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                    <text>Brockway, Lyle
Grand Valley State University
Veterans History Project Interview
Name of War: World War II
Interviewee’s Name: Lyle Brockway
Length of Interview: (1:28:47)
Interviewed by: Wallace Erichsen
Transcribed by: Maluhia Buhlman
Interviewer: “Today is August the 7th, 2019 and we are at Clark home on Franklin, we’ll
be interviewing Lyle Jean Brockway. Lyle was born April 15, 1924 at Vicksburg, Michigan,
he served in World War II in the U.S Army Air Corps as a B-17 pilot. Lyle lives at the
Clark home on Franklin, his address is 1551 Franklin Street Southeast, room 4060 or 4-06-0 Grand Rapids Michigan, 49506. (1:10) The recording is being made at the Clark home,
this interview is part of the Veterans History Project at the library of Congress and is being
also done in the auspices of the history department at Grand Valley State University,
Allendale, Michigan and I as the interviewer my name is Wallace Erichsen and I’m a
volunteer interviewer with the history department at Grand Valley State University. Well,
can you give us your full name?”

Lyle Jean Brockway, 4-15-24.
Interviewer: “And your place of birth?”

Near Vicksburg, Michigan.
Interviewer: “Okay, and how do you spell your last name?”

Capital B-r-o-c-k-w-a-y.
Interviewer: “Very good, thank you. Let me ask you, where did you grow up or where did
you go to high school, that sort of thing?”

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I grew up in rural Vicksburg, various farm settings and I went to Vicksburg High School, before
that I went to a one room school Brady Number Five.
Interviewer: “In Vicksburg also?”

Near Vicksburg.
Interviewer: “Did it have a town?”

Yes, Vicksburg is a town.
Interviewer: “But where the public school was where you went to school.”
No, it was out in the country it’s– (3:03)
Interviewer: “I see, okay.”

And you walked.
Interviewer: “No buses?”
No buses, no– Dad didn’t have an extra car, you walked.
Interviewer: “What did your father do?”

He done various things, repair, carpentry, built a couple cabins, worked for a railroad
manufacturing company, worked in a grain mill, and he worked for Lee Paper Company for a
while. So he done various things, the greatest thing was about 1929 or 30 they rejoiced because
he got a job 25 cents an hour driving truck for the Kalamazoo County Road Commission.

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Interviewer: “And I assume he stayed with the job for a while.”

Yeah, several years.
Interviewer: “How many brothers and sisters did you have?”

I had four sisters and one brother, three sisters deceased, one brother deceased.
Interviewer: “Where were you in the birth order then?”

I was number four, I had three older sisters then I came along then I had a younger brother three
and a half years younger than my sister is ten years younger.
Interviewer: “I see. When did you graduate from high school then?”
It’d be May for ‘4– (4:59)
Interviewer: “Again when did you graduate from high school in?”

I graduated in May of 1942.
Interviewer: “Okay, what did you do after high school?”

Naturally we lived on a farm and I had a little scholarship to Michigan State, $50 a quarter.
Interviewer: “So you went to East Lansing then.”

East Lansing.
Interviewer: “Right, do you remember what the name of Michigan State was at that time?”

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Not particularly, it was always Michigan State to me.
Interviewer: “Okay, what did you study?”

Agriculture.
Interviewer: “Okay, and how long were you there at Michigan State?”

How old?
Interviewer: “How long, when did you attend?”

Well I started in the fall and during the fall season President Hannah promised we would get the
chance to take the written test if we want to get in the Air Force and I, farm kid, took the test,
passed it, a couple months later he raised to have us go down to Mount Clemens for a physical,
passed that. (6:29) I took the term exams for the fall, I had enlisted for the next term but I went
in the service.
Interviewer: “Was it mandatory that you go in, were you drafted into the service at that
point?”
No, in the process you start Michigan State’s ROTC then I enlisted reserves unassigned and then
somehow I passed these tests for the Air Force and we went to went off.
Interviewer: “So that ended your schooling then anyway at the end of the fall term was the
end of your schooling at Michigan State.”

Basically yes, right.
Interviewer: “Okay.”

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After Christmas I had to report to 156 Van Buren Street, Chicago.
Interviewer: “So that started your active duty then with the–”
That’s where I started right there.
Interviewer: “Okay, where did you go for basic training then?”
Well it’s on one of those sheets but the train I got on in Chicago that night, troop train so we
went over to the Mississippi and went alongside that and went down to Biloxi.
Interviewer: “Okay, and that’s where you spent several months I’m assuming at basic
training?”

Few weeks. (8:12)
Interviewer: “Just a few weeks?”

Yes.
Interviewer: “I see, what do you remember about your drill instructors?”
Well you’re just–
Interviewer: “Anything in particular?”

Nothing in particular, I started and your drilling is ROTC so I had some elementary, rudimentary
things picked up from ROTC.
Interviewer: “So the training continued on basically from–”

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Yes.
Interviewer: “Your initial ROTC instruction.”
That’s one– The first time I remember fainting, you get into the service they got to give you your
shots and they don’t care they might be giving you your shot in the left arm and right arm at the
same time and it was right after lunch, we went out for drill and got lined up and all at once I
fainted and went down in a pile and they said “You better go back and lay in your cot in the
barracks and we’ll be back for supper, so that’s the first time, I fainted from all the shots.
Interviewer: “It probably was fairly hot down there in Mississippi also right?”
Well it wasn’t bad, see that was right in early January probably or late December.
Interviewer: “Let me backup a little here Lyle, why did you join the ROTC at Michigan
State?” (9:54)
Because I was a boy and that’s required.
Interviewer: “It was at that time?”

Yes.
Interviewer: “I see, so you really didn’t have much choice in that then right?”
That’s right, no choice [unintelligible]
Interviewer: “What did– Can you tell me about any of your experiences in– Your
experiences in basic training, anything in particular that stands on your mind? Is
something difficult or interesting?”

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Nothing, nothing in Biloxi there was just routine, get your shots, get your physical, get your–
From your civvies into Army uniform and get ready to go and we went to classification
Birmingham I think. The only thing outstanding there was they had what they called– Some trail,
it was a physical education thing, a mile and six or seven tenths and you had to jog that or run it
or trot it, whatever you want to call it pace.
Interviewer: “Was that with your–”

We were in the winter time so we got by good but later on two or three people were overcome
with exhaustion and one of them died so they altered their training, outlawed that long hot trail.
Interviewer: “It was a little bit more than a mile in length then is that right?”

Yes.
Interviewer: “So after Biloxi you went to Birmingham for classification, now does that
mean you got your military special at that point or what do they do in Birmingham?”
(12:12)

It kind of weeded you out, whether you was gonna be a rifleman or a pilot, navigator,
bombardier.
Interviewer: “So you really didn’t have your military specialty until you got there.”

Oh no.
Interviewer: “I see, how did they determine that you would be in the Army Air Corps or as
a pilot?”

Well you, from this classification, you just progressed on and I think you progressed on until you
failed, then you went back to something else. I mean you had your goal–

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Interviewer: “What were you doing though as far as you know proceeding to the next
goal?”
Nothing special just you’re active and you’re doing the physical training and there’s no speciality
yet.
Interviewer: “Was it like basic training at the same time physical and–”

Yeah, basic training.
Interviewer: “Okay, how long were you in Birmingham?”

Two or three months.
Interviewer: “Okay, so several weeks in Biloxi and then–” (13:33)
About same length of time, you’d go there and you’d serve block things and then you’d move
on.
Interviewer: “Okay, so before you left Birmingham you knew that you would be a pilot, is
that right?”

No you kept going, in Birmingham you went to– Well I went to a waiting station, Elon College,
North Carolina that was just a holding tank because the corps was filled ahead so that you just
done your basic things, little homework and things like that.
Interviewer: “Where was this in North Carolina?”

Elon College.

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Interviewer: “Okay, again that was kind of an extension of the classification training.”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “Okay.”

And then I think we went to Nashville.
Interviewer: “Okay, again as part of classification [unintelligible]”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “Nashville, Tennessee. After Nashville where did you go then Lyle?”
I don’t know, from Nashville I assume maybe we went right to Avon Park, Florida. (15:10)
Interviewer: “Okay, was that for flight training there?”

Started our flight training, PT-17 Stearman, same one that President– Flew– What the heck was
his name? Bush! Was it Bush that got shot down over in the islands? Same type of plane, that’s
what we–
Interviewer: “The first President Bush?”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “George Bush? How long were you there doing–”
Basic training I’d say three months.
Interviewer: “Okay, basic flight school then right?”

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You learned the basic things, take offs, landings, turns, navigate little– Navigation, most basic
maneuvers.
Interviewer: “Did you have any prior flight training at all, some home training?”
Negative, I’d never stepped in an airplane before.
Interviewer: “I see, did you start with like the Piper Cub or–”

The Stearman.
Interviewer: “The Stearman, that was the first–”

First one. (16:33)
Interviewer: “First plane you learned in then, okay.”

That picture shows the five guys that are assigned to Jefferies, he was a civilian pilot and he was
to train us in it.
Interviewer: “We’ll stop here to– So really again the first plane you flew was the
Stearman.”

The Stearman, right.
Interviewer: “And so like you mentioned you did maneuvers and take offs and landings–”

Yeah I just–
Interviewer: “In that airplane. Did you progress to any other airplane?”

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Not there, no.
Interviewer: “Not at Avon Park.”

When you graduated from basic training you went to Macon, Georgia, we did.
Interviewer: “Now were you commissioned at that point?”

Pardon me?
Interviewer: “Were you commissioned, did you receive your commission then at Avon
Park? Commission is–”

No, you just went there and if you graduated from there you get primary basic training and you
was there you’d get variable speed propellers and flaps and wheels up and down, things like that.
(17:54)
Interviewer: “That was at Avon Park also?”
No, no, no that’s Macon, Georgia.
Interviewer: “Macon, Georgia okay. What rank were you at that point then?”

Just a cadet.
Interviewer: “Okay, okay what type of aircraft were you flying at Macon was it AT-6 or
still the Stearman?”

Yeah BT-13 I think, or did we use that number before, I forgot those numbers years past.

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Interviewer: “How long were you in Macon Georgia then Lyle?”
Oh I’d say three months, etc.
Interviewer: “Okay, and again you’re still training in single engine planes at that point?
The single engine airplane?”

Single engine, right.
Interviewer: “Okay, the BT-13 and also the Stearman too at all?”

No, the Stearmans are strictly Avon Park.
Interviewer: “You had graduated from that, okay. Did you have instructors flying with you
on each of your missions– Or each of your training missions?”

For just a period of time, he would fly with you until you was familiar with the aircraft and then–
And the navigation and the rigamarole in the area and then he had you maybe go with another
cadet. (19:26) Give you a little cross country from this little town to that little town to another
town and back and land and–
Interviewer: “So you’d have some solo time to just practice on your own or with another
cadet.”
You’d have flight training say in the morning and you’d have ground school in the afternoon and
maybe next week you’d reverse it, you’d be in the morning and they’d be in the afternoon.
Interviewer: “So that way they’d get– You would have enough aircraft to go around if they
split you up to ground school and in flight training.”

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And maybe there’d be four people signed to that instructor and he’d take one up and fly with him
for a while and come and land and you knew they was coming in you would get your parachute
and get out there ready to train– Change so there was no lost motion.
Interviewer: “Did you also fly the AT-10 at Macon, Georgia?”

No, no, no.
Interviewer: “That was later?”

Yes, you got to go to advance to go to AT-10s. AT-10 is twin engine, twin engine advanced.
Interviewer: “Okay, where did you go after Macon, Georgia then?”

Columbus, Mississippi. (20:59)
Interviewer: “Columbus, okay.”

AT-10s.
Interviewer: “That was a two person crew, a pilot and co-pilot with that aircraft?”
Right, that’s what we did, yes.
Interviewer: “And you also would have an instructor–”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “I’m assuming with you. Okay, how long were you in Columbus?”

Oh nine weeks, three months, whatever it took there to get through there.

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Interviewer: “Okay, and again you were still an aviation cadet at that point, is that right?”
That’s where– When I graduated from AT-10s I got my commission there on the 15th of April,
19–
Interviewer: “At age 20, on your 20th birthday is that right?”

On my 20th birthday.
Interviewer: “Okay so you’re commissioned as a 2nd lieutenant on your 20th birthday,
April 15th, 1944.

Correct. (22:07)
Interviewer: “We gotta back up chronologically a little bit here Lyle, ask you about, I think
what they call the civilian pilot training course where civilians were taught at local flight
schools and flying a J-3 cub, you know a smaller single engine airplane, but you did have
that sort of training at all?”

Negative, nothing.
Interviewer: “Nothing of that–”

The Stearman, to the AT-10, to the– No it was the Stearman to the BT-13.
Interviewer: “BT-13”

To the AT-10.

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Interviewer: “AT-10. Okay, do you remember any of your instructors, your flight
instructors at any point along your flight training?”

I just have the picture of the one, of Jeffries of the Stearman of basic.
Interviewer: “Okay, well we’ll get to that later, maybe make a recording of that. Okay,
after commissioning, where did you go?”

I had three or four days to get to Pyote, Texas.
Interviewer: “Okay, now were you going to like an Army air field there or Army Air Corps
field Plano?”
It’s a regular base, they were just short of being ready to go overseas and their copilot went in the
hospital. Well they can’t hold up nine guys so here’s a good green cadet graduated, let’s get him.
We went there– (23:54)
Interviewer: “So you joined an existing crew then right?”

Right.
Interviewer: “Yeah, was there actually a name for the air base there at Plano?”

Pyote?
Interviewer: “Just Plano, Plano Air Base right?”

Well they called it the capital– Rattlesnake capital of the Air Force now.
Interviewer: “Is there an Air Force base there now in Plano?”

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Yes, yes that’s where I received my extensive training as a co-pilot.
Interviewer: “Okay.”

We– The second or third day I was there we were assigned to take a Major Gibson who had just
completed his 25 missions, he wanted a ride back to Fort Worth. So we were the ones that was
designated to take him back to Fort Worth.
Interviewer: “Now was this in a B-17?”

Yes, and just a few minutes after our take off and headed for Fort Worth and altitude and
everything, he says to the regular pilot you better let him in there and all he’s gotta do is keep
this thing on a heading and altitude and so I got my first experience of the wheel of a B-17.
Interviewer: “So you were actually a pilot flying then with a major on board right?”
(25:35)

Right, and then as we approached Fort Worth he told me to get out of the seat and he took over
the pilot seat and our ordinary pilot took over the co-pilot’s seat, we landed, and I don’t think we
even stopped our engines. Major Gibson got out with his duffle bag, whatever he had, and we
were cleared to go back to Pyote and we took off and went to Pyote. Now I’m a full fledged
trained co-pilot, why that story is relevant is Wally’s movie and everything and the extensive
training a co-pilot gets, makes me chuckle.
Interviewer: “With just one flight, one landing right?”

Well take off and part way to keep our own altitude and–
Interviewer: “Sure.”

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Sure it’s heading, got out of there and when we took of from Fort Worth I was in the co-pilot
seat, if anything had happened to the pilot I’d have been–
Interviewer: “You were in charge, would’ve been in charge. So with that one flight from
Plano to Fort Worth and back you were fully qualified.”
That’s what they said.
Interviewer: “Okay.”

Fortunately I never had the occasion to put that expertise to use.
Interviewer: “Well at Plano, Texas then Lyle did you do other calibration training?”
That’s what we did in Pyote, flew around brand new aircraft, flew it around and checked the
various instruments so if they were a problem the flight crew could get them changed. (27:40)
Interviewer: “Make sure they also check fuel consumption.”

Well we saved fuel consumption because we were going from Pyote to Kearney, Nebraska.
Brand new B-17 and we checked out all the instruments there and they said, you know, check
out your gas consumption flying from Kearney, Nebraska to Manchester, New Hampshire to see
if one plane– One engine gobbles up more gas than the rest and see if it needs any adjustment or
anything like that.
Interviewer: “The flight to New Hampshire then was that just a flight within the U.S was
that on the way to Europe?”
Oh yeah you know from Kearney, Nebraska to New Hampshire and then we was there, I don’t
know, three or four days, five days and we were on our way to England.

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Interviewer: “Okay, so it wasn’t a return flight to Plano or anything like that?”

No, no, no.
Interviewer: “How long were you in Plano then?”

What?
Interviewer: “How long were you in Plano, Texas before departing from Europe?”

We was just a short time in Pyote, Texas then we went to Kearney, Nebraska we was there
probably– Maybe two or three weeks? I don’t know.
Interviewer: “Did you fly elsewhere around the U.S?” (29:25)

Just from Kearney, Nebraska around, getting used to the aircraft and flight instruments.
Interviewer: “Okay, and then from New Hampshire you flew over the Atlantic.”
Well we went to– I think we went to Iceland and then we made one other stop but I don’t know
where.
Interviewer: “Would that have been in Ireland at all?”
I don’t know, I don’t have the least recollection but the next one was Kearney, Nebraska– I mean
Kimbolton.
Interviewer: “Kimbolton, that’s RAF Kimbolton in the U.K.”

England.

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Interviewer: “Now was that near Bedford, England, Kimbolton?”
60 miles north of London, I don’t know where Bedford is.
Interviewer: “Okay, how many other airplanes were there at Kimbolton or how many–
Was it a squat part of the squadron?”
Well it was the 379th Bomb Group, that’s where we were headquartered.
Interviewer: “I’m sorry what was the name of the bomb– Number of the bomb group?”

379th bomb group.
Interviewer: “Okay.”
Then about four aircraft per squadron, then we had– One, two, three, four, about four we’d fly
out of there with, about four squadrons. (31:05)
Interviewer: “Okay, so the four squadrons made a group then, is that right?”

Well that made one element of the group.
Interviewer: “Oh, I see.”

Just up the road a ways is another aircraft, Moultrie which was another fully equipped B-17 field.
Interviewer: “Mhmm, similar– About similar in size then to Kimbolton where Moultrie
was?”

What?

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Interviewer: “Moultrie was about the same size–”

Oh yeah.
Interviewer: “As Kimbolton.”

No contact with them except when you might have to take off and gain altitude in a cloud cover
and you’d be circling the air base with your instruments and then all at once you feel a violent
interruption– Disturbance in the air and you know someone just passed through there, fortunately
no one tried to pass at the same time.
Interviewer: “If they were there at the same time you were it’d be a little more than just a
little bit of turbulence, you’d have little aluminum flying around. When did you arrive then
at– Remember roughly when you arrived at Kimbolton?”
No I don’t but we can look at the list of missions and I was probably there two, three days before
we flew the first mission. (32:49) Yeah,
Interviewer: “Okay Lyle you arrived in England and two or three days later you were
scheduled for a mission.”

7-16-44 was the first one.
Interviewer: “Where did you go on that mission?”

Munich it says, Munich, Germany, nine hours and ten minutes.
Interviewer: “And again you were a co-pilot on that mission, is that right?”

Yes, I was a co-pilot, I never flew a mission as first pilot.

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Interviewer: “Oh, I see.”

We never had any incidents, never needed.
Interviewer: “So you’re a 2nd lieutenant then you eventually got promoted to 1st
lieutenant.”
Yeah, somewhere along the line, I don’t know where.
Interviewer: “But you remained a co-pilot though even after that. Okay, how many
missions would you fly in a week? You didn’t fly every day did you?”

Sometimes we did, like July we flew six– July 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20, and 21. So that would
be daily, that would be six, then we got four days off 21 to 25, then we got three days off to the
28th, and then eight– Three, four, five, six, seven, eight they were consecutive missions. (34:30)
Interviewer: “Now each of these missions was over Germany, is that right?”

Well depending– Let me see, all those were.
Interviewer: “How many hours average were the missions then, I mean were they eight,
nine hours or more or less?”
I don’t know the average but the 35 missions would equal out to 254 hours.
Interviewer: “And this was between July 16th and October 19th, 1944 right?”

Yes, October 19th.
Interviewer: “Lyle is referring to his listed missions that the operations officer at the time
gave to you and the other crew members right?”

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Pardon me?
Interviewer: “That’s the list of missions– Or tour of operations is the subject line dated
October 19, 1944 listing 35 missions.”

First one is so and so and the last 35th one is so and so.
Interviewer: “On October 19, ‘44. The average is six, seven, eight hours, here’s one to
Orleans, France five and a half hours.”
Yeah that’s just across the channel.
Interviewer: “One of the shorter ones. There’s Caen, France, Rouen, France which is
basically over the channel. Now you mentioned the most of your missions were some what
uneventful, your navigator got you over the target and–” (36:24)

Yeah.
Interviewer: “The bombardier–”

We never was really assaulted by Messerschmitt wolfpack.
Interviewer: “Did you encounter flak very often?”

Flak? Practically every time [overlapping chatter] A few there in France when they was
liberating that area, they didn’t have time to set their flak guns up, the 3rd Army was wiping
them off.
Interviewer: “Now you mentioned at one point the flak got pretty close to your airplane
right?”

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What?
Interviewer: “At one point flak got pretty close and actually damaged your aircraft wing.”

Yeah, well one time one of the pieces of flak shot up and come right through the wing,
fortunately it did not hit a gas tank or a structural member of the wing so all we done is fly with
a damaged air foil, hole in the wing.
Interviewer: “How big was the hole in the wing, about as big as a desk or a table?”

Yeah, about one and half times a cushion of them chairs.
Interviewer: “So maybe four feet square, something like that?”
I wouldn’t say four feet, three foot. (37:47)
Interviewer: “Three foot square?”

Say two and a half to three feet.
Interviewer: “Okay, and again as you mentioned it didn’t hit a structural member or a gas
tank, it didn’t hurt the engine or anything at all.”

No, just went through and ruined that airfoil wings, create a rough pattern around that torn wing.
Interviewer: “So the wing kind of dropped a little bit probably?”
No not the wing, no just the air going over it because that’s the wing of stable.
Interviewer: “So you’d have some drag going on that side.”

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Yeah.
Interviewer: “Yeah, you have to put it opposite rudder. So what– Okay you have a hole in
the wing, what did you– What did you do then, where did you go?”

Well the 3rd Army had just taken over the Brussels area and so the airfield was ready for use and
rather than chance it in the English channel we headed for the airfield there.
Interviewer: “At Brussels?”

Yes.
Interviewer: “So you landed there at [unintelligible] with a damaged wing.”

Yeah, successful. (39:05)
Interviewer: “Yeah.”

Successful landing–
Interviewer: “Let me ask you, did you have– Did you use radios like radio control, did you
have a control tower that you called or anything like that?”

Well evidently we had control contact with the Brussels towers.
Interviewer: “But generally you operated under radio silence I assume.”
Silence right, yeah you didn’t talk much.

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Interviewer: “But I assumed you would’ve had maps or whatever would’ve shown where
the airfield was and probably the frequency of the control tower.”

Navigator, bombardier would have maps and have that all down.
Interviewer: “I see, so you successfully landed, how long did you spend in Brussels at the
airfield there?”

Well we landed and then we went through interrogation and supper and was assigned a sleeping
quarters and next day about noon they said C-54 will be in not long after a while and pick you up
and take you back to England.
Interviewer: “C-54 or C-37?” (40:13)

C-47, just a passenger plane.
Interviewer: “DC-3.”

Yeah there you go DC-3.
Interviewer: “Yeah, okay so you got a free ride, I say free ride, got passenger ride back to
England.”

Yes.
Interviewer: “Back to– They take you right back to Kimbolton then?”

Yes.
Interviewer: “Okay, what happened then did your commanding officer get mad at you for
ruining the wing?”

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No, we just got the night off and went flying the next day.
Interviewer: “Got a new airplane.”

Well a different airplane yeah.
Interviewer: “Different airplane. Okay, so next day you had another mission there to fly.”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “Do you remember what mission that was where you got the hole in the
wing?”
I can’t– I’m looking at it and I can’t tell which one. (41:10)
Interviewer: “Okay, when was the only time you didn’t get back to Kimbolton?”

That was the only time, when that bomb went off in the wing– Or that aircraft went off in the
wing it was the only time we didn’t return to Kimbolton from a mission.
Interviewer: “What was interesting about the Peter Monday [Peenemunde] mission?”

Well the length of it and then the route going over the North Sea and north of Kiel– Keeve, is it
Kiel or Keeve? [it’s Kiel] We went north of there and crossed a little piece of land and back
down to the Black [Baltic] Sea and the thing that makes you stick out and the thing that makes
you stick out in our mind is the converter burning out, creating smoke in a cockpit.
Interviewer: “Just smoke not flame though right?”

No, never flame.

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Interviewer: “No burning.”

Electrical apparatus.
Interviewer: “Where was your flight engineer at that time when you noticed the smoke?”

Where was he?
Interviewer: “Where was the flight engineer?”

Who or where?
Interviewer: “No, where was he in the airplane?”

In the ball turret. (42:30)
Interviewer: “Down below in the–”

Yeah, yeah he was a shorter compact little guy and he frequently got in the ball turret and traded
with the other guy to be upstairs gunner.
Interviewer: “Was he able to get the diverter?”

Well he just cut it loose like you would and he sat there.
Interviewer: “So they literally snip the wires then is that what you mean?”
Yeah I think that’s what he did.

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Interviewer: “Okay, the mission to Peter Monday what shortage– What was the target on
that mission, do you recall?”
Well that’d be the buzz bomb, Peter Monday [Peenemunde] that’s why we went up there to get
the buzz bomb shot.
Interviewer: “The V2 plant, buzz bomb plant. Okay, any other missions you particularly
recall were of interest?”

Basically routine.
Interviewer: “Did you ever lose an engine or have an engine shut down?”

No, we never had to feather an engine and come in.
Interviewer: “Yeah, well at least you had four of them.” (43:47)

Four, they had excellent excellent ground crew so that aircraft was ready to go in the morning
and when we landed they wanted a report and they got right on if there was any repair and that
plane was generally ready for the next day.
Interviewer: “Let me ask you, now your ground crew how many members would be on the
ground crew, would that vary?”

I would guess around five, maybe six.
Interviewer: “Okay, and how many crew members did you have in the aircraft?”

I think we had a full complement of ten.
Interviewer: “Ten? Would be pilot, co-pilot–”

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Engineer, pilot, co-pilot, bombardier, navigator, engineer, radio operator, tail gunner and two
side gunners.
Interviewer: “Waist gunners, is that what they call them?”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “And then a ball turret and then did you have a top turret?”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “Okay, well the commissioned officers then would be the pilot, co-pilot–”

Navigator, and bombardier. (44:58)
Interviewer: “So we’d have just four commissioned officers on board?”

Right.
Interviewer: “And the rest were enlisted–”

Noncommissioned.
Interviewer: “Crew members. Okay, let me ask you what was the unit you were with, the
squadron number and bomb group?”

379th bomb group, 526 squadron.
Interviewer: “526?”

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526.
Interviewer: “Okay, how many– You had four airplanes in a squadron?”

Yes I think that was it.
Interviewer: “Okay, even your squadron then was– Well even in your bomb group but I
would say squadrons roughly the size of like an infantry company I assume as far as the
number of personnel.”

Well I think we had a lead and a right and a left and a low.
Interviewer: “Did you have any casualties among your squadron?”
Not that I’m aware of. (46:18)
Interviewer: “Okay, no aircraft were lost or people had to bail out?”

No, we brought them back, nobody bailed out.
Interviewer: “Okay, and you had mentioned earlier that you had never encountered any
Messerschmitts or German fighters or anything like that.”

No, we never had a direct attack by the German aircraft.
Interviewer: “Okay, a couple of other kinds of perfunctory questions here Lyle, were you
ever wounded in combat?”

Negative.
Interviewer: “Were you ever taken prisoner?”

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Negative.
Interviewer: “Okay, did– Well let me ask you this, did your turret gunners or tail gunner
or anything like that, did they ever have to fire at the enemy, do you recall?”
Not that I’m aware of.
Interviewer: “Okay, yeah if you didn’t have Messerschmitts coming at you–”

No.
Interviewer: “Probably not.”

We were a replacement crew so the heavy fighting had been already completed out over
Germany. (47:45)
Interviewer: “I see. Were you awarded any individual medals or citations?”

Well Air Force medal, things like that had practically all the crew that was on it, consistently
received the Air Medal and Bronze Star and a good, whatever the other one was.
Interviewer: “The award was the Distinguished Flying Cross right?”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “Now did that go to all members of the crew or was that specifically awarded
to you?”

I think if you flew all those missions you got the award.

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Interviewer: “Okay.”

I think–
Interviewer: “But to be awarded a– Like the Bronze Star that would be for an individual.”
That– We didn’t get any bronze stars.
Interviewer: “Okay, so basically just Distinguished Flying Cross to keep your airplane and
crew safe and complete the missions and return.”

At Avon Park they told us if anything went wrong to take our feet off the rudder and let loose of
the aileron and sit back, the little plane will ride itself and we had one case for one cadet, did
practicing spins solo and for some reason he got excited and bailed out and the plane righted
itself and flew out to the Atlantic. (49:35) Then the basic training at Macon the biggest thing we
was practicing night take off and landings and we were lined up to clear the runway and go and
all at once over the top of us comes a big ‘ole C-47 with a plane that kind of lost his way and he
was supposed to go to a neighboring field.
Interviewer: “So the aircraft landed over the top of you right?”

Well we were just about ready to give it our gas and go down a highway– Runway and he was
right on top of us, if we had simultaneously give it the gas to go we’d have been right under him,
squashed. I can’t remember anything happening exciting, it advanced AT-10s, that was just
getting used to twin engines dual controls a few things like that.
Interviewer: “I’m assuming an instructor would like pull the throttle back on one of the
engines.”

Yeah.

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Interviewer: “You had to identify which engine was out and–”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “He’d correct you.”
Yeah, he’d be going along and all at once something’s wrong and you started looking around
and– You reach down quickly turn that back on.
Interviewer: “Okay, let me ask you a little bit about life in the Army Air Corps, for
instance how did you keep in touch with your family?”
Well back then my folks didn’t even have a phone, you had to just postal, write a letter, write a
card,
Interviewer: “Okay, did you use what they called “v-mail” where they took a photograph
of your mail?” (51:38)
I don’t recall having v-mail.
Interviewer: “Okay, so you sent letters and you got letters from your family?”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “Okay, what was the food like in the Army Air Corps?”

As I recall, for me it was very adequate.
Interviewer: “Okay, did you have a regular mess hall then for each squadron did they have
one for the group?”

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Oh yeah, you had a regular place to go eat and time.
Interviewer: “What were your quarters like then, your living quarters there Lyle at
Kimbolton?”

Oh I think they were just a quonset hut.
Interviewer: “Was it a quonset hut or a nissen hut?”

Assigned different beds, different little areas, you had your own bed and you had a place to put
your personal items and change of clothes and that was it.
Interviewer: “Do they call it a nissen hut or a quonset hut?”

Well we all just called it a quonset hut. (52:50)
Interviewer: “Did you have adequate supplies as far as ammunition I guess, bombs?”

Far as I know. Far as I know we had plenty of everything.
Interviewer: “Okay, did you feel any pressure or stress like before or during the missions
or even between missions?”
No, I didn’t personally, just it was a great experience, things that was happening and you was
just a part of it and you’d go to bed at night and they’d wake you up in the morning and your
assignment for today is and you’d go and complete that and come back and have your meal and
go to bed and they’d come and call you in the morning if you was going to go.
Interviewer: “Let me ask you about these missions, a lot of them are– Many are eight, nine
hours and that kind of thing, what time of day would you– What time in the morning
would you get up for instance for a long mission like that.”

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Oh seemed like to me anywhere from two to six, two o’clock in the morning till six.
Interviewer: “0200 to 0600 up then, and then would you have a meal right away– I mean
your breakfast right away and then have meteorology briefing?”

Well it was the breakfast is so and so, interrogation is so and so, and–
Interviewer: “Now you mention the word interrogation, do you mean briefing are they
debriefing you on the mission?”

Yeah, briefing is–
Interviewer: “Okay, the briefing would be–”

[unintelligible] And your whole squadron would be there and everybody would know who was
leading, who was flight, and where your position was in the flight formation and– (54:47)
Interviewer: “Would that be the first time at the briefing, the first time they would tell you
where the mission was or did you know that in advance?”

No, that would be the closest to any information of where you was going and if it was a
particularly known anti-aircraft stuff like that there’d be a moan going across that room when
they said we were going to this area.
Interviewer: “I assume at the same time you’d be briefed as to the weather, meteorology.”

Oh yeah.
Interviewer: “Okay, well was there anything you did specifically for good luck, you know
before your missions, after the missions, whatever?”

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I’m not aware of any, you just had confidence in your other crew member, fortunately our first
pilot on the majority of our missions was very good. Straight guy, never come in drunk or didn’t
smoke and all that sort of stuff so very dependable.
Interviewer: “So you could count on him then.”
Yeah, after the war he said– Talking about it and he said “Well I prayed for you all the time.”
Interviewer: “Let’s see, did you have any of like entertainment there at your air base? Did
you have like USO shows come through or anything like that?”

I only recall one, one or two USO shows, one of them the next morning was a disaster because
evidently someone imbibed it too heavy and one of the gals, a British gal, got thrown into a
cesspool and they were trying to weed out who could find her. That’s blinking, is it supposed to
blink? (57:05)
Interviewer: “I think it’s getting toward the end of the tape.”

Good?
Interviewer: “You said the MPs were looking for suspects?”
Suspects, yeah you should’ve been there you could’ve got a job.
Interviewer: “Did you do anything to entertain yourselves– Among yourselves?”

Pardon me?
Interviewer: “I mean did you do anything to entertain yourselves as crewman, I mean did
you play basketball or–”

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Well you always had the card games going, now and then some of them– A very small majority
that I know of, had dice but I never got involved in any of those.
Interviewer: “Did you get a chance to go on leave, like R&amp;R like to London or any other
cities?”

We went down to London and we had a three day leave.
Interviewer: “How often were you able to do that?”

I recall only once.
Interviewer: “Okay, and that was after the main part of the blitz then is that right? In
London, was London being bombed at the time by Germany?” (58:23)

Oh that was– That really calmed down by then.
Interviewer: “Oh yeah, did you– Were you able to do any other travel while you were in
England?”
I didn’t, no and I’m not aware our crew did.
Interviewer: “Your missions end here in– Well that last one was October 19th, 1944. What
happened after that, did you fly back to the United States?”

Well you went through the necessary paperwork, I was on a boat– Ship.
Interviewer: “Came back by ship, I see. Remember the name of the ship you were on?”

No I do not.

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Interviewer: “Okay, where did you come ashore then in the United States, where’d you
come into port?”

Well I figure on Staten Island, somewhere along there.
Interviewer: “So New York and that was after 35 missions, was that the number of
missions you needed before you could come back to the United States?”

35 was your tour duty.
Interviewer: “I see, so they didn’t extend you I mean you didn’t get to 32 or 33 missions
and–”

I suppose you could volunteer for extra, that would be where that case was, the goal was 35
missions and you was done and this captain come around with the enticement if you sign on for,
as I recall, ten more missions or more missions he said “I’ll see that you get promoted to
captain.” (59:55) Well after going through that no big problem why should I stick my neck out
for ten more missions?
Interviewer: “And I assume if you’d made captain you would have been the aircraft
commander then is that right?”

Probably yeah.
Interviewer: “Yeah, so you declined that specific offer. Yeah, what did you do when you got
back to the United States, what kind of assignment did you have then?”

Well went to California for assignment and then went to the training command.
Interviewer: “Where did you go in California, what city?”

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Just south of Burbank, Santa Ana.
Interviewer: “So this is the beginning of tape two in the interview of Lyle Brockway for the
Veteran History Project interview being recorded on August 7, 2019. Lyle let me ask you
during your time particularly in England and you know, I suppose flying over Germany
and France, did you take any photographs during your tour duty?”
I never had a camera, I never took one, I didn’t keep a log like somebody did.
Interviewer: “Okay, no photos and shouldn’t have kept– Did you keep a log book then of
your flying time?”
I didn’t, no.
Interviewer: “I see.” (1:02:00)

Our radio operator had a log of everything.
Interviewer: “Oh I see.”

He was just that type of guy.
Interviewer: “What did you think of your fellow officers and soldiers or airmen that you
flew with as far as their ability as crewmen?”

Well our– That would be influenced by your interactions and I had a first rate pilot strong and he
flew all those missions and he was still a 1st lieutenant and the navigator he was good at his
profession but I don’t know otherwise and then towards the end they started putting an extra
gunner in the front and taking the navigator out unless you were a lead aircraft. So the actual
contact with the other personnel I thought was very satisfactory all the way.

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Interviewer: “So you and the enlisted members that were the waist gunner and ball gunner
and tail gunner that’s your thing.
Yeah they’ve done their signed duty and that’s all you really can ask.
Interviewer: “Did your aircraft have a nose gun installed?”

Yeah, we had a nose gun.
Interviewer: “Okay, was that normally manned by the navigator or engineer?”

Well the guns in front were generally bombardier and navigator handled those.
Interviewer: “I see.” (1:03:44)

Until later on when things got less hectic, then they replaced the navigator or could replace the
bombardier but if you’re gonna do a group bombing all you gotta do is have someone to
coordinate, open the bomb doors, and drop them out.
Interviewer: “Was the bombardier and the navigator, was that one position or two
positions?”

Two positions.
Interviewer: “I see, okay. Okay you’re back in California you mentioned you know after
arriving back in the U.S. Were you at a training command at that point, where you were
doing training?”

Well California was just reassignment there under a very short space of time.

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Interviewer: “Oh I see.”

Go there, check in, stall around for a few days and get your papers to go back to Macon,
Georgia, come in at Staten Island, go to Santa Ana, California and get reassigned to Macon,
Georgia.
Interviewer: “What did you do in Macon then on the second tour of Macon.”

Well I started in the training command and was there a few days and then I got sent down to
Waco, Texas for contact flying instructor.
Interviewer: “Contact flying?”

Contact, no instrument, no hoods, no anything like that just contact so you–
Interviewer: Visualize.” (1:05:21)

Visual yeah, you could take a cadet out and fly around with him.
Interviewer: “Were you at McConnell Air Force Base in Waco? [unintelligible]”
Name, I don’t– The name don’t sound familiar, all I knew was Waco.
Interviewer: “So you’re at Waco, Texas, how long did you spend there in Waco?”

About nine weeks.
Interviewer: “I see, okay and you’re an instructor then for contact visual.”

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Then I– Yeah instructor I go into training command and give instructions and I just got back in
good shape, two or three weeks and I signed to go to Bryan, Texas for instrument flying
instructor.
Interviewer: “Now was the multi engine instrument or were you–”
Well they did pull the hood down over the guy’s face and he’d have to do various things relying
on the instruments in the aircraft.
Interviewer: “How long were you Bryan then?”

About nine weeks I guess.
Interviewer: “About nine weeks. Okay, where did you go after that then?”
I don’t really know where I went but it was the Air Transport Command.
Interviewer: “I’m sorry, Air Transport Command you said?” (1:06:47)

Air Transport, yeah.
Interviewer: “I see.”

And like I went to Walnut Ridge, I went down to Savanna and got a P-47 and flew it to Walnut
Ridge in Arkansas and then we took a PQ– No, ugly duckling aircraft C, I was assigned co-pilot
on that flight we went from Miami to L.A with an old civilian seasoned pilot that knew all about
that aircraft and–
Interviewer: “So what kind of aircraft was that?”
I can’t think of it.

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Interviewer: “Okay I’m sorry what kind of aircraft?”

PBY.
Interviewer: “The Catalina?”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “Made by Consolidated Aircraft?”

Yeah.
Interviewer: “Yeah, you flew that from Miami you said to Los Angeles?”

Yeah, we stopped in New Orleans and somewhere else and we flew PQ-14s from various little
fields up to Oklahoma City for storage and then I was called in to be relieved of duty.
Interviewer: “That’s the end of your term of service for the Army Air Corps then?”
(1:08:34)
Yeah that’s it.
Interviewer: “Okay, when was that then that you were discharged?”
Oh about November of– ‘41, ‘42 I guess, it’s on one of them sheets.
Interviewer: “Well then about November ‘45 after V-J day that you were discharged.”

Yeah.

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Interviewer: “About in there. Okay, and then I’m assuming you returned back to
Kalamazoo or Vicksburg is that right?”

Yeah, went home.
Interviewer: “Okay, what did you do when you initially got home then Lyle?”
Well not– Didn’t do anything right away till I got interested in a young lady, then I had money–
Had to have money for dates and I got– Knocked on doors and got a job at Consumers Power.
Interviewer: “Did you go back to college at all?”

No, no I did not.
Interviewer: “Okay, so several months later you came on with Consumers Power?”

Consumers Power.
Interviewer: “Okay, and that turned out to be your lifelong occupation right?” (1:09:55)
There it was and I kept going up the ladder, there was no use going to college, I couldn’t have
bettered myself by going to college. I was getting a daily, weekly, whatever you want to say
salary and promotions and all the good stuff that long term employment.
Interviewer: “What was your position initially then with Consumers Power?”

Initially?
Interviewer: “Yeah, initially.”

Ground man.

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Interviewer: “Ground man or–”

Ground man, you dug the holes, put the poles in, set the anchors down, helped load the truck,
and do everything but climb the poles and drive. Then I got to be a truck driver and then you got
to be a truck driver– What’d they call it, I forget what the next classification was anyway you
could use the winch line.
Interviewer: “Oh I see.”
Before you couldn’t use the winch line because you was just a truck driver, and then went to B
lineman which is you done all the below things and worked with low voltage, up to 480 volts.
Interviewer: “What did the B stand for?”
Just you were– You weren’t the top lineman so you was a B, at one place at one time they had
what they call C linemen and you’d go out and build lines– Not energized, didn’t have to. B
linemen could work on those things like come to the house and different things like that.
(1:11:50)
Interviewer: “How many years did you have with Consumers Power, which became
Consumers Energy right?”
Get out in ‘48 or ‘49? Oh roughly, I don’t know 40 years.
Interviewer: “40 years? Okay, what year did you retire?”
‘83 I think.
Interviewer: “I’m sorry, ‘83?”

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‘83.
Interviewer: “1983, okay about 40 years or so. What was your final position then with
Consumers Power?”

I was a district superintendent stationed in Cadillac, Michigan, got charged with the maintenance
and construction of electrical equipment in Cadillac, Claire, Prudenville, and– Cadillac… I guess
I need a state map I’m forgetting these things, Cadillac–
Interviewer: “Well that’s alright, what were some of your other duty stations, you
mentioned you’re in Traverse City and what other duty stations were you in with
Consumers Power throughout the state?”

Well, Kalamazoo, Flint, Manistee, Traverse City, and Cadillac.
Interviewer: “Now you mentioned earlier just briefly that you came back, got out of the
Army Air Corps and you said you met a young lady, when were you married then?”
(1:14:08)
July 5th about ‘40– I don’t know, ‘47?
Interviewer: “1947, okay.”

Something like that.
Interviewer: “What was your wife’s name then?”
My wife’s name is Roberta Mae.
Interviewer: “M-A-E?”

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M-A-E.
Interviewer: “Okay, Brockway then right. Yeah, and then she’s still living in your family
home, is that right?”

She and her first husband started building that house in 1953, moved in in 1954.
Interviewer: “Here in Grand Rapids?”

Right, he died later on with cancer and she was a single widowed lady for about five to six years,
I came along in 22–23 years ago, that’d be 23 years ago.
Interviewer: “Your first wife’s name?”

Maria M-A-R-I-A-M.
Interviewer: “M-A-R-I-A-M?” (1:15:45)

M-A-R-I-A middle initial M.
Interviewer: “Okay, Maria M. Brockway. Okay, and how many children did you have?”

We had five.
Interviewer: “Okay Lyle, how many children did you and Maria have?”

We had four, Kenneth, Robert, Michael, and Ann.
Interviewer: “Okay, and how many grandchildren do you have?”

Kenneth has two, Robert has two, Michael has four, and Ann has two. Ten?

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Interviewer: “We can do the math. Okay, life after the service to back up a little bit you
told me you did not return to college because you really didn’t need it with Consumers
Energy.”

I got a job for 87 and a half cents an hour.
Interviewer: “That’s big money at that time right?”
Absolutely, when you’re worried about a pair of shoes for the kids and then you’d stand by, the
phone would ring “Hey can you come into work? We got a transformer that burnt out.” Or car hit
a pole or– So you’d go in, get a little overtime and then all at once on the paycheck day you had
the money for the shoes.
Interviewer: “Did you make any close friends when you were in the service, people you
would’ve stayed in touch with after?” (1:17:52)

The only one I would– Till Strom died, Robert Strom in St.Paul Minnesota, he was a pilot.
Interviewer: “His last name is Strong?”

Strom S-T-R-O-M, and the other one was Barney Willis– Willis, Barney radio operator Bath,
New York.
Interviewer: “Okay I’m sorry, Willis is his last name?”
Barney B-A-R-N-E-Y, now he might have just died on me, I don’t know I haven’t heard from
him. I should try to call him up but this rigamarole of getting exiled over here to his Clark home
is–
Interviewer: “So Robert Strom then was your–”

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Pilot, 1st pilot.
Interviewer: “Pilot in command then during the time that you were over there. Okay and
Willis is also in your crew is that right?”

He was a radio operator.
Interviewer: “Yeah, you kept in touch with him then throughout the years?”

Yeah well there was a period of time then that we had to go to Colorado Springs, my boy and
wife were gonna go or a 20th anniversary or something, Hawaiian Islands, and grandpa and
grandma went out to babysit and then we, while we was there somehow we got in touch with a
retiree and he got us the numbers and we got going to the 379th bomb group reunion group and I
went down– Went to a few of their reunions. (1:19:44)
Interviewer: How many– I mean several reunions you went to?”
San Antonio, and Indianapolis, and a few more I can’t think of, few more.
Interviewer: “Did you join any veterans organizations after the war?”

Negative.
Interviewer: “Let me just ask you Lyle, how did your experiences in the service affect your
life after the war and you know you’re thinking of the military and military service in
general?”

How did my military service affect my civilian life?

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Interviewer: “Well civilian life and also your views of the military and military service in
general?”

Which one is having the effect, work or military?
Interviewer: “Well either or.”
Well I don’t know the effect of any of it, you was born and raised from your home background,
you’re taught to work, honesty, beyond time and all those things and you use them right on
through all your years of labor. You’re there in the morning with your lunch pail eight o’clock,
and cooperate as much as you could and–
Interviewer: “Did it affect your views of war at all, I mean just generally your views of war,
you know the wars we went through later in Korea, Vietnam, or you know even the Persian
Gulf?”
I don’t think we’ve ever discussed anything like that, it was just an experience and this farm boy
was just another farm boy and his number, if I hadn’t have been in the B-17 I’d have in the
infantry or been here or there, just like other young unmarried 20 year olds. (1:22:08)
Interviewer: “I think you’re saying basically where you were needed.”

Where we were– Yeah.
Interviewer: “Okay, well is there anything else you would like to cover or talk about before
we conclude the interview?”
I guess not, we’ve covered families and we’ve covered work and we covered the uneventful
military thing, 25– 35 missions and things exploding in the wing for excitement where people
had– Were– They– That’s the same as being shot at in the ground.

�Brockway, Lyle
Interviewer: “That’s right.”
Except they didn’t have them to hit our aircraft and–
Interviewer: “You really did have a puncture wound.”
You just got up in the morning and you didn’t have any choice, you got up in the morning and
went again.
Interviewer: “Okay, hey Lyle what is this document then? It says it’s an Army of the
United States separation qualification record. I don’t want to move it, I just want to leave
it.”
Well I can’t see it, I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Interviewer: “So this document then shows your– The type of qualifications you had as far
as a multi engine pilot, B-17 pilot, and also well single engine aircraft pilot and aircraft
maintenance officer then, and this is page two of your separation qualification record.
(1:24:10) It shows your various duty assignments throughout your time in the Army Air
Corps. Now this document is from the operations officer and it shows your list of missions,
35 missions over Germany and France between July 16, 1944 and October 19, 1944. Total
of 35 missions, 254 hours 40 minutes. Lyle this appears to be a newspaper article when you
were awarded the Distinguished Flying Crosses right?”

Yes.
Interviewer: “Was this from the local newspaper in Kalamazoo?”

Yes, I believe it.

�Brockway, Lyle
Interviewer: “I see, and you mentioned earlier that this, this Distinguished Flying Cross
was awarded to all the crew members is that right?”

More or less, as far as I know.
Interviewer: “Okay, and Lyle you mentioned this photograph was taken at Avon Park,
Florida. What kind of aircraft is this in the background?”
That’s a Stearman.
Interviewer: “Stearman.”

Biplane.
Interviewer: “Okay, and this is you is that right?”
That’s right, instructor is the little guy.
Interviewer: “And these are other cadets then?” (1:25:50)

The third one in from my side is the instructor, Jeffries.
Interviewer: “I see.”

So he had five kids, five young guys to teach.
Interviewer: “And everybody else including yourself were cadets at that point.”

Yeah, yep.
Interviewer: “And this photograph you said is your crew.”

�Brockway, Lyle

Yeah, B-17 crew.
Interviewer: “And this is you, is that right Lyle?”

Yes.
Interviewer: “Okay, this is your pilot.”

Pilot.
Interviewer: “What was his name?”

Robert Strom.
Interviewer: “Strom.”

St.Paul.
Interviewer: “Any other members you recall specifically?” (1:26:37)

Well I know on the left Louie Ness and then the next guy was Marty Neilson but outside of that
picture he was in the hospital, he didn’t go with us.
Interviewer: “I see.”

The other guys did.
Interviewer: “This is the reverse of the photograph of your crew in front of your B-17 with
the names listed.”

�Brockway, Lyle
Yeah. I got a book home or I did have before–
Interviewer: “Okay, here are some photographs of you in training, is this you in the
cockpit?”

Yes.
Interviewer: “Okay, and a trainer single engine training aircraft, and this is after
commissioning?”
That’s returning from overseas.
Interviewer: “Oh I see.”
That’s when I was assigned to Santa Ana for that short space.
Interviewer: “And that’s your B-17 and Brussels. (1:27:46)

Yep.
Interviewer: “With a hole in the wing.”

Right.
Interviewer: “And a little bit of, it looks like scrap metal above and below it after being
shot with flak.”

Right.
Interviewer: “We’ve been interviewing Lyle Brockway as a Veterans History Project
interview, Lyle served in the U.S Army Air Corps during World War II as a B-17 pilot

�Brockway, Lyle
over Europe during the latter part of the war. Lyle I want to thank you for your
participation in the Veterans History Project which is being put together also by the history
department at Grand Valley State University, Allendale, Michigan. I thank you for your
participation and also thank you for your service during World War II.

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Veterans’ History Project
Craig Brodie
Cold War, Vietnam War
1 hour 25 minutes 10 seconds
(00:00:35) Early Life
-Born in Plattsburgh, New York in August of 1941
-Father was an insurance adjuster for GM
-He enlisted in the Army to fight in WWII
-Moved to mother’s hometown Newtown, Connecticut while father fought
-Grew up in Newtown, Connecticut
(00:01:19) College &amp; ROTC
-Attended the University of Vermont
-Joined the Reserve Officers’ Training Corps
-Two years were mandatory, stayed on for voluntary four years
-Graduated from college on June 9, 1963
-Got commissioned by the Army on the same day
-First two years of ROTC consisted of marching and classwork
-Second two years of ROTC was more based on leadership
-Got to lead a training platoon
-Executive officer of his corps during his senior year
-Had one summer camp at Fort Devens, Massachusetts
-Very similar experience to boot camp
(00:04:16) Armored Officer Training
-Went to New Jersey to meet with his brother
-Brother was a warrant officer
-Got him (Craig) his first uniforms for training
-From New Jersey went to Fort Knox, Kentucky for Armored Officer Basic School
-Being around a tank for the first time was stunning
-Training consisted of two primary focuses
-How to properly fight with, and against, tanks
-Physical conditioning
-Ran three to four miles every morning
-Last training course was a combination of physical and academic endurance
-Adjusted quickly and easily to military living
-Training lasted five months
-Had very little downtime in those five months
-Spent most of their time in the classroom or in the field
-Had been trained by other officers
-First day there had to teach a class on fire prevention
(00:07:14) Deployment to Germany
-Went to Brooklyn Naval Yard
-Boarded the Rose (a troop transport) that was bound for Germany
-While en route he placed was in charge of educating other soldiers about Germany

�-Had to create a lesson plan that was approved by a colonel
(00:08:51) Serving in Germany
-Arrived in Bremerhaven, Germany
-Greeted by a band
-Got assigned to be the train commander
-In charge of maintaining order and discipline en route to deployment
-Went to Heidelberg, Germany
-Got assigned to the 4th Medium Tank Battalion 68th Armored Regiment
-First day there they went into the field for training maneuvers
-Got put in charge of a tank platoon
-Used M60 tanks
-Listened to experienced soldiers on how to properly command
-By now it was early 1964
-Large number of drills dealt with repelling a Russian invasion
-Wanted to be prepared for any eventuality
(00:13:26) German Civilians
-Visited Mannheim, Germany fairly often
-Treated very well by the Germans there
-Later was able to move in with a German family
-Knew very little German
-Eventually learned some basic phrases
-Most Germans that lived around bases picked up some English
(00:14:53) Leaving Germany
-Stayed in Germany until 1966
-Had been reassigned to the 3rd Squadron of the 8th Cavalry
-Patrolled the East/West German border
-Focused on possible invasion routes
-Worked in conjunction with the West German military
-Good morale in Germany
-Units were being drawn out for redeployment to Vietnam
-Met the woman he would marry while in Germany
-They got married in April of 1966
-In June 1966 he received orders to return to the United States
(00:18:43) Aberdeen Proving Ground
-Assigned to Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland
-Became an original member of the Officer Candidate School Brigade
-New duty was to train soldiers about maintenance and supplies
-Still worked with vehicles
-Also was placed in charge of record keeping
-Worked there for two years as a teacher
-While at Aberdeen he was promoted to captain
-Did not plan on becoming a career soldier
-Not many jobs in the civilian world though
(00:22:13) Deployment to Vietnam
-Wanted to go to Vietnam
-Wanted to prove his merit as an officer

�-Received orders to leave for Vietnam in the fall of 1968
-Found out that his wife was pregnant two days before he left
-Flew to California and took a TWA chartered flight out of Travis Air Force Base
-Stopped in Hawaii and Okinawa before reaching Vietnam
(00:25:35) Arriving in Vietnam
-Landed in Bien Hoa
-Greeted by soldiers that were ecstatic about leaving Vietnam
-Traveled by bus to the 93rd Replacement Battalion
-Thought that Vietnam was hot and sticky
-Received very little orientation upon arriving
-Received orders to go to the 29th General Support Group
-Located at Long Binh
-Primary focus there was logistics
-Told deputy commander there that he wanted to be a commander
-Received the position
(00:28:02) Bearcat-Leadership Position
-The next day he was sent to Bearcat
-Placed in command of the 590th Maintenance Company
-Replacing the former company commander
-Located fifteen kilometers south of Long Binh
-Inland location
-Previous base of the 9th Infantry Division
-Well defended by U.S. and Thai soldiers
-3000 troops as well as helicopter units
-Got harassed by enemy fire
-Low level artillery strikes and minor sapper raids
-Received a formal introduction to the company he would be commanding
-Planned on getting to know the soldiers better
-Interviewed the NCOs and officers under his command
-Learned that the supply system was broken
-Started to repair the supply system at Bearcat
-Moved soldiers into different positions to promote efficiency
-Worked with the company for six months
(00:35:54) Enemy Contact
-Remembers an incident on February 23, 1969
-A movie had gotten over at 10 PM
-Twenty minutes later a Vietnamese rocket barrage started
-Rocket hit the movie theatre
-Would have killed everyone in there
-Didn’t take a single casualty that night
-Remembers a rocket strike killing four troops in a jeep at once
-Only got shot at once or twice
-Later learned that one of his OCS trainers had been killed in action outside of Bearcat
(00:39:19) Operating Outside of Bearcat
-Went to multiple places outside of Bearcat
-Long Binh, firebases, Saigon (rarely)

�-Had to go off the base to coordinate supplies and inspect the conditions of supplies
-Part of insuring that supplies were being maintained properly
-Also went out with Thai troops to recover damaged, or destroyed, vehicles
(00:41:50) Relationship with Thai Soldiers
-Met with Thai soldiers once a week
-Language gap made communicating difficult
-Good workers and good soldiers
-Biggest issue involved their lack of familiarity with electronics and howitzers
-Thai soldiers were respected
-Worked hard to keep the surrounding area free of North Vietnamese and Viet Cong
-They patrolled between Bearcat and another base known as Blackhorse
(00:45:19) Going to Saigon
-Had to go into Saigon to call his wife
-No international telephones outside of Saigon
-Was only able to talk to her twice during his deployment
-Also went to Saigon to gather specific parts for vehicles
-Once was able to find thirteen extremely rare Dodge truck engines
-You could find almost anything in Saigon
-Suspects that there was a vibrant black market of stolen goods
-Once scrounged up a portable officer hut, steaks, and miscellaneous vehicles
(00:49:32) Relationship with Vietnamese Civilians
-Remembers firing Vietnamese mess hall workers
-Had been allowing for unsanitary conditions
-Replaced them with American soldiers
-Lots of Vietnamese civilians worked at Bearcat
-Five to six civilians were used per unit
-Cleaned living areas, mess halls, and latrines
-Had a young orphaned boy work for him for about three months
-Knew that Viet Cong infiltration was a possibility, but never witnessed it himself
-Soldiers under his command got along with the Vietnamese
-Good relationship as long as the civilians followed orders
-Structure of their relationship didn’t allow for mistreatment
-U.S. soldiers would routinely go off base to pick up Vietnamese prostitutes
(00:54:38) Drugs &amp; Race Relations
-Biggest discipline problem involved psychologically unstable soldiers using drugs
-Some soldiers attempted to kill their officers while they were high
-He always felt that the stable, responsible soldiers could handle their drugs
-Opium and weed were common
-Had to deal with the results of drug use
-One soldier under his command developed a drug habit
-Drugs weren’t a major problem for him
-There were black soldiers in leadership positions
-Black and white soldiers got along well and would willingly integrate
(00:58:05) Bearcat-Staff Position
-After leading for six months he was moved to staff at Bearcat
-Continued to be responsible for maintenance and supply

�-Worked with the Armored Cavalry units at Bearcat and Blackhorse
-Mostly office work
-Tried to maintain a presence with his troops at Bearcat
-Didn’t enjoy being behind a desk
-Tried to avoid having conflicts with company commanders
-Had an OK relationship with his commanding officer
-Not a bad person, just a bad listener
-Didn’t always see eye to eye with each other
(01:01:20) Reflecting on Vietnam
-Never thought about the war’s progress during his deployment
-Was always under the impression that they were winning
-Felt that they did better under Abe Abrams as opposed to Westmoreland
-Heart wrenching to see Saigon fall to North Vietnam in 1975
-Thought they would return to a hero’s welcome
-Shocked by the negativity upon returning home
-Felt that they had handled the dead well at Blackhorse
-Dignified and respectful
-Also had been impressed by how well their triage system worked
(01:03:41) Leaving Vietnam and Coming Home
-Went through the 93rd Replacement Battalion before leaving Vietnam
-Was able to take a shower and put on a clean uniform
-Went to Bien Hoa to board a “Freedom Bird” (a chartered TWA airliner)
-Flew to Alaska and was received well there
-From Alaska flew back to Travis Air Force Base
-Took a bus from Travis AFB to San Francisco
-Advised by their superiors to change out of their uniforms
-Decided to wear his uniform on the flight home
-Never was harassed because of being a veteran
-Returned to his wife in Michigan
-Was finally able to see his five month old son
(01:05:56) Ammunition Procurement and Supply Agency
-Next assignment was to the Ammunition Procurement and Supply Agency
-Located in Joliet, Illinois
-Had to train at Fort Lee, Virginia to learn how to be a procurement officer
-Got promoted to major
-Did office work in Joliet, Illinois for two years
-Worked in ammunition sales for eight months
(01:07:04) Deployed to Hawaii
-Got assigned to Hawaii as a materiel officer for the 725th Maintenance Battalion
-Did office work for a year and a half
-Eventually worked in materiel
-Duty was to insure that supplies were moved to Guam to be moved to Vietnam
-Stayed in Hawaii until the fall of Saigon in 1975
-Discouraged by how quickly Vietnam fell
-Enjoyed the deployment to Hawaii

�(01:10:10) Military Colleges
-After Hawaii he was sent to the Command and General Staff College
-Graduated fifth in his class
-Performance as an officer had significantly improved
-Had received a bronze star for supply leadership in Vietnam
-Sent by the Army to study at Babson College outside of Boston
-Spent eighteen months there
(01:11:03) Tank Automotive Command
-Sent to Detroit as part of the Tank Automotive Command to oversee supply
-Wound up taking over the M48 tank upgrading project
-Successfully finished that program
-Worked in integrated logistics support for a couple years
(01:12:55) Deployment to Korea
-Sent to South Korea
-Placed in command of General Support Maintenance for all of South Korea
-Allowed him to overhaul the computerized supply system
-Served in Korea from 1981 to 1982
-Helped streamline and improve the efficiency there
-Mostly worked with Koreans
-Thought that they were good workers
-Life was different in Korea
-Totally foreign experience and took some time adjusting to it
-North/South Korean demilitarized zone was a very active border
(01:17:23) Tank Automotive Command Pt. 2
-Got assigned to be the Inspector General for Tank Automotive Command in Detroit
-Post-Korea
-Assignment would last four years
-Took part in major investigation concerning efficiency of tank production
-Got assigned to be Director of Systems Engineering
-Still in Detroit
-In charge of field engineering
-Duty was to reorganize Tank Automotive Command into two parts
-Eventually got promoted to colonel
-Heavily involved in the modernization effort of tanks during the 1980s
(01:21:17) Career Post-Army
-Retired from the Army as soon as he could get a job
-Got employed through GTE in Massachusetts through a friend
-Did satellite communications work for the military
-Eventually became the project manager for the whole program
-The regional support center at Fort Hood under his command participated in the Gulf War
-Retired from that at the age of sixty
(01:24:08) Life after Service
-Prompted him to have a deep interest in American military history
-Collects Civil War artifacts
-Letters, orders, photos, and weapons
-Has deeply, independently studied WWII due to family’s involvement

�Vietnam Experiences
by
Craig E. Brodie (Colonel USA RET.)
Feb 2014 Version
Preface
This paper addresses some of the details of my tour of duty in Vietnam in 1968-1969. Sources of my
story are personal notes, official records and memory. There is no possible way to capture and record all
that has become a part of what I now refer to as my Vietnam Experience. This is my best effort.
I have tried to be a good historian. This paper has been a work in progress since 1970 when I started to
document my story for future generations. Some of the story comes from notes and documents kept all
these years. Some of course comes from memory. Where unsure of events, I have tried to identify the
uncertainty.

Getting Started
Orders to report for duty in Vietnam arrived early in August of 1968 while I was a student at the
Ordnance Officer Advanced Course at Aberdeen Proving Grounds MD. They were not unexpected. I
entered the twenty-week course with an understanding that I would go to Vietnam upon graduation in
the fall.
My orders for assignment to Vietnam were published in Headquarters Department of the Army Special
Orders No. 144 dated 24 July 1968. As was the common practice, the orders were general in nature and
directed assignment to a major in-theater command. In my case the major command was the US Army
Support Command Saigon (USASSUPCOM SGN) APO San Francisco 96491. My Availability Date was 4
November 1968. My Estimated Date for Change of Station Assigned (EDCSA) was 7 November 1968. My
Overseas arrival date was identified as no later than (NLT) 8 November 1968. Everyone understood that
a specific duty assignment would be determined after arrival in Vietnam.
My assignment orders authorized up to 134lbs of personal effects. They specifically directed that I
arrive in Vietnam wearing khaki (tan) trousers with a short sleeved khaki (tan) shirt and that I take with
me one complete “work uniform “ which is the uniform aptly, affectionately and better known as
fatigues. I was allowed up to 30 days of leave prior to departure.
Prior to finishing the Ordnance Officer Advanced Course, I received all required shots had an eye exam
and received two pair of regular glasses and one pair of sunglasses. I was also fitted with special
prescription glasses that fit into a standard issue M17 protective mask. The M17, was designed to
protect against chemical and biological attacks which was a standard issue item for the Army worldwide,
including Vietnam. I never carried or put the mask on during my entire tour of duty.I graduated from
the Ordnance Officer Advanced Course on 19 September 1968 but remained assigned to the student
detachment providing temporary support to training courses until I was ready to go on leave.

�Lil and I packed out of our second home which was a small second floor two bedroom apartment we
rented in Havre de Grace, Maryland, upon our arrival at Aberdeen in June of 1966. My notes indicate Lil
and I departed Aberdeen at 1000 hrs on 27 September 1968. We drove to Newtown, Connecticut to see
Dee Dee (My Aunt Alice) and then drove to Northport, Michigan, to visit with Mom and Dad Johnson.
While on leave I learned that on October 10, 1968 the US Army Ordnance Center and School had
published Special Order #220 which amended Department of Army Special Order #144 directing that I
report to Travis Air Force Base, Oakland, California by no later than (NLT) 1900 hours on 4 November
1968 for Flight TKPT 2B3 for transport to Vietnam.
On October 12th we arrived in Kalamazoo, Michigan, to settle Lil into our new townhouse at 3485
Kenbrook Court. I don’t recall renting the apartment, but we certainly went to Kalamazoo to do that
somewhere along the way. Once Lil was settled in our new home we flew to visit my folks in Orlando,
Florida. While in Florida we took a trip with my parents over to the Gulf coast at Ft. Meyer and then
down to through the Everglades to Miami then back to Orlando.
When back in Kalamazoo, Lil went to see a doctor and learned she was pregnant. I picked her up at the
sidewalk and she gave me a card telling me I was going to be a father. It was just a few days before I had
to leave.
After lunch on 2 November 1968 Lil and I got ready to say good-by for a year. I put on my Green
uniform and Lil put on a tan suit I just loved. I had to wear my Green uniform because the summer
uniform I would wear into Vietnam was not authorized for wear in November in Michigan. We took
some pictures in the back yard. I said goodbye to our dog Tanza and then we drove our gold 1967
Plymouth over to Barb and Dick Hughey’s. We spent some time at the Hughey’s talking and sharing
some wine. I remember I did not want to sit down. Barb and Dick drove us to the Kalamazoo airport.
There was no indoor ramp leading to the plane. We had to walk outside to get to the gate area.
Passengers had to pass through a fence, walk some distance to the plane and then climb the stairs to
the door. I held Lil for the last time at the fence. I remember I could not then look back until I was up
the steps and at the door of the plane because if I had I would not have been able to keep going. Saying
goodbye to Lil who I knew was pregnant and to all that I loved most in the world on that day was the
hardest thing I have ever had to do in my life. The empty feeling was worse than the death of any loved
one I have ever lived through. I will never forget it.
We flew out at about1630 hours on a North Central Airlines flight headed to O’Hare airport in Chicago. I
remember I sat next to a young Private who was also heading to Vietnam. We smoked and talked about
what might lie ahead. He had never been outside of the United States. We both felt alone.
I changed planes at O’Hare and got on a direct flight to San Francisco, California. I don’t recall the airline.
I was met at the airport in San Francisco by Lil’s sister Carol Johnson, who at that time was single and
teaching school in San Jose, California. We spent the next day (3 November) visiting San Francisco and
on the morning of the 4th drove out to the beach at Santa Cruze. On the afternoon of the 4th I put on my
khaki uniform, left my Green uniform with Carol and she drove me up to Travis Air Force Base. We got

�there at about 5 in the afternoon. I said good-by to Carol, checked in my duffle bag, and placed a call to
Lil from a phone booth just before we were called to board the plane.

On the Way
The aircraft we flew into Vietnam was operated by TWA under contract with the government. It was full
to capacity. The higher the rank the further front one got to sit. I sat on the aisle 8-10 rows back. We
loaded quietly. It was dark. There was not much talking. Everyone’s mind was on what they were
leaving.
Almost as soon as we were airborne they started to feed us, and they kept on feeding us regularly
throughout the flight to help us adjust to the time changes. All the stewardesses and crew had worked
such flights many times. They all wore vests covered with medals given to them by soldiers on the way
home from the war. We were soldiers on the way in – we would not be the same on the way out. I
have often wondered how many on our flight never returned alive.
Our first stop was Hawaii were we took on fuel. I don’t recall if we were allowed off of the plane or not.
I do remember it was dark. The next stop was at Kadina Air Base in Okinawa where once again we took
on fuel and were allowed off to stretch our legs. At that time the terminal where we deplaned was built
of tin buildings. It was still dark in Kadina. From Kadina we flew directly into Bien Hoa Air Base in
Vietnam. Between Kadina and Bien Hoa night became day.
We arrived at Bien Hoa in bright morning sunlight. It was November 6, 1968 in Vietnam. As our plane
descended to lower altitudes, everyone was trying to look out the windows. It was very green and the
brown colored military camps, and bomb craters stood out in the jungle and were clearly visible. As we
touched down, the first impression was one of a reddish-brown dust that seemed to be everywhere.
Then, when they opened the plane door there was a blast of very hot air and sounds of clapping and
cheering. I did not understand the clapping and cheering until I got to the door. To our right front as we
walked down the stairs from the plane there was a tin roofed open - sided building. Gathered in under
the roof was a large group of soldiers delighted to see us because our plane was about to become their
“Freedom Bird.” As soon as we got off they would load-up and be on their way home. It would be a long
time and many things would happen before I would be doing the cheering. My notes record the time as
1015 hours.
We were directed to a seating area with backless benches covered by a tin roof next to where the
leaving soldiers were located. It was very hot and it was very noisy. There was noise from those about
to get on the plane, there was the noise of forklifts moving cargo around the area where we were
sitting, and there was noise from military aircraft taking off and landing.
In a short time our baggage was brought up and we loaded on busses. There were wire mess screens
welded over all the bus windows. I would come to understand such screens were installed on all US

�busses in Vietnam to keep someone from lobbing a hand grenade through an open window. We were
on our way to the 90th Replacement Detachment.

The First Few Days
The drive to the Replacement Detachment was not long. It might have taken about 15 minutes. The
Replacement Detachment was located at the edge of the Long Binh installation near the intersection of
route15 and route 316. The facility was basically a city of canvas topped sleeping huts set up to process
new arrivals to units of assignment and to process those bound for home out of country. Here I
received my unit assignment.
The replacement detachment was a busy place. I clearly recall the Headquarters, Supply, PX, Mess Hall
and the Officers Club buildings. There were others, but I was never inside of them.
All the buildings were constructed on concrete pads with wood walls that were slatted and screened
partway up. Many had tin roofs. Others had canvas roofs. The inside board was the outside board.
Nothing was finished. They were set up in rows with narrow walkways down each side and between
each one. The walkways were framed by sandbags stacked along the sides of the huts almost to where
the roof met the wall.
Showers and latrines were located at the end of each row of tents in tin covered wood framed shelters
with concrete floors. There were drainage ditches about 3 feet deep dug throughout the area to handle
rain run-off. Most walkways were metal. I think this type of construction existed on nearly all Base
Camps in country – at least at all those I visited.
I was assigned a bunk, told to change into the fatigues I was required to bring with me --- and to await
further instructions. I did not know anyone. There were at least four double-decked bunks in each hut
but there could have been more. I drew some towels and bedding from a central issue point,
showered, and changed out of my travel uniform. As there was nothing to do right away I went to the
Officer’s Club which was located near the main gate. This building at least had air conditioning so it was
a good place to be. There was a jute box which was constantly playing and one could buy drinks and
snacks. This club was also used by Officers stationed at, or passing through, Long Binh so for the first
time I got to see soldiers close up with steel pots, flack jackets and weapons. It was a strange new world.
Later I was issued jungle fatigues and combat boots at the Supply Building.
The next day, 7 November 1968, I was notified over the loudspeaker system to report to receive my
assignment. My new orders, (USARV Transient Detachment Special Order 312 dated 7 November 1968)
formally assigned me to the US Army Support Command Saigon, but I was told I would be going to the
29th General Support Group. The 29th General Support Group was a major subordinate command of the
US Army Support Command Saigon. Its headquarters were located at Long Binh.

�In the early afternoon, a Captain from the 29th General Support Group staff came by to pick me up in a
jeep. We drove to the Group Headquarters on Long Binh post. I cannot recall the Captain’s name. I do
remember being impressed by how much he seemed to know about what was going on. It was a short
ride and as you might imagine I was soaking up information from the unit signs and the facilities we
passed on the way. After being shown to a bunk and parking my gear I was given a brief orientation on
the Group Headquarters area.
The next major event of this day was that I met with the 29th General Support Group Deputy
Commander, LTC Holady C. Neafus Jr. I told LTC Neafus
I very much wanted to command a company. I explained that I was already a fairly senior Captain and
that the time available to get a command was passing me by. (I n fact I had another motivation for
wanting a command which I did not share. The Ordnance Branch had informed me during the Advanced
Course that because my Officer Efficiency Ratings were not so hot when I was a young officer I was
ranked in the lower third of my peers and it was extremely important for my career to demonstrate I
could do well in a company command position in combat.) LTC Neafus and I talked for about 30 minutes
most of which was a discussion about my past military assignments. At the end of the interview LTC
Neafus informed me that after talking with some of his staff he would, by the next day, finalize his
recommendation regarding my assignment for the 29th Support Group Commander. He never gave a
hint about my chances for getting a command.
At that time I did not know, but would later learn, that Major Donald Simpson who was then the
Commander of the Bearcat Logistical Support Activity (LSA) (Provisional) at Camp Bearcat was looking
for an officer to take command of the 590th Light Maintenance Company (Direct Support) (Divisional).
Major Simpson had already received approval from the Commander of the 29th General Support Group
to relieve the current company commander (Captain Charles O’Conner) who had not been performing
well. Major Simpson needed a replacement.
I was provided a bunk and spent the night of 7and 8 November in Long Binh at the Group Headquarters.
Here I met several officers from the 29th General Support Group Materiel Office staff and for the first
time I felt like I was somewhere I belonged. I spoke their language and understood their mission, but as
you might imagine, I spent most of my time listening.
In mid-morning of 8 November while I was in the 29th General Support Group Material Office area
soaking up as much information as possible about Group operations, I was called to the Group
Commander’s office. Here I met the 29th Support Group Commander, a Colonel McDonald and Major
Donald Simpson. They informed me that I was going to get a command and was being assigned to the
590th Light Maintenance Company at Camp Bearcat. Major Simpson would be my commanding officer.
They did not tell me the current 590th commander was being relieved. As soon as the meeting was over,
I got my gear, was given a steel pot and a flack jacket they had brought along for my use, and we loaded
in Major Simpson’s jeep for my first drive down Route 15 to “Bearcat”. Major Simpson drove the jeep
himself and his Sergeant Major George McCoy rode in the front right seat with an M16 in his lap. This
arrangement left room for me along with my gear in the back seat. The jeep had armor and sandbags on

�the floor for protection against a possible mine explosion. I had no weapon and this is the only time in
my entire tour I drove Route 15 unarmed.
The drive down to “Bearcat” was eye opening. Route 15 was basically a two lane road that ran South
out of Long Binh to the village of Long Than which was near “Bearcat” and then continued down to the
coast at Vung Tau. The road was dusty and nearly all the vehicles on it were military. There were a few
civilian villages but mostly rice fields. I would learn that his road was ours during the day but it pretty
much belonged to the VC at night.
When we arrived at the Bearcat Logistical Support Activity (LSA) Headquarters I, I, was again provided
with a temporary bunk and was introduced to some of the LSA staff officers and officers from the 1011th
S&amp;S Company. The 1011th troop living area was co-located with the LSA Headquarters living area. I met
no one from the 590th Maintenance Company. Late in the day I was asked over to Major Simpson’s
living quarters (“hooch”) to talk privately with him and his Sgt Major George McCoy about my new
command. It was here I first learned the present commander of the 590th was being relieved. I don’t
know for sure, but I suspect that Captain O’Connor got as little notice of his change in command as I did
--maybe even less.
On the morning of 9 November 1968 I rode down to the 590th with Major Simpson. As soon as I arrived,
I was introduced to the First Sergeant (Lewis Ellis) and signed Unit Order 54 assuming command. The
Company was formed up in the area between the street and the company headquarters building. It was
a beautiful clear hot day. Captain O’Conner spoke to the troops and Major Simpson then spoke
thanking Captain O’Conner for his service and introducing and welcoming me. The order was read, the
Company Guidon was passed and I was Commander of the 590th Maintenance Company (Direct Support)
(Divisional) at APO San Francisco 96530. I said a few words about being honored to lead such a fine unit.
I had never met a single person in the 590th prior to this Change of Command. I don’t think the entire
Change of Command ceremony took 20 minutes. Captain O’Connor got in Major Simpson’s jeep and
they drove off. I never saw Captain O’Connor again.
That afternoon I moved into my hooch which was my first private quarters since arriving in-country. I
drew company issue gear to include an M-16 rifle and a 45 pistol, a steel pot, a flack jacket, and then
took my first tour of the Company area and started to get to know some folks.
590th History
The 590 Maintenance Company traces its history back to World War Two. It was originally activated on
16 August 1944 in England as the 3055th Ordnance Service Composite Company. It served in France,
Belgium and Germany. It was inactivated at Camp Shanks New York, in November 1945 and reactivated
on13 December 1946 as the 3055th Ordnance Service Company in Japan. On 30 June 1947 the unit it
was redesignated the 590th Ordnance Service Company. On 15 March 1950 it was again deactivated.
On March 1, 1967 reactivation occurred under Table of Organization and Equipment (TOE) 29-138F at
Fort Lewis, Washington. On 1 September 1967 the unit deployed to Vietnam on USNS General John
Pope. The unit arrived at Bearcat (Camp Martin Cox) on 21 September 1967 and was attached to the
185th Maintenance Battalion, which was located in Long Binh. The executive officer of the 185th was my

�immediate boss when I was an instructor in the Ordnance Officer Candidate School (OCS) at Aberdeen,
Proving Ground prior to my attending the Advanced Course at Aberdeen. His name was Major Ralph
Wight. He was killed on Route 15 between Bearcat and Long Binh several months before I finished the
Advanced Course. I will say more of this later. On 25 July 1968 the 590th was released from the 185th
Maintenance Battalion and was attached to the 266th Supply and Services Battalion (DS). On 11
September 1968 the 590th was released from the 266th and attached to the Bearcat Logistical Support
Activity (Provisional) under the 29th General Support Group.
The mission of the 590th under TOE 29-138F was to provide back-up Direct Support level maintenance
and limited evacuation services to a Division and non-divisional units where no other Corps support is
available. Primary items of equipment supported for repair and repair parts are armored and wheeled
vehicles, small arms and artillery and communications equipment.( Medical, cryptographic, ADP/EAM,
aircraft, and air delivery equipment are not supported.)
590th Mission in Vietnam
At the time I assumed command the primary mission of the company was to provide support to US and
any other Free World forces operating within the Thai Infantry Division’s tactical area of operations and
to other forces as directed.(The Thai Division, known as the “Panthers”, was commonly referred to as
the ”RTVF” or Royal Thai Volunteer Force. Their Division headquarters and many of their logistics
support units were stationed at Bearcat. The Thai Division had replaced the US 9th Infantry Division as
the major ground combat unit operating out of Bearcat not long before my arrival.
Bearcat was a base camp carved out of the jungle near the town of Long Than which is on Route 15
about 10 miles Southeast of Long Binh. There were about 5,000 US forces plus the Thai Division
stationed in the area. The camp was about 2 miles long and 1 mile wide. The entire edge of the camp
was circled by a plowed up earth berm topped by bunkers and sandbags. The jungle was cleared back
from the berm for several hundred meters, and in places the area between the berm and the jungle was
mined with Claymore anti-personnel mines, which were protected with strands of barbed wire. The
bunkers were positioned so that there were interlocking fields of fire to protect the perimeter. There
were two gates to the west or Route 15 side. The Gate to the south opened to a short dirt road leading
to an airbase called K5 and then proceeded to Long Than village. The next gate to the North opened to a
longer dirt road that joined Route 15 North of Long Than village. The gate to the far North was a back
road to Long Binh that was usually closed. The talk on base was that the area the road passed through
was not safe for non-combat troops because of the
VC or VC supporters. I don’t know the truth of the talk. I never used that gate or traveled on the road.
Generally, the jungle was cleared back from these roads. (Insert: The intersection where the Northern
road from Bearcat met Route 15 was locally referred to as “Whore’s Corner”. It was a spot more
dangerous than friendly. If out too late one might occasionally receive small arms fire from the trees.

�One of the first things a new commander is sign for the Unit Fund. In my case this turned out to be a
very emotional experience. One of the signatures in the records was that of Major Ralph Wright , who
was my immediate boss for well over a year when I was teaching OCS at Aberdeen. He went to Vietnam
before I did and was assigned to a Maintenance Bn. in Long Binh to which the 590th was then assigned.
Major Wright had reviewed and approved the Unit Fund records on the day he was ambushed on the
road on his way back to Long Binh. A charge was detonated by the VC as his Jeep passed. It killed him.
He left the 590th too late in the day. He was a good mentor and friend.
It was not until 16 November 1968 that the Saigon Support Command finally got around to issuing
Special Order 321 officially directing me to report to the 590th by NLT 18 November 1968. Things did not
always follow the normal path.
It soon became apparent to me I had a tiger by the tail and as a result Major Simpson and I spent
considerable time talking about things in the early going. One evening soon after assuming command I
was at his hooch and after a discussion and a few drinks was walking back to my jeep in the dark and
managed to step off into one of those 3 foot drainage ditches for rain run-off which were so common in
base camps throughout Vietnam. When I stepped out into space and hit solid ground on the bottom or
other side of the ditch, it felt like I led with my chin. The blow nearly knocked me out and opened a
large cut in my chin that bled profusely. Sgt Major McCoy heard me cry out and led me to his hooch
where he helped to stop the bleeding and clean the cut. I still have a scar on my chin from this injury. I
may have had one too many drinks of Scotch, but the bigger problem was that I was a Vietnam rookie
not yet used to finding ditches on flat surfaces. What a welcome!!! . Thankfully, this was my only injury
during my entire tour.
The 590th was a challenge from the start. Almost nothing worked, as it should. It was not that the men
or NCOs were poorly trained – most were average or above average. They simply were not focused on
the tasks before them and on making things happen.
The Property Book maintained in the Unit Supply section of the Company which accounts for all the
government property in the unit has like tools, trucks, trailers, test equipment, desks and personal
equipment had not been updated for months. No inventories had been held. No hand receipts updated.
No adjustments made. It was a disaster. It took us six months to clean it up.
The mess hall didn’t work. During the first week there I went back in the kitchen area of the mess hall to
check the sanitation. I was horrified. They had hired some Vietnamese women to scrub the dirty pots
and trays and they were doing it in greasy water with dirty hands and little soap because the soap made
rinsing too hard and used too much water. I told the Mess Sgt (Sgt Foshe) I was going to fire the
Vietnamese and put Soldiers on a KP roster to clean up the dishes. He told me we were required to use
the Vietnamese by some outfit in Long Binh and that he thought we would have a riot on our hands if
we put soldiers on KP. I talked to the 1st Sgt (Sgt Lewis Ellis) about it and he agreed that something
should change but cited the same concerns the Mess Sgt had shared. They had talked. I thought about
it for a few days and then told the Mess Sgt to tell the women at the end of the day that they would no
longer be required. After we let them go, the soldiers initially griped about it but there was no riot.

�When they got to see how things were being done and the word got out, complaints about having to do
KP settled right down. I did receive a call from a Colonel in Long Binh whose name I no longer recall who
told me I had no authority to fire the women and directed me to hire them back. I told him how bad it
was and that once I got something official in writing I would get the doctor and everyone in the chain of
command involved if necessary to make my decision stick. He told me I would be hearing from him. I
never did.
One part of the mess hall team who was great was our baker. He was a drunk but oh how he could
bake. Every evening about 1800 he would get started on his bottle and on the dough that would
become wonderful muffins and pies and cakes. We protected him from himself and he helped the unit’s
morale. I certainly could have disciplined him and should have helped him with his drinking problem but
there was not enough time and the need for his good skills kept me from doing either. He was not a
problem. I have forgotten his name. He provided a great service for his nation.
Sgt Foshe ran the Mess Hall. He was from the south and at Christmas time his wife sent him bags of
black-eyed-peas, which he prepared for us all on New Years Day. He and I had a hard time. I was very
tough on him about sanitation because it seemed to me he was lax in this area. I had designated myself
as the Unit Mess Officer so he had no other officer to deal with in regards to his duties. I remember I
got on him one day about something fairly minor and he just broke down and cried telling me he was
doing all he could for the men and I was too hard on him. He was right. I was hard him. The men
deserved it. He was a great cook and a good man with a caring heart, but he had a hard time getting
others to do their part. I awarded him the Bronze Star when he left to go home. He was astounded.
This was the only Bronze Star I gave to an NCO while I was commander.
Maintenance operations in the company were the strong suit. The Armament Section was run by Chief
Warrant Officer William Ray. He was a crusty old soldier who had fought in Korea from start to finish –
retired and had come back for the Vietnam fight. There was not a howitzer or small arms weapon he
could not fix. He ran a tight section and trained his men well. He used to scare me half to death
because he always carried hand grenades when on the road and he used to just keep them in his room.
My fear was he would blow himself up or that someone might lose control from too much to drink or
drugs and then go to get them to do something stupid. It never happened.
The Service and Evacuation Section was run by CWO Will Horn and the Maintenance section by Sgt
Jackson. Both were seasoned leaders and technically sound. They knew their men and led them
strongly. Sgt Jackson was a black NCO who had come up the hard way. I really liked him. He used to
call me “The Beaver” because he said I really knew how “chew” someone out.
The Signal Section was run by CWO Smith. He knew his hardware cold but he was young. He was not as
strong a leader as the others, but his people were more senior and did not require much in way of
control.

�I had two other Warrant Officers who held CWO Horn and Smith’s positions but they left for CONUS
soon after I arrived and I never really got to know them. I do not recall their names.
The biggest problem area in the company was our Technical Supply Section. This is a key organization
for a maintenance unit because it provides repair parts not only to customer units but also to the other
company direct support repair sections. When I took command the officer in charge was 1LT Paul F
Lundgren. He was weak in supply knowledge and not a strong leader. To make matters worse, he had a
weak NCO working for him. I do not recall the NCO’s name. When I was assigned 2nd LT John Harb as a
Maintenance Platoon Leader, I relieved both1LT Lundgren and his NCO, and 2LT Harb became
Technical Supply Officer. He was a quick study.
The words in the written Justification for the Bronze Star Medal for Meritorious Achievement, that I
received at the end of my command time, pretty well describes the condition of customer support
when I assumed and when I left command of the 590th. The focus of the narrative is the major changes
made in support operations between October and April. The text of the Justification approved by the
Group Commander and written by the 29th General Support Group staff is quoted below in its entirety.
It says I studied harder than I really did and makes me appear to be the “doer” when in truth the troops
made it happen. The facts about what we accomplished together are right.
Bronze Star for Achievement Justification - Start
_______________________________________________________________
“1. CPT Craig E. Brodie, 097421, Ordnance Corps, United States Army, distinguished himself through an
exceptionally meritorious achievement not involving participation in aerial flight in connection with
military operations against the hostile force in the Republic of Vietnam during the period of 9 November
1968 to 10 April 1969
2. CPT Brodie assumed command of the 590th Maintenance Company (DS)
(DIV) on 9 November 1968. The previous unit commander had been relieved of command, primarily due
to the condition of the mechanized technical supply activity. Numerous deficiencies persisted for some
time despite frequent Group staff visits and daily intensive management interests on the part of the
Group commander. Specifically, the following deficiencies existed:
(1) A growing backlog of about 37 multipack receipts, some of which were more than 40 days
old;

(2) Many of the NCR 500 programs required to update ledgers were not in use and others were
being run out of sequence causing frustration to machine logic and multiplication of errors
posted to the stock ledgers;

(3) The physical storage locations were so inconsistent with the stock locator deck that an
inventory accuracy check could not even be conducted (A 1st Log Command Project Count 1

�inventory accuracy check team arriving in late October at the 590th rescheduled that visit
due to inability to locate sufficient stock to count for a statistical sample);

(4) Specific procedures for conducting location surveys and inventories published by Group
were being violated;
(5) Customers of the 590th Maintenance Company were complaining directly to Group about
their lack of support from the 590th;

(6) No action had been taken to retrograde approximately 50 tons of serviceable excesses
declared in July 1968;

(7) No action had been taken to implement the nine digit location system as was directed in
September;

(8) During staff visits the number of personnel physically on hand working in the tech supply
activity and the number of personnel assigned to company details could not be reconciled
with the number assigned.

3. During the first 10 days after assuming command CPT Brodie corrected and completed the
processing of the entire receipts backlog of 37 multipacks. After requesting a technical assistance
visit from the Group staff , he developed a plan and established priorities for a technical supply
activity improvement plan. At this time the 590th Maintenance Company received a 1st Log
Command Instruct/Inspect team visit. This inspection came approximately two weeks after CPT
Brodie assumed command. The team remained in the unit for seven days. The I/I team report was
comprehensive and the general conclusion was that the effectiveness of the 590th technical supply
activity was marginal. CPT Brodie used this report as a supplementary management tool making his
improvement program more detailed.

4. CPT Brodie found it necessary to relieve the Tech Supply officer and NCO. He replaced the officer
with a new 2nd LT who had no supply training or experience. No trained NCO could be obtained.
CPT Brodie worked extensively with the new 2LT who became proficient under CPT Brodie’s
experience and skill. All personnel in the tech supply activity became more proficient and motivated
as a result of CPT Brodie’s leadership, interest and instruction. CPT Brodie provided detailed
instructions to all personnel in the Tech Supply activity. He was able to do this because he spent
many hours late at night studying the TMs and regulations governing the operation of the
mechanized (NCR 500) DSU supply activity. By applying knowledge gained from this study and staff
and I/I team visits combined with his experience and leadership ability, he was able to instruct and
motivate each man in the activity.

�5. By December 1968, with less than a month in Command, CPT Brodie had succeeded in retrograding
the more than 50 tons of serviceable excess that had been on hand since July 1968l During this
same time he directed a complete location survey implementing the nine digit location system in
the process.

6. CPT Brodie placed the stock control section on strict computer program sequence making each
update cycle complete and accurate. He reorganized the document flow through the receiving
storage and stock control sections and established controls to preclude the loss of documents and
accounting errors resulting from faulty sequence of document processing. As soon as all sections of
the Technical Supply activity were using the current procedures, CPT Brodie directed another
complete location survey and inventory to screen out errors occurring during the process of
implementing correct procedures.

7. With his technical supply running activity smoothly, CPT Brodie turned his attention to managing his
ASL stockage position. Concentrating on zero balances with dues out, he developed an aggressive
program using RBX procedures on critical repair parts at zero balance with dues out. The results of
this project combined with a tightly controlled and compressed program cycle was an increase in
the rate of receipts from 180 in October 1968 to 2,200 in April 1969. The number of issues to
customers improved during this period from 390 in October to 1,300 in April. The demand
satisfaction rose from 16% in October to 49% in April 1969 while demand accommodation was
increased from 61% to 80% during this same period. CPT Brodie increased the number of
operational hours on the NCR 500 from 51 per week to 114 per week average.

8. The heavy lift yard was expanded and the warehouse bins were reconstructed under CPT Brodie’s
direction to accommodate the increased amount of stock receipts and to provide more efficient
utilization of storage space.

9. When CPT Brodie had his technical supply activity stockage position in shape, he initiated an
aggressive customer assistance program. This has been manifested in visits to customer units and
instruction provided by the 590th editing section. CPT Brodie brought the 590th Maintenance
Company technical supply activity from a rated seventh and last in the Group in October 1968 to
first and best of the 11 operating in April 1969. The I/I team from the 1st Log Command conducted a
return visit to the 590th Maintenance Company in April. The I/I team declared the 590th technical
supply activity the most improved in Vietnam, one of the best in country. CPT Brodie achieved this
remarkable success in his Technical Supply activity while at the same time improving and
maintaining all other sections of his company. This is evidenced in the maintenance portion of the
April 1969 1ST Log Command I/I team report, the highly satisfactory grade received by the 590th on
the annual 1st Log Command CMMI and the satisfactory mark on the AGI and the SSC maintenance
survey team reports.

10. Through his professional knowledge outstanding managerial ability, untiring diligence, and his
especially perceptive leadership, CPT Brodie has wrought achievements reflecting great credit upon
himself, his unit, the 29th GS group and the U.S. Army.”

�Bronze Star for Achievement Justification – End

Other Events and Happenings

Rocket Attacks – There were several rocket attacks but thankfully no one in the Company was injured.
Everyone had an assigned bunker to go to when attacked. Sometimes we would get warning of a
pending attack and sometimes it was a surprise. We would feed in small groups when warned of or
under attack.
One surprise attack I clearly recall. On nights when LSA Operations declared “all clear” many soldiers
would gather to watch movies. February 23, 1969, was thought to “clear” so we had a movie in our
company outdoor theater. When the movie ended, the men dispersed . About 10 minutes later a 107
MM rocket landed right in the center of the place they had been gathered. There was no prior warning
of attack. No one was hurt. We were lucky and blessed. I have pictures of rocket warhead parts found
following this attack. The next day a rocket landed in the 1011th S&amp;S Company area killing two 1011th
soldiers, wounding others and causing considerable damage. There were other rocket and mortar
attacks but no soldier from the 590th was wounded or killed when I was the commander.
Animals –One day I was walking through a troop bunk area when a monkey leaped on my shoulder and
bit me. I grabbed his neck – he had a collar—got my driver and drove to the Vet. It turned out my skin
was not broken and Monkey did not have rabies. Thankfully, it was only scary. Rabies were a very real
problem on Bearcat.. About once every three months or so all loose animals inside the camp were
hunted down and killed. A funny --- A soldier bought what he thought was a very special dog with
leopard spots from a Vietnamese boy. He paid a high price. It turned out the dog was not so special. The
spots were a paint job.
On May 10th 1969 I ended my time as commander of the 590th in a change of command much like the
one when I assumed command. As usual orders followed later. I was in command for 6 Months and 1
day. This was a normal company command tour in Vietnam. They tried to make changes every six
months so that as many officers as possible would get a chance to command during a time of war.
My first award of the Bronze Star was for Meritorious Achievement and it was announced on 9 June
1969 in US Army Support Command, Saigon Special Orders 653 for the period of duty extending from 9
November 1689 to 10 April 1968. The specific accomplishments were those identified in the
Jjustification for the award included above.

�Material Officer Bearcat LSA
Once again my reassignment orders do not reflect what actually happened. US Army Support Command
Special Orders 150 dated 30 May 1969 reassigned me from the 590th to Headquarters 29th General
Support Group in Long Binh. There had been considerable discussion about my moving to the Materiel
Office staff in Long Binh and I thought it was going to happen but in fact I never went there. I think
Colonel Carter who was then commanding Bearcat LSA (Provisional) prevailed with the Group to keep
me. In any case Special Orders 168 issued by the US Army Support Command Saigon dated 16 June
1969 officially assigned me as a Material Officer at Bearcat LSA with an effective date of 20 May 1969.

Nature of the new job
My time as Material Officer on the Bearcat LSA staff seemed anticlimactic after having commanded the
590th . Duties were more mundane. Responsibilities involved visiting units, data collection, report
writing, working with the 29th Support Group on maintenance and supply issues, writing directives for
the LSA commander and units and of course preparing briefings. Except for unit visits the responsibilities
were fairly “dull stuff “ after command. My duties were further complicated by the fact that the LSA
Commander, LTC Carter, did not want me messing around in actions involving the 590th. . This was a
tough restriction because the 590th was performing about half of the LSA maintenance and related
supply support mission. As a result I was only in the 590th company area a few times after leaving
command. Social contact initiated by 590th folks did take place and softened the isolation. There was
another Maintenance Company in the LSA with which I could ,and did, work with freely and often. That
helped.
This section of my story is much less detailed because the majority of my time was spent gathering,
analyzing and presenting data and /or pushing paper. There were, however, some events I clearly
remember.
One that stands out is my first trip to Blackhorse Base Camp to visit the 551st LT Maintenance Company.
We flew in Huey and because enemy fire was common between Bearcat and Blackhorse the pilot flew
just above the treetops. This particular pilot had been up North where he had been shot at often. It was
only my second or third ride in a chopper and none in the past were even close to being as scary. At the
time I remember thinking it might be less risky to take a chance with the enemy than the top of some
trees.--- but the choice was not mine.. In any case we made it safely but I was scared enough to look for
another ride back to Bearcat and found one. It was not scary.
In addition to maintenance and supply he 551st also supported a Graves Registration section assigned to
the LSA which was regularly visited by LSA staff going to Black Horse. My first staff visit was my first
experience with how the remains of those who fall in battle are handled. To this day I remain impressed
with the respect shown and the careful and gentle processing of the bodies and personal effects I
witnessed during visits. After initial processing , the bodies were flown out – I think to either Saigon or
Bien Hoa for transport home.

�Another experience I had involving operations at Blackhorse was the time we drove rather than take a
chopper. I no longer recall the reason we had to drive but it was not normal to do that as there was VC
activity all around Blackhorse. We went in a Jeep. I was the only officer. There were three NCOs
whose names I do not recall. We left from Bearcat, went through Long Binh, to Xuan Loc, and then to
Blackhorse. The trip up was uneventful as I have no memory other than stopping in Xuan Loc to see
where an artillery unit had fired 105MM Howitzers at point blank range with “beehive” rounds and still
were overrun. It was the return trip that was scary. It was getting late in the day and we were pushing
the Jeep along when the engine cut out – and we were stopped dead in the road in the middle of a
rubber plantation. No other vehicles were nearby and it was too late and too far to walk to where we
knew there were troops. One NCO went to working on the engine and three of us set up a perimeter in
case some VC showed up. It was so quiet . I will never forget it. Finally , after about 20 minutes , the
Jeep engine started and we were out of there!!! A wire in the distributer turned out to be the problem.
We were very, very lucky.
I took an R&amp;R to Hong Kong in September of 1969. I called Lil at home after staying in a warm shower for
about an hour. It was during this phone call that I learned of her Dad’s battle with cancer and the
expectation of his death. Hard stuff for both of us. Mostly I did some sightseeing and shopping and
resting. I bought Lil some lovely cloth which she would make into a dress after I got home.
My second award (First Oak Leaf Cluster) of the Bronze Star medal was announced on 26 September
1969 in US Army Support Command, Saigon General Orders 1252. This award for Meritorious Service
covered the period November 1968 – October 1969. This was a standard award given to Officers who
performed well in support of combat operations throughout their tour of duty in Vietnam.

Coming Home

On 9 September 1969 US Army Support Command, Saigon issued Special Orders 252 directing my
reassignment from Vietnam to the US Army Ammunition Procurement and Supply Agency in Joliet,
Illinois. My date for leaving Vietnam was established as 3 November 1969 with a reporting date in Joliet
of NLT 8
December 1969. These orders allowed me 66 lbs of air baggage and an additional 134 lbs of excess
baggage. I was to report to the Replacement Detachment NLT 24 hours prior to aircraft departure with
my ID Card, ID Tags, shot record and 8 malaria pills.
US Army Support Command modified my original reassignment orders: Saigon Special Orders 281 dated
8 October 1969. These orders adjusted my Vietnam departure date to 27 October 1969 and my Joliet,
Illinois reporting date to 1 December 1969.

�I left Bearcat for the last time at 0900 hrs on October 26, 1969. We went by jeep to the USARV
Replacement Detachment. We got there about 1000 hrs. I was back where I had started. I was wearing
my combat uniform. My weapon and steel pot and flack jacket were taken back to the supply room at
Bearcat. I processed out and spent the night.
The next day, October 27, 1969, I took a shower in the afternoon. I threw out all my fatigue clothes - my
hat, uniform, boots – everything -- and put on the uniform I wore on the way in to Vietnam. I had not
worn it in a year except to try it on to be sure it still fit. We got on the bus and at about 1600 hrs we got
to the airfield at Bien Hoa. Same building and the same distractions as when I arrived, only this time the
focus was on the plane approaching the departure point. My freedom bird! We cheered the new
arrivals and boarded. We lifted off about 1700 hrs. Our flight this time went to Kyota Japan and then to
Anchorage Alaska, where we were greeted in the gate area by of group of women who also provided
home-made cookies and coffee for all. What a kindness. Then we were off to Travis Air Force Base. We
arrived in Travis just before midnight on 27 October 1969. I called Lil and Carol and a group of us took a
Taxi to San Francisco International Airport. Carol and her new husband Greg met me and we went to
their apartment in San Jose. I again called Lil and had a short rest.
We arose early and I put on civilian clothes because at Travis we were told flying in uniform might result
in harassment by members of the peace movement. By 0800 Greg, Carol and I were back in San
Francisco at the airport to catch my flight bound for Chicago. I arrived at O’Hare at about 1400 in the
afternoon, Called Li, and put on my uniform. I flew out of Chicago at about 1530 and arrived in
Kalazamoo at about 1615 in the afternoon. Lil met me and drove me to our apartment at 3485
Kenbrook Court where I saw my son Keith for the first time. He was then 5 ?? months old. My first
words to him were ”aren’t you something.”
I had made the journey. It is a part of my life forever.

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                    <text>Grand Valley State University
Veterans History Project
Daniel Broe
Vietnam War
Interview Length: (02:33:14:00)
Pre-enlistment / Training (00:00:18:00)
 Broe was born in Allegan, Michigan in 1949 and has spent most of his life living in the
West Michigan area; in fact, Broe’s service time was the only extended period where he
did not live in West Michigan (00:00:18:00)
o Broe’s parents divorced when he was very young and his mother re-married in
1955, with her new husband owning a forty-acre farm (00:00:41:00)
o However, with the addition of Broe’s mother plus Broe and his brother, the farm
could not longer provide for the family, so their step-father took a job working at
a factory in Holland, Michigan (00:01:02:00)
 Broe’s step-father eventually left the factory and found work as a truck
driver (00:01:15:00)
 In the meantime, Broe’s mother stayed at home (00:01:20:00)
o Broe completed high school, although very reluctantly; Broe was disillusioned
with high school very early on, which made it difficult for Broe to keep up with
his classmates or to do anything (00:01:27:00)
 While Broe was attending high school, he also had a job working at a
grocery store, a job he held for about nine or ten months after he graduated
from high school (00:01:43:00)
 However, Broe eventually wanted to earn more money, so he took up welding and went
to work for a company in Holland that made ½-ton military trailers (00:02:06:00)
 Broe eventually moved on from the company that made the military trailers to a company
making luxury yachts and he was working at the yacht company when he finally received
his draft notice (00:02:32:00)
o Broe’s draft notice came around February/March of 1969 (00:02:53:00)
 When he received his draft notice, Broe had been keeping up to date on the Vietnam war
via the nightly six o’clock news casts (00:03:04:00)
o While Broe was still in high school, two men from Allegan went over to Vietnam
and were both killed in action; because Allegan was a small town at the time,
having two men killed brought the attention of every in the town (00:03:20:00)
o Although not everyone in the town openly talked about the war, they were all
acutely aware that there was a draft and that the young men in the town were
become eligible for it (00:03:52:00)
o Broe himself did not have an extensive personal view of the war or what he would
do when he received his own draft notice (00:04:19:00)
 The thought of going to war was, at the same time, both scary and
romanticized for Broe (00:04:22:00)
 Broe knew it was coming and he had determined that at the very least, he
was not going to run from it (00:04:42:00)

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As well, part of Broe viewed his being drafted as one less person being
drafted from Allegan who might have leanings towards family; Broe
himself had always been a loner, so leaving for the military was not a
problem (00:04:54:00)
o On the other hand, Broe did not know too much about why exactly the United
States was in Vietnam to begin with; he would see the rumors in the newspaper
and hear about them from the news casts that said the United Stated was stopping
the spread of communism or protecting financial interests, etc. (00:05:19:00)
 Deep down, Broe knew it was probably a combination of all those things
but which rumor he heard depended on which speech was being given that
particular day (00:05:45:00)
o At the time, the young men were all looking for different ways to avoid the draft
and when Broe looked at them for himself, they did not seem practical; things
such as moving to Canada did not seem reasonable, especially with the stories that
the government would eventually come after them (00:06:05:00)
When Broe first turned eighteen, he had to go to a physical a couple of weeks after he
registered for the draft; for the physical, Broe had to go to Detroit, Michigan for two or
three days (00:06:51:00)
o The night before the physical, all the young men went out on the town and the
bars in Detroit were not shy about allowing them to drink, even though they were
underage (00:07:28:00)
o Several of the men tried to get their blood pressure to the correct level so that they
would not have to serve (00:07:40:00)
Once Broe received his draft notice, he returned to Detroit and joined a group of around
forty or fifty other men who were being screened in on that particular day (00:08:03:00)
o The men were told to line up and start counting off by five, which started the
biggest scramble, with everybody trying to do a really quick count and cut into
the line (00:08:33:00)
 Broe thought the whole sequence was ridiculous, so he stood his ground
and was the number five in the line (00:08:54:00)
o After everyone had counted off, the men were told to sit down and then, the
names of individual recruits were called out and those recruits went into rooms
that surround the large room where the group was (00:09:01:00)
 Then, a group of eight names was called out at the same time, with Broe’s
name being the first (00:09:25:00)
o The group of eight recruits were taking from the main room into a smaller
conference room, where an Army PFC (Private, First Class) eventually came in
and said the eight had been selected for the Marine Corps (00:09:30:00)
 The PFC asked if any of the men had a serious objection to serving in the
Marine Corps and Broe, being a smart-ass, raised his hand and said,
because he did not want to (00:09:51:00)
 The PFC gave the men a rundown of what was going to happen and what
the men would be doing for the rest of the day (00:10:10:00)
 All the Army recruits were waiting for their transportation and
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from Allegan outside, policing the area surrounding the building
for used cigarette butts (00:10:17:00)
 Broe’s group kept together and moved from room to room, where they did
things such as being officially sworn into the Marines (00:10:35:00)
 The one selection that the men did have was choosing between going
through training at Parris Island, South Carolina or at San Diego,
California (00:10:49:00)
 There was a black man in the group and he said he wanted to go to
Parris Island because it was closer to home; however, Broe told the
man that he figured the Marines did it differently than the Army
and they would not be coming home as much (00:10:57:00)
 The PFC backed up Broe but said he could not split the group up;
when Broe said he wanted to nice weather in San Diego, the other
men in the group agreed (00:11:13:00)
After they finished the initial stages, the group of eight boarded a bus that took them to
the Detroit Metro airport, where they first flew to Chicago then on to San Diego, where
they arrived late in the evening (00:11:38:00)
o When the group first arrived at the airport, either a first sergeant or a master
sergeant was there to greet the men; the sergeant ordered the men into a line, told
them that when they were given the order to move, they would step off with their
right foot, and they would not speak unless spoken to (00:12:27:00)
 There were other people in the airport who were watching the entire
sequence in awe of what was happening (00:13:01:00)
 Although the sergeant did not yell, he was very firm in his orders and the
men knew he meant business (00:13:10:00)
o The men were marched aboard a bus and were driven to their final destination;
however, it was getting dark and the men had no way of knowing where they had
been or where they were going (00:13:20:00)
o Once the bus arrived, another Marine stood in the doorway of the bus and told the
men that when he gave the order, they would all get off the bus and woe be to the
last man off the bus (00:13:53:00)
 As well, any man who touched the Marine would get in trouble; however,
the Marine was as wide as the doors, so there was some creative twisting
by the men but inevitably, some of the men touched him (00:14:20:00)
 The entire sequence was a prelude of what was going to come; no matter
what the orders were, the men could follow them perfectly but there would
still be something wrong (00:14:39:00)
o Once the men were off the bus, they lined up and went into a building were they
took off all their civilian clothes and were assigned three sets of the basic trousers,
sweatshirts, and underwear; as well, the men all received the traditional Marine
Corps haircut (00:14:55:00)
 The whole time, the men had been instructed that they were not supposed
to talk unless something was wrong, and then, they were supposed to bring
it to the attention of the instructors (00:15:28:00)
 Every time the men completed something, they returned to the parking lot
where they had been dropped off (00:16:10:00)

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o The orientation process continued through the first night and until around midday
of the following day, when the decision was made that the men could have
something to eat (00:16:15:00)
 The men were taken to a mess hall to eat with all their equipment,
although one of the men had to stand guard over it (00:16:32:00)
 The men had to go through the ritual of everyone doing things as a unit, so
once they had gotten their food and set their trays on the table, the men all
had to sit down at the same time (00:17:12:00)
 However, all the men were tired from having gone through the
orientation the previous night and they ended up having to go
through the process of sitting down as a group about twenty times,
trying to get it right (00:17:28:00)
 Once seated, the men had to sit at attention, looking straight ahead and at
nothing else; then, when the orders was given to eat, the men got about
one fork-full of food before being told to get out (00:17:54:00)
o After “eating”, the men went back to the formation and back to the barracks to
continue going through orientation, which lasted through the remainder of the
afternoon (00:18:26:00)
 Eventually, the men were issued linens, which made Broe suspect they
would getting near beds sooner rather than later (00:18:42:00)
 The men were taken to an area filled with Quonset huts; the huts were
well-used and the men could tell that thousands of people had gone in and
out of them (00:18:55:00)
 Once in the huts, the men divided into squads and were assigned to
different squad bays (00:19:23:00)
 After the squads had their individual squad bays, the men received
instruction about how to properly make their beds (00:19:34:00)
 After they made their beds, the men went through more things, going in
and out of their Quonset huts (00:19:48:00)
 The men ended up going to sleep in the huts around one o’clock in the
morning, the following day; apart from the “meal” they had had at
midday, the men did not eat anything until breakfast (00:20:01:00)
o At the time, the men were questioning why they were doing so much but there
was a purpose behind every bit of it; if the men can survive the ordeal and grasp
those purposes, then they were successful (00:20:31:00)
At that point, the recruits’ boot camp lasted for thirteen weeks, which included two weeks
spent at nearby Camp Pendleton on the rifle range, where the men went through live-fire
training to qualify with their weapons (00:21:17:00)
o Everyone had to qualify with the weapons; every Marine was a rifleman and their
other assignments were secondary (00:21:35:00)
o The daily routine of the recruits was broken down into a morning run, followed
by breakfast then either doing drills and exercises or going to classes on
everything from maintaining their rifles to Marine Corps history (00:21:59:00)
 In the classes, the recruits were taught everything they needed to know
how to do; in some cases, the recruits would be taught something but
would not know the reasoning behind the lesson until later (00:22:45:00)

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Every day, the men did some form of physical training, which were
usually calisthenics before the morning run; the first couple of weeks, the
runs were shorter but they eventually reached their normal length of three
miles (00:23:10:00)
Broe believes he adjusted to life in the military better than some of the other recruits did;
however, he had no illusions about what military life would be like (00:23:41:00)
o Going in, Broe knew it was going to be a different experience, more physical and
more demanding (00:24:09:00)
 Deep down, Broe also knew that his only real purpose for going through
the training was to become the rifleman that every Marine recruit
eventually became (00:24:18:00)
 Broe had no illusions of what his experiences would be like and many of
the things he expected would eventually happen ended up actually
happening (00:24:28:00)
During his time in boot camp, Broe actually ended up training with two different platoons
and in one of the platoons, there was a particular recruit who felt the full wrath of the drill
instructors; everything the recruit did was wrong and he would always be singled out for
ridicule by the drill instructors (00:24:45:00)
o The platoon commander was very extreme in the training and would constantly
pick out the single recruit and it eventually reached the point that the commander
caused the recruit to be physically hurt (00:25:46:00)
o At one point, the recruits were using stamps to stamp their names into their
uniforms; the way the ink pads were set up, it was possible to get ink along the
sides of the stamp, which would leave lines on the uniform and cause trouble for
any recruit who did that (00:26:22:00)
 While they were doing the stamping, the recruits were sitting on their foot
lockers on the road outside their Quonset hut, with a 3’ or 4’ platform off
to the side where the instructor would sit (00:27:02:00)
 The one recruit screwed up the stamp and got lines, so he was called up to
the platform to have his uniform examined and the drill instructor ended
up kicking the recruit in the chest (00:27:21:00)
 At night, just before the recruits went to bed, they would stand on their
foot lockers and a drill instructors would walk behind them and tap their
lower backs; if a recruit felt he needed to go to sick bay the next morning,
he would say “yes sir” when the instructor touched his back (00:27:58:00)
 The one recruit was in another Quonset hut but on the night of the
stamping incident, the other recruits knew he was hurting from the
drill instructor’s kick (00:28:37:00)
 The recruit went to the sick bay the next morning and although the other
men did not know exactly what happened, the rumors were that the drill
instructor’s kick had cracked the recruit’s breastplate and that a Navy
doctor was investigating the incident (00:28:46:00)
o About two weeks later, the drill instructor who had kicked the recruit disappeared
as well (00:29:13:00)
 Broe ran into the drill instructor later, while in his staging unit to go
overseas, and the instructor was also on his way to Vietnam (00:29:28:00)

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Although the other drill instructors never let up on the recruits, they were not allowed to
physically touch the recruits; however, there was no way anyone could really enforce that
type of a rule (00:29:58:00)
o The instructors would get right in the recruit’s face to yell at them; if they looked
both ways before hand, then the recruit knew that the instructor was going to hit
them and most of the time, it was only a punch in the stomach (00:30:16:00)
 However, if a recruit tightened up when the instructor was about to hit
him, then things got real bad of the recruit (00:30:35:00)
There were a couple of recruits who thought they were harder than the drill instructors;
however, there is nothing harder than a Marine Corps drill instructor (00:31:01:00)
o The instructors would not tell the recruits to do anything that they themselves
could not do ten times better and if the recruits butted heads with them, the
recruits were going to lose (00:31:23:00)
o For some of the recruits, it took a long time to get that lesson through their skull
and most of the time, it took the intervention of the rest of the recruits to tell the
individual to stop; whenever one recruit would need punishment, the rest of the
platoon was punished as well (00:31:34:00)
At one point during the training, each recruit would either spend a week doing guard duty
around the San Diego depot or they would be on mess duty (00:32:08:00)
o Broe’s squad pulled mess duty and one day, the recruits were eating spaghetti for
their evening meal; the spaghetti sauce was cooked in massive containers and then
carried up to the line and dumped into serving vessels, where it was handed out to
the recruits going through line (00:32:20:00)
 Broe was serving sauce to the recruits and did not know a new container
of sauce had been brought up; he turned around, fell, his back arched over
the container and he pulled something in his lower back (00:32:52:00)
 Broe was sent to the sick bay, where doctors took x-rays and determined
that Broe needed to take it easy for a couple of weeks (00:33:13:00)
o Broe did not know how he was going to be able to do that because after the week
of either mess duty or guard duty, the recruits were headed up to the rifle range at
Camp Pendleton (00:33:26:00)
 The rest of the platoon continued on to the rifle range but Broe had to stay
in the medical rehab platoon in San Diego for two weeks (00:33:40:00)
o While with the rehab platoon, Broe was assigned to stand guard in the
motivational platoon barracks every night; although he was supposed to be
rehabilitating, Broe had to stand in a doorway every night and watch the ten to
twelve recruits in the platoon, the hard to crack cases (00:34:01:00)
 Broe was given a night stick and told that if anyone escaped, despite
having a back injury, he was supposed to chase after them (00:34:40:00)
 However, standing guard showed Broe all the stuff the recruits in the
motivational platoon went through; until then, Broe thought he had a good
idea what the disciplinary aspect of the Marine Corps was but when he
finished the guard duty, he was convinced the best thing to get back to the
training, regardless of how his back felt (00:34:55:00)
Once he had healed, Broe was assigned to another training platoon, who he stayed with
until he finished his training (00:35:30:00)

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o For the most part, the drill instructors kept the training similar for all the training
platoons (00:35:52:00)
o Broe believes that when he joined the new training platoon, he had a fresher
attitude (00:36:11:00)
In order to officially graduate from boot camp, all the recruits had to go through a
standardized physical training test and Broe did a lot better during the test than he had
done while training with his previous training platoon (00:36:24:00)
o The various drill instructors were rated based on how well their training platoon
did as a whole; however, not every recruit could do every part of the training to a
high degree (00:36:44:00)
 Broe held his own in most every part of the training but excelled in the 30’
rope climb and sit-ups, at least in repetitions per minute (00:37:01:00)
 During the standardized test, clerks would keep track of the recruit’s
progress and during his platoon’s test, there were apparently some recruits
who were weak at the rope climb, because Broe ended up climbing three
times, once for himself and once each for two other recruits (00:37:19:00)
o The same thing, recruits qualifying for other recruits, happened on the rifle range,
which amazed Broe and was the first time he noticed that there was a slight
illusion regarding the training; the drill instructors were not actually doing what
they said they were doing (00:39:01:00)
 Yes, all of the recruits would be riflemen but in some cases, the recruits
were not earning that distinction (00:39:20:00)
 Fortunately, Broe did well and qualified as “expert” on both the prequalification tests and the actual qualification tests (00:39:30:00)
 Out of a possible two-hundred-and-twenty-five points, Broe scored
two-hundred-and-twenty-two; the only deductions came on the
seated portion of the test, where Broe did not have himself
positioned correctly, which caused him to rock back and he could
not recover fast enough (00:40:03:00)
 Once Broe got back to the 500 meter line was when he did the test for
three other recruits (00:40:35:00)
 Broe fired his own series and hit them all accurately; then, he was
told to fire for another recruit, who barely had any points and
needed Broe to fire “expert” from 500 meters just to qualify at the
basic level (00:40:42:00)
 Although Broe was not sure if he could continue firing at the
“expert”-level, he did and managed to qualify all three recruits,
who were extremely grateful and made Broe a valuable pick-up for
the platoon (00:41:06:00)
o In boot camp, if a platoon picked up an individual recruit.
such as Broe, there was often suspicion about the new
recruit and in Broe’s case, he never really connected with
the other recruits until they finished qualifying at the rifle
range (00:41:24:00)

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When Broe arrived at the new platoon, the other
recruits came right out and said they did not want
any troublemakers in the platoon (00:41:57:00)
 Although Broe knew why the recruits said that, he
would have suspected that they at least give him a
little bit of time to prove himself (00:42:05:00)
 When the recruits were qualifying on the rifle range, they used the M-14
rifle; Broe did not fire an M-16 rifle until just before he went into staging
for deployment to Vietnam (00:42:27:00)
 However, even that brief period with the M-16 was only meant to
somewhat familiarize the recruits with the rifle (00:42:35:00)
Once they finished their training at San Diego, Broe and the other recruits went to Camp
Pendleton and were placed in an Infantry Training Regiment (ITR) (00:42:54:00)
o The training with the ITR consisted of field exercises and training in basic
infantry maneuvers (00:43:09:00)
o Nothing really exceptional happened until the very end of the training, when
Broe, having qualified expert, was given the choice of being able to go to either
sniper school or recon training (00:43:23:00)
 During the ITR training, Broe had seen the training at the recon school and
it looked like all it consisted of was running and carrying heavy
equipment; instead, he opted for the sniper training, although that training
turned out to be nearly the same thing (00:43:42:00)
o The one major difference was that the sniper training concentrated more on the
specific weapon, a Remington 700 sniper rifle with a 3x9 Redfield scope mounted
on it (00:44:08:00)
 Broe qualified “expert” with the rifle from 600 meters in the prone
position and earned his sniper rating (00:44:23:00)
The sniper training lasted for an additional thirty days; the actual name of the training
was scout/sniper school and the recruits learned how to be a forward observer to call in
artillery and air strikes, how to do field first aid, land navigation and all the critical things
the recruits needed to do to effective work by themselves (00:44:38:00)
o During the training, Broe was fortunate because the instructors were receiving
information from Vietnam about the situations scout/snipers were facing; as the
recruits went through a specific aspect of training, the instructors would tell them
what situations happened in Vietnam and how the training applied (00:45:28:00)
o As well, most of the instructors themselves had already served in Vietnam; if the
instructor held a higher rank, such as an E-8 or and E-9, then the recruits were not
certain what exactly the instructor’s assignment had been in Vietnam but when
the recruits would break down into small groups, those instructors were often E4s who had just returned from Vietnam (00:46:19:00)
o By working with the veteran instructors, the recruits gained a lot of confidence;
they became attune to the situations (00:47:18:00)
 Although the recruits knew there was a chance someone might not come
back, that was something they never dwelled on or even thought about to a
large extent (00:47:39:00)

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When situations developed in the field, Broe could quickly analyze what
was happening, decide what the possible outcomes might be and make a
decision based off his analysis (00:47:55:00)
 As well, training with the instructors made the recruits acutely aware of
what would be expected of them and how they needed to perform when
things happened (00:48:11:00)
Once he finished the training at Camp Pendleton, Broe returned home on a thirty-day
leave in October 1969; however, Broe was antsy and by the time the thirty days were
over, he was ready to go back (00:48:28:00)
o It really was a love-hate relationship with the Marines; the whole time he was in
training, Broe kept thinking about how he wanted to go home on leave but once
he was on leave, he was ready to go back (00:48:46:00)
o For the most part, it was hard for Broe to re-connect with the people back home in
Allegan (00:48:59:00)
 As it just so happened, there was another man from Allegan who enlisted
just after Broe was drafted and Broe met up with the man while he was
with the ITR at Camp Pendleton (00:49:03:00)
 Broe did not talk too much with the man after encountering him in the
mess hall but when Broe returned home on leave, the other man came
back around the same time (00:49:50:00)
Before actually deploying over to Vietnam, when Broe returned to California, he was
placed back in the group of scout/snipers he had trained with (00:50:28:00)
o At the time, the Americans were trying to institute the process of
Vietnaminization, where the South Vietnamese military would have greater
responsibility for the fighting, so there was a question of whether or not Broe’s
group would even deploy to Vietnam (00:50:52:00)
 However, the men had been through the training and although they were
headed for something hazardous, they still wanted to go (00:51:15:00)
o There was a delay in the deployment of the men, which made it Christmas and
Broe went to visit his brother, who he had not seen since Broe was a freshman in
high school; Broe’s brother had been a sophomore but decided to quit school and
enlist in the Navy (00:51:32:00)
 However, the brother was stationed in Vallejo, California, which was well
outside the five-hundred mile limit the men were allowed to travel in
while on leave (00:51:56:00)
 Nevertheless, Broe went to Vallejo for Christmas and still managed to
make it back in time for formation (00:52:04:00)
o When the men formed formation after Christmas, they had news that they would
deploy to Vietnam, although it was still two weeks off (00:52:14:00)
 They actually started the process of deploying Broe’s group around the
second or third week of January (00:52:28:00)
 During the twenty or so days that the men were waiting in January, there
was very little for them to do; every day, the men would fall out for a
headcount then immediately go to the bulletin board to see whether
anything had been posted (00:53:33:00)

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If nothing had been posted, the men were allowed to go off the
base and into town (00:53:50:00)
When the day finally came where they did deploy, Broe and the other Marines were
loaded on a chartered commercial airplane (00:54:10:00)
o After leaving California, the flight first went to Hawaii for half-an-hour as the
airplane re-fueled before flying to Okinawa; in Okinawa, the men packed all their
equipment into duffle bags (00:54:40:00)

Vietnam Deployment (00:55:33:00)
 The Marines stayed in Okinawa for about four days before flying into Da Nang, where
they were taken off the airplane and herded into an in-processing center (00:55:33:00)
o When they arrived at the in-processing center, it was reminiscent of that first day
in Detroit for Broe; someone was calling off names and other Marines in the
group started going in different directions (00:56:10:00)
 Broe’s group of scout/snipers was split up and assigned to several
different units; everyone’s name but Broe and another sniper were called
and at the end, those two were called up and told they were joined the 1st
Recon, which Broe had tried to avoid (00:56:17:00)
o Broe was official assigned to the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion (1st Recon) as a
scout/sniper (00:56:52:00)
 When Broe arrived in Vietnam, 1st Recon was stationed on Camp Reasoner, which was
located at the base of a mountainous ridgeline to the west of Da Nang (00:57:07:00)
o Later, Broe found out the reason the camp was built where it was, tucked in close
to the ridgeline, was because the Americans controlled the ridgeline and if the
enemy tried to launch a mortar or rocket against the base, the mortars or rockets
impacted along the ridgeline (00:57:26:00)
o 1st Recon consisted of five combat infantry companies, each with four platoons,
and a headquarters company; each company was self-sufficient and supplied its
own support and medical services (00:57:45:00)
o To get to Reasoner, Broe rode out from Da Nang in the back of an open deuceand-a-half truck (00:58:28:00)
 The whole experience was somewhat surreal for Broe; he was going into a
combat environment and he did not know what to expect (00:58:39:00)
 When Broe and the other Marines first got off the plane in Da
Nang, there was a long line leading around the airplane and the
men were told to walk on the outside of the line (00:58:45:00)
o The men figured that it was a war zone and that any
moment, they would be given a rifle and dragged off the a
battle (00:58:56:00)
 When catching the ride out to Reasoner, the truck Broe rode in
drove down the center of the road and the driver drove the truck
like there was no tomorrow (00:59:11:00)
 Getting from the airport in Da Nang out to Reasoner took about twenty
minutes to half-an-hour (01:00:01:00)
o Reasoner had a perimeter surrounding it consisting of concertina wire and guard
bunkers, with Marines standing watch day and night (01:00:16:00)

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However, most of the guards came out of the headquarters unit because
the commanders wanted the men in the actual recon companies to be able
to go on combat patrols and perform operations (01:00:29:00)
o Surprisingly, when Broe arrived at Reasoner, everyone on the base was very
open, albeit, a little guard; the others wanted to know where Broe was from and
whether he had a critical MOS (Military Occupational Specialty) (01:00:43:00)
 At that point, Broe spent most of his time watching the Marines who were
already on the base; he watched how they put stuff together, how they
organized their equipment, etc. (01:01:12:00)
 When Broe first arrived at the camp, he did not have a weapon; he had to
go to the armory and draw one (01:01:31:00)
 It was late afternoon when Broe arrived at Reasoner and the first
thing he was assigned was a sleeping area; he organized everything
in his area, including being assigned bed linens, before going to the
armory for his weapon (01:01:37:00)
o Once Broe arrived at the camp, the commanders assigned him to 2nd Platoon,
Delta Company (01:02:13:00)
 Once he had his assignment, Broe went into the platoon’s assigned area
and inside his hooch, there were ten or twelve cots arranged so that each
Marine had some personal space (01:02:25:00)
 For Broe, it was difficult to initially set up his personal space because
most everything that had belonged the previous Marines had been taken
out (01:02:54:00)
 Broe never asked what happened to the previous Marine; everyone
just acted as if the Marine had rotated home (01:03:06:00)
o If there was more to the story, then that would come out at
a later time (01:03:16:00)
 The first day was spent walking around, getting to know the other
personnel and the layout of the camp (01:03:27:00)
 Both Broe and the Marine he arrived with went to the battalion aid
station to register; that, in the event something happened to either
man, the personnel at the aid station would have all the relevant
information to treat them (01:03:48:00)
o On the second day, Broe and all the other Marines who had just arrived at the
company within the past day or two were taken to an area below the hill the camp
was built and started a session of training in how to properly operate a radio in the
field (01:04:09:00)
 Broe assumes the session was to make sure all the new arrivals were on
the same page when it came to operating the radios; having gone through
radio training extensively at the scout/sniper school, Broe already knew
everything he needed to do (01:04:37:00)
 Some of the other Marines, those who had just gone through the regular
training, had seen a radio operate but they did not know how exactly
everything worked (01:04:57:00)

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During the session, each Marine got on the radio to call in practice fire
missions; as well, they were shown the correct sequence for properly
encrypting their messages (01:05:07:00)
 The encryption capabilities amazed Broe; every day, the same
encryptions were used throughout the entire country and by every
branch of the military (01:05:28:00)
 When Broe first learned how to encrypt the message, the military
was using one method but halfway through Broe’s tour, the
military changed the method (01:06:04:00)
o For the second method, military personnel used a small
device with a letter wheel and a legend beneath that; the
way the wheel would be set determined the encryption of
the message (01:06:20:00)
 Personnel would line up the letters for a specific
day and setting those letters would set
corresponding letters for all the letters and numbers
that the personnel might need to use (01:06:40:00)
 Using the wheel method was easy once the method
was explained to the men (01:06:57:00)
 The radio training session lasted for about four or five days (01:07:03:00)
 One thing Broe observed once he had arrived at the base was the
weeks were no longer something they kept track off (01:07:08:00)
 There were no breaks granted for certain days; for example,
although there were religious services offered on the weekend,
more often than not, there was something else that the Marines
needed to do or wanted to do (01:07:20:00)
o It took about four weeks after Broe arrived at the camp be he went into the field
for the first time (01:07:47:00)
 When he finally did go into the field, being the new guy, Broe had to carry
the back-up radio and extra batteries for the primary radio (01:07:56:00)
 Broe had to set up carrying the radio and spare batteries first; then
he could determine where he would carry his own supplies, such as
food and ammunition (01:08:06:00)
 However, there was someone there who helped Broe and showed
him the best way to set everything up (01:08:18:00)
 One problem the men encountered was that the pouches on their
web gear were meant to carry M-14 magazines but by that point,
the men were carrying M-16s (01:08:28:00)
o Because the M-16 magazines were so small compared to
the M-14 magazines, the men were able to care four M-16
magazines per pouch, as well as another one tucked under
the pouch’s flap (01:08:35:00)
 For the most part, any developments in equipment went to the
Army first; however, from what Broe understands, the Army is
mainly responsible for said developments (01:08:57:00)

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During the first month, before he went into the field, Broe pulled a couple
of bunker watches; however, once he actively started going on patrol,
pulling watch stopped (01:09:36:00)
 Broe’s unit would go into the field anywhere from six to seven
days and most of the time, the unit operated in teams of around
five Marines (01:09:46:00)
o This meant Marines were constantly subbing in and out of
the teams, with the only constant usually being the squad
leader and the primary radioman (01:10:03:00)
For the moment he was told he was going into the field for the first time, Broe was on
edge; he kept thinking about whether he had his equipment organized properly in case
something went wrong (01:10:37:00)
o Broe kept going through the equipment, re-arranging different parts, making sure
there were not pinch points, etc. (01:10:55:00)
o Before being sent out, the men on the patrol would go to the mess hall but the first
time Broe was set to go on a patrol, he was not able to eat anything (01:11:14:00)
o The patrol needed to move quickly, which meant the Marines traveled light and
two hours into his first patrol, it was evident to Broe why 1st Recon trained the
way they did (01:11:32:00)
 The men were trained to stay out of sight and avoid contact with the
enemy at all costs (01:11:54:00)
 If the men did encounter something, they would normally move away
from it, not to retreat but to get to a position where they could observe the
situation and figure out what the enemy was doing (01:12:03:00)
 Ideally, if the enemy grouped in a area, the patrol would call an
artillery or air strike on the area (01:12:15:00)
o For the most part, the patrols would be flown into an area by helicopter because
the areas where they would operate, mostly looking for enemy re-supply routes,
were some distance away from Reasoner (01:12:35:00)
 Where the actual re-supply routes, the Ho Chi Minh Trail, were was
anybody’s guess because the routes were all over the place; it was a very
complex system and it was amazing to Broe how the enemy were able to
do it (01:12:50:00)
 For the most part, most of the things the enemy did looked like
they were from the stone age yet the re-supply routes were very
well coordinated; the enemy knew what their capabilities were and
what they could and could not do (01:13:04:00)
o During Broe’s first patrol, everything was pretty much quiet (01:13:13:00)
 However, the commanders wanted the new men to become acclimated to
the various situations, so Broe suspects that his first patrol was sent to an
area where another patrol had been through recently and found nothing of
significance (01:13:23:00)
 Broe and the new Marines were expected to observe and pick up
what they needed to do on a day-in/day-out basis (01:13:42:00)
o However, it did not take long, probably Broe’s third patrol, before things went
askew from the moment the patrol arrived in the designated area (01:13:58:00)

�o A patrol’s method for moving around in the field usually depended on the route
the point man picked out (01:14:17:00)
 If the point man felt secure enough to work on a trail, then the patrol
would use the trail for a little bit; however, most of the time, the men
would stay off the trails and would move parallel to them (01:14:21:00)
 However, considerations also had to be taken by the men when moving
parallel to a trail; for example, that method tended to be a lot noisier than
moving on the trail (01:14:43:00)
o During the patrols, the men were forced to carry their own food; however, the
food they carried often tended to be very simple (01:15:02:00)
 The C-Rations usually consisted of a 4oz can containing an “entrée”, a
4oz can of fruit, an a small tin of pound cake (01:15:07:00)
 For the most part, the men on the patrols would carry food that did not
need to be heated up (01:15:25:00)
 As Broe’s tour progressed, the military started experimenting more with
the use of dehydrated rations for the personnel; carrying a single pack of
dehydrated rations for each day was a lot lighter than carrying around a
bunch of can goods (01:15:34:00)
 However, by and large, the physical conditioning of the Marines who went
on the patrols was so high that the Marines could go all day without
eating, have a can of peaches at night, and be perfectly fine (01:15:56:00)
 Once they were finished with whatever they ate for the meal, the men
would bury the empty cans and garbage, mostly to make sure the enemy
did not know where they were and because carrying around and empty
came tended to make noise (01:16:06:00)
 The men also had to learn how to eat out of the can without hitting
the side of the can with their utensil, which would often make a
dull, “clunking” sound (01:16:17:00)
o Being stealthy was of the utmost importance for the Marines when they were out
on patrol; however, there were some men who tended to go a little bit overboard
in that regard (01:16:28:00)
 Broe remembers that one of the Marines was so noise conscious that he
would not turn his head because he thought it would make a noise; instead,
the Marine just rolled his eyes from side to side (01:16:38:00)
o On occasion, because he was a sniper, Broe would stay in a specific place for a
short period of time to watch a specific target; however, this only happened a
couple of times (01:17:21:00)
 There were several other times when Broe was part of a patrol and was
armed with a sniper rifle but never had to use said rifle in a traditional
sniper role (01:17:43:00)
 When Broe was armed with a sniper rifle on a patrol, he was told that the
patrol was looking for a specific individual; intelligence would say a
specific NVA officer would be in a certain area at a certain time and the
patrol would happen to be in the same area (01:18:04:00)
 The men were supposed to keep their eyes open for the NVA
officer and if an opportunity presented itself and it was practical,

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Broe had orders to engage; however, the decision of whether Broe
might engage the target ultimately remained with the squad leader
commanding the patrol (01:18:28:00)
 Sometimes, the patrol was under specific orders to find someone
and other times, it was a target of opportunity and if the men felt
they could take it, then they could take it (01:18:55:00)
 During the sniper patrols, Broe would only carry the sniper rifle and a lot
of the rifle ammunition (01:19:06:00)
 Before Broe would take the shot at the target, the other Marines on the
patrol would be strategically positioned; the other Marines would know
the shot was coming and their only assignment was watching their
assigned sector (01:19:35:00)
When Broe went out on his third patrol, he was carrying the secondary radio, plus an M16 (01:20:02:00)
o During the patrol, the men ended up accidentally walking right into the middle of
enemy base camp, not realizing they were in a base camp until they walked into
the middle of it (01:20:09:00)
o When the men realized they were in the base camp, they hit the ground and began
crawling along the trail (01:20:23:00)
 As the men crawled down the trail, Broe remembers looking up and seeing
fresh dirt bordering the bunkers the enemy had dug along a ridgeline
further up the trail (01:20:28:00)
o Strangely, there was nobody in the base camp, so the men crept through very
slowly and eventually reached the other side (01:20:40:00)
o Once the men were far enough away from the camp, they plotted the entire camp
and prepared to call in a fire mission (01:20:58:00)
o However, as the men were waiting for the squad leader and radioman to call in the
fire mission, they heard the sound of voices coming down the trail; the two enemy
were talking quite loudly, which indicated that they had no idea the Marines were
in the area (01:21:06:00)
o When one of the Marines in the platoon started getting short-time, the platoon
sergeant started messing with him, suggesting they do things that could
potentially end badly (01:21:37:00)
 As the two enemy soldiers walked past, the platoon sergeant suggested
they grab one as a prisoner (01:21:53:00)
 However, although the short-timer said it was a bad idea, both men moved
like they were going to grab one of the enemy; meanwhile, Broe moved to
a position further down to trail to block it off in case the other two did
make a move to grab one of the soldiers (01:21:03:00)
 All of a sudden, everybody was whispering for Broe to come back,
which he did (01:22:07:00)
o Broe does not know if the two enemy soldiers on the trail heard the platoon
talking or saw movement but all of sudden, the base camp became very active;
from where the men sat, it almost looked as if the enemy was trying to move
forces to flank their position (01:22:16:00)

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The men were not certain if the enemy knew the men were there but they
were sure something was up (01:22:39:00)
o The men waited until it was almost night before the platoon sergeant called in and
requested and extraction, if at all possible; the terrain around the Marines’
position made landing a helicopter impossible but the area overhead was open,
making a ladder extraction possible (01:22:44:00)
 As the men climbed up the ladder, they took fire from all the surrounding
enemy forces (01:23:23:00)
 Climbing the ladder was a bit nerve-wracking for the men because it was a
long climb to reach the helicopter (01:23:45:00)
 To do a rope extraction, a rope ladder is rolled up in the back of a CH-46
helicopter and once the helicopter is hovering over the extraction area, the
ladder is kicked out (01:23:57:00)
 Once the ladder is on the ground, the helicopter slowly pulls up, so
there is just enough ladder left on the ground for all the men to
hook onto; as soon as all the men were hooked on, the helicopter
lifted the ladder up (01:24:11:00)
 Broe has a lot of admiration for the pilots, who hovered in the area, which
made them a perfect target for anyone on the ground as the men hooked
onto the ladder (01:24:40:00)
 The harness the men used to hook to the ladder with was the first thing
they put on over their uniform; once the ladder was there, it was only a
matter of getting the D-ring out to hook on (01:25:08:00)
 From the time the helicopter arrived until it finally pulled out, it was
around four minutes, if not more (01:25:29:00)
 Although that may not seem like a long time, it was an eternity for
the pilots to be hover there (01:25:33:00)
 There were machine gunners on the helicopter and they were peppering
the area while the helicopter hovered over the extraction site; a .50-caliber
had a way of keeping the enemy’s head down (01:25:45:00)
o Broe’s first thought when the platoon sergeant suggested a ladder extraction was
apprehension; not only was the helicopter exposed while hovering but then, the
enemy knew where the men were (01:26:27:00)
Battalion Re-structuring (01:27:10:00)
 During Broe’s tour with 1st Recon, he started with Delta Company but around September
1970, there were more rumors of a down-sizing of the combat forces in Vietnam and the
five combat companies were reconstructed to two re-enforced companies, while any
Marine who was short-timer, along with the remaining parts of the battalion, rotated back
to the United States (01:27:10:00)
o Back in the United States, it was reported that a battalion had been withdrawn
when in reality, the majority of the Marines in the unit remained in Vietnam
(01:28:07:00)
 During several times, the Marines became involved in firefights and skirmishes with
enemy forces (01:28:51:00)

�o Around mid-July, Broe was part of a mission into Laos and from the moment the
men set down, the enemy knew the men were there (01:28:54:00)
 The mission devolved into a constant run, with the men moving fast,
trying to get away from the LZ, and avoiding open area because the enemy
assumed that is where the men would go for extraction (01:29:07:00)
 The men knew within a couple of hours that the patrol was not going to
last for six or seven days, so they kept moving at a steady pace; however,
they kept encounter different pockets of enemy soldiers (01:29:28:00)
 The patrol was just before Broe’s 21st birthday and for a while during the
patrol, he was not sure if he would live to see it (01:30:04:00)
 The men ran for three days steady before they finally reached an area
where they could be extracted (01:30:10:00)
 This extraction was the men’s first interaction with a helicopter
squadron nicknamed “the Purple Foxes” (01:30:23:00)
 The pilots in the squadron were very good; during the extraction,
the pilot came in so fast that when the helicopter landed, it
bounced, but the tail was open, Broe and the other men were
waiting, and they were able to hustle on (01:30:29:00)
 The men did not know what the helicopters would encounter when
the came in because they knew there was enemy in the surrounding
area, so as one of the helicopters came in, another hovered around
the extraction zone while a pair of Cobra gunships fired into the
ground around the extraction zone (01:30:47:00)
 When the men would look for a possible extraction zone, they would first
look at their map for a possible location then head towards it; however, in
most of the cases, the possible locations did not work because of the
terrain (01:31:40:00)
 Over the three days, the men scoped out six or eight different
places that could have worked (01:32:03:00)
 During the night, the men slept in shifts, with there always being at least to
men awake at all times (01:32:14:00)
 On the second night, the enemy launched a probing action against
the men’s position; however, the men did not want to have to move
in the dark, so they made believe they were not there
(01:32:27:00)
o The enemy was making so much noise that the men knew
exactly where they were (01:33:01:00)
o During the patrols where the men did have contact with the enemy, the men were
not able to gather much in the way of usable information (01:33:26:00)
 They did not want to risk the enemy getting too close just foe the sake of
being able to identify uniform markings; as well, the enemy would often
stop whatever they were doing to chase the men (01:33:26:00)
o During one patrol, the men could hear an enemy convoy in the distance but by the
time they got into the area, there was nothing around (01:33:57:00)
 In those situations, it did make the men wondering in they were being the
ones who were checked out (01:34:20:00)

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o Although his official records say Broe went on twenty-seven different patrols,
over time, he lost count of how many he did while on his tour (01:34:48:00)
o During Broe’s entire tour, his squad never took a single casualty; however, other
sections of the unit did lose some men (01:35:02:00)
 In November 1970, an entire fire team was lost during an extraction
accident (01:35:12:00)
 A helicopter came and in successfully extracted the team but
accidentally flew into the side of a mountain (01:35:17:00)
 For the next six to eight days, teams would go out and try to get
into the area where the helicopter crashed (01:35:24:00)
o The weather had initially caused the crash and it hampered
efforts by the other teams to get into the area (01:35:35:00)
o Eventually two teams were prepped to go into the area;
although the odds of there being survivors was small, the
men had no way of knowing for sure (01:35:52:00)
o The men in the hooch next to Broe’s were the ones who
actually found the fire team; Broe’s team had followed in
another helicopter in case there needed to be a bigger
perimeter while the other men worked (01:36:20:00)
o The men carried black and white cameras with them on patrols to take pictures of
any interesting intelligence; the commanders insisted the men take the pictures
using a black and white camera and if someone took pictures with a color camera,
the commanders did not want them (01:37:01:00)
o Although he was near the same place multiple times, as far as Broe can
remember, his team was never sent to the same place twice (01:37:28:00)
 However, that does not mean someone else had been there before because
on several occasions, it felt to Broe like someone else had already been
through an area (01:37:44:00)
o For the most part, the North Vietnamese soldiers that Broe and his team saw were
from a distance; however, the team was close enough to identify markings on the
soldiers’ uniforms (01:37:58:00)
o It was impressive how much firepower could be put into a specific area but it was
equally impressive when someone would stick their head out off the ground once
the attack had stopped (01:38:29:00)
Over the course of Broe’s tour, there was a fairly steady turnover amongst the other
Marines in the unit (01:38:47:00)
o Between the normal rotations and the restructuring of the unit, Broe ended up
finishing his tour with a different group of Marines than who he had started his
tour with (01:38:51:00)
o The Marines who he had started his tour with had either already rotated home or
ended up in one of the other fire teams after the unit’s restructuring (01:39:05:00)
Apart from Reasoner, the Marines from the battalion were also stationed on a hill to the
south of Da Nang to provide security for an NOD (Night Observation Device) team also
stationed on the hill (01:39:37:00)

�o The NOD team used a bulky device that mounted an early, primitive version of a
night vision scope, called a “Starlight” scope; the team had the assignment of
watching the territory surrounding the hilltop (01:39:50:00)
o To the west of the hilltop were the Que Son mountains and on several occasions,
while his team was stationed on the NOD hill to provide security, Broe would go
into the mountains for a day or two to do traditional sniper mission (01:40:07:00)
 Because people lived in those areas, there was constant movement and
picking out movement that represented an actual military target was
difficult to do (01:40:27:00)
 As well, Broe had mixed emotions about doing the missions as a result of
the first time his team was stationed on the hill (01:40:37:00)
 Before that first mission, Broe had checked out a sniper rifle and
before the team left, the lieutenant leading the mission decided he
wanted to fire the sniper rifle (01:40:46:00)
o The rifle had yet to be sighted in but Broe figured he could
get the sight in the ballpark (01:41:11:00)
 Below the hill, there were people in what the men had been told
was a free fire zone and the lieutenant, with Broe beside him using
a spotter scope, eventually picked a target somewhere at the
bottom of the hill and fired (01:41:17:00)
 Broe saw the round hit and he asked the lieutenant if the lieutenant
knew what he had been aiming at; however, the lieutenant said he
had not see the round hit (01:41:35:00)
 Bore had a rough idea of where the lieutenant was aiming, a small
clump of black dirt, so Broe began readjusting the rifle’s sights
from where he saw the bullet land to clump of dirt (01:41:50:00)
 There were three Vietnamese near the clump of dirt and they
alternated between waving frantically and squatting down to do
something (01:42:15:00)
o Squads had gone off the hill before and run into enemy
booby-traps, so the team did not know what exactly the
Vietnamese individuals were doing (01:42:24:00)
 Meanwhile, the lieutenant was trying to fire warning shots to try
and push the Vietnamese away from the area (01:42:35:00)
 With the last bullet he fired, the lieutenant ended up shooting one
of the Vietnamese, a woman, and killing her (01:43:25:00)
o When the round hit the woman, Broe had been watching
through the spotter scope and he said, “got one”; however,
the lieutenant said that he had not trying to hit anyone
(01:43:41:00)
 The exchange conflicted Broe; he had gone through all the training
and was even good enough to get the rifle to work without even
shooting but the lieutenant made it seem as though it was a bad
thing (01:43:50:00)
 As it turned out, some ARVN (South Vietnamese Army) soldiers
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incident, there was a trial during July and August, and the
lieutenant was acquitted after he convinced the tribunal that he had
not been intentionally aiming at the Vietnamese (01:44:15:00)
o However, the lieutenant was the type of officer where he
did not tell the tribunal that Broe had been adjusting the
sights on the rifle after every shot (01:44:52:00)
o Broe was eventually called to the witness stand and the
lieutenant’s defense team tried to get Broe to tell what he
had been doing while spotting the rounds (01:45:08:00)
 Although he did not realize it at the time, the one
defense lawyer was trying to get Broe to admit that
he had been adjusting the sights (01:45:28:00)
o Although the lieutenant ended up being acquitted, Broe
later found out that the defense team had been trying to get
Broe to take the blame, but the lieutenant did not want that
to happen (01:45:48:00)
 Whenever the defense of prosecution asked Broe a
question, Broe would look at the lieutenant, who
would slight nod if Broe could continue
(01:46:01:00)
 The entire situation was hard on Broe because he had been sent to
Vietnam to do a specific job but was then told he would not be able
to do said job (01:46:42:00)
 There was a sergeant stationed on the hill at the time who called Broe
bloodthirsty and tried to demonize Broe to the rest of the men; Broe does
believe that some of the men had a distrust of him as a result of the whole
incident (01:47:04:00)
 When the men went on patrols, it was strictly business but Broe
always wondered in the back of his mind, if all the chips were laid
down, how many men would actually help him (01:47:34:00)
Toward the end of Broe’s tour, after the battalion had been restructured, the men began
doing more patrols near populated areas, especially in the western part of the Que Son
mountains (01:48:19:00)
o From what Broe observed, the enemy re-supply efforts that the men had seen on
earlier patrols had been and was being used by the enemy to help fortify the
mountains (01:48:50:00)
 Actually catching the enemy re-supply was difficult because the re-supply
trails came in from all directions and it was very sporadic timing for when
the re-supplies would be brought in (01:49:04:00)
o The men would be inserted into the mountains, patrol around for a time, then walk
to one of the Marine units that had occupied nearby positions for a re-supply;
once re-supplied, the men went back into the filed (01:49:24:00)
o Although there were Vietnamese civilians working in the valleys and the men
knew the Vietnamese civilians were coming into the mountains, they never
encountered any civilians (01:49:50:00)

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Broe went on an R&amp;R in September; while he was gone, that was when the battalion reorganized, so when Broe came back, his old hooch was empty and all his stuff had been
moved to another hooch (01:50:23:00)
o For the R&amp;R, Broe ended up going to Taiwan for seven days; Broe went to
Taiwan because it was one of the only places that was available when he came in
for his R&amp;R (01:50:38:00)
 Prior to the R&amp;R, the men had known that when the rides came in, if the
men were in the field, then the Marines serving at the base had first pick
and often chose the prime destinations, such as Australia (01:51:03:00)
 Broe had no desire to take his R&amp;R to Bangkok in Thailand
because it did not sound interesting to him; Taiwan, on the other
hand, did sound interesting to Broe (01:51:18:00)
 Broe had a very good time in Taiwan and spent most of the time with a
young lady he was hooked up with; the young lady turned out to be a very
intelligent individual (01:51:34:00)
 Prior to going on the R&amp;R, Broe drew all the money he could from
the books in terms of pay, around $750, and when he arrived in
Taiwan, the young lady asked if Broe trusted her; Broe said he did
and she told him to give her the money (01:51:49:00)
 By the end of the seven days, all Broe’s money was gone, which
he knew would happen, but the young lady had set up an entire
itinerary for herself and Broe, places to go and things to see
(01:52:07:00)
 During the seven days on leave, although Broe was in a place where there
was not the possibility that people would be shooting at him, he still
worried about it (01:52:38:00)
 He was still checking around himself all the time because even in
Taiwan, he was in a land of short, oriental people who he did not
know (01:52:41:00)
On Reasoner, there were some South Vietnamese civilians who came and went each day
from the camp (01:53:01:00)
o However, Broe had very little interaction with the civilians because he was going
on and off the camp so much and whenever he was actually on the camp, he was
either sleeping, grabbing some food, or getting his equipment squared away for
the next mission (01:53:13:00)
o Broe himself never had too much in the way of interaction with the civilian
population (01:53:41:00)
There was not really any tension between the men who went out on the patrols and the
men who stayed behind on the camp (01:54:22:00)
o Everyone who stayed behind on the camp had a job to do and how well they did
their job determined how well the patrols did (01:54:27:00)
 At one point, Broe heard a statistic that for every one man in the field, it
took ten to twelve men in the rear to support him; from what Broe
observed, of all the men who deployed to Vietnam, only a relatively small
portion of the men were actually in combat (01:54:37:00)

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o All the men in the battalion were very professional and very good at doing their
jobs properly (01:55:05:00)
 The other men were always willing to answer questions that the other men
might have; Broe has seen the movies where the older men pushed away
the younger men but he personally never saw that happen (01:55:12:00)
 Everyone seemed more than willing to answer a question or help another
person do something that would help the others (01:55:36:00)
There were some black men and Hispanic men in Broe’s unit (01:55:56:00)
o For the most part, Broe’s unit did not have the racial tensions that others talked
about happening in other units (01:56:26:00)
o The minorities in the unit knew their job, were eager and willing to help if
possible, and wanted to be able to depend on the other men when needed and vice
versa (01:56:33:00)
When Broe first joined the unit, there was a young Marine already there who was into
using speed, a clear liquid drug in a bottle, and was high all the time (01:57:10:00)
o The Marine was never used in any type of a combat situation, nor did he ever
have to pull guard duty (01:57:28:00)
o To Broe, it looked as though everyone knew the Marine was a drug addict but
instead of doing something about him, the other Marines just avoided interacting
with him (01:57:45:00)
o As far as drug use amongst the other soldiers, although Bore figures there was
some, he did not deal with it and nobody in his hooch dealt with it; if somebody in
the hooch did use drugs, then he went away from the hooch (01:57:53:00)
The unit Broe belonged to was very good and the men were a very tight-knit group, even
if they did not work together all the time (01:58:49:00)
o Any time another fire team got shot up and needed to be brought back at night,
the man in charge of the mess hall had his whole crew in the mess hall, ready with
hot food for the fire team (01:59:06:00)
 Nobody openly ordered the man to do this and it was not something
required to be done; the man just did it and none of his men complained,
even if they had gone to sleep only an hour before (01:59:24:00)
During his tour, Broe wrote to his family on occasion but it was very hard to do so, given
the nature of the missions he was doing; he could not say a lot about what was going on
during the fighting (01:59:58:00)
o At one point, Broe was able to call home using a system consisting of the field
phone in the company headquarters plus a series of HAM radios (02:00:12:00)
 The conversation was just like talking on a normal radio for Broe,
although it was difficult for his parents because they did not understand
the reason why they needed to say “over” every time they finished saying
something (02:00:34:00)
 When Broe called home, he found out his father had been let go from him
job, so he tried to figure out if his parents wanted him to re-route his Army
pay to them (02:00:50:00)
 However, his parents did not want him to do that and by the time
Broe rotated home, his father had already established himself in a
new job (02:01:12:00)

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During the tour, Bore had a bout of jungle rot across his lower back where his equipment
kept rubbing all the time; the equipment would rub against the jungle rot and open up the
wounds (02:01:45:00)
o Broe would go to the senior corpsman before a patrol and the corpsman would
take Broe to an aid station, where the staff covered the wounds with bandages
(02:01:54:00)
 However, once Broe was in the field and began sweating, the bandages
inevitably fell off (02:02:18:00)
o When Broe first arrived, he and the other men were given malaria pills and salt
pills but all of a sudden, the pills were stopped (02:02:35:00)
 The salt pills were meant to be taken by the soldiers who were in the field
and sweating a lot but for some reason, the philosophy regarding the use
of the pills changed (02:02:52:00)
The men in Broe’s unit heard about the shooting at Kent State from a man who joined the
unit after the shooting (02:03:48:00)
o However, Bore does not recall every hearing about the shooting on the Armed
Forces radio; however, he very seldom listened to it regardless (02:04:07:00)
o Broe did not know about the Apollo 13 disaster until 1974, when he just happened
to hear the story; he ended up having to go and look for information about the
disaster because he had heard nothing about it (02:04:16:00)
o When he read about Apollo 13 and other stories, Bore sarcastically understands
why people were not paying attention to what was happening with the men
fighting in Vietnam (02:04:43:00)

End of Tour / Post-Military Life / Reflections (02:04:56:00)
 When it got to the end of his tour, Broe had a short-timer's calendar and he was counting
down the days until he could go home; as Broe’s tour wound down to a close, the duties
and assignment he had to do changed (02:04:56:00)
o In January 1971, Broe mainly did radio relay work, although the re-assignment
was largely due to a patrol Broe had been on around Christmastime (02:05:28:00)
 During the patrol, the men came under enemy fire from across a nearby
rice paddy; the men hit the ground and started looking in different
directions to see if they could spot where exactly the enemy fire had come
from (02:05:42:00)
 As Broe was laying on the ground with the bullets flying over his head, he
lamented the fact that he had come under fire so close to the end of his
tour (02:05:54:00)
 Broe is not sure whether it was the lieutenant leading the patrol or a
sergeant who was also on the patrol, but one of them asked that Broe be
pulled out of the field (02:06:21:00)
 However, whoever made the suggestion also knew Broe would not
like not being in the field at all, so he was placed on a hill in the
middle of nowhere as part of a radio relay team (02:06:33:00)
 While with the radio relay team, other men in the team stood watch while
Broe operated the radios for eight hours (02:06:48:00)

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A couple of times, Broe’s old fire team in 1st Recon was out in the
field and they would give a sit-rep (situation report) to Broe, who
then relayed the information to the command post (02:07:05:00)
 The radios that the fire teams used had a limited range but Broe’s
radio was within range of both the fire teams’ radio and the radios
at the command post (02:07:27:00)
 Working with the radios was interesting because it gave Broe a
refresher course in the complexity of supporting units who were in
the field (02:07:38:00)
o At times, it was frustrating for Broe because in his case,
whenever something would happen to a fire team in the
field, he knew what the men were going through and how
they were constantly running while still trying to keep track
of where they were (02:07:49:00)
o However, Broe is now the person constantly asking for an
update, although he knew full well that was the last thing
the men wanted to hear (02:08:08:00)
 As far as Broe knows, there was never any problem with the
enemy intercepting the messages (02:08:28:00)
o The men were told that there was always the possibility that
the enemy were listening; however, the encryption codes
for the messages changed every day (02:08:33:00)
 From what Broe believes, the NVA and Viet Cong
had their own set plan and they only attacked the
Americans when the Americans happened to get in
the way of those plans (02:08:51:00)
 Broe believes it became less important for
the NVA and Viet Cong to probe the large
bases to find information (02:09:14:00)
 Broe thinks that although the enemy
continued building up their soldiers, they did
it in the back, out of the way of the
Americans, who were on their way out of
the Vietnam (02:10:01:00)
As it turned out, Broe’s tour ended up being a week short of the normal twelve months a
tour lasted; during his last week, although Broe was still considered overseas, he was in
transit back to the United States and was on Okinawa (02:10:27:00)
o When the time came for him to actually leave Vietnam, Broe was given a threeday notice beforehand as to when exactly he would be leaving (02:10:49:00)
 Broe knew his year was coming up and he knew that his commander
knew, mostly because he kept reminding them (02:10:58:00)
o Once the day finally came, Broe was driven from Reasoner back to Da Nang so
he could catch a flight out (02:11:13:00)
 During the out-processing, all the men were allowed to go through
“amnesty”; each man was allowed to go into a private booth with a pair of

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barrels inside and throw any contraband they wanted into the barrels, no
questions asked (02:11:18:00)
 However, once a man got past the booth, if he was caught with any
contraband on him, he was in trouble (02:11:38:00)
 Contraband consisted of any weapons, drugs being trafficked out,
certain types of souvenirs, ammunition, etc. (02:11:51:00)
 It had already been made clear to the men what was contraband
and the amnesty booths was their last chance to get rid of any
contraband items (02:12:18:00)
 When Broe left Reasoner, he left most of his stuff behind in his hooch to
begin with (02:12:22:00)
 He physically did go to turn in his M-16 at the armory; he had
turned in the sniper rifle about a month before, when he had been
placed on the radio relay team (02:12:30:00)
o After leaving Vietnam, Broe went Okinawa and spent another three or four days
getting all the equipment he had left there when he first went into Vietnam at the
beginning of his tour (02:12:51:00)
 However, a typhoon had come through and soaked the equipment that had
been left behind, so it was packed into cardboard boxes; when the men
opened up the boxes, everything was a mess (02:12:58:00)
 All the men were issued new dress uniforms and the whole time, Broe is
wondering why he has to receive the uniforms because he was getting out
when he got back to the United States (02:13:19:00)
 The military was offering an early-out to anyone who had less than
one-hundred-and-twenty days remaining on his enlistment when he
returned to the United States; Broe figured when he got back, he
would have ninety-one days remaining on his tour (02:13:38:00)
 Ultimately, Broe was able to return home with some souvenirs he thought
were important, such as a couple of papers (02:14:13:00)
All in all, Vietnam was a very weird country; it was hot, but the men were always cold, it
rained constantly but it was always dry, the whole country had a smell that, thankfully,
Broe has been unable to find duplicated in the United States (02:14:17:00)
o The minute the door opened on the airplane in Da Nang when Broe first arrived,
the air became thick and heavy and there was an odor in the air that was
noticeable but the men could not figure out what was causing it (02:14:45:00)
 Nevertheless, to a certain extent, all the men eventually became used to
the odor; however, the further the men moved into the field, the more the
odor was replaced by the smell of vegetation (02:15:05:00)
 While in the field, as the men would approach a village, they could
smell the burning wood from the fires (02:15:31:00)
The flight home from Vietnam to Okinawa and then to the United States was aboard
another commercial airplane (02:16:25:00)
o When the men were first boarding the airplane in Vietnam, everyone was quiet
and everyone was sweating; everyone tensed up when the door of the airplane
closed and there was a “thump” sound (02:16:31:00)

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o Everyone sat quietly until the wheels of the airplane left the ground; after that,
everyone let out a cheer and went nuts (02:16:55:00)
Once back in the United States, Broe was taken to an area of Camp Pendleton, although
he is not positive where on the camp it was (02:17:26:00)
o Broe and the other men spent four days in the area as they went through the
procedure of out-processing paperwork (02:17:45:00)
 The whole process was very loose; when the men first went into their
barracks, they tried to store their gear in an orderly manner, out of fear of
an inspection, but none ever happened (02:18:13:00)
o Re-enlisting was talked about to the degree that if someone was thinking about reenlisting, they were told who they needed to go see; for a couple of days, Broe
himself seriously considered re-enlisting (02:18:46:00)
 At one point, he asked a staff sergeant what the possibilities were that
Broe would go back to 1st Recon and the staff sergeant said it was highly
unlikely Broe would be assigned to the same unit (02:19:04:00)
 When he heard he would probably not rejoin 1st Recon, Broe
became more hesitant about re-enlisting (02:19:19:00)
 At first, Broe asked the staff sergeant the likelihood he would be
sent back to Vietnam regardless and the staff sergeant said it was
very high; although the Americans were pulling out, because Broe
was an E-4 with combat experience, he was a sought after
commodity (02:19:25:00)
o What the sergeant did not tell Broe and what Broe found
out later was he gone back, he likely would have been
given a relatively safe, non-combat position (02:19:43:00)
 However, Broe would have not cared for a non-combat position, so
he is glad he ultimately decided not to re-enlist (02:19:51:00)
After he finished out-processing and left Camp Pendleton, Broe returned to Michigan by
way of Chicago, which was experiencing a series of bad snow storms (02:20:05:00)
Once he got home, Broe did nothing for about a week-and-a-half before he went to try
and get his job back at the yacht-making company (02:21:04:00)
 However, the manager in charge of personnel told him the company was
going through severe cut backs and even if Broe had stayed, he would
have been let go already (02:21:17:00)
 However, the manager told Bore to wait because he knew another man at a
furnace company; the manager called the other man, explained the
situation, asked if the other man had an opening, and the other man told
the manager to send Broe over (02:21:35:00)
o Broe went to the furnace company and got a job working on a production line,
assembling furnaces for house trailers; however, Broe hated the job and hated
being inside on an assembly line (02:21:57:00)
o One day, he was in Allegan when he ran into an old friend who worked for the
local telephone company; the friend told Broe that the telephone company was
looking to hire a new lineman and told Broe to put in an application
(02:22:11:00)

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Broe got the job at the telephone company and worked there for a while,
until one night, he got into a car accident (02:22:27:00)
o The car accident screwed Broe up because he had been toying with the idea of reenlisting in the military (02:22:48:00)
 The accident laid Broe up for over a year, spending six months in a body
cast and the next six to eight months on crutches (02:23:56:00)
 Once he started using the crutches, Broe decided to use the G.I. Bill to go
to school (02:24:09:00)
o Broe spent two terms at Western Michigan University studying aviation
engineering, with the hopes of becoming an airplane mechanic (02:24:17:00)
 However, the experience did not work out too well for Broe, who did not
fit into the regimentation of school life; he was used to doing things
because there was a reason, not because somebody thought it was a good
idea (02:24:35:00)
o Broe eventually got a job working in South Haven, Michigan building blueberry
shakers (02:25:04:00)
o However, the company started losing business, so Broe found a job working in
the Lifesaver candy factory in 1974, where he stayed for twenty-five years
(02:25:12:00)
The time Broe spent in the military were definitely his formative years, akin to the years
when a student is in college (02:25:36:00)
o Broe’s time in the military gave him a different outlook on situations as compared
to what other people’s outlooks were (02:25:47:00)
 Broe has evidence of this, thanks to the brief time he spent at Western
Michigan (02:26:01:00)
o Broe believes his military service gave him a high degree of self-discipline and
the drive to go after things he felt were worth going after (02:26:16:00)
Broe held a variety of jobs working at the Lifesaver factory, eventually reaching the point
where, during third shifts, he was the only person working in the factory (02:26:47:00)
o However, the lack of human interaction began to cause trouble for Broe and he
began fighting with some personal demons (02:27:05:00)
o Eventually, the parent company planned to sell the factory and Broe, who was by
then a production supervisor, grew tired of waiting for the sale to happen and quit
the company (02:27:26:00)
After he left Lifesavers, Broe went to work with his brother, who owned a local gravel
business; Broe stayed at the business but his inner problems continued, up to the point
that one some nights, he could not sleep (02:28:09:00)
o At the time, Broe belonged to the local chapter of the Vietnam Veterans
association in Holland and at one point, he got to talking with one of the other
members and other member told Broe to come with him (02:28:23:00)
 The other member took Broe to the VA center in Grand Rapids and right
into the mental health section (02:28:37:00)
 The woman at the section said that Broe needed to talk with a psychiatrist;
although she knew what his problem was, she was not able to make any
diagnosis (02:28:54:00)

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Within in an hour, Broe was enrolled in the system and the psychiatrist
explained PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) to Broe, something he
had heard very little about (02:29:08:00)
o Since his diagnosis, Broe has been learning more about the disorder and has been
spending more time interacting with other veterans (02:29:37:00)
o Following the diagnosis, Broe has gone through a re-adjustment period; there
were things in his mind that were fighting to get out but Broe was fighting just as
hard to keep them locked inside (02:30:20:00)
o A lot of the reason why Broe kept things locked away was because of other
people, who often irritated or annoyed him; however, looking back, often the
dislike Broe had for the people stemmed from disagreements he had with them
about what things were important and how things should be done (02:31:19:00)
Broe’s time in the military was a very character building experience for him; although
there were probably some things he should not have done, he does not regret serving in
the military (02:31:58:00)
o He encourages any veteran who feels he or she is battling uphill to contact with
VA and to not be ashamed about their service (02:32:22:00)

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Veterans History Project
Douglas Broek
(1:00:35)
Background Information. (1:34)
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Born in Muskegon, Michigan, November 2, 1947(1:40)
He is of Dutch decent. (2:00)
He was raised in Muskegon and attended at Muskegon schools until his senior year
of high school (approx. 1965) when he transferred to Mona Shores High School.
(2:15)
He graduated from Mona Shores in 1966. (2:50)
He has 2 brothers and 1 sister who all reside in Muskegon. (2:56)
His mother was a stay at home mom and his father was a self employed contractor.
(3:14)
He was getting so close to being drafted that he decided to enlist. (3:49)
He enlisted in the U.S. Air Force. He did this because it was the most intriguing of the
branches. (4:00)

Basic Training (4:40)
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He was in Detroit to fly to San Antonio, Texas, he was trapped on the tarmac due to
fog. He remembered being given the uniforms and the hair cut. (4:52)
He received his basic training at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas.
(5:30)
His drill instructor was very fair and nice (for a drill instructor.) (5:47)
His fellow recruits were very divers evolving different nationalities and social
classes. (6:14)
He failed to build relationships with other men stationed there due to the
regimentation of basic training (6:49)
Basic training lasted 6 weeks. (7:20)
Basic training was his first time away from home and was difficult. (7:38)
When picking up supplies that were issued to him he was told to say thank you
ma’am, however he did not add ma’am at the end and received discipline for it.
(8:02)
Basic training entailed some classes and a lot of marching. It was also very
regimented. (8:20)
The dorm guard (a rotating duty) would do laundry at night because there was not
time during the day. (9:10)
He received rifle training on what he believed was an M16 (9:54)
The men had to be able to run a mile in 4 [?]minutes to graduate. (10:19)

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All the men in his class graduated. (10:45)
No one he knew showed up for his graduation. (10:57)
After basic training he was given 2 weeks leave (11:05)
In May of 1968 he reported to Loring Air Force Base In Maine. (11:39)
Here he was associated with the security police squadron and handled many of the
paper work and records in an office job. (12:16)
He stayed here approx. 2 years (approx. 1967=1969) (12:55)
They stayed in small army Barracks without a mess hall. Here he did manage to
make friends due to his association with getting supplies and postal. (13:19)

Arrival in Vietnam and service as an R&amp;R Clerk. (13:55)
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He was sent to Vietnam in June of 1969. (14:54)
He was assigned to Bin Thuy Air Base (15:15)
Assigned to the 637th Combat Support Group.(15:25)
Served as an R&amp;R clerk. (15:40)
While there he tried to send most married men to Hawaii. Most single men went to
Australia, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Thailand. (16:15)
Leaves for R&amp;R lasted approx. 1 week. Transportation was by commercial aircraft
courtesy of the U.S. military. (17:00)
During a 1 year tour of duty men where most often allowed only 1 R&amp;R leave.
(17:30)
Men with more time in country where often given first priority. (17:45)
Though man socialized with him to attempt to get more R&amp;R his name was not very
widely known. (18:40)
During his time in country he received an R&amp;R of his own in Sydney Australia.
(19:05)
He saw much of the city; however he was required to rent clothing because he was
discouraged from wearing his uniform. (20:20)
His hotel was on top of the King’s Cross (21:04)
He took a tour of the city and he visited the beach as well as the zoo. (21:28)

Service at Bin Thuy Air Base. (22:53)
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Because he worked in a Vietnamese airport there where many Vietnamese working
there (22:57)
The U.S. had no fighter air craft stationed there. The base was primarily used for
supplies shipment. (23:04)
In addition for R&amp;R he was in charge of a hobby shop as well as a library that where
at the base that were for the use of base personnel only. (24:20)
Cleaning and sanitation jobs were often held by Vietnamese. (25:10)

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One Vietnamese woman worked behind the desk at the hobby shop but was
eventually caught for stealing. (25:40)
There were approx. 100 men stationed at the Air Base. (26:15)
He was never wounded in Vietnam. (26:37)
He only carried a weapon once during the Tet Offensive [not the famous one, which
was in 1968]. (26:40)
The base was stationed on the Mekong River and though his side did not see any
action there was visible evidence of fighting across the river. (27:10)
For living quarters there were some barracks but many men lived in a hotel that
was near the base. (27:40)
There were not any Army personnel at this base (28:35)
He covered R&amp;R activities for personnel from all services. (28:44)
R&amp;R applications were received from mail or by hand delivery. (29:27)
Was never a P.O.W.(30:06)
He served on the perimeter for 2 weeks during Tet Offensive [Tet 1970]. (30:24)
He did not know of any casualties in his unit. (30:53)
He worked a 12 hour day and worked in 2 modular buildings. (Shipped in and
assembled on site.) They did have air conditioning. (31:30)
For a period, he moved into the hobby shop because of its air conditioning. (32:40)
On the base they had a van and a pickup truck for movement. They had no jeeps or
military vehicles (32:58)
For work he had an electric typewriter and a working phone. (33:20)
When calling home he was required to go to a MARS station. (33:40)
He called home 3 times, one of which was due to the death of his grandfather and
grandmother. (34:46)
He received no special awards or honors for his duty. (35:36)
Approx. every month there was a USO show. (35:47)
Most shows had 5-7 people in the shows. (36:16)
The shows varied in content from music, to sports, to celebrity appearances. (36:38)
He saw 9 shows at Binh Thuy Air Base. (30:03)
He served in country for approx. 1 year. (1969-1970) (39:13)

End of in country service. (39:23)
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When his term was over he went to San Francisco and then to Muskegon, Michigan.
These flights were paid for with his own funds. (39:23)
He arrived home in Travis Air Force Base, San Francisco. (40:10)
Once in the U.S. he was sent to Fort Eglin Air Force Base in Florida (40:23)
He was assigned to the Red Horse Detachment. (stationed off base.) They were
responsible for heavy equipment and construction equipment. (40:43)
Here he served as a clerk. (41:05)
He served here for 6 months until he was given an out to finish his schooling. (Late
1970) (41:16)

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He attended Muskegon Community College (41:27)
He received his early out so that he could start school. This privilege required an
application be submitted. (41:41

Life in Vietnam (42:47)
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In Vietnam he received letters and care packages from his mother often. (42:34)
There was a post office on Binh Thuy Air Base (43:06)
He recalls the food was not bad and the base did have a chow hall. (43:27)
There was a shared bathroom and showers. The showers worked by having water
pumped onto the roof and then having gravity push it out. (44:20)
He does not recall any problem receiving supplies. Many supplies came in by C130
at night. (45:14)
He had little to no pressure and stress on his job. (45:50)
He worked 7AM to 7PM daily for 6 days a week. He received Sundays off. (46:33)
One day he at lunch at the home of one of the Vietnamese men who worked on the
base. Afterwards he had dysentery. (47:25)

Post Military Life. (48:11)
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He worked for Meijer Inc. as a bag boy and stocking shelves. He later applied for
management training and with his schooling he was placed on retail accounting.
(48:20)
He had his schooling at Muskegon paid for. (49:18)
He received an Associate’s degree in accounting. (49:24)
He made friends in the service but he never stayed in touch with them. His unit does
not hold reunions. (49:37)
In 2001 he was married. (50:10)
He joined the VFW in 2001. (51:06)
He was latter voted Junior vice Commander of the district. (51:30)
2 years latter in 2003 he was elected Commander of the district. (51:35)
He developed a lot of Friendships through his time in the VFW. (51:45)
The VFW is post 702. (51:51)
He knows that his time in the Air Force greatly influenced his appreciation of team
work. (52:41)
He retired from Meijer about 3 years ago. (approx. 2008)(53:45)
He has been a volunteer at the Grand Rapids Home for Veterans for 4-5 years.
(53:56)
He has volunteered in the clothing room as well as the bait shop. (55:19)

Document examination (56:11)

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When an individual of active military and ended there service they received this
document. (56:15)
It gives time overseas, medals earned, and other information. (56:48)
This picture is in the lowering room at Air Force Base Maine. (57:11)
This is a base news paper. This paper referred to his position and his job for R&amp;R
leave. (57:50)
A Program from one of the USO shows, these were handed out explaining who was
there. This one was for Base Ball players. (58:40)
This is a USO pamphlet for Football players. (58:15)
This was his dog tag. He was required to wear it even though he worked an office
job and saw little to no action. (59:58)

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Veterans History Project
Matthew Brong
(40:55)
(00:20) Background Information
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Matthew was born on September 22, 1983 in Petoskey, MI
He enlisted in the Army and was in Iraq from August 2006-May 2007
Matthew graduated from high school in 2002 and went through ROTC at Michigan State
University
His grades were not very good, so he joined his brother in the Army in May 2004
Matthew had always wanted to join the Army and it has been a family tradition
His brother was a captain, his father had been in the Air Force during Vietnam, and his
grandfather was in the First Armored Division in World War II

(3:10) Infantry Training
• Matthew began training at Fort Benning, Georgia and was there for three months
• He spent a lot of time doing push-ups, sit-ups, and running
• All those in training had to have a diploma or GED and no criminal record
• Matthew then went to airborne school for four weeks and then received his wings
• They learned how to properly exit military air craft
• He then went through the Ranger Indoctrination Program for the 75th Ranger Regiment
• He broke his foot shortly after and was medically dropped from the program
• Matthew was in hold over and healing for 3 months before he received another
assignment
(7:00) Fort Bragg February 2005
• Matthew joined the 82nd Airborne Division, which was a rival of the Ranger Regiment
• Speaking of the Ranger Regiment, he noted that “they are the most heavily armed
fraternity.”
• They were deployed in September 2005 for hurricane relief in New Orleans
• It was strange working to help victims of Hurricane Katrina because no one knew the
correct procedure for stateside peace time operations
(11:20) Deployed to Iraq August 2006
• Matthew was told he would be in Iraq for only 180 days, then 12 months, and it ended up
being a tour of 15 months for most people in the service
• It was hard for him leaving friends and family, especially his four month old son
• They could communicate in Iraq through phones, internet, and mail

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Whenever someone was killed or injured, all modes of communication were “blacked
out” until that person’s family had been contacted and notified
All received 16 days of rest and recreation for their 15 month tour
Matthew visited his family in March 2007 for his son’s first birthday

(17:40) Injured May 26, 2007
• It had been near his three year anniversary in the Army
• He had been traveling in the last of four trucks in caravan
• The last truck was blown up and 3 of the 5 inside died
• Matthew had multiple fractured vertebrae and had titanium rods surgically implanted into
his back
• He also suffered moderate to severe brain injury that resulted in memory loss
• Some doctors called his problem post-traumatic amnesia and others called it retrograde
amnesia
• He lost about fourteen months of his memory at first, but most of it came back
• After the explosion, he was flown to and aid center in a chopper
• He had back surgery in a few hours and then was flown to Germany
• The other survivor of the explosion had very similar injuries
(23:30) Washington, DC
• From Germany, Matthew was flown to Andrews Air Force Base in DC
• He then was transferred to the Walter Reed Medical Center
• He was there from June 1-June 27 and then sent to a rehab center in Virginia
• Matthew has no memory of being in Walter Reed and had to re-learn how to walk
• Matthew was in Richmond Virginia recovering for 1.5 months and then was discharged
(29:25) After Being Discharged
• Matthew moved to Fayetteville, NC with his wife and son
• He continued to take classes to work on his speech and memory
• He continued to have regular medical visits and would never be as physically strong
• Matthew still suffers from short term memory loss
• He can no longer be in the infantry because he can only carry half the weight
• He is now back in the Army, but not doing as much physical work
(32:25) Looking Back
• Matthew would not do anything different even with his injury
• Matthew had many positive experiences in the Army, especially while in New Orleans
• He enjoyed seeing Cheney and Bush in New Orleans and received many thanks from the
civilians

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Audrey Bronkema
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Background Information (00:14)
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Her father owned an insulation company. After she graduated high school she spent a year
working for her father. (00:15)
She lived in Greenville, Michigan. (00:40)
She enlisted in the Army. This was inspired in part due to her love of the program M.A.S.H.
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Basic Training (1:40)
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She flew from Lansing Michigan to South Carolina. She was then bused to Fort Jackson, South
Carolina. (1:44)
One of the first things that she was taught in basic was how to march properly. (2:20)

Overview of Service (2:20)
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She served in Germany during the time of the Persian Gulf War (1990-1991). (2:55)
She worked as a telecommunication center operator. (3:12)
After basic training, Audrey moved on to her advanced MOS training at Fort Gordon in Georgia
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She completed her service while serving at Fort Victors in Atlanta Georgia. (4:21)
She liked serving in Germany because there was more camaraderie amongst the serving men.
(4:50)
She found that her time in Army was very exciting. (6:06)
Audrey never recalled being fearful. She did understand, however, that she could be called into
battle. (6:35)
She almost always had access to a mess hall as well as off post facilities. (7:07)
While in the field for training purposes, most people slept during their free time. Often times
there were also pick up sports games while she served at the bases. (7:48)
Audrey used letters to communicate with home. Once a week she would make a phone call as
well. (9:00)
Because she had shift work, she often spent holidays working. (9:20)
Her service did improve her ability to work with others and increased her confidence. (9:55)

Exiting Service (10:27)
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The day she left the Army was very bitter sweet. She wanted a change but she enjoyed the
service very much. (10:31)
When the Persian Gulf War ended in February of 1991, Audrey was still in Germany. (11:08)
Immediately after service she took several days relaxing. She then started looking for work
(11:32)
She had not taken any college courses when she got out of the military. (12:26)

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She does not have much contact with most the people she served with. She is still close with a
hand full of her closest friends. (12:55)

Life after Service (13:40)
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She worked in landscaping for 5 years in Georgia after getting out of the service. She later went
to school for electronics. (13:51)
Audrey then returned to Michigan and worked for a hospital. (14:11)
Her service did help with the customer service part of her career. (14:30)

Thoughts on Service (15:10)
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It was an honor to her to be able to serve. (15:30)
She thinks that it is good that the U.S. is able to provide aid to individuals who are being treated
unfairly. (16:56)
The only regret Audrey has about her service was that she didn’t serve longer. (18:20)
She served in the Army for 4 years. (18:53)
While in Germany, Audrey and her fellow soldiers were supposed to aid the war effort in the
Middle East. She and her unit were put on alert to go into battle but ultimately did not. (19:50)
Audrey received 2 Army achievement medals and 1 accommodation medal. (21:39)
If she was younger she would rejoin the Army. She simply had so many good memories and so
much pride in the uniform. (23:00)
She thinks that it would be a good experience for everyone to serve simply to experience more
of what the world has to offer. (24:27)

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