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                    <text>Dropping the Salvation Fantasy
From the series: Spiritual Life – Religion Re-Imagined
Text: Psalm 131; John 3:1-10
Richard A. Rhem
Christ Community Church
Spring Lake, Michigan
July 14, 2002
Transcription of the spoken sermon
I begin this morning a brief series of messages on the spiritual life—re-imagining
religion. The connection between the two is this: they are not the same, but
religion provides the form and the structure for the expression of one’s spiritual
life. I believe it is good to think about that and perhaps to make an attempt to reimagine that religion, because religious forms and structures can aid and abet the
expression of our spiritual life, or hinder and block, causing the spirit to wither.
And so, from time to time, it is good to ask ourselves about our religious practice,
our religious experience, the structures and the forms that we utilize in the
expression of our spiritual life.
Thomas Moore’s book The Soul’s Religion was a trigger for this discussion. Some
years ago, Moore wrote The Care of the Soul, which impressed me a great deal. I
like this book, too, not so much that I intend to share what he speaks of there, but
I like the format. He speaks autobiographically. And as I was reading his story, I
was reminded of my story and the fact that there is a great similarity in that he
was deeply rooted in the Roman Catholic tradition, coming to the point of
ordination to the priesthood when he left the Church. Deeply traditioned as he
was, he has never been able to get it out of his soul, nor does he want to. But with
its form and structure, the institution can no longer be the vehicle by which he
can express the spirituality of his life.
As I thought about his autobiographical expression, I began to think about mine.
I have spoken for a long time about being in the springtime of my senility, but I
have spoken about it so long that I suppose I should confess that I am well into
the summer of it now. So rather than trying to remember these things, I decided
to make a list. I identified eight transformations in my own pilgrimage, my own
experience, and I share them with you, not because you are so interested in mine,
but because as I do this, perhaps I can do for you what Thomas Moore did for
me—cause you to think, “Where have I been? Where have I moved? Where have I
come to and where am I going?”
Well, this is my story; this is my list.
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I have come from a conservative orthodoxy to a liberal openness.
I have moved from a supernatural theism to a religious naturalism.
I have moved from religion as verifiable truth to religion as experience of
the sacred dimension of all reality.
I have moved from religion’s dogma to religion as poetry, from religion as
institution to religion as community, from religion as consisting of
absolute truth to religion as emerging experience, from Christianity as
exclusive to Christianity as one magnificent window opening on the holy
and the sacred.
And finally, I have moved from religion as salvation from damnation to
religion as celebration of life.
That is quite a journey. I have made a slight course adjustment, some might say
180 degrees, and I would have to agree. Most people who have gone through that
kind of transformation, most Christian leaders or religious leaders, I should say,
have simply left the institution. They have left the institution probably as an
expression of honesty and their own integrity, no longer able to profess, to affirm
the institution’s forms and structure and creedal statements. They simply have
left the institution as it was. And, of course, there are others who have been
invited to leave the institution because their views were judged to be heretical.
I have been very fortunate, and I think my experience has been a rather rare
experience, in that I have been able to continue the spiritual quest, to continue to
wrestle and struggle with the faith within a community because you have joined
with me. You have gone with me on this journey, some of you kicking and
screaming all the way. Some of you were relieved because you were already there
before I was. And some of you, frankly, were just sort of watching from the
sidelines, not really engaged.
Whatever the case, I have had the rare privilege of being out of the institution,
but not out of a community that is a continuing spiritual community on a
journey, on a spiritual quest. Thank God for that, because I’d starve otherwise. I
am of no practical good for anything else. But more than that, it is the passion of
my life to create a community for that narrow niche of people who have gone
through the same kind of transformation that I have and have doggedly refused
just to throw in the towel and to give up on the spiritual life. And so, it is with a
great deal of gratitude that I recognize, having gone through such a
transformation, that there still is a community in which we can engage together
on the spiritual quest with a freedom to re-imagine religion and to bring our
understanding of religion more into conformity with our general human
experience.
This is a wonderful time to be doing this, because we are in a time between the
times. Maybe that is always true to some extent, but it certainly is true in this
period of history in which we are living. This period has been going on for some

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time. I don’t know when something will gel out in the future, but we are in a time
between the times.
Those who study the philosophical development and religious theological
development, the history of ideas, put the past into periods. They will speak of the
ancient world and then perhaps the medieval world, and that medieval world
included the Reformation world in which my particular brand of faith was honed.
From there we have modernity, the last three and a half centuries, the modern
period. We have spoken of that many times, characterizing it as the rise of critical
thinking, the empirical method of verification spurring the development of all the
natural sciences. It included the nineteenth century with the rise of historical
consciousness and the sense of everything developing, the whole evolutionary
cosmic emerging drama. And modernity presented a tremendous challenge to the
old orthodoxy, to the age of faith, so that we are now at a time between the times.
Modernity has been around long enough. Today there are those who speak of
post-modernity, but that’s a story I won’t get into. Let me simply say that
modernity has been around long enough so that its challenge has produced a
reaction in our world today, a reaction we speak of as Fundamentalism.
Fundamentalism is a reaction to the threat to religious forms and structures and
creedal statements that is brought on by critical rationality and by scientific
discovery of the nature of reality, of historical development, and so on. The
Fundamentalist is one who reacts against that because he or she feels threatened,
because a religious community is really a cultural, linguistic community. We have
our own language, our own vocabulary, our own forms, our own structures, and
our own rituals. As long as we operate in that little circle, we are comfortable. It
triggers meaning for us. Baptism, the Lord’s Supper, the scripture readings, the
prayers and hymns, all trigger meaning. A certain vocabulary is used, a certain
phraseology, and that community is comfortable with it.
Now when you begin to analyze all of this, take it apart, it becomes scary. Our
meaning and our life are tied up in that cultural linguistic complex of things.
When that begins to be threatened, the Fundamentalist is born. (Someone has
defined the Fundamentalist as one who reiterates yesterday’s answers to today’s
questions.) Religious experience becomes more and more disconnected from
everyday experience, because out in the world of business, the world of industry,
the world of the arts, philosophy, or education, life goes on. New knowledge
brings new methods, new breakthroughs, new technologies, and we enter into
that whether we are Fundamentalists or not.
Now if I am a Fundamentalist I fly in jets, access the Internet, and invest in
stocks and bonds. There is no way my religious community and commitments are
going to keep me from being part of the broader cultural scene. But my religious
experience, in that case, becomes more and more disconnected from the broader
world; it becomes a compartment of my life rather than watering the whole flow
of my life. And so the Fundamentalist reaction is a recognition that we are in a

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time between the times; the old is dying, and the new is too frightening to
consider.
I did my devotions yesterday with the Grand Rapids Press as I always do on
Saturday morning, in order to find some fodder for my sermon or something to
get excited or angry about, and I’m usually successful. I am thinking about all of
this and then I read this big article about how the mainline denominations, all of
them, have commissioned a survey about how to grow again. This is really a
survey about how to survive, because they all know they are dying, having all
experienced significant membership loss. I could have told them what they found
out with a lot less cost.
The survey revealed that churches need leaders who are innovative and creative
and who are persistent in their purpose. They decided they can no longer build
churches simply for “waspy” folks like us. They have to go after racial groups,
ethnic and minority groups, and so forth. Well, I wonder why, when there are still
enough waspy folks around. The crisis is that they are asking the wrong question.
Why are people dropping out? Why are there thousands fewer church members
today than there were ten years ago? Is the issue Church survival? Is it to try to
figure out how you can hold on, hang on? Or ought the institutional forms be so
open, flexible, fluid and free that they can shape themselves around our changing
lives?
On the back page of the same article was a story about the Missouri Synod
Lutheran pastor who participated in Rudy Guiliani’s request to have a prayer
service in Yankee Stadium after September 11. Do you remember the story?
Yankee Stadium was full and there was a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim and a Hindu,
and they had a service in which they sang “God Bless America” and prayers were
offered for the nation. The Lutheran pastor who participated as a Christian is
about to be ousted from the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church because his
participation in that service might have given the impression that there are other
gods or other ways to God.
That kind of thing is really atrocious, isn’t it? If you are thoughtful, if you are
sensitive at all, you would say such an institution really deserves to die because it
is mindful of its own life, its own particularity with a kind of absolutist
exclusivism that a thoughtful, sensitive, intelligent person could not honestly
affirm in our world, in our day.
The old institutional forms are dying. We are in a time between the times when
the old is dying. I don’t know how long it will take. Maybe there will be another
blush of triumph and another hundred years or so, but the old institutional forms
are dying.
The other reaction to the whole movement of modernity is one of modern
atheism or agnosticism or just simply the writing off of the spiritual life as though

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one was an animal. The extreme expression of that is nihilism, that there is no
meaning, nothing means anything. The nihilist would simply say that this whole
cosmic drama is just a chance accident unwinding who knows where, and
certainly with no purpose, with no meaning whatsoever. And then there are
hordes of our contemporaries who, without consciously saying, “I am a nihilist,”
are living a nihilist existence, barren of any kind of transcendent dimension in
their life.
T.S. Eliot wrote a poem, “The Waste Land,” his poetic commentary on modernity,
in which he speaks about the great Western religious symbols as a “heap of
broken images.” That’s where it is for a lot of people. With the eruption of critical
thinking and the scientific method and the whole rise of modernity, the tragedy
was that religious people were threatened and so they fought it. Many in the
scientific community insisted that what they were dealing with was all there was,
and there was a great deal of hubris on that side. And so many who were
thoughtful and intelligent, simply dropped out. In the West, the intellectual elite
left institutional religion, although they have continued in some kind of personal
spiritual pilgrimage.
We are in the time between the times when on the one hand there is a shrill
Fundamentalism that is afraid because it is losing its grip, and on the other a
barren spirituality that lives just a little bit above an animal existence. So it is a
wonderful time to be thinking about this.
Where do we go? Well, I suggest in the title that we drop the salvation fantasy.
Just drop the salvation fantasy. What do I mean by the salvation fantasy? I mean
that God is a creator who created humankind perfectly, that humankind was
tested and failed the test, came under the curse of God’s wrath and stands in
threat of eternal damnation. Then God provided in Jesus Christ the atoning
death, taking our sin and guilt, therefore offering forgiveness for those who
repent and believe, assuring them of heaven.
That is the story; that is the myth. I don’t care whether you take the lilting liturgy
of the Anglican community or the passionate address of evangelist Billy Graham
or the rumblings of television evangelist Jerry Falwell. Down deep that is the
story. That is the myth. That is what is being talked about. It may be talked about
in sophisticated tones or it may be talked about in down and dirty, blunt
language.
I am suggesting that we ought simply to give it up. Give up the idea that God
created a creature, put it to the test, and then failing the test, will damn it unless
there is repentance and acceptance of Christ’s atoning death. That picture of God
makes God a monster and the picture of humankind is degrading. We are not
God-damned creatures. We are animals emerging out of the jungle with all of the
survival instincts clinging to us. But we are something more. Something within us
lifts up our eyes and lifts up our hearts and beckons us beyond where we are.

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Something tells us that what we see is not all there is. We are magnificent
creatures.
Are we lost? O, my God, we’re lost. Of course we are lost. We are trying to find
our way. That is really what the whole religious quest is all about, the spiritual
quest; trying to find our way. Who are we, after all? It is not as though God is
angry with us, alienated from us. We’re just simply lost.
Salvation? Of course. That word has its root in salve, meaning “healing”. Do we
need salvation? Of course we need salvation. We are a blind and lost people,
barren in our spiritual life and confused and disoriented. Do we need help? Dear
God, we need help. But that is exactly what the invitation is from the God who
would never abandon us, the God who embraces us, the God who calls us into a
web of meaning. God is not “out there” somewhere, but that sacred and holy
dimension which is in us and beyond us, which binds us together in a web of
meaning and relationship.
You might be surprised that a sermon on dropping the salvation fantasy should
have in its text the words “born again.” But I think of old Nicodemus. I suppose
that the author of the fourth Gospel was trying to bring Nicodemus to the
attention of the Jews who were trying to continue in Judaism without following
Jesus: “Look, one of your own leaders followed Jesus. He is a model, an example
for all of you.” Old Nicodemus, a rabbi, a member of the Sanhedrin, a leader of
the Jewish people, a representative of the best of Judaism, the best of Israel,
came to Jesus one night to say, “What in the world is going on? Who are you?
Who am I? What’s up?” And Jesus said, “You have to be born again.” Or born
from above, or born spiritually.
It is not so different from what I’ve experienced. I’ve been “born again.” I’ve seen
things that I looked at forever and never saw before. I’ve had fresh spiritual
insight, was able to move out of the cramped and crimped straitjacket of original
orthodoxy that claimed to be the exclusive truth and into the spacious grace of
inquiry, of openness, and freedom. Religion needs to be re-imagined so that one
like Nicodemus who was deeply rooted in the establishment could come and be
confounded by the statement that he had to be born again. Born again not as
Jimmy Carter popularized it, not as the television evangelists harangue us about
it, but born again with eyes to see and ears to hear, with a fresh awareness of new
openness, and with a hunger and a thirst and an ongoing spiritual quest that is
never done, but always inviting us to something more and something beautiful.
Did you hear that marvelous statement of Psalm 131? “O Lord, my heart is not
lifted up, my eyes are not raised too high. I do not occupy myself with things too
great and too marvelous for me, but I have calmed and quieted my soul like a
weaned child with its mother.” There is a certain humility and rest and trust and
peace, knowing that we are woven together in the bundle of life which consists of

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beautiful relationships and deep and profound meaning that causes us to see the
wonder and the miracle, the glory and the joy of life, which is a gift full of grace.
Last evening I sat on the bluff and watched the sunset and in that magnificent
western sky illumined by the globe, the sun poured its radiance across the waters
and there was a path of yellow gold. Then I went up into the loft and continued to
work as the evening sky emerged. When I looked out the window later, I saw the
silver crescent of a moon next to the evening star and noticed on the lake that the
yellow gold path had become a silver path of moonlight, and I said, “O, my God.”
And it is enough.

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                    <text>The Presence of God: Intelligence and Attention
Pentecost XIII
I Kings 19:1-14
Richard A. Rhem
Christ Community Church
Spring Lake, Michigan
August 26, 2001
Transcription of the spoken sermon

Gary Eberle, in The Geography of Nowhere, commenting on the passing of the
age of faith, uses a marvelous poem by Philip Larkin, an English poet. Eberle
comments,
In "Church Going," Larkin imagines that someday Christian churches will
fall into disuse and ruin as had Stonehenge and the Acropolis. Perhaps
scholars will come with their notepads, or the superstitious will come at
night to perform half-remembered magic. He sees the old church
becoming:
A shape less recognisable each week,
A purpose more obscure. I wonder who
Will be the last, the very last, to seek
This place for what it was...
And yet, he notes one thing about this place will not pass away - the inner
spiritual need and hunger of the beings who built it in the first place.
A serious house on serious earth it is,
In whose blest air all our compulsions meet,
Are recognised, and robed as destinies.
And that much never can be obsolete.
Since someone will forever be surprising
A hunger in himself to be more serious.
And gravitating with it to this ground,
Which, he once heard, was proper to grow wise in.
If only that so many dead lie round.
Sometimes it happens as it happened to Elijah. It's no accident that chapter 19
follows chapter 18 and the story of Israel's history recorded in I Kings. Chapter 18
is that story of the duel between Elijah, the prophet of Yahweh, and the prophets

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of Baal, introduced by Queen Jezebel, the foreign royalty who had brought
another worship and cult into the very heart of Israel. Do you remember that
story of the prophets of Baal in a contest with Elijah? They pray for their gods to
consume the sacrifice and the heavens are brass and there is no response. Then,
Elijah, as the sacrifice is drowned in water, calls upon the name of the God of
Israel, and fire consumes the sacrifice. What a mountaintop experience, literally.
As is often the case after such spiritual exhilaration, there set in upon Elijah a
deep depression, for he was struggling in a very difficult time in the life of Israel.
It was not an easy time to be a prophet of God, and he fled to Mount Horeb or
Sinai, the mountain of Moses and the encounter of God with Israel in the Exodus
experience. God is not altogether sympathetic with this prophet. He says, "What
are you doing here, Elijah?" And Elijah pours out his self-pity as though he and
he alone is left faithful to God. And then, God says, "Stand in the mouth of the
cave," after which Elijah experiences dramatic effects in nature, an earthquake,
wind and fire. But, God is not in any of these dramatic displays, but rather, in the
sound of sheer silence.
Richard Elliott Friedman, commenting on that passage, notes that that is the
point of transition in Israel's experience of God. That experience is the last time it
is recorded, "And God said ..." Early on in the scripture story of Israel, God is
speaking all the time and acting all the time, but now the sound of sheer silence is
a signal that theophany is over and, along with that, is increasing responsibility
on the part of humanity to carry on the story. There was a shift, and the writers
who put the story together were obviously signaling that shift and that
juxtaposition of Carmel and Sinai and silence.
The scriptures signal those cultural shifts in the understanding of God and of
reality and of all things that pertain to our human experience, and we know those
cultural shifts, as well. In our own Christian tradition, there was a move in those
early centuries from classical Greek and Roman culture to a culture that, over a
few centuries, became totally shaped by the Christian vision, finding its apex in
that high Medieval period, only to be shifted in the Renaissance to a focus from
heaven to earth. And after the detour of the 16th century Reformation, there was
the Age of Reason and the Enlightenment and the whole Modern period, and that
Modern period, of which we are the heirs, saw the rise of secularism and, to large
extent, the questioning of God and the undercutting of that faith tradition which
had built cathedrals.
Gary Eberle, speaking about our own present Post-Modem situation, points to
the cathedral as the symbol of the Modern period, and, as a matter of fact, how
the cathedrals of Europe particularly have become more tourist stations than
places of worship.
Those of you who have gone on tour with me know that they are always ABC
tours, "another bloody cathedral." So, I have been guilty of turning them into
tourist places, but not simply tourist places, for we have often stopped and

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worshiped in those holy places. Nancy will never forgive me for one Sunday when
the two of us were alone in Rome and we spent five hours in St. Peter's, if you can
believe it.
It is not as though that holy space does not continue to speak, but there is no
question that the cathedral is a monument to the faith of an earlier age and, in
modernity, the faith that built the cathedrals has been seriously challenged and in
many ways undercut. For the thing that marks the modern age is the rise of
critical thinking and the rejection of all forms of authoritarianism, whether it be
the authoritarian claim of the Church as institution, or of the tradition as in
Eastern Orthodoxy, or of the Bible, as in Protestantism. The thing that marked
modernity was that rise of critical thinking, the scientific method, the empirical
method of investigation, no longer taking some word from prelate or scriptures
or tradition as authoritative, but rather going out and looking at the world,
experimenting, probing, investigating, accepting nothing on some authoritative
word, but with critical rationality evaluating the evidence. That is what has
marked modernity. In large measure, the Modern movement has been a
movement very, very seriously weakening the Christian Church.
I sat a couple of weeks ago with the New Testament professor that I studied
under in Leiden back in the 60s. He was in the area and called, and I picked him
up and we shared a breakfast together, and we talked about the European
situation today. For example, in England just 6% of the people go to worship in
that land that has these magnificent cathedrals and this grand Anglican tradition.
We talked about the Netherlands where he still lives and where I had so many
wonderful experiences. I looked across the table and I said to him, "How long can
it last?" He said, "Jesus came, in my understanding, not to build the church, but
to proclaim the kingdom."
I like that, because what he was saying is what the poet Larkin is saying, that
institutions, forms and structures may flourish and flounder. They may rise and
pass away. But, somehow or other, there is that within the depths of the human
being that will seek out a place like this, a serious place, on serious ground,
because no matter how secular, no matter how lacking in any kind of observance,
there will now and again, here and there, rise up that which will surprise that
hunger and that yearning for the presence of God, for that which is sacred and
holy, for that dimension that always accompanies our ordinary human
experience, suggesting something more, not a supernatural being "out there" that
runs the universe.
I came across the other day a sermon of a year ago when, out in front of our
house, a child was drowned in the waves of Lake Michigan, and I remember
preaching that Sunday on the pitiless universe. God does not interrupt the rip
tide or the raging surf, and God plays no favorites. That understanding of God, if
we would be honest, has been undercut by everything that we know, thanks to the
natural sciences and the investigation of all of those respective disciplines of

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human learning. But, does that mean, because that image of God that has marked
our tradition in the past, does that mean, then, that God is dead?
Richard Elliott Friedman, who comments on the Isaiah experience in his book,
The Hidden Face of God, uses Nietzsche as the prophetic voice of the modern,
Nietzsche who said, "God is dead." Nietzsche said it with not any sense of
triumphalism. Nietzsche said it in anguish because he said, "God is dead and we
have killed God." The modern with all of the wonder and all of the amazement,
and all of the fruitfulness that has come to us, to the exercise of critical rationality
and the empirical method - all of the wonders of mathematical formulas that
have tied our earth into a network of communication creating the possibility of a
global community - all of that, all of that without the sense of the presence of God
becomes empty and hollow and now and again, here and there, we will be
surprised by a hunger because we have been created with a God-shaped hole in
our soul.
And so, we have entered into a period of time which is called the Post-Modem
period. The Post-Modem period into which we have entered and the
periodization of cultural shifts is very untidy, but basically this 20th century has
come to see the limitations of human rationality. And so, when medievalism
broke apart and authoritarianism was undercut, we entered into the Modern
period, and there was a sharp break. When modernity comes to understand its
limits, we have called it Post-Modernity, which means it is after the modern. It is
not a rejection of the modern, for we had better never reject all of the fruitfulness
that has come from critical thinking, from critical rationality, from the use of
intelligence, from the mind that probes and investigates. We cannot go back to
some authoritarian claim that hears voices from heaven. The exercise of critical
intelligence is a continuing and ongoing dimension of the Post-Modem period.
But, Post-Modernism has come to be a time in which it is more and more being
recognized that intelligence, thinking which we value so highly here, is not
enough. Intelligence and attention, or I could call it awareness. Or, I could call it
simply an openness to that which is beyond the limits of our minds to grapple
and grasp, an openness to that which is sacred and holy and which permeates the
whole of reality so that I would speak of God not as some supernatural being "out
there," beyond creation, intervening and tinkering and arranging here and there,
arbitrarily and capriciously, but rather the God of whom I would speak naturally
as the Soul of the universe, as the creative Spirit that now and again rises into our
conscious attention or awareness, taking the time consciously and intentionally
to open our lives to that dimension that cannot finally be captured in a syllogism
or a mathematical formula or a test-tube, to that dimension that demands a poem
or a painting, a sunset or a starry heaven, a gathering with friends in a common
search for the touch of God of which Peter spoke earlier, brushed with angels'
wings, washed by grace.
How?

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Who can tell?
When?
Who could predict?
But awareness that, as I live my ordinary days, what I can see and touch and
handle is permeated with something that is always beyond my grasp, that alwayspresent to the soul that seeks and searches and is open, the presence of God. Not
in spite of my mind, my intelligence, my probing, my serious thinking, but, when
all of that is done, an attention to a reality that once was so beautifully expressed
in the stone of a cathedral, but continues here and now to be expressed in a
variety of ways.
Mies van derRohe, one of the great architects of the 20th century, who with Frank
Lloyd Wright and a couple of others, were the pioneers of the clean lines and
objectivity and efficiency of architectural form, was asked shortly before he died,
"If you could build what you have never been able to build, what would you
build?" (I should note here that post-modernism came to expression first in
architecture.) This leading modem architect of form and structure that has
marked the city and the skyscraper, this one said shortly before he died, "If I
could build what I have never been able to build, I would build a cathedral."
Indeed.
References:
Richard Elliott Friedman. The Hidden Face of God. New York: HarperCollins
Publishers, 1995.
“Church Going,” by Philip Larkin, in The Geography of Nowhere: Finding
Oneself in the Postmodern World. Sheed and Ward, 1995.

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                <text>A sermon given by Richard A. Rhem (Dick) on August 26, 2001 entitled "The Presence of God: Intelligence and Attention", on the occasion of Pentecost XIII, at Christ Community Church, Spring Lake, MI. Scripture references: I Kings 19:1-14.</text>
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