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                    <text>Theodore Peticolas Diary, RHC-51
Transcription by Robert Beasecker
[Front Cover]
[Inside cover page blank]
[Front Matter]
Pocket Diary 1863
Title Page
Counting House Almanac 1863
Distances and Time by railroad from New York
Population of the United States (including totla slave pop 1850 + 1860)
San Francisco Tides
Eclipses in 1863
Rates of Postage
Almanac of 1863
[Page 1]
[note written above the date]
Battle of Stones River. Wind South.
Thursday, January 1, 1863 [Peticolas indicated the temperature three times for each entry]
[Temp. 18,33,33]
Lilla walked over this afternoon. Var. Fine day for the first but very cold this morning. Thawed
very little. I did housework &amp; read. Attend to the stock. Sent an article to the Country
Gentleman on Borers and a letter to Julia. Hazy.
Friday 2
[Temp. 37, 50, 30]
I went to see Young about fixing fence. Var. Little sun today. Wind south. Preparing for a
rain. Kake &amp; Lou cut the dry woods in the garden then loused the rest of the day. I drove
Conklins cows out twice after the[y] tore down the Fodder stacks. Cloudy.
Saturday 3
[Temp. 46, 54, 50]
Var. Very moderate today but Rained most of the forenoon. Jake hard to manage today. Shirked
his work. Went down to fix the fence to keep out Conklins cows. I was very unwell and
feverish today.
[Page 2]

�Sunday 4
[Temp. 50, 54, 52]
Var. Rained all the forenoon. Cleared off after dawn and was splendid. I had a dreadful bad
night. Fever &amp; restlessness. I did nothing but read and took one little tramp but was afraid of the
damp to stagout.
Monday 5
[see symbol]
[Temp. 34, 52, 48]
Julia did not come. Var. Very fine day but too damp for us to be out much. Geo. Young fixed
the fence to keep Conklins Cows out. John came and got a barrel of Cider out of the cellar. Mr.
Ducket made us a long visit this afternoon. Hazy.
Tuesday 6
[Temp. 36, 46, 24]
Jul did not come. Note from Del. Rained this morning. Quit soon after breakfast turning cold
very rapidly. Jake sawed wood, took up two Junipers &amp; planted themselves at the graveyard.
Lou took shafts down to Wilimngtons. Cloudy &amp; windy.[Page 3]
Wednesday, January 7, 1863
[Temp. 18, 28, 20]
Var. very cold all day. Jake began digging a new grape border front of the cowhouse. Mrs.
Dickinson of Kale did a big wash. I did nothing but read [?] I got home, sick as usual. Closed[?]
Thursday 8
[Temp. 23, 39. 20]
Sherman attacks Vicksburg. Snowed in the night &amp; part of today about an inch &amp; a half. Jake
sawed some &amp; sled[?] some stac'd in the house &amp; began Les Miserables. The day was very dull
&amp; I had the [?]
Friday 9
[Temp. 24, 34, 34]
Codfish dinner. Var., still cold but moderating a little. Jake sawed a little wood &amp; fooled corn
dealt.[?] Time away I read to the girls &amp; did housework. Cloudy.
[Page 4]
Saturday, January 10, 1863
[Temp. 44, 48, 36]

�Var. This has been a very moderately cool day after a homendow [?] hard wind &amp; rain this
morning, all the snow has all disappeared. Jake sawed some wood. Clear. [seperation symbol]
Read Les Miserables.
Sunday 11
[Temp. 34, 40, 36]
Was a very fine day, but was too stick to go out. I had a wet compress on my throat which gave
me a worse cold than I ever had in my life. Jake went store. Lick on Prince. [?] Clear.
Monday 12
[Temp. 28, 54, 44]
Kate &amp; Lou went to town. Splendid spring day but i could not go out being too sick running rose
and splitting headache. Jake spaded. Raspberries [?] went to Sallie's afternoon. Her photograph
came to night. Hazy.
[Page 5]
[Top of page containing date missing]
[Temp. 60,59]
Cloudy all day. [words missing] like looks like rain. I had a terrible night, fever &amp; bursting
headache. Jake &amp; Frank hauled Foddes [?]. I feel better tonight I have felt for three days. [?] is
better too. Cloudy.
[Page 6][top of page containing date missing. First words of text in the entry are also missing].
[Temp. 18, 22, 13
this morning. This is the deepest snow we have ever had --- more than ten feet. [?] quite sick,
and I not much better. I coughed this morning dreadfully. Jake made baths &amp; sawed some.
Cloudy.
Saturday 17
B.[Temp. 6, 18, 2]
Var. Cloudy nearly all day and very cold. No thaw. Jake sawed wood &amp; went to the store after
Ink. I have been quite unwell all day. Clear.
Sunday 18
[Temp. 6, 34, 22]
Sunshine all day, moderate. Some wind South but still very cold. I coughed very badly this
morning but am a little better. Lou made to the post office. Clear.
[Page 7]
[Temp. 22, 40, 37]

�Mr. Adams arrived unexpected. Cloudy all day, began misting about 4 PM &amp; still continues.
Should it turn to a rain it will produce a flood. Jake sawed. I finished reading the 2nd vol of Les
Miserables. Drizzling.
Tuesday 20
Wednesday 21
[Temp. 32, 31, 34]
Kate and Mr. Adams left in the bus [?]. Snowed in the night a little but thawed all day. Jake was
off all day rabbit hunting again. I coughed all night the worst yet and I dread tonight. Emor[?]
called to see me today. Cloudy.
[Page 8]
Thursday, January 22, 1863
[Temp. 34, 36, 33]
Cloudy all day not cold. Cloudy all day not cold. Thawing slowly. Jake shelled corn and went
to mill but did not get it ground got chopped but no Brase. Julia washed. Cloudy --- headache
all day.
Friday 23
[Temp. 33, 40, 40)
Kate, Del &amp; children came out. Var cloudy all day. Rained since dark, Jake lasoed (?) some.
Carried hay over to the barn. I hit a [?] of Rockers to my arm chair &amp; nearly sawed off my
thumb. Drizzling.Kate got books for camp.
Saturday 24
[Temp. 44, 54, 48]
Var. cloudy nearly all day. Very moderate for the season. Snow rappidly disappearing. Jake off
again all forenoon. Jule [?] scrubbed kitchen. Cloudy [seperation symbol] my cold better.
[Page 9]
Sunday, January 25, 1863
[Temp. 36, 50, 46]
Cloudy all day and very warm looking very much like rain. Snow entirely gone. Making the
road area [?] I had the horrors terribly. John called. Judy &amp; I had a [?] with him.
[Monday 26]
[Temp. 50, 50, 42]

�Cloudy and rainy all day. Jake went to mill after our meal. Got chopped &amp; Bran. I assorted 16
as [?] to him it out. No name found. Two Nos missing concluded to read it so. Everybody got
town's[?] diarreah. Raining.
Tuesday 27
[Temp. 33, 33, 28]
Rain turned to snow. Snowed nearly all day very fine but melted as it fell. Jake sawed &amp; shel'd
wood all day. We began reading Gollum's late of no name. Had codfish for dinner. Lou very
sick. Cholera. [?]
[Page 10]
Wednesday, January 28, 1863.
[Temp. 22, 26, 20]
Ms. Dickinson washed. Snowed in the night about 2 inches. Turning cold. Jake sawed wood,
went to [?] our Prince[?] Got a wrench. I wrote to {blank}[?] &amp; to Kaspers. Wrote
advertisements but forgot to send them. Clear.
Thursday 29
[Temp. 20, 39, 36]
Mr. Dicket called. Var. moderated some, wind south, Jake sawed wood until noon when he left
for the rest of the day. I got croton oil in my eyes causing excruciating pain for several hours.
Del &amp; Jul called on [?]
Friday 30
Snow again last night. A little colder today. Jake sawed a little wood. Hard to keep at his work.
Del spent the day at Jenkins. I put a new valve in th[e] [?] Broke the shovel off soldere &amp; it on
again.
[Page 11]
Saturday, January 31, 1863.
[Temp. 21, 40, 33] Garrison came out tonight. Cloudy all day. Moderated some. Jake hauled
over some hay from the woodhouse loft and sawed some wood. I read No Name to the girls. Pd.
Butcher's Bill $500. Cloudy.
Sunday, February 1
Had oysters for dinner. Var. Rained nearly all the forenoon very [?] all day. Jake went to East
Liberty with a note from me to John. Took both horses &amp; Frank D. without leave. Clear.
Eggnog.
Monday 2

�[Temp. 15, 30, 20] Garrison left in the [?] Var. very cold in the morning &amp; all day. I read no
name part of the day. [?] Jake up for not feeding Girls. Went to Gonklins [?] to tea. I went to
see young &amp; Dickets about getting a boy. Got no satisfaction. Hazy.
[Page 12]
Jul still suffering from Porerigo[?]
Tuesday, February 3, 1863
[Temp. 7, 13, 8]
Kate went to town today. Var. One of the coldest nights and days this winter. Jake began
hauling wood from Keltman [?] I read Life of Grimalde aloud of No Name to go on. Clear. B.
Wednesday 4.
[Temp. 12, 23, 21]
Var. Moderated a little in the night. Jake hauled wood from Keltman &amp; went to the store. I did
nothing but housework and read. Del went to young, and I paid for butter. Cloudy.
Thursday 5
[see symbol]
[Temp. 24, 26, 24]
Del &amp; Children left in the [?] Snowed in the night and all day. Jul &amp; I spent the day &amp; took
dinner [?] John had hard pulling through the snow. Jake I suppose did nothing. Snowing a little.
[Page 13]
Friday, February 6, 1863
[Temp. 15, 21, 14] Var. very cold all. Snowed a little this morning. Snow about 9 inches to a
foot. Jake sawed wood &amp; went to P.O. on Prince. I finished No Name, Kaspers came last night.
Two letters for Kate.
Saturday 7.
[see symbol]
[Temp. 10, 38, 34]
Jake and Lou hauled hay fr. Woodh. Var. Sun shone considerably. Moderated, Clouded over
towards evening. Bennet called to see about trees. I read Grimaldy to Jul. Jake lost all morning.
Sunday 8
[Temp. 38, 42, 38]
B.
Cloudy all day. Moderated. Very much thawing. Musting since dark. Wrote out my article on
Fieldmice for the {Country Gent} &amp; a letter to Mr Emmons. Jake went home on Tom &amp; got
home to [?]
[Page 14]

�Monday, February 9, 1863.
[Temp. 42, 50, 49]
Var. cloudy &amp; misty. Jake sawed some wood &amp; assorted &amp; wiped apples in the cellar. Lou &amp; I
went to Willowville for Butter. Paid up a couple of bills for nursery sale. Cloudy.
Tuesday 10
B.
Lou sick and suffering very much. Var. cleared off towards night. Not very cold. Jake oiled the
harness. Left after dinner for home. I sent a letter to Kate &amp; one to Money advertisement. Sent
for coal oil. Clear.
Wednesday 11
Rained from noon until night. Cloudy &amp; murky looking day. Jake hauled wood from Keltmans
&amp; sawed some. Jill being sick I did all the housework. I did not feel right by any means. Kate
did not come. Lilla[?] walled over. Raining.
[Page 15]
Thursday, February 12, 1863
[Temp. 34, 30, 34]
Kate got home at last. Rained shortly after breakfast &amp; continued hard until noon. Remained
cloudy. Jill very unwell bad sorethroat and hoarse. I read considerably aloud. Sugar &amp; Coffee
did not come. Dark &amp; Cloudy.
Friday 13
[see symbol]
[Temp. 34, 35, 34]
Cloudy all day. Wind south. Looks like snow. Jake as usual fooled away his time. Sawed a
little wood. John called &amp; took dinner with us talked us crazy. Sugar &amp; Coffee came but Papers
forgotten. Cloudy.
Saturday 14
[Temp. 32, 56, 53]
B.
Cloudy all day. Began raining about 2 P.M. &amp; continued until 8 P.M. Some stars but too warm
Lou &amp; Jake went to mill. Jake rode to store. Sick the only [?] got home at 3 PM. I walked
doing in the nursery. Looked at the wheat. Cloudy.
[Page 16]
Sunday, February 15, 1863
[see symbol]
[Temp. 44, 46, 32]

�Var. very fine day. Lou &amp; I made up our minds to go to town, in the Buggy. After a pleasant
cool ride we got to Del's about 5 P.M. or half past 4. We left home at 1/2 past 12. Del washed at
home. Clear.
Monday 16
[Temp. 26,48,40]
Var. cloudy most of the day. Quite cold. Jake fooled his time away chopping. I called on Ms.
Gibson who [?] me very kindly [?] on my lunching [?] Del's [underlined]{Swing Machine} on
the buggy, left Lou in town. Cloudy.
Tuesday 17
[Temp. 34,42,39] Sent coffee back to George. Raining when we got up. Continued nearly all
forenoon. Jake &amp; Rob D. sawed and split wood. Kate ran the [underlined] {Machine} all day.
Old woman came to see if we could give her work. Gave her supplies &amp; put her to work[?]
Cloudy.
[Page 17]
Wednesday, February 18, 1863
[Temp. 40,44,44]
Raining again this morning. Drizzled most of the day. Dutch man got twenty appletrees. I had
to be out in the mist. Jake made labels nearly all day. Very dark &amp; cloudy.
Thursday 19
Lou &amp; Jake gone to Young Pasty. Rain every morning. Sun shone a few minutes this afternoon.
I had a slight chill tonight and for the two previous days. I hung up the Hams &amp; made smoke.
Jake finished the Labels 500. [underlined]{Raining, wind.}
Friday 20
We got four [underlined]{Hens} from Mr. Teal. Var. Cleared off at last. Sun shone toward
evening. Jack went home &amp; back by supertime. I was quick unwell had a [underlined] {hot
fever}. Excruciating pain in the head. Mr. Conklin and sister called after tea to invite us to
dinner on Sunday.
[Page 18]
Saturday, February 21, 1863
[Temp. 28, 31, 26]
Cloudy all day turning cold. Jake &amp; Bob D. hauled hay from the woodhouse loft to the barn. I
missed my fever &amp; feel a little better. Got a letter from Ed to Lou[?] with some prospect for a
loan. Snowing.

�Sunday 22
[Temp. 25, 31, 19]
Snowing snowed all night and great [?] of the day very fine. Snow about 8 inches deep. Being
the [underlined]{third deep snow this} winter. Kate &amp; I went to Conklins to a late dinner of
turkey oysters. Quite[?] considerate of a Conkin [?] Cloudy.
Monday 23
[Temp. 8, 26, 17 1/2]
Lou got home. Very cold. Var. clear nearly all day. Jack went to [?] and posted some of our
bills. Sawed a little. His father called and settled with one for Jake, Conklins came over after
tea &amp; took eggnog &amp; cake. Cloudy.
[Page 19]
[note above the date]
Tuesday, 24, 1863
[Temp. 22,42,37]
I wrote to Del. Jul wrote to Ed. Var. clear most of the day. Moderated very much. Jake hauled
some wood. Kline got 38 trees. Kept one nearly three hours in the slushy snow it will give a
fine cold. I am sick. Cloudy.
Wednesday 25
[Temp. 32,55,51]
Var. Moderated considering[?] Jake hauled wood all day. Made four loads. Read Les
Miserables to the girls. Jake &amp; Lou gone to Sugar Camp. Another letter [?] Ed about the loan.
Thursday 26
[see symbol]
[Temp. 33, 39, 34] Var. Looked like rain all day. [?] my going to Pataria[?] Jake shelled corn &amp;
measured [?]. I cut Grafts. [?] Jake hauled wood for Dickinson. Cloudy &amp; warm.
[Page 20]
Friday, February 27, 1863
Archy Woodruff died today.[Temp. 53, 60, 34] Two months younger than me. Var. Splendid
spring day. Jake stacked and sawed wood. I went to Bataria Recorders office to get mortgages
to [?] wheat and corn. Denied with Lindey Moore, got corn} ground.
Saturday 28
[Temp. 32, 52, 44]

�Drizzled a little this evening. Var. rather cold, first very fine but muddy. Lent Jake to Bataria to
the Recorder. Bid Broadwell receipt would not answer to cancel the mortgage. Two men called
to look at the nursery. I made catalogue for the nursery. Cloudy.
Sunday, March 1
[Temp. 40, 41, 32]
Cloudy all day. Turned colder. I read Les Miserables nearly all day. Finished the fourth vol.
Jake been gone all day not home yet. Hope for a fine day tommorow. Clear and cool, quite
windy today.
[Page 21]
Monday, March 2, 1863
[Temp. 34, 40, 32]
Var. Cold. Spit snow a few. A small number of men assembled in the woodhouse &amp; bid so
meanly that I was perfectly discouraged. The whole sale only amounted to about $70. Voyela
Gallaire. Clear.
Tuesday 3
[see symbol]
[Temp. 32, 33, 26]
We finished Les Miserables. Snowed in the night and some this morning. I made out all the
bills of the sale of Trees. Kate &amp; Jake started for town in the wagon, taking the sawing machine
home. Prince got away from Lou at Willowville. Clear &amp; cold.
Wednesday 4
[see symbol]
[Temp. 23, 31, 23]
Var. very cold for the season. Peaches will certainly suffer tonight. Jake got home about 4 P.M.
Brought out Beatshead &amp; Mattress. I coppied mortgage. Got dissapointed in a horse to go to
Broadwells. Ms. Conklin called. Clear &amp; cold.
[Page 22]
Some prospect of getting money of [?]
Thursday, March 5, 1863
[Temp. 18, 32, 35]
Var. very cold. This morning I borrowed Mrs. Teal's Horse &amp; rode to bull &amp; Sam Edwards to
see about the old mortgage but could not find it. Jul &amp; I went to Bea after dinner, seymed[?]
Dels mortgage. I went to Mill. Called on Ms. Bond. Got home after dark in the snow --- nearly
frozen. Drizzling.
Friday 6

�[Temp. 40, 44, 41]
Rained a little in the night. Musted all day. Snow entirely gone. Jake sawed some wood. Feel
very sore from yesterday's exploits. Read Night and Morning to Jul Most of the day. Sent to
Conklins and bought a cock. Misty.
Saturday 7
[Temp. 34, 37, 32]
Read Night and Morning. Rained pretty hard in the night. Everythig underwater. Kitchen all
afloat. Sudden leak in the roof. Nasty all day. Cold in my head, in great pain all day, effects of
my ride and exposure. Cold &amp; Cloudy.
[Page 23]
Wrote to Kate.
Sunday, March 8, 1863
[Temp. 31, 40, 36]
Read Night and Morning. Var. Snowed &amp; rained in the night. Froze a little. Very disagreeable
day. Snow and rain mixed this afternoon feel. Geo. Young got Jake to drive him &amp; family up to
Del's old place. Jul then rode Tom over to Sallie's &amp; has not got back. Drizzling.
Monday 9
[Temp. 31, 38, 30]
Del wood saw. Jul got home to dinner. Var. Clear great part of the day but cold &amp; raw. I sel[?]
Jake to trimming vines. I begin writing labels. Finished Night &amp; Morning, it is splendid. No
news from Bil Edwards. Cloudy --- about the old mortgage.
Tuesday 10
Tuesday 10
Began Paul Clifford. Var. Some sun today but very raw. Jake cut some vines. I walked down
to John Lanes &amp; waited an hour or two then got no real satisfaction about the money. Jake took
Tom and hauled wood for Conklins. Hazy.
[Page 24]
Wednesday, March 11, 1863
[Temp. 31, 40, 39]
I filed and sel woodsaw. Var. cold wind Howling all night and all day. Set Jake to cutting up the
pond hedge at Jul's portion. [?] request, she went to Conklins a few minutes &amp; I to Youngs. The
Milles called for the trees but it was too cold. Clear.

�Thursday 12
[see symbol]
[Temp. 24, 32, 16]
George Young began choppnig wood. Var. very cold. Real winter day. Jake hauled up the last
of the Fodder, then hauled wood. Lou had a long race after the buss which passed before us
knew it. Mrs. [?] &amp; man stopped &amp; dined with us. Clear &amp; cold.
Friday 13
[Temp. 16, 34 ,29]
Sent Kales things down &amp; Del's butter. Var. Bitter cold this morning not so bad a yesterday.
Jake hauled wood &amp; one of old Rails from the Pasture hill. I walked down to the nursery then
over to Hellmans woods to look at our wood then home to read Paul Clifford. Cloudy.
[Page 25]
Saturday, March 14, 1863[Temp. 30, 48, 40]
Var. Moderated very much. Very pleasant. Jake hauled one load of wood &amp; sawed some. Cut
off some of the Hedge in front. I went to Arluss [?] crawfish but did not find him [?] at home.
Got a letter from Del about the loan. Clear.
Sunday 15
[Temp. 36, 41, 49]
Var. Splendid spring day. Very warm. Sent Jake home. Jul &amp; I took a horseback ride. I rode
Prince, she went very well indeed. We walked up to Ducket's to see about the fence. I found
That Young could not come. Clear.
Monday 16
[Temp. 30, 30, 38]
Var. White frost. Splendid day. I went to town. I got $600 of Harrison on mortgage &amp; brot[?]
out a contraband name Charley from Arkansas. Julia spent the day at Camp Dennison with
Conklins. Clear.
[Page 26]
Tuesday, March 17, 1863
[see symbol]
[Temp. 39,69,60]
Jul drove over to Sallie's. Var. Splendid spring day. Slight white forst. Kelly &amp; Cole came and
I got their trees we dug all day. Gomez got $1.00 worth. I was on foot all day. Very tired.
Smokey and cloudy.

�Wednesday 18
[Temp. 50, 52, 40]
Jul went to Gasmel[?] Var. rather cloudy. Col breeze. Trees all day I dug a few. Made a list or
map of the new nursery. Fuller got his 35 trees. Ducket called this evening to see about the
fence. Hazy.
Thursday 19
[Temp. 31, 32, 33]
Charley and Jul washed. Sleet this morning shuck us on arising this morinng &amp; has continued all
day being one of the heaviest we have had for a year. Sending the Cedars down awfully. Mrs.
Young called &amp; settled her milk &amp; butter bill &amp; the Negro question. Drizzling and freezing.
[Page 27]
[note written above the date] Polly called at noon[;] wrote to Kate.
Friday, March 20, 1863
[Temp. 33, 33, 37]
Sleet entirely disappeared this morning. Rained very hard in the night, growing saturated and
water. Charley cut straw &amp; sawed wood. Did more warming than anything else. Drizzling.
Saturday 21
[Temp. 44, 69, 47]
Rained hard again in the night. Charley went to Moore's Mill &amp; brought home $4.00 worth of
ship stuff 9 bushels. I was out a great deal today. Cut some Pear grafts. Jul &amp; I went to Conklins
after supper. Clear.
Sunday 22
Sallie &amp; D walked over, Jul of the way home took the party. Var. Splendid, day quite warm but
very damp ground saturated again with water; I got such a cold yesterday by being out on damp
ground that I was forced to stay in much more than I intended. Peaches and cherries all safe yet.
Cloudy.
[Page 28]
[note written above the date]
[Temp. 55, 69, 62] I sold and dug 4 May Cherries.
Monday, March 23, 1863
Mrs. Kennedy walked over. Var. Sun came out hot. Hard rain in the night with some thunder.
The frost of the season. Charley dug new trees all day. I was out humming &amp; making Currant
Cutting &amp; planting where they were missing. Cloudy. Began saving milk.

�Tuesday 24
[see symbol]
[Temp. 57, 45, 42]
Ms. K left in the Buss.[?] Rained hard again in the night &amp; several times to day. Charley dug a
few trees but found it to be muddy. He sawed wood. I did nothing but sneeze. I catch cold. Jim
Hazel called to inform us that we are to mobbed. Raining.
Wednesday 25
Var. Rained in the night &amp; today, sleet &amp; snow. Thermometer fell since morning. Charley
sawed wood. I rode over to Johnsons to brrow his gun to sefret[?] invasion, but he laughed at me
being certain they would not dare do it. Snowing.
[Page 29]
[note written above the date] McShields[?] No 22 McFarland sheet
Thursday, March 26, 1863
[Temp. 28, 36, 29]
[see symbol] Cloudy, &amp; spit snow all day. Very raw &amp; cold. Charley sawed wood &amp; warmed
his feet, I took the wasgon to be mended, talked to the neighbors about overwhelmed [?] invasion
but they think it all tosh. Jul went to Mrs Leal's. Anche[?] badly. [?] &amp; cold.
Friday 27
[Temp. 28,48,45]
Jul rode to Sallie's, fell off some &amp; shamed[?] her. Var. Very heavy white frost. Geo. Hellman
came with G. Young with G. Young &amp; dug his trees, about 200 paid for them at 7 cents. Charley
dug par of the day, went to Lane's &amp; got 1/4 ton of Timothy Hay. Cloudy. I am very tired.
[underlined]{First Butter}.
Saturday 28
[Temp. 42, 58, 35]Var. Cloudy most of the day. Some sunshine. Charley and I transplanted the
large Princes fig near the Pit to the Pigpen we went hence to the Teals for chickens got four
instead of six. Jul is very much better today. Clear &amp; cloudy.
[Page 30]
Sunday, March 29, 1863
[see symbol]
[Temp. 24, 36, 31]
Var. cold as midicruter[?]. Cold wind all day. I took a tramp all over the orchard. Found the
Peach buds safe yet but there will not be a heavy crop if they are not kitted. Conklins called this
evening. Clear.

�Monday 30
[Temp. 23, 45, 32]
Jul went to Garmel, I wrote to Ms. Shields. Moderated a little. Drunken Dutch man &amp; got 50
trees in the mud. Charley dug up &amp; planted the German Prime in the Pig Pen. I read all until
monthly to Jul. Got tow more chickens of Mrs. Leal. Hazy.
Tuesday 31
[Temp. 30, 26, 28]
Var. Very cold. Wind all day disagreeable &amp; saw snowed several times. I went to Duckets &amp;
had a talk about slanders &amp;c. Charley could only saw wood. I had chilly and bad feeling all
afternoon. Clouds &amp; high wind.
[Page 31]
[note written above the date] My watch went with the money.
[Temp. 22, 42, 22]
Wednesday, April 1, 1863
We know that Charley stole the money. Var. Very cold. Tornado all night, lulled about 5 o'clock
A.M. Discovered that we had been robbed of about $15 out of the pocket of my diary, the
window propped with a book &amp; chair on the outside all sham. Clear moderating.
Thursday 2
[Temp. 48, 60, 44]
We just discovered the loss of my watch. Var. very light wind all night &amp; today. Moderated
very much. Mr. Aymes[?] &amp; dug 350 trees. We had a day serenade of Copperhead whole[?] us
a Lincolns sign or banner[?] over front gate abrised Mrs. Conklin.
Friday 3
[see symbol]
[Temp. 33, 42, 36]
Jul got Egg from Blanch &amp; set a Hen. Var. great variety of weather today. Wind drizzling snow.
We took a walk down to the nursery &amp; back. I went three or four times to keep Charley at work.
He dug trees. I made a map or catalogue of the old nursery. Clear.
[Page 32]
[note written above the date] I met Mrs. Williamson at Del's and [?]
Sunday, April 5, 1863
[Temp. 32, 58, 55]

�Found the [?] very bad work Whoop [?] Var. very fine day. Charley spaded some beds in the
garden. I went to town after dinner and called on Mrs. Shields to see about her son. She agreed
to send him out on Wednesday. Clear.
Sunday 5
Froggs. White frost. Clear but smokey in town. I left Del &amp; called on Mrs. Shields &amp;
persuaded her to let William come out with me in the buggy. I found Sallie &amp; the doctor at
dinner which pleased very much. He fortunately came over last night. Raining.
Monday 6
[Temp. 32, 46, 31]
Sent for the other 1/4 ton of Hay. White frost. Var. very rain and cold. Wind all day. Teal &amp;
McGuire cmae for their trees. I had to go out and attend to digging and was so chilled thorugh
that I had a 4 hours chill. Tongue swelled so that I could not talk for pain than fever. Jul sent for
Dennis. Moan Emetic &amp; Calomel &amp; sweated.
[Page 33]
Tuesday, April 7, 1863
[Temp. 32, 42, 36]
Dr. Dennis called again. Var. Still rain with white forst. Boys worked at the garden bed &amp; with
Julia planted onions. I laid a bed all day being much better. Look salts. Tongue still very
painful &amp; throat very sore but evidently mending.
Wednesday 8
[Temp. 30, 45, 33]
White frost. Byos dug trees &amp; planted the first Pears. Var. Sun shone nearly all day. Very cold
for the time of year. The longest continuation I ever knew in April. Bennel[?] came for his
trees. Julia attended to the delivery. She planted 19 hills of Potatoes in the garden. Clear and
cold.
Thursday 9
[Temp. 26, 36, 44]
Mary Games[?] came in the Buss. Clear all day moderated very much. Boys dig trees all the
afternoon. They quarreled this morning. I makred trees for them to dig. I put the Cmiela[?]
(which is splendid) out in front [?] Mrs. Conklin child Lucy died at about 3 P.M. Clear.
[Page 34]
[note written above the date] [?] seed came.
Friday, April 10, 1863

�Ursham[?] called to see about his trees. Very smokey &amp; hazy all day. Turned suddenly warm.
Real Indian summer. Great lassitude[?] Jul went to town with Conklin to get things for the dead
baby. Mary cooked. I sel Wil[?] to him [?] vineyard and horses &amp; [?] orchard all day. Smokey.
I rode to Lanes on Prince.
Saturday 11
[Temp. 60, 48, 59]
Jul was at Conklins all afternoon helping. Smokey all day. Thunder &amp; a shower since supper,
Wil trimmed in the vineyard. Old Ben Jones got 12 trees. I planted three May cherries with the
most excruciating pain in any side immaginiable [imaginable]. Cloudy.
Sunday 12
[see symbol]
[Temp. 44, 46, 44]
Cloudy all day. Jul has been to Conklins ever since dinner waiting to fix the baby. I put a
mustard plaster on my side last night &amp; again today, the pain abates very slowly. Fever blisters
all around my mouth. Cloudy.
[Page 35]
[note written above the date] [?] to old nursery at 2 cent to town.
Monday, April 13, 1863
[Temp. 41, 55, 46]
Jul went with Buggy to the Funeral. Var. Splendid day. I was too unwell to be out. The
Withanes came &amp; took just what trees they liked. Enor[?] Johnson got his 40. I had to apply
another mustard plaster to my side &amp; it is not well yet. Boys dug trees all day. Clear.
Tuesday 14
[Temp. 42, 55, 54]
Jul not home yet. Var. Drizzled a little towards night. Boys worked at the [?] all day. Jones got
six apple trees. I have been suffering with excruciating pain in my side. Mustard does no good.
I am applying Croton oil. Cloudy.
Wednesday 15
[Temp. 46, 35, 37]
Swallows. Jul &amp; Del with Baby came with Buggie. Rained in the night and a little this morning.
Boys dug a little for Blackberrybed. Two men came for trees, being too unwell to attend, [?] I
had to bus Willy[?] Charley washed his clothes. I have suffered horribly with my side all day.
[Page 36]
[note written above the date] Got 1/4 ton of hay from Hellman's
Thursday, April 16, 1863

�[Temp. 47, 55, 50]
Mary left Buss[?] for Bataria. Raining this morning. Soon stopped. Boys shaded &amp; dug some
trees. McGuire got a few and Witham got a few &amp; swindled me out of the number to[?] I
suffered awfully all day with my side &amp; back. Cloudy.
Friday 17
[Temp. 46, 64, 52]
Var. The smost spring like day we have had for some time. Many [underlibed]{Peaches in
bloom}. Boys got in Ton of Hay from Martins. Will trimmed Black [?] and spaded. I put the
pram[?] &amp; sash on the hot bed. Clear. Peas up.[?]
Saturday 18
[Temp. 44, 78, 67]
Kate got home but left Lou behind. Clear all day. Summer all at once. 34 [degree] change in G
house [greenhouse]. I was out all day. Perfectly warm out. Hot fever about suppertime. Got out
[?] news of Blackbeanes[?]. Took up 20 young Bartletts out of old. Charley began planting
nursery.
[Page 37]
[note written above the date] Set a hem.
Sunday, April 19, 1863
[Temp. 54, 60, 45]
Threatened with Whittetoe. Var. Showered several times today. Very fine before noon. I
walked round considerably interided to hamsplant[?] Cherries but the rain prevented me. Charley
showing strange symptoms. Clear.
Monday 20
[Temp. 38, 70, 61]
Set a hem. Too full. Mary came. Del could not get off buss. Var. Splendid warm day. Charley
pushed ploughing for Potatoes &amp; began Currant. [?] planted seed in Kolbed[?] 8 day. Earlier
than last year, will cut potatoes. I made grafting cloth &amp; put in a few Pears. Planted Peas.
Tuesday 21
[Temp. 30, 75, 54]
Del. got off &amp; Lou came tonight. Var. a little windy. Charley [?] &amp; furrowed[?] two spaces &amp;
planted the first potatoes. I took up all the cherries in the old nursery. I planted them in the
garden in a trench. Grafted the first pears. Mrs. Teal got apple trees. Raining.
[Page 38]
[note written above the date] Sold Polleys [?]

�Wednesday, April 22, 1863
[see symbol]
[Temp. 54, 64, 51]
Mary got off in Buss. Rained very hard in the night. Fine all day. Began again since dark. I set
the boys to spading the vineyard. I dared not venture out much. Jul &amp; I went over to Sallie's.
Raining hard. Put horses in the pasture.
Thursday 23
[see symbol above the date]
[Temp. 46, 54, 50]
Chalrey fixed fence across creek. Rained hard in the night again. Showery. Boys spaded in the
vineyard. Very bad day for me. Took cold sore throat &amp; hoarse pulled[?] a manificent[?]
Camielia[?]. Plums &amp; peaches all in bloom. Also some pears. Cloudy.
Friday 24
[Temp. 50, 70, 50]
Pears opening. Var. Splendid day, very heavy dew. Boys worked in the vineyard. I grafted
Giffard, Clion[?], &amp; Madeline Pears &amp; Krowser apples. [?] broke and I got a fall. Charley takes
sick again. Clear.
[Page 39]
[note written above the date] Push safe[?] the hen with clever young.
Saturday, April 25, 1863
[Temp. 46, 61, 49]
Jul left for town. Var. Splendid day but windy &amp; rather cool too. Cool to graft although I put in
a few [?] Boys worked in the vineyard. I made a hen coop for the hen which has hatched.
Clear. Got two pigs.
Sunday 26
[Temp. 40, 65, 55]
John called &amp; showed some graft he had put in. Hazy but very pleasant. Not warm enough to
graft. I trimmed off suckers &amp; laterals in front of young apples, staked &amp; had blackberries &amp;
tanned leaks on kitchen roof besides [?] considerably all over the orchard. Cloudy.
Monday 27
Mary did not come. Var. cool at sunrise but turned warm. Cloudy. Boys planted Peas, onions,
&amp; okrah. I rode Prince to Willowville[?] &amp; got well jolted[?] Wrote to Jul. Coffee &amp; Curtain[?]
stuff came tonight. Charley lie a vines.
[Page 40]
[note written above the date] Gave Tom salls, he is very costure[?]
Tuesday, April 28, 1863

�[Temp. 58, 68, 54]
Mary fooled us again. Var. showery &amp; drizzly all day. Charley tied a few [?]. Will &amp; Lou went
off after Pigs &amp; did not get back until suppertime. Lou quite sick. I made grafting cloth over &amp;
went after the bogs got damp. Took cold. Raining.
Wednesday 29
[Temp. 50, 64 ,53]
Var. Very heavy dew. Must have rained some in the night. Will took it unto his head to go
home. I let him go. Charley [?] vines all day. Poor Tom sick yet does not [?]. I grafted apples
and pears. Clear.
Thursday 30
[see symbol]
[Temp. 50, 70, 50]
Jul got home tonight. Var. Clear nearly all day. Magnificent day. I grafted [?]. Charley tied
vines. I rode on Prince to Johnsons to find out what to do for Tom. I gave him an injection[?].
His washingtons are in bloom. Clear.
[Page 41]
[note written above the date] Sent 4 lbs butter to Lanes
Friday, May 1, 1863
[Temp. 43, 77, 57]
Asparagus. Var. Splendid day. Every thing in bloom. We put Prince in the wagon with Tom for
the first time. He worked an old horse. Charley &amp; Lou spaded a bed in the garden. Shucked up
brush. I grafted pears and apples. Clear.
Saturday 2
[Temp. 50, 80, 68]
Wrote to the Commercial[?] Var. Very splendid day. Very warm. The boys wed Moore's
seedling Strawberry and Wilsons albany[?] I trimmed house vines and grafted a little. Took
Howers[?] out of Pot &amp; put out two Roses. Kate raked trash. Cloudy.
Sunday 3
[see symbol]
[Temp. 57, 63, 59]
Wrote to Robinson for [?] grape cutting. Var. Misted nearly all day. I was confined to the
house nearly all day. Did nothig but read, took small[?] out of the cellar. Rained about dark.
Girls went to Conklins. Teals &amp; Blanchard[?] Misting. Hen came out with 9 young ones.
[Page 42]

�[note written above the date] Heard Cookoo today.
Monday, May 4, 1863
[Temp. 58, 76, 61]
I grafted pears on Silver [?] Var. Splendid day very damp having rained in the night. Charley
worked at the Pasture fence &amp; tied strawberries. Will went off after breakfast &amp; fooled two
hours so I sent him home after dinner. Raining.
Tuesday 5
[Temp. 58, 66, 50]
I planted snap &amp; Lima Beans. Girls began cleaning house. Rained in the night. Several showers
today with a sprinkle of hail. Charley &amp; Tommy Sturgis the new boy &amp; Lou shelled corn. I
grafted Hubbs ditons[?] &amp; cut off accidentally a new seedling apple bloom. Mr. Sturgis s
washed. Clean &amp; cool.
Wednesday 6
[Temp. 48,, 56, 48]
Very cloudy. Girls &amp; two wmen cleaned house. Cloudy all day with a cool N.W. wind all day.
Too cold for grafting although I did some Pears. Boys trenched al arge bed for Beets &amp;
Planted[?] it. I spaded a strip for Mooses[?] seedling &amp; I planted it. Bummed[?] vines. Willy
Came in Buss &amp; brot a letter to his mother.
[Page 43]
[Temp. 44, 47, 43]
Sent Willy home this morning in the Buss. Cloudy &amp; rain all day. Drizzled after supper, very
bad for the fruit. Boys spade a bed in the garden [?] stacks &amp; burnt trash in old nursery. Jul &amp; I
rode over to Sallies with Tom. I saw Jones about fixing buggy. Raining.
Friday 8
[Temp. 44, 68, 52]
Brot. Plants out of the cellar. Var. cleared off smokey. Turned warm but I fear mildew has been
induced by the raw weather. Boys wed Strawberries &amp; trimmed vines. I grafted Pears &amp; I went
to the mill &amp; got 3 bushels corn ground weighed 130 lbs.
Saturday 9
[Temp. 45, 76, 60]
Ed came in Buss. Spit out melons. Var. the weather has returned to its higher state having been
on a cool [?] for two days. We had Prince in the plow and he worked first rate. Ploughed tow
spaces. Got in the first Sugar Corn &amp; some [?] Sugar Cane. I tarred the shed roof. Got out the
Stove. Clear.
[Page 44]

�Sunday, May 10, 1863
[Temp. 60, 80, 70]
[?] Shadoans had their had their Smokehouse. Var. very warm. I was very sick all night with
Cholera morbus vomiting and purging &amp; fever &amp; headache all day. Lou went after hadoan &amp;
Sallie &amp; took them home. Conklins took dinner. John called &amp; went all over the place. Cloud.
Monday 11
[Temp. 63, 84, 71]
Jane much better but evry weak. Clear all day. Will Johnson began ploughing the woods
cornfield. Boys burtn trash, planted sugar cane &amp; hoed Strawberries. I hooped water barrel, &amp;
Jul &amp; I went huntin.Turkey, Eggs, got 8 &amp; set a hen. Clear.
Tuesday 12
[see symbol]
Spell[?] of vertigo before I got up. Var. warm all day but pleasant. Charley furrowed some of
the wood, lot. I tarred the corn &amp; they willed it in. I did some Bartlett Pear grafting nearly the
last. Cleaned out Rochelle [?]. Clear.
[note written above the date]
Pink Boursaull[?] open. &lt;br
[Page 45]
Wednesday, May 13, 1863
[Temp. 61, 64, 57]
Var. Showery &amp; misty nearly all day. Mr.Johnston came and finished ploughing the wood.
Charley furrowed &amp; boys drilled the corn, slowwork. I staid in couse desably[?]. Clear. My
seedling Currant [?] for [?] [see symbol]
Thursday 14
[Temp. 55, 65, 50]
Jul spent the day at Sallie's. Var. Turned cool. Strong breeze. Mm. Johnson ploughed O.P.O. &amp;
some in Blanchard. Boys planted corn in the woods lot. I taned seed, made chicken coop under
plumtree, hoed grafted trimmed &amp; cooked. Clear.
Friday 15
[Temp. 42, 70, 36]
Boys finished planting woods &amp; covered the [written above]{early potatoes}. Var. very cool this
morning. Fair day. Mm. Johnson ploughs old nursery with his Sod[?] plough &amp; some of the [?]
orchard. I worked hard at different things. The [?] almost camein two. I patched it up with
grafting cloth. [?] more, corn.

�[Page 46]
Saturday, May 16, 1863
[Temp. 52, 78, 56]
[see symbol]
We cut off Calalpa[?] limbs.Var. got a little warmer. I went to get plugh sharpened &amp; to Vails
for Potatoes. Got one and a half bushels, had to pay $1. Charley borrowed Archy lot Prince did
not act well. They cut up the Potatoes. I began flower garden. Clear.
Sunday 17
[Temp. 46, 71, 53]
br&gt;Yellow Rose open.Var. splendid day a little cool. I hoed [?] Raspberry. Put out two [?] &amp;
cut off Suckers bobbed in a Peachtree &amp; examined fruit buds. Found Smiths Cides badly fizzled
out &amp; some others not much better. Clear.
Monday 18
[see symbol]
[Temp. 43, 65, 50]
Var. very cool all day. Fine very pleasant. Mr. Sturgis washed. Charley [?] ground in P.O. &amp;
they planted 4 spaces with corn. [?] peas &amp; made flowerbed. [?]
[Page 47]
[note written above the date] Grimsons[?] [?] First.
Tuesday, May 19, 1863
[Temp. 41, 76, 56]
I did up the border aside of the house. Var. very Col nearly a frost. It makes me uneasy about
the fruit which is left being blighted. Charley hassowed[?] &amp; ploughed all day. Boys cut grass
solidago[?] &amp; young brass. I cooked and did housework whilst Julia ironed. Clear. Planted
marrowtah?
Wednesday 20
Jul went to a quilting at Conklins. Cloudy all day. Looked very much like rain which we need.
They planted the rest of the potatoes. I made a bed with the garden and planted my young
seedling potatoes &amp; planted my yellow ones in the O.P.O. with the others. Clear.
Thursday 21
Jul went over to Sallie's. Smokey indian summer. Determined drouth but very hot. Boys dig
melon holes all afternoon. Lou &amp; G. planted yellow corn in the O.P.O. Jonny dug a bed for
beans. I was busy all day. Put in about 40 [?] grafts &amp; some peas. Smokey.
[Page 48]

�Friday, May 22, 1863
[Temp. 55, 88, 66]
Sent buuter to Del churned before breakfast. Same copper sun real indian summer. Vegetation
begins to suffer. No chance to plant saoked Sorghusse[?]. Jonny got tooth ache &amp; went home. I
worked hard all day making a new boddy[?] to the [?].
Saturday 23
[see symbol]
[55, 89, 68]
I sent Seedling Rhubard[?] to [?]. Smokey all day &amp; the hottest tet, but a breeze sprang up
afternoon which made it more pleasant. Charley finished the melon holes &amp; put manure in them.
I grafted some, found a few [?]. I took a bath in the creek. Clear.
Sunday 24
[Temp. 54, 82, 62]
Kate &amp; Jul went to Sallie's after dining. Var. all signs of rain passed off. Not so warm as
yesterday. I hamped[?] about all day. Went over to Johnsons but he was not at home. I saw a
few Washingtons opening[?]. Some of my conical seedling are opening[?]. Clear.
[Page 49]
Monday, May 25, 1863
[Temp. 58, 86, 68]
Lightning tonight. Var. another hot day, cool breeze. Charley [?] bluegrass all day in the apple
orchard. Boys pinched visies[?] and raked Hay and cooked it up. I made flowerbeds &amp; put out
vesbenas[?]. Clouds.
Tuesday 26
[Temp. 58, 89, 68]
Jul went to town to go to the Opera. Var. some signs of Rain if Thunder is any sign. Boys
pinched vines. Charley was all the forenoon hunting the Horses which got out last night. I did a
big job, took out the Pump and made a new [?] and fixed it first rate. Clear.
Wednesday 27
[Temp. 62, 87, 79]I put out melons from hotted [?] Var. Whe had a small shower in the night. It
was about half an inch. I made the boys plant Sorghum soaked seed. Charley harrowed the old
nursery and &amp; furrowed it out for Corn. I worked hard all day, very unwell feverish &amp; pain.
Cloudy.
[Page 50]
[note written above the date] I finished spadin Rose be hauled in Hay[?]
Thursday, May 28, 1863

�[Temp. 62, 84, 72]
Jul got home with Conklin. Smokey &amp; hazy all day. Sun pretty hot, Charley harrowed,
furrowed &amp; ploughed. The boys planted the last corn. Put in two rows Sugar Corn [written
above]{King Phillippe}. I worked all day, felt quite sick again feverish. Hazy.
Friday 29
[Temp. 63, 78, 68]
&lt;s. Teal &amp; Mr. Conklin took tea. Var. Splendid rain this morning. We got in soaked Sorghum.
We had another fine rain on our seed. I made a dead fall trap to catch a weasel which killed
sever[al] of our young chickens. Send for sweet potatoes.
May 30
[Temp. 64, 80, 64]
I replanted Lima Beans. Mr. Kennedy [?] Var. a very slight shower after dinner. I finished
ploughing front hill. Harrowed it and nearly killed the horses.Potato plants came last night were
only found this evening. Lou &amp; John made hills. I planted 200. I sowed Sorghum load. Cast
dry seed. I worked like Field.
[note written above the date] First Strawberries
Page 51
Sunday, May 31, 1863
[Temp. 62, 76, 64]
Lou took Ms Kennedy &amp; Baby home. Var. Rained smartly about breakfast time. Cleared off
finely until 5 P.M. when these came up a severe Thunder &amp; Rain &amp; Hailstorm. Our cistern '[?]
got stopped up with Hickory blossom &amp; ducked [?] finely [?]. Cloudy.
Monday June 1
[Temp. 62, 74 ,62]
Ms. D. washed. Boys made P. hills. Var. very high wind all day. Very cool and pleasant for
work, Charley ploughed hill back of the Barn. Carter mowed the lawn and part of P.O. Mr.
Blackburn of from [?] used Grass knife alld ay in wagon road[?] &amp;c. Splendid Snaps &amp;
Polebeans &amp; Sweet potatoes.
Tuesday 2
[Temp. 48, 76, 62]
Kate went with Conklins. I came home alone. Var. very cool all day. Mr. Blackburn cut grass
&amp; line the borders. I went to mill with wheat but could not get it ground. Got a little flower &amp;

�meal. Boys are all spaded borders. I taned some &amp; raked old Bark. They raked &amp; took in hay
which Carter cut yesterday (drizzling).
[Page 52]
[note written above the text] Del &amp; family came in Buss
Wednesday, June 3, 1863
[Temp. 51, 69, 52]
Var. very cool all day. Mr. B. lined baths &amp; raked all &amp; left for home. Kate worked like a horse.
I made a chicken Penn and put in 6. I went to Plainsville for the Conklins in their buggy. Boys
hunt for [?] but got none.
Thursday 4
[Temp. 42, 76, 60]
Dwarder &amp; Heaver[?] called. Var. Very cold this morning. Fine very comfortable. Horses got
out last night. Charley hunted them, raked hay in Pear O. I put out 70 Cabbage plants &amp; worked
hard all day. I raked borders &amp; lined some bed up. [?]. Cloudy.
Friday 5
Del went to Amelia &amp; brought [double underlined]{Jonny}. Var. cool again this morning. Boys
raked &amp; hauled litter &amp; hay al day out of P.O. I spaded a little bed opposite porch. Hoed
Tomatoes. Planted thee[?] tomatoes &amp; [underlined{30 Cabbages}. Kate raked in [?]. Clear &amp;
dry. Chickens ate my fine seedling.
[Page 53]
[note written above the text] Sent Jonny home.
Saturday, June 6, 1863
[Temp. 54, 68, 54]
Mrs. Hapgood[?] came in the buss. Var. very cool again. Fire would feel very good tonight.
Boys raked &amp; hauled trash &amp; hay out of P.O. &amp; cleaned up generally. I worked around the Pit &amp;
made one flowerbed. Put out a daily rose in oval bed. Clear &amp; cold.
Sunday 7
[Temp. 46, 68, 52]
Conklins &amp; M. McGelland[?] called. Var. very cool all day. We could not do without fire.
They, the females all took a walk through the woods. I tramped all over the place, Went almost
to every tree exam using the state of the fruit. Clear.
,br&gt;Monday 8
[Temp. 42, 70, 57]
Var. Cool all day but warmer than yesterday. Charley replants corn all day. Did not quite get
one hill done. I went to Balavia. Got Kates Licence to get married. Paid taxes &amp;c. I planted
potatoes in the missing [?] potato hills. Clear.

�[Page 54]Tuesday, June 9, 1863
[Temp. 48, 76]
Var. still cool too day for anything to grow G. replanted corn all day. We got 6 qrts of
Strawberries of Johnsons for tea[?]. I went mill &amp; got Flour &amp; Bran. Mr. Adams, Harrison, &amp;
Ed came in the Buss tonight. Ms. Clark chd not come. Cloudy.[see symbol].
Wednesday 10
[Temp. 50, 76, 54]
Kate was married to Adams at 3 P.M. Var. Splendid. Rain tonight began at 6 P.M. Ms. Clark
Maria &amp; Preacher Graham came. Miss Steuss same. Ed Woodruff, Harriet &amp; sons. Four Girls
sons Filch Adams, Jewel &amp; wife. Kate Mr. Hapgood[?] &amp; all left. Charley took Mrs. K home.
D[?] &amp; Sallie staid. I saw Mrs. Conklin home. Raining.
Thursday 11
[Temp. 66, 69, 61]
Rained at intervals all night. Va.r Splendid day. I planted Tomatoes, Meons &amp; Beets. Hoed
Beans &amp; Peas. Charley covered Potatoes, furrowed &amp; replanted King Philip corn.Pomological
Report came tonight. Strawberries are sour. Too cool to [?] well. Clouds.
[Page 55]
Frdiay, June 12, 1863
[Temp. 54, 80, 66]Var. Magnificent day. Just warm enough. I set Charley to mowing Blue
grass in the L[?].O. Lou &amp; I replanted K.P. &amp; Sugar Corn all that had missed, ta[?] dog. New
furrows. I had a weak [?]Cloudy. Some lightning.
Saturday 13
[Temp. 58, 80, 67]
Hanson rode Prince to B. Girls went to Picknic. Var. another splendid day. Charley hoed
Sorghum. I made a Turkey Pen. Put the hen in with [?] ones two died. I cleaned Austin
Strawberry Bed &amp; [?] it in busy all day. Cut last asparugus. Clear.
Sunday 14
[Temp. 61, 83, 66]
Turkey hens last one died. Var. Splendid day. Warmer than yesterday. I puttered the day away
looking and things. Lou took Sophy home after being here a whole week we were forced to pick
the cherries on the last tree to save them from the birds. Clear.
[Page 56]
Monday, June 15, 1863
[see symbol]

�[Temp. 58, 87, 72]
Harrison left in Buss. Var. Splendid day. Charley cut grass along the road and some in B.O. I
mended gate, made Sythe handle, planted the last of my potatoes, hoed beans &amp;c. Lou wed
Strawberries. They raked hay. Clear.
Tuesday 16
[see symbol]
[Temp. 64, 89, 73]
I worked hard all day weading &amp;c. Hazy all day but very hot &amp; close. Bill Dening began to cut
the orchard grass} but was taken sick &amp; had to quit. Charley mowed some. He &amp; Lou got the
hay up which was on the floor &amp; hauled in one load. Clear.
Wednesday 27
Gnats &amp; mosquitoes bad. Var. very hot again today but there was a fine breeze. Charley hauled
in Hay &amp; then we cooked up what Dening cut in O.O. orchard grass. I was not well all day. We
got up the Black gate &amp; [?] set it for the home pasture. Clear.
[Page 57]
[note written above the date] Interesting Letter from Kate on board boat.
Thursday, June 18, 1863
[Temp. 70, 80, 70]
Del rode to Jenkins. Cloudy &amp; hazy all day. Turned cool twoards night. Charley raked &amp;
hauled in three loads of Orchard grass. I worked all day mending over at the Barn. Made the
Grape Pen up again.
Friday 19
[Temp. 61, 78, 65]
Del &amp; Jul. went to Picknick. Harrison came out in Buss. Var. looked a little like rain this
evening but its all gone. Charley cut the rest of the orchard grass &amp; stuck Peas. He stole $45 out
of my closet. I [?] &amp; made him give up all he took, but my watch is all to pieces. Clear.
Saturday 20
[Temp. 60, 76, 61]
Ed came out in Buss, not at all well. Rained a little about daylight. Remained cloudy the rest of
the day. Jul Del Hanson &amp; I went to a Picinc near Milford in[?] Gatches woods &amp; enjoyeed it
very much. Charley hoed Corn all day I suppose. Cloudy.
[Page 58]
[note written above the date] Wrote To Hammond advice.

�Sunday, June 21, 1863
[Temp. 56, 76, 59]
Conklins called &amp; took wine [?]. Var. very cool all sitting by the fire this morning. I had a
pretty good [?]. Hanson &amp; Del took a walk through the O &amp; were delighted with appearances.
Emor called &amp; we had a walk &amp; talk. New Potatoes. Clear. Jul rode Prince.
Monday 22
[Temp. 54, 72, 62]
We all took tea at Conklin's. He left. Var. very cool and fine breeze all day. Charley began
ploughing Corn near the woods then raked up the Hay that was [?]. I worked all day at one thing
or other grafted apples &amp; budded Roses. Clouds.
Tuesday 23
[Temp. 58, 78, 66]
Ed left. We had Princes forefeet shot[?]. Var. Looked vry much like rain but none yet. C
ploughed Corn and hauled in Hay. I hoed &amp; wed all about reframed the Kitchen roof --- Stuck
Peas. Prince got out &amp; played smash. Got a new Girl Letitia Davis. Cloudy.
[Page 59]
Wednesday, June 24, 1863
[Temp. 60, 72, 60]
Var. Cloudy most of the day. Looked like rain but it turned cool &amp; got cooler. Charley
ploughed Corn all day. I turned the Shed roof &amp; repaired the Barn. Spliced the back piece.
Hoed. Planted beans.
Thursday 25
[Temp. 55, 72, 66]
Jul &amp; I went to Rice's and got Lard. Var. Cool all day. Some signs of rain which we need very
much. Charley ploughed &amp; hoed corn. I cleaned the weeds out of the Blackberries &amp; did some
day jobs. Very cloudy.
Frdiay 26
[Temp. 65, 70, 68]
Girls rode the horses to [?]. Very close. Rained in the night &amp; pretty hard today giving the
Ground a good soaking. G ploughed &amp; harrowed a [?] of the pond hill. Got seed potatoes of
Ms. Teal &amp; ploughed some. I did nothing. Horsesborke the fence &amp; got out twice. I got a post
in but the rain shoo[?] me in. Cloudy.
[Page 60]

�[note written above the date] Ed &amp; Harrison came out.
Saturday, June 27, 1863
[Temp. 65, 76, 71]
First Raspberries. Var. rained a little but none to hurt. Charley pluoghed &amp; harrowed &amp; planted
some Potatoes on the Barn hill &amp; ploughed the Currant [?]. Mend barn fence, budded roses &amp;c.
Horrors all day. Cloudy.
Sunday 28
[see symbol]
[Temp. 70, 78, 70]
Conklins called after tea. Girl left. Var. Showery oppressively. Not sun calcuated to bring on
the rot in grapes. rust in oak &amp; wheat [?]. I was around some. Tanned &amp; plached Kitchen &amp;
woodhouse roof &amp; put out Tomatoes in the Potatoe hills. Raining.
Monday 28
[Temp. 70, 83, 75]
Peas. Del &amp; Harrison left. Ed went with [written above] "Conklin." Rained very hard in the
night. Var. all day. Charley planted Potatoes back of the Barn. I planted a few in the S.P. hills.
Tarred roof and patched. Made sick by it. Put out Tomatoes. Sent for 10 bush Corn to Martins.
65 [?] Buss.
[Page 61]
Tuesday, June 30, 1863
[Temp. 69, 82, 74]
Del got home from town. Var. very hot not [?] breeze. G. ploughed Sty[?] [?]
[underlined}{Corn} &amp; Sorghum &amp; old nursery corn. Hoed out Blackberries &amp;c. I was not at all
well no sleep with Lou who has had fever two days from eating green fruit. Clear.
Wednesday, July 1
[see symbol]
[Temp. 70, 85, 73]
Conklins borrowed our Buggy. Var. a few drops of Rain fell about dark. Very hot. Lou's fever
continues &amp; is very distressing. Sent for Denis who left Calomel I gave him oil but has not [?]
yet. I hoed &amp; wed, trimmed gate arch. Warmer.
Thursday 2
[Temp. 70, 86, 74]
Got a splendid letter from Kate at. Var., a little shower in the night. Ver hot in the sun.
Unbearable. C mowed grass in the orch &amp; cut some Brians in the hollow behind the barn. Ms.

�D did a large wash. I loafed considerably. Took a splendid bath in the creek. Clear. Lou is
better.
[Page 62]
[note written above the date] Lou out of danger. Fever gone.
Friday, July 3, 1863.
[Temp. 70, 88, 70]
Ed. came up with Conklin. Var. Shower at sun down. Girlswent to Markleys after cherries but
they had not picked them. C. hoed between Dwarf Pears. Shocked up hay &amp; sawed wood. I
mended the well curb &amp; busy all day.
[note written above the date]
Lou sick again.
Saturday 4
[Temp. 71, 83, 72]
Harrison came in Buss. Brot Fireworks. Var. Showered in the night. Very wet nearly all day,
rather a poor 4th. Charley left in the Buss &amp; sent me word back that he had enlisted; a very
unfortunate circumstance. We had a grand display of Fireworks. Clear.
Sunday 5
[Temp. 70, 84, 74]
Ms. Kennedy walked over. Var. Splendid day. Very hazy dew. I had Charley work to do which
was very hard on the old Fogie but I suppose it must be did. I tramped about considerably.
Found the Jannet much fuller than I expected. Too many by [?]. Clear.
[Page 63]br&gt;
Monday 6, 1863
[see symbol]
[Temp. 70, 85, 73]
Harrison left in the Buss. Var. very warm all day. Ed &amp; I went to Plainville in the Buggy &amp;
from there we took the cars to town. I tried to hunt up Charley but found he had left. I tried to
sell my brandy but could not succeed. Cloudy.
Tuesday 7
[Temp. 70, 82, 75]
Good news about the war.var. rained after noon &amp; [?] the Haycock I had opened to dry from a
previous wetting. I barely had time to put up two, got sprinkled in the operation. I hoed &amp; wed
all the forenoon. Began trimming a Cedar near the front door. Cloudy.
Wednesday 8
[Temp. 70, 82, 74]

�I wrote to Ball. Del wrote to Kate. Var. The sun was scorching hot but there was a nice breeze.
I hoed melons &amp;c. afternoon. Lou &amp; I hauled in two load of Hay which used me up entirely.
Sampson came to get John to go to town with berries. Clear. Well bucket broke.
[Page 64]
[note written above the date]
Dean Johnson took the fruit to town
Thursday, July 9, 1863
Ms. Sturgis raised a sour. We all picked a bushel &amp; peck of Currant. Var. Smokey or hazy very
hot about noon &amp; during the afternoon. I picked Madeline Pears the same day as last year. Bob
Dickinson began today. Lou &amp; he picked Little Muscl. Cloudy.
Friday 10
[Temp. 68, 80, 72]
Contraband Jim came on Buss last night. Cloudy &amp; Smokey all day. Heat oppression at noon.
Jim I sent him to wkr hauling wood &amp; ploughing Corn &amp; Potatoes. Bob hoed Cabbages &amp; Sweet
Pota. I trimmed Cedar &amp; cut one down in front. Dean got back . Lou too [took?] wheat to mill.
Smokey.
Saturday 11
[Temp. 68, 80, 70]
Harrison came out. Letter from Kate. Heavy Fogg, cloudy all day much and has been for some
days. Jim ploughed near the woods then fooled away the rest of the day with Bob. I worked at
the Barnyard Gates nearly all day. Cut grass and cleaned up generally. Cloudy.
[Page 65]
[note written above the date]
Very cool all day Latitia came back.
Sunday, July 12, 1863
[Temp. 70, 70, 66]
Sallie &amp; D took dinner with us. Cloudy. Foggy &amp; Smokey all day. I tinkered best part of the
day. Cut a forest of young Aulanithus down in the Raspberry patch. Walked around topped
Peach trees. Lou took the Buggy with Sallie &amp; D to with amsville &amp; left it there soon[?].
Smoky.
Monday 13
[Temp. 62, 68, 66]Very cool all day. Had fire in the. Same cloudy smokey sky. Misted most of
the day. Jim ploughed corn near the wood. I wrote a long letter to Hammond. Their men did

�latch up little gate which Tom broke &amp; got out let the cow out. Spoill my seedling strawberry.
Cloudy.
Tuesday 14
[Temp. 66, 76, 66]
Ed walked up from Columbia. Var still smokey &amp; cloudy but the sun shone a little the first time
in six days. Jim ploughed Corn but the Morgan Scare stopped all work &amp; there was very little
done. I was under the weath[er]. Trimmed cedars &amp; hoed melons. Lou &amp; Bob hooked up
Buggy apples. Cloudy.
[Page 66]
[note written above the text] Toe tied tom &amp; Prince in the woods. No mail, Morgan stole
Cleveland's horse. Var. cool &amp; pleasant all day. Calvary from Tennessee &amp; Kentucky passing
nearly all day. We gave them bread &amp; butter &amp; apples. Could not keep the boys at work for too
long. Horses compressed all along the road. Cloudy wind.
Thursday 16
[Temp. 62, 71, 68]
Prince is out. Buss stopped running. Var. Still shown today nearly clear very cool. They
picked up apples, got up six barrels of strawberries. Harvest, Red, Sheaks, Benonis &amp; Astracan
Bough &amp;c. I did a snended[?] The Porch Hoor &amp; fixed the apples. Clear. Quarrel[?]
Friday 17
[Temp. 52, 71, 62]
Violent pain in my side. Ed left. Var. just such a day as yesterday. Dean Johnson kept here &amp;
loaded up &amp; started at 3 AM. He got back at about 3 P.M. Sold the apples at $1[.]50 for barrels.
Boys picked Currants the last &amp; reaped some wheat. I fixed big Barn Gale post. Prince out all
night.
[Page 67]
Saturday, July 18, 1863
[Temp. Harrison came. Bus went down. Var. very cool this morning. Very hot in the middle of
the day. Jim shocked the wheat which they all cut, he cutsome Brians &amp; wed Strawberries. I
was sick with pain in the side &amp;c. Made 10 qrts Currant wine.
Sunday 19
Frist Blackberries. Duchess of Oldenburg [?]. Var. Clear most of the day &amp; very hot sun. I
loafed about mosto f the day. Read &amp; slept. I am very weak &amp; good for nothing. Horrors for
several days first in great pain one way or other.
Monday 20

�[70, 88, 74]
My proposition to make peace repulsed. Var. very hot in the middle of the day, after a deal of
distant thunder we had a hard shower after which we had several small ones. Jim mowed
Timothy in in [repeated word] spots. Boys picked up apples. The rain stopped them. Cloudy.
[Page 68]
[note written above the date]
Del and Jul left for town with Conklin.
Tuesday, July 21, 1863
Dean came over and loaded up. Var. misted al night but ltitle rain fell. Boys got up with my
assistance 6 Barrels of Apples. One basket. Ms. Dickinson picked a [?] Goosberries. I hoed the
Melons &amp; did sun dry other things. Cloudy.
Wednesday 22
Dean went to town with apples &amp; gooseberries. Var. Cloudy most of the day. Jim worked. Cut
Strawberries &amp; raked up some hay. Boys hoed sweet Potatoes &amp;c. wed Berries. I fixed Gate
Post to the Pasture. I fixed Pasture fence. Lou took Curtains to with amsvilel on Prince. No
cow.
Thursday 23
[Temp. 60, 84, 68]
Jul &amp; Del got home with Coknlin. Va.r very hot in the afternoon. I made them hoe the late
Potatoes. Jim cut at Brians &amp; Bob wed at Strawberries. I was tormented to death watching
them. I cut suckers out of the front orchard &amp; busy all day clouds. Cows got in.
[Page 69]
[note written above the date]
I never fasted so long before
Friday 24
[Temp. 64, 89, 77]
Var. &amp; hot to the killing point. Jim gathered apples &amp; boys all together picked up about one &amp;
half Barrels. I drove Prince in the wagon down to Carmel &amp; had wagon &amp; plough fixed. Ms.
Conklin &amp; she took a ride of about 70 miles[?]. Cloudy.
Saturday 25
[Temp. 76, 80, 68]

�Jim hauled in the wheat [?] shock. Var. One shower at 8 AM after hard one at 3 PM. Ms.
Dickinson &amp; Lola hoed corn near the woods. Jim and Bob pretended I did nothing but follow
them up. Mended a basket handle. Trimmed some. Clear.
Sunday 26
[Temp. 71, 86, 72]
Var. Splendid day. Hot in the morning. Jul Del Pearl &amp; I went over &amp; spent the day at
Williamsons. We took wheat to mill &amp; had it ground 20 Bushels. We had a pleasant time &amp;
delightful ride home. Cloudy.
[Page 70]
Monday, July 27, 1863
[see symbol]
[Temp. 64, 78, 66]
Var. A little cooler since the rain. Viola &amp; Kathie hoed corn all day. Ms. D washed. Bob cut
his finger &amp; could not work. Lou Jim &amp; I got up the load. 2 Benonis 2 Strawberry 1 Red Sheak
&amp; mixed Basket of Pears. Clear.
Tuesday 28
{Temp. 58, 78, 66]
3rd load pears. Dean went to town with apples. Var. Cool pleasant same as yesterday. Ole Ms.
Dickinson &amp; Lolitia went to hunt Blackberries but got very few. Jim hoed some. I picked 3 qrts
of Berries on the hill. I took up a US Mare &amp; Mule &amp; somebody colt &amp; done know what to do
with them. Clear.
Wednesday 29
[Temp. 59, 84, 78]We started for Withamswille. Var. Fine but very warm at noon. Cool night.
Jim &amp; Dickinson girls hoed corn. I mended in wod bed. Jim hauled a load out of Ms. Bowoods
&amp; one load for Ms Dickinson. Jul, Ms Conklin, Prince &amp; I on the new colt. She reared &amp; fell on
her back &amp; nearly broke my back, broke the Bridle.
[Page 71]
[note written above the date]
Bloodyoods &amp; B of Bruscelli[?] this afternoon.
Thursday 30
[Temp. 58, 79, 71]
I sent Pears down by Buss &amp; Picked the rest. Rained splendidly most of the night. Fine day,
after the rain. Jim &amp; I mended the front fence where the mule &amp; all the horses got out. We got
Prince &amp; the Colt which moved to be McGuires. We got the mail[?] this evening the mule
following. I make Jim him him[?] out.

�Friday 31
[Temp. 76, 85, 72]
I sent 5 buckets of Pears by Buss to Peterson. Var. splendid day rained finely after dinner.
Dickinsons hoed in the forenoon. Jim hoed. C plough with the mare but she would not work.
He tried her in the wagon. She worked but too fast. Boys picked up apples. I picked Peasrs
Juliennes.
Saturday, August 1
[see smybol]
[Temp. 66, 85, 72]
Ed came with Conklin. Harrison in Buss. Var. Splendid day very hot at noon. Dean went with
the 4th Load, 5 Barrels. Sent 18 reviums[?] &amp; 6 Hydraneas to Heaver. Jim mowed weeds in
P.O. &amp; picked B. Berries. I soldered load Strawberries &amp;c. Jul rode the Morgan Marc[?] to
Depot, much pleased with her. Clear.
[Page 72]
Looked like rain alone times.
Sunday, August 2, 1863
[Temp. 68, 88, 73]
Ms. Kennedy walked over. Var. very hot &amp; oppressive in the afternoon. I went around this
forenoon and lookd at things &amp; then again with John who called after dinner just as I was going
to write to Kate. Felt rather dull today. Clear.
Monday 3
[Temp. 68, 86, 75]
Var. very hot again today. Dickinsons hoed corn all day. Lou &amp; Bob picked up apples. Jim
threshed out the wheat with a flail. Lou took Ms. K home and brought bakc Sallie &amp; D. I did
nothing but write to Kate. Cloudy.
Tuesday 4
[Temp. 72, 86, 70]
Tom Kane &amp; another fellow came after the mare. Var. we had a nice little rain. Jim &amp; I picked
the Julienne Pears. Lou &amp; Bob picked Apples 5 Barrels, they then began picking Dearborns
which are over ripe. D went to Bowers &amp; got a Keg of Beer we left it &amp; had some. John Lane
claims the mare.

[Page 73]
Wednesday, August 5, 1863

�[Temp. 72, 80, 74]
Jim took D &amp; Sallie home with the Mare. Var. Another fine shower today. Several during the
day. Jim &amp; B sawed wood, gathered about 1/2 bush Dearborns. Bob hoed Cabbage &amp; Dwarf
Pears. I could not be out much. Mended big gate latch &amp; did undry other thing. Cloudy.
Thursday 6
[Temp. 70, 84, 70]
Jul went to town in Buss. Sent $50 to George. Var. Splendid day after the rain. Jim &amp; Bob
hoed King Philip Corn. Lou picked berries. I fixed big gate again. Sent 2 Baskets Dearborns to
town Buss he got $1.25 pr basket. I keep me busy overseeing. Clouds.
Friday 7
[Temp. 70, 84, 76]
Var. We had high wind &amp; severe Thunder afternoon but no Rain although it looked very much
like it. Lou took wagon &amp; had Spring mended &amp; Tom shod[?]. Byos picked up apples. I
followed up. Made them cut Chapral down by the old nursery. Cloudy.
[Page 74]
[note written above the date]
Harrison came in Buss. Peaches.
Saturday, August 8, 1863
[Temp. 74, 86, 76]
Julia came home with Conklin. Var. hot at noon as usual. Jim &amp; Bob finished cutting Chaparal
then hoed in the sweet Potatoes. Piece around the Pears. I was busy. Two men authorized came
&amp; took the Mare. I had a hot walk up to John Lanes. Coughed nearly all the evening. Clouds.
Sunday 9
[Temp. 74, 89, 79]
Ms. K. walked over the evening. Var. very hot the hottest day in the season; I did some weeding
in my Flower garden &amp; walked over the orchard twice, once with Harrison &amp; Del they were [?]
the quantity of apples, someone stole all the [?] berries.
Monday 10
[Temp. 70, 89, 74]
I drank beer all day in place of water. Var. Thunder &amp; signs of Rain but only a drizzle. Jim &amp;
Lou &amp; I picked up the load of apples. Bob got sick. Hogs got in &amp; bore and eat up nearly all our
lake Potatoes including my fine new seedling. I hard time fixing the fence. Clear.
[Page 75]

�Tuesday, August 11, 1863
Cranberry. Hogs played smash. Var. Very hot, but fine breeze. Splendid Thundershower
afternoon. Boys pciked up apples &amp; [?] weeds. Dean took 1[?] Barrels 6 load 6 market. I
discovered that the Hogs have destroyed all our Potatoes. I did nothing but loaf. Cloudy.
Wednesday 12
[see symbol]
[Temp. 64, 80, 68]Jul &amp; Ms C took a ride. Var. Splendid day after the rain nearly the whole day.
Consumed in his [?] the infernal hogs they were finishing the Potatoes &amp; beginning on the corn.
There are two in yet. They got up some apples &amp; cut a few weeds. Clear. I picked a bushel
Bannalis for Kane.
Thursday 13
[Temp. 64, 84, 72]
Ms. Williamson &amp; Ms Bond spent the day with us. Frist Corn. Var. fine day. We had two more
Hog hunts. They broke in twice &amp; there is me in now. They picked up apples. I washed some
which made me sick. I had a hot fever at noon lasted all the afternoon. I had hard work to get up
[?] Barrels. Clear.
[Page 76]
[note written above the date]
7[?] load.
Friday, August 14, 1863
[Temp. 64, 84, 72]
Del &amp; Ms. K canned Peaches. Var. Splendid weather for growing. Jim &amp; Bob cut Briar &amp;
weeds. Dean took six bushels of apples to market. Sold two. Lou gone to Williamsville on
Prince. I fixed the cast &amp; front gate handle. Clear. First Citron Melons.
Satuday 15
[see symbol]
[Temp. 70, 87, 72]
Del &amp; Jul went &amp; met Ed in Roseville. Var. very warm no breeze. Jim mowed Briars &amp; Bob cut
the Raspberries front of the [?] door. Bob hoed potatoes on the Barn hill. I worked all day.
They canned Peaches &amp; Tomatoes. Lou went to Mill on Tom got one Blush ground. Cloudy.
Sunday 16
[Temp. 70, 74, 74]
First Water Melons. Cloudy. Splendid Shower with distant Thunder after dinner. I walked
down &amp; looked at the Corn. Found that the Coons were destroying it badly. Tied Carlo down
there tonight. Too wel to go out after the rain. Cloudy.

�[Page 77]
[note written above the date]
Del canned Peaches.
Monday, August 17, 1863
[Temp. 64, 83, 79]
Ms. K went to Sallies on Tom &amp; back. Var. Sun at noon. Very hot. Signs of rain. Boys picked
up some apples and some pears. I hoed a little in side &amp; [?] path. Julia &amp; Ms. K. canned 12 cans
of Peaches. I was busy all day. We had Lima Beans today. Cloudy.
Tuesday 18
[Temp. 62, 84, 72]
Jul &amp; Ms. C. gone on Prince &amp; Tom to C. Var. just such a day as yesterday. Boys Jim &amp; Lou
finished getting Six Barrels of Apples, two baskets of Lowels &amp; two of Peaches &amp; one of Pears.
I was awake all night with Lou, felt bad all day. Del went to town in Ms Leals Buggy. Two best
melons stole last night. Clear.
Wednesday 19
[Temp. 62, 87, 72]
Del &amp; Jul took [?] Mrs. Teal. Var. very hot today at noon. Jim pretended to hoe potatoes under
ash tree. I was on the hots all day. Dean took in apples 6 Barrels 2 basket of[?] peaches one of
pears. Lou took oil cloth over to Willamsville. Coons &amp; Hawks taking the chickens. Clear.
[Page 78]
Thursday, August 20, 1863
[Temp. 64, 88, 73]
Sent Ms. Bond some Peaches by Buss. Var. warm in the middle of the day. Jim had two shells
at at [repeated word] the Pasture fencebut Prince would not get out. He picked up Apples &amp;
Peaches. Ms. K. picked for Ms. Dickinson one bushel. I was busy all day. Tired out
completely. Clouds.
Fridy 21
[Temp. 66, 87, 74]
Very tired tonight. [?] played hell last night. Var. hot again in the middle of the day. They all
gathered apples. Picked two barrels maidens blush 6 barrels &amp; half 2 baskets Peaches one of
Bartletts the first of the season. I sorted apples all day. Made a new Block but [?] all day.
Clouds.
[Page 79]

�[note written above the date]
Harrison brot up two fine melons
Sunday, August 23, 1863
[Temp. 70, 86, 76]
Conklin called this evening. Va.r very hot about 2 P.M. Harrison &amp; Del went to Camp Meeting.
Twice I walked over the place &amp; found a great many apples down. Del concluded not to go
home for a couple fo weeks yet.
Monday 23
[Temp. 74, 72, 68]
Harrison left in Buss. Ed footed it from Rockhill. Var. We had a fine thunder shower about 3
P.M. Rained hard. Lou took the wagon down to have the spring mended. Jim picked up apples.
Sorted some. Del Jul &amp; I rode to the gate with Prince in the wagon. He went well. Cloudy.
Tuesday 25
[see symbol]
[Temp. 56, 64, 58]
Rained a little this morning. Out to Bull. Cow laid.Cloudy all day and so coold that we had to
make fire in the Parlour all day. Boys picked up apples all day. I picked up pears &amp; made them
Baskets out of Peaches. A dead Buck fell on the Rome Beauty on the road. I worked hard to get
up the load. Jul canned Peaches.
[Page 80]
Wednesday, August 26, 1863
[see symbol]
[Temp. 48, 70, 52]
We took two on Conklins. Ms. C sick. Va.r Coolest day or morning I ever know in August. We
had fire again all day. Dean took Apples Pears &amp; Peaches. I mended fence which Prince broke
down &amp; both gates. Dean got home before 2 P.M. Clear.
Thursday 27
[see symbol]
[Temp. 46, 70, 57]
Var. very cold again today. Jim Lou &amp; Letitia got up the laod of apples. I went to Carmel got
Tom Shed &amp; got 12 Bushels of Corn of Sammy Lanethen sorted apples &amp; Peaches to Banch
Apples &amp; 5 Bash Peaches.
Frdiay 28
[Temp. 59, 70, 58]

�Cloudy all day. Looked stormy. Rained just as Dean got home for 15 minutes. Jim cut brass in
the hollow. Lou went to Sallie's on Prince for the Buggy but did not get it. I went to town in
Buss to see about a Nigger, but did not suit myself. Cloudy. Missed the Buss but caught it.
[Page 81]
Harrison came. I sent Pears by Buss.
Saturday, August 29, 1863
[Temp. 56, 66, 49]
Jim picked up apples. Var. Rain in the night &amp; a little just at daylight. Very cool all day. Dean
came over &amp; helped me to fit the new Bows to the wagon. I picked two baskets of splendid
Bartletts. Lou took apples to Dairs &amp; had a barrel of Cider. Clear &amp; Cold.
Sunday 30
[Temp. 36, 63, 47]
Two Splendid. Var, very Codl, White Frost. Unprecedented weather for the season. Had to have
fire all day. Sweet Potatoes vines Cut Squashes &amp;c. D[?] &amp; Lilla spent the day with us. Mrs.
Teal called. I picked splendid Bartletts, was over the place. Clear &amp; Cold.
Monday 31
[see symbol]
[Temp. 40, 64, 54]
I rode Prince down to Store for Eggs &amp;c. Va.r Cool but splendid day. Boys haled one load of
wood from Keltmans woods. They pciked up apples, Made 6 barrels, loaded up the cider &amp; 5 Br
apples 3 baskets. Splenddi Bartletts, 2 Bs. Peaches the last. I mased finger loading. Clear up.
[Page 82]
[note written above the date]
He drove Prince. Del &amp; Jude packed up.
Tuesday, September 1, 1863
[Temp. 48, 80, 62]
Del brought the buggy home repaired. Var. very fine day turning warm again. Frost. Cut the
corn blades some. Mrs D &amp; Letetia picked up apples before dinner. I went to Benniets &amp; to
Mrs. Teals. Settled with her. Dean got home early. Johnson took al oad to Temples Cider Mill.
Clear.
Wednesday 2
[Temp. 48, 83, 70]
Jul left for Warren &amp; Del left in wagon fr [for] home. Var. Warmer today getting back to the old
notch. They picked up apples. Ms. K picked some Peaches. I went to the Liberty Mill but

�found all dry. Had to go to Perrintown but they could not grind. I got 46th flower. Temple
could not make our cider. Bad cold &amp; sore throat. Cloudy. S.
Thursday 3
[67, 76, 66]
Conklins mare Fanny died last night. Cloudy all day. Misted a little. Mrs. Lee, Tom &amp; Lou
picked up apples. Lou took the apple from Temples to Davis. Mrs. K drove Prince to Batavia &amp;
back in the Buggy &amp; was pleased with him very much. I picked pears all day. Sent on Basket to
Gatte by the Buss.
[Page 83]
Friday, September 4, 1863
[Temp. 50, 75, 60]
I coughed terribly last night. Throat. Var. cool all day. Ms Ward, Ms Dickinson, Letitia picked
up apples all day. Jim &amp; Lou, Ms. K picked up some. I picked Bartletts. Splnedid fellows.
Dean takes seven baskets to Gattie's &amp; five barrels of apples. Dair failed to make the cider.
Clear.
Saturday 5
[Temp. 58, 83, 76]
Var. hotter day than it has been for some time. I made the boys hoe Sweet Potatoes &amp; trim
hedge. I was sick but picked Bartletts all day off of the English Tree. Dean took 5 Bls. Apples
to town and 7 barrels apples to Gattie. Cloudy.
Sunday 6
[Temp. 64, 78, 68]
Ms. K drove Prince to Sallie's &amp; bot Don back. Rained some in the night and pretty hard about
breakfast time. The boys pulled the wagon down &amp; picked up another filled 5 barrels with
apples already picked up by the women. I was very unwell all the forenoon &amp; afternoon. I
assorted 6 &amp; 1/2 bushel Bartletts &amp; Amalis. I made a frame to fit the box.
[Page 84]
Monday, September 7, 1863
[Temp. 64, 80, 70]
Lou went after cider &amp; brot it &amp; Barrel. Var. Comfortable today. I had not so much fever as
yesterday but a terrible coughing spell in the afternoon. Dean took 6 bsk Barletts to Gablr &amp; 3
1/2 bushels Amalis to Peterson. Only got $1.50 bushel. Boys pulled up apples. I went to store
on Prince.
Tuesday 8

�[Temp. 64, 86, 76]
Arranged with Dair to make Brandy. Var. very little sun but oppressively hot. Threatening rain.
Distant thunder. I was very unwell but assorted five baskets of Bartletts. Butter &amp; Stone. They
bid up apples. Get 5 in the wagon &amp; 1 Bl Cider. I rode to Williamsville took measure fr [for]
Botors.
Wednesday 9
[Temp. 64, 68, 64]
Va.r Rained nearly all night. Dean could not get off until 5 A.M. then started in the rain. Cider
nearly all leaked out. Sold it for 6 cents for Gall. Boys &amp; Lil picked up apples &amp; Pears. I
mended baskets &amp; picked up Pears. Cloudy &amp; Cool.
[Page 85]
Thursday, September 10, 1863
[Temp. 58, 78, 68]
Var. Splendid day. Byos &amp; Lit picked up apples &amp; filled 7 Barrels. I picked up Pears &amp;
Assorted three baskets 1 Butter &amp; Butter 2 Louise Bonnes. Mended wagon made a seal for
Dean. Lou had Tom shod &amp; hauled apples to Dair.
Friday 11
[Temp. 66, 86, 76]
Sent 3[?] Bsk Pear[?] to Gatti. Va.r pretty hot today. Ms. Dickinson pciked up paples all day.
Jim &amp; Lou hauled &amp; put in Barrels. I worked like a horse all day, used out.Completely managed
to sort out 2 Baskets of Pears. Dean had the best load of the season. I got the poorest prices.
Saturday 12
[see symbol
[Temp. 66, 66, 64]
I assorted all the Pears on the Porch. Var. Drizzled nearly all forenoon. Rained pretty hard after
dinner. Ms. Dickinson picked up apples all the forenoon. Jim took the wagon down &amp; picked
out 5 Bls &amp; ten bushels. Specked ones. Dean took 6 barrels apples &amp; 2 Baskts Pears one to
Gath sold the other 17 load very poor sale. Cloudy.
[Page 86]
Sunday, September 13, 1863
[Temp. 62, 70, 61]
Conklin &amp; McClellan called to see about [rest of sentence written above the date] McClellans
going with Dean.[?] Cloudy all day very heavy dew. I went out over the place &amp; had damp feet
all day. Jim got up two barrels of apples making 8. I fixed one basket of Pears. I put a cork in
the Brandy and measured 10 Galls for Metz. Clear.

�Monday 14
[Temp. 58, 70, 64]
Dean took 8 barrels &amp; 1 basket Pears home with him. L[?] came. Var. Pretty cool all day. Ms
Ward Him &amp; Ms Kennedy picked up apples. Letitia pretended. I went to town. Buss broke
down on Rose Hill. Conklin &amp; I walked to Plainville &amp; took the cars. Went to Del's and dined,
bot a pair of wheels for $2 to make a cart. Clear.
Tuesday 15
Dean got home early &amp; went after Sheaf oats. Var. Very warm today. Ms. D, Ms W. Ashurn
Bennet Jm &amp; Lou picked up apples. I went on Prince to Engage Ms Teals mare for town tonight.
They got up the load [?]. I went to see Kilgour about making the Cart. Took salts and felt weak
all day. Clear.
[Page 87]
[Temp. 68, 78, 72]
We had Teals mare today. Var. Looked very much like rain fortunately it held off. Ms. K went
with Prince &amp; Buggy to Tests. We then hauled with Fodder G Youn tied up a little &amp; left. Jim
&amp; Lou assorted 2 Barrels &amp; filled 4 other. Foold time. I was mending baskets &amp; assortnig Pears
all day.
Thursday 17
[Temp. 69, 77, 65]
Ms. K cut grass &amp; wed rose bed. Var. looked rainy all day. Rained a little all the afternoon &amp; is
pouring down pretty well now. Jim &amp; lou got up 8 Barrels, Dean &amp; Jim loaded. D got back at 5
PM today. We cannot Teals mare we cannot go. I mended Barrels &amp; looked after them.
Raining hard.
Friday 18
[Temp. 54, 58, 48]
Metz sent for 15 bushels Cider Apple &amp; Brandy his 10 Gale[?]. Rained nearly all night turned
cool &amp; cold in the course of the day. Jim cut Briars &amp; slept part of the time. Dean got off at 2
P.M. with 8 barrels &amp; 2 Bushels of Peaches. I went to Mill Perrintown with Prince after the
Flour. He wokred splendidly in the Buggy, forded the river without hesitation.
[Page 88
Saturday, September 19, 1863
[Temp. 45, 50, 48]
Jake was grinding. Dean got back to supper. Var. Cloudy all day but about 5 minutes very cold
very much like frost. I did a cold job patching the rooves. Bennet, Jim &amp; Lou picked up apples.

�I took old wheels &amp;c. up to Kilgores to make the cart. Went to see Myers about Brandy. Saw
Jake. Cloudy.
Sunday 20
[Temp. 32, 60, 47]
John called &amp; we went round some. Clear all day. Froze last night. Cut everything tender, even
Sorghum leaves. I fear it will stop the growth of late apples. Jannets not half grown. I hoed
Ships of old carpet[?] on the new Shed roof with Tar. I think it will do but I was too weak to go
on. Dean loaded up 8 barrels. Clear.
Monday 21
[Temp. 48, 71, 60]
Dean got home &amp; loaded up New Ink[?] Var. Moderated considerably. Very pleasant today.
M.D. &amp; Ward picked up apples only the good ones. Jim helped load 45 bush Brandy apples.
Lou made 3 loads. I worked all day. Made a light Ladder, mended Barrels &amp;c. Engaged Malot
to work. Clear &amp; Windy.
[Page 89]
[note written above the date]&lt;Jim &amp; Lou took apples to Davis &amp; brot back Brandy
Tuesday, September 22, 1863[Temp. 48, 68, 52]
Dean got back early. Var. Turned cooler to day. Jim &amp; Lou got up the load. Malott began
Totaling[?] Cor. I as usual busy. Finished a small basket begun by Millow. Drs Kline &amp;
Chapman from Camp Dennison called to see about Shubbery for their place. Clear.
wednesday 23
[Temp. 41, 75, 60]
Drove Teal's mare. Dean took 8 Barrels, got home at 5 P.M. Var. pretty cool this morning.
Ward Dickenson &amp; Bennet picked up apples all day. Made poor headway. I went to Kilgores &amp;
had the cart finished. Got home by 1 P.M. Made iron corners &amp; pruned nearly the whole of it.
Malot topped corn. Regt 4 Galls in my Klegg [?]. Clear.
Thursday 24
[Temp. 56, 78, 66]
I draw out 8 Galls Brandy &amp; put it in first barrel. Var. A little thunder &amp; 10 drops of rain this
evening. Jim &amp; Lou got up the load 8 barrels. I mended Basket &amp; finished pruning cast all but
the weels. Jim worked some on the roof. Dean got home at 5 P.M. Geo. Young began cutting
Briars along Conklins fence. 1 Letter from Jude. Cloudy.
[Page 90]
Friday, September 25, 1863
[Temp. 52, 60, 51]

�Var. Turned very cool in the night. Windy. N Jim Lou &amp; Sturgis Boy &amp; Girl picked up. A
Bennet &amp; Bob began but quiet at one Barrel. I painted Cart box &amp; wheels. Malot finishe [?] 4 &amp;
a half days. Young Cut Briars. Sent one load to Davis. Dean got home at dusk.
Saturday 26
[Temp. 38, 63, 44]
Dr. Mets called &amp; pd me for Adir[?] apples. Var. White frost this morning. Warm during the
day but alarming. Cold tonight. Hattie D. Sturgiss &amp; sister picked up apples all day. Jim &amp; Lou
picked up bad ones. I painted [text strikethrough]{bad ones} &amp;c. Bob Ely called and got some
splendid specimens of apples to show at the Indiana State Fair.
Sunday 27
[Temp. 34, 71, 54]
Dean &amp; Jim loaded up. Var. moderated towards noon. I painted new headblock &amp; rims of
wagon wheels &amp; front spring. Mended two baskets, Potted a rose, Mended Cart, walked over
orchard, Cut some Sorghum grass. Jim &amp; Lou got the apples assorted. Clear.
[Page 91]
[note written above the date]
Overdid myself today.
Monday, September 28, 1863
[Temp. 44, 80, 60]
Dean took 8 barrels. Man called to see sugar. Var. Warmer than yesterday. Carter girl &amp; Stur
girls, 1 Dickinson picked up apples, Jim oversaw &amp; loaded bushels for Metz. I picked up some
&amp; assorted, Jim got up 4 barrels. Ms K cut &amp; trimmed Isabella grapes. I cleaned up barn, took
down Press &amp; patched straw. Clear.
Tuesday 29
[Temp. 50, 80, 62]
Dean brought out 200 feet of Lumber. Splendid clear day just right for work. Girls &amp; John
picvked belleflowers all forenoon. Just after dinner John got up the load. Shadoan Sallie &amp;
Leila came over &amp; shook down Broadwells &amp; Talmans for Cider. I mended mended[repeated
word] &amp; picked Capieumont[?] Clear. He left after dinner[?]
Wednesday 30
[Temp. 54, 80, 63]
D drove Prince to Perrintown &amp; back before dinner. Var. Cloudy nearly all day. Jim Salie Rose
Leita &amp; I got up the load. Dean did not get off until after breakfast. Ducket called in the night
but could not wake. Dean, I cleaned up Barn &amp; mended what the Mare broke. She eat half our
shirts up. Cloudy.

�[Page 92]
[note written above the date]
Could not get up the load today.
Thursday, October 1, 1863
Spring broke for the 4 time. Var. Musted at daylight &amp; continued with steady rain all evening
during the intervals. Boys picked up apples, John Sturigs picked one band. Dean had a bad day
of it. I mended basket, painted plough, filed saw &amp; cleaned up tool shelf. Raining steady.
Friday 2
[Temp. 50, 66, 50]
Ed &amp; Jul got home from Warren. Var. Turned cool towards night. Jim Sturgis Frank &amp; Lou
picked up apples. Dean went after corn. I rode Lone to Blacksmiths &amp; had his shoes pulled off
he being used up for work for some time. Tarred the roof. Assorted 2 bskt Pears. Clear.
Saturday 3
[see symbol]
[Temp. 44, 73, 50]
Dean got home to supper. Var. trimmed a little cool after the rain. Windy towards evening.
Blew down the fruit terribly. Strugis boys picked all day. Jerin[?] got up [?] for Davis then
assorted the load &amp; got it up. I &amp; Jim hauled load of wood with Prince. Un[?] apples &amp; sorted
Pears.
[Page 93]
[note written above the date]
Polly went Bull again.
Sunday, October 4, 1863
[Temp. 46, 48, 42]
Jude &amp; I went to Conklins after supper. Cloudy all day turned very cold &amp; raw. Ed &amp; I walked
around the orchard. I repaired &amp; cleaned out my Pit &amp; potted &amp; put nearly all the Flowers down.
Sent everywhere to get a horse but without success. Finally got Teal's mare. Cloudy.
Monday 5
[Temp. 40, 47, 42]
Dean started at 1 P.M. Prince hauled Cart into the Barn full. Cloudy all day very raw for the
season. I am dreading snow tonight. Jim got up 15 bush apples for Metz took Ms. Ks apples to
Davis &amp; obe load for us. Fourhand picked besdies Ed who picked 10 bush Belleflowers off the
trees. Hard work, we put 12 Bushels in the cart. Dean got back at 2 P.M.

�Tuesday 6
Shadean was here twice on horseback. Var. very little sunshine the first for four days.
Moderated some. Four pickers with Ed picked Belleflowers all day I was busy as a bee. Ms K
took Prince to Davis &amp; got 2 Bls Cider to Williamsville &amp; sold one barrel &amp; some gallons &amp; 3 &amp;
1/2 bushels apples. Jim hauled up a cartload of Belleflowers. Cloudy.
[Page 94]
WEdnesday, October 7, 1863
[Temp. 45, 52, 44]
Rained nearly all night and all the forenoon. Jim sawed some wood &amp; got up 8 barrels apples for
Kyle whilst I was gone to West Walkers on Prince to buy a horse. I brought them &amp; led them
home, had a hard ride. Rained hard whilst I was at Walkers. Cloud &amp; Cold.
Thursday 8
[Temp. 38, 57, 50]
Dean got off at 2 with a splendid load. Var. cloudy nearly all day. Moderated, Jim undertook to
haul wood with new house but disaster slopping &amp; the wagon broke down. Tom got into the
stable &amp; made Charley kick everything to pieces. It took me all afternoon to mend it. [?]
mended wagon. They began picking Payons Red.
Friday 9
Var. Splendid day for work. Jim, Ed, Jul &amp; Ms. K picked Payons red apples all day. Put them in
the barn. I fixed the Bin, made legs to a ladder I made yesterday. Dean got back at 4 P.M. Did
a poor business for standing in market. Goes again, tonight. Clear.
[Page 95]
[note written above the date]
Thunder tonight.
Saturday, October 10, 1863
[Temp. 36, 46, 38]
Buss left me, came with Conklin. Took [written above] tea at his brothers. Very foggy this
morning, raw. I went to town in the Buss, took fruit to the society, went to Del's, found Harry
very sick witth Scarlett Fever, settled work. Cattie who checked me out of about &amp; Dean got
home seven. Pickers today. Julia &amp; Ms. K went to town in Buggy to see Harry who is very sick
last night. Clear &amp; cold.
Sunday 11
[Temp. 42, 58, 42]
Ms. K &amp; Jude came home fr town, where he went. Clear all day. Froze hard. Ice in tub. Ed got
up and assorted 8 Brls Belleflowers for Peterson. Worked more or less as much a[s] my Boil
would allow. Harrison &amp; family brought on their little Kamp in their Coffis[?]. Jenny Randolph.

�Monday 12
My Boil disables me the sle[e]pless nights interms. Var. very white frost no ice. Many
neighbors came to see little Harry buried. Young Ducket dug the grave. Six pickers today. Ed
sorted most of the load. Jim &amp; Lou got 10 doz oats. Pele Jones &amp; wife came Shadoan &amp; Sallie.
D walked home. Raining Harrison took Colman to Rose Mill.
[Page 96]
A Basket of Napoleons
Tuesday, October 13, 1863
[Temp. 52, 60, 54]
I make a new Picker of Ash &amp; fixed Rained a little in the night &amp; drizzled this morning. Ed &amp; I
went down &amp; voled. Ed &amp; Jim picked Splendid Belleflowers &amp; Ed got up the load he worked
wist on stopping until dark. I was notable. Got about much b Boil busted. Is better. Clear.
Wednesday 14
[Temp. 50, 72, 46]Kyle came to seee about apples. Man got 15 bushels. Var. Splendid day.
Dean went to town with Charley again. Ed picked &amp; assorted &amp; hauled up apples all day. Julia
tured out &amp; pushed up The Kers of which their were four. I was all moving mending Wagon
Box. Clear.
Thursday 15
[Temp. 57, 72, 66]
Var. Very splendid warm. Six pickers today. Jude worked hard &amp; superintended. I was busy &amp;
suffering all day. Put white Peppers &amp; Pennocks in the Barn. Bob Kyle styler. Bob got 6
Barrels at 150. Ed got up the whole load. Metz got 15 bushels &amp; 2 [?]
[Page 97]
[Note written above the date]
Friday, October 16, 1863
[Temp. 57, 72, 60]
John came to engage Cider Apples. Va.r Slight rain jsut at breakfast time. Stopped work for a
short time. Ed got up the load. 2 Drawers Magnificient Shys onto two pickers. I suffered
awfully. They picked Smiths. Cider in the Barn. Dean got back at dusk. Clear.
Saturday 17
[Temp. 53, 73, 70]
Kate came home tonight. Splendid day. Seven Pickers today. Ed &amp; Jul worked hard all day &amp;
made the others work. Lou &amp; Jim took the loads Cider Apples to Dairs for John. I was laid up
but had to go out &amp; attend Drs. Chapman &amp; Kline to dig shubbery for Camp Dennis. Clear.

�Sunday 18
[Temp. 59, 73, 40]
Two men enagaed 36 brush Cider Apples. Var. Rained in the night. Splendid day. Ed &amp; Jim
loaded up &amp; Ed &amp; Lou started to market about 1/2 past 12. I walked down to cornfield to get
corn for the Pigs. Jim took Ms. K home in the cart. Mr. &amp; Mrs. Conklin called. Clouds.
Turned quite cold.
[Page 98]
[note written above the date]
Lou went with Ed.
Monday, October 19, 1863
[Temp. 36, 60, 45]
Ed &amp; Jim loaded up 6 Barrels. Var. very fine day nearly [?] 4 Pickers Kyle &amp; Sturgis. I was
busy all day. My Boil much better. I mended hand Cart &amp; bushed the cart wheel. Jul worked
with the Pickers. Ed went to market yesterday &amp; got back about 4 today. Clear.
Tuesday 20
[Temp. 44, 70, 61]
Put Rome beauties in the Barn. Var. Indian summer weather. I was on foot all day. Fixed a
fastening to the Barn doors. 5 Pickers today. Ed got up the load alone [?] up Sorhum. Jim
bladed Sugar Cane, Jul bossed the girls &amp; worked. Drizzling.
Wednesday 21
[Temp. 40, 58, 47]
Dean just got home 8 P.M. Dull sale. Var. Splendid day for work. One Picker. Ed got up 7
Barrels alone, Jul picked, Prince hauled up six loads in the Cart. Men got 30 bushels cider
apples at 20 cents. I mended Basket, picked a barrel. Jul phockens cleaned out the apple house.
Clear.
[Page 99]
[note written above the date]
Lou took apples to Davis (Indian Summer) for cider.
Thursday, October 22, 1863
Dean got back at 7:15. Var. very cool almost frost. Ed assorted the load seven. We got up the
Smiths Cider &amp; I picked nearly a barrel of Splendid Pecks Pleasants. Geo Young worked 3
hours cutting Sorghum &amp; Foddes he got Cider apples &amp; some for Apple Butter.

�Friday 23
[Temp. 43, 40, 34]
Jim hauled three loads of wood. Var. rained all night, it prevented Deans going to market.
Drizzled nearly all day. Grew colder. Very raw. I got up a band Tellighockens[?]. Two men
got 12 bushels cider apples at 25 pr bushel. Cider tonight than it has been yet at look squally.
Cloudy.
Saturday 24
[Temp. 28, 44, 32]
Baldwin got 10 bushels apples. Var. cold &amp; cloudy all day. Froze hard last night. Appls
suffered some but a adieu to them tonight. Ed Jon Lou &amp; Elmore got up Jannets into apple
house. I picked all the Pears. Took up flower &amp; put in the Pit. Put on sash, mended step,ladder
&amp; did a hundred other things. Dean made out poor. Cloudy. Freezing.
[Page 100]
Sunday, October 25, 1863
[Temp. 28, 50, 40]
Var. very cool. Hard forst. We loafed today. I picked Pecks. Pleasant in OPO. Gibbons all
came out and spent the day which broke into our arrangment. I took up five Roses for Kate. Ms.
C &amp; Ms Sampson this evening. Clear.
Monday 26
[Temp. 33, 30, 43]
Kate left for town on her wayhorse. Var. Cloudy most of the day. Mackerel by two pickers
today. They got in three loads of Jannets. I cleared out the wheat bin &amp; pulled at fruit, Ed &amp; I
got up the load. I huusked Bushel of Corn. Mr Baker got got 15 B. cider apples &amp; 13 B. good
ones. Clouds.
Tuesday 27
[see symbol]
[Temp. 34, 52, 39]
Lou went with Dean at 12, dear little fellow. Clear, Splendid day. White frost. Two pickers
today. They finished the Jannets &amp; got them in the barn all but the small ones. I picked Shys
Romebeanbys &amp; Smiths Cider Red Russets very fine. Husked corn fixed Bin. Clear. (Perhaps I
shall [?] Lou again)
[Page 101]
Wednesday, October 28, 1863
[Temp. 27, 54, 37]

�I walked to Lane's and got him to agree to make on molasses. Var. Hazy most of the day, very
hard freeze. Hurt the apples considerably. Two pickers began getting in Romantis. Ed loaded &amp;
hauled 50 bushels Jannets to Davis for Johns Cider. I mended BM fence and worked hard all
day, husked corn &amp;c. Clear.
Thursday 29
[Temp. 38, 68, 58]
Sent Sugar Cane to Lanes. A man got 21 bushels apples $14.50. Rained a little tihs morning but
soon cleared up &amp; became a splendid day. Ms Blanchard borrowed the Buggy for the day. Ed
got up six barrels &amp; started for twon at 2 P.M. D Durham called to see about his bees. Clear &amp;
warm.
Friday 30
[Temp. 52, 58, 54]
Burried Cabbage yesterday. Fixed Bell. Began raining at 4 A.M. &amp; continued nearly all day &amp;
still raining. Ed had an awful time with his load. Got soaking wet. Kate has been dangerously
sick. I wrote to Hammond today. Was not told much. Jim cleared out mad &amp; I am afraid he is
gone for good. Raining. [Page 102]
[note written above the date]
Jim went to Lanes for Sorghum. 59 all[?].
Saturday, October 31, 1863
[Temp. 52, 48, 34]
Jul left for town with Conklin. Cloudy &amp; misty all day turning cold very rappidly. I have laid up
all day with Boil No 2 suffering excruciating pain. Ed got up apples towards the load. I
managed to get dinner under difficulms. Cloudy.
Sunday, November 1, 1863
Moderated. Old Clark came to see about apples. Var. Very fine day. I get the meals today
suffering intensely while so engaged. I made splendid Soup Bread Pudding &amp; Tulpyhocker
apple sauce, that is about all that was done except feeding. I brought up corn &amp; dried it in the
oven. Clear.
Monday 2
[Temp. 44, 71, 69]
Var. Moderated considerably except a hard rain before morning. Ed &amp; Elmore picked up the cart
loads. Newtowns besides small ones. I got the meals, put 2 iron hoofs on contraband &amp; put in
time, husked corn, raked 4 cartloads of leaves for the pigpen &amp; leathered Rub blocks. Clear.
[Page 103]

�Tuesday, November 3, 1863
[Temp. 48, 56, 42]
Dean took 7 bls to town. Var. Rained a little most of the night. Cleared off &amp; turned out fine.
Ed picked up Newtowns all day. Made up six barrels for the load. I some left in the cart. I did
house work, churned, mended well &amp; milk bucket with all very lame. Clear &amp; cool.
Wednesday 4
[Temp. 38, 65, 60]
Rumaway not got back yet. Var. Moderated again. Splendid day. Four pickers today &amp; the last
I suppose, all the Romanites &amp; considerable gleaning done. Ed made up seven Bls for Dean. I
did house work again suffering as usual. Cleaned up the barn chaos. Clear &amp; mild.
Thursday 5
[see symbol]
[Temp. 38, 65, 48]
Jul fooled us again. Var. Looked very much like rain but cleared up fine. Jim started off &amp; got
as far as Carmel. Came back at dark. Ed &amp; I started to husking corn but more stopped by
Dunham calling for his Trees after which Ed finished the piece &amp; got nearly 10 bushels. Dean
got home late &amp; made [?]. Clear &amp; Cool.
[Page 104]
Friday, November 6, 1863
[Temp. 42, 55, 40]
Fine clear day. Turned cool towards night. Ed &amp; Jim went up &amp; husked the corn at Carters. 6
Bushels hauled down the Fodder &amp; stacked near the Barn gate. I was very sick all night with
violent chill &amp; dreadful suffering headache all day. Clear.
Saturday 7
[Temp. 41, 71, 51]
Jul got home with Conklin. Splendid clear day. Ed fixed a barrel for Smith &amp; some for Market
than sorted all the apples under the Hickory Tree. A good job. I did house work. Dug seedling
Potoatoes, Lined Cider &amp; raked &amp; ha[u]led leaves to Pig Pen. Clear.
Sunday 8
[Temp. 38, 48, 34]
I covered covered [repeated word] my Potatoes. Var. Cloudy nearly all day gradually becoming
Cold. The prospect for a haed frost is very fair which is bad as there are many apples out yet.
John &amp; a Dutchman caled &amp; walked over the orchard. I did a little Tarring as it looked like rain
but it cleared off.

�[Page 105]
Monday, November 9, 1863
[Temp. 28]
Fine but very cool. Ed finished getting up his seven barrel. Jim &amp; I got up the Belomnts. Ed &amp;
I left for town at 12 M. &amp; like to have frozen going Jim took wheat to mill but did not get it
ground.
Tuesday 10
[Temp. 28]
Clear &amp; cold. Kate did not get to Dels until dinner time. I looked through the market stand at
Dels nearly all day. Jim did nothing but load up cider apples. Clear &amp; cold.
Wednesday 11
[Temp. 32]
Clear &amp; Cold. No one kept the thermometer. Ed &amp; Jim got up Ms Gibsons apples 4 Bls &amp; 2 bls
for Del. Lou &amp; Charlie got to Dels about 9 o clock. Kate &amp; I called to see Louisa Masch. Poor
thing. I fear she may be on her last bed. Jim went to mill again for nothing. Clear.
[Page 106]
Thursday, November 12, 1863
[Temp. 42, 64, 54]
McGuire engaged 150 trees. Clear, magnificent day the finest I ever remember in November.
Julia being quite sick I had to do housework. Could not do much out. Ed &amp; Jim went to town
with Gibsons &amp; Dels apples. I got the well bucket up &amp; mended it. Kept busy all day. Clear.
Friday 13
[Temp. 48, 61, 62]
Ed left at noon. Jul &amp; Pearl rode out in the Buggy. Var. Looked very much like rain. Very
muld Indian Summer. Ed &amp; Jim got up six barrels &amp; three baskets. Cow got in the Barn &amp;
destroyed the apple awfully. I measured the Brandy &amp; put it in a smaller cask 30 Gallons. I was
busy all day. Lilla walker over.
Saturday 14
[see symbol]
[Temp. 49, 59, 44]
Polly got out &amp; made her escape. Began raining about 6 All &amp; rained gently all the forenoon.
Jim sawed wood &amp; husked some Corn. Ed Hall helped him. I husked Big Corn &amp; fixed the Big
[?] so as to tar it. Ed got home at dark. Rained hard in town. Very cloudy, turned cool.

�[Page 107]
[Temp. 39, 39, 38]
Jim took Lilla in the cart. Misted &amp; drizzled all day. I staid in the house all day excepting a
couple of races after the cow who got out yesterday &amp; staid out all night. Dean called &amp; got his
whip &amp; took the hooks off of the lines. Ed quite sick all day. Drizzling.
Monday 16
[Temp. 38, 43, 40]
Jim too kPrince down to the shed. Drizzled all night &amp; all day. One of the most diagreeable
days immaginable. Jim sawed some wood &amp; went hunting. I read nearly all day not daring to go
out. Ed still quite unwell. Mustering still.
Tuesday 17
[Temp. 40, 48, 44]
Ms C &amp; Jul rode buggy to depot. Ms C came home with Jul. Rained all night &amp; misted half the
day. Sun shone a few minutes but clouded over again. I coughed all night quite sick all day.
Jim picked up a few Newtons in the Pear O. He took a load of Cider apples to Davis (Conklin
took tea with Jul). Cloudy.
[Page 108]
Wednesday, November 18, 1863
[Temp. 40, 50, 53]
Var. Considerable sunshine today turning warm apif[?] it would rain again. Jim hauled three
loads of wood. Found some stolen. Ed sorted apples in the Barn. A man got 100 appletrees, 2
Peas &amp; 1 Doz Strawberry hearts. Clear.
Thursday 19
[Temp. 48, 67, 59]
Ed started at 12. Jim hauled wood all day. Ed got in his load 7 Bls. I fizxed two baskets of fine
Clear Pears. Jim took up apples for cider &amp; brought home a barrel of Cider. John came after his
brandy 30 Galls.
Friday 20
[Temp. 38, 38, 54]
Jim worked hard all day. Letter from Kate. Began drizzling at 12 last night &amp; continued all day
almost without intermission. Jim stacked the wood in the woodhouse &amp; hauled one load I did
nothing but read, being too unwell to go out. Ed got home at dusk being too unwell to go out.
Cloudy.

�[Page 109]
Saturday, November 21, 1863
[Temp. 38, 43, 35]
Mistd all the forenoon very disagreeable raw. Ed sorted apples at the Barn. Jim &amp; Bob
Dickinson husked 10 bushels of Corn out of the woods piece. I did nothing but read. Jul went to
the store with Tom.
Sunday 22
[Temp. 29, 40, 33]
Jul got three teeht plugged. Conklins called. Var. cold all day. Froze the ground pretty hard.
Jim took a vomiting spell which prostrated him the whole day. Ed had to do all his work. Jul &amp;
Pearl went to Sallie's &amp; I did wk the house work. Clear &amp; frosty. Jim took wagon to
Willowville. Share.
Monday 23
[Temp. 28, 50, 44, 44]
Sturgiss &amp; Dickinson picked up apples on share. Var. Cold all the forenoon. Moderated after
dinner. Ed got in four Barrels of apples &amp; a barrel of Cider for Harrison &amp; left about 11 oclock.
Jul raked up Leaves. i carried away in Basket &amp; raked some, fixed myself. Drizzling.
[Page 110]
[note written above the date]
Ed got home at 2 P.M.
Tuesday, November 24, 1863
[Temp. 53, 63, 38]
Jul &amp; I went to Sallies after dinner. Var. Misty again before noon. Rained pretty hard in the
night. Jim sawed wood &amp; ransacked the country for Lard &amp; Eggs. Got no Eggs. Cowhouse roof
felt in. Jim went after the cart &amp; wheels &amp; old rigging. Brought home 30 Galls Brandy.
Pumpkin pies. Night wind.
Wednesday 25
[Temp. 34, 40, 38]
Pearl went home in the Buss. Var cloudy near all day. Very raw &amp; chilly. Jim husked corn near
the wood &amp; my seedling. McGuire came &amp; got 15 hoes at $5. Silence reigned supreme. I read
some Hamburg vine &amp; covered it. Cloudy.
Thursday 26
[Temp. 28, 50, 34]

�Skles did clear day. We all took at Conklins. Thanksgiving. Ed was unwell, &amp; I was a little
feverish but it wore ooff. Jim &amp; I shelled corn. My seedling &amp; he went to mill but did not get it
ground. Brought home flour &amp; Chopfeed. Clear.
[Page 111]
[note written above the date]
Jim &amp;I caught a rabbit.
Friday, November 27, 1863
[Temp. 28, 60, 54]
Ed would go although all rain signs mecauled. Var. Moderated during the day. Ed fixed his
load for Tom. I sorted out nearly three baskets of poor Pears the last. I felt bad before dinnerbut
husked Corn afternoon. Got very cold feet. I expect to cough for it. Cloudy &amp; windy.
Saturday 28
[Temp. 50, 48, 56]Sold the last Pears today. Rained hard nearly all night &amp; rained &amp; misted
most of the day. Ed had another nice time in the rain but did first rate. Jim sawed some wood
but loafed mostly. I fitted a handle to the Splitting Axe. Cold &amp; Cloudy.
Sunday 29
[Temp. 22, 24, 18]
Cloudy &amp; Bitter cold all day so cold that we could not be out. I went to Barn &amp; measured the
rest of the corn which was in the waon &amp; put it in the crib. ul went over to Conklins a little
while. I fear for the apples in barn. Cloudy.
[Page 112]
Monday, November 30, 1863
[Temp. 10, 32, 20]
Very cold all day. Jim went to the mill &amp; got the meal. After dinner I killed the Pig &amp; had the
devils own time cleaning it. I ws out most of the day. Ed had fever. Apples all froze hard in the
Barn &amp; applehouse. Clear.
Tuesday, December 1
[see symbol]
[Temp. 26, 46, 40]
Ed had fever agian after noon. Var. Fine day although cold it did not appear so. I cut up the
Pig, Scalded &amp; Washed the Barrel &amp; salled it down. Made iron hoop &amp; put it in the wine barrel,
washed it out &amp; began racking cider. Sifted Meal &amp;c. Clear. Moderated Wind S. Jul made
Lard.
Wednesday 2

�[Temp. 37, 50, 34]
Ed had fever again. Var. Clear mosto f the day. Moderated fixing for rain. I finished racking
the Barrel of Cider. It is splendid. I then husked Corn. Jim hauled wood &amp; 14 doz Blades of
Sorghum from Ducket. He is sick tonight. Has a chill. Clear.
[Page 113]
[Temp. 36, 52, 44]
Ed got up 4 Bls apples &amp; Barrel Cider. Var. Moderated very much. The thaw makes the ground
very cold. I did various jobs about. Mended big gate, tamed leaks in roof, husked some corn but
had backache so bad I had to quit.
Friday 4
[Temp. 48, 56, 46]
Sallie sick, sent for Jul to come over. Var. Mackarel sky turning warmer. Jim &amp; Bob D husked
in Fodder all day. I cleaned up Barn floor, put Romanites in the Barn. I then racked Cider. Ed
got home at 10 oclock having sold out last night. Ms Conklin called. Ed sick tonight. Clouds.
Saturday 5
[Temp. 38, 52, 38]
Jul has not returned. Ed sorted apples all day. Var. Very cloudy at sunrise. Splendid day. Jim
&amp; Bob haule up one load of Fodder &amp; a small load of Corn. I did housework. Papered the
kitchen cieling where it was broken off &amp; scrubb the Kitchen. It took me three hours. Made a
bread pudding &amp; applesauce.
[Page 114]
Sunday, December 6, 1863
[Temp. 26, 40, 30]
Var. Rather pleasant. I did housework as Julia did not get home after dinner. Ed started over
those afoot bringing over the Buggy. He met Miss Witham. I went back with her &amp; found Sallie
dieing. She left about half past six conscious to the last. Clear. Jim took Cider apples.
Monday 7
Ms Conklin took tea with us &amp; spent the evening. Var. Cold but file as ant[?] I slept with
Shadoan on the manow[?] Lounge &amp; was cold all night. Had a troubling. I brot over the grave
digger &amp; set them to work. Had to get dinner for him and his son. They took Sallie over about 3
P.M. &amp; burried her. Del, Harrison &amp; Pet just got here in time. Clear.
Tuesday 8
[see symbol]
[Temp. 36, 50, 42]

�Harrison, Del &amp; Pet left after brekafast. Var. Cloudy nearly all day. Looks lke rain. Jim fooled
his time away. Husked about three bushels of corn. Ed got off at about 11 AMsure to be caught
in the rain. I husked some corn, made scraper, mended Barn ladder &amp; sundry other [?]. Cloudy.
[Page 115]
[note written above the date]
Jule &amp; I went over to Conklins. Ms Thompson called.
Wednesday, December 9, 1863
[see symbol]
[Temp. 38, 43, 40]
Ed got home to supper. Cloudy all day. Looked very much like rain. Jim did very little. Cows
got in twice. I felt bad &amp; did very little. Sold 10 trees to a Dutchman. Made Loila a stool. She
rode on Charley over to Williamsville &amp; back. Cloudy.
Thursday 10
[Temp. 38, 40, 38]
I went to Davis after the Cider. Ms Ducket called. Cloudy dark &amp; raw all day. E Wind. Jim
pretended to husk corn. Broke the wagon tongue &amp; drove out cowws. I overhauled Georges act.
Found it overrun mine over $20. I drove cows &amp; built up fence. Pulled up Beets &amp; crowed
them. Ed worked with apples.
Friday 11
[Temp. 38, 53, 53]
Rained before day &amp; has misted &amp; rained all day. Jim sawed wood &amp; greased Harness. I cut
fodder tops &amp; made cowfeed she euts[?] He took ole[?]. Ed had dreadful backache. Jim sorted
some apples. I papered back of the stove &amp;c. Dark &amp; drizzle.
[Page 116]
Saturday, December 12, 1863
[Temp. 48, 56, 54]
Drizzled &amp; rained all day &amp; is at it yet. Jim sorted apples in the Barn &amp; sawed wood. I linkened
all day at one thing or another. Tried to make the Pump work better. Jul worked hard. Ed quite
unwell. Raining.
Sunday 13
[Temp. 52, 56, 53]
I had another cow drive &amp; fence fixing. Rained all night &amp; drizzled most of the day, a most
gloomy prospect. Nothing but mud &amp; &amp; [ampersand repeated] mise [mice?] for some time. I

�was out a while looking for Peas buds but found them very scarce. This is bad for puel[?] buds.
So much warm weather. Raining.
Monday 14
[Temp. 42, 34, 29]
Ed &amp; Jul rode to Lanes store. Cloudy all day. Burned cold &amp; snowed a little. I gave Jim a
blowing lip &amp; he did much better today. He sawed wood &amp; I was going to husk Corn but it
turned too cold. I arranged George's account &amp; read. Cloudy cold &amp; wind.
[Page 117]
[note written above the date]
Gave Dned[?] apples Sanblory Fair yesterday. Jim pulled some corn in the trusk. Cloudy &amp;
cold all day. Very gloomy day. ED loaded up six barrels &amp; left at 11 oclock. I rakced the cider
which was in the molasses barrel inot the clear one &amp; began boliing down the rest. I made
Bouce &amp; put on the meat. Cloudy.
Wednesday 16
[Temp. 27, 31, 33]
I racked Cider &amp; made Apple Butter &amp; &amp;c. Cloudy in the forenoon. Snowed afternoon. Slicted
after supper &amp; now Raining hard with Thunder very unusual. Jim pulled two cartloads of Corn
&amp; sawed wood. Jul taken with verh[?]. Got vomiting which continued all day. Ed came home
&amp; had a vomiting spell. Rain &amp; Thunder.
Thursday 17
[Temp. 50, 28, 30]
Ed wrote to Kate. I put in a line. Rained &amp; Thundered hard most of the night. Drizzled most of
the day. Jim husked corn in the Barn. I tinkered with the Pump &amp; made it worse. Did not find
the leak. I cleaned up the Barn &amp; cut fodder. Ed just taken with Hemmorhage. Cloudy &amp;
windy.
[Page 118]
Friday, December 18, 1863
[Temp. 24, 26, 20]
Var. Snowed a little this morning &amp; again tonight. Jim Leila &amp; I hauled two bushels of Corn.
He plled two loads of Corn &amp; hauled up. I churned &amp; made Cider molasses. Jul called on Mrs.
Sturgis who is sick. Snowing.
Saturday 19
[Temp. 12, 24, 16]

�Ed very unwell today. Cloudy, a few minutes sunshine. Very cold all day. Jim sawed wood, he
sawed some for Conklins. I went to Moores Mill. Got 2 Bushels. Corn ground &amp; a bag of
Shorts. Jul went as far as Gests got her Bonnet fixed. I paid Taxes &amp; bot a Tureky. Cloudy &amp;
bitter cold.
Sunday 20
[Temp. 10, 25, 22]
Var. Cloud &amp; very cold all day. Nothing but reading &amp; warming done today. Jim cut up some
[?]. I felt like kicking him out. Jul &amp; I went over to Conklins and spent the evening. Cloudy.
Too cold to snow.
[Page 119]
Monday, December 21, 1863
[Temp. 24, 40, 36]
Ed quite unwell, no fever but bad cough. Var. Considerable sunshine. Moderated. Jim finished
getting in the Corn. I began quitting away the debris of the Cowhouse, which had fallen down
some time ago. Jim went to Carmel to get shoes but did not succeed. Shadoan called twice.
Thin clouds.
Tuesday 22
[Temp. 30, 31, 30]
Two stray gees came yesterday. Cloudy &amp; towering all day. Looks very much like snow. Jim
&amp; Frank Ducket got in the rest of the Fodder. He cut wood for Conklins. Ed went to town with
Conklins. I had the blues for two or three days.
Wednesday 23
[Temp. 28, 28, 20]
Cloudy all day &amp; very cold &amp; going to be colder tnoight. Jim spent the morning at the
Shoemakers. Sawed some wood. I was very much under the weather. Severe pain in the Heart.
Ed got home late with Conklins. &amp; very unwell. Clear &amp; cold.
[Page 120]
Thursday, December 24, 1863
[Temp. 14, 34, 24]
Del got my note of alarm and came in the Buss. Clear &amp; bitter cold all day. My dear boy was
taken with dreadful hemorrhage of the Lungs at 3 oclock A.M., &amp; after nearly suffocating, lulled
off until 11 AM, when he had a severe attack &amp; succumbed. Adieu, dear son. Clear.
Friday 25
[Temp. 26, 40, 32]

�Harrison came in Bugg &amp; took Del home. Var. This is the gloomiest day of my life, my only son
Edward was buried! I never knew how much I loved him!
Satuday 26
[see symbol]
[Temp. 36, 46, 42]
I took Ms. K &amp; D Shadoan home. Got very damp. Nothing worth recording. All looks blank --letter from Slittman, violent pain in my heart still. Drizzling.
[Page 121]
[Temp. 42, 48, 49]
Rained all night and all day &amp; still at it. Jul &amp; I took dinner at Conklins at suppertime. I cut
cowfeed. Raining.
Monday 28
[Temp. 37, 34, 36]
Cloudy all day. Spit shower[?] &amp; sleet a little. Jim sawed wood. I was busy fixing alarm clock
&amp;c. Ms Dickinson &amp; Jul washed. We had options which had been intended for Christmastime.
Cloudy &amp; windy.
Tuesday 29
[Temp. 32, 40]
I went to Dels &amp; took Sophy to Baza. Var. Jim &amp; I loaded up two barrels of Cider &amp; took it to
town &amp; sold it to Paul for $16. We took Tom &amp; Charley, intending to sell Lehang[?]. Put up at
woods where Jim slept. Cloudy.
[Page 122]
Wednesday, December 30, 1863
Sent Jim home with Tom &amp; wagon. Drizzled all day. I came near suffocating at the Bazarr last
night &amp; riding in the rain twice to Nora Depot &amp; Cameys Stable caused Hemorrhage of the
throat &amp; Cold, could not sell him.
Thursday 31
[Temp. 50]
Drizzled all day &amp; what I wrote yesterday occured today. Snowed by bedtime &amp; great change.
Julia came in the late train. Found her at Dels. Snowing. One of us gone, Poor Ed! Will we be
here next year? Perhaps this is the last diary I shall complete. [remaining memoranda pages left
blank]

�[Cash Account, January]
[Cash Account, February]
[Cash Account, March]
[Cash Account, April]
[Cash Account, May]
[Cash Account, June]
[Cash Account, July]
[Cash Account, August]
[Cash Account, September]
[Cash Account, October]
[November &amp; December cash accounts left blank]
[Memoranda Page 1]
[Memoranda Page 2]
[Memoranda Page 3]
[Inside Back Cover]
[Back Cover]

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                    <text>ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW
ANN PETROVIC, Infield Shortstop
Women in Baseball
Born: November 17, 1928 Aurora, Indiana
Resides: Tucson, Arizona
Interviewed by: James Smither, PhD, GVSU Veterans History Project, August 7, 2010,
Detroit, MI at the All American Girls Professional Baseball League reunion.
Transcribed by: Joan Raymer, October 4, 2010
Interviewer: “Now Ann, can you start by giving us a little bit of background on
yourself?”
I was born and raised in Aurora, Indiana. There were about five thousand people and I
was the youngest of nine children. I had five brothers, and now you know where I got
started in baseball, and three sisters. That’s how I got started in baseball.
Interviewer: “In what year were you born?”
I was born on November 17, 1928.
Interviewer: “What did your family do for a living?”
My father worked at a chair factory, he was a bandsawer and he sawed legs and arms and
stuff for chairs and that’s what we did for a living.
Interviewer: “So, did he keep that job through the depression?”
He did. He was about fourteen years old when he started and he worked until he was
about seventy-eight years old.
Interviewer: “What kind of school did you go to?” 1:03
Well, I went to school; I went like anyone else you now, elementary and junior high, then
high school.
Interviewer: “When did you start playing sports?”

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�I had five brothers of course and when I was real little we lived on a farm and I kind of
hung around with my brothers a lot and whenever they would go play ball-- of course
they were on any team—if anyone would give them a uniform they would play. They
were on church league, industrial leagues or anything. As far as I can remember, I used
to tag them around to the ball parks and everything and every time they would, I grew up
eventually, put me into the field and let me play with them and as soon as one of them
would go out and—second base, they would go out and take batting practice, I would
take their position. 2:04 I kept going with them every year and playing at home with
them and in the winter time, of course, the snow was up over the house, so we would
move furniture and then we would play ball in the house from the living room to the
dining room. I can remember one brother, he was fantastic and the Cincinnati Reds
wanted him, but he got injured in World War II and he’s the one that taught me
everything. He played shortstop and of course that’s what I played. We played all winter
because we just played in the house and that’s all we had in those days. If you had a mitt
and you had a ball, you went out and played ball, but I had to play with the boys because
the girls couldn’t catch me you know. They would say, “don’t play with “Shorty Meyer”
she’s nothing but a tomboy”. In those days no one would play with me and of course I
couldn’t play with the girls anyway. My name was not good and it wasn’t exactly right
for a girl to go out and play ball in those days, so that’s how I got started, with my
brother. 3:03
Interviewer: “When you were in junior high and high school did you have any
chance to play organized sports?”

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�Yes, I was with sports all through and in senior high they even had a parade and they
picked out the best athletes, a girl and a boy, and I was the best of the girls and they had a
big parade and this was a town of five thousand people and everyone knew what you
were doing almost—they knew when I was going to All American to try out and
everything, so they had a parade for us and I was the athlete of the whole school.
Interviewer: “How old were you when you tried out for the All American?”
Ok, when I tried out for the All American I was only fifteen years old. The way I got into
the All American is my father read in the Cincinnati Inquirer that Betsy Jochum was
going to go and play in the Girls All American Baseball and all these fifteen years I had
been playing with my brothers and everything and I said, “there must be a team that I can
get on somewhere in this place”, and he said, “well, I’ll go up and talk to her parents and
see where she went”. I said, “ok”, so he went up and talked to Betsy Jochum and in those
days it wasn’t easy to go from one place to another hardly. 4:20 Cincinnati was about
thirty-five miles from us, we lived in Aurora, Indiana right on the Ohio River, so he went
up there, my father did, and he got the address of the people, so they said, “you bring her
up, we’re going to try out at Peru and La Salle, Illinois”. They had six ball parks I think
and they said to go up there and try out, so I went up there after we got the address and
they said to come on up, so I went up there and the first day I was so nervous I couldn’t
even hardly catch the ball. All these girls and all this excitement and everything, so my
father said, “we’re going home tomorrow”, and I said, “oh no, I gotta meet all those
people that thought I was going to make it and everything?” He said, “yup, the way you
played today you won’t even sigh a contract or anything”, so I said, “ok, give me one
more day”, so I went the next day and I said, “over on first base is my brother Wally,

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�second base is my brother----“, and I went on and I was playing with my brothers all this
time, so I didn’t even look at the girls and man, when that ball was hit to me I threw it
over to first and went all around there, so that night I signed the contract. 5:32 I sort of
relaxed and played the way I was supposed to play, so anyway, that’s how I made it.
Interviewer: “And your father thought that was a good idea?”
Yes, he sure did and he was there after I signed the contract. I have a picture of my father
standing there beside me and then he asked if I was going to be in good hands and the
manager said, “yes, she’ll be in good hand and we’ll take care of her”. I had never been
away from home for fifteen years and my mother cried when I left, but anyway a couple
of nice All Americans took me in, Faye Dancer and Pepper Beare, I was on their team
and I went right to Minneapolis. Anyway, they took me in. The chaperones; they help
you if you’re homesick or anything like that, that’s their job. 6:20 I got over it after a
while and I spent a whole year with the All American.
Interviewer: “Now, did you join them after their spring training or were you part
of that?”
After spring training, and then they put you on a team, after I tried out and everything.
Interviewer: “You tried out, but did you go to a spring training with the whole
league there or did you just go to join a team?”
Well, the whole league was there.
Interviewer: “I think in 1944—did they use Wrigley Field that year?”
Yes
Interviewer: “Ok”

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�After—after we played ball, I went back to school, in the wintertime. We weren’t in the
playoffs or anything. That was in September.
Interviewer: “I was just trying to follow the sequence of events. So did you go to
Chicago to try out or did you first go someplace else?” 7:15
After I got through they told me, at the end of the season or almost to the end, they asked
me to go Chicago with the National League because they need players over there, so then
I went to Chicago and it was the same year, at the end of the year almost, in September,
and they told me to go over there and see them. I went over there and tried out over there
and I made it, but it was just about at the end of the year.
Interviewer: “I was still talking about the beginning of the season.”
The beginning of the season when I went to Peru and La Salle, Illinois—then what they
do after that is put you on a team and that’s when they sent me to Minneapolis. 7:59
Interviewer: “Ok, all the way to Minneapolis.”
After Minneapolis they sent me to Kenosha. I was traded for Liz Mahon, so I went to
Kenosha and played. One or the other, but Minneapolis only lasted one year.
Interviewer: “When you joined the league, did they give you a list of all the rules
and regulations and how you were supposed to behave and the way you were
supposed to dress?”
Oh yes, you had to be in at ten o’clock and when you’re in your own home town, of
course, you’re always with a family and there’s always two of you. They never go in
with one person, so they did put me with a roommate and get me a place to stay in the
town where we stayed, like in Minneapolis or Kenosha. 8:50
Interviewer: “Did they have a dress code that you had to follow?”

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�Oh yes and you’ve heard this a hundred times, you had to wear a skirt. You could wear
shorts inside when nobody saw you, but you had to wear that skirt and dress up when you
would go outside. Both of us never smoked, but you couldn’t smoke or anything like that
and you had to dress up when you went out into public, and they had the charm school.
When they had the charm school they looked at me and they picked me out of that whole
bunch and used me as an example. I just came up and I wasn’t the type to--I was a
tomboy anyway--dress up anyway, and they would say “Ann you come up here, we’re
going to use you”, so they fixed my hair and fixed me all up and I was a little
embarrassed. I was only fifteen you know, and never been—anyway, they used me as an
example when they had the charm school. 9:42 They would teach you how to walk and
how to sit and when you go to someone’s home they wanted you to be ladies--to be ladies
and play like men, that’s what they wanted me to do, so that’s what I did.
Interviewer: ‘So, you actually got the charm school experience, because a lot of the
players that joined later didn’t have that, but you were still early enough that they
were still doing it.”
It was a good thing and to this day I remember the things they told me and I never forgot
it. How to sit, how to do—and it’s good, some of the education I never had in my life
being on the farm you know.
Interviewer: “Now, were you a starting shortstop? Did you get to play regularly
with the team?”
No, when I started that was a problem, they had too--enough players in those leagues and
they told me to go out there to Chicago and play and get more experience and then you
can come back to the all American. Well, I got more experience and I liked it a lot and I

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�was playing all the time, so after that I said, “no, I don’t want to go back”. I was familiar
with the team and the league and all the people and Charlie Bidwell was good to me.
10:56 I played for the Bluebirds, Eddie Kolski was good to me and all of them, so I said,
“no, I’m going to stay up here”. They needed players in the All American—see, they
went from underhand and sidearm to overhand and a lot of girls came up to the National
League because they didn’t want to pitch overhand and we had a lot of girls up there. I
said, “hey this is great for me and I’m playing all the time, so I’m staying here”. I made a
good name for myself up there. 11:22
Interviewer: “Ok, you did get to play in some of the games with the All American?”
Oh yes, I was backing up Pepper Beare in shortstop when I was playing in Minneapolis
and when she got hurt I went in, yes I did.
Interviewer: “In Kenosha did you get to play?”
Yes, the same thing there in Kenosha. I didn’t go in all the time as a regular player, but I
used to go in when anybody would get hurt or when they were way ahead and they
wanted to see what I could do and things like that, but I did get to play quite often.
Interviewer: “Were you a good hitter?”
I always betted first or second, I was fast because I always ran from my dad all the time
because I got in trouble on the farm and I had a lot of speed. I slid a lot and I got a lot of
strawberries. Batting, my brothers and them, they never did give me much help because
when we took position I took the infield and they never let me bat. They would go in for
game practice and they never let me bat. I warmed up my brother when one pitched and I
caught a lot and did a lot of infield, but they never let me bat much, so I had to learn that

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�when I was on the All American. 12:33 That’s the position I was in. Defense, but not
offense, but they were working on it.
Interviewer: “When you were playing for Minneapolis, did you have some long
road trips?”
Did we have long road trips? Well, playing for Minneapolis, I can remember this one—
we were getting on this train, not the bus, the train, and it was a troop train, I’ll never
forget it. Fifteen girls got on that train with these servicemen and it was something else.
I was fifteen years old, so I just got in a corner and watched what was going on. The
guys were wanting you to write to them and asking when they go overseas and stuff like
that. They were giving out addresses and talking to you and stuff, but it was some
experience and I really enjoyed that. That’s the only thing I can remember that really
happened when we were traveling, but otherwise we went on the bus. 13:28
Interviewer: “Did it take a long time to get from Minneapolis to the other places?”
No, from this day I don’t remember, but all of them were pretty much close together the
year I went in 1944. We didn’t have to travel too much, but I can remember going on the
busses and stuff from one place to the other, so it was interesting anyway.
Interviewer: “Tell me a little bit about how the softball leagues in Chicago
worked.”
Oh, in Chicago? In Chicago you only played ball at night and I think you had eight to ten
teams in Chicago and I worked at the Edgewater Beach Hotel during the day. Now this is
exciting because I worked at the reservation office. Now, when the ball players came in
at the Edgewater Beach Hotel, we’re talking about the National League, they came in and
they only played in the daytime because there were no lights at Wrigley Field, so I would

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�meet them at the door because I knew they were coming in. 14:29 I met Mel Ott and
Harry “The Hat” Walker and all those guys you know, and I was at the door and I met
them and I told them who I was and that I was playing ball. They wanted to come out
and see me play ball because they had nothing to do at night and here I was working
during the day, so I set them up and they took a cab out to watch me play ball and the
first time they watched me they said, “hey come over here. The next time you come to
the hotel I want to show you how to bat”, so they got a bat out and they started showing
me how to stand and bat and they were trying to help me and everything, but it was
exciting and I met the whole team when they came in and had a lot of pictures taken and
autographs and I have several balls from them that are very valuable to me today. I got to
know them well and that was exciting. Whenever they would come into the hotel, and I
knew when they were coming because I was making their reservations, so it was great.
15:24
Interviewer: “So you had a day job, but then did they also pay you to play the ball
games at night?”
Oh yeah, we got paid just like we would in All American. The National League paid the
same and I got the same amount. They made sure that where you were working, that it
was a good place and they were the ones that helped you get the job. There were certain
jobs they didn’t want you to do because it was too hard on you and you couldn’t play
ball. Here I was just sitting at a desk and I didn’t have to use up much energy, so they
placed you where and in jobs so you could still play ball. You had the day free, but you
would go out and play at night, so it was no problem with me to do that.

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�Interviewer: “When you played for the All American and you had gone in at
fifteen, you weren’t done with high school yet.” 16:27
No, I played all through high school and I was in the National League, but I played in the
summer, then when we had playoffs that would run into September and school was still
going on, I went ahead and finished up the playoffs and then when I went back to school
they let me make that up. They were nice enough to say, “hey you’re two weeks late or
three weeks late”, and they helped me to make it up so I would catch up with the other
students in the high school. I did graduate from high school because of their help and
everything, so I went right through. I was the only one, oh there were two, of nine that
graduated in my family and I was one of them.
Interviewer: “When you were playing in Chicago, where did you live?”
I lived—when I worked for Edgewater Beach they had a an apartment for employees and
I lived there and before that, before I got into Edgewater Beach, we had an apartment and
my father said, “hey, since she’s not traveling, I’m going to send your two sisters”, and
two of my sisters came out to Chicago to live with me. 17:38 She said, “I want you to
take care of Shorty”, that’s what they called me at home, she said, “I want you to take
care of her, so I’m sending you guys out to stay there”, so they got a job, and it was
during the war of course, in an airplane factory, both of them did, and it wasn’t hard to
get a job in Chicago in those days. I went ahead and worked at Edgewater and they
worked at the plane company and they took care of me and when I had to go to the
ballpark I always took the El and I rode place to place around Chicago on the El by
myself at night and you can’t do that today. 18:23
Interviewer: “You can in a lot of Chicago, not all of it”.

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�Anyway, that’s what I did.
Interviewer: “How long did you play in Chicago?”
I played in Chicago—I played pro ball until 1950. I went to college after high school and
the first year in college, and of course that college that I went to, the same problem I had
all year, girls aren’t supposed to play with boys. I was called into the president’s office
because I was playing ball with a boy on campus. Do you believe that? I was passing
ball with a boy on campus, so they called me into the president’s office and they said,
“we are not allowed to do that here”. It was at Nyack College in Nyack, New York, and I
said, “well, if I can’t keep up in the wintertime because of all the snow and everything,
and all the girls in Florida and California and Phoenix, Arizona and places are playing
year around and they go back to spring training and they’re all in shape and here I am in
snow country and I gotta keep in shape if I want’ a do anything and stay in the league
with the rest of them. I wouldn’t have enough money to come back here next year if I
didn’t make the team.” 19:45 He said, “ok, we’ll change the rules”, so I got to play ball
with the boys and beside that I joined the Y to keep up on the exercise in Nyack, New
York where the college was. I went down there and worked out myself a lot in between,
but when it got warmer I played outside with the boys. So that’s the story on that one.
Interviewer: “All right, then what did you get your degree in at college?”
In college, Christian education and I wanted to be a physical education teacher, then I
met this nice man and went two years to college, three—I know I had one more year to
go and I went ahead and he was one year behind me, so I went to work and helped put
him through and I decided to get married and that was something too because we
announced our engagement and they said, “freshmen aren’t supposed to get married”,

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�because they only had three years in this college and you had to go three and I went two
years. He said, “I’m not the one that’s announcing it, she’s announcing it and she’s a
sophomore”, so it was all right and they changed the rules on that one too. 20:57 I went
to work and I worked at Lederle’s’in Pearl River, New York and I made Oramycin
capsules in those years and I helped put him through college, so he got to finish.
Interviewer: “What did you do after that?”
After we went to Nyack, we settled down in a town, after he graduated, in 1952 we
settled down in Ashland, Ohio. Now, Ashland is about 20,000 people between Cleveland
and Columbus. He was born in Mansfield and he was a professional photographer, so he
got a job there in Ashland and we settled down and we bought a home and we stayed
there and raised two children, two boys, and we lived there from 1952 until 1978 and
then we moved to Tucson, Arizona in 1978 and that’s where we live now. 22:02
Interviewer: “I guess, while you were playing and going off to college and after you
finished playing, did the people around you know that you had been a professional
athlete?”
No, they didn’t believe me. My boy, when he went to school, he said, “my mom was a
professional ball player”, they had show and tell and he was in the first or second graded
I thing, and he said, “my dad is a professional photographer”, and he gets up and they
didn’t believe his mom was a professional ball player and I would tell the neighbors, “I
used to play pro ball” and they would say, “oh yeah, my mom was a garbage collector”,
and they didn’t believe it., so that’s what we went through all these years until the movie
came out in 1992 and that was different now. They called me up two or three times in
Ashland, Ohio, they wanted me to come back, so this October the 9th, I go back to

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�Ashland, Ohio and I will be in the Sports Hall of Fame this year. 23:06 They all believed
me after the movie came out and now they want me in the hall of fame, so that’s quite an
honor.
Interviewer: “Were you involved at all in any of the events surrounding the
movie?”
Around the National, two blocks from the biggest park, they had softball tournaments,
industrial, in Ashland, Ohio where I was, they were famous for softball and they had it
from all over the United States coming there and I’d go down to the ball park and watch
them all the time and meet the players that come in and everything and you didn’t have to
pay or anything. Of course some weekends when they had professional teams come in I
did pay, but I went down there and got to meet them and I told them I played bal and
stuff. I went out and passed and at that time I could still play pretty good. Remember, I
quit during my prime time and I was only twenty-one years old when I quit in 1950, so I
could still play ball. I also played for an industrial league. I got a job in Ashland and
they made leather jackets, it was called Kesko and they said, “hey Ann, you played ball,
you can play ball for me”, and I said, “ok, I’ll come out”, so they put me on first base.
24:15 It was the first night, this is an industrial league, and I was playing third base and
the ball was hit to me and the girl was going into home and I threw that ball into home
and it hit her chest, it hit the ground and they called 911, I’d of liked a killed her, so that
was the end of me playing ball for the industrial league. These were like the housewives
you know and I didn’t know it, I just went in there and did my thing and I couldn’t play
there anymore. 24:40
Interviewer: “Did you ever do any coaching?”

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�Yes I did, they wanted me to coach the girls. I went down at the park where they played
and helped with them once and a while, but I didn’t do much because I didn’t have much
patience, but I told them what I knew and everything, and the Y in Ashland, I went for
volleyball in the wintertime and basketball, so I played volleyball and I traveled all over
Ohio and we got for that Y and I don’t know how many, but I played like a pro once and
I hate to lose and these were a bunch of housewives and this girl beside me couldn’t hit it
too good, so I would get in front of her and hit the ball, and I got in a lot of trouble doing
that you know because once a pro always a pro. You play so hard and I don’t care what I
do, I play—I put everything in it and my name got to be mud after a while, but I stuck
with it. They got to know me and I was pretty good, so they hung onto me because I
helped the team. 25:48 I enjoyed traveling and playing with the women. We did that
from 1963 all the way until I left in 1978. I traveled all over in the wintertime.
Interviewer: “You were pretty constantly active in sports the whole time, so leaving
a professional league didn’t stop you, you kind of just kept going and in various
places and in college you kind of made them do it your way.”
Exactly, mom could never find me, I had a bat and a ball and I was in the neighborhood
and anybody would catch me, they would pick up a team, the boys, I was right there. We
had to play in the street a lot of the time because they didn’t have ball fields or anything
and every time we hit the ball and a car came by we had to get off the street, this is home
plate and we would get off the street right in the middle of a game and we had to move
over and let the car go by and then we would go back out in the street you know. 26:37
We played in the street a lot of times and you might have one or two cars go by. They
didn’t have many, but that’s what I did. As soon as I would get up in the morning as a

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�kid, I was all ready to go out and play ball. My mom had to send my sisters out there to
find out what street we were playing on and what team I was on , but I loved it so much
that and that was the only way I could play and I just went out every day to see who I
could play with.
Interviewer: “When they made the movie, A League of Their Own, they tried to get
together a bunch of the former players and they were involved in different events
connected with the movie. Were you a part of any of that?”
When they made the movie I signed up to go to Evansville, Indiana where they were for
their spring training, because I’m from Indiana. Anything in Indiana, like I left all my
stuff in South Bend, Indiana for the historical society because I’m from Indiana and I’m
proud of that. 27:36 I signed up to go, but at the time I was working at, it was like
Kroger’s, I worked fifteen years in Tucson, Arizona, it was called Alpha Beta and later it
was called Abco and I worked at that store, it was like Kroger like I say and a grocery
store it was and I was working—I started as a courtesy clerk and they were right across
the street from where I was living and I would go over there every day and say, “hey, can
I get a job?” They would say that they didn’t have anything and I said, “well, I’ll even
scrub the floors”, and I just wanted to get in because I knew what I could do. One day
after—I would say almost a year I tried to get in there and they said, “hey Ann, I’m
getting tired of looking at you, I’ll give you a job as a courtesy clerk, so I said, “ok, I’ll
take it, what is it?” I didn’t even know what it was. I knew what a bagger was, but I
didn’t know what a courtesy clerk was, so he said, “you just take this uniform and get
ready and come over tomorrow and you’ll be a courtesy clerk and I’ll teach you what to
do”. 28:38 I said, “ok, I just live across the street”, so I got this nice uniform and I put it

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�on and I went over there and he said, “you’re going to be bagging these groceries you
know and you’re going to be pushing those carts”, and I was about fifty years old at that
time and I was the oldest bagger in the state of Arizona, so I didn’t care and they had all
these teenagers and this is something else, so I went over there and I got to learn how to
bad, they taught me how to bag and stuff and I was going so fast they said, “that lady
must be on dope”, because they never saw anybody move like that and the teenagers were
just messing around and all they wanted was the money and they didn’t want to work and
I was working. I said to the manager, “I’d like forty-eight hours”, and he said, “we don’t
give courtesy clerks forty-eight hours, but I watched you work and I’ll call up the office
in California and I’ll see if I can get you forty-eight hours”, so he called up after a couple
of weeks or so and he said, “I got permission and you can work forty-eight hours a
week”, so I said, “ok”, so that’s what I did, forty-eight hours and I worked there for
fifteen years. 29:47 I got so I even taught courtesy clerks eight years and like I say, I
worked there fifteen years and I really enjoyed it. Moving fast was just the way I was
brought up. I move fast all the time, but they weren’t use to that because people there
don’t work like that and I was because of being so active getting those carts. I would go
out and get maybe eight or ten at a time and these people would bring in four or five you
know. He liked the way I worked, so I got to work forty-eight hours.
Interviewer: “Now we got into this subject when I asked you about going to
Evansville or you signed up to go to Evansville?”
I signed up to go to Evansville and my husband had open-heart surgery at the time and I
didn’t get there. I was working at the store, that’s why I got that store, so I stayed there,

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�but I wanted to go to be in the movie, but I didn’t make it. 30:46 At the end of the
movie and stuff.
Interviewer: “Now, since you only played with the all Americans for one year, how
did that combination of playing in the all American and then playing in the Chicago
League, what effect did that have on you?”
Well, because I was so young, I was still learning and a lot of those girls that came up
there, they had been playing for a few years and I was working on experience and I
wanted to get up there where the rest of them were you know and I wanted to stay in the
league for along time, as long as I could and that was the thing I was working on. The
only way you get experience is to play and I was sitting on the ---and that’s what the
manager told me, “Ann you’re good, but you need more experience”, so you’ll get it at
Chicago and I did. That’s what I liked and I stayed there and I got to know everyone and
everyone knew me and that’s why I decided to stay in Chicago when they wanted me
back. I said, “no, I’m going to stay here”, so that’s why, experience is what I was
working for at that time.
Interviewer: “You’re playing professional sports as a woman fairly early on, the
late forties and early fifties, did you see yourself as any kind of pioneer or didn’t you
think about that?”
I didn’t think about that, I went year to year, I had fun and I enjoyed it. Shorty Decker
and me and in Chicago on the Queens, we had more double plays than anyone in the
whole league and she took short stop and I took second because she was a little better and
short stop and she was older and I could play second and I could play third. Finally the
girl on third got to be forty some years old they put me on third and I almost got it down

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�my throat between short stop and third, but I learned when to come in and when to go
back and I ended up playing third at that time. 32:51
Interviewer: “It makes for an interesting story and a little bit different one, so I
would just like to thank you for coming in and telling it.”
I enjoyed it very much and thank you very much.

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                    <text>Grand Valley State University
Veterans History Project Interview
Desert Storm
Chris Petty

124 Minutes

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(00:00:11) Pre-enlistment
Born October 1969 in Cedar City, Utah
o Moved to Salt Lake City and was raised there
Father worked at local copper mine
Mother was a waitress
Attended a Mormon church
Graduated High School in 1988
o Immediately moved to Las Vegas, Nevada
o Worked construction there for six to seven months
Made good money but had no goals, eventually decided to join military
o Joined the Army for wider selection of jobs, other option was Marines

(00:02:28) Enlistment and Basic Training
Enlisted in May 1989, Went to Fort Jackson, South Carolina for Basic Training
o Basic Training consisted of "Soldierizing," Breaking down recruits with little sleep, lots of
exercise, was very regimented, active schedule
o Many team oriented tasks to bring soldiers from all walks of life together as a team
 Drill Sergeants were recently prohibited from striking the troops
o Biggest problems in training came from recruits who refuse to comply with team life
o Grouped into platoon for 12 weeks, troops become close, most made it through, 2 or 3
guys didn’t

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(00:06:00) Advanced Training
Went to Fort Gordon, Georgia for Communications training
o Never used equipment he was taught with
Training lasted 2-3 months
Most learning was in classroom, working with radios, setting up antennae
Learned Morse code, never used it

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(00:07:30) Airborne School
Consisted of lots of running in full uniform and jumping out of airplanes

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Learned how to jump and land safely
Physical conditioning and training was very important
Trained to go anywhere in the world and drop in within 36 hours
Finished Airborne School in November 1989, waited two weeks for assignment

(00:11:10) Ft. Hood/ LRS Competitions
Was assigned to Special Operations
Was technically stationed in Fort Hood
o Arrived amidst Long Range Surveillance competitions throughout army to form a new
Long Range Surveillance Company
Bounced around a lot, was in Fort Camel, Hawai'i, Germany, short field ops 2-3 months
Chris' Airborne unit was the only one in Fort Hood, and they won the competition
Chris' company acted as eyes and ears for the Division
o Would be inserted behind enemy lines and perform recon, report back to Division
o 5-6 man squads, highly outgunned, essential to remain undetected, had to silence dogs
for survival

(00:16:30) Desert Storm
Company was deployed without warning, briefed about Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait on
the flight to Egypt
o Landed within 36 hours of invasion
Met with a 7th group Special Forces group meant to train them on operations in the area
o Entered Saudi Arabia and practiced methods of insertion using teams of helicopters and
Jeeps
o Saudi Government would watch radar and tell what would appear, goal was to find a
way to evade these
o Settled on a plan that involved a rolling stop, making it appear on radar like the
helicopters turned around without landing, had to jump out at high speeds
o Prepared this operation for five months
There was a compound on the outskirts of the city called Arabian Chicago Bridge and Iron
o Chicago based company, brought in trailers for troops to stay in
o People who worked at ACBI were laborers imported from Sri Lanka, brought interesting
culinary dishes
Chris' unit was kept away from the front lines, set up a base in the East with 18th Airborne corps,
was paired with Brainiac intelligence troops

(00:26:20) Crossing the Border
Was embedded with intelligence units, gathering data on the enemy, began crossing border into
Kuwait in October
o Would fly directly over enemy encampments

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Searched for low spots between hills and would set down under camouflage and gather enemy
intelligence
o Operated under extreme heat, most of carry weight was water, operations lasted 2-3
days
Main function was to recon the terrain for future movements, was not informed of larger scope
of operations
After main US attack is launched, Chris' operations move further and further into Kuwait
Wore sterile uniforms, no markings, caused a few close calls and misunderstandings
One team in the company took some Iraqi troops prisoner, they were in such awful shape they
received medical attention while the team waited for extraction
Volunteered to stay back and clean out trucks after operation was over, then returned to Ft.
Bragg, redeployed to fight the War on Drugs in South American countries

(00:37:00) War on Drugs
Served in the new 18th Airborne Corps, acted as eyes and ears of the War on Drugs in South
America
Operated all over South America, Columbia and Honduras
o Not permitted to go into cities, kept in confinement to prevent bias of locals
o One mission in Honduras featured the team's heavy being dropped onto a cow
Mission was to watch villagers tending to drug fields
Soldiers knew to recognize cartel presence by the presence of vehicles
Tension was always high, soldiers were told if something went wrong, they were on a "training
mission"
Chris' team would often be attacked by spider monkeys, team took coordinated shots to
disperse them without making too much noise
Served with a West Point Lieutenant, let ants eat through his backpack to teach him a lesson
Chris' team was never compromised by locals
Performed these missions for about a year and a half, made maintaining a life at home very
difficult, Chris requested reassignment

(00:42:18) Reassignment
Assigned to a signal battalion, didn't really find a place there
o A military intelligence officer happened to be there and handpicked Chris to be his
Training Officer
As Training Officer in Ft. Hood, Chris was in charge of physical training, gas chambers, and the
rifle range, operated here for about 8 months
Sent back to Ft. Lee for supply school, consisted mostly of logistics, much less physical, lasted
about 2-3 months
Chris was granted a short leave, then deployed to Korea

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(00:45:40) Korea
Flew to Korea on commercial flight from LAX straight to Korea, extreme jet lag from changing
international time zones
Assigned to 1-5 Infantry for battalion logistics, managed supplies for the entire battalion, only
got two weeks of training with the current crew, forced to learn the system quickly
Stationed at Camp Casey, largest northern post in South Korea
Korean Nationals with wealthy families would serve alongside American forces, Chris requested
to room with the Koreans so he can learn about their culture
o The Koreans didn't know much English, sometimes had selective understanding
o Korean Republic Army was rough on its soldiers, Chris witnessed a disciplinary beating
o Had a few issues but overall enjoyed serving with them
Chris traveled all over the country using the Korean transit system, visited 2000 year old
temples, experienced local cuisine, went scuba diving, ate freshly caught and cooked octopus
Opted to go to mountaineering school on an island off the coast rather than taking mid-tour
leave
Operated here for a year 1993-1994
Traveled in civilian clothes, most people still knew he was military, local Koreans seemed to like
the Americans
Went from Korea to the 82nd Airborne Division

(00:59:58) 82nd Airborne
82nd is America's reactionary force, built to go first, soldiers were in one of three cycles
o When on mission cycle, everything was packed and ready to go, had to keep officers
informed of location at all times, be able to return to base in two hours, could not drink
 Didn’t know where they were going, most often were training drill
o When on support cycle, was responsible for loading trucks and preparing supplies for
those on mission cycle
o When on training cycle, would do field and range training, kept skills sharp at National
Training Center
o Average cycle was 1-2 months
Stayed with 82nd for about 6 years
Got married and had first son in this time
Attended Police academy for a semester, paid for by the Army, started working as part time
officer in sheriff’s department
Majority of people surrounding the base were veterans, most people were friendly toward
military
Chris never really served with female troops
Reader’s Digest wrote an article on the 82nd, spent a couple weeks with the troop, called them
Most Fit Alcoholics On The Planet

(00:07:17) (Timer has restarted) Getting out

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Never deployed with 82nd, served as supply guy for the artillery, liked to play with the guns in
off time
Left Ft. Bragg and left the military
Chris didn’t really like Utah, Wife was from Jackson, Michigan so they moved there
Chris went to college full time under the GI Bill
o Earned his pilot's license
Was still in the Reserves at this time, helping with criminal investigations, worked one weekend
a month
o Much more relaxed environment
Chris always wanted to be a pilot and fly, required 700-800 hours of flight time, only had 100 or
so after flight school
o Best way to fill the gap was instructing, Pay was too little and the hours were dependent
on students and too inconsistent for Chris to pursue further

(00:10:05) Going Back In
Joined the ADSR, (Active Duty in Support of Reserves) in 1998-99, stayed for 5-6 years
o Became full time member of a transportation unit in Battle Creek, Michigan
Still a major shift from the 82nd Airborne mindset
Commander was a new guy, also a fireman, First Sergeant worked for a trucking company
Chris became known as the Black Market First Sergeant
o Had 10 years of experience and knew how things worked
o People came to him to get things done
o Taught the guys how to rappel, was one of two rappel masters in Michigan at the time
Worked closely with Battle Creek law enforcement, teaching the SWAT teams how to rappel
o Received an award from the police department
While working for the Sheriff’s department in Fayetteville, North Carolina, Chris was handpicked
for the special teams because of his training, even though he was a rookie
(00:14:35) Iraq
Chris’s Battle Creek unit was deployed to Iraq with the Striker Brigade, part of the large Task
Force, and assigned to an active duty battalion, worked with more contractors than soldiers
Deployed from Ft. Lewis, WA, got new equipment and refreshed training
o Chris secured the team better trucks than they were assigned
o Chris focused on getting everyone what they needed to go
Chris was sent with the Advanced Party to Kuwait, flew on Hawaiian Airlines, had layover in
Ireland, flew to Kuwait from there
Chris’s unit came from average walks of life and were able to set up their own AC and electricity,
were self-sufficient
Had to salvage armor and materials for their inadequate trucks
Much of the force was ready to go for months while waiting for Strikers to be finished properly
o Strikers were lighter vehicles, could get in more places on weaker infrastructure

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Drivers trained without large cages that were added in the field for RPG protection,
caused them to run into everything
o Strikers were spoiled by the Army
Deployed every-other with the Strikers, separated by twelve hours, got through most of country
unopposed
Iraq was much more battle-torn and scarred by war than Chris’ previous visit in Desert Storm,
Stayed mostly on the roads
At one point set up headquarters in a former mental hospital
Conflict was relatively quiet around Chris, unit was in Tikrit when Saddam Hussein was captured,
not involved in that operation though
Moved north to Mosul, the unit’s final destination, transport took fire on this journey, often
took mortar fire completely out of nowhere
Chris’ unit had 18 Iraqi’s working for them, got to know culture through them,
o Some were Kurdish, some were Iraqi, Chris saw the hatred and forced them to work
with each other, eventually they found their common humanity
o Some of the workers accrued bounties for working with the Americans
Chris consistently saw an extreme lack of humanity, no one kept records, many didn’t know how
old they were
Chris’ commanders were control freaks, networked to get his guys supplies
o Picked up a whole truck of air conditioners for his troops, got in trouble and got
grounded for it, whole truck got shot up and air conditioners were ruined
Chris’ unit took several casualties, Humvees were improperly armored
o Two men had close calls with death and had to be sent to Germany for mental therapy,
one eventually returned to duty
o IED’s were the biggest enemy, biggest killer
o Iraqi’s believed that large satellite dishes produced force fields around the truck,
attached trash bags to RPG’s to penetrate them, made rocket flight erratic
o Chris was fired at by an enemy taking cover behind a cow
Chris spent 16 months in Iraq, volunteered to stay behind an extra month
Chris’ only problem with Iraq was the disruptive effect it had on his family
o Troops had phone banks to communicate with family, Internet came toward end of
Chris’ stay, no cell phones
o Had big impact on Chris’ relationship with his son
The inhumanity of daily life in Iraq stands out to Chris the most
The strength of the insurgency was increasing during Chris’ stay, many were crossing the border
from Syria
Chris saw that Halliburton was stealing oil from Iraq and taking it to Kuwait, Americans were
guarding their trucks with their lives
Halliburton contracted out many positions that the Army was trained to do
Chris’ Iraqi workers told him stories of the insurgency kidnapping kids and threatening their
death to coerce parents into car bombings
One of Chris’ workers was captured and mutilated on video because he was working with Chris
(00:46:42) After Iraq

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Chris spends a week in debriefing, making sure his physically and mentally okay, help acclimate
to civilian life, everyone is impatient to go home
o Many vets have driving issues, can’t drive at night
Chris begins working as an Army recruiter in 2005, Chris enjoyed the work and helping kids out,
hated the chain of command climate
Chris was top recruiter in MI in his first year
Chris encountered people avoiding him in uniform at Andrews University, met resistance from
the Dean in obtaining student records
o Talked to students about his philosophy on Iraq and reasons for being there
Many recruits joined for same reasons as Chris, searching for direction and something to do,
needed a future, some want to do their part for their country
Had issues with recruiting commander, who wanted him to change his successful recruiting
methods, Chris refused and won out because he outranked him
Chris was given station of choice until his retirement, chose to be sent to an MP company in
South Bend at one rank lower than he was in order to keep his kids in the same school district,
ended up being promoted to First Sergeant, one rank higher than he started
Retired from Army as First Sergeant of that MP company
Worked security at a nuclear plant, was mind-numbing work so Chris left
Chris’ wife works as a nurse, Chris takes care of kids and is going back to school for things he
enjoys

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                    <text>Living with PFAS
Interviewer: Danielle DeVasto
Interviewee: Gary Pettyjohn
Date of Interview: 7/28/2021
Danielle DeVasto: I'm Dani DeVasto, and today, July 28, 2021, I have the pleasure of chatting with Gary
Pettyjohn. Hi, Gary.
Gary Pettyjohn: Hello, how are you?
Danielle DeVasto: I'm doing well. How are you?
Gary Pettyjohn: Uh, we're freezing up a little bit here. Soon as you started recording, it started.
Danielle DeVasto: Oh, yep, my internet connection is unstable.
Gary Pettyjohn: Oh, okay, so it's you, not me.
Danielle DeVasto: It's me. Yeah, it's me.
Gary Pettyjohn: Okay.
Danielle DeVasto: I'm even hard wired in.
Gary Pettyjohn: Oh, interesting.
Danielle DeVasto: Yeah, it's unfortunate. Um, am I sounding better to you now?
Gary Pettyjohn: It is.
Danielle DeVasto: Okay, I'll just- I'll just start over, I guess. Uh, I'm Dani DeVasto and today, July 28,
2021, I have the pleasure of chatting with Gary Pettyjohn. Hi, Gary.
Gary Pettyjohn: Hello.
Danielle DeVasto: Gary, can you tell me about where you're from and where you currently live?
Gary Pettyjohn: I currently live in Northville, Michigan, uh, but I was born and raised in Grayling,
Michigan, uh, north, in northern Michigan, uh, near the Camp Grayling, uh, uh, National Guard Army
training site so.
Danielle DeVasto: And you said you currently live in North?
Gary Pettyjohn: Northville.
Danielle DeVasto: Northville. So—
Gary Pettyjohn: Yeah.
Danielle DeVasto: —I'm still learning some of my Michigan geography. [LAUGHTER]
Gary Pettyjohn: Oh, no worries, it's on, uh, it's in southeast Michigan.
Danielle DeVasto: Okay, how long have you lived in Northville?
Gary Pettyjohn: Uh, in Northville about three-and-a-half years. Before that, my wife and I lived in South
Lyon, Michigan. It's over by Brighton, uh, north of Ann Arbor, for close to 25 years so.
Danielle DeVasto: All right.
Gary Pettyjohn: So.
Danielle DeVasto: Gary, can you tell me a story about your experience with PFAS or with PFAS in your
community?
Gary Pettyjohn: Yeah, I- I, you know, my experience with PFAS all centers aro-, centers around where I
grew up. Um, I had heard of PFAS, you know, in the news most- mostly related to either Oscoda or, uh,
you know, at- at around the Air Force base there, Portsmouth, and, uh, and over on the west side of the
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�state around was it Rockford, um, I believe. Um, so, I mean, those were the most noteworthy PFAS
stories I had heard of. Um, but back in, uh, 2017, 2018, uh, I was driving home from work and, uh,
listening to NPR, as I usually did, and I had one of those NPR moments where the story just grabbed me
because it was a story about PFAS, and then they mentioned Grayling. And that, you know, perked my
ears up. [LAUGHTER] I, um, I, and, uh, I got home, I stayed out in the car, listened to the rest of the
report, came in, ate dinner, and got on the internet. And, uh, you know, the rest, they say, is history. Um,
it was just, uh, it was like going down a rabbit hole, you know, because, um, it just kept getting worse and
worse the more I, the more I looked into it until I found a heat map that, uh, that the military had put out.
Uh, and then there's two, there's two groups that are dealing with Grayling. There's the military and
they've got this RAB group, um, that's dealing with the PFAS contamination. And then you've got the state
of Michigan in part doing their thing. Um, I, you know, I wasn't aware of either. Um, but I found this heat
map and, uh, and, you know, the- the green and yellow and red dots all around the airfield, which is, you
know, the area that I grew up in. I grew up in, um, uh, two separate homes that were in the testing area,
and, you know, there were yellows and reds and, you know, a few greens sprinkled in there. But I- I also
know that even though we lived in town, we had a private well, and, you know, and so that was, that was
concerning . Um, uh, these heat maps showed, you know, where the PFAS was flowing, and it was like
flowing right through my backyard, you know. Um, so, you know, that's- that's- that was the beginning of
my awareness [LAUGHTER] of, uh, PFAS, and- and then I started, you know, wondering about, you
know, all the health issues that my family's had. Uh, my mother, when she was in her late 40s, um, uh,
needed her appendix removed, and they did a biopsy on it, and there was some rare form of cancer in
this, in this appendix. So, they, um, you know, she did, you know, did a- a round of treatment, and, um,
and ironically, the day that she was declared terminal was the day she got a notification that she was
cancer-free. I don't know how that works, but, uh, [LAUGHTER] I, uh, uh, it just one of those ironic things.
Um, so it, you know, it- it took, she had about five years from the initial diagnosis to when she- she
passed away. Um, right about the same time, my father became ill. He had turned jaundiced, and so he
went into his physician, and he told him to go immediately up to, uh, the medical center up in Petoskey,
Michigan. Um, uh, and, you know, they ran tests and couldn't determine what was causing it, um, so they
did exploratory surgery. They opened him up, they went in and they found, um, tumors, pre-can- is what
they call pre-cancerous tumors on his pancreas and then on his liver, and they performed a procedure
called a Whipple. And, you know, if anybody's curious about it, Google it. It's, uh, [LAUGHTER] it's almost
medieval what they do, and they don't, they don't use that procedure very much anymore becausebecause of the horrible side effects of it. Uh, but they, you know, they basically removed part of his
pancreas as part of his liver, sections of his, you know, bowels, part of his stomach, and then they
somehow plumb it all back together. And, uh, um, and, you know, true to what I, the research I had done
on Google about the Whipple, uh, he had terrible side effects. He had, he suffered from pancreapancreatitis attacks, uh, on a regular basis. Uh, they finally got that a little under control with his
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�meant for horses. Uh, used to get these shots, um, to try to keep his pancreas under control. Um, but hishis liver slowly, uh, you know, basically disintegrated, and, you know, cause of death was cirrhosis of the
liver. Um, I mean, he did have, you know, he lived with that for about 20 years. So, I mean it wasn't an
immediate, um, immediate thing like it was for my mom, but, uh, you know, it certainly wasn't much quality
of life. You know, constantly, uh, being afraid to get too far away from the hospitals because, you know,
he had a bad experience going into a- a different hospital they didn't know his history, and, uh, you know,
they really messed him up. Um, so he was always afraid to venture too far from home. Um, and, you
know, I've, you know, I, in high school I developed asthma, which was, you know, doctor back then said it
was kind of strange that, you know, that I developed asthma, you know, that late in life. Um, you know,
I've had, uh, I was hospitalized once with vasculitis and I- I was at U of M Hospital for, you know, almost
over a week, and they would bring in the- the- the wannabe doctors and to- to poke and prod me because
they never seen anything like it. And I came out of it with a diagnosis of Crohn's disease. Um, I don't- I
don't- I don't think I had Crohn's disease. I think I had, you know, some kind of inflammation in the bowel,
but I don't think it was Crohn's disease. I have a cousin that has Crohn's disease, and, you know, I've
seen what it's done to him, so I'm pretty sure I don't have that. But, you know, they did the best they
could. So, you know, and my sisters, both of my sisters have had, uh, children with autism. Uh, one- one
child was born with cerebral palsy. Uh, and, you know, my- my- my one sister had- has one severe
autistic child, one I'd say mildly, uh, another one that's probably on the spectrums, like an Asperger's
type. Um, and the oldest girl, I, you know, I think she's, uh, she's been, you know, pretty healthy. But so I
mean, you just, you go back [LAUGHTER] and you- you learn about this PFAS chemical that likely was in
your water when you were growing up. You know, one of the frustrating things for me has been as a
nonresident, you know, [LAUGHTER] you know, I requested and- and, uh, information about any of the
testing that they had done at the house where I used to live, and, uh, and I was told that that was, you
know, that was not gonna happen, that, you know, I- I didn't live there so, therefore, they wouldn't release
those- those figures to me. Um, so, you know, that's- that's been a little frustrating. Uh, I think something
that's sorely lacking in- in- in these conversations is, you know, what about the people that used to live in
the house that's been found to have PFAS? And I understand that priority number one is, you know,
identifying where it is, and, you know, get clean water to those people, whether that's through filtration or
through hooking them up to municipal water supplies or- or whatever- whatever's got to happen. I
understand that that's the first- the first priority, but, um, you know, it's- it's like if you lived there, if you
lived there, you know, your- your exposure doesn't count. You know, that's kind of the way I feel about it.
Uh, I had joined the, MPART started a, uh, a Citizens- what, a Citizens Advisory Workgroup, um, and, you
know, in hopes of getting more information and, you know, it turned into, in my opinion, I don't know, it's
just kind of a bureaucracy. And, you know, I attended a year's worth of meetings and it was going
nowhere, so, you know, I politely said, you know, I'm out. Um, so, I've been rambling. [LAUGHTER] I, you
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�Danielle DeVasto: Where did you go from there after MPART, or what have- what- what for you was the
story at that point?
Gary Pettyjohn: Um, you know, I- I just, I kinda, I'm- I'm obsessed. I have a thumb drive that's full of, you
know, everything from, you know, news articles to scientific papers to, uh, just anything you could
imagine. I spent a week downloading all the- all the documents, uh, related to the Minnesota vs. 3M, uh,
lawsuit that they concluded in 2018 or 2019. Uh, the attorney general for the state of Minnesota, uh,
kindly put all those out there so for everybody to see. That's been very interesting. Um, you know, I
monitor the- the- the RAB, the military side of, you know, Grayling's remediation and test, you know,
water testing activities. And, you know, any- anything that MPART puts out, I'm still on the mailing list, so I
get all the e-mails. Um, so, you know, it's, it- it- it, I guess I- I don't know anything for sure. I don't know
that- that our water had PFAS in it. I- I don't, you know, it's- it's a tale of, I don't know, I guess. Um, I find it
hard to believe that we weren't impacted given all of the health issues, um, especially, you know,
especially with my dad. One of the- one of the PFAS issues is, you know, liver, panc-, you know,
pancreas, kidney- kidney type problems. He certainly qualified for that. But, uh, um, you know, I'm angry.
I'm angry that, you know, that these chemical companies knew what, you know, that- that these were
toxic chemicals, and, um, and touted 'em as some miracle, you know. Uh, some miracle product that
would put out, you know, fires from, you know, crashed aircraft and, you know, fuel fires, things like that.
And, you know, I can remember growing up, uh, seeing plumes of smoke coming from, you know, the
airfield, and, uh, you know, they just used to, you know, light stuff on fire and put it out, you know,
weekend after weekend after weekend. So, you know, I, uh, I think there's something terribly wrong with
the chemical regulation process in the United States and probably throughout the world. The EU seems
to have their act a little bit better that we do. Um—
Danielle DeVasto: What problem is it that you think there is?
Gary Pettyjohn: Well, I, that- that they're allowed to use chemicals in manufacturing and, you know,
consumer products, and- and there's no responsi- they have no responsibility for figuring out what the
toxicity is, and how these chemicals move around in the environment, and if they're bioaccumulative. You
know, they, you know, they, you know, they came out in, uh, what 1976, they came out with the- the—I
forget the acronym. It's for- for the legislation, but it was supposed to tighten up regulation. But then they
grandfathered, like, 65,000 chemicals that were on the books at the time. You know, um, you know, the
chemical companies want to- want to vet, you know, one PFAS chemical at a time, but there's thousands
of, you know, it'd that the next couple centuries to- to figure out all the nasty effects from these chemicals.
But, you know, they're okay with that because, you know, they're making money all the time while, you
know, they're delaying, you know, they're running their delay tactics. You know, I- I don't, and- and PFAS
is not the only one. I mean, there's all kinds of chemicals out there I'm sure that are benefiting from the
poor, same poor regulatory structure that we have. Um, you know, in my mind, you shouldn't be able to,
you know, at least with the FDA, when they release a drug that they had to go through some testing. They
had to understand side effects, and document side effects, you know. But the chemical companies, they

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�can just Better Life Through Chemistry, and then, you know, people are left holding the bag. You know,
people get sick, people die before any action's taken. It just doesn't sit right with me. But, uh, so, you
know, I troll 3M, DuPont and ChemOrgs on Twitter. You know, every time they pet, you know, they
dislocate their shoulde- you know, what terrible citizens they are. [LAUGHTER] It's about all I can do, you
know. I write—
Danielle DeVasto: And you said and you, and you said you weren't aware of PFAS before you heard that
NPR show, right?
Gary Pettyjohn: No, no, and my sister still lives in, you know, she's actually lives in my, the last house
that my dad owned in Grayling. And even that house is- is inside of- of the testing area. Um, the house is
only, I'd say, maybe two miles from the airfield, but it's- it's not, it's- it's not in the- in the flow as the
geologists have- have, uh, identified of the PFAS plume. But, you know, but she- she lives in that
community still. And I called her up and I'm like, why didn't you say anything? And she's- [LAUGHTER]
she's like, "Oh yeah- yeah, I heard of PFAS. They've been drillin' wells up and down our road." And, uh,
so, um, I, you know, I gently tried to get her to do a little research on her own, you know, just to try to
understand what it's- what it's about, and, um, you know, my sisters are 15 and 17 years younger than
me, um, so, you know, my- my mom after I was born, she miscarried a couple of years later, and then she
was told she would never have children. And something corrected itself, [LAUGHTER] uh, and my- my
oldest sister came along you know, they didn't grow up in- in those houses. They- the only one that they
grew up in were- was the last one that my sister lives in now. So, but, I mean all the studies say that it's
passed from, you know, mother to child. So, you know, if my mom had high levels of PFAS in her, likely,
you know, they were impacted, um, you know, and we're all- we're all exposed to it to a certain degree,
uh, as it's been shown that, you know, every American, you know, virtually every American had some
level of PFAS in their blood, um, so, in addition to these extra exposures, you know, by people that arethat live near air bases or live near these- these chemical company facilities that, uh, get a lit- little extra,
uh, you know, we're all continually- continually exposed, so I, you know, it's—I, uh, read that, uh, Robert
Billot, I read his exposure book, you know, and, you know, it didn't help my attitude towards __________
00:01:27. [CHUCKLE] I'm sure that was the intent, uh, but, you know, it's just, uh, I don't know, it's- it's
been frustrating.
Danielle DeVasto: I know.
Gary Pettyjohn: I just, there's, and I doubt that I'll ever get any answers, you know. So.
Danielle DeVasto: Well, you might have touched on this a little bit, but what concerns do you have about
PFAS contamination moving forward from this point?
Gary Pettyjohn: Uh, just the glacial pace of- of, you know, trying to get the EPA to do anything about it,
you know, the last four years, and nothing was going to happen on PFAS, so, you know, as soon as the
2016 election was over, I was [CHUCKLE] pretty much, you know, that was a done deal, but, uh, um, you
know, I- I'm just—I think at its core, you know, this is just another example of, you know, a poor regulatory
system, you know, a poor that allows chemical companies to create chemicals in the lab, find a use for it,

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�and, you know, they just put it out there and, you know, it basically turns us all into lab rats, you know,
um, and once they start identifying, you know, people start going, "Hey, we live next to this __________
00:03:16 plant and, you know, everybody's coming up with testicular cancer and, you know, liver
problems and all this stuff," and, you know, people start putting two and two together all of a sudden, you
know? Yeah. And then they fight you tooth and nail, so, to prove it and I don't know why it's incumbent on
us, you know, as- as citizens, to prove that your product is harming, you know. Uh, you know, the terrible
thing about, you know, chemical contamination is there's no smoking gun. You know, it takes decades
sometimes for these cancers and diseases to- to manifest and, uh, I mean, trying to prove causation is- is
very difficult and, um, you know, it's just- it's, I- I don't understand why they don't have to prove that their
product is safe before—or if it's not safe, then let everybody know it's not safe and don't let it be
discharged into, you know, surface waters, you know, used indiscriminately, [LAUGHTER], you know. Uh,
you know, I can remember, uh, the local fire department in Grayling, uh, they used to have this,
[CHUCKLE] like at fourth of July or something, they had this big- big ball on a rope that they strung
across and then they had two fire trucks on either end and they were trying to force the ball over over the
line with- with the fire hoses and one year as an added special thing, they used this foam, [CHUCKLE]
sprayed down, you know, sprayed down everybody. People were playing in it. You know, you look back
on that stuff and you're like, oh, my God, you know, you're so ignorant. But there were people that weren't
ignorant, and that's- that's the disheartening thing, people knew. You know, some people tried to warn us
__________ 00:05:39, you know, but then they were just, you know, crank employees ushered away, you
know, but, you know, I think, you know, that's disappointing. It's disappointing that companies put profits
over people, you know.
Danielle DeVasto: There were people like that in Grayling, in your community, that you remember
growing up that tried to say things about the foam?
Gary Pettyjohn: No, no, no. Uh, people that worked within the chemical companies. If you read any of
it—and I found that out because of the 3M law, the Minnesota lawsuit against 3M, there were documents
in there that there was an employee that famously, you know, fired off a- a resignation letter and, uh, it
was funny because the anti PFAS people use that as a big example of, you know, here's somebody that,
you know- you know, tried to stand up to them- stand up to 3M and I guess event—you know, like a few
months later, he went back to work for 3M and ended up retiring from there. Now he grows organic
vegetables out in, you know, Iowa, somewhere, so- [LAUGHTER] so much for having a conscience, you
know. Maybe he- maybe he went back 'cause he thought he'd- he'd be able to make changes, but, um,
obviously not so much, you know. I mean, 3M knew that this stuff was bad, which is why they got out of
business. You know, they stopped making, they stop- stopped making, uh, you know, what was it PFOA,
was there a big thing, I think, uh, they stopped making it back in the early 2000s, uh, 'cause they knew.
[CHUCKLE] I'm sure their- their people told them, "You're gonna lose your shirt on this stuff if you don't
stop put it out there" So, they sold the patent rights to, uh, to DuPont, who had absolutely no problem, uh,
taking up the mantle and producing those terrible chemicals. So. [LIP SMACK] So. Yeah.

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�Danielle DeVasto: Well, before we wrap up today, is there anything else that you'd like to add that we
haven't touched on or anything you'd like to go back to and say more about?
Gary Pettyjohn: No, I don't think so. Uh, that's my story, I'm sticking to it, I guess. [CHUCKLE] You know,
it's- it's not so much of a story as, uh, I wonder if there's a story there, you know. Again, I don't know that
I'll ever- ever get the answers I'm looking for, you know. Nobody can tell me what the PFAS levels were
like in my private well when I was growing up on 802 Plum Street in Grayling, Michigan, during the '70s,
you know. Uh, you know, don't know that I'll ever know. So.
Danielle DeVasto: Well, thank you so much, Gary, for taking the time to talk with me and share your
story today.
Gary Pettyjohn: Sure. Thank you.

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Leo Pfaller
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(00:00) Early Years:
• Grew up in a lower middle class family
• Graduated from Lowell High School
• Father was an immigrant from Germany and married his mother in 1927
• His parents moved Lowell from South Dakota
• Close family ties
• Has older brother, good relationship
• He broke his brother’s nose with a hammer when he was eight
• His brother now lives in Toledo
(02:43) School:
• Graduated close to the top ten in the class
• Small person, 5’1” and 98 lbs
• Participated in tennis, class officer, and had a good time in school
(03:17) Married Life:
• Marriage is fine, married July 10, 1954
• Joined the service in February 1954, wife stayed home and he visited her every weekend
• Stationed in Fort Knox, not allowed to go on leave outside fifty miles until he completed
his training
• After training, his wife lived with her parents and he was transferred to Texas where he
stayed his entire military career
• Had three boys
• The first son John died at 12 years old from medical problems
• Second son Robert born in 1957 and the third son James was born in 1959
• Robert is a salesman and James is employed by Sysco
(04:41) Experiences with the Draft:
• He was drafted while he was in college in 1953
• He was told he would get college deferment
• Checked with his draft board and told he was due to join in October 1953
• He didn’t get a call later and he checked back with them and someone had advanced
their draft, so he didn’t have to join until after December

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Received notice to report in December and he became engaged to his wife December 21
Reported for active duty in February 1954

(05:36) Beginning of his Military Career/Training:
• He was in Armor
• He was able to give his preference on position
• His first choice was to be the Seabees and his second choice was to be in engineering or
construction
• His third choice was stamped in by the military and it was Armor
• He was drafted into the Army
• Had 10 weeks of Armor training
• Selected as a tank commander to stay and train the next group for their tank training
• Spent the next 10 weeks for training and then was shipped out to Fort Hood
• In training, he just did as he was ordered to
• Training was physically and mentally challenging but it wasn’t a problem
(07:15) Training Stories:
• When he was a tank commander in charge of his crew, they went on a driving expedition
• Kentucky is notorious for its clay soil and it was raining
• Drove 48 ton tanks across a length of about five football fields on wet, flat clay soil
• It was fun to put the tank in neutral and spin the tank around
• They also took the tanks out to the 90mm range and completed their firing exercise
• On the way back to base from the range to clean up the tanks, the tank about ten in front
of his had a hatch break and it decapitated the tank commander when it went down
• He didn’t feel training was too stressful, just another job
(08:40) Entertainment:
• In basic training, the military kept them busy with exercises
• At Fort Hood the training was less stringent so they had more leisure time
• The men would play poker and write letters
• He didn’t leave base that much especially since he was married but some went to Juárez
and other Mexican towns for entertainment
• Movies were fairly close by and he went occasionally
(09:41) Family Life during Service:
• His wife didn’t visit him on base
• She became pregnant on one of the last weekends of training and was due June 5, 1955
• He was home on leave for that occasion and he lost his first baby

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Scheduled to go to Germany but he didn’t have enough time left so he stayed at Fort
Hood

(10:33) Food:
• The food was good, they had C-rations
• Being non-wartime, they were fed well with good cooks
• His last three or four months of service, he was a cook
• Food was shipped in and they had a schedule of what they were supposed to eat
• 200 men in the company would have an hour to eat, most ate fast because they didn’t
want to eat cold food
(11:43) End of his Service:
• On leave he would go home and spend time with his family
• After being done with the service, he got a job with a tile company in Grand Rapids, MI
on his third day back
• He went back to college and got his GI Bill to pay $135 per semester
• He had to maintain 12 credit hours to receive it
• He took courses in college that applied to construction
• Worked the summers locally to pay his way through school
• Couldn’t wait until 4 p.m. to get his discharge papers and leave
• Right after he got off base he changed into civilian clothes
• Four people were discharged that day, one of them from Kalamazoo procured a car to
drive home with and prepared it for driving from Texas to Michigan
• When it was his turn to drive he found that the car was pulling towards the left, the guy
had put about 175 lbs of air in one of the tires
• He was in the service exactly two years
(14:34) Unable to Receive Compensation for Hearing Lost During Service:
• During his service, he lost most of his hearing in his left ear and 40% in his right when a
tank next to him fired a 90mm round during inspection
• He tried to get a hearing aid through Veterans’ Administration in Grand Rapids but was
denied
• His brother was also in the service in rocket training and lost some hearing and was able
to receive a hearing aid in New York
(15:52) Benefits of Service and Experiences with Racial Problems
• Proud to serve his country but also glad to leave
• Didn’t really appreciate it until 20 years after when he joined the Legion

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The Legion marches in parades, have Veterans’ Day dinners and get-togethers in
remembrance
The service gave him a chance to mature and improve racial relations
At the time, segregation was very popular and there were some African-Americans in
his outfit that served with distinction
Some of the members of his unit, especially a sergeant that participated in very racial
activities
One night that sergeant was the sergeant of the guard and three men snuck into his
private room and nailed his table, chairs and bed into the ceiling
That sergeant died during maneuvers: it was cold and he laid on the back of the tank
and the combination of the auxiliary engine (used for communication and batteries)
and the blanket cause him to asphyxiate

(18:27) Friendships:
• He had a good friend in the service that he joined up with and left with
• Had other good friends that he played poker with
• That was the main entertainment: being together, a bond between soldiers
• His fondest memory is getting out, but it was a good experience
• He enjoyed the comradeship
(19:38) Experiences with a Court-Martial:
• He was on guard duty in May and they had to wear their winter uniforms until
Memorial Day
• His job was to bar the gate and check tickets to make sure any cars passing were
authorized
• He was very sick and he was sitting on a rock by the other company’s guard shack
• A jeep came up and he got up and asked for the paperwork
• The man in the jeep was the officer of the day checking on the guards and told him he
should not be sitting down during guard duty
• He replied to the officer that he was very sick and told him where he threw up
• The officer set him up with a court-martial and he went back to the barracks
• About a week later they were on maneuvers in a field and he was called out of the
tank to an Armored Personnel Carrier and had his court-martial
• The officers quizzed him and the prosecuting officer was there
• Given a 30 day restriction and a $30 fine
• One of his friends in Battalion HQ notified him that it never got on his record
• Advice to future servicemen: “Do what you’re told and do the best job you can.”
(22:23) Pictures of his Time in the Service:

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Basic Training picture with his friend
Tank firing 90mm in Fort Knox, Sept ‘54
Didn’t like paying a $1 of his wages out of $90 per month for haircuts
Picture of him cutting his friends hair with barber equipment that his mother gave him
Charged $0.50 for a haircut and made more money that way than being in the service
Wedding pictures
Picture of him lying in a tank tread
He was in Able Company and his tank got stuck in a muddy creek
An African-American came by and built a fire to help dry their clothes and sold a
bottle of wine to them for a dollar
He received a sharpshooter award when he was in Basic Training
Used a 30 caliber carbine and their personal weapon was a 45mm pistol
Left the service as a specialist in the 4th Armored Division
Graduated from Michigan State University

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Veterans History Project
Dan Pfeiffer
(01:12:48)
(1:30) Background Information
• Dan was born in Byron Township on December 18, 1931
• He spent his childhood on a farm during the depression
• They had nothing extra, but food
• Dan spent lots of time hunting and fishing
• He went to a one room school with seven other grades
• He had to walk 8 miles everyday to high school
• His father had wanted him to take over the farm when he got older, but he was
only interested in cars
• Dan started driving when he was 12 years old
(10:30) The Korean War
• The media had been calling it the Korean Conflict at the time
• Dan planned on enlisting in the Air Force, but had been drafted before he had
time
• He was drafted into the Army on May 10
• Dan went to Battle Creek for his induction into the Army
• He then went to Fort Riley in Kansas for 16 weeks in basic training
• Dan then spent two months in leadership school
• Dan felt than training was boring and nothing new to him
(18:00) Training
• None of the men knew where they would be assigned after training
• Dan was training with an infantry outfit
• They trained with live bullets, crawling on the ground and someone got injured
(25:00) Japan
• Dan was shipped out from Washington on Christmas Eve
• There was horrible stormy weather and everyone got sick
• Japan smelled horrible because they used human feces as fertilizer
• Dan and others were training to replace infantry in combat
(30:30) Korea
• The Chinese and North Koreans had pushed the Americans back into South Korea
• Dan took a position on the main line of resistance
• Korea was very cold, snowy, and miserable
• More people were removed from the front lines for frost bite than those that had
been wounded
• The men had to wear the same clothes for months and eat cold food

�(36:00) Dan’s First Time on the Line: February 1953
• Dan was petrified and said that anyone who says they were not scared is lying
• There were rats everywhere
• The fighting had started in June 1950 and everything had been blown to pieces
with trees shot down everywhere
• There were patrols at night to size up the enemy
• War is like survival of the fittest
• The trenches were 9 feet deep and 20 inches wide
• Dan became very negative and thought that he would never go home because he
would die in Korea
• They slept in shifts during the day and always went on patrol at night
• Dan never understood the reasons for his orders and felt like nothing was ever
being accomplished
• The Americans had superior firepower, but were outnumbered
(47:15) Reconnaissance Missions
• The men would figure out their path with a map during the day
• They tried to figure out how many mortars or machine guns the enemy had and
where they were located
• The next day they would fire mortars on the enemy positions
(50:50) Fire Fights
• All their larger guns from the rear would bombard the enemy and then they would
attack with mortars and artillery
• They attempted to blow the enemy from their positions so they would scramble
about and be easy targets
• The Chinese would play popular American music to try to make the troops
homesick and they would also announce propaganda to try to make them
surrender
(53:40) Supplies
• Someone would stand guard while others took turns going down the mountains
• They had to carry all their supplies on their backs and travel by foot
(56:35) Sandbag Castle
• Dan spent the last 8 weeks of the war at the castle
• They had always been hearing rumors about a cease fire occurring soon
• It took place July 27, 1953
• The Americans and Koreas both had to pull back 1000 yards and abandon their
fortifications
• Dan then learned they were outnumbered 20 to 1, when they thought they were
only outnumbered 3 to 1
• They had been worried that the enemy would not honor the cease fire

�(1:00:45) Chauffer for the Commanding General
• Many people interviewed for this position, but Dan was lucky enough to land the
job
• He was then able to sleep in a tent, take showers, wear clean clothes, and eat good
and hot food
• He had been driving for reconnaissance missions
• He met Vice President Nixon several times and also while he was president
• Afterwards, Dan thought the war was a waste because we still have troops in
Korea
• Also Vietnam was a waste along with the current war in Iraq

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                    <text>Larry Philips interviewed by Eric Gollanek and Megan Stevens
July 21, 2018
EG: This is Eric Golloneck and Megan Stevens and I'm here today with say your nameLP: Larry Philips
EG: at the old schoolhouse in Douglas Michigan. on July 21, 2018. This oral history is being
collected as part of the Stories of Summer Project, which is supported in part by Grant from the
National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage program. Thank you for taking the
time to talk with me today. I'm interested to learn more about your family history and your
experiences this summer, in particular in the Saugatuck-Douglas area. Can you please tell me
your full name, Larry, and spell it?
LP: It's Larry Richard Phillips. L A R R Y R I C H A R D P H I L L I P S.
EG: Okay, very good. So, we'll start in the beginning you were talking about the old
schoolhouse and being a student here. Tell me bit about where you grew up.
LP: I grew up in Douglas [Laugh]
EG: Okay.
LP: We lived in Saugatuck with my dad who's in the service.
EG: Okay.
LP: In fact, I met my dad when I was five years old. when we went to pick him up on the bus
when he came back from World War II.
MS: Wow, that's an amazing story.
LP: And I went to the first grade over there and then we moved to Douglas and I was in the
second grade here.
EG: So, first grade in Saugatuck and then transferred if you will cross the river.
LP: The River here to Douglas, yeah.
EG: Very good. Tell me little bit about your parents and your family and maybe their names and

�what they did, what their background is with..
LP: My family… My wife's name is Carol. We've got three children. Alison, Kevin, and
Michelle. Alison lives in Hudsonville and the other two are located pretty local. They're out on
Old Allegan Road.
EG: Okay, so stayed close, family stayed close together.
LP: Yep, pretty close.
EG: Your parents, you mentioned your father was in the service in World War II. What was his
name?
LP: Henry Phillips was his name.
EG: Was he from Saugatuck originally?
LP: No, he was from Fennville.
EG: Okay. So, there's a family connection there in the area. What was his role in the second
World War?
LP: Just Infantry.
EG: Was he in Europe?
LP: Yes.
EG: Or the Pacific?
LP: Landed in Italy and walked to England.
EG: Okay.
MS: Wow.
[All Laugh]
LP: As the war moved, so. Right, yeah. He didn't really walk to England, because you have to
get across the water. [Laughs] There's some other transportation involved.

�EG: For sure, yeah. What were some of your of most vivid memories from childhood growing
up and Douglas?
LP: Vivid ones? [Laughs]
EG: Ones that stuck out, memories growing up. They could be here at school or could be off you
know in the neighborhood or off at the the beach or river, or…
LP: As a kid, I mean we probably use the athletic field down there for everything because we
played, I think, baseball, every day that it was a good day. Yeah, in the winter we always went
sledding to the golf course.
EG: Uh-huh.
LP: Had bicycles in the summer, would ride to Baldhead. We'd climb the face of Baldhead.
Can't do that anymore, but back then, you could.
[All Laugh]
EG: Uh-huh.
LP: And, yeah that's really just about it.
EG: Yeah, how about… You mentioned your father in Fennville. Your mother's family? Was
she also from Fennville?
LP: My mother's family was from Sweden. and they were in Minnesota, then they went to
Chicago, and then they bought a a farm up here and my mother graduated from this school.
EG: Okay.
LP: Oh. and my dad's mother graduated, which is my grandmother. She graduated from this
school too in eighth grade.
EG: What was your mother's name?
LP: Francis.
EG: And what was her maiden name?

�LP: Ekdahl.
EG: Can you spell that?
LP: E K D A H L. Wait a minute, it might be E C ? E C K D A H L. Boy, I've never been asked
us to for a long time.
EG: Yeah, that's a tough one to pull off, yeah.
LP: I was thinking about the family history pieces and thinking about those. My cousin Alice,
her last name was Eckdahl. She's married to John Bock, who was an ex-Fire Chief in Saugatuck.
EG: Okay.
MS: Oh, wow.
EG: A close web of connections in a small town right, or series of towns.
5:01
EG: So, deep roots here in the community, gets a little sense of how your family first came here.
Particular memories you had growing up here that you know you say that were good or bad parts
about being in town or growing up here?
LP: They were always really good because we had Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. We used at sea
scouts. I never belonged to the sea scouts.
EG: Okay.
LP: Yeah.
EG: Were there some particular activities that stand out from that for you?
LP: Just playing ball.
EG: Just playing ball. How about in the scouts?
LP: At that time there was a shuffleboard dollar tennis court.

�EG: Okay.
LP: The whole works. Plenty of things.
EG: Lots of activities down there. I know in some other interviews, baseball stood out as the
sport in town. In town, yeah, now when you… When you went to Fennville for high school did
you participate in any sports or clubs or anything?
LP: No, I couldn't because I had to ride the bus back. There was no way for me to get back.
When my parents picked me up because we only had one car, and my dad used that because he
was working.
EG: Oh.
LP: So, I couldn't get involved in sports. I would have played baseball if I would have been able
to get back and forth.
EG: What were the years, approximately, that you were in school that you were in school here in
Douglas?
LP: I think I started school here, it was either '46 or '47.
EG: Okay.
LP: And then I graduated from the eighth grade here. And then I graduated from high school in
1957, in Fennville.
EG: Right. Was there a particular reason that you went to high school in Fennville as opposed to
Saugatuck?
LP: At that time, Douglas with a separate identity.
EG: Right.
LP: Saugatuck had the high school. We weren't tied in with Saugatuck, so we could go to any
one wanted to. Then, some of the kids went to Saugatuck.
EG: Right.
LP: There was a bus that went to town for Fennville, so...

�EG: Got you, that was more convenient.
LP: There were about four or five of us that went to Fennville. Because of the bus, it was more
convenient, as opposed to Saugatuck, where you would just have to walk.
EG: Walk, right.
LP: Or get a ride or something.
EG: Yeah. Got you. Very interesting. Very much kind of a world.
LP: All of the roads are gravel except the road that come down through town. Okay, that used to
be Old 31.
EG: Right.
MS: How mock the gravel roads everywhere.
LP: All gravel.
EG: Growing up here in Douglas in particular were there, were there businesses and places or
institutions beyond the field there that you hung out or that were important for you or your
family?
LP: Well, the one restaurant that was the Soda Lounge, which is now Everyday People. I think
that's always been a restaurant in one shape or form.
EG: Okay, yeah.
LP: And the bakery.
EG: What was the Soda House like when you were growing up or a teenager?
LP: Well, you'd get an ice-cream cone for a nickel. [Laughs]
MS: That's awesome.
EG: That sounds like a good deal.

�LP: You might be allowed one of those every two weeks or so.
[All Laugh]
EG: Right, absolutely.
LP: But then, we go there in the morning when waiting for the bus because it always open it up
so could in where it was warm, which was kind of nice.
EG: For sure.
MS: Very nice.
LP: Bill Kruger was the name of the gentleman who owned it, and where he left I have no idea,
but he coached us to use one of our coaches for baseball.
EG: Okay.
MS: Oh, wow.
EG: Very nice. So, ice-cream there was this was a stand-out. Were there others?
LP: Then the Douglas Bakery was there.
EG: Particular things remember eating from or that you wanted to eat?
LP: I think that was one of my first jobs that I had. I think was eleven years old and sorted pop
bottles and beer bottles.
EG: Okay.
MS: Oh wow.
EG: Uh-huh. Very cool, very interesting, yeah. So, other work? So, thinking about summertime
is the focus of this. Other jobs that you had? It sounds like you worked there, and were there
other things you did during the summertime in terms of work?
LP: I had a ... I delivered papers at that time. I think it cost fifteen cents a week to have the paper
delivered.

�MS: Oh, that's a good deal.
[All Laugh]
LP: In the winter you had to walk it, but if I don't answer the number you could ride a bike.
EG: Right. So, daily? Daily delivery? Was it a daily paper?
LP: Yep, a daily paper.
10:00
EG: Some early mornings.
LP: Some early mornings, yeah. [Chuckles] Then I worked at Sickle's Market.
EG: And what kind work did you do?
LP: Stocking shelves and doing that.
EG: So, tell me a bit about after your graduation from high school what were your steps from
there? What did you do at that point?
LP: Well, I graduated in '57 and I went to work in 1957 in at Food Industries.
EG: Okay.
LP: I work. I worked there for.... jeez. Well, I was part of Lloyd J Harris Pie Company, but it
was called Food Industries.
EG: Okay. What… how did you… what was your entrance there? How did you get hired there?
LP: Stacking crates.
EG: Stacking crates?
LP: Of apples delivering crates of apples.
EG: Okay.

�LP: Well, not crates of apples, the crates. Loading trucks in.
EG: That was a year-round job or seasonal?
LP: The first year was seasonal because I got laid off in the summer EG: Okay.
LP: …but I had another guy who mowed yards. We had a good time doing that. So, we made it
through. It's not a bad place to be in the summer.
EG: No, it isn't.
LP: There's always, you can always find a job, if you want a job.
EG: And then from that point, what other work did you do there? Or, what was your…?
LP: I ended up... I was... The manager that was there was Joe Prentergass, and he was the one
that got us started with Lloyd J Harris. And, then, when I came back to work I took care of
Harris' house. Mowed the yard, cleaned the swimming pool that's one reason we don't have a
swimming pool, because I had my fill of cleaning those. [Laughs]
EG: That was enough of that, right?
LP: Yeah, it was the in summer. Usually had to fix crates or do something else while it was
down.
[Phone Rings]
LP: Oh, I think that's me. Whoops.
EG: That's okay.
LP: I have no idea what it is for. Soon as you touch it, it's gone.
MS: It's ended already.
EG: Not a problem, not a problem at all. Yeah. So other work that you had there with Harris?
Talk a little bit about that.

�LP: Well, yeah, then I started driving truck. okay. and hauling between here and Saugatuck. We
fixed apples, prepared apples for them to make into pies. And also went to... then we'd collect
blueberries in the summer, at the Locker Plant, because they owned that.
EG: So, lots of fruit on the move.
LP: Fruit on the move.
[All Laugh]
EG: Any questions that pop out to you there, Megan?
LP: Seems like it was 62 or 63 when they closed it. Three of us worked up in Shelby, Michigan,
and established another plant up there for doing all the fruit up there with Lloyd Harris. We'd
rode back and forth with him every day.
EG: Kind of… maybe thinking a little bit about Saugatuck and Douglas together, what were
some of your impressions of Saugatuck, as someone living in Douglas through your school years
high school years and beyond?
LP: Oh, we always hung out in Saugatuck.
EG: Okay, spent a lot of time there.
LP: We did. The Soda Lounge was there and that's where everybody congregated, and you had
all the records you listen to. You’d have to pay for it but I mean it was no big deal. Well, it was,
but…
EG: So this will be in the mid-fifties?
LP: Yeah. The big pavilion was there, you'd go there for movies. That's when you're kid. When
you got older it was a bar down there.
MS: That's right.
LP: Spent some time there as well. I guess.
EG: This is good. So yeah, what can you tell me a little bit about the Soda House, the Soda
Lounge? What kind of records were there? Were there…?

�LP: Oh, all 50s.
EG: Oh sure.
LP: Lots of R&amp;B. Galveston. Yeah, a lot of Country Western was starting to be pretty popular
back then.
EG: Are there any particular records you remember or artists you remember?
LP: Not really. [Laughs] That was a long time ago. We had a good time. Had a good time. There
you go, that's right. Of course, cars, hot rod cars were the thing back then, too.
EG: Mhm. Did you have a car?
LP: I did. I did. Yeah, when I was seventeen I bought a brand-new 1958 Chevrolet Impala.
EG: Okay.

MS: Nice.

15:04

LP: Three, 348 engine, dry car, the whole works. That was certainly a car payment. You know,
$107 a month. So, you know I had to work. [Laughs]
EG: What was the terms of that loan? Was it like two years, three years? How did that work?
LP: I remember it cost me $3400, and it weighed 3400 lbs.
EG: A dollar a pound, okay.
LP: It was $107... Yeah, that's how I remember it. The payments were...$100 I think they were
$106. That's why I had to work during the summer when we were laid off.
EG: Sure.
LP: Unemployment paid $40, but I had to pay the rest.
EG: That is a significant car payment. Were there… were their fair number of people you knew
from high school that had cars?

�LP: Oh yeah.
EG: Pretty common?
LP: Yeah, pretty common. Everybody was always wanting to race, one way or another.
EG: Yeah, that is definitely one of the themes that we're really interested in with this project,
especially during the summer. The kind of shenanigans of Saugatuck and Douglas through the
1950's and 60s. Tell me a little bit about racing, hot rod culture.
LP: Well, we used to race in Stanton Michigan. So, every weekend we probably be six or eight
of us that would drive up there. Up by Greenville. Yeah. Up by [Indistinguishable]. I think the
drag strip is still there.
EG: It still is there.
LP: It's still there. And then there was one in Indiana I can't remember the name of that one
right now.
EG: Okay.
LP: We went down there just a couple times. Yeah. We put a group of people from here that you
knew from the community would go up there to Stanton up and down Indiana.
EG: Yeah, interesting.
LP: So, this was the weekend. Usually, every weekend you were somewhere for racing.
EG: Okay, very interesting. How'd that go? [Laugh] How many did you win?
LP: I think I won two trophies.
EG: Okay.
MS: Nice.
[All Laugh]
LP: Right now, you can probably buy those trophies for three dollars, so what you had invested
it wasn't really for making the money.

�EG: Sure, sure. That's fascinating. Did you do a lot of customization or modification that you
made to your cars?
LP: Oh, yeah. Yeah, obviously, all lowered, with laid pipes on. It would come out like…
EG: Yeah. Right. I assume you drove your car, I mean...
LP: Yeah, we drove them back and forth.
EG: Yeah, that's what I meant.
LP: My friend, he had a Corvette. We towed that back with a rope, at fifty-five mile an hour too.
Oh, yeah and he would put his brakes on if he see someone trying to pull out. Because If I just
hit the brakes...
EG: Yeah, right...
Yeah right. I mean... He couldn't quite react, so it was up to him to make sure he can put the
brakes on. So, anyways, up to Stanton, I think it's 80 miles.
EG: It's a long way from here.
LP: 80-90?
EG: Yeah, it'd be a good haul.
LP: It's quite North and East in Grand Rapids. So, yeah and no highways. I mean, no 131, 196,
or any of that.
EG: How did you go up there? Did you just- did you start right away and back roads?
LP: Back roads. Yeah, back roads. That all ended when I got married, so. [Chuckles] Racing
days were over.
EG: How old were you when you got married?
LP: 20.
EG: So, a couple years.

�LP: A couple years. A couple years of having… I'm not gonna say it, good time.
EG: Yeah. How did you meet your wife?
LP: Well, that same summer that I was laid off. I worked for a gentleman who had a milk
delivery.
EG: Okay.
LP: I did the commercial runs every weekend. Well, she was from Hopkins and she was some
living with some lady in Saugatuck, and she worked at the one restaurant where I had made a
delivery and we met that way.
EG: Got you. What was the restaurant?
LP: [Sighs] Ned Roberts owned it. Portacall.
EG: Okay, very good.
LP: Boy, you're getting lucky on my memory. It's not the greatest at times It comes and goes
sometimes. It's like AM radio, fades in, fades out. [All laugh]
19:50
EG: So, racing. Did you ever race at the Air Park Speedway?
LP: No, but we went to there when I was in grade school, because a friend who announced made
the announcements while we were running and all that we'd set up there in the booth with him. It
was Thomas... We had Thomas Insurance here, if you ever heard of that.
EG: I have not, not yet.
[All Laugh]
EG: Not yet. I like that connection.
LP: Yeah, so definitely an interesting in racing and hot rods. That's where we…
EG: Was there driving around racing, racing on the streets as well in this area?

�LP: Oh, yeah. One of the cops used to watch for us help us out. So, that he knew the kids were
doing it, you know, so he would watch over you a little bit me. Try to reduce the chance of
accidents and things like that.
EG: So, get in pretty so decent relationship with the police in town.
Never a problem, yeah.
EG: Yeah. How about when, you know part of the story… kind of you know things going on
and Saugatuck and Douglas go through late 50s and 60s but running with experience with you
know biker gangs is certainly something we've read a lot about. Did have any experience?
LP: We were... I was married when we had that, because I was a fire department over in
Douglas, and they rounded up a bunch of them in right took their motorcycles away from them,
put them in jail overnight and they put everything in the fire department, so the fire departments
guys to go back release them to them and that's how they copped out is what they did. They were
done. But, the guys were decent guys that had the motorcycles, they were just partying and
having a high old time. Sometimes, it got out of control.
EG: Too many, too many drinks too many times.
LP: Too many drinks, yeah.
EG: So you had all those bikes and stuff in fire station while you were there.
LP: Yeah, that's where they put them.
EG: Anything that stands out?
LP: That's when it was underneath the Village Hall.
EG: Okay. Got you.
LP: When the Fire Department was underneath it.
EG: Yeah. Anything that stands out about that? Were they decent guys? Where are these guys
from? Where were these, if you remember? All over?
LP: All over, yeah I think this group was out of Illinois though, kinda sticks in my mind. From
the Chicago area.

�EG: Interesting.
LP: Not trying to pass it onto Illinois. [Laughs]
EG: That's a first... That stands, that jumps out to you.
LP: Yeah, it stands out. I won't say it's a fact, but that's...
EG: Right.
LP: But that was just once that that ever happened, though. But I know the town would be so
busy it would be blocked off. They just stop traffic from going in because it was no more room
for cars to park or do anything else. They just stopped it and barricaded the roads. If you grew up
around here you know how to get in without...
[All Laugh]
MS: Other ways in.
LP: Other ways, yeah. [Laughs]
EG: Knew all the back roads.
LP: Saugatuck's always been a busy, busy town.
EG: Yeah. Lots of activity. Were there, kind of switching, your experiences there. You
mentioned spending a lot of time there, hanging out in high school and teenage years and
twenties. Were there particular places that you, aside from the Soda Lounge, you mentioned bars,
as you got older, bars or restaurants...?
LP: I didn't really frequent the bars. yeah. If anything, once we' were married, we'd go to The
Butler to eat, or the Coral Gables. We didn't do that very often.
[All laugh]
EG: Not common.
LP: Not, no.

�EG: You said you had three kids?
LP: It was a real treat. Three kids.
EG: That's a handful right there
[All Laugh]
LP: You know what you had to order, you knew how much you could spend, and you knew how
many drinks you could have, because you still had to pay the babysitter when you got home, so it
was a good deal whatever you did it. Most of the time, we got together with other people that we
hang around with you know and have get togethers at their house. You know, have dinner or
something. Somebody brings this you bring that. That worked well.
MS: Nice little potluck.
EG: Do you remember some of the families that you guys used to hang out with for dinners and
things like that?
LP: Yeah. A lot of are them gone already. Shruten Gus was one of them. The Whitemans. He
was the plumber in town.
25:12
LP: Oh, golly. I know there was a lot of other people there but you most of are them all gone
now too. Oh, and then we snowmobiled too. We started the snowmobile club, The Snow Gutters.
There were some fifty some members.
EG: What year did that start, approximately? 1960s? 50s.
LP: Oh, quite early. Because I ended up I bought a used snowmobile. It was a year old it, was a
59. Then, I bought a brand-new one that was 1960.
EG: Okay. Nice.
LP: Yeah. That was out at the old airport. Okay. And then you could ride in the winter I mean
the winters were bad enough where you could just take off and ride anywhere you wanna go.
EG: Was that common in town, that people road snow machines in town, or not so much?

�LP: Well, we set up trail areas where you wanted to go into town, to any of The Butler or the
Coral Gables. You had a certain way that we put up signs for snowmobiles in town, in Douglas
also.
EG: Okay, that's great. What were those, do you remember what snowmobiles you had, the 59
and the 60?
LP: Ours were Arctic Cats. There were Arctic Cats, Polaris. I think they're both still about the
only ones going. I can try to remember some of the other names, but I can't. Johnson was making
some.
EG: Yeah, Johnson had one.
LP: Oh, there were a lot of different brands. I don't remember them anymore, I'm sorry.
EG: That's alright, I was just curious. Where did they come from? Was there a dealer? Where
did people get them?
LP: We bought the Arctic Cats in Holland, and Mercury was over across that was one of the
other brands the Mercury Motor, or Snowmobile, yeah and I was trying to think there was
another one up here next to where the Red Wood Drive-In used to be. I can't remember what
brand it was. It was pretty popular, but they would repair any snow mobiles.
EG: Right.
LP: If you had a problem with them, most of time you better do your own fixing. [Laugh]
Which is often.
EG: Often.
[All Laugh]
LP: Yeah, it was.
EG: Very cool. So, it's a winter experience there, too.
LP: Pretty fun stuff from early on.
EG: Yeah. Favorite places to go in the summertime? You mentioned Mount Baldhead and
climbing that as a kid. Oval Beach.

�LP: Yeah, Oval Beach. Douglas Beach. We didn't... We went camping once up to Holland when
the kids were little, stayed up at the State Park. Otherwise, you got you got your summer
destination right here.
EG: Okay.
LP: We had a boat.
EG: A boat as well, nice. Do you have other questions that you can think of here?
MS: Yeah, you mentioned the big pavilion and the pavilion in the movie theater. Did you go
there often or maybe just once or twice?
LP: No, it used to be every week whenever they'd change. If it was a decent movie, we went
over there to see it.
MS: Oh, nice.
LP: And we used to go to the wrestling there. okay. Oh, wrestling? Gorgeous George and all the
Flow Eagle...
[All Laugh]
LP: I can't believe they can fake stuff so well.
EG: They do a pretty good job.
LP: That was inside the big ballroom where they have the wrestling.
EG: Right.
MS: Oh wow.
EG: Other events you remember or other things, memorable things from the Big Pavilion you
remember doing there or seeing in there?
LP: They had a drive theater just half-way to Holland.
EG: Okay.

�LP: Oh yeah, so we go there for movies when the kids are little.
EG: Right.
LP: That was perfect. Yeah, quite a lot of... a lot of people did it.
30:08
EG: So, you mentioned you were in the fire department. Were you in the Fire Department when
the Pavilion caught on fire?
LP: Yes, I was because I was was one of the other firemen and we were up on top of the roof at
the El Forno.
EG: Okay.
LP: Yeah, and it got so hot, we were hiding behind where the air movement came out of the
building you know yeah. Yeah, because it was so hot. When it finally broke lose, really good,
that was a little scary.
EG: I bet.
MS: I can't imagine.
LP: Because if you look where the pavilion was right there in relationship to the El Forno. I
mean, next door.
EG: It was next door you.
LP: Oh, man, because house is on the other side burnt, one of the restaurants and then it was
three houses across the river that caught fire and burned to the ground.
EG: Okay.
MS: Oh wow.
EG: From the embers?
LP: Yeah. It was a good thing the wind was out of the direction that it was.

�EG: Right.
LP: Otherwise, it could have taken could've whole the town.
EG: Right.
MS: Oh wow.
LP: It was a huge fire.
EG: Yeah, for sure. Other parts aspects of that do you remember? How you get the call or how
you respond to that?
LP: I was working at the pie factory and somebody… They just had a bell at that time and then
finally… Well, it was Lloyd Harris himself, he came out to the dock and he says they got severe
fire going on downtown at the pavilion, so you guys can go help so I was not on the fire
department at that time.
EG: Okay, got you. They just recruited you as volunteer.
LP: Yeah, to volunteer to go down and help where you could.
EG: Yeah. When you were up at El Forno's roof, did you have water or something?
LP: Yeah, we had fire hoses.
EG: Okay, got you.
LP: Trying to keep that the roof and that wet, wetted down too, to keep that from catching fire.
EG: Yeah, quite the fire. How long did that go on? What was your term memory of that
experience there?
LP: Oh, it must have been that at least six hours and I know there was a crew that stated during
the night because it was you know, it would flash up a little bit just to maintain it, but I didn't I
didn't help. That was done they when the building finally collapsed and everything, everything
was gone anyways. It was shortly after that that I got on the fire department.
EG: Okay. That was your baptism by fire.

�LP: Right and I spent forty-some years the on fire department. okay. Between Saugatuck,
between Douglas and then when Douglas went to Saugatuck. John Black was the Chief and I
was the Assistant Chief.
EG: Yeah. Are there other big event that you remember responding to this is part of that.
LP: Oh yeah, the Tara when it burned, right next door. That was a a big fire. Yeah, there was
a couple hotels in Saugatuck that burned. Can't remember the names of them.... Mount Baldhead
Hotel, where Ship and Shore is. That burned. I can't remember the other one was in the middle,
but it was another hotel that burned to the White... The Whitehouse, I think it's called but it was
Casablanca, and blanca is Spanish for white.
EG: Right yeah, yeah. Very good. So, and then, kinda shifting back to work at the Harris Pie
Factory. Tell me about your work there in the later years, jumping forward a little bit. And, I'm
guessing, retirement?
LP: Well yeah, when Food closed finally. I went to Saugatuck and worked and drove a lift truck,
and then I got involved in maintenance. Worked my way up through there. Went to several
schools. Got knowledge of refrigeration and electrical.
EG: Okay. The whole works.
LP: So then, I got the opportunity to be head of maintenance and chief engineer for the whole
plant and anything involved.
35:13
LP: Then, well, we went through some bad times there, too. When Harris sold the business, he
sold it to Mrs. Smith Pie Company. I don't know if you've ever heard of Mrs. Smith, but they're
out east, out in Pennsylvania.
EG: Yeah.
LP: It got caught in an anti-trust suit.
EG: Okay.
MS: Oh.

�EG: What year was this?
LP: And it was that way for two years, then two guys bought it. Frank Roca and I can't
remember the name of the other, the guy’s name but they were there for the money because all
the money that had made it went into the bank in a lump sum and they paid so much for the plant
on took the money.
EG: Got you. About what year was this... Did Harris sell the plant and then the ...
LP: I think it was around… [Mutters] I want to say it was in the seventies.
EG: Okay.
LP: If I start talking about another one, I'll probably remember when the date was. But, they had
it for two years. And, then it went. They were having trough financial and a company
in Chicago took us over and they finished it up in about a year and a half or so. It had right
around 78 when it all started going bad because at '82 it was closed and two of us were retained
by the bank to keep it, so nobody would mess with it. In '82 Mrs.... or Rich Products wanted to
buy all the equipment and they came there, and they were looking at. They wanted all the
equipment and they asked me if I stay there to help him unload it and I says, "No, when that
happens, I'll be gone." They just, then they decided to buy the whole plant.
EG: Okay.
LP: When the meantime, Chef Pierre was after me to go work for them in Traverse City.
I kind of held them off because Rich Products and them both gave me an offer on the same day. I
went up there and they showed houses and everything else for us to move there.
EG: It's good to be in demand.
[All Laugh]
LP: Yeah, it was. Worked out where they both made me the same. nearly the same offer.
okay and I didn't have to move and start paying for another house. [Chuckles] So, I just
stayed, yeah. Yeah, that was in 1982, and I was assistant manager with a fellow from
Winchester, Virginia. and then he got called to another plant in Appleton and they made me
general manager. I did that for twelve years. then they got so busy that they didn't want to build
any more in the town. The town really wasn't real good favor about adding more industrial area
to it because it's a resort town, so.

�EG: Right. In this specific location, probably, too.
LP: Right.
EG: It's right there, right on your way in and out of town.
LP: Right, yep. So, they just turned it over to Sarah Lee, the business and then we shut the whole
plant down and stripped it I'm trying to remember the fellows that bought it. Anyway, the Fruit
Exchange. The office building used to be the old Saugatuck Fruit Exchange, the one on the south
side of Culvers Street, where it's a park now.
EG: Yeah.
LP: That had I big building in there. It might be one of those pictures in there of that, I don't
know.
EG: Okay, we will have to look. So, this would have been the early 1990s?
LP: No, it was in 1998, when that happened.
EG: Okay.
LP: That's when we closed it, when we were done with it.
EG: Got you.
LP: And then, I worked for Rich Products, going around to different plants, helping them on
different items and I did that for two years and then a friend of mine. I went to work for him in
Grand Rapids for two years and retired.
40:01
LP: Excuse me a minute, I don't...
EG: No, that's okay.
LP: It was the wife. My daughter and all of them are in Hawaii.
EG: Very nice.

�MS: A good place to be.
LP: I don't know why you'd travel anywhere else when right here, you've got everything you
need here, beach wise.
EG: Changes that you've of kind of, reflecting over changes seen you in Saugatuck and
Douglas? What are some things that have changed the most from your childhood to now?
LP: Well, we used to…. The Butler, we went there last night. We still do, but you don't know
anybody any more in there. Used to be our town, you know, and now it's the younger, a different
group that is in there.
And we belong to the Singapore Yacht Club, because we were there for 12 years with a boat, and
then we bought a motor home and did that for about ten years and now we got a fifth-wheel that
we bought, and sat a lot in Florida, and we go down there in winter.
MS: Escape some of the cold.
LP: For a while. Escape some of the cold.
EG: How long do you go down there?
LP: For three months three and a half.
EG: Other changes that you've seen for the good or for the bad?
LP: I think everything is more or less been for the good. I'm not so fond of the highway out here.
EG: More and more traffic.
LP: More and more traffic, yeah. It's not made where. I mean you pull of of Douglas and you
almost swiped my car and it's getting there for a left and turn and if a truck comes, they almost
have to go over to that. And then, you see the bicycles riding down the highway.
EG: Yeah. Quite the mix.
LP: Yeah.
[All Laugh]

�LP: That was the only place where it was wide enough where they didn't have to use the
highway really if they didn't need to. So, I... well… maybe they say it helps Douglas. I don't
know if it does or doesn't, but it's there.
EG: Way too soon to tell.
LP: Yeah.
EG: Looking ahead, kind of thinking about you know, this interview will be saved for a long
time. So, when someone listens to this tape fifty years from now, imagine that, what would you
like to know about your life and the community right now?
LP: I enjoyed both communities.
EG: Of Saugatuck and Douglas.
LP: [Laughs] Of Saugatuck and Douglas, but I'm still partial to Douglas. [Laughs] No, I think
it's a great area really.
EG: In particular things you described for some future listeners that we don't know who that
moment might be like?
LP: Yeah, would be interested in another fifty years. Didn't change much over in the last fifty
really. I mean the buildings got renewed or something like that you know.
EG: It's still recognizable place from your child as a resort community a small town small.
LP: Yeah, small town, and you know, yeah.
EG: Any advice for a young person that might listen to this tape?
LP: I think it's more of a retirement area, as to find a job in town and live here is kind of tough
now.
EG: Yeah.
LP: When we were younger it wasn't. I mean, we had grocery stores, so you were here all the
time. Well, they still have the grocery store. More work.
EG: More year-round work.

�LP: Yeah, more year-round work. More diversity of work. It's kind of nice for the younger
people. They've got a lot of different places that they can work. My daughter she works is
waitress at The Butler. I think she's the oldest one her been there the longest. Not the oldest but
been there the longest.
EG: Very good.
LP: Fifty years, that's an interesting, I've got to do some more thinking on that one, you know.
EG: Right.
LP: I don't know much more can it change.
MS: Yeah.
44:59
EG: Tough to say. I guess another way to look at is what you imagined your life would be like,
when you're in the school building, looking forward imagining fifty years down the road Is
Saugatuck and Douglas pretty much how you expected?
LP: Course it changes.
[Phone Rings]
EG: You're in demand.
MS: That's a fun tune.
LP: Somebody trying to save interest on your credit card. I don't know if you get those calls.
EG: Yeah, we do. [All Chuckle]
LP: It drives me nuts. Where were we? [All Laugh]
EG: I guess another way to say it did you imagine when you were a kid that you would stay here
in Douglas?

�LP: Yeah, I kind of did, because there was always work and it was busy, you know. Of course,
we had the company here so that employed quite a few people, really.
EG: Right, for sure. Any other questions that you have on your mind there, Megan?
LP: No, not really. Not at the moment.
EG: Anything else we didn't ask about that you want to share?
LP: Not really. Other than food industries, there was the Morgan Ice Company. It was bought,
but you probably know that.
LP: In that hall, we used to play basketball over there when we were here in school. It used to be
that the Douglas ACs owned it. I don't know what it was originally made for. I never inquired.
EG: I don't know off-hand myself.
LP: Somebody said it was a church at some time.
EG: Yeah, I think that's accurate.
MS: Yeah. The Library? Yeah, I think it was a church, and then....
LP: I don't ever remember it being as a church when I was going to school here. right. I know
the athletic office was active there. Yeah, they had all their weightlifting and all that stuff in the
basement. That was quite popular back then, too, with baseball teams Fast pitch for men. That's
kind of disappeared now. But, a lot of the guys here played it. I didn't, I didn't care for softball.
The library tore down the house we lived in for two years right after we were married.
[All Chuckle]
EG: Bit of a loss.
LP: A bit of a loss, yeah. Some things have come and gone. But the town is still advancing,
though. Some beautiful homes go up. Lake Shore, there are some nice ones out there. [Chuckles]
It is a retirement area, really, when you stop and look at it. Other than what kind of labor you call
it that work for the waitresses, the stores.
EG: The service industry.

�LP: Yeah, service. That's what I'm trying to think of, service industry. There are no major
companies around, like there used to be so. Holland is a place where you go to work.
EG: Oh, very good. Unless we have any other questions or comments, I'm going to thank you.
Thank you so much for your time.
LP: Thank you for having me.
EG: For sharing your memories here.
LP: I wish I could remember more. I'll probably think about a bunch of them.
EG: We can always do a part two. If you think of some good stories, let us know.
LP: If there's something you need.
MS: We can always come back.
LP: Well, I was on the fire department so that was always involved. Then, I was on the city
board here. Did that. It was active, it was the job that held me here, so I stayed.
EG: And it’s a long continuity, it sounds like. You've had a long time of being here to
understand how things work.
LP: What doesn't work.
EG: What doesn't work, yeah.
LP: Yeah, all towns have the same problems. I think. Roads and everything else.
EG: Well, very good.
LP: I enjoyed the area. I love the area.
EG: Very good. We appreciate you sharing all that of and with that. I'm going go ahead and I'll
stop the recording here, and this concludes our interview today. Thank you.

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Veteran’s History Project
Gregory Phillips
Vietnam War
1 hour 9 minutes 21 seconds
(00:00:18) Early Life
-Born in Birmingham, Alabama, on August 22, 1948
-Grew up in the area
-Attended the University of Alabama
-Studied political science
-Graduated in early 1969
(00:01:00) Getting Drafted &amp; Basic Training
-Drafted after he graduated from college
-Reported for duty on July 16, 1969
-Received his basic training at Fort Benning, Georgia
-Eligible for officer training (since he had a college degree)
-Didn’t interest him; he wanted to get out of the Army as soon as possible and alive
-Older than most of the recruits
-Majority of recruits were 18 or 19 years old and he was 21 years old
-It was a culture shock for him, especially with the drill sergeants screaming obscenities at him
-He was a little overweight, so drill sergeants focused on him
-Didn’t stop him from completing basic training
-Discipline wasn’t a problem for him
-Lasted nine weeks
-First week spent at the induction center getting processed due to the Moon landing
-Next eight weeks consisted of training
-Most drill sergeants had served in Vietnam, and all of them were career soldiers
(00:04:08) Advanced Infantry Training
- 2/3 of his training company was sent to Fort Polk, Louisiana, for advanced infantry training
-Fort Polk was a primitive base
-Buildings had been built during World War II, had scorpions, and wild boars
-Eight weeks of intense training
-Some training was geared towards fighting in Vietnam, but most of it focused on conventional warfare
-Did an “escape and evasion” course
-Learning how to avoid capture and how to endure being a prisoner-of-war
-Had non-commissioned officers (sergeants) training them
-Some of them were younger than him, and most were new sergeants with no experience
-They were nice men, at least
(00:06:48) Deployment to Vietnam
-He got two weeks of leave after completing advanced infantry training
-On December 10 (or 11), 1969, he left for Vietnam
-Flew from Birmingham to Los Angeles to Fort Lewis (near Seattle, Washington)
-Stayed at Fort Lewis for two or three days
-Flew from Fort Lewis to Alaska to Cam Ranh Bay, South Vietnam
-Flew there via Flying Tigers Airlines
-Landed during the day and it was hot
-Boarded buses with wire on the windows to keep out grenades

�-Sent to an induction center for processing
(00:08:21) Service with 1st Infantry Division
-His first assignment was with the 1st Infantry Division at Lai Khe
-Served with them for two months
-He served in the Color Guard
-Responsible for “casing” (or retiring) units’ colors that returned to the United States
-Spending his first two months with the 1st Infantry Division was excellent training
-Taught him the skills that helped him survive with the 101st Airborne Division
-Got into occasional skirmishes
-Usually 20 – 25 American soldiers against 2 or 3 North Vietnamese soldiers
-He watched the experienced soldiers to learn how they acted in combat
-Discovered a few bunker complexes
-Told to do as he saw, and don’t talk
-Gave him more discipline
-He served as the radio-telephone operator with the 2nd Battalion of the 28th Infantry Regiment
-Operated in triple-canopy jungle
-No contact with civilians unless they passed through a village
-Joined 2nd Battalion (mechanized) of the 2nd Infantry Regiment
-Had armored personnel carriers for travel and combat
-Easier than walking, but lost the element of surprise
-Saw no combat with them
-Spent six weeks with that unit
-Saw an old man walking around in the middle of nowhere, so they brought him back to base
-Suspicious, but not an immediate or apparent threat
(00:15:40) Morale in the 1st Infantry Division
-Most of the men had a bad attitude because they had been drafted
-Focused on survival, not heroism
(00:16:18) Transfer to 101st Airborne Division
-Reassigned to the 101st Airborne Division at Phu Bai
-Passed through Long Binh during the reassignment process
-Stayed there for five days
-Took a C-130 cargo plane up to Phu Bai
-Went through SERTS (Screaming Eagle Replacement Training School)
-Learned how to rappel and go on long marches
-Some replacements had experience while others were brand new soldiers from the States
-Most of it seemed pointless to him, especially the rappelling
-Joined Delta Company of the 1st Battalion of the 506th Infantry Regiment
-1st sergeant asked him which platoon he wanted to join
-Joined his unit on March 1, 1970
-Commander of Delta was Patrick Skinner
-Nice, relaxed man
-Flown by Chinook helicopter to the field to join his unit for maneuvers
-Joined the 2nd platoon in the field
(00:20:13) First Major Enemy Contact
-One week later he saw his first major combat action
-They set up a night defensive position
-Operating in “I Corps” (military district in South Vietnam in the mountains)
-At midnight he heard 25 or 30 explosions at 1st platoon’s position
-2nd platoon moved to their position to assess the damage

�-Skinner had been knocked unconscious, and several soldiers sustained critical wounds
-He and the other men built stretchers to carry the wounded
-Waited two hours for a helicopter to evacuate the wounded
-The enemy knew the company commander was at the position they attacked
-One of the wounded men ultimately died from shock
-They had most likely been attacked by sappers
-Small teams of North Vietnamese soldiers that hit and ran with satchel charges (explosives)
-They weren’t able to catch the sappers
-Left the area too fast, and the American soldiers focused on securing the perimeter
-A couple nights later they got hit again, and that time it was his platoon
-Taken to Camp Evans to regroup and recover
-He had taken a small piece of shrapnel in his eye during that fight
-Awarded the Purple Heart for his wound
-Brought in replacements to account for the severely wounded and the dead
-Spent one night at Camp Evans
(00:27:17) Firebase Ripcord Campaign – Entering the Area
-Flown to Firebase Rakkasan with a new company commander
-Before leaving Firebase Rakkasan on May 5, artillery hit the landing zone to prepare their assault
-Flew out to Firebase Maureen, an abandoned base in the A Shau Valley
-It was a hot landing, because the artillery had been fired at the wrong coordinates
-Landed in the midst of a thousand North Vietnamese troops
-They fired tear gas at the firebase to hamper the American troops
-A long firefight ensued with the North Vietnamese until they retreated
(00:31:22) Firebase Ripcord Campaign – Operating out of Firebase Maureen
-Conducted patrols in the area around Firebase Maureen
-Someone spotted an enemy soldier with red hair
-Unless it was a genetic anomaly, then it was probably a Soviet adviser
-Remembers making camp to the west of Maureen and seeing mountains on the Laotian border
-On May 6, his platoon moved to the south of Maureen
-North Vietnamese soldiers ambushed them and wounded two men
-Continued moving through an abandoned bunker complex area
-North Vietnamese opened fire from an embedded machine gun position
-Called in air support and a jet dropped a 500 pound bomb on that enemy position
-No effect; North Vietnamese still kept firing
-After the failed bombing run, his platoon decided to fall back to Maureen to get resupplied
(00:34:56) Firebase Ripcord Campaign – Battle of Firebase Maureen
-2nd platoon went to Firebase Maureen and established a perimeter
-Two-man positions around the base
-Set out anti-personnel mines
-Some men dug foxholes while other men used existing bunkers
-Dusk on May 6th when they established their positions at Maureen
-At 4 a.m., on May 7, North Vietnamese forces attacked Firebase Maureen
-Platoon leader got killed first
-North Vietnamese attacked with satchel charges and small-arms fire
-Killed seven men on the west side of the perimeter in the initial assault
-Multiple wounded
-Gregory set off his mines to hinder the enemy attack
-Platoon sergeant fell back to the center of the perimeter with a radio to call in reinforcements
-The platoon sergeant ordered Gregory to help another soldier on the west perimeter

�-He ran to that position and fought from there for 2 ½ of 3 hours
-During the battle he was wounded six times, but never stopped fighting
-North Vietnamese continued to throw satchel charges at the perimeter
-One landed two or three feet away from him, but it was a dud
-They threw out flares to guide the helicopters
-During the battle he was about 25 yards away from the platoon sergeant (small perimeter)
-Armed with an M79 grenade launcher and a pistol for the duration of the battle
-Shrapnel from an RPG hit him in the back of the head
-North Vietnamese closed to within 15 feet of his position
-He shot a grenade at one enemy soldier and the force crushed the man’s skull
-Fired a canister round (similar to a shotgun round) at another enemy soldier
-Enough force to lift him up ten feet and throw him down the hill
-He took his friend’s rifle and charged down the hill to engage the North Vietnamese
-At this point he was shot in the side
-Doesn’t remember if he turned around killed the shooter, or someone else did
-The North Vietnamese fell back once 1st platoon arrived at Maureen
-He was treated and stabilized long enough to be evacuated via helicopter
-Gregory didn’t tell anyone about his experience at Firebase Maureen for over 20 years
(00:49:10) Reunions Pt. 1
-In the early 1990s he started talking about his experience in Vietnam
-On Veterans’ Day he wore his Purple Heart ribbon on his shirt
-Someone made a positive comment about it
-Led to his decision to start talking about his time in the war
-Got involved with the 506th Infantry Regiment Reunion group, Currahee
-The writer, Randy Mills, reached out to Gregory to give his perspective of the battle at FSB Maureen
-Gregory remembered the most out of all the men
-Mills wrote, Troubled Hero: A Medal of Honor, Vietnam, and the War at Home (2006)
-About Medal of Honor recipient Kenneth Hays and the battle of FSB Maureen
(00:51:18) Recovery &amp; Coming Home
-First sent to the Camp Evan’s infirmary
-1 – 1 ½ hours later he was sent to the hospital in Phu Bai for surgery
-Stayed there for one week
-Sent to Cam Ranh Bay to being the process of returning to the United States
-Didn’t realize the severity of his wound until he learned he would return to the US
-Sent to Japan for one week of surgery and recovery
-Returned to Fort Rutger, Alabama to complete his recovery
-Spent three months there recovering and working as a hospital orderly
(00:54:23) End of Service
-For the last ten months of his service he was assigned to Fort Hood, Texas
-Assigned to be a tank commander
-He knew nothing about tanks
-Made a tank instructor
-Did his job as best as he could despite not being a tank soldier
-Participated in secret weapons training
-Wife lived with him at Fort Hood until she got pregnant
-Returned to Alabama and gave birth to their child there
-Working at Fort Hood was like having a civilian day job
-No anti-war activity other than Jane Fonda trying to get on the base to protest the Vietnam War

�(00:56:55) Drug Use in Vietnam
-There was a fair amount of drug use on bases in Vietnam
-His first exposure to marijuana was in Vietnam
-Men in rear positions were most likely to abuse it
-Had down time and it was readily available
-He never saw anybody using hard drugs like heroin
-Some of the officers smoked pot with the enlisted men
-He didn’t appreciate that since they were supposed to be leaders
-North Vietnamese smoked pot to get the courage to attack
-Never saw men smoke in the field
(00:59:05) Life after the War
-He had studied to be a teacher, but lacked the patience
-Got a job in sales with a food distribution company based in Ohio
-Worked for them for ten years
-Only way to move up in the company would have been to go to Chicago or Ohio
-Didn’t want to do that, so he quit
-Returned to Birmingham and started his own food business
-Had that business for 15 years
(01:00:50) Reunions Pt. 2
-He joined the 506th Infantry Regiment Association
-Given a roster of the names of the men that served in the 506th in Vietnam
-He was able to make contact his old friend, Dick Doyle
-This led to him talking to Randy Mills about his book
-Contacted his platoon sergeant, man he fought alongside at Maureen
-Which in turn led to contacting other men from 2nd platoon
-Gregory is one of a group of men in 2nd platoon awarded for their actions at Firebase Maureen
-He received the Silver Star for his actions
-Another man received the Distinguished Service Cross
-Kenneth Hays received the Congressional Medal of Honor
-One man received the Bronze Star for Valor
-Has attended Ripcord Reunions to see the other men of D Company
-Although he didn’t fight at the battle of Firebase Ripcord, he fought in that campaign
-In 2009 he went to his former platoon sergeant’s hometown for a smaller reunion
(01:07:55) Reflections on Service
-It was a maturing experience
-Allowed him to be a district manager at 25 years old in charge of men double his age
-Taught him that he could live with less and be alright
-Little food and water, sleeping outside, and being in combat
-Able to endure more than civilians that haven’t seen combat
-He wouldn’t repeat his experience, but he appreciated it

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Length: 13:56
Randolph Elbert Phillips Jr.
Vietnam Veteran
United States Navy, February 1963 to August 1968
A-Branch
(00:26) Pre-enlistment/Family:
• Due to poor grades in college he joined the Navy
• Joined Navy because it had better standards of living during the war
• His Uncle’s Navy experience influenced his decision
• His father had retired from the Army, and his uncle had retied from the Navy as an
Admiral
• He had another uncle who had been in the Korean War
• His father had served in WWII (landed during D-day), the Korean War, and Vietnam
before retiring
• Father is buried at Arlington
(1:43) Enlistment:
• He was a communication technician (A branch)
• Ended with the rank of Petty Officer 2nd class
• Had a category 3 security clearance
• His job was classified
• He went to Yeoman A school, Instructor school, and Leadership school
• Stationed in Hawaii for a year and 10 months
• Stationed at US Naval Reserve Training Center in Jersey City for 3 years
• Learned to instruct reservists during his time their
(3:25) Free Time/Friends:
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• He had multiple friends who were married, and when holidays came around he would
visit them
• In general people in the service did not celebrate holidays that much because they were
away from their families
• Made many good friends during his enlistment and is still close with buddy from the
Reserve Center in Jersey City
(5:50) After Enlistment:
• Went back to same University he had been at before the war, and finished his degree
• Went on to be a Sales Representative for a few different companies
(6:37) Lessons Learned:
• The main lesson he learned in the military was how to be disciplined

�• Some were forced to go into the service just so they would learn some discipline
• Learned that life was not all fun and games
• When he went back to college (1968-71) his experience in the military helped him
understand the importance of education
(9:01) Vietnam Memorial:
• Many veterans were affected by the war, and the wall brings back a lot of those
memorizes
• It make him remember the three classmates who lost their lives during Vietnam
(10:23) Soldiers Coming Home (then and now):
• When they came home they were spit on and called baby killers
• The Veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq are treated with more respect
• Veterans from Vietnam were impacted deeply by the way they were treated when they
came home
• Veterans, when asked about their combat experience, are very reluctant to talk about their
experience in Vietnam
• His veteran friends only talk about the humorous experiences, but not much else

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William Phillips
Length: 57:45
(00:15) Background Information
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William was born in Flint, Michigan and graduated from high school in 1936
His father was an insurance agent and able to keep his job during the Depression
William stopped by a recruiting station and was told he was likely going to be drafted in
the future so he should enlist now so that he would have a say in what he would be doing
William enlisted in the Army Air Corps in April of 1941

(5:35) Training
 William was sent to Chanute Air Field in Illinois
 He worked on KP for a week and then began taking airplane mechanics classes
 William never went through any actual physical training, but only took classes
 William graduated from airplane mechanic school and was then sent to a hotel near the
beach in Miami
 They did not yet have any planes to work on so William worked in the mess hall for 6
months
 He was cooking for men in Officer Candidate School
 William was finally sent to Miami Airport to work on single engine trainers
(11:45) Advanced Training
 William was then sent to Kessler Air Field in Mississippi for crew training with B-24s
 They were not actually doing any hands on work, but just taking classes learning the
systems of the schools
 William spent 6 months at the Field and had some time off on the weekends to go to the
bar
 He was later sent to Santa Ana, California for Air Corps Cadet basic training
 William also went to Arizona for primary flight training, working with B-22s
 William did very well in training and enjoyed flying
 He also went through basic training with Stearmans, but washed out
 He thinks that probably saved his life because he would have been in class 43G, which
had a +70% mortality rate over Germany
(19:25) Gunnery School
 William later went to a gunnery school and after passing the classes volunteered for
permanent party to help run the base

�


He was in Utah working with shot guns, hand guns, rifles, skeet, and machine guns
They first started on the less complicated guns and later began working with moving
targets

(22:50) Idaho
 William was transferred to a field in Idaho for crew training
 He became an instructor and was training gunners with B-24s
 William was in Idaho for about 7 months in 1944 and like living there; he made many
good friends
 While working there he helped build an underground gunnery range
(27:00) Training for Overseas
 William was sent back to Kessler field for crew training with B-17s
 They began flying as a crew and William was assigned as a gunner
 They trained for 4 months and were then sent to Savannah, Georgia to receive their own
plane
 Then they were sent back to California, flew to Hawaii, Christmas Island, and then Biak
(31:05) Biak
 They stayed in Biak for one month just waiting around because a general needed to use
their plane
 It was a rustic camp on a very large base with many people
 They finally got their plane back and then moved to Puerto Princesa Bay where they
began working with the 2nd Emergency Rescue Squadron
 William figured that he would be going home after the bombs were dropped on Japan
 Everyone was very happy and not really expecting to be part of the Japanese invasion
(38:00) Sent back to the US
 William took a ship back to the US instead of flying and the trip took 25 days
 He would have rather flown; there were very rough seas and it felt like the ship was
falling apart
 There were about 3,000 men on the ship, while most of them were sick below deck
 The weather got better as they got closer to the United States and they landed in San
Francisco
 William took a train to Chicago to be discharged and then took another train back to Flint
(40:25) After Service
 William began working at his old job with AC Spark Plug, but did not enjoy his job
 He then began working with his father’s insurance business

�

William and his brother bought their father’s business in 1955 and William continued
working there until 1990

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Veterans History Project Interview
Name of Interviewee: Lavont Pickens
Name of War: World War II
Length of Interview: (00:52:58)
(00:35) Background Information
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Lavont was born in Mosley, Michigan

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His father owned a creamery and his mother was a telephone operator

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Lavont went to high school in Hart, Michigan

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After graduating from high school Lavont worked as an operator at a power plant, which
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Lavont felt bad about being deferred while all of his friends were being drafted

(4:05) Europe
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Lavont had enlisted in the Army and became part of the 94th Infantry Division as a
rifleman

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It took them 14 days to cross the Atlantic and they had a few U Boat scares

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The ship landed in La Havre and they then traveled into Metz to serve as replacements

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The men moved into Germany near the Mosel River under the direction of General
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Lavont was hit in the lag with shrapnel while in Germany by a nearby land mine

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Some other men were also hurt by the land mine and they all had to help each other make
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They were later brought to a hospital in Luxembourg in an ambulance

(12:30) North Germany
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He worked with L Company trading shifts with I Company

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Many of the men had to leave for the hospital because they had frostbite in both feet

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They traveled through Belgium and then back into North Germany

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They found some slave labor camps in North Germany that were mostly filled with
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Lavont was in charge of about 50 Russians from the old camp, making sure they received
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They later had to located where the Russians were from through an interpreter and send
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(23:05) Czechoslovakia
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Lavont traveled from Germany into Czechoslovakia

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Their squad set up camp in a small farming community once they had passed a few larger
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There was guard detail on the outskirts of the community 24/7 to keep the Russians from
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They never saw any Russians, but knew they were hiding out in the woods

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Most of the Czechoslovakians would not eat any of the food the American men gave
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(28:20) Battle of the Bulge
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Lavont had a friend that had suffered some mental problems after being shot in the head

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The man broke into an abandoned house and found an old German uniform

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He put it on and began parading around through the streets

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Lavont was very lucky and did not get hurt at all while fighting in the Battle of the Bulge

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They moved on from Belgium to Germany and fought on the front lines

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All the German artillery were 88mm, even their anti-aircraft

(38:15)Belgium
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In Belgium the German soldiers would take the uniforms off of British soldiers

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Most of the Germans spoke English and there would be whole companies of them posing
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(41:10) After the War
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Lavont had gotten married before enlisting and his wife had worked in a grocery store
while he was gone

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They also had a young daughter that his wife took care of while working

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Lavont continued to write letters to many of his friends in the service after the war

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He is now retired and living in the Grand Rapids Home for Veterans

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Veterans History Project Interview Notes
Length: 13:56
Randolph Elbert Phillips Jr.
Vietnam Veteran
United States Navy, February 1963 to August 1968
A-Branch
(00:26) Pre-enlistment/Family:
• Due to poor grades in college he joined the Navy
• Joined Navy because it had better standards of living during the war
• His Uncle’s Navy experience influenced his decision
• His father had retired from the Army, and his uncle had retied from the Navy as an
Admiral
• He had another uncle who had been in the Korean War
• His father had served in WWII (landed during D-day), the Korean War, and Vietnam
before retiring
• Father is buried at Arlington
(1:43) Enlistment:
• He was a communication technician (A branch)
• Ended with the rank of Petty Officer 2nd class
• Had a category 3 security clearance
• His job was classified
• He went to Yeoman A school, Instructor school, and Leadership school
• Stationed in Hawaii for a year and 10 months
• Stationed at US Naval Reserve Training Center in Jersey City for 3 years
• Learned to instruct reservists during his time their
(3:25) Free Time/Friends:
• In Hawaii they would go to the beach to surf and pick up girls
• He had multiple friends who were married, and when holidays came around he would
visit them
• In general people in the service did not celebrate holidays that much because they were
away from their families
• Made many good friends during his enlistment and is still close with buddy from the
Reserve Center in Jersey City
(5:50) After Enlistment:
• Went back to same University he had been at before the war, and finished his degree
• Went on to be a Sales Representative for a few different companies
(6:37) Lessons Learned:
• The main lesson he learned in the military was how to be disciplined

�• Some were forced to go into the service just so they would learn some discipline
• Learned that life was not all fun and games
• When he went back to college (1968-71) his experience in the military helped him
understand the importance of education
(9:01) Vietnam Memorial:
• Many veterans were affected by the war, and the wall brings back a lot of those
memorizes
• It make him remember the three classmates who lost their lives during Vietnam
(10:23) Soldiers Coming Home (then and now):
• When they came home they were spit on and called baby killers
• The Veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq are treated with more respect
• Veterans from Vietnam were impacted deeply by the way they were treated when they
came home
• Veterans, when asked about their combat experience, are very reluctant to talk about their
experience in Vietnam
• His veteran friends only talk about the humorous experiences, but not much else

�HISTORY OF THE

1252ND ENGINEER COMBAT

BATTALION

APRIL 1944 TO SEPTEMBER 1945


BJ "JIM" MURRAY


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Diary of Buford James Murray
(Jimmy or Jim) "B" Company _
Travelogue of "C" Company
CITATION - Attack of Siegfried Line
Unit Awarded 3 Battle Stars
Ardennes

Rhineland

Central Europe

Traveled In:

America
England
France
Luxemburg

Belgium

Germany

Austria

Czech


�HEADQUARTERS COMBAT COMMAND "A"
6th Armored Division
APO	 256, U S Army
26 February 1945
SUBJECT: Commendation 1252d Engineer Combat Battalion
TO

Commanding Officer, 1252d Engineer Combat Battalion

1. During the period 8 F2bruary to 24 February 1945,

while serving as a part of Combat Command "A", 6th Armored

Division, the 1252d Engineer Combat Battalion demonstrated

in all its actions a high degree of efficiency and aggress­
,ivness.	 Although much of its work consisted of other than
engineering work, it acquitted itself with credit in all
its activities.
2. Various tasks that it was called upon to perform

during this period were as follows:

a. Preparing defensive positions along the sky

line drive in Luxembourg.

b. Aggressive patroling against active enemy

resistance.

c. Participating in a feint by fire against the

::; iegfried Line.

d. Repairing broken roads~and filling craters.
e. Building a 100-foot foot bridge across the

Our River.

f. Attacking the pillboxes of the Siegfried Line

in the role of infantry supported by tanks.

3. The spirit and basic training of this battalion

enabled it to successfully perform all of these tasks. Its

engineer work was efficiently and skillfully done. Its

patroling was alert and aggressive and of great value in

developing and clarifying an obscure situation. Its attack

displayed energy and determination. As tangible evidence

of this, its record shows participation in the capture of

73 pillboxes of the Siegfried Line.

4. It is desired to commend the officers and men

of this battalion for its service while a part of this

command.


lsi	 John L. Hines Jr.
It I	 JOHN L. HINES JR
Col, Calv
Cmg

�1st Ind.
HEADQUARTERS 6th ARMORED DIVISION, Office of the Commanding
General, APO 256, U S Army, 6 March 1945.
To:

Commanding Officer, 1252d Engineer Combat Battalion.

1. I fully concur in this basic letter and add my
appreciation for the cooperation extended by yourself, your
officers and your men.

lsI	 George

J Read Jr

It I	 GEORGE J READ JR
Brigadier General
Commanding

2nd	 Ind
HQ,	 1252d ENGR C BN, APO 403, U S ARMY, 11 March 1945.
TO:	 All Companies, 1252d

En~ineer

Combat Battalion, APO 403

1. Basic letter and indorsement will be read to all
men at the first formation.
2. The Battalion's firstldfficial commendation was
received with gratification and pride. I want to thank each
officer and man for the part they played in their assigned tasks

lsI	 James E Linden
It I	 JAMES E LINDEN
Major
Commanding

CE

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�I

TRAVELOGUE OF 1252d ENGR C BN, CO "c"

21

Oct
Oct
Oct

3

Oct
Nov

29
31

Dec
Dec

1

10

Jan
Jan

11

Jan

16

Jan

18
22

Jan'
Jan

7

Fel)

8

Feb

9

Feb

10

Feb

13

Feb

2

16

Feb
20

Feb

22

Feb

23

Feb

24

Feb

27

Feb

7

Mar

10

Mar

14

Mar

24

Mar

1944 Left Camp SWift, Texas-Chauncey (the dog), stayed behind.
1944 Arrived at Camp Kilmer, N,J.-Overseas physical-short arm.
1944 Left Camp Kilmer for embarkation at New York-The right cadence in bo~
a train.
1944 Shipped from New York on Tamaroa-48-49-50 •••••
1944 Disembarked at Avonmouth, F.ngland, arrived via rail at Torquay, Engla
"Any gum chum?" "C4-II1P SI-J.IPL.f:Y II
1944 Embarked for France from Southharnpton on the Sobienski-Hit that PX Ii
1944 Disembarked at Le Havre, France-How to celebrate New Years Eve: full ­
hoof 10 miles uphill. pitch tents on the cold, cold ground.
1945 Arrived at Forges Des Eoux, Apple Orchard-Camp Cowmanure.
1945 Left Fc:-ges Dt's Eoux via ('onvoy and 40 &amp; 8- "One minute to gol"-Staffc
took a GI.
1945 Arrived at Enghien Les Bains, 8 kilometers from Paris-The Casino-What
happened to the heat?
,1~45 Departed Enghien Les Bains for the front-More 40 &amp; 8-"We' re going to b
Patton's spearhead." (Remember)
1945 Arrived at Biwer, Luxembourg-Technic of building a stove from a cream ,
1945 Left Biwer and arrived at Niederdoniven, Luxembourg (Infantry outpost
duty)-lO,OOO gallons of wine-Snowghost-The cats ate the Heinies in Abn.
1945 Left Niederdoniven and arrived at Oberdoniven, Luxembourg, Patton came.
Bowen shaved.
1945 Left Oberdoniven-The night was wet and stormy, the road was dark and
dreary, and the l252d was lost again.
1945 Arrived at Eschweiler, Luxembourg-Straw on the school house floor, if y
could find the straw.
1945 Left Eschweiler, arrived in Consthum, Luxembourg (Outpost duty and road­
work)-God and the Infantry ga~e Evans to the Radio Section.
1,45 Left Consthum and arr tved 1':1 Walhausen, Luxembourg (Outpost duty)-"The
tank blew all to hell."
1945 Left Walhausen and returned to Consthum (Outpost duty and roadwork)-The
messhall was in the dairy.
1945 '. Left Consthum and arrived in Marnach, Luxembourg (Preparation for breach
ing Siegfried Line)-Newest frills in storming a pillbox-Willmore's head
kaputted Gura1l's jeep.
1945 Took part in breaching operation against Siegfried Line, crossed Our
River at Dasburg, Germany, advanced to Pruscheid, Germany-The Colonel
commended Singer and Bowen on their looting ability.
1945 Advance reaches Sevnig, Germany (Third Platoon cleared the town)-You don'
have a saddle when you ride a tank.
1945 Left Pruscheid, Germany, returned again to Consthum, Luxembourg-The
duffle bags were all fouled up.
1945 Left Donsthum, arrived at Neundorf, Belgium, near St. Vith-(Cordurory
roadwork)-Knee deep in mud and a manure pile before every door.
1945 Left Neundorf, arrived in Mutzenich, Germany, There's nothing like a Tell
Mine to reduce the waistline.
1945 Left Mut~enich, arrived in Scheidt Germany (Roadwork),' Dragon's Teeth
and the Siegfried Line-The machine guns still were loaded-Welch killed
by AP mine.
Left
Scheid, arrived in Mullenbach, Germany (Roadwork) Ruskis, Polskis
1945
and French by the hundreds; PW's by the thousands-the first bathtub
in Germany.
1945 Left Mullenbach, arrived in Budenbach. Germany (Preparations for Rhine
crosslng)-Con~unications set up ten ton Heinie switchboard.

�Mar

1945

Mar

'1945

2

Apr

1945

10

Apr

1945


15

Apr

1945


17

Apr

1945

22

Apr

1945

23

Apr

1945

28

Apr

1945

1

May

1945

2

May

1945

6

May

1945

May

1945

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6

June 1945

9

June 1945

10

June 1945

12

June 1945

Made assult boat crossing of Rhine River under concentrated fire at St.
Goar, Germany-Now we knew that Sherman waR rlght-A 20mm sprays a lot of
lead and a little wine helps it to go by-May and Martinez of Second
Platoon killed.
Left Budenbach and arrived at Auel, Germany (Roadwork)-We walked 3 kilo­
meters to visit a castle and found an "Off Limits" sign on the door­
Needles shot.
Left Auel, arrived in Kamp, Germany, on East bank of Rhine River (Main­
tained ponton bridge)-We were demons with a motor boat-We laid a line
across the Rhine.
Left Kamp, arrived in Laubach, Germany (Roadwork)-Nazi baby factory and
nix fraternizing, what a life!
Left Laubach and arriv~d "t \leimer, Germany (prepared Luftwaffe camp
for Patton's Headquarters-Rootin' tootin' lootin'-Buchenwald Concentra­
tion Camp.
Left Weimer and arrived at Bad Blankenberg-5,OOO bottles of wine and
somehow we built a bridge.
Left Bad Blankenberg and arrived in Dietersdorf, Germany-The messhall
was in the railroad station.
Left Dietersdorf and arrived in Trebgast, Germany (Roadwork)-DeHart
went visiting-the convoy pulled out too soon.
Left Trebgast, arrived in Echenbach, Germany (Roadwork) The city hall
boys found a home-the beer came in kegs.
Left Echenbach, arrived in Wackersdorf, Germany-The things you'll find

in a schoolhouse.

Left Wackersdorf, arrived in Mangelhan, Germany (Hauled Bailey bridge

equipment)-cobwebs on the ceiling and cowdung by the messha11 door­ 

Hitler reported kaput.

Left Mangelhan and arrived in Regan, Germany (Erected timber bridge,

repaired roads J-Hode ru apar i.menta , cognac by the barrel and the end of

the War-Wine women and a pistol don't mix.

Left Regan and arrived in Hebertsfelden (built 257 foot timber bridge in

'Eggensfelden) 85 points or the CBI-The Radio Section sets up in a
trailer.
Moved from Hebertsfelden to Wilding, near Frankenmarkt,Austria (Garr­
ison training begins)-"Hedy Lamarr honeymooned here"-The rains came and
the duffle bags went.
Left Wilding, and moved to Redl, Austria-We collect ourselves after the
flood-a night in the theater.
Left Redl, and arrived in Oberholswang, Germany-The Field Artillery
helps us find billets-The Gesthaus wasn't big, but it was dry.
Left Oberholswang, and arrived in Kricheiselfing, Germany-Garrison life
gets underway in a baby factory-and Stars and Stripes says the Third
Army will occupy Germany.

�APRIL 1944


12th	 I left home, Taft, Texas, to go into the Army. We left from Sinton. I was in charge
of the group that went up that day. It gave me a funny feeling not knowing what to
expect. I reported to Fort Sam Houston, San Antonio, Texas.
13th	 I spent all morning filling out papers and was sworn in at 13:25. This afternoon-we
received our G.I. Clothing.
14th	 We are still getting classified and receiving shots.
15th	 I went home. I reached Taft at about 2400. Some bus ride! I was glad to get home.
16th	 I left for Fort Sam to complete induction. Little did I know where I would go in a
few days.
17th	 This is my first day in a Unit. I spent all day policing grounds and shoveling manure
for flower beds at Fort Sam. Little did I know this is what I would also do the first
day I reported for work with Sinclair Pipe Line Company after graduation from
Texas A &amp; M in 1950.
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I tested red and green color blind. This kept me out of the Marines. Most of the
people inducted in this time frame were killed in the P T O. I lost some good
friends out there.
The person scheduling which unit we would go to had gone to the University of
Texas. Since I had completed one semester at Texas A &amp; M he gave me my choice.
I took an opening for "C" Engineers. He said it was Combat or Construction duty.
I thought it was better odds than the Infantry.
I Met the highest ranking person I ever saw in the Army. He was an inductee with
3 days seniority over me at Fort Sam Houston.
21st	 I fooled around today getting more shots. I saw an old Aggie friend and a
Stage Show.

usa

22nd	 I left Fort Sam Houston by bus to go to Camp Swift near Bastrop and Austin, Texas.
I was surprised to be stationed so close to home.
23rd	 I was assigned to "A" Company of the 1252ND Engineering Combat Battalion. Later
they changed me to "B" Company.
One of the recruits had the measles and we were put in Quarantine for two weeks.
We had a good time. There were 60 Texans in one building - One Big Party.

�The 1252 ENGINEER COMBAT BATTALION WAS A UNIQUE GROUP.

The Cadre arrived at Camp Swift prior to the arrival of the personnel for the
Battalion.
Approximately 1/3rd of the men came from the East. They were trained
Construction personnel and Truck Drivers. 1/3rd were younger troops from Texas
to do the hard physical labor and 1/3rd were from an AAA training program being
disbanded.
The Battalion trained as a Unit, went into action as a Unit and for the most part
returned home as a Unit.
I want to commend the Cooks and Bakers we had. They always had coffee and cake
on hand when we came in from hikes and training exercise. They also did an
excellent job in the E T 0 under extreme hardships.
I also want to commend the Jeep and Truck Drivers for taking us over unmarked
roads, driving on both sides of the front lines and taking us on a lot of R &amp; R short
trips. We were lost a lot of the time but we always made it to our objective. Thanks
a Lot!
JUNE 1994

6th	

"B" Company was building a Double Double Bailey Bridge when we received word
that American Troops had landed in France. Heavy fighting has been reported on
the Beachheads.
NOTE: In the latter part of the summer I witnessed one of the biggest mistakes I
have ever heard of.
The 10TH Mountain Division with thousands of mules were transferred in mass from
the Rocky Mountains (Cold) to Camp Swift (Hot) with 110° F in the shade. The
men made it but I don't think a single mule made it. So much for Army Planing.
LEAVE CAMP SWIFT TO GO TO E T 0
OCTOBER 1944

6th	

Everything is packed and ready to go to the E T O. I had to stay in Camp tonight.

4

�7th

I left for Taft on the Greyhound Bus. I missed connections in San Antonio and
looked up some friends and caught a later bus. A lot of Troops are on the move.

8th

Arrived home this morning and was sure glad to see the Folks. It was tough knowing
I was leaving in a few days for the E T O. I will be glad when I see them again.
Returned to Camp tonight.
. .

9th

I intended to go into Austin and see some friends at the University of Texas but No
One was allowed to leave Camp. This was rough on the wives in town as well as on
the husbands in Camp.

10th

Checked all equipment and rested the rest of the day.

11th

We got some replacements today. They have been in the ALEUTIAN Islands (S.W.
of Alaska) for the past 18 to 20 months. From what I have heard this was rough
duty. We were informed we would leave the next day for the E T O.

12th

The 1252ND Engineer Combat Battalion left Camp Swift around 1300 by train. We
went through Waco and Dallas.

13th

We left Texarakana at 0012. I had been in the Army six (6) months to the day when
we pulled out of Texas.

15th

The Company arrived in Camp Kilmer, New Jersey late at night.
approximately 2 miles to reach our quarters.

16th

They really worked us getting all of our equipment ready and checked.

17th

We got our physicals in the morning. What a laugh. No one was rejected. Several
had ruptured ear drums. I had my picture taken to send home to the Folks. I hoped
it was good.

18th

The ones who lived around New York got passes to go horne and to see their
families. The rest of us get to go on pass tomorrow.

19th

We were restricted to our area. All of the bunch finally carne back from leave. We
move out in the morning. Most of the Company got drunk tonight.

20th

We left Camp Kilmer for embarkation at the Port of New York. We rode a ferry
across the River and then boarded the H.M.S. TAMAROA. When we left Camp
Kilmer we were placed under tight security. No names of Units or anything to
indicate who we were. When it came time for us to load they announced over the
Port loud speakers that Company "B" of the 1252ND Engineer Combat Battalion
could start to load. (So much for security. Loose Lips Sink Ships - etc.)
5

We hiked

�21st

The rest of the troops loaded. We were cleared by 1600. However, we could not
pull out until the next day. The brother of one of our group visited him on the boat.
He would be on one of the escort ships in our convoy. He told us not worry. That's
when we started to worry.
Some of us threw several life preservers over board to see how much we could
depend on them. All sank as soon as they hit the water. We were chewed out for
destroying Government Property. At least we knew to head for a life boat fast if we
had to abandon ship.

22nd In the morning the H.M.S. TAMAROA pulled out of Port. (48 -49 -50). I saw the
Statute of Liberty and it gave me a funny feeling. I will be glad when i get to see
America again.
The Crossing Was Good - The Food "Vas Not
NOVEMBER - 1994

2nd

A play was put on by the SS of the Battalion and the Jr. Birdmen. It was good and
well received. I was seasick. The ground swells got to me. The sea was calm and
.
boat wasn't rocking.

3rd

We arrived in ENGLAND. Troops started disembarking at Avonsmouth this
morning. "B" Company finally got off at 2000. We boarded a train and headed
South to Torquay. We arrived about 23:55. Then we rode trucks to where we were
to stay. "C" Company called it "Camp SHIPLEY". Had it not been for the WAR we
would have had it made. Torquay was located Southwest of Plymouth and was a
vacation resort. A Red Cross Mobile Canteen Unit was assigned to our site and
handed out coffee and donuts.
The Battalion went through additional training and stressed hikes. Everything was
uphill. It rained a lot.
I experienced heavy English fog for the first time. We had to feel our way back from
town.
The Battalion was well received by the English until the Officers decided to build a
divided four (4) lane highway to train the equipment operators. The English didn't
appreciate an American Interstate Highway across their Country Side. Their roads
were narrow and it was hard for two vehicles to pass. I don't know if the land was
ever reclaimed.

6

�We trained planting and taking up Anti-Personnel and tank mines. They were a few
accidents. I am still partly deaf in my left ear from a booby trapped mine exploding
next to me.

DECEMBER· 1994

3rd	

An advance party from the Battalion came back and said we were slated to clear
mines on the Peninsula so the Army could have more clear space to train. I am glad
we didn't have to go as we have had intensive training in clearing mines. American,
English and German. We still didn't know too much about taking them up.
Another Battalion in our group received orders to clear a beach near Torquay of
mines that the British had planted to repel a German invasion. The first day we
heard they lost two (2) officers and several men. Due to this a few of them refused
to continue taking up the mines. (I think I read about them later in the Readers
Digest. It was kept quite)
After this incident we suspended this type of training. I have found that mines are
seldom laid as shown on drawings. Generally no one knows where the maps are.
The War in Europe was going smoothly. The North flank had been holding firm,
Allowing Patton to break through the hedge rows irrthe Middle and South of France.
He was going like a Bat Out of Hell with hopes of a Victory by Christmas. Friction
was building in the support Units because some though Patton was taking more than
his share of the supplies for the 3RD Army. The fronts had stabilized and were
being re-supplied when the bottom drooped out.
BEGINNING OF THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE

15th	 On Saturday the 15th of December at 05:30 the Germans began the Battle of the
Bulge with a force of 275,000 men, 1,900 heavy Artillery pieces, tanks and other
related equipment. The weather was Cold with snow on the ground. They assaulted
a 50 mile front held by six (6) .American Divisions made up of approximately 75,000
men. Later it was discovered that a large portion of the Americans were on R &amp; R
and Christmas leaves. The bulk of the troops were in a more or less holding position
waiting to regroup. It was getting harder to supply them with food and gasoline.
I believe at the time of the German attack that the Americans only had 10 to 20 men
per mile on the front line point positions. Some of those were killed in their sleeping
bags. In freezing weather it is normal to try to stay warm. (Note: I later stood
guard in my sleeping bag with my rifle inside but never zipped it up. Even when I
go camping now I remember this.)
7

�By December 20th the Germans had advanced 20 to 25 miles and only the areas
around Bastogne and St. Vith were holding.
I was told by a person that had been in the CIA that some of the crack German
Units had been supplied with pills that kept them mentally alert and awake for
several days at a stretch. However when the effect of the pills wear off you can go
to sleep standing up. You don't awaken until your body says it is OK. This could
have been one reason several of the German units seemed to hit a stone wall for no
reason.
The result of this battle action cost the Americans over 75,000 men killed, wounded,
captured or missing in action. It was the final blow from the German Army and
resulted in the speeding up of the down fall of the Germans.
What A Loss To Both Sides
WAR IS HELL TO BOTH SIDES
BACK TO THE 1252ND
15th	 While the Battle of the Bulge was starting on the 15th a dance was held and the
English and Red Cross girls attended. It was a nice dance. We hated to leave but
some of us left at 2200 to go to London on a pass. The train was blacked out for the
trip.
16th	 We arrived in London at 0430 and got some sleep. We started out at 0800 and
completed our tour late that night. We saw some shows and plenty of damage due
to the Tumbler and Glider V bombs. The usa group was excellent. They said that
Rangers and Combat Engineers were the only ones to keep their caps on all the
time. I don't know if this was good or bad. They wanted to know about the
Cowboys and Indians back in America and about the Texas oil wells.
I thought the British had a rough go at it. London is still a big city and is a good R
&amp; R spot. We hated to leave but caught the 1430 train back to Torquay.
18th	

For the first time we heard that the Germans had started an attack, later called the
Battle of the Bulge. Everyone in the hospital where we were working that was able
to walk and carry a weapon was put in a division replacement pool and sent to the
front as replacements for the troops that had already fallen in the counter attack.
At this time, from what I heard, I thought we might also be broken up and sent on
as replacements rather than a Battalion.

8

�Everyone that could carry a rifle was being assembled in France and were sent to the
front. Cooks, bakers, ordinance personnel, truck drivers, and walking wounded were
included. This period of the action was later proven to be one of the biggest defeats
of the American Army.
25th

CHRISTMAS - Since we were in Torquay, we had a more or less normal Christmas.
However, orders had come in for us to join Patton's forces as soon as possible.

26th

Today all of the Battalion except for the guards (I was one) went to a rifle range- for
a week to zero in their rifles. This afternoon we were alerted to go to France at
once. Boy, did thing happen fast after that.

27th

We worked hard all day packing and loading the equipment on flat cars and trucks.
The Battalion worked all night but somehow I got out of the night work.

28th

We finished packing all equipment tonight. They gave out everything in the mess
hall. We had a big final meal and slung packs at 2345 to leave for France.

29th

We rode on a train to South Hampton where we boarded the Polish ship MIS
Sobleski, We still didn't know where we were going.

31st

We arrived in Le Harve, France in the morning and got off in the afternoon. I
stayed behind to load duffel bags and got out of an 8 to 10 mile hike with full field
packs. We were still working at 2400. What a Way to celebrate New Years Eve.
From the "C" Company report the hike was all uphill and they pitched tents on the
cold, cold ground. What a welcome to France. While we were guarding the gear we
were under sniper fire all the time but no one in our area was hit. Whoever was
shooting at us were damn poor shots.

1st

At least at midnight, they lit up the sky with anything that would make a noise or a
light. The Americans had bombed Le Harve and the French resented it.
We helped a Major drink his whisky ration to keep warm. It was extremely cold.
There was know and ice on the ground. We rode in 6 X 6 trucks to where we would
camp. We arrived at 0230 and got up at 0400 to move out. We boarded 6 X 6
trucks. We drove to an apple orchard near Forges-Les-Eaux. We were half frozen
when we arrived. The apple orchard was full of cow manure covered with 6" of
snow. Most of the day was spent gathering fire wood. We bedded down in 4 man
pup tents. We went over to a farm house and liberated the thatched roof and placed
the thatch under our tents. At night the tent would freeze over and seal the tent.
No one wanted to be the first up but the fourth one got up fast. When you live in
the open you get climitized fast and learn to build small fires.

9

�It snowed every night. Twice it rained. It was hellish weather. Only about 6 of the
Company had to go to the hospital because they were sick.

We gathered wood in a field. We found out later it was a mine field. A French man
that lived close by traded us for cider (it was good). Some of the troops went in to
town to eat. We found out German Para Troopers were near. The farmer was mad
because we took the thatched roof for bedding. I think we gave him some lumber
to re-roof his house. Needless to say he was still mad. War is Hell.
6th

We spent today freezing in the apple orchard as usual. This was by 19th birthday,
and one I will never forget. I got loaded on cider.

7th

I took a shower and got clean clothes. We got our px rations. We paid for them.
It was the last rations we paid for until after V.E. Day.

8th

We heard we were going to Cherbroug to clear mines or attend a mine school. We
were going to be Infantry Combat Engineers. However, the orders changed 3 times
and in the end we were in the 3rd Army. We were to back up the Bulge and hold
the line. What it meant we didn't know.

10th

We left Forges-les-Eaux today by 6 X 6 truck to go to Rouen. Then we boarded the
40 X 8 (train box car) and left for Paris. There was a lot of snow and it was very
cold.

11th

We arrived in a suburb of Paris. Enghiem-Ies-Bains, located 8 kilometers from Paris
to stay in a casino. The people thought we were from the front. We were cold, tired
and black. We were in a building but it was hard to warm the building. I received
a different view of the French. Most of the people preferred the Germans to the
Americans and all the French in this area wore new and expensive clothes. It
appeared a lot of them were German sympathizers.
We knew it was to be bad when they had communion for the Catholics and
Protestants and services for the Jews. This is when I realized how similar each is.
We sat on bunks around the church area and watched.

A bunch of us had a big party. All of us were drunk. We knew we were going up
to the front so we really celebrated. What a night!
We heard one of the cooks in the Battalion traded sugar for a large bottle of
Calvodose. He drank the entire bottle. He was our first casualty. He was shipped
back to the States. I never heard if he got out of the hospital.

10

�16th

We left Paris this morning in a 40 and 8. We were going to be Pattons spearhead.
The train passed through Sainte Menehould. We damn near froze during the 2 days
we were on the train. Everyone lay down at one time on your side, on the floor
facing in one direction. If one person turned, all turned. Those damn 40 and 8's
were Hell to ride in. They are cold in the winter, no room for a fire or we would
have had one. Thirty-two men and full equipment, I heard some had frost bite after
this ride. (40 and 8 stands for 40 men or 8 horses.)

17th

We passed through Verdun and arrived in Uc Krange this afternoon. We had to
sleep another night in the damn 40 and 8.

18th

We talked to a group of tankers this morning. The tankers came to regroup. They
had been shot all to Hell. We left by 6 X 6 truck in the afternoon to go to Biwer in
Luxembrough. Today we became a part of the forces in the 3rd Army under Patton.
We are approximately 8 miles from the front. The weather was cold and snow was
on the ground. We were at the southern anchor of the Bulge. We relieved the 7th
Engineer Combat of the? Infantry Division.

19th

We heard artillery firing all day, and saw flashes all night. We doubled the guard.
A Jeep of Germans broke through. No damage was done to our units.

20th

18 of Company B traveled about 8 miles and put-up a double apron of barbed wire
fence near Mantermach? . We built 500 yards in 5 hours in knee deep know. We
were 1,500 yards from the Germans. It was cold. Too cold for us to even be
worried. I still don't know if the fence was finished. I was too tired and cold to care.
The Germans were a short way off and were not attacking at that time. So what the
heck. We returned to Biwer that night.

22nd

Patton gave orders for the troops to sleep in houses and we agreed. At the same
time, he ordered us to wear neck ties at all times.
Company B left Biwer to go up on the line today. It was snowing lightly and was
cold. 2nd Platoon ~ "B" CO. - moved into 3 or 4 houses in Munschecker and set up
camp. We were less than 1000 yards from the Germans. We spent the first night
in the fox holes. The ground was frozen. There were 6 to 12 inches of snow on the
ground. I was scared in this situation.
From that night on we were within 5 miles either in front of or behind the Front
Line. Everything was fluid and the drivers did not have road maps. They kept
running off the maps or just got lost and found their way home some way. Very
good drivers. We had some wild rides. At least we kept the Jerry cans full of
liberated wine and schnapps and enjoyed our rides. We had no heat on these trips
and it was cold. We had to keep moving.

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�"C" Company left Biwer and moved south of us to Niedevdoniven. The first thing
they did was to liberate 10,000 gallons of wine (Oh Boy)!
At this time the 2nd Calvary Ghost Patrol defeated the Germans in Ahn in the "C"
Company area. After this the snow Ghosts moved to the Munschecken area and
installed their still in the church tower.. A few days later either the all copper still
blew up or was hit by German Artillery and the church tower was destroyed.
The Germans were shelling our outposts in the forest using tree bursts to expand
their effective areas. They did not have the proximity first we had. After a few
shellings we moved about 50 yards from the tree line and dug new fox holes. One
group dug one they could not out of without help. We had to keep them narrow to
keep the tanks out.
We had moved too far and too fast with the Bulge Counter attack and out ran our
food supplies. Everyone had dysentary and we ate cheese, chocolate, and wine. The
cooks did the best they could. I lost 20 to 30 pounds while we were at Munschecken
and I swore I would never go hungary again.
"B" Company sent out several reconnaissance patrols to check the river area. No one
was shot and the Germans played music every night and partied while we froze on
out post duty.
We were with the 2nd Calvary (Ghost Patrol) 2nd '"the 808 Tank Destroyers. Across
the Mosel River was the 11th SS Panzer Division (we heard this later) one excellent
hard fighting unit. They lived in an underground factoy or Siegfried Line Block
House.
25th	

We test fired our 30 and 50 Caliber machine guns today. Unknowingly we shot at
the house where the 1st Platoon had their left flank. They thought it was the
Germans. They left out fast. It was really cold here. Everyone had frozen hands
and feet. It is too cold to get close to a fireplace when we get off outside duty. We
have to wait at least 10 to 20 minutes to thaw out so we can get close to warm up.
The 2nd Calvary shared their still's production with us. That made it possible to
survive.

27th	

One squad dug 3 more fox holes. All of them froze (6 hours of digging.) I heard
some War guard dogs barking. It took me about 10 years to not think of this when
dogs started to bark

28th	 We stood guard duty every 2 out of 3 nights in a nearby group of woods. It was so
dark the 4 of us stayed about 5 feet apart. The U.S. Infantry faked a river crossing
one mile away. We sure saw a lot of fire worked.

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�29th

Heard our second 88's (11th Panzer Tanks). The shells fell 43 paces from our dug
out and set fire to a house in town. The Americans moved in a 155 long tom,
(artillery field pierce) 100 yards in back of us today and kept us awake while the
Germans threw machine guns and Burp guns at us tonight from their side of the
river. I helped on a mortar. I started to go on a reconnaissance patrol but was
ordered to stand fast.

FEBRUARY, 1945
1ST

Everything ok. Still Cold! Dietz, Lt. Condron and I cleared mines out of the road.
It was the first job like that so we could use the road on the west side of town.
Someone had installed the mines at the edge of town. It was in a slight cut. I still
do not like to mess with frozen explosives.

2nd

The snow melted. It was a mess. Mud everywhere. It rained so hard you could not
see your hand in front of your face.

3rd

It snowed and rained. The fox holes ran over with water. We stood post outside the
holes. We shot at a German Patrol. They left. no one was hurt. At this point no
one cared too much. War is Hell. Troops under fire became accustomed to the
danger. Example: during training we could not build small fires to keep warm. On
the MLR (Main Line Resistance) we built fires or anything else we wanted to do.

4th

A new outfit came in to relieve "B" Company. Five of us had to stay to show them
the ropes. They were more scared than we were when we moved in, if that was
possible.

5th

Company "B" left Munschecker today. THANK GOD! All of us will feel the effects
of this place for the rest of our lives. We moved to Flaxweiler for 14 days of R &amp;
R. Some laugh.

6th

Two of the men that relieved us, the 2nd Platoon, were killed by booby traps. I will
say we were well trained during our training England. I talked with a bunch of the
Ghost Patrol of the 2nd Calvary.
As I remembered we were with the 6th Armor and 2nd Calvary. Both were excellent
units. The group at Echternach were having a hard time getting a bridge in and
Patton came to determine what was the matter. Four of us stopped Patton at a cross
road outside of Echternach and questioned him. At this time English and American
speaking Germans were around. Four of us held him with rifles until he proved who
he was. He was nice about it.

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�The line was fluid and we had just shot at several half tracks that ran our road blocks
with AP shells. They sure picked up speed after we shot them. i would have shot
Patton but my rifle jammed when he drove up. There were no friends except the
ones we knew or checked out. Otherwise we would have shot them. This type action
was taking place in other areas.
I heard Patton gathered a group together in town to give them a pep talk. One of
our bunch made a wisecrack about the other Engineers for the Division could not
build a bridge under fire across the Our River. (It could have been "A" Company?)
Patton told the group we had better rest and pray for them to get the bridge in that
afternoon or we would build it that night. He wanted to cross the Our River and
open up the front. The river was flooding and proved to be a difficult crossing.
Thank	 God they built the bridge in time and the tanks crossed the river on time.
We played soldier on a hill and took in a
7th	

usa stage Show and a movie tonight.

About this time, "C" Company moved to Oberdoniven. Patton came by to inspect the
area.
"B" Company stood by all day as reserve for the river crossing at Echterhach.
Something's up. "B" Company took off fasf'fbis afternoon. Tonight we reached
Eschweiler. We had an open truck. We rode in the rain, sleet, hail, and cold. It
was windy.

8th	

"B" Company pulled in at 0025 this morning. ~We were really tired and flopped on
the floor and slept. I had guard. I pulled it with Clemmons.

"C" Company left Oberdoniven in a stormy night, got lost and found Esehweiler and
on the 10th moved to Consthum for outpost duty and roadwork.
9th	

I wondered over the town (Esehweiler) looking to see what I could find. An
American tank was destroyed. We took the 30 caliber ammo out and zeroed in our
rifles.

10th	 "C" Company left Eschweiler on 10th and moved to Consthum for out post duty and
road work.
"B" Company left Eschweiler to go up on the line at Walhausen. Relieved 7th Air
Division. We rode a way in trucks but hiked with full field packs the last 5 miles and
the last 2 under German observation. Our battalion again replaced what had been
a full division. Fighting had been heavy and we again used our R &amp; R duty to serve
as infantry.

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�11th

It had been quite for "B" Company for a few days. The night before when we were
on duty all Hell broke loose. Screaming minis (mortars) and 88's with machine guns
and burp guns. Quite a racket. P.S. The Counter attack was broken. Things got
sticky at times.

12th

I had tonight off. It sure came in handy.. All was quite except when our guards came
in. The Germans threw a lot of Screaming Minis. No casualties.

13th

"C" Company moved to Walhausen and said a tank blew all to Hell.
"B" Company spotted for Artillery lOS's fire on 'the Germans. All morning we had
a lot of fun until a Cub (airplane) came over. The Germans really got up and took
off. We caught Hell tonight. They paid us back.

14th

Company "B'' was eating dinner when the Germans threw a lot of Screaming Mini's
at the church. They hit it, too. Three of us left the church and crawled behind a
stone wall back to our home (approx. 30 yards distance). I didn't spill a drop of my
coffee.

15th

"C" Company left Walhausen and returned to. Consthum to do out post and road
duty.
"B" Company left Walhausen after going through Hell. God was with us all the way.
We sent back to take up the MLR at Consthum.

16th

Most of the troops in "B" Company had lost 3 to 4 inches in the waist and were
touchy. That night the German patrols were active. We went out to the MLR
(Mainline of Resistance). No sleep that night. We had dug in the main line of
resistance under fire. I had a machine gun in by fox hole with another person. We
told everyone when we settled in that anyone who came up the draw to think twice.
We had a mine field in our rear and I was not going to attempt to go through it at
night. No Germans came up our draw. But there were several Americans and
German combat patrols in the area that night.

17th

"B" Company went back up to the line at Walhausen. When we got there, the
Germans welcomed us with 12 SM. One of our group liked to play the piano and
when he did the Germans laid in motor fire on us.
The Sm's landed 20 to 30 feet from us in the 2nd ph. Four men were wounded.
Laine, Frank Straight, John Fundyea, and Johnson.
Several of the Sm's hit the street in front of our building on top of the cobble stone
road. the others landed just off the west side of the road where the ground sloped
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�down. We had heard the incoming shells and hit the road gutters. The shrapnel
whet over us. One foot elevation make a lot of difference.
18th	 God was sure with me. 1 was on a 10 man reconnaissance patrol and we 'moved into
the village. The Germans threw hand grenades and the first one hit Capt. Gunion.
About this time we decided to pull out. through a gap in a stone wall and climb up
the hill behind. Several machine guns were aimed on the gate. 8 of the 10 received
Purple Hearts. Seven of us in one group were pinned down on the side of a hill 3
1/2 hours with no cover. We were exposed to Sm's, MG and Bump guns. Every
time someone moved, they cut loose. Several of us prayed for a cloud to come up
the valley and one did. That gave us some cov~r.
Willie Clemmons fell off the path. Webber and Murray went back down the hill to
pick him up and carry him out. Then we carried each other back to the base. That
was one Hell of a day. Everyone except me went to the hospital. Brown and
Hendrick were hit. (I do not remember the name of the other 4 men on patrol).
When 1 returned to base I was scheduled to go back to the same place on the 19th.
Sgt. Scioli and the squad leaders said no. I then volunteered to set up a 50 col. MG
on the hill looking down into town to smoke out the Germans when another patrol
was schedules to look into town again.
19th	 Last night the Germans did a lot of firing. 1 thought 1 would have to go out on
patrol but it proved unnecessary. Boy was Cglad. I was dead tired. the Germans
came up to the 3rd Squad's position last night. (No casualties - 1 think).
20th	

"C" Company left Consthuim and arrived in Marmach for preparation for breaking
the Siegfried Line.
I had a day off scheduled but went out at 1800 and dug in solid rock till 0600 to
make a shell hole 5' x 2' x 4' for a 50 cal. mg. We were to draw fire so a bridge
could be blown up.

21st	

"A" Company had a reconnaissance patrol pinned down in the same place "B"
Company was pinned down. 1 heard 2 men were killed in "A" Company.
1 was placed on the 50 Cal. MG with a man from Florida. We fired all day to cover
the patrol actions. I knew where the German fire was coming from and kept their
fire to a minimum by shooting into the windows where the Germans were set up.
We were on top of a hill and shot into the valley and town.

The ground and grass in front of my MG was burned black. 1 was chewed out
because 1 had used a months ammo in one day. (I would do the same thing if a
similar situation came up again.)

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�To support our group, we called in artillery fire on the Germans but made sure we
didn't hit them. We just ran them from the edge of town to the other edge of town
and provided cover for our patrol. The shells were clearing our hill by 10 to 20 feet.
That is the only way we could get help.
After several hours a forward observer (a captain) came up and wanted to know
what in the Hell we were shooting and the size of the enemy force. After we told
him what we were doing he played with us a while and at dusk he shut down the
shelling and left. They were getting low on Ammo. Everything was in short supply.
Patton had set up a Red Ball Express from the sea ports to the front line. They did
a good job and kept the supplies coming. It saved our necks.
When I got in tonight, I volunteered for a 30 man combat patrol but it was called off.
22nd	 "C" Company took part in breaching operations against the Siegfried Line. They
crossed the Our River as Dasburg, Germany, advanced to Pruscheid, Germany. The
colonel commended Singer and Bowen on their looting ability.
"B" Company left Walhausen at 0230, then left Consthrum at 0600, and arrived under
fire on the Our River at Dasbourgh. My squad gathered in side a room of a stone
house until the shelling slacked off. Then at 1000 we went across the Our River on
a foot bridge to attack the Siegfried Line. We moved to the edge of town in a valley.
After regrouping "B" Company started receiving shell fire. I didn't know if this fire
was German or American only that if we stayed there no one would be left alive.
I made up a squad consisting of myself and 7 others. Three had first arrived as
replacements a few days ago. They had served in the Aleutian Islands and were in
trouble in England for picking up a cook stone and hand carrying it to town and
selling it. The MP's were unhappy.
The eight of us moved out as a squad (I believe Clemmons was with us) during the
confusion and ran up the hill toward the Siegfried line .pill boxes. We started
clearing them of Germans. After the grenades ran out we used our other weapons.
We had a successful day. Thanks to everyone working together, none of the 8 were
wounded. I still don't believe it.
I took a cat nap in the headquarters bunker. I was starting to hear Germans using
the field phone to talk to the bunkers. I rolled over with my rifle stopping just short
of shooting. It was a bunch of "B" Company speaking in German. (They were
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the end of the war was near.

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�The 1252 BN did an excellent job and were given a copy of a citation by the
commander of the Read Task Force Castallo Combat team "A" for Action under fire,
for making the assault crossing, capturing our 73 fortified Siegfried Line concrete
bunkers with minimum losses. We also drove the last Germans out of Luxemburg
with this action. It was rumored that we would be awarded the Presidential Unit
Citation but we hadn't suffered enough casualties on this assault.
We also should have been awarded the Combat Infantryman's Badge. We had in
enough time but Headquarters said we were Engineers.
23rd

"C" Company advance reaches Sevenig, Germany (Third Platoon cleared the town).

You didn't need a saddle when you ride a tank:
"B" Company carried demolitions but left them. We understood that "A" Company
rode tanks into 2 towns. "C" Company rode tanks into 3 towns. "B" Company took
the 75 pill boxes and cleaned out the bridge head.
24th

"C" Company left Preischeid,

Germany and returned again to Consthum,
Luxembourg. The duffle bags were all fouled up.

I had the day off. I sat in front of pill boxes and ate all day. The Germans (75 of
them) were 300 yards off taking life easy in the woods. They were POWS by night.
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25th

I helped sweep 12 miles of road. Tanks passed us both ways. It took all day. That
night we pulled out and went back to Consthum. We took 1 POW. The trucks came
up through towns that were not yet taken by the Americans and went back the same
way. The front was fluid. We were lucky.

26th

"B" Company left Consthum to go to Petit Thier (west of St. Vith) to do road work
but it was the wrong town. We rested. The break was good. We had been on the
go.

27th

"C" Company left Donsthum, arrived at Neundorf, Belguim, near St. Vith. (Corduroy

roadwork) Knee deep in mud. A manure pile before every door.
"B" Company left Petit Thier and went up to Schonverg through St Vith. We moved
into a town that was occupied by the 89th division. I didn't see any building in St.
Vith that was over 6 inches high. We used the rocks, rubble, and logs to repair the
road.
28th

"B" Company worked fixing roads and approaches to the D.D. Bailey Bridge that
goes over the rail road in St. Vith. It was some job. The rocks kept sinking into the
mud.

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�29th

"B" Company worked in St. Vith building and repairing a Corduroy road. They are
hard to make. It rained a little. The officer in charge of group head quarters
couldn't find anyone. He was mad. It was too cold to work. We finished our job
but he wanted it finished a lot sooner.
MARCH 1945

1st

"B" Company left Schonverg and moved to Espeler. We lived in a school house. It
was a nice warm place about 30 miles from work.

2nd

"B" Company had a stretch of road across the Our River in Germany. there was a
Red Cross unit with the hospital and we stopped in for coffee and doughnuts. It
snowed that afternoon. Our Infantry was taking heavy casualties in this area.
Patton needed the road to supply the front north and east of St. Vith. The fighting
was heavy and ambulances were going both ways. We heard that any noncom in the
1252 that wanted a Battlefield Commission to 2nd Lt. could have it. After what we
had seen there were no takers.

3rd

It snowed and rained all day. We were repairing the roads, A Red Cross van drove
past several times without stopping. I was fed up and stopped then with my rifle and
requested them to give us some coffee and doughnuts. They said they only served
the fighting troops. (How they got to 'the Front Line they couldn't explain.) I told
them although we were Engineers we had just come off the line after serving as
Infantry for several weeks. I also told them to cut the B.S. and give us something to
eat. She gave us coffee and doughnuts and reported us to their headquarters. It was
cold. My throat hurt all day.

4th

I was on road patrol last night. We didn't do much. Today I was off. The rest
helped a lot. The strain has been hard on me.

5th

I was sick.

My throat hurt. I stayed in and repaired my equipment. It is still

morning.
6th

We heard that we were leaving but the orders were changed to leave the next day.
It rained all day and the roads were in fair shape.

7th

"C" Company left Nuendorf, arrived in Mutzenich, Germany. There's nothing like
a Teller Mine to reduce the waist line.
We left Espeler and moved to Winterscheid. We worked all day in the rain. We
were disgusted. We found a house but it wasn't very good.

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�8th

We moved into a better house when we came in. While we were working we found
a couple of dead Gl's and a dozen Germans. One of the boys went through infantry
basic training with one of the dead Gl's. A German youth (10 to 12 years old) shot
at us all day. When we got ready to leave one of the group went to his house and
gave him a spanking and broke his rifle. He told him to learn how to shoot. None
of our bunch was hit.

9th

"B" Company left Wintersheid. We passed through Prum and stayed in Gonnersdorf.

10th

"C" Company left Mutzenich, arrived in Scheid, Germany (Roadwork), Dragon's
Teeth and the Siegfriend Line. The machine guns still were loaded. Welch killed
by AP mine.
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"B" Company rested up waiting for orders to come in on what road we were to fix.
The Americans had just passed through the area.

11th

"B" Company's orders came in today. Kolbert, Grening, and Murray cleared mines
on the approaches to the craters in the road.

12th

"B" Company checked two scout cars for booby traps. We finished clearing the
roadway. The Germans really believed in mining this area.

13th

I had sinus trouble today. It was also my day oft. I stayed in. This was the only
time I had sinus trouble overseas. I might have been killed had I not been sick.
Lt. Condron took out a party to clear mines. Hart was killed and Dietz was badly
wounded. His leg was blown off by a shoe mine. Bill was hurt when his bulldozer
hit a mine.

14th

"C" Company left Scheid, and arrived in Mullenbach, Germany (Roadwork) Ruskis,
Polskis and French by the hundreds; PW's by the thousands. The first bathtub in
Germany.
"B" Company moved from Gonnersdorf to Zermullen. We moved in and
straightened our things up. We rested up that day. We are making a pincher
movement-firing on three sides. It sure seemed funny to see the stuff going both
ways.

15th

The Battalion gave "B" Company the worst strip of road but we fixed it in 2 days
time. We made a swell road. Had a good day. We found good loot and 2 cases
of 10 in 1 extra rations came in.

16th

Repaired roads outside of Kelberg with hot patch. It was a good job for our first job
with hot topping. A farmer was sure mad we used 3/4 of his wood.

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my M1 and M3. We also tried out the pistols.
18th

We drove 50 miles looking for fine rock. We found one load and came in. We had
a good time this afternoon.

19th

Some of the group found a car and a motorcycle for the 3rd squad. The owner had
hidden the wheels and part of the electrical system. It will go 30 mph and will climb
the hill. The motorcycle will go 50 mph and 30 mph up the hill.

20th

"B" Company was notified to form assault boat crews and get ready for a major river
crossing,

21th

We picked up a case of oranges from a QM truck. The other squad took one case
also. They were good "while they lasted.

22nd

I had today off. We were told one of the officers wanted the car and motorcycle for
themselves. We hid the car as we found it and gave the keys to the owner. He was
happy. We are now in the 1107 Engineer Combat Group. It is a damn good outfit.
The best I have heard of. All West Point officers,

23rd

We went on a 100 mile round trip to get a load of rock and then we didn't use it.
Something is up we are to move out tomorrow. .
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24th

"C" Company left Mullenbach, and arrived in Budenbach, Germany (Preparations for
Rhine crossing) Communications set up ten ton Heinie switchboard.
"B" Company moved from Zermullen to Ebschied. I knew something was up by the
stock piles of river crossing equipment. We have been told the Rhine had been
crossed at that point.

25th

We went to church for communion. (Someone thinks we will have heavy losses.)
After that we had a gas class. It broke up. Then the 2nd platoon went to get Bailey
Bridge Equipment and put up a 40 foot S.S. (Single Single) Bailey Bridge. It was the
first in the Battalion and we got it. Thank God. It kept us busy.

26th

"C" Company made assault boat crossing of the Rhine River under concentrated fire
at St. Goar, Germany. Now we knew that Sherman was right. A 20mm sprays a lot
of lead and a little wine helps it to go by. May and Martinez of Second Platoon
were killed. We prepared to make the Rhine river crossing. I believe it was Good
Friday. We relieved the 168th that was almost wiped out this morning. "C"
Company was alerted at 0001 last night and "B" Company at 0600 this morning. We
waited all day in the woods. At 1700 we carried 5 truck loads of assault boats to the
Rhine River. (Boy was I scared.) We came back and ate supper. We again went
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�down to the river at 2000 to make the 4th wave of assault boats. (Note: the first
wave was at 0400 this morning.) I made 3 trips by 0230. We moved the 84th
Division across at St. Goar. The outboard motors still had grease on them and had
not been test run prior to our need to use them. Damn poor planning.
The casualties on the 1st attack wave was approximately 100 killed. Over 300
casualties occurred at this location. I went to school in 1st grade, Seminole,
Oklahoma, with one of the men in my boat. Hope be makes it through the war.
The boats were loaded with I" freeboard. The infantry had on full gear. We rowed
straight across the river. After unloading we ditched the boats and loaded into one
and rowed back across. We ended up 1/4 to 1/2 mile down stream. We walked
back and crossed again. The army had a lot of plywood to repair the boats. I don't
think it ws ever used for this purpose. It was a good thing they had a lot of boats.
(Someone put in the pontoon bridge at the site in the next few days.) After we
secured the East Bank we gathered up to go home and gathered on the West bank
of the river. Snipers shot all night but didn't hit anyone. They were lousy shots.
The German with a 20mm gun in a castle on the east bank really tore us up. He was
killed that night. On one of my trips across the Rhine a search light crew threw their
light on a raft next to us. It was loaded with wounded and Germans. When the
shelling started, most of them jumped off the raft and went down river or drowned.
It was a stupid loss. We got away from the raft as fast as we could. We were about
to sink as it was. We quit at 0230 to go in to rest, but we had to go back out to haul
j gravel for a bridge. Only one truck load of assault boats were left but the landing
I beach head is secure at this time. I got to bed at noon. Since I had been up for 72
hours, (I didn't want to miss anything), we drank our meal and went to bed at noon.
M/e had a champagne and wine party. Excellent SS stuff. Everyone got drunk to
release the strain. Only the German people and 2 or 3 of our Company guarded us.
We wanted to sleep 24 hours. Thank God we made it through this action.

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28th	 "C" Company left Budenbach and arrived at Auel, Germany (Roadwork). We walked
3 kilometers to visit a castle and found an "Off Limits" sign on the door. Needles
shot it.

·"B" Company left Ebschied and moved to St. Goarhausen, the town across the river.

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All of us got lit. The building we stayed in was headquarters for the Youth
movement. We got lost on the move and took the wrong road. It was lucky for us.
A 20mm cannon was firing on the correct road and knocked out several trucks when
we would have been there if we had been on time.

29th	 Yesterday all the 20mm cannons in the area were wiped out. The night before one
squad was fired on with 20mm but no one was hurt. We rested up. Hitler had his
yacht stored here but we were not allowed to use it. There were too many booby
traps.

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�Note: Several days ago, "B" Company was going in a convoy and stopped for a rest
stop. Someone saw a big Buck Deer and they all lined up to shoot the deer at
approximately 100 yards. Everyone emptied one clip and the deer watched them
then turned around and walked into the woods. The officers were mad and said no
one knew how to shoot. A few days later in St. Goarhausen one of the men shot a \
deer from the mess line at over 100 yards and the shot was up hill. Then several j
people had to brin.g the deer in for Dennis. 1Rat%
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30th	 We had part of the stretch of road "A" Company also had so we stayed in the
afternoon. We looked all over town. There was not much left. The civilians had
hidden everything.
31st	

"B" Company went out and tore up road blocks alongside the Main Supply Route.
We sighted 4 men. We formed a patrol and went to see if they were snipers in some
caves along the road. It was a good spot for a 20mm. No action. We guarded the
Treadway bridge at St. Goar for 4 days.
APRIL 1945

1st	

We took care of a treadway. 1010 Engr. constructed. We were given the job of
building a 1500 foot Bailey Bridge (floating) across the Rhine River. We replaced
another Engineer Battalion.

2nd	

"C" Company left Auel, and arrived in Kamp, Germany, on East bank of Rhine River
(Maintained pontoon bridge). We were demons with a motor boat. we laid a line
across the Rhine.
The Rhine River had torn out the bridge 3 times when we arrived. On our first day
we sank 4 utility boats and tore up one LCVP (US Navy) and that afternoon the
bridge was torn loose by a buoy out of control in the middle of the main current.
It drifted down stream and every AAA gun on the River was going to cut loose but
we saved it by pushing it up to the bank. This tore up the Kingspan raft.

4th	

Today we got the bridge back to the same place (at night) and a bay did the same
thing only this time we sank the bay with M1's and M3's. We lost the rest of the
night getting things straightened out.

6th	

The next night we completed all the bays and were taking it easy then orders came
through that we were to stop work on the bridge. We were going to go on into
Germany.

7th	

The Germans said there was a bad current under the surface caused by the bend of
the river. They were right. This was the only bridge not constructed as planned by
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�Patton for the Rhine. After we lost it 3 or 4 times we secured and moved out. I was
afraid that it would tear out some of the Bridges down stream. We even had some
navy boats on hand to help.
8th

SHAEF HQ was mad since they had planned on the bridge for five months. But
they didn't count on the Rhine River cross current.

9th

I got off at 2400 last night. We went out this morning and took up a road block. We
went out at 2000. We were called in at 2300. Boy are we tired. It rained tonight.
We left the Rhine river area and cleared mines from shoulders of roads. After that
we never could get one of our truck drivers off the road surface on to the shoulder.
I was chewed out by one German sapper for being 2 days behind his schedule. He
had placed the mines on a bridge and he didn't blow it up as scheduled. He wanted
to make sure he took up the mines so we didn't destroy the bridge. This cost us
some c-rations but it was worth it. He lived in the area and it was an important
bridge.

10th	 "C" Company left Kamp, and arrived in Laubach, Germany (Roadwork). nazi baby
factory and nix fraternizing, what a life!
"B" Company left St. Goarhousen and moved to Kottingen. Fooled around the rest
of the day getting settled. We sent about 60 miles out of the way. Scenic Drive.
11th	

We rested up. There is one squad out looking for material. They found it. The
other squad went for it tonight.

12th	 This morning we started changing a bridge to a 70 and widened it 4 feet. Some job.
We manhandled 17" beams. It was hard work but it had to be done.
13th	 Last night the lumber yard we had taken the materials from was strafed. Today I
have been in the Army 1 year. We moved from Kottingen to Hersfeld to finish a
bridge.
14th	 At 0230 we left and moved to Gospenrodos. Some of the squads were strafed this
morning. We started building a 400 foot Bailey Bridge but was called off.
15th	

II

"C" Company left laubach and arrived at Weimer, Germany. We prepared Leftwaffe
camp for Patton's Headquarters. Rootin' tootin' lootin'. Buchenwald Concentraction
Camp.
"B" Company went to the Buchenwald Concentration Camp. One Hell of a mess.
The people had scattered all over the city and into the woods. Bodies were stacked
on the ground and on trailers. The ovens had ashes in them. i didn't go into a

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�barrack. One of my bunch went in the door and came out feeling sick. He
recommended I should stay out. Too many faces and bodies in the beds. We arrived
in Herrondof at 0400. I pulled guard and the German planes were still flying around.
We finally left in the afternoon for Weimar.
16th

Today "B" Company cleaned out the. Air Force and Flack officers schools of
Germany at Weimer for Patton's Headquarters. Things changes so fast the 1st Army
took the place over. We went through a warehouse and picked up a bunch of fur
coats. Later army headquarters paced the area off limits..After the war I ate dinner
with one of the officers and he told how they had tried to strip the place after they
had kept the GI's out of it. The officers wanted the furs. I told him we already had
all we wanted and had first choice at that. He never liked me after that.

17th

"C" Company left Weimer and arrived at Bad Blankenberg. Five thousand bottles
of wine and somehow we built a bridge.
"B" Company left Weimer in daylight and passed through Efurt and Gothe and
moved into Molsdorf. One mile from the Super Highway. We are to build a bridge
on one lane of the Super Highway.

18th

One lane was already repaired. We went after lumber and it took us 1/2 hour to get
there and 3 hours to return. The German Air Force is sure a lot of trouble. They
let fly at anything. They hit something and fired a few rounds at "A" Company
'r­
somewhere close by. They flew in pairs.

20th

One was about 500 yards behind the other. The first plane dropped flares and the
next one would cut loose with everything he had. What a feeling.
Note: In this time frame sometime after we left Weimer we moved at night with our
lights on and were stopped two separate times. The civilians turned on lights at the
head and tail end of our convoy. The planes knew the area and strafed the road.
Both times they missed our truck by 2 to 3 feet for the entire length of the convoy.
Somehow they thought we were going the other way.

On the first strafing I had my fur coat on and ran through a 5 strand barbed wire
fence (light weight wire) on the side of the road. The rest of the men followed me.
The second time a bunch of us stayed on a hill a short distance off until we thought
it was safe to load and start the trip again. We were again very lucky.
21st

We carried the lumber to "C" Company, instead of working at night on the bridge.
It was lucky we did. There were a dozen German planes out and they gave the
convoys Hell on the Super Highway where we were working.
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�2nd	

"C" Company left Bad Blankenberg and arrived in Dietersdorf, Germany. The mess
hall was in the railroad station.
"B" Company left Molsdorf through Colburg to Scheverfeld. There were a lot of
holes in the bridge sites and in the other bridge where we were working.

23rd . "C" Company left Dietersdorf and arrived in Trebgast, Germany (Roadwork).
DeHart went visiting and the convoy pulled out too soon.
"B" Company moved from Scheverfeld to ????????? We fooled around the rest of
the day. We traded everything for eggs. We were hungary and had a nice house.
24th	 We started building a fixed bridge to take the place of a 125 foot Bailey Bridge. We
got in lumber and we fixed one bay today.
25th	

We worked and by night had the structure completed, including supports.
worked until 2400.

We

26th	

We removed the BB today and floored the bridge by 2300. We also had most of the
rails up on the side.

27th	 We rested up today. Battalion used the trucks to haul treadway. They sure tore up
our trucks. They loaded 4 treadway sections on each 6 x 6 truck.
28th	 "C" Company left Trebgast, and arrived in Echenbach, Germany (Roadwork). The
city hall boys found a home. The beer came in kegs.
"B" Company left and moved to Goldmuhl.
29th	

"B" Company had a dry run to tear down a Bailey Bridge. For the past 3 days there
has been a big gasoline shortage. Not enough to bring the Infantry and tanks up for
our assault crossing so it has been put off 3 nights in a row. (We found this out
later.)

30th	 I had guard this morning. "B" Company used 3000 gallons of gas when we left at
1900. We went through Bayreuth. We traveled 100 miles to carry BB material. We
slept for 2 hours and then ate the 5 in one rations.

MAY 1945
1st	

"C" Company left Echenbach, and arrived in Wackersdorf, Germany. The things
you'll find in a schoolhouse.

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�"B" Company carried BB equipment to Cham. It rained and we got to the houses at
noon. At 1700 we were alerted for an assault across the Danube river at 2400. It
was called off. I went to sleep at 2000 and found out later the assaul t was called off.
I think I was the only one that got any sleep that night.
The 71st Infantry had driven past the assault crossing point so we moved to Gmund
close to Passua.
The crossing was to be a combined air and ground operation including glider treops
and Airborne Infantry. It was to be a big crossing to show the Germans and Europe
that America still had plenty of power at the end of the war. I later found out that
the German side of the river had a large number of 20mm standing wheel to wheel.
We would have never survived the crossing. I think the Lord was good to us again.
2nd	

"C" Company left Wackersdorf, and arrived in Mangelhan, Germany (Hauled Bailey
Bridge equipment). Cobwebs were on the ceiling and cowdung by the messhall door.
Hi tler reported kaput.

3rd	

What a hole. Dirty as Hell. It was the first place I saw that dirty. We had to ride
40 miles to work and it is very cold. Everyone wanted to pull guard duty.

4th	

Company left Gmund to go to Patersdf to live in a better and cleaner house.
Tonight the SS Germans made an attack around Gmund. All the SS troops were
killed.
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5th	

We worked in the rain all day to keep the MSR (Main Supply Route) open and went
in at 2000. All of us were tired and went to bed at 2400.

6th	

"C" Company left Mangelhan and arrived in Regan, Germany (Erected timber bridge,
repaired roads). Modern apartments, cognac by the barrel and the end of the War.
Wine, women, and a pistol don't mix.
"B" Company woke up at 0230 to go out to work on a road. We loaded gravel by
hand. We hauled 6 truck loads. After breakfast we fixed up a field hospital and
completed the job at 2300. Plenty of rain all day long.

7th	

We got up at 0530 to drain roads. It was still raining but we finished the hospital
road at 1200. We were on the road at 1530 when the MP's told us the war was over.
We had a party that night.

8th	

Today was the official VE Day. I sure am glad the fighting has stopped. Now we
have to wait until the Army says what is next.

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�9th	

We left Patersdf to move to the Eger Airfield in Cheb, Chechoslovakia. We were
to replace a double double Bailey Bridge across a railroad. The Russians would be
given this area and the Army wanted the Bailey Bridge moved to the area we would
keep. It was some ride in the 6 x 6 trucks and the Battalion scattered over 150 mile
radius. We are working with the 1st Division.

10th	 Several of us went to see the German Army Airport at Egar. It reminded me of
Barksdale Airfield. I have the flag that flew over the airfield. They had jet planes
and light bombers. OUf Air Corps really did an excellent job. I saw my first jet
plane at Eger Air Field. I was told that Army headquarters had them moved back
to our side.
11th	 Our bridge replace a DDBB over the railroad. We first had to clear away wreckage
of the original bridge.
12th	 the Company has worked in 3-8hr shifts. Ours was 2400 to 0800. The sun came up
at 0430. We had to do a lot of digging in the rock.
13th	 We used air drills and TNT to reach bed rock. We had our main meal at 0400. The
cooks did an excellent job.
14th	 The 1st Infantry Division and a Radar Outfit each had a picture show and we went
every night. Saw 2 USO stage shows while we were there.
15th	 The family that lived in our house brought us their liquor ration. They wanted us to
take care of their stuff and not let the other Germans and troops into their place.
16th	 Anything that is loose is stolen. I was told later the RR cut where we built the
bridge was crossed through the courtesy gave 200 dead troops who had 85 + points
(Enough to go home) from the 1st Infantry Division. They were low on motar ammo
and M1 and M3 ammo. Later on several Germans were hurt by shoe mines planted
along the side of the cliff close to where we were working. They only lost a leg a
piece. Lucky.
18th	 (James Rice of Portland, Texas, 1st Division was in the assault. He made it with our
a scratch. We worked together a few summers ago.)
19th	 "C" Company left Regan and arrived in Herbertsfelden (built 257 foot timber bridge
in Eggensfelden) 85 points or the CBI. The Radio Section sets up in a trailer.
This area was to be given to the Russians and I heard that some of our group went
through the area with trucks and stripped anything that was useful. Some of the
people were also leaving. The area east of us is under Russian Army control. All
Hell was breaking loose in the next town.
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�20th

No American was allowed to enter the Russian side of the line.


21st

We were still moving Equipment and working on the bridge.


22nd

Another bridge was built across a near by river for the same reason. We finished the

bridge this afternoon. I sure was glad .. I got off that night.

23rd

LtB" Company had a big party to celebrate the finishing of our bridge.

Everyone was

drunk as we could get. We really had a night.

We were under orders not to tell the people the Russian would take over when we
left.
24th

We left Eger at 0700. We went through Regensburg to Staudach.

25th

We worked on the roads on the Main Supply Route and hauled 2 loads of gravel.
We traded for some eggs. Good Trade, I pack of cig. for two dozen eggs, salt, and
fire wood.

26th

I stayed in today. I had guard duty last night.

27th

"B" Company had a rough time. Five of us were out working on filling 2 holes. We

traded a farmer out of 50 eggs. We took this afternoon off to eat them.
28th

We stayed in to prepare to move the next day.

29th

"B" Company left Staudach to move to Grieskirchen.
straightened out. We are living in a castle with a moat.

Spent the day getting

I pulled guard duty on the approach road. I stood at a spot where a big German war
dog watched me. His master kept him under control. A German staff car with 3
officers sped past me. I yelled halt 3 times. On the third halt, they slammed on the
brakes. A MG in the castle tower was trained on them. He did not have to shoot.
I don't know what happened to the 3 Germans.

30th

We were not supposed to get out of the castle. However, few were left inside. We
had an inspection of M1 and M3's. Everyone passed. Nothing had been cleaned in
3 weeks.

31st

We went on road work today. What a farce. We stood on the side of the road all
day long.

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�JUNE 1945


1st	

"B" Company worked on roads today. We hauled hotmix 3 miles. We are having a

rough time. They are doing anything to keep us out on the roads.
2nd	

We used a bunch of POWs to work. We worked them 2 hours and had to return
them. We had a round trip drive over 100 miles. Boy do we burn gasoline.

3rd	

"B" Company is leaving tomorrow so we have to get things ready.

We went

swimming. We were chewed out for it. The water was very cold.
4th	

We left Grieskircher and moved to Neukirchen. Boy were we lucky. We only went
50 miles out of the way. We can get a good view of the Alps from here. We went
swimming today. The water was very cold. Everyone tried it only once.

6th	

"C" Company moved from Hebertsfelden to Wilding, near Frankenmarkt, Austria

(Garrison training begins). Hedy Lamarr honeymooned here. The rains came and
the duffle bags went.
"B" Company rode all over the country looking for a POW camp.

We went to a

show tonight and swam this afternoon. It was a swell pool.
7th	

We worked a group of SS troups today. We straightened up our equipment on the
trailers. It was some job. Glad they had to do it for-us. They did a good job. They
wanted to come with us because we had food. The Germans for the most part were
out of food.

8th	

We sent to Berchtesgaden and saw Hitler's home at Obersalzberg. The place is
really torn up. There is a nice lake there. The buildings were still smoldering.

9th	

"C" Company left Wilding, and moved to Redl, Austria. We collect ourselves after
the flood, a night in the theater.

/~" Company left Neukirchen and moved to Amerang.

We are living in a guest

'\house. All of us have feather beds. (Really living it up.)
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10th	 "C" Company left Redl, and arrived in Oberholswang, Germany. The Field Artillery
helps us find bullets. The Gesthaus was big, but it was dry.
"B" Company straightened up. They told us this was our last move before the big
move. I sent out my washing.

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�11th	

We heard there where 160+ Purple Hearts given out in the Battalion and 8 Bronze
Stars in the "B" Company. The last 4 Bronze Stars were to give 4 fellows 85 point
to get out now and not have to go to the PTO. They deserved it.

12th	 "C" Company left Oberholswang, and arrived in Kricheiselfing, Germany. Garrison
life gets underway in a baby factory, and .Stars and Stripes says the Third Army will
occupy Germany.
14th	 We had an outboard motor from the Rhine River assault and found a SS Storm
Trooper assault boat. We took them to a lake near Obing. We saw a blown bridge
240 feet high. They told us it was the highest bridge in Germany.
15th	 We made a surf board for the boat to have more fun with. I learned how to ride the
board.
16th	

We sent to the lake and rode the surf board again.

17th	

Returned to Obing lake for rest.

18th	 A soldier was killed on guard at Wassenburg at the bridge over the Inn River.
Approximately 12 KM from Amerang. We doubled the guards at 0200.
19th	

We doubled the guard tonight. A Jeep and 2 of our men were fired on. I broke out
and gave ammo to myself, Pemn, Scargrough, 'Menker, Wagner, and a couple of
others. We were not allowed to have ammo at this time, orders. We went out on
patrol to take care of the snipers. No action. The Germans called themselves the
werewolfs. When they found we had been active front line infantry they cut out the
horse play and we never had any trouble with the Germans again. The word spread
fast. Others were not so lucky.

20th	 Two guards were killed on the Super Highway about 20 KL from here early this
morning.
21st	

Things have quieted down around here and it appears as though it is safe in this
area.

22nd	 ?
23rd	 "B" Company was ordered to build on air strip near Munchen for L-5's and 2 motor
planes.
We checked the area and found a camouflaged air strip with off ramps to store the
planes. The Germans did an excellent job of hiding this base. We got out of a lot
of work. We went to a show.
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�24th	

,~e spent the

~g Ludwigs

day in Prien. We went swimming in the afternoon. We sent to see
castle on an island in the Chremsee. It's really beautiful.

25th	 "B" Company received 2 Battalion of German volunteer workers today. They built
their own shelters fast. This was a surprise.
25th	 All of the Germans were SS Troops. They were special at some jobs. Their food
came from Germany QM. No trouble at all to guard.
27th	 I cleaned my MG tonight. We guarded 2 battalion approximately 1500 men with 12
men and 4 MG's located on the corner of the camp. We would have more prisoners
in the morning that we had the night before. The Germans went out and found their
friends. They would wake us up then they left the compound and when they
returned. Food was short for all the Germans. It is strange when you can guard
1500 plus troops with 12 men. The only food was in the compound.
28th	 It is rumored that we were alerted. I went to the show tonight. It was a good show.
29th	 Official alert of the 1252nd Engr Combat Battalion, destination unknown. It hope
it is the States first. God help us out.
30th//We finished packing equipment, and saw Jack Benny usa show this afternoon. Sure
,\( was good. I got a shot for typhus. Eighty new replacements are corning into the
Battalion to bring it up to full strength.
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.JULY 1945
1st	

This morning the ones with over 85 points left. Some of them were very good friends
of mine. I sure hated to leave them. But they have served their time.

2nd	

Didn't do much today. It rained all day. The lG's came around today. Little did
we know we would beat the 85ers home. The bunch really put up a howl.

3rd	

Rained all day. This morning all weapons were checked by the ordnance and
vehicles were checked to replace all shortages. Also, replacement clothes carne in.

4th	

It rained all day. We went to the Red Cross and the show tonight. Finished packing
our equipment and stored it. It looks like it is direct shipment to the CBl or PTa.

5th	

Received all shortages of equipment. The lG said it was T.S. but we were going
direct to the CBl or PTa. I had guard tonight.

6th	

I got my other 2 battle stars today and good conduct ribbon. Just fooled around the
rest of the day. "B" Company finally beat "A" Company in softball. This was the first

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�time this happened.
7th	

I rested up. We went to the show that night.

8th	

I slept all morning, fooled around all day and went to the show at night. I thought
it was a usa show bu t it wasn't.

9th	

"B" Company went on the range this morning to zero in our Ml's. "Old Betsy" is in
perfect working order. Scored 51 out of 60. I was in top 5 of Company and went
to the show tonight.

10th	 I fooled around all day. I had to clean "Betsy" tonight also my m.g.
11th	 It looks like we are going directly to the CHI. We ordered all necessary equipment
for the CHI. Went to the show tonight. Checked my Service record.
12th	 I got a vaccination for small pox. Slept all morning. They completed a two day
round up of SS men today. Even found one of Benito Mussolini's cabinet members
in the raids at Amerang.
An American Captain (Airborne Division) had been in town for several days getting
things lined up. We heard they flew in his personal plane to pick him up.

13th	 I had my teeth checked today, all were ok. We went to the Red Cross and then a
show.
14 - 15th ????????
16th

I had guard duty tonight.
//
17th_/ Pimm made Sgt, Geisler Cpl. We loaded trucks with equipment. All men who have
, over 75 service points left this afternoon. Hughs and Jones left. Hated to see them
" go. Foxhole buddies. They have served their time.
18th	 "B" Company left Amerang this morning at 0900. The Civilians came out and waved
to us. We rode all day and stopped at 1700 outside of ???????????? "B" Company
played ball tonight.
19th	 We left at 0700. Recrossed the Rhine River a lot easier than crossing it the first
time. We saw the Erney Pyle Monument at the rail road bridge at ????????????
We stopped outside ?????????????? at 1730 and went swimming.
20th	 We left at 0700. We stopped at a GI Joe rest stop for coffee and sandwich. We
arrived in Nancy at 1430. I had a 6 hour pass. We really had a good time.
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�21st

We left at 0700. We rode all day to another Gi Joe. We arrived at Dijon at 1530.
I took a shower, saw a show, made $40 tonight with the cubes.

22nd

We left at 0630. We rode all day to another GI Joe stop. There were no passes
tonight. We went swimming in the Rhone River. We arrived at 1630 in ??????????

23rd . Reveille was at 0430. We left at 0600. We arrived at Calas Marshaling area at 1700.
It was rocky, rolling, sandy ground. There were 14 men tents with cots and showers.
Mountains were in back ground. \Ve will just have to wait.
24th

We went to the show tonight.

25th

I took the Cholera shot today. We turned in our Engr. Equipment today. I had a
6 hour pass to Marseille tonight. It is really some time.

26th

We went through the gas chamber this morning. Saw a
tonight.

27th

We got all the trucks ready to turn in today. We saw a

28th

We packed all guns in the company. The Battalion sure caught Hell for it. The Staff
Sgt. was there. The Platoon had 10 gallons of ice cream. I saw a stage show in
French. It sure is good to be in a rear area command.

29th

We banded 3/4 of the equipment and marked it. It won't be long now. PTO. We
went to the 20th Corps band concert, then saw a usa show.

usa stage show and one
usa Show.

30-31 ?????????????
AUGUST 1945
1st

We were told straight that we were going to the PTO direct. We are supposed to
go to the ???????????? from all indications.

2nd

I took the 2nd Cholera shot today and it is making my arm sore. It knocked a
couple of men flat in the tent. They were sick tonight.

3rd

Had an 8 hour pass to Marseille. We really got drunk. Had my picture taken.

4th

I heard today that our equipment will start to be loaded. We are to sail before the
last of the month, straight through to the PTO.

5th

We were paid today.

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�6th

We had 10 gallons of ice cream for the platoon.

7th

I saw the Betty Hutton usa stage show last night, It was good. She really puts on
an act. Later she had a nervous breakdown from the show.

8th

Today we got rid of the organizational equipment. We are getting lectures from men
back from the PTO. We are training to put in at Foot Bridges..
We heard about the atom bomb today.

9th

Russia declared war on Japan today. The war should be over soon and another atom
bomb was dropped.

10th

I was in a Japanese mine class today when we heard that Japan had thrown in the
towel. I sure hope so. I don't like their mines.

11-12-13 ?????????????
14th	 Today the Texas Aggies had a big get together but I couldn't get off guard. I
couldn't go. Lt. Condron said he signed for me. I expect the war to end soon.
Guards were doubled.
15th	 I heard the war was over at 0330. I' was sure glad. Most of the troops went to
church today. All Hell broke loose tonight. 30 wese killed and a lot were wounded.
Friendly fire in the camp.
16th

I had a pass to Marseille today. All shipments to the CBI and PTO stopped. Boy
am I glad. Now we can go home. I hope.

17th

GI's inspection this morning. I had a pass to go to the beach. It reminds me of
Corpus. We are heading for the states.

18th

Clothing inspection this morning.

19th

Another clothing inspection

20th

We found out what camps we go to in the USA. I go to Ft. Sam. Part of the TAT
was loaded out tonight. It wont be long now.

21st

Turned in our gas masks today and some other equipment. We were restricted to
the company area today. We should board a ship soon.

~nd

each platoon received 10 gallons of ice cream.

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�22nd	 The 1252nd BN is in charge of the ship.
Today we finished loading the TAT (To Accompany Troops). We got everything
ready to go all packed up. We are really sweating it out.
23rd	 We boarded the ship Bienville at 1630, .It is a nice ship. I pulled KP for supper.
Good chow. For the record I was always the top ranked non com that pulled KP
duty. The 1252 BN keeps its bunks the rest double up on 12 hour shifts.
24th	 We left the dock at Marseille at 1520. We were out of site of land at 1800. Gentle
sea. The ship is rolling a little. There are 2300 men on board, all ready to go home.
It was rumored that the ship carrying our equipment went on to the PTO.
25th	 Smooth sea. Last night 12 were sick due to the waves. Weather is warm. Passed
the ?????????? Islands from 1200 to 1600.
26th	 I had KP for supper. We fed 2500 men in 3 hours and 45 minutes. Still warm.
Passed Rock of Gibraltar at 1230 today. It is some rock. We also saw Spain and
North Africa.
27th

This morning it is colder and a little rougher. I went to a show tonight. We are
really traveling now to get away from 'a storm.

28th

Rough sea, white caps, a little rain. It is rough as hell this afternoon. The ship is
really rolling. I was sea sick for awhile, but was OK afterwards.

29th

The sea has calmed down but the winds are really blowing up. It is w armer today.
I was on KP duty for supper. We sure ate well.

30th

Smooth sea. I started taking penicillin shots for a cyst infection un der my ear.
Passed the Azores Islands this morning.

31st

Smooth at sea. Spent last night in sick bay taking shots. We had an excellent
breakfast. I went to a show tonight.
SEPTEMBER 1945

1st	

I pulled KP duty for breakfast. It rained most of the day but we are making good
time. The ship is riding smooth.

2nd	

Today was VJ day. I sure am glad. Now maybe the world can settle down and work
for a United Peace.

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I took a GI physical and was told to get out the OD's to land in. We filled out
custom slips. We heard the ship came across on auxiliary engines to speed the
crossing.

4th	

The skipper of another ship carrying rear area support troops turned up his speed
and reached port during the night. Ws:.. had all combat troops on our ship. The
troops on the other ship marched in the victory parade in Boston. We went straight
to Camp Myles Standish. It is a nice camp. I had KP duty for breakfast. Sighted
land at 0800. Boston and the Fire Boats gave us a royal welcome. I set foot on-US
soil at 1700. What a supper tonight.

5th	

I fooled around all morning. I ate ice cream all afternoon. Camp Myles Standish
is a nice camp. Went to usa Stage Show tonight.

6th	

I fooled around today. I went to a

7th	

The Company started leaving out at 0500. We leave for Texas at 1610. It took us
all night to leave New York State.

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day pass. Mickner, Deaton, Hanks, Dele Farse?, and Murray had a party. I saw
some friends in San Antonio and left for home.
12th	 I arrived home, Taft, Texas, at 0645. I sure am glad to be home. The place looks
like it used to look.
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1944. Also, that 2 ships were sunk in our crossing to England on board the HMS
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�PIPESTONE TOWNSHIP PLANNING C01MISSION
AOOPI'ION RESOUJI'ION

PIPF.STONE TOWNSHIP GENERAL DEVELOR1ENT PLAN
WHEREAS,

the Township Rural Zoning Act, Act 184, P.A. 1943, as
amended through 1978, stipulates the provisions of a
township zoning ordinance should be based upon a plan
designed to promote the public health, safety, morals,
and general welfare, to encourage the use of lands in
accordance with their character and adaptability and to
limit the improper use of land, among other things; and

WHEREAS,

the Township Planning Commission Act, Act 169 P.A. 1959,
as amended, requires the planning commission shall make
and adopt a basic plan as a guide for the developnent of
unincorporated portions of the township, and such plan
shall include the planning commission's recommendations
for the physical development of the unincorporated area
of the township; and

WHEREAS,

the Pipestone Township Planning Commission has, during
the period of May, 1986, to October, 1986, prepared such
basic plan for the purpose of encouraging and guiding
orderly and efficient future growth and development of
the township; and

WHEREAS,

in accordance with Act 168 P.A. 1959, as amended,
notices of public hearing have been duly published and on
December, 1986, a public hearing was held at the
Pipestone Township Hall for the purpose of making public
explanation of the proposed development plan and
receiving public comments and recommendations regarding
the plan; and

WHEREAS,

the Pipestone Township Planning Commiss i on has given due
consideration to public comments presented at the
hearing, a public record of which is on file with the
township clerk:

BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED, the Pipestone Township Planning Commission hereby
approves and adopts the Pipestone Township General
Development Plan dated December 1, 1986, as the plan
required by the aforementioned state legislative acts to
encourage and guide further gro~th and development of the
township in an orderly manner.

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RFSOLVED ON nus 2, DAY OF FEBRUARY, 1987, AT A REGULAR MEETING OF THE
PIPFSTONE 'l'a\lNSHIP PLANNING CXM1ISSION ACCORDING TO THE FOLLOWING V&lt;YI'FS OF
THE PLANNING CXM1ISSION MEMBERS:

Yes
Merrit Kirk
Herbert Hasse
Bruce Dustin
Harold McCarthy
Vern Holle
Robert Bishop
Donald Hettig

No

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Merrit Kirk
Planning Commission Chairman

Planning Commission Secretary

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�PIPESTONE TOWNSHIP BOARD
ENIX)RSEMENT RF.SOillrION

PIPESTONE TOWNSHIP GENERAL DEVELOFMENT PLAN
WHEREAS,

the Pipestone Township Planning Commission has been
established pursuant to the Township Planning Commission
Act, Act 168 P.A. 1959, as amended; and

WHEREAS,

in accordance with provisions of the aforementioned act,
the planning commission has prepared a basic plan, known
as the Pipestone Township General D'evelopment Plan, dated
December 1, 1986, to encourage and guide orderly future
growth and development in the township; and

WHEREAS,

the planning corrmission has given proper notices of
public hearing, and helf a public hearing on December 1,
1986, at the township hall, a record of which is on file
in the office of the township clerk; and

WHEREAS,

the Pipestone Township Board has been kept infonned of
the preparation of the basic plan, has been represented
on the work committee responsible for preparation of the
plan, and had representatives in attendance at the public
hearing:

BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED, that the Pipestone Township Board hereby endorses
the preparation and adoption of the basic plan by the
planning commission and, further, endorses the content of
the plan and its policies and recommendation regarding
orderly and efficient future growth and development in
Pipestone Township.

RESOLVED ON TIIIS

Pipestone Township Supervisor

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Herbert Hasse
Pipestone Township Clerk

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�I INTRODUCTION

Tiie Pipestone Township Planning Conmission fllllctions in accordance with
provisions of the Township Planning Act, Act 168, Michigan Public Acts of 1959,
as amended, and the Township Rural Zoning Act, Act 184, Michigan Public Acts of
1943, as amended.
Pursuant to the duties and responsibilities set forth in the above
legislation, the township planning commission has prepared this general
develoµnent plan for the following purpose:
To promote public health, safety, and general welfare; to encourage the use
of resources in accordance with their character and adaptability; to avoid
the overcrowding of land by buildings or people; to lessen congestion on
public roads and streets; to facilitate provision for a system of
transportation, sewage disposal, safe and adequate water supply, recreation
and other public improvements; and to consider the character of the
township and its suitability for particular uses ,judged in terms of such
factors as the trend in land and population development.
The scope of this general development plan includes a brief review of
Pipestone Township's history--it's people, early developments and resources;
discussion and analysis of the Township's population in terms of the past,
present, and projections for the future; a review and analysis of such pertinent
factors as natural features, soils, utilities and transportation; a study of the
economy; the existing land use pattern; goals for future development of Pipestone
Township; and projections for desirable future land use.
After considering the possible implications of future development in the
Township--particularly unguided, indiscriminate developrnent--the Pipestone
Township Planning Commission decided to proceed with the preparation of a general

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�developnent plan and a revised zoning ordinance to implement the goals and
policies of the general develoµnent plan.

The Township Planning Conmission

requested technical assistance from the Berrien County Planning Conmission to
help prepare the developnent plan and revise the zoning ordinance.

Both

documents will receive a legal review by the township's attorney.
It should be emphasized that this general development plan is not an
ordinance.

It cannot, in itself, control land use and development.

purpose of the zoning ordinance.

This is the

Rather, it is the plan referred to in the

Township Rural Zoning Act, P.A. 184 of 1943, as amended, being the basis on
which the zoning ordinance is developed.

The plan suggests goals and policies

for desirable future growth and development; the zoning ordinance is an
implementation tool for realization of the plan.
The plan, of course, is not a static document.

It should be reviewed and

updated periodically, at least every three years, in keeping with changing
conditions and their implications for future growth.

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�II HISTORICAL SKETCH/GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION
HISTORICAL SKETCH
(This brief presentation of the early history of Pipestone Township is
based on the book Berrien Bicentennial, 1976, by James T. Carney, portions of
which are quoted or paraphrased hereafter without additional citation.
The first family to settle in Pipestone Township is identified as James
Kirk, his wife, and seven children.

This was in April of 1837 and the family

lived in a cloth tent and pole shanty until neighbors from distant communities
helped him erect a log cabin.
Dr. Morgan Enos, the Township's first physician, also settled there in
1837.

He hired Crawford Hazard and Nathaniel Brant to cut roads from Millburg.

These gentlemen also settled in Pipestone Township to work for
Dr. Enos .
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Robert Ferry, an Irish immigrant, is also recorded as having moved to the
Township in 1837.

Mr. Ferry eventually expanded his holdings to over 1,000 acres

and was buried on his old homestead.
It was not until 1842 that Pipestone Township was set off as a separate
township.

James La.rue was elected as the first Township Supervisor and Morgan

Enos was elected Clerk.
In the early 1840's, William Boughton and Joab Enos laid out a village and
called it Pipestone.

Growth of the village was very slow.

By 1846, the Township's population had grown to about 300.

It was at this

same time that the Village of Pipestone obtained a post office and William
~ughton was the first Postmaster.
In 1850 a German Settlement started in the northeast part of the Township.
William Hackstatt, Henry Stevens, and Henry Tulker came as a group with their
families from Cincinnati.

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�About 1853, the Village of Pipestone was renamed "Shanghai" after a breed
of chickens that Dr. Enos was raising.

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The first merchant in Shanghai was John

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Garrow.

Mr. Garrow owned a store, a smoke-house, and a sawmill.

later took over the store and also served as Justice of the Peace.

James Haskins

By 1880,

Shanghai contained two stores, at least a dozen homes, a school, and two
blacksmith shops.

Shanghai's growth was slowed in 1881 when the railroad avoided

the village and passed a mile or so to the west.
It

was

at the location of the railroad that a new village named "Hartman",

in honor of the farmer that donated the land,

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started.

Several stores and.an

express office were located in Hartman.
Two Township residents, Amos R. Green and Harvey Franz, self-taught
archaeologists, became well known throughout the state and were honored by the
Michigan Archeological Society.
William Teichman brought his Skyline Orchards into the spotlight in 1941
when he brought a new variety of peaches, Redhavens, onto the market.

William's

son, Herbert, has carried on the family tradition by being a leader in
intrcxiucing mechanical fruit harvesting methods to the fruit belt.

The Teichman

famil y is also well known for the official U.S. Weather Station they have
operated for over 50 years.

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�GEXXiRAPHIC LOCATION
Pipestone Township is located in the central portion of Berrien County on
the eastern edge.

It is approximately 100 miles east of Chicago, Illinois, 25

miles north of South Bend, Indiana, 45 miles southwest of Kalamazoo, Michigan,
and 200 miles southwest of Detroit, Michigan.

It is bounded on the east by Cass

County, on the north by Bainbridge Township, on the west by Scxius Township, and
on the south by Berrien Township.
Pipestone Township is a rural township bounded by similarly rural
townships .

The nearest urbanized areas are Niles and St. Joseph-Benton Harbor.

Pipestone Township is part of the Benton Harbor Metropolitan Statistical Area and
is identified as census tract 105.
The nearest major transportation route is I-94, which is 7.5 miles north of
the Township .

M-140, a state highway, crosses the Township in a north-south

direction while M-62 is situated across the bottom of the Township running in an
east west direction.

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NATURAL FEAWRES

GEOLOOY/TOro:m.APHY

Pipestone Township lies in the Southern Upland geophysical region in
Michigan's lower peninsula.

The Township is characterized by the Berrien -

Allegan highland section of this southern upland region which consists of areas
of relatively strong relief.

The Township is part of the Valparaiso Morainic

system with the ridges extended in a general northeast to southwest direction.
The soils are mainly sandy with a high protection of clay drift.

The bedrock in

Pipestone Township is mainly Coldwater Shale overlain with glacial drift.

This

galcial drift averages approximately 150 feet deep throughout the Township.

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The existing topographical features of Pipestone Township are primarily due
to the effects of the glaciers.

The Township's gently rolling or undulating

topography was formed by the advancing and retreating glaciers.

The ridges

fonned in this manner are called moraines and consist of till which is a random
mixture of silt, clay, sand, gravel, and rock fragments.

Other surface

fonna.tions created by the glaciers include outwash plains, lake beds, and glacial
spillways.
The elevation in the Township varies from a low around 620 feet above sea
level in the area where Farmers Creek exists the Township to a high of 870+ feet
above sea level on the central-eastern edge of the Township.
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pronounced on the east and west sides of the Township with the center being
relatively level.

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County.

Through this survey they learned what soils are in Berrien County, where

they are, and how they can be used.

They observed the steepness, length, and

shape of the slopes; the size of streams and the general pattern of drainage; the
kinds of native plants or crops; and the kind of rocks.

The soils were

classified and named according to nationwide uniform procedures.
This plan contai ns bo th a general soil map and de tailed soil maps for
Pipestone Township.

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�This general soil map shows broad areas that have a distinctive pattern of
soils, relief, and drainage.
landscape.
soils.

Each map unit, or association, is a unique natural

Each association consists of one or more major soils and some minor

It is named for the major soils.

The soils making up one association can

occur in other associations, but in a different pattern.
This general soil map can be used to compare the suitability of large areas
for general land uses.
planning purposes.

Because of its small scale, it is not suitable for site

The soils in any one association differ from place to place

in slope, depth, drainage, and other characteristics that may affect the
management of a particular site.
Brief descriptions of the soil associations in Pipestone Township are
listed below.
Riddles-Ockley-Oshtemo Association:

Nearly level to very steep, well

drained, loamy soils on outwash plains, morained, and till plains.
the soils in this association are farmed.
these soils are used as woodland.
erosion.

Most of

Where the slopes are steep,

The main problem in cultivated areas is

Riddles and Ockley soils generally are fairly suited to well

suited to septic tank absorpti0n fields in areas where slopes are less than
12 percent.

Oshtemo soils and other soils that have slopes of more than 12

percent are poorly suited to septic tank absorption fields.
have poor filtering capacity.

Oshtemo soils

These soils are fairly to well suited to

building site develoµnents.
Pella-Kibbie Association:

Nearly level, poorly drained and somewhat poorly

drained, silty and loamy soils on outwas plains, lake plains, and deltas.
Most of the soils in this association are fanned.

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Some areas are left

�idle or are in woodland.

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Ponding is conman in low areas.

The soils in

this association are well suited to cultivated crops, hay, and pasture.
The soils in this association are poorly suited to build.init site
develoµnents and septic tank absorption fields.

Wetness is the main

limitation for Kibbie soils, and ponding is the main limitation on Pella
soils.
Blount-Rimer Association:

Nearly level and gently sloping, somewhat poorly

drained, loamy and sandy soils on till plains and moraines.
soils in this association have been cleared and drained.
used for cultivated crops, hay, and pasture.
undrained areas.
limitations.

Most of the

They are often

There are some swampy,

Wetness and restricted penneability are the main

These soils are poorly suited to building site developments

and septic tank absorption fields due to a high water table.
Cx:!klev-Oshtemo Association:

Nearly level to steep, well drained, loamy

soils on outwash plains and moraines.
association are farmed.

Most of the soils in this

The main problems of management are erosion

control, slope, and soil blowing.

Draughtiness is a problem on the Oshtent

soils during the midst.mllTler months.

The soils in this association are well

suited to hay, pasture, specialty crops, and trees.

The soils in this

association are fairly suited to well suited to recreation uses, buildi~
site developments, and septic tank absorption fields.
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capacity are the main limitations for Oshtemo soils.

Slope and filteri~
Slope and shrink-

swell potential are the main limitations on the Ockley soils.
Spinks-0akville-Oshterno Association:

Nearly level to very steep, well

drained, sandy and loamy soils on moraines, till plains, outwash plains,

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Most of the soils in this association are farmed.

blowing and draughtiness are concerns in -cultivated areas.

Soil

The soils in

this association are well suited to hay, pasture, woodland, and recreation
uses.

They are poorly suited to cultivated crops.

association can be irrigated.
productive.

Many areas of this

With proper management, these areas can be

This association is fairly suited to buildinlt site

developnents and septic tank absorption fields.

Slope and poor filtering

capacity of the soils are the main limitations.
The map units on Maps 5, 6, 7, and 8 ., Detailed Soil Maps, represent the
soils identified in those survey areas.

These maps used along with the following

map unit descriptions can be used to detennine the suitability and potential of a
soil for specific uses.

It should be not~ that this soil survey is a general

overview of the soils in Pipestone Township.

Individual site assessment may

still be necessary to determine soil capability for proJ.X)sed development.
Further infonnation of each of the soil types is contained in the Soil Survey of
Berrien County.

Copies of this document are available from the United States

Department of Agriculture Soil Conservation Service located at 3820 S. M-139, St.
Joseph, Michigan.

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Limitations for
Septic Tank
Absorption Fields

Soil Name

Cohoctall-Abscota sandy 1oams
Houghton muck
Adrian IIUCk
Palas ■uck
Oakville fine sand, 0 to 6 percent slopes
Oakville fine sand, 6 to 1B percent slopes
Oakville fine sand, 18 to 45 percent slopes
Oshte■o sandy loam, 0 to 6 percent slopes
Oshte■o sandy loam, 6 to 12 percent slopes
Oshte■o sandy loam, 12 to 18 percent slopes
Oshttm sandy loam, 18 to 35 percent slopes
Ockley loam, 0 to 2 percent slopes
Ockley loam, 2 to 6 percent slopes
Ockley loam, 6 to 12 percent slopes
Ockley loam, 12 to 18 percent slopes
Spinks loamy fine sand, 0 to 6 percent slopes
Spints loamy fine sand, 6 to 12 percent slopes
Spinks loamy fine sand, 12 to 18 percent slopes
Riddles loam, 2 to 6 percent slopes
Riddles loam, 6 to 12 percent slopes
Riddles loam, 12 to 1B percent slopes
Riddles loam, 18 to 45 percent slopes
GlyTM)Od loam, 6 to 12 percent slopes
Crosier silt loam, D to 4 percent slopes
Rensselaer silt loam
Brady sandy loam, 0 to 2 percent slopes
Gilford sandy loam
Monitor loam, 0 to 3 percent slopes
Sebewa loam
Lenawee silty clay loam
Pipestone sand, 0 to 2 percent slopes
Tustin loamy fine sand, 2 to 6 percent slopes
Tustin loamy fine sand, 6 to 12 percent slopes
Rimer loamy fine sand, 0 to 4 percent slopes
Cohoctah sandy 1oam
Belleville loamy fine sand
Kibble loam, 0 to 3 percent slopes
Pelh silt loam
Morley silt loam, 12 to 1B percent slopes
Morley silt loam, 18 to 25 percent slopes
Blount loam, 0 to 4 percent slopes
Aquents and Histosols, ponded
Pew-, silt loam
Granby loamy fine sand
Elvers silt loam
Morocco loamy sand, 0 to 2 percent slopes
Coupee silt loam, 0 to 3 percent slopes
Houghton-Kerston mucks
Abscota sandy loam, 0 to 6 percent slopes
Edwards muck
Martinsville fine sandy loam, 2 to 6 percent slopes
Martinsville fine sandy loam, 6 to 12 percent slopes
Thetford loamy sand, 0 to 2 percent slopes
Plainfield sand, 0 to 6 percent slopes
Whitaker loam, 0 to 2 percent slopes
Poy silt loam
Metea loamy sand, 1 to 6 percent slopes
Metea lo1my sand, 6 to 12 percent slopes
Selfridg~ loamy sand, 0 to 3 percent slopes
Udorthents and Udipsanments, 18 to 90 percent slopes
Landes Variant silt loam, 0 to 3 percent slopes
Shoals silt loam, 0 to 2 percent slopes
Granby-Morocco complex, 0 to 3 percent slopes
Plainfield-Urban land coniplex, 0 to 6 percent slopes
Thetford-Urban land complex, 0 to 3 percent slopes
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Udips-nts and Udorthents, o to 6 percent slopes
Rimer-Urban land complex, 0 to 4 percent slopes
Urban land
Osht--Urban land complex, 0 to 6 percent slopes
Riddles-Oshtemo complex, 1 to 6 percent slopes
~-Oshtemo complex, 1 to 6 percent slopes
Riddles-Oshtemo complex, 6 to 12 percent slopes
Riddles-Oshtemo complex, 6 to 12 percent slopes
Ri ddles-Oshtemo complex, 12 to 18 percent slopes
Ri ddles-Oshtemo comp l ex, 12 to 18 percent slopes
Cohoctah-Urban land complex
Oshte■o-Ockley comolex, 0 to 4 percent slopes
Oshteao-Ockley complex, D to 4 percent slopes

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Limitations for
Lawns and Landscaping

Severe : wetness, floods
Severe: ponding, percs slowly
Severe: ponding
Severe: subsides, ponding
Severe: poor filter
Severe: poor filter
Severe : slope, poor filter
Severe : poor filter
Severe: poor filter
Severe : poor filter, slope
Severe : poor filter, slope
Slight
Slight
Moderate: slope
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Severe : poor filter
Severe: poor filter
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Moderate: slope
Severe: slope
Severe: slope
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Severe: percs slowly, wetness
Severe: ponding, percs slowly
Severe: wetness, poor filter
Severe: ponding, poor filter
Severe: wetness, percs slowly
Severe: poor filter, ponding
Severe: ponding, percs slowly
Severe: wetness, poor filter
Severe: percs slowly, poor filter.
Severe: percs slowly, poor filter
Severe: wetness, percs slowly
Severe: wetness, floods
Severe: ponding, percs slowly
Severe: wetness
Severe : ponding
Severe: wetness, percs slowly, slope
Severe: wetness, percs slowly, slope
Severe : wetness, percs slowly

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Severe: ponding, low strength
Severe : ponding, low strength
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Moderate: slope
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Moderate: slope
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Moderate : slope
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Severe: floods, wetness
Severe : excess hin~s. ponding
Severe : excess humus, ponding
Severe: excess hinus, ponding
Moderate: droughty
Moderate: slope, draughty
Severe : slope
HOderate: small stones
Moderate: small stones, slope
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Severe : slope
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Moderate : wetness
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Moderate : wetness
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Severe : ponding
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Moderate : slope
Moderate: wetness, droughty
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Severe: slope
Severe : slope
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Severe : percs slowly, ponding
Severe : ponding, poor filter
Severe : ponding, percs slowly
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Severe: poor f il ter
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Severe : floods, wetness, poor f i lter
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Severe : poor filter
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Severe: percs slowly
Severe : percs slowly
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Severe : ponding
Severe : ponding
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�LAKES AND sm.F..AMS

There are six lakes located in Pipestone Township that are larger than
eight acres in size.

The following table describes these lakes.
Location

Size

Sec. 4, T5S, Rl7W

20 acres

Little Black Lake Sec. 3, TSS, Rl7W
Sec. 4, TSS, Rl7W

8 acres

Black Lake

Description
&amp; comnents
Clear, heavy weed
growth, muck
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state owned
public access
site.
Clear, muck
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Brush Lake

Sec. 36, TSS, Rl7W

62 acres

Most of the
lake is shallow
with muck bottom.
There are extreme
fluctuations in
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The southern tip
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Cass County.

Jarvis Lake

Sec. 1, T5S, Rl7W

20 acres

Spring fed, muck
bottom

Mud Lake

Sec. 21, T5S, Rl7W

8 acres

Clear, muck
shoreline

Rowe Lake

Sec. 2, T5S, Rl7W

30 acres

Clear, muck
shoreline

In addition to these lakes there are numerous ponds and smaller bodies of
water.

They are important for agricultural irrigation purposes and for providing

wildlife habitat.
There are three principal streams flowing through Pipestone Township.
Pipestone Creek is the largest.

This stream originates at Jarvis Lake and flows

in a westerly direction through the township.

Several county drains outlet into

Pipestone Creek before it enters Sodus Township where it eventually empties into

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�the St. Joseph River.

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Fanners Creek is a springfed creek that flows in a

southwesterly direction through the southwest portion of the township.

This

creek also empties into the St. Joseph River after leaving Pipestone Township.
Crooked Brook is a small springfed creek in the northwest corner of the township
that empties into Pipestone Creek.

It is used primarily as an outlet for

agricultural drainage systems.

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�CLIMATE

Prevailing winds from Lake Michiian moderate the air temperature of
Pipestone Township.

These lake breezes keep it cooler longer in the spring and

wanner for a longer period in the fall.

In winter the averaa;e temperature is 27

degrees F., and the average daily minimum temperature is 20 deirees F.

In sUJmer

the average temperature is 70 degrees F., and the averaie daily maxinn..nn
temperature is 81 degrees F.
The total annual precipitation is 35 inches.
percent, usually falls in April through September.

Of this, 20 inches, or 56
Average seasonal snowfall is

65 inches.
The average relative humidity in midafternoon is about 63 percent.

The sun

shines 67 percent of the time possible in summer and 37 percent in winter.
prevailing wind is from the south-southwest.

The nonnal frost-free ~rowi~

season is about 180 days.
Precipitation

Temperature
Month

Ave~e
Daily Maximum
F

Average
Daily Minimum
F

Daily
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Average

Snowfall

Inches

Inches

January
February
March
April
May
June
July
August
September
October
November
December

31.1
34.5
44.4
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70.3
79.8
83.4
81.7
74.5
63.6
47.6
35.3

17.0
19.9
27.5
38.3
48.1
58.2
62.2
60.6
53.8
44.1
32.9
22.5

24.1
27.2
36.0
48.7
59.2
69.0
72.8
71.2
64.1
53.8
40.2
28.9

2.31
1. 79
2.57
3.80
3.30
3.45
3.33
2.86
3.40
2.97
2.82
2.78

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�Source:

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United States Department of Agriculture, Soil Conservation Service, Soil Survei
of Berrien County, November, 1980.

Data compiled from 1948 - 1977 at Eau Claire, Michigan.

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�IV UTILITIES
WATER AND SEWAGE DISPOSAL
Currently Pipestone Township's water needs are being met by individual
wells.

Depth to the static water table averages 33 feet in Pipestone Township

with a maximum of 133 feet and a minimum of 8 feet.
feet with wells ranging from 32 to 207 feet in depth.
is available throughout most of the Township.

The average well depth is 89
Adequate clay protection

Nitrate problems have been

identified in the eastern half of Section 27 and the northwest quarter of section
23.

Flowing wells are quite common in Sections 1, 2, 3, 10, 12, and 14.

There

does not appear to be, at this time, any significant need for municipal water
services in the Township.
Map 8 is a groundwater map that was prepared by examining well log summary
sheets that were completed for each section (approximately one square mile) of
Pipestone Township.

The information on the summary sheets were compiled from

well logs filed by well drillers with the Berrien County health Department.
since well logs have only been required by law since 1967, little or no
infonnation was included for wells installed before that time.

Interviews were

also held with several well drillers to obtain information and the map was
modified to reflect infonnation provided by persons knowledgeable of the area.
Additional information on individual well logs should be obtained from the
Berrien County Health Department.
The map identifies three types of groundwater areas in Pipestone Township:
1.

areas where there are no apparent groundwater problems.

2.

areas where there are groundwater problems for which
there are lmown solutions or adjustments.

3.

areas in which there is insufficient infonnation to make
an evaluation.

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MAP SOURCE:

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�Areas mapped as having correctable groundwater problems in Pipestone
Township are generally indicative of an acquirer that does not have protection of
at least ten feet of impervious soils or it is not known if the impervious soils
extend over the entire acquirer.
section.

In most cases, coloring was done by the quarter

This means that even though there may be infonna.tion on only one well

in the quarter section, the color was expanded as a general indication of
possible problem or lack of a problem.
Sewage disposal in Pipestone Township currently consists of individual
onsite septic tank systems.

Information on soils included in the Berrien Cotmty

Soil Survey indicate that approximately 15% of the Township's soils are of a type
which are well adapted for septic tank systems.

About 5% are classified as

"poorly adapted" or "moderat~ly well adapted" for residential development because
of poor drainage and percolation.

This leaves approximately 80% of the

Township's soils that are classified as "unadapted" for residential developnent.
These general areas of suitability are identified on Maps 9, 10, 11, and 12.
Sections 25 through 36 of Pipestone Township were included in a mtmicipal
wastewater treatment study.

This was the Berrien Township Facility Plan for

Wastewater Collection and Treatment, October, 1978 - facilities Planning for the
Village of Berrien Springs, Village of Eau Claire, Township of Berrien, Township
of Oronoko and Sections 25 through 36 of Pipestone Township.
This plan proposed two short sewer extensions on the Village of Eau Claire
system to serve residents of the Township.

The proposed system would have

serviced a few homes on Pipestone Road and a few homes on Ma.in Street.

After

public hearings the Township decided that there was not sufficient need for the
extensions to warrant their costs.

A resolution was then adopted by the Township

Board ending Pipestone Township involvement in the facility plan.

The two areas

proposed for sewer extensions were placed in the future service area for the Eau

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1his indicates the capacity is available if the Township ever

decides to pursue the installation of sanitary sewers for these areas.
Since the Township does not, at least in the near future, contemplate the
installation of municipal sewer facilities, soils will be of critical importance
in detennining location of future developnent.

Adequate lot size and proper

separation of septic systems from groundwater wells should be maintained to avoid
pollution problems.
Source:
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�ELECTRIC

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Electric service is provided throughout the Township by Indiana &amp; Michigan
Electric Company.

Power is available in sufficient quantities at all locations,

thus it poses no restrictions on develoµnent.
TELEPHONE

Telephone service is provided by two separate phone companies, Michigan
Bell Telephone Company and General Phone Company.

Their service areas are

identified on Map 13.
NATURAL GAS
Gas service is supplied by Michigan Power Company.
currently available in the areas identified on Map 13.

Natural gas service is
Supply is considered

adequate to meet anticipated growth.

SOLID WASTE DISrosAL
Collection of solid waste in Pipestone Township is left to arrangements
between the residents and collecting contractors.

Individuals may also talce

their solid waste directly to a landfill on their own.
There are no landfills located in Pipestone Township.

The Township is a

member of the Tri-Township Landfill Authority which also includes Berrien
Township, Oronoko Township, and the Village of Berrien springs.

This Authority

owns and contracts for the operation of a 10 acre landfill site in Berrien
Township.

This landfill is not licensed under Act 641 of 1978, the Solid Waste

Management Act.

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Due to geological conditions at the site (lack of clay) it is

anticipated that this landfill will be closed in the near future.

The Authority

has not made any definite plans on whether they will try to license a new site or
develop an alternative method of disposal.
The nearest licensed landfill is the Orchard Hill Sanitary Landfill which
is approximately seven miles north of the T0t,inship in Watervliet Township.

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about six years of capacity remaining.

The company has 55 acres licensed with

They own additional land adjacent to the

existing fill site but have not released any plans concerning expansion.
CXXJNTY DRAIN SYSTEM

The locations of existing county drains within Pipestone Township are
illustrated on Map 14.

The majority of these drains are constructed of

underground tile and open ditches.

The primary purpose for the original

installation of these drains was to improve agricultural productivity although
now some of them also provide drainage for residential develoµnent.
By law, the County Drain Commissioner can only spend $800 per mile per year

for nonnal drain maintenance and assess the costs against landowners in the
drainage district on his own initiative.

If a new drain is to be built or costly

repairs and upgrading undertaken on an existing drain, a petitioning process must
take place.

If the project wins approval, landowners served by the drain are

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�V cxtMJNITY FACILITIES
SCHCX)LS
The school systems and facilities that serve the residents of Pipestone
Township are an important factor in the developnent of the convnunity.

Although

schools are one of the primary reasons people give for locating in a particular
location they are also one of the most difficult facilities to proiram into a
land use plan.

This is due to the limited amount of input that the township has

into the educational administration process.
Pipestone Township is served primarily by the Eau Claire School District.
Two small portions of the Township are also served by the Benton Harbor and
Do~iac School District (Map 15).

In addition to the public school system there

are several parochial schools available to Township residents.
Information provided by the Eau Claire School District indicates that the

The

existing facilities are adequate to meet the current trends in enrollment.
following chart lists enrollment figures for the Eau Claire School District
between 1980 and 1985.

TABLE 1
EAU CLAIRE SCHOOL DISTRICT
FOURTH FRIDAY ENROLI..NENT FIGURES

1980

1981

1982

1983

1984

1985

Spec. F.d.

362
134
374
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143
385
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416
167
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1 Addition of adult education classes accounts for part time students.
Membership based on Full Time Equivalency. Figures are not head counts.
3 Includes 118.3 Full Time Equivalents from Benton Harbor as Inter-District
Transfers.
4 Includes 179.5 FTE from Benton Harbor as Inter-District Transfers.
5 Includes 312.7 FTE from Benton Harbor and 1.3 FTE from Coloma as Inter-District
Transfers.
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�Universities and colleges within comnuting distance include:
Lake Michigan College
Southwestern Michigan College
Western Michigan University/WMU Continuing Education
Michigan State University Continui~ F.ducation Center
Andrews University
Notre Dame University
Indiana University of South Bend
Saint Mary's College
FIRE

Fire department services are provided for Pipestone Township by a
department composed of Pipestone Township, Berrien Township, and the Village of
Eau Claire.

The fire station is located ion the village (Map 16).

by a volunteer force consisting of 22 men.

Eighteen of these men have taken the

State of Michigan's 66 hour Fireman's Training Program.
rating for Pipestone Township is 8.

It is manned

The current insurance

Funding for the department is under an

agreement where the Village provides the building and its maintenance and the two
townships provide the manpower and equipnent.

The Fire Department's current

equiµnent inventory includes the following vehicles:
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Pumper, 750 gallon capacity, 750 gal./min. discharge
Pumper, 750 gallon capacity, 500 gal./min. discharge
Tanker, 1,500 gallon capacity, 250 gal./min. discharge
Mini-pumper/rescue truck, .250 gallon capacity, 250 gal. /min. discharge
Jeep grass fire fighting rig (on loan from Michigan Department of
Natural Resources)

RJLICE
The Township's police protection is provided by the Berrien County
sheriff's Department and the Michigan State Police.
HOSPITALS
The nearest hospital for the majority of Pipestone Township's residents is
Berrien General Hospital, which is approximately two miles south of Eau Claire.
In addition, residents have available Mercy-Memorial Medical Center, St. Joseph;

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Hospital in Watervliet.

These are all full service hospitals offering a full

range of in-patient and out-patient services.
LIBRARY
Pipestone Township contributes funding to the Eau Claire District Library.
This facility is located in the Village of Eau Claire.

(Map 16).

RECREATIONAL
The only public recreational facility in the Township is a public access
site on Black Lake that is owned and maintained by the Michigan Department of
Natural Resources.

Privately owned recreational areas include Pipestone Creek

Golf &amp; Tennis club and Indian Hills Golf Course.
TOWNSHIP PROPERTY
The Pipestone Township Hall is located one-half mile west of M-140 on Naomi

Road.

This building is used primarily for Township meetings (Map 16).
Other property owned by the Township includes three cemeteries.

These

include the Eau Claire Cemetery, which is almost at capacity, the Shanghai
Cemetery, and the Shanghai Memorial Cemetery.

These last two cemeteries contain

adequate space to meet the Township'~ needs for the forseeable future.

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�VI

FOPULATION

One major factor that needs to be taken into consideration during any type
of planning for the future of Pipestone Township are population trends.
Analyzing these trends can provide direction when planning for cocmrunity
develoµnent.

It can assist in trying to reach a balance between growth and

efficient develoµnent.
Projected population levels relate directly to land use.

Population levels

will also detennine the demand for convnunity facilities and governmental
services.
The following tables offer an examination and comparison of Pipestone
Township's population trends over the pa.st three decades.

Projections for future

population levels are also provided.
TABLE 2
FOPlJl.ATION GROW'IB:

1950-2000
BERRIEN COON'I'Y

PIPESTONE TOWNSHIP
Population
Count
Year

Change In
Number

Percent
Change

Population
Count

-

115,702

Change In
Number

Percent
Change

1950

1927

1960

2197

270

14.0

149,865

34,163

29.5

1970

2437

240

12.2

163,875

14,075

9.4

1980

2364

-73

-3.0

171,276

7,041

4.5

2050
1990
(projected)

-314

-13.3

169,000

-2,276

-1.3

2150
2000
(projected)

100

4.9

176,000

7,000

4. 1

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*

* SWMC/Provisional Population Projections - 1986.
38

�TABLE 3

1970-1980
POPUI.ATION CHANGE

Number of Persons

*Lincoln

2,513

*Oronoko

2,279

Coloma

969

Watervliet

860

Hagar

855

Royalton

533

*Baroda

499

*Berrien

397

Buchanan

389

*New Buffalo

295

Chikaming

251

*Three Oaks

151

*Galien

115

Bertrand

110

Bainbridge

95

Benton

86

Lake

66

M&gt;i.pestone

-58

Weesaw

-174

Scxius

-244

Niles

-249

*St. Joseph

-310

*includes villages or parts of villages within the township

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1970-1980
PERCENTAGE CHANGE IN PORJLATION
%

Watervliet

35.6

*Oronoko

26.9

*Baroda

23.0

*Lincoln

22.8

Coloma

22.1

Royalton

21.1

Hagar

20.9

Buchanan

12.2

*New Buffalo

11.4

*Berrien

10.2

*Galien

6.9

Chikaming

6.2

*Three Oaks

5.2

Bertrand

4.9

Bainbridge

3.4

Lake

3.1

Benton
Niles

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Weesaw

-7.4

Sodus

-9.7

*includes villages or perts of villages within the township

40

�TABLE 5

1970-1980

PERCENTAGE CHANGE IN roPULATION

;
*Lincoln

422.4

*St. Joseph

207.6

Coloma

135.8

Niles

129.7

*Oronoko

127.2

*New Buffalo

119.0

Buchanan

115.8

Royalton

115.4

Hagar

98.1

Watervliet

91.0

Chikaming

85.6

Bertrand

76.5

*Baroda

71.1

*Berrien

70.3

Lake

54.5

Bainbridge

31. 2

*Galien

29.4

Benton

26.0

*Three Oaks

23.3

SPipestooe

22.r

Weesaw

13.2

Sodus

8.0

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41

�TABLE 6

roruLATION DENSITY - 1980
PERSONS/ACRE
Weesaw

.09

Bertrand

.11

Bainbridge

.13

*Galien

.13

*Berrien

.13

Buchanan

.17

Sodus

.17

Lake

.19

*Three Oaks

.20

*New Buffalo

.22

*Baroda

.23

Royalton

.27

Chikaming

.31

Watervliet

.36

Hagar

.38

Coloma

.43

*Oronoko

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Niles

.54

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Benton

.91

*Lincoln

1.14

*St. Joseph

2.23

Berrien County

.46

*includes villages or parts of villages within the township

42

�TABLE 7

roPULATION CHARACTERISTICS - 1980
PIPESTONE TOWNSHIP

BERRIEN COUNTY

AGE
Total Persons

2364

Under 5
5 to 9 years
10 to 14 years
15 to 19 years
20 to 24 years
25 to 34 years
35 to 44 years
45 to 54 years
55 to 64 years
65 to 74 years
75 years and over

163
167
222
259
178
317
302
299
230
131
96

3 and 4 years
16 years and over
18 years and over
21 years and over
60 years and over
62 years and over

50
1758
1648
1515
328
283

Median

30.9

% of Total

6.90
7.06
9.39
10.96
7.53
13.41
12.77
12.65
9.73
5.54
4.06
2.12 _
74.37
69.71
64.09
13.87
11.97

171,276

% of Total

13,126
14,087
15,192
16,445
14,189
26,376
18,982
17,472
16,641
11,367
7,399

7.66
8.23
8.87
9.60
8.28
15.40
11.08
10.20
9.72
6.64
4.32

5,080
125,468
118,595
109,557
26,301
23, 157

2.97
73.25
69.24
63.97
15.34
13.52

29.5

RACE

White
Black
American Indian, Eskimo, Aleut
Asian and Pacific Islander
Other

2128
180
11

98.31
1.01
.60

2

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43

43

144,007
24,817
593
822
1,037

84.08
14.49
.35
.48
.60

�TABLE 8
HOUSING CHARACTERISTICS - 1980
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HOUSING

BERRIEN COONTY

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987

100

68,758

100

Vacant, seasonal, migratory

161

16.31

3,342

4.86

Year-round

826

83.69

65,416

95.14

Owner-occupied. housing units

625

75.67

42,463

64.91

Renter-occupied. housing units

145

17.55

17,813

27.23

56

6.78

5,140

7.86

Total housing units

YEAR-ROUND

Vacant housing units
Median Value owner-occupied

31,900

33,900

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44

�The 1980 census count for Pipestone Township, according to the U.S. Census
Bureau, was 2364.

This was only 36 people less than was projected.

1980 the Township's population decreased by 73 persons.

From 1970 to

A slight decrease in

population is projected to continue throughout this century.
These tables indicate a rather stable population.
pressures for residential developnent in the near future.

This will reduce
This will pennit the

majority of the Township's land to remain in agricultural production.
Even though population trends do not indicate the potential for strong
developnent pressures there is still a need to direct what growth does occur.
Sound community developnent can lower the demand for governmental services and
truces required to support them.

45

�VII TRANSroRTATION
(

OOAD SYS'ID1

The highway and road network in Pipestone Township provides two basic
functions, moving traffic and providi~ access to property.

Both of these

functions are important and can best be accomplished by developing and
maintaining a system of roads providing for varying levels of service.

These

levels of service can be classified as follows:
1.

Highways

designed to accoovnodate the movement of heavy volLUT1es of
traffic through the Township.

2.

Arterials

strategically located and improved roads designed to
carry the major traffic movements within the area.

3.

Collectors

4.

Local

-

designed to collect and distribute traffic between local
streets or areas and the arterial streets and highways.
primary function is to provide access to property.

Examples of these classifications incltrle:
1.

Highways

M-140 and ~-62.

2.

Arterials

Naomi Road and Old Pipestone Road.

3.

Collectors

4.

Local

-

Black Lake Road and Hochberger Road.
Townhall Road and Keigley Road.

Pipestone Township's road system, as classified by the Berrien County Road
Commission, is illustrated on Map 17.
State highway M-140 runs the entire length of Pipestone Township in a
north-south direction and M-62 runs~along the southern border from Eau Claire to
the county line.

These are the only two major highways in the Township.

remainder of the roads are under County Road Commission jurisdiction.
consist of a combination of paved and gravel surfaced roads.
miles of Pipestone Township's roads are still gravel surfaced.

46

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With limited public transportation options

available and a dispersed population, private motor vehicles will remain the
predominate form of transportation.

AIR TRANSPORTATION
There are no airports in Pipestone Township.

Commercial air service is

available at Ross Field in Benton Harbor and at the Michiana Regional Airport in
South Bend.

The Doi.,ragiac Municipal Airport, Dowagiac; Watervliet Airport,

Watervliet; Jerry Tyler Memorial Airport, Niles; and Andrews University Field,
Berrien Springs; all provide general aviation service.
RAILROAD
There is no rail service directly available in Pipestone Township.
Passenger and freight service are both available in Niles and Dowagiac.

48

�VIII

ECONCMIC BASE

A townships economic structure needs to be taken into consideration during
the land use planning process.
planning.

This is due to its close relationship to physical

the intent of this chapter is to provide basic infonna.tion about

Pipestone Township's economy.

The labor force, industries, and tax base will be

briefly described.
LABOR FORCE
The 1980 U.S. Census listed Pipestone Township's civilian labor force at
1,062 persons 16 years and over.

The following table breaks this county down by

sex and compares it to Berrien County's total 1980 labor force.
TABLE 9

CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE
(Persons 16 years and over)

PIPESTONE
TOWNSHIP

o/. of

BERRIEN

%

TOTAL

COUNTY

TOTAL

Ma.le

617

58%

44,750

58%

Female

445

42%

48,825

42%

1980 Civilian Labor Force

TOTAL

1,062

of

77,575

The above figures sho~ that the Township's labor force in 1980 was 1.37% of
the County's total labor force.
declined. to 74,300.

By January, 1986, the County's labor force

If the Township retained. 1.37% of this total it \..lould

indicate a labor force of 1,018 in 1986 for Pipestone Township.
a 4% decrease.

This represents

The current Michigan Employment Security Commission's projections

state that the areas labor force is not expected. to change significantly over the
next few years.
The occupations of this labor force and the industries they are involved. in
are listed in the following two tables.

49

�TABLE 10
1980 - cxx:t.JPATION (Fmployed persons 16 years and over)
PIPF.STONE
1™NSHIP

CXXJNTY

muNT

CXXJNT

MANAGERIAL AND PROFESSIONAL SPECIALTY
CCCUPATIONS:
Executive, Administrative, and
Managerial Occupations
45
Professional Specialty Occupations
80
TECHNICAL, SALES, AND ADMINISTRATIVE
SUProRT CCCUPATIONS:
Technicians and Related Support
Occupations
31
Sales Occupations
65
Administrative Support Occupations,
Including Clerical
157
SERVICE CCCUPATIONS:
Private Household Occupations
7
Protective Service Occupations
9
Service Occupations, except
Protective and Household
92
FAR.MING, FORESTRY, AND FISHING
CCCUPATIONS
131
PRECISION PRODUCTION, CRAFT, AND REPAIR
OCCUPATIONS
118
OPERATORS, FABRICATORS, AND LAOORERS:
Machine Operators, Assemblers, and
Inspectors
93
Transportation and Material Moving
Cccupations
75
Handlers, Equipnent Cleaners, Helpers,
and Laborers
24

50

BERRIEN

4.9
8.6

6,393
8,048

9.2
11.6

3.3
7.0

1,603
6,663

2.3
9.6

16.9

10,273

14.8

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1.0

355

1,038

.5
1.5

9.9

7,728

11.1

14.1

2,218

3.2

12.7

9,267

13.4

10.0

9,670

13.9

8. 1

3,405

4.9

2.6

2,681

3.9

�TABLE 11
1980 - INDUSTRY (Fmployed persons 16 years and over)
PIPESTONE
TOWNSHIP
COUNT

AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY, FISHERIES
AND MINING
CONSTRUCTION
MANUFACTURING:
Nondurable Goods
Durable Goods
TRANSPORTATION
ca1MUNICATIONS AND aI'HER PUBLIC
tJrILITIES
WHOLESALE TRADE
RETAIL TRADE
FINANCE, INSURANCE, AND REAL ESTATE
BUSINESS AND REPAIR SERVICES
PERSONAL, ENTERTAINMENT, AND RECREATION
SERVICES
PROFESSIONAL AND RELATED SERVICES:
Health Services
&amp;lucational Services
Other Professional and Related
Services
PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION

BERRIEN
COUNTY

%

&lt;XX.JNT

!

131
36

14.1
3.9

2,450
3,140

3.5
4.5

67
272
42

7.2
29.3
4.5

5,023
19,065
2,108

7.2
27.5
3.0

10
40
110
16
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1.1
4.3
11.9
1.7
1.0

1,607
2,025
10,988
2,595
2,138

2.3
2.9
15.8
3.7
3.1

24

2.6

2,375

3.4

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5.2
4.8

4,413
6,855

6.4
9.9

55
23

5.9
2.5

2,295
2,265

3.3
3.3

The class of worker as identified by the census is identified in Table 12.
TABLE 12
CLASS OF WORKER (Employed persons 16 years and over)
PIPESTONE
TOWNSHIP
COUNT

PRIVATE WAGE AND SAlARY WORKER
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WORKER
STATE GOVERNMENT WORKER
LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKER
SELF-EMPLOYED WORKER
UNPAID FAMILY WORKER

723
6
23
55
105
15

51

%

78.0
.7
12.5
5.9
11. 3
1.6

BERRIEN
COUNTY
COUNT

55,889
793
1,317
6,287
4,665
391

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80.6
1.1
1.9
9. 1
6.7
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�Income averages for Pipestone Township are lower than the County average.
Median household income is approximately 95% of the County's and median family
income is approximately 85% of the County average.

TABLE 13

INcaiE AVERAGES
PIPESTONE TOWNSHIP

BERRIEN COUNTY

MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INca-IB

$15,452

$16,274

MEDIAN FAMILY INcx:ME

$16,274

$19,166

The place of work for members of the labor force is identified in Table 14.

TABLE 14

*PLACE OF WORK -- STATE AND COUNTY LEVEL
(Workers 16 years and over)
COUNT

%

Work in County of Residence

645

80.1

Work outside County of Residence

107

13.3

2

.3

51

6.3

Work outside State of Residence
Not Reported

*This infonna.tion obtained on a sample basis 1980 Census.

52

�Pipestone Township has no single large employer.
activity is very limited in the Township.

Commercial and industrial

Most residents work and shop in the

(

nearby Twin-Cities urbanized area.

TAX BASE
Residential and agricultural properties provide the largest portion of the

tax base for Pipestone Township as the following table indicates.

Together they

account for 91.8% of the Township's equalized valuation.

1986
Real Property

REAL

TABLE

15

TABLE

16

PROPERTY VALUATION

Valuation as
Assessed

Valuation as
Equalized

101
201
301
401
601

Agricultural
Commercial
Industrial
Residential
Developmental

$10,286,700
$1,164,500
$
737,700
$11,275,500

$10,239,775
$ 1,154,069
$
737,700
$10,953,571

800

Total Real

$23,464,400

$23,085, 115

1986 PERSONAL PROPERTY VALUATION
Valuation as Assessed

Valuation as Equalized

51,484,400

$1,484,400

The Township levied 8.1225 mills against the 19854 valuation and
distributed it as follows:
General County
Township
County College
Special Voted Drug Abuse
Special Voted Township

5.4250
.9675
1.3300
.2000
.9675

(mills)
(mills l
(mills)
(mills)
(mills)

The mileage levied for school operations depended upon which district the
property was in.
Eau Claire School District
Benton Harbor School District
Dowagiac School District

31.5015
34.6673
28.4500
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(mills)
(mills
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�TABLE 17
1975 - 1986 OOlJALIZED ~PERTY VAWATION
Year

Real Property

1975
1976
1977
1978
1979
1980
1981
1982
1983
1984
1985
1986

$ 9,321,348
$ 9,602,610
$ 9,945,450
$11 , 418 , 285
$14,856,712
$18,414,578
$20,903,113
$24,256,596
$21,904,255
$22,935,038
$24,205,597
$23,085, 115

Personal Property
$ 937,350
$ 723,196
$ 727,900
$ 834,850
$ 923,853
$ 951,250
$ 962,900
$1,393,400
$1,507,050
$1,452,850
$1,146,300
$1,484,400

Total
$10,258,698
$10,325,806
$10,673,350
$12,253,135
$15,780,565
$19,365,828
$21,866,013
$25,649,996
$23,411 , 305
$24,387,888
$25,351,897
$24,569,515

Percent
.65
3.36
14.80
28.78
22.71
12.91
17.30
- 8.72
4.17
3.95
- 3.08

As these property valuation figures indicate the Township's tax base is
relatively stable.

With the general trend of agricultural land values remaining

constant or declining in value the Township cannot anticipate an increase in its
ta'&lt; base .

This will restrict the amount of public services that can be provided

by the Township .

54

�IX EXISTING LAND USE
A field inventory of existing land use was completed for Pipestone Township
in May, 1986.

This inventory recorded what appeared to be the actual use of each

parcel of land throughout the Township.
After recording the use of each parcel of land on section maps, the data
was

transferred onto a Township 1:::ase map (Map 18).

Total acreage within each

classification was then calculated and recorded (Table 18).

It should be noted

that the acreage figures given are estimates for working purposes only, and are
not to be represented as being precise land measurements.
The classifications used for this inventory are outlined below.
Residential use includes single family, multi-family, mobile homes, and
generally all kinds of housing except temporary farm labor housing.
Commercial use includes wholesale and retail sales and services as well as
personal business and professional services.
Industrial use includes all forms of product processing and manufacturing.
Public and Semi-Public use includes governmental property and operations,
schools, churches, and cemeteries.
Recreational use includes golf courses, camps and other similar for-fee
activities.
Agricultural and Vacant use includes land which appears to be actively
farmed or operated for agricultural purposes including appurtenant structures,
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and land that does not appear to presently have any active use.
Transportation use while not actually mapped as a use category is included
in the tabulations and encompasses all roads and highways.
Water includes lakes and ponds of 5+ acres.
this category due to their varying widths.

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EXISTING LAND USE
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Residential

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3.9

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20,271

88.7

Transportation

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Water

193

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22,850

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Recreational
Agricultural and Vacant

TOTAL

The primary purpose of this land use survey is to provide basic data on land
characteristics and the activities that are occupying land in Pipestone Township.
This will assist in detennining if there is a mix of land uses that might lead to
future conflicts of use.

It will also assist in evaluating the

interrelationships between various land uses, such as:

housing to shopping,

housing to transportation routes, etc.
To put these land use tabulations into the proper perspectives, they will
be compared with general percentages of land use for all townships within Berrien
County and for the County as a whole.
figures is the Berrien County Land

The source for the Township and County
Use/Cover Inventory - 1982.

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Residential

889

3.9

27,402

7.7

33,332

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34

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2,943

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4,458

1.2

Industrial

7

2,347

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3,534

1.0

315,704

88.5

320,297

86.3

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Agricultural
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20,271

88.7

Transportation

675

3.0

Water

193

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Recreational

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2,401*

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3,128*

5,795

1.6

6,451

1. 7

22,850
100.0
356,592
TOTAL
*does not include county and local roads

100.0

371,200

100.0

Residential Development:
Pipestone Township has proportionately less residential develoµnent than
Berrien County, 3.9% compared to 9.05, and proportionately less than the other
townships, 7.7%.

The majority of the residential development is large lot rural

residential scattered throughout the Township.

There are currently no

subdivisions in the Township.
Commercial:
Commercial land use in Pipestone \Township covers approximately 34 acres, or
.2%.

This is considerably less than the County's 9.0% and the township's .8%.

This commercial use consists primarily of a2ricultural oriented businesses
located along M-140 and several small businesses such as bcxiy shops.
very little general retailing business.

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�Industrial:
Industrial land use covers approxinately 7 acres or only .03% of the
Township.

Therefore, the impact of industrial land use is almost negligible.

Public &amp; Semi-Public:
There are approximately 30 acres or .1% of Pipestone Township used for
public and semi-public purposes.

Cemeteries, churches, and schools account for

the majority of this category of land use.
Recreational:
This use covers 3.3% of Pipestone Township and consists of approximately
751 acres.

Two golf courses and a large private camp account for the majority of

this acreage.
Agricultural &amp; Vacant:
At 20,271 acres or 88.7%, this is Pipestone Township's largest land use.
It is higher than the County at 86.3% and slightly higher than the townships as a
whole at 88.5%.

Map 19 indicates which of this land is considered prime

agricultural land according to the Berrien County Development Plan.

Map 19 also

indicates which parcels have approved' P. A. 116 of 1974, Farmland Agreements.
These agreements ensure that this land will remain agricultural for at least ten
(10) years from the signing of the agreement.

Currently there are approximately

4.616 acres of farmland in Pipestone Township enrolled in this program.
Transportation:
The 675 acres or 3.0% of land used for transportation in Pipestone Township
includes road rights-of-way for county roads and state highways.

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�Water:
There is approximately 193 acres of water in Pipestone Township, or .8% of

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total land use.

This is primarily comprised of Brush Lake, Rowe Lake, Black

Lake, Jarvis Lake, Little Black Lake, and Mud Lake.

Areas of the Township that

contain private small lakes and ponds were included in this category only if they
were five acres or larger in size.

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�CHAPI'ER X

Stff1ARY; GROffl-1 roLICIF.S; RECXM-1ENDATIONS

The Pipestone Township Planning Conmission has prepared this General
Oevelopnent Plan to guide future developnent in Pipestone Township in an orderly
fashion.
The following is a suuma.ry of the previous chapters in this General
Oevelopnent Plan.

The policies and recommendations for future development are

based on this infonnation.
NAWRAL FEATIJRES:

Pipestone Township's soil pattern is dominated by the Riddles-OCkleyOshtemo and Pella-Kibbie soils associations.
well drained and poorly drained soils.
diverse.

These include a combination of both

The topography of the Township is

The northwest portion, the southwest corner, and the eastern edge of

the Township display the most relief.
is generally flat or slightly rolling.

The east-central portion of the Township
There are no large lakes or rivers

present in the Township.
Significance
The soils and topography that are best suited for agricultural use
are also the most desirable for residential development.
these areas are identified as prime agricultural land.

Portions of
Without

natural limitations to development it becomes necessary for the
Township to develop guidelines to insure that the development that
occurs can coexist with agricultural pursuits.

This will limit the

negative impact upon agriculture which is a primary industry and
major portion of the Township's economic base.
lJfILITIES:

Munic ipal water and sewer are currently not available in any portion of
Pipestone Tot,nship.

Electric and telephone service is available throughout the

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�Township.

Natural gas service is available only in limited areas adjacent to the

Village of Eau Claire.

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Significance
With the low rate of growth projected for Pipestone Township there
should be no need in the near future for municipal utility services.

Both

existing and new developnent can be serviced by on-site systems if it is
directed to appropriate areas and adequate lot sizes are required,

This

will provide for protection against groundwater and surface water pollution
from individual septic systems.

CCMMUNITY FACILITIES:
Most students in Pipestone Township attend the Eau Claire Schools.
protection is provided by a volunteer fire department.

Fire

Police service is

provided by the Berrien County Sheriff's Department and the Michigan State
Police.
Significance
Pipestone Township's low population density has resulted in a low
demand for public facilities and services.

This is fortunate for the

Township because its rural character makes it difficult to provide services
at reasonable costs.
FGPULATION:
Pipestone Township's 1980 census count was 2,364.

This represented a

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population loss of 3% between 1970 and 1980.

This reduction is expected to

continue through 1990 with a slight increase predicted between 1990 and 2000.
The projected year 2000 population is 2,150 which is about the same as the
Township's population was in 1960.

At .12 persons/acre Pipestone Township's

density is the third lowest in Berrien County.

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�Significance
With an nticipa.ted decrease in population the quantity of growth
should not be a problem in Pipestone Township.

The Township can easily

What needs to be watched is the

accolTITIOdate additional develoµnent.
quality and location of developnent.

This can minimize any conflict

between residential develoµnent and agricultural land use.
TRANSroR'I'ATION:

Pipestone Township's local road system is basically meeting the needs of
local vehicular traffic.

Adequate north-south highway access is available.

East-west highway travel is available but limited.
service are available in nearby communities.

Passenger and frei~ht rail

Commercial and general aviation

services are also available in nearby communities.

Corranercial and general

aviation services are also available at numerous airports located near the
Township.
Significance
With a stable or slowly declining tax base, maintenance of the
existing road system will be the primary concern of the Township.
Upgrading of the numerous gravel - roads throughout the Township will be very
costly.

Pressure for upgrading will increase as residential development

occurs along these gravel roads.
ECONO.'IIC BASE:

ThP. majority of Pipestone Township's residents are employed outside of the
Township.

This makes the Township heavily dependent on adjacent communities for

providing employment opportunities.

The ta'C base of the Township is centered in

agricultural and residential land uses.

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�Significance
The viability of the industrial base in adjacent communities is an

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issue for Pipestone Township.
its residents.

It represents employment opportunities for

The reliance on residential and agricultural land for a tax

base means the Township needs to encourage quality residential development
in areas that require minimal municipal services and will not adversely
impact prime agricultural land.
EXISTING I.AND USE:
Approximately 88% of the Township land use is classified as agricultural or
vacant.

This is clearly the predominate land use in the Township.

Residential land use is approximately 4%.

This is the second largest use.

It is comprised of a mixture of farmsteads and single-family residential
dwellings scattered throughout the Township.

There are few areas of concentrated

residential developnent in the Township.
Private recreation land use is the third largest category at 3.3% . .. ,!.

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Significance
Through proper planning and zoning future development can be
appropriately guided to conserve the Township's primary assets,
agricultural land, and residential development.
GROWI'H POLICIES

Planning and zoning in Pipestone Township should:
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Guide residential, commercial, and industrial land use toward non-prime
agricultural lands.
- ~laintain the low density, rural character of the community.
- Require lot sizes that are adequate in si~e to help prevent earth, groundwater,
and surface water pollution, as well as to encourage aesthetically pleasing
residential areas.

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�RECXM-!ENDATIONS
The following reconmendations have been prepared to guide develoµnent in
Pipestone Township.

These reconmendations should be implemented through the

distribution of economic activities and population densities in a manner that
keeps with the natural characteristics and growth policies adopted within this
General Development Plan.
These recorrmendations indicate the general types of land use to be
encouraged in various sections of the Township.

The actual use of individual

pa.reels of property is regulated by the Pipestone Township Zoning Ordinance.

The

zoning ordinance and subsequent amendments will assist in guiding future
development toward the desired land use pattern as portrayed by the Future Land
Use (Map 20).

This map illustrates the recommended land use patterns which

implement the development policies of this plan.

It is emphasized that the

future Land Use Map, shown on page 68, is not a. zoning map.
Res iden t.ial,

Low density residential use is projected for the northwestern area of the
TownshiR~

Additional residential developnent is anticipated with large

lot/single family dwellings being the predominate fonn.

Multi-family development

is currently very limited and will probably remain so.
Commercial
The Village of Eau Claire serves as the commercial center for the majority
of the Township.

The only other identifiable convnercial area in the Township is

in the vicinity of the M-140 and M-62 intersection.

This area consists of

several large scale corrmercial and light industrial uses.
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development is anticipated to continue in this area.

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This pattern of

�Industrial
The limited number of industrial enterprises in Pipestone Township are
currently scattered throughout the Township with no one area serving as an
industrial focal point.

On the future land use map two areas have been targeted

for future industrial develoµnent.
boundary of the village.
municipal water and sewer.
this area.

The first is the area adjacent to the north

This area has the best potential for being serviced by
Natural gas and access to M-62 is also available to

The second area is primarily for light industry and is along the

southern portion of M-140.
Recreational
An increase in recreational land use is most likely to occur through
expansion of existing facilities.

The locations of the existing recreation=ba.sed

businesses are conducive to expansion.

Impact on other types of land_JJses would

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zoning ordinance and map, like this general developnent plan, should be evaluated
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The zoning

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property owners.

At the same time, it must be strict enough to control

indiscriminate, incompatible developnent and serve as a guide to orderly, well
planned land use.

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                    <text>Grand Valley State University
All American Girls Professional Baseball League
Veterans History Project
Interviewee’s Name: Grace Piskula
Length of Interview: (00:38:20)
Interviewed by: Gordon Olson, September 26, 2009 in Milwaukee, WI at the alumni
annual reunion of the All American Girls Professional Baseball League
Transcribed by: Joan Raymer, April 14, 2010
Interviewer: “Grace, I think the easiest way to start these interviews is to just talk
a little bit about you and your family and your experience with sports before you got
involved with professional baseball. Where were you born and tell me a little bit
about your background.”
Well, I was born on February 26, 1926 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin on the south side of
Milwaukee and the neighborhood was primarily Polish and German. I had a younger
brother and an older brother in my lifetime. All of my experience with sports came from
the neighborhood because my neighborhood was full of boys and there was only one
other girl. 1:16 Gladys and I were the only two and she didn’t like any sports, but I
always played and had a lot of fun. I even played tackle football in a lot of open lots and
wherever we could get equipment. We had a big yard and the man upstairs would buy a
ball and we would play ball in the back yard. There was a big barn that we surrounded
and it must have been an old country area because if you got a home run it would go over
the barn and land in the alley in the next block there, but my brothers were not interested
in sports. One was very interested in reading, that’s my oldest brother, and in theater, and
my youngest brother was a runner. He ran when he was in high school. 2:10 There was
a social center near our home and you could go to the social center and play volleyball,
basketball or take classes and it was run by the Milwaukee Recreation Department, which
was terrific, so I got interested in sports. I was playing all over the city, volleyball,
basketball, and softball and eventually played softball in West Allis, they had a league
there and many of the girls who made this league are from that area.
Interviewer: “They started as softball players.”
It started with underhand softball and we played at night, and of course when I was
playing it was during the war years and the men weren’t around, so they had big crowds,
five thousand people would come and watch and I was offered a job at Heil Company if I
would play volleyball, basketball and softball for them. 3:10 I wasn’t interested because
of my family. My mom never went beyond the sixth grade and my father never beyond
the tenth and both of them were terrific believers in education. However, they couldn’t
afford to send us to college, but we certainly were checked on during our grade school
and high school time and that’s all that mattered, doing well in school. 3:34

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�Interviewer: “Now, in the neighborhood when you were playing, this was what
would be called today, disorganized recreation. There were not teams as such, it
was just whoever showed up in the morning to start playing ball?”
Yes, all the boys were—I think I was the only girl and all the boys would get together
and somebody would bring a bat and they would bring a ball and we would play in an
open field. 3:59
Interviewer: “Did you choose up sides?”
Yes, you would toss the bat and choose up sides.
Interviewer: “As the only girl, were you the last one chosen?”
No, I was not and my brother never liked the fact that he wouldn’t be picked before me.
Interviewer: “You were the better ball player in the family?”
Yes, but he was a better runner. 4:21 I had these trophies in the kitchen, my mother had
them up and his friends would come over and they would say, “What did you get the
trophy for?” My brother would say, “they’re my sister’s”.
Interviewer: “That’s great—now, what position in softball?”
I played—actually I played almost all of them except pitching and catching, but my main
positions were short, first base, third base and left field. 4:50
Interviewer: “That pretty well covers it.”
I played second base once, but I never played right field or pitched and I was a good
hitter that was the other thing.
Interviewer: “That would explain why you got chosen quickly. How did you hear
about the all American Girls League and how did you get involved with that?”
Well, I didn’t hear about it frankly, it was news to me. I didn’t know they had tryouts, I
didn’t know anything about that. I was working at Schuster’s in the candy department to
get money for school. 5:28
Interviewer: “Schuster’s was a department store in Milwaukee?”
Yes, a department store and they had a cafeteria and all these other things and I played
softball on their team and I got a telegram from Jack Lossa. Jack Lossa was a former
Milwaukee Brewer who had a softball team on the north side and Buddy Greif was my
coach and he had a softball team on the playgrounds on the south side and he got to be a
manager and he needed a player in left field immediately and he remembered me playing
against his team and he just sent a wire and said, “Have job for you on Rockford Peaches.
Report to Racine”, and my mother said, “You’re not going anywhere.” 6:14
Interviewer: “How old were you at this point?”
I was about eighteen, and my mother said, “you’re not going”. I was a senior in high
school, trying to earn money for school, so I called Buddy Greif and asked him to come

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�over and he said to my mother, “where could she earn fifty dollars a week plus two fifty a
day for spending money?” My mother couldn’t answer that and I wasn’t earning that
kind of money even at Schuster’s or even in the defense plants soldering canteens, so
they did let me go. 6:46 I went to Rockford and lived in a rooming house.
Interviewer: “I have to ask you, when you went to Rockford, was that one of the
first times that you had left home essentially?”
Yes, I never was on a train until I went to college because it was kind of a protective
neighborhood. We had certain hours at night and you had to stay home and talk as a
family. We had a night where we had to stay home so we could talk together as a family,
so we could talk together and play together and stuff. A different kind of family than we
have today. 7:32
Interviewer: “That’s a good family practice. Your family must have been rather
excited when you decided to go off and play baseball?”
I’m not sure they were excited at all. Actually my mother knew very little about sports.
She came to an all city game we had one time when I was playing left field and my father
told me that when the ball came out and I caught it, she turned to him and said, “now
what’s she going to do with it?” That’s how much she knew about the game. 8:02
Interviewer: “Fortunately you knew what to do with the ball when you caught it.”
I knew where to throw it, right.
Interviewer: “Somebody told me that at one point Mr. Wrigley took an active
interest in your career.”
Actually when I went to college, I went to LaCrosse State University, my first college
experience and while there I got a phone call from Mr. Wrigley, I wasn’t the only person,
there were a few girls that he must have somehow got names of who were from different
areas not just Milwaukee, but from others, and he asked me to come and tryout in
Chicago with the Chicago Chicks. 8:46
Interviewer: “A different league.”
I really think the Chicago Chicks were the work up league for the other one.
Interviewer: “Their teams played all around Chicago.”
They played at night and we wore shorts, we wore satin shorts and tops and then satin
leggings and I still have the contract in my scrapbook from that experience and we lived
in rooming houses in groups. In fact, I will try to remember the name of the gal who—
her husband use to come and she was married and had children and he use to come and
watch her play on weekends. 9:21 She also got on one of the teams in our league, so that
was like, what do you call that, the minor leagues?”

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�Interviewer: “Minor leagues probably.”
Mr. Wrigley, I don’t know if it was he himself. He asked me to come and I said, “I can’t
come, I have no money”, and he said they would put me on the Hiawatha, which went
from Lacrosse to Chicago and I never had a chance to see my parents, so I said, “I won’t
come unless I can stop in Milwaukee and see my parents”, and they let me do that and
when we got to Chicago there was a limo waiting and they took me to a gym and tried me
out. When the movie came out I was sitting there and I had forgotten about that
experience and all of a sudden tears were coming down. It was a recall that happened to
me and I’m sure it happened to other people also. 10:20 I played first base there.
Interviewer: “Describe that tryout experience. What did they have you do?”
Oh, they had me bat mostly in the gym and field when someone would throw a ball to
you. That’s about the extent of it. It was a fairly large gym.
Interviewer: “Who was watching the tryouts and who was making the decision?”
I don’t know who the man was. They had somebody that took us there and was checking
out what you could do and I had a first baseman’s mitt and an infielder.s mitt and a ball.
I had one of those bags with me. It was a twelve-inch softball. It was the Olympic style
softball. 11:09
Interviewer: “This actually took place though after you had already played with the
Peaches, correct? You played with the—or did you go with the—“
I played one year with the Peaches and then the next year I played in Chicago.
Interviewer: “Let’s back up to that Peaches experience. You got to Rockford on
your own and do you remember the first game you played in?”
No. I remember that at one of the games I slid into first base and I may have sprained my
ankle, but we had no people to help us with injuries. We had a coach and the team and
that was it, and a chaperone, that was it. The catcher, I remember, taped up my foot, but
we were all so eager to play that we wouldn’t tell the coach what condition we were.
12:02 When I look back on it, when I look at the players now and all the help they get,
exercises, food and all this. There was nothing and in fact most girls worked during the
day, especially in Chicago. That’s why I went there, to make money for college. We
worked during the day, like office work or store work and played ball at night.
Interviewer: “Just so you had money to go to college, but earn money and also get
to play the game you love.”
To earn money for college and I loved the game. All three of them.
Interviewer: “Any recollections of the—you played essentially part of a season in
Rockford?”
Yes.

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�Interviewer: “Any recollections of the games?”
They were terrific in Rockford, the people; they had lots of support and lots of people in
the audience and then the American Legion and others there would say, ”today the first
home run gets ten dollars”, you know what I’m saying, they use to give away prizes to
the batters and a lot of times they would serve lunches for us after the game. 13:15 You
always had to deal with the fans to sign autographs on cigarette packs and stuff you know
people weren’t going to keep anyway. They were eager to see what you look like. 13:29
Interviewer: “Any guys hang around after the game?”
Lots of guys, especially in Chicago.
Interviewer: “So it’s a version of what goes on in major league baseball today only
the genders are reversed.”
Yes. The ladies went to see the men and the men went to see the ladies.
Interviewer: “that’s good. What was the field like? The playing conditions, do you
have any recollections of the condition of the field for example?”
I thought they were very good fields. They were fields, as I recall, that other men’s
softball teams played on in the communities. In fact, all of my sports experiences were
out of the community. I played volleyball and basketball even in Iowa, you know, we
would go on weekends on trips. I don’t know why, but during the war none of the
companies got a lot of publicity and they always had these teams for publicity. 14:30
The paper always had the scores and the name of the company would be in the paper and
that’s why they wanted people to play ball.
Interviewer: “They wanted winning teams.”
They wanted winning teams and they wanted their names in the paper and that’s why I
was offered a job to play three sports, during the war, for that company and they said they
would give me this nice easy job, but of course without an education, what kind of a job
could you get, so to us—my mother was so proud—I told you she never went to school
and I have a brother with a PhD and both myself and my other brother have masters
degrees and my mother said we were the only ones in the neighborhood. 15:10
Interviewer: “She was very proud of that.”
She was so proud of that, when she lived she was.
Interviewer: “Any big hits, any big plays still come to mind from your playing
days?”
I remember that in Chicago at my first bat, I hit a triple and I’ve never forgotten that one.
I also remember my first night with the Rockford Peaches, playing left field, a fly ball
coming and I’m going after it and I catch it and I look and there was someone backing me

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�up to make sure I would catch that ball. I remember getting my ankle wrapped when I
slid into base. 15:49
Interviewer: “Pain is something you tend to remember.”
It was painful later, also because it wasn’t taken care of.
Interviewer: “So, you played part of a year then in Rockford and then the next year
in Chicago, was that the extent of your professional playing?”
Yes, I finished and I went to school.
Interviewer: “Where did you go to school?”
I went to school at Lacrosse State University and then I went to New York University for
my masters and in 1952 we all went to the Olympic games as part of our studies. We
wrote some papers on sports in America and as they are played in other countries and
that’s a very big highlight in my life. 16:34
Interviewer: “That’s an incredible experience. Where were the 1952 Olympics
held?”
Helsinki. We saw Paavo Nurmi run—
Interviewer: “Helsinki, that’s right. You didn’t just go to the Olympics, you got on
a boat and traveled across the Atlantic to the Olympics.”
Two boats.
Interviewer: “When you say we all, who do you mean?”
We were all graduate students for either masters or PhD’s at New York University. The
only man who spoke Finnish in the group was a black man with his PhD and to me that
was very interesting. 17:10
Interviewer: “I bet it was interesting to the Finnish people as well.”
We slept in a dormitory of some kind on straw beds, double deckers, but you could see
the Olympic torch all night long through the window. Those were interesting experiences
and meeting the athletes from other places who were on steroids. You could see it in
their builds
Interviewer: “Already then you saw it.”
Way back then in 1952, I think before they even noticed it. Most of the gymnasts--I
never saw such shoulders on women
Interviewer: “A little unusual.”
Very unusual.
Interviewer: “Particularly for you as a physical education major, you studied
kinesiology and the structure of muscles and things, you knew what you were
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�Something was funny. I think it was a year later in 1953 or 1954 that they got onto the
drugging. 18:11
Interviewer: “For the first time. I want to back up just a minute because I’m
familiar with Lacrosse. Now Lacrosse, one of the featured majors is in physical
education.”
Yes, I got my first degree from there.
Interviewer: “That’s what that school, among other things, focused on. How many
women at Lacrosse were taking these kinds of courses? Were there a lot of women
and was it unusual? ”
No, there were a lot of women. We had practically—it was almost even the men to
women as students. I don’t know what we had in my class, eighty or ninety and half
were men and half were women. 18:48
Interviewer: “Then you went from there and got a graduate degree?”
I went to New York University for my graduate work and I would go in the summers at
first. They had a school camp and then later, the last year, when I got my maters we were
on this trip and we studied on the ship all the way across.
Interviewer: “That’s still an incredible experience.”
Just a wonderful experience and I have never really forgotten it because we became very
good friends after all the trips through Europe etc. The gents carried our luggage and it
was wonderful. I still have friends from those days. 19:32
Interviewer: “Once you graduated, what was your career after?”
The same thing after I graduated. My first job was as a physical education teacher at
McKinley Jr. High School in Racine, Wisconsin where I started my career in baseball.
Interviewer: “You came home.”
No, I’m a Milwaukee girl.
Interviewer: “You went back to Wisconsin.”
That was strange, that was strange, that was very strange. I remember coming to that city
and wouldn’t you know, I got a job there. I was in Racine at the junior high school and
then I taught in the high school and then I taught at the University of Hawaii for a year
and then I came back and I became the director for the district in health and physical
education. 20:20 I spent my major lifetime in Racine.
Interviewer: “In education.”
Yes, in education.
Interviewer: “You were in Hawaii?”
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�Interviewer: “How did that happen?”
That came up because I was a student at N.Y.U. and Dr. Sokhi, who was on staff in
Hawaii, got to know me when I was going for my masters and at the time physical
education teachers were hard to find and they wanted me to come the very year that I
graduated, he did, and I said, “I can’t do that to my district. They took me when I knew
nothing and they can’t replace me now because there are no teachers, so I went back to
Racine and all the while I was in Racine that year, I kept getting missiles from Dr. Sokhi
and he asked me to come the next year then. 21:20 I asked my superintendent, I didn’t
know if I would like it or not, if I could take a leave of absence and he told me I could if I
came back the next year, so I agreed to that and I wasn’t to Hawaii and taught and after a
year they wanted me to stay on and I said I couldn’t because I had promised Racine that I
would come back. I went back and the man I had made the promise to had lest the
community and I have never forgotten that. That is a dirty trick to play on somebody.
Interviewer: “You kept your word.”
I kept my word, but the superintendent didn’t.
Interviewer: “Hawaii would have been a very interesting place to be in.”
It was and the next year they became a state.
Interviewer: “Because of the fact that you were a player, a teacher—you’ve been in
sports in one way or another, women’s sports, for a long time. Reflect a little bit for
me if you will on the kinds of changes you’ve seen in the attitude towards women
athletes for example and the attitude of women athletes toward their sports.”
Well, I think the women are interested in their sports, but there’s little they can do with
the fact that sports have become a business instead of anything else and unfortunately
what happens is the women, even though many are more talented than some of the men,
never are paid anywhere near what they are being paid and the reason is that they don’t
bring in the revenue at the gates and I think that’s true with almost everything except
maybe golf. 23:12 I was hole captain at the meets when the golf association was in
Wisconsin and they got terrific crows, so golf and maybe tennis is good, but women’s
basketball and softball, for some reason, do not draw crowds. The basketball’s a killer
on the heart and the women play as well as the men do, but their not compensated.
Interviewer: “Not at all. One thing that occurs to me, when you were playing
baseball the uniforms were designed to emphasize the fact that you were a woman
and it seems to me that all the way through, right up to today, that still is a part of
the difference between men’s sports and women’s sports. There is still an emphasis
on making sure that the fans in the stands know that they’re watching women
athletes.”
I don’t know, I think women will always be women, or they should be, otherwise we
have a big problem and I think that the attitude that people think if you play a sport you
have to be tough, it’s not true. I know many women who are very feminine who play

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�sports very well, so I don’t know how you’re going to dispel that. There are a lot of very
nice looking women in sports and not only in looks they have good shapes too. 24:39
You can’t—the only difference, I think, you have to remember—take for instance my
shoulder for instance—men have more muscle spindles in that shoulder than I do and I’ll
never be able to match them and maybe that’s the reason that when women got into
overhand throwing, they lost so many arms, I don’t know.
Interviewer: “There were a lot of injuries to women pitchers?”
Yes, the women went to play just like the men play baseball, throwing from the pitching
staff and we lost a lot of arms and pretty soon the league was over. Some of it might be
part physical, I don’t know. 25:17 That’s just my opinion, you would have to ask a
Kinesiologist.
Interviewer: “At the time there wasn’t a lot of good science about the strain that
was put on an arm by throwing.”
I have a personal opinion, I can’t figure out why women would want to box. I don’t
understand, I can see tennis, I can see volleyball, I can see the other games, but boxing
and football, I don’t understand that. Somebody’s going to have to give me an education
also. 25:53
Interviewer: “I’m with you.”
Every man I know that ever played football has had back problems all his life.
Interviewer: “Legs and knees and just serious problems.”
It’s tough; it’s a tough sport.
Interviewer: “This is a question I’ve asked an awful lot of the players. While you
were playing—when you first started out as a professional woman baseball player,
did you see yourself as a pioneer in any way?”
No, I loved the game and I think—my mother use to say I shake to play. I would go to
the social canter and play volleyball and basketball, you know I’ve done those three
things all my life and now I golf and that’s about it, but I don’t know why because I
didn’t have a family—my mother never went beyond sixth grade and my father never
beyond tenth and they just didn’t have the opportunities that I had. 26:56
Interviewer: “Sports opened doors for you.”
Yes, the sports have opened the doors for me and I’m sure it has for many young people,
but first get the education.
Interviewer: “Now as you look back on it, you have a chance to assess the role you
played, now do you see yourself as--in some ways, although you didn’t realize it at
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�Yes, I think that helping women not only in the professional aspect, but even in the
college sports and the scholarships and things of that kind because those things are much
more available to women today than they use to be just as they’re available to someone
who is good in theater or good in art, we have that in sports now and people will have to
look for it, but it’s there. Some of the legislation is helping also. 27:58
Interviewer: “Ok.”
I figure I was lucky and I thank you for this opportunity.
Interviewer: “Well, we were the fortunate ones.”
If anybody’s going to hear it---“get your education first”.
Interviewer: “A great line to end with.”
Thank you.
Interviewer: “Thank you very much.”
Interviewer: “Lets talk a little bit about the movie. All of a sudden the league—it
wasn’t forgotten, but it wasn’t well remembered either and then all of a sudden
there’s a major movie made about your experiences. What kinds of reactions and
experiences did you have as a result of the movie?” 28:39
I think everybody was excited about the movie, but I forgot to mention the fact that I had
my uniform sitting in my closet for, it must have been ten years, because the last game
that Rockford played was in Milwaukee and I still have the programs from that day and
here I had that uniform sitting and after about ten years or so I got rid of the uniform from
my closet. I either gave it to a costume shop or to the theater group I can’t remember
which, but the movie is unbelievable, every year and I watch what’s on the movies and
they must show that thing eight or ten times a year and every time they show it they got a
crowd watching it. Now, the movie made the comedian, Rosie O’Donnell, I think that
made her, that movie and I think you should know that actually a bunch of players at the
time, I’m not going to name them, didn’t want Madonna playing in our movie because
they didn’t like her lifestyle at the time, so I didn’t know much about Madonna because
I’m not a big movie fan, but I did buy the movie for all my nephews and nieces. 30:01
Interviewer: “After the movie comes out, did that affect you more recognition?”
Yes, after the movie came out you get more mail—people asking for autographs. I have
had autograph seeking from Germany, for soldiers, from people in the services that send
you stuff and one person sent their first day issues of a stamp collection and instructed me
to sign on that first issue thing and I thought—“what are they doing?” I know they’re
selling autographs and I think mine is worth about fifteen dollars now. I had somebody
check up and see, but there’s one I have from the Brewers called the—It’s in the case and
that one’s worth more because I’m on with the men players also. 30:57
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�Yes, it’s usually clubs and schools. Every year I’m at some school because they’re
studying women—what women have achieved and there will be some number of kids
that want to write about the league, so then they call me up and ask for an interview and
then they write their papers. So far every girl who has written a paper about my life in
the—has received an A on their paper, including my niece.
Interviewer: “what do you tell them when they--?”
I tell them what I told you—how I was brought up, how I had never been on a train until I
went to college, how my folks never had—and this was a way of getting an education for
me because they couldn’t afford to send me and how the boys were both able to go
because they were both in the army at that time and their school was paid for and mine
wasn’t. I think at that time there was an attitude that it’s more important for the men to
get educated than the women because I found a little of that in my father. He was afraid I
would get married and all that money would go down the drain. 32:10
Interviewer: “You emphasize to the girls, when you get a chance to talk to them, to
get their educations.”
Yes, I really—that was the proudest—my mother was proudest of the fact that she had
three kids—two had masters degrees and one had a PhD and that to her meant more than
anything we did, even playing ball really, because she never went beyond the sixth grade.
They never had a chance, they had big families and they had to help at home. My father
never beyond the tenth, he wanted to be a doctor and never got to be one—they had
thirteen kids in their family and they had to go to work. It was the end of the depression.
33:02
Interviewer: “Kids need to understand that in many ways they have far more
opportunities and they better take advantage of them.”
All of my nieces and nephews, I tell them that they’re spoiled rotten and they are.
They’re living in an entirely different world, they have so many things and they ask for
something and pretty soon it comes. We could wish for it, but we didn’t expect it.
Interviewer: “Any regrets about taking time out to play professional ball?”
No, I loved to play, I would love to play now, but all I play now is golf.
Interviewer: “thanks for taking an extra minute. There was good usable stuff
there.”

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                    <text>Grand Valley State University Veterans History Project
Veteran: Kenneth Pitetti
Interviewer: James Smither
Transcribed by Gabrielle Angel
Length: 1:50:00
00.00.00
I: We‟re talking today with Ken Pitetti of Wichita, Kansas and the interviewer is James Smither
of the Grand Valley State University Veterans History Project. Okay, Ken, start us off with some
background on yourself, and to begin with, where and when were you born?
V: Yes. I was born and raised in San Francisco and I had a Catholic school upbringing with a
Catholic grade school, Catholic high school.
I: And, what year were you born?
V: I was born in 1946. I was a baby boomer.
I: What was your family doing for a living at that point?
V: My dad was a fireman of Italian descent. My grandfather came from Italy. And then, my mom
was a housekeeper, but she also worked for the school‟s lunching program. She cooked for the
schools. My dad was a fireman, and he also had a second job, so he worked two jobs. This is in
San Francisco, inner San Francisco. A great place to be raised, San Francisco was. A really nice
time in the fifties. And, I had an older brother and a younger sister, and we were a working,
inner-city, middle class family. My brother and I would get up in the morning and do paper
routes. My sister would work part-time after school. So, we were a family that pretty much grew
up with a work ethic, that everyone had to participate, because we had three kids going to
Catholic school, so that was expensive.
I: What kind of ambitions or plans did your family have for you? Did they want you to go to
college?
V: Well, for-for all – for all of us, my parents wanted us to go to college, but I was the only one
of my brothers and sisters that went to college, and I don‟t know why. And I don‟t know why,
because that was available to us and my parents would say they wanted us to.
00:02:15
V: I was pretty good at athletics. I was always the type of guy who wanted to be the team captain
and pretty much excelled in football in high school. I would go on to play at the University of
San Francisco, football. And so, football began to make me start shooting for college. I know I
got real serious with my studies when I was a sophomore in high school. I worked myself up to a
college prep position. At that time, they tagged you. You took a test when you came into a

�Catholic school, and they had the As, Bs, Cs, Ds, Es and Fs classes. I started at the Cs, and by the
time I was a senior I was with the A class. I don‟t think I shoulda been with them.
Actually, it was a neat situation because the guys I went to high school that were in the A class
went on to be doctors and lawyers and were really smart. But, they were really neat really
helped me to realize I should be reading magazines besides Sports Illustrated. They introduced
me to Time magazine, and to different things that were able to introduce me to things that were
happening in the world. I had no idea what was going on in Israel before until guys said, “Hey,
you ought to read this article.” I began to get involved in events that were occurring throughout
the world and how they might affect me way back in my junior, senior year of high school.
I: And when did you graduate high school?
V: 1964.
00:03:56
I: And what do you remember about, say, the Kennedy assassination?
V: I remember the Kennedy assassination was a big thing because you had a Catholic family,
Kennedy was Catholic, and it was a big event. I hate to say it was an event, but it was a
combination of a historical event, a president was killed. Why was he killed, how did that
happen? That was something that I, as a kid, wondered about. How could this guy get on this ,
you know, this book store and fire this weapon to kill the president of the United States? We did
have the Secret Service, you know. And, so, that was the beginning, I think, of our generation
beginning to question things that were occurring in history at that time.
So, we had that, but what I remember distinctly was in the summer of 1964, the Bay of Tonkin
Incident. This was 1964 now, and at that time, my parents had gone on vacation. I stayed home
because I was working. And on Saturday- the night that LBJ came on, I think it was Saturday, it
was in August I believe that the Bay of Tonkin Incident happened. And there was a bunch of
guys, we were all graduating together, and we were all friends. So, there was probably about
eleven, and we were all playing. And this was back when we weren‟t drinking anything, we were
drinking 7-Up and drinking orange juice and Coke and eating potato chips and popcorn. I mean,
that‟s how innocent it was at that time.
And, LBJ comes on, Lyndon B. Johnson comes on about the Bay of Tonkin Incident. I
happened to take a break, so I was sitting in our TV room, and I yelled out, I said, “Hey guys.” I
said, “You guys gotta come in here and listen to this. There‟s something going on out here. You
know, there seems to be something happening in Vietnam.”
00:06:00
V: And the guys were saying, “Oh, Pitetti, you know, shut up.”
And, you had Rich Nelbo, who spent 18 months as a Marine over there. And, you had Danny
White, the Danny White who killed Mayor Mosconi. That was one of my buddies! And he
served with 82nd for a while there. And, you had me. Every one of those guys who were sitting

�there, whether they got away- whether they got out of the Draft, somehow found a way to go into
the Reserves to stay out of Vietnam, or went into the Peace Corps, it all affected, it affected
everyone in that room that day, in many ways.
So, that was something I remember exactly and how it affected all of us, the Bay of Tonkin
Incident, and how we were all affected by the that incident and the commitment to go into
Vietnam.
I: Alright. Now, did it occur to you at this point that you might get drafted because of that?
V: I was- I‟ve read a lot of guys who served in Vietnam, I‟ve seen many of your videos online. I
think for many of us, we were raised… My dad was in World War II. My Uncles were in World
War II. All of his buddies at the fire department when I would go down there and talk to them
were in World War II. My godfather – I know the movie The Godfather makes all us Italians
look like we part of the Mafia, but a godfather in an Italian family is a very important person.
And, my godfather, Steve Caccia, was with Patton. In North Africa, he got wounded. In Sicily,
he got wounded. In the march into Rome, he got wounded So, here I have a godfather with three
Purple Hearts. And so, it was expected, I felt, that you served your country.
00:08:06
V: So, when the time came into my Sophomore year, I really, I was majoring in Pre-Med and
Biology, but I knew my GPA was not going to get me into medical school, so I was thinking
maybe I‟d go to graduate school, maybe I‟d teach. But, I was saying, “Well, I don‟t want to get
drafted. I know enough about the military, that you had to go the first two years in ROTC.” It
was a land grant college if you were of draftable age, so I had spent two years in ROTC already.
So, I said, “Well, when I graduate, I‟ll put in two years of active duty and two years Reserve
Unit after that, just do my time.”
In 1966, yes Vietnam was warming up. I had Rich Nelbo, the guy that was in there, come back in
1967 after 18 months who said, “Don‟t go.” [Laughs]
Danny White came back from Vietnam, said, “Don‟t go.”
So, I had that information, but I still had this feeling that I had to serve my country. It just sounds
a little emotional, but I-I knew enough history to know the sacrifices that were made for me to be
experiencing the affluence and opportunities that I was experiencing, and somehow, I felt that I
owed this country my time, and if it was during a war that-. Believe me, you could not live in
San Francisco and not know about the Vietnam War, and I read material about the questions
about the Bay of Tonkin, especially the second incident that were shadows on the radar, that
really didn‟t happen, so before I even went active duty, I knew that the Bay of Tonkin was of
questionable veracity. I‟ve read enough and saw- I mean, there were marches every other day in
San Francisco against something. My apartment was in the middle of Haight-Ashbury district.
So, you saw this whole hippie scene, San Francisco.
00:10:31

�V: The campus of the University of San Francisco is approximately four blocks from the, from
Golden Gate Park, and approximately eight blocks from the corner of Haight-Ashbury. So,
believe me, you could not live in those times and not be aware of all of these things that were
there, Civil Rights, Women‟s Rights, the question of the Vietnam War, it was very adamant on
campus. I mean, when we would march on days of ROTC, there would be people around the
parade grounds with banners against us, against Vietnam, and so, we lived with that over our
heads all the time.
And so, but, I still felt an obligation to serve my country.
I: How did you kind of view the protestors and stuff?
V: I viewed them as somebody, I viewed that they were sincere in what they felt about, I actually
understood why they felt that way. I had read enough to know about the questions of the
Vietnam War, so I wasn‟t somebody some gung-ho individual. The only problems I have with
those who participated in the Anti-War Movement of Vietnam was not their cause. It was what
they said to us when we came home. That was wrong. We didn‟t start that war, we had nothing
to do with that war, yet we were the low-hanging fruit that they could pick off in airports. And I
heard, one of the things you hear from the men that I led in that jungle was what they went to,
because when I got wounded, I went back, I was flown back and I went to a hospital. I didn‟t
have to face what these guys had to face coming back in the airports.
00:12:47
V: The stories I heard, it‟s shameful. It‟s just bloody shameful what they were called. You know,
here were guys that were drafted. They knew nothing, they were 19 or 20 years-old whey they
get drafted. They knew nothing about the Vietnam War. And, here they‟re called all these
terrible things. And I was called these terrible things when I went on campus. I started when I
was going through recovery at what was Letterman Army Hospital in San Francisco, it‟s not
there anymore.
But I asked the, while I was going through rehabilitation I asked the doctor if I could start my
master‟s program at San Francisco State.
And he said, “Sure, as long as you‟re back in your bed by 10:00 at night, you can start your
classes, you can start your master‟s degree.”
So here I am with one leg, my wife is pregnant with our first son, and I had to move on with my
life. I had to start getting ready to get a job, and at that time I was going to start teaching, so I
needed my teaching credential, I needed to start on my master‟s degree.
00:13:47
V: When I went out there to register, this was in January of 1971 I think, when I was still
officially in the Army, all‟s I had, I had hardly any clothes. I had my jacket, my Army jacket, I
was with the 1st Division and then I was in the 101st tags, Combat Infantry Badge, I was standing
in line with no leg, my leg had not been developed yet so all I had was this cast with an extension
of a foot on it, and crutches. And I was a target! And, I mean, I was a target. And you know,

�people didn‟t say, “Oh, can we get you to the front of the line?” No. “Screw you, you stand in
line, and by the way, we are going to call you all of these names.”
And then, my first semester there, nobody would be my lab partner. Nobody would be my lab
partner because who I was. And all throughout, I entered academia, I entered where the liberals
were, you know. And listen, I‟m a democrat, okay, I‟m a democrat, but I wasn‟t the democrats
that called me names and I felt did some shameful things.
And throughout, I would be at parties, and somebody would say, “Hey, Ken, I heard you were in
Vietnam.” And, you know, there may have been seven of us standing there, but when somebody
brought up that, by a minute later everyone had receded, and the only person who would be there
would be me and the guy asking the question, and the guy asking the questions, was wishing the
hell he would never ask the questions.
I would be at parties, and somebody would make remarks like, “You were that dumb to serve in
Vietnam? You got a degree and you went to Vietnam?”
So, this was the stuff I caught in academia, which you know it really made me more determined
to succeed.
00:15:58
V: It said, no, you‟re getting your master‟s degree, and then, no Pitetti, you‟re going to get your
doctorate degree, because you are going to stay in academia and you are never going to let these
people be in a position to tell you what to do. Believe me, I enjoy it, every Veterans Day, to wear
my Vietnam Combat hat across this campus, and it‟s like, screw you, you know. So, I feel the
scars of, and I know that what‟s his name is going to be coming out with a PBS thingI: Ken Burns, yes.
V: Yes, and I read an article about that and I‟m hoping he does a good job.
I have met people who were part of that movement who did call us names, and I‟ve told them to
their face that they should be ashamed of themselves. Most of them would agreeI: Mhm.
V: -that now that they, now that they are old enough to know that they shouldn‟t have done that.
But, I‟ll tell you what. I still carry the baggage of that. And maybe it was something that really
spurred me on to be who I am right now.
I: Okay. Now, this of course is, a lot of this ideally comes at the end, but I don‟t care. So, now,
let‟s move back, though, in your story. Let‟s take you back. I‟d like for you to tell me what you
actually did in the ROTC program there.
V: Okay, in the ROTC program, nothing really became important until your upper division, until
your junior and senior year. Here I was, playing football. I was co-captain of the team. And, we
would have the cadre in our- the officers that ran ROTC had one or two combat tours in
Vietnam. They knew where we were going. So, we used to take tests in a room not much bigger

�than the room we are in right now, and they would have on the corners combat films of Vietnam,
volume full up. And they had in front of us, at that time we had stereos. They would have the
stereo full blast with marching music and they would walk around throwing fire crackers. They
said, “If you cannot think under these situations, then you will not be able to think in combat.”
You know, I was wondering why they did that, but, boy, were they spot on.
00:18:26
V: And then we would have what I would call 72-hour no sleep weekends. They would load us
up on a bus and take us across the bay to Fort Roberts or Fort Cronkhite or down to Fort Ord, to
the different military locations. And we wouldn‟t sleep. They would just do nothing but
classroom work, compass work, nighttime compass, drill, compass, compass, compass. Knowing
the map, knowing the compass, knowing how many steps you take at night to make 100 meters.
They drilled that into us.
Okay, 12:00 Saturday night. “Pitetti you‟re the platoon leader. Here‟s your platoon. This is your
mission. You have thirty seconds- you have thirty minutes to put a plan together. Lead your
platoon.” And you always screwed up, because there was an ambush waiting for you. They
would say, “Okay, Cadet, you screwed up. Do you know why?”
And I would say something like, “No, sir, the Cadet has no excuse.”
And they would say, “Okay, here‟s what you did wrong.” They would say, “You didn‟t have
your flank covered. You weren‟t up front with your point man and your slack man.” They would
just, very constructively, say what you did wrong. They weren‟t yelling at you. They would say,
“This is what you did wrong, and we‟re telling you this because you‟re gonna be in charge of
people and lives will matter.”
00:19:57
V: And that was- I got some great training by those people just in the two years of ROTC. I
know everybody thinks ROTC is sort of a lame way to become an officer, but the cadre that we
had at that time, the NCO cadre as well as the officer cadre at the University of San Francisco,
was top notch and they knew where we were going.
So, here comes my senior year and you gotta choose a branch. [laughs] Okay, this is 1968. The
Tet Offensive had just occurred, and you had to choose a branch. Let me see, there‟s infantry,
and then there‟s infantry, and then you get to choose infantry. I was saying, I don‟t know about
this, so that the Colonel called me into his office.
He said, “Ken, I hear you‟re having trouble about picking a branch.”
“Well, kind of, sir.”
He says, “Ken, well I‟ve been watching you on that football field and you are a born leader. You
are infantry.”
[Chuckles]

�And I said, “Yes, sir.”
And he said, “Could you sign this to dictate the branch that you‟re going in?”
I said, “Yes.” [pen on paper noise] Infantry.
I: Right.
V: So here I go. Okay, so I go to infantry. So, I spent an extra semester. My first year of college,
I didn‟t play ball. And then, because I had, because I majored in Biology, I had labs. So, I
couldn‟t get my whole curriculum in in four years. It took me an extra semester, which I was
able to play an extra semester of football in the fall of „68.
So, I didn‟t go right until the summer of ‟69.
I: M-kay. So, when do you actually graduate from college, then?
V: Officially, I graduate in the fall of 1968.
I: Okay, so, December, at the end of fall term?
V: Right, December of 1968, yeah.
00:22:00
V: Now, I look back at this, and had I not, if I graduated on time, had I arrived in the 101st
Airborne Division, I would have been either in the lead-up to Ripcord or in the A Shau. [Laughs]
Life takes crazy turns.
I: Alright, so now after, so now you graduate at the end of ‟68.
V: There wasn‟t a position opening in what was called Infantry Officer Basic Training at Fort
Benning until early, until late spring. So, I went in then and trained at Fort Benning, well, I
trained at Fort Lewis for what we called Summer Camp, ROTC‟s summer camp, which was six
weeks of basically boot camp. And then, I went out to Fort Benning in Georgia to start on IOBC,
which the other graduates at West Point and VMI and Citadel, everybody who graduated and
was in the infantry went into Fort Benning IOBC.
I: Alright, so what did that program consist of?
V: IOBC was an extension of what I was doing in ROTC, I think. It was map courses, given
small unit tactics. Okay, you‟re the squad leader. Okay, Pitetti, you‟re the second squad leader,
and so and so is the squad leader and so and so is the platoon leader. And, that would change
daily. Everybody would get a position. You‟d go through the typical infantry training. At that
time, we were still, I think we were still using M-14s. I don‟t think they had M-16s for all of the
training I did. I remember using an M-1 when I started ROTC.
I: Old World War II rifles.
00:24:10

�V: Old World War II rifles. In fact, I qualified with the M-1 one of the weekends we went there.
And then we got M-14s for the rest of ROTC. And, I didn‟t really see an M-16, I don‟t think,
until Fort Benning, Georgia. I think up at Fort Lewis, Washington, I think we still had M-14s.
And, then I first qualified with the M-16 there at Fort Benning.
So, okay, you did your qualifications. You‟d take your M-16 apart and put it back together again.
Qualify throwing a hand grenade. Qualify with the M-16 machine gun, what an M-79 grenade
launcher is. All the basic small arms, uh, weapons. Map courses, map courses, compass courses,
night compass courses, over and over again. And running you, and doing what Infantry people
are going to do. I think the Army trained us well to prepare us. I don‟t think anything happened
in Vietnam that I wasn‟t really prepared to do. So, I think, somewhere along the line, we got, we
got good training.
00:25:30
I: And was radio and communication a part of that too?
V: Yes, and artillery. Artillery. [Laughs] Calling in artillery. Using the map, how do I adjust
artillery? That was pretty much drilled into us. The other thing was, we got a total of three hours
of working with TNT and C4. A total of three hours. Now, in Vietnam, C4 was used a lot, and I
kinda knew how to use it, but the first, I was with my platoon for maybe ten days, and they said,
we‟re getting ahead, but. So, you got three hours of so-called training in explosives. So, we get in
there, we get in an area, said, “Okay, now you gotta blow an LZ.”
“Okay, umm, let me see. I think I‟ll put C4s up against the trees, and then I‟ll take a det chord
and I‟ll connect all of the C4s, and let me see, I‟ll put this explosive into the first C4, so maybe if
this explodes maybe the det chord will just explode all the rest and the trees will go down.
So, I hook it all up, and we do it all, and my radio man says, “So Lt., do you know what you‟re
doin‟?”
And I said, “Oh yeah. Yeah, I‟ve got this.”
So, we come back and we pull out, fire in the hole, boom. [Noise] All the trees go down. I look
up, holy cow, and my radio man goes, “That was cool, Lt.”
So, now, I walk out into the middle of the area and go like this to my platoon. [Claps, laughs.]
So, after three hours I became the expert. And, I told my radio man, he goes, “Man, you really
know what you were doing, Lt.”
And, I said, “Yeah, good training. Just good officer training.”
I: Alright, how long was the infantry school?
V: Ah, four months, I think.
I: Alright, was there any notable difference between the West Pointers and the rest of you?

�V: Um, I think there was a little bit with the West Pointers and the guys from the Citadel. I think
they felt that- I called them abused children, because they felt that they had gone through all this
tough thing, and when they found out I was from San Francisco, they said, “Oh, you‟re a hippie,
man. You‟re not Infantry.”
And I‟m saying, “Oh, alright. Whatever, whatever you guys gotta say so.”
00:28:13
V: And there was a limit of ring knocking [knocks on table] with the West Pointers, and it-it-it…
Look, if you‟re thinking about putting a- having a career in the military, even then, you better go
to West Point, you better go to Academy, the Citadel, the VMI. You know, that‟s the nature of
the beast. When you go to those schools to train you to be a military person. I just wanted to
serve my country and go back to civilian life.
So, yeah there was, but I got into a group of guys from the Citadel, and they were absolutely
crazy. They were great guys. They, they adopted me. They adopted me and said, “Y‟all better
stick around with us and we‟ll show you how it‟s done.”
So, I said, “Okay,” and I went along with them. [Chuckles]
I: M-hm. So, when did you finish all of that?
V: Oh, I left there in late- early fall.
I: Okay.
V: Of ‟69, and was assigned to, at that time it was the 24th Division at Fort Riley, Kansas, which
became the 1st Division at the end, towards ‟70, I think. ‟70, ‟71, the 1st Division came back to
Fort Riley. But, at that time, it was the 24th Mech and I became a platoon leader in the 24th Mech
and we were the back-up for Europe. So, we did everything armor. It was APCs, and tank sort
of, uh, military movement. But, then, this was, at that time, there was a gas shortage. They
couldn‟t afford- they couldn‟t afford to keep the APCs and tanks going.
00:30:10
V: So, they said, “Okay, you guys are now straight leg.” Which was good. So, we, when we did
our maneuvers we would be Infantry. And, there was a lot of guys who had just come back from
Vietnam and were part of my platoon and were waiting for, they had four, maybe six months left
before they got out.
And I said to them, they were in my platoon, I said, “Look, guys. I would appreciate when we
would go out and do these maneuvers that you teach me whatever you think I should know as a
platoon leader in Vietnam.”
And they were really good about it. They said, “Well, Lt., let‟s go out on an ambush tonight.”
I said, “Okay.”

�And, so, they would take me out on an ambush and show me how to get out of the perimeter they
were in, where to go. First of all, do this, get away from your perimeter. Sit low. How to
gradually move to your ambush location, how to set your claymores up.
These guys, they could have said, “Screw you, Lt., I don‟t care anymore.” But, I think they had
saw enough in Vietnam to realize that maybe I could save some lives. And I thought, I thought
those guys were really good, and I learned a lot from them at Fort Riley.
I: So, how long were you there?
V: [Exhales] Six, seven months? I got my order maybe five months there? That I was going.
I: Before we move out, what was kind of daily life like for you there?
V: At Fort Riley?
I: Yeah.
V: You showed up to your, uh, at 7:00, around the front of your formation. They found out that I
had played, that I was the jock of the company and the brigade. And they said, “Okay, Pittetti,
you‟re going to lead the daily dozen, and you get to take them on a two-mile run.”
00:32:03
V: So, that‟s what I did most mornings before we started anything. And then, again, there would
be mortar training, there would be keeping the APCs going, going out in the APCs, playing war
games. You, you leave on a Monday morning and you come back on a Saturday morning. At that
time, you went Saturdays too. You went Saturdays until 12 noon.
And you would play war games out in the back lots of Kansas here, up at Fort Riley. You‟d play
war games, red against the blue army and who could beat them. You went about being miserable
when it was cold. That‟s what we did, you played war games.
I: Were you living on base at that time?
V: I was living in the BOQs on base, yes.
I: Alright, so you weren‟t married yet at this time.
V: No, but I met my future wife, she was at Kansas State University. Fort Riley was, oh, twelve,
thirteen miles from Manhattan, Kansas, where K State was. Carol was a junior, so I, this is not
going -. I met her one night at a party, and the rest is history. We got married right before I went
to Vietnam.
I: So, at K State, they didn‟t just stay away from the military?
V: Well, they were told to, but with my Italian heritage, I could talk to people. I met her at a
party. We got into conversation. She‟s really beautiful; even now, she‟s just a really beautiful
lady, both inside and out. I just want to say this, I don‟t know how many of your people say this,
but, uh, our wives are Vietnam Veterans, too, because they had to put up with us when we came

�home. Nightmares, not sleeping, not wanting to talk about it. You know, I woke up one night
from a nightmare and I was strangling her. I had thought she was an NVA soldier who had just
come into my foxhole. And, and, she stayed with me. That‟s guts. That‟s commitment. So, I just
want to say that she is, she is not only been part of my life, but she is my life.
00:34:22
I: Alright, so, now before you leave Fort Riley, did you yourself switch from the 24th Division to
the 1st division?
V: Yeah, we did. In fact, my last two weeks there, I think the last two weeks they switched over
to it, to this division. And I was like, on my way out, you had to switch the patch on your
uniform, ah jeez.
And then, I got orders to go down to jungle training in Panama before. They were doing that a lot
now, I think they were doing that to a lot of guys, that before they went to Vietnam, and this was
good training. Let me tell you, I think those three weeks in Panama was really, because that
really got you back into small units. And again, I think the cadre, both the officers and the NCOs,
down at that Panama jungle school were really top notch and really prepared for what you were
going to face in Vietnam. Good people, good training.
I: Okay, and from there do you get a leave or-?
V: Yeah, I get a leave. Three weeks? And Carol Sue kisses me goodbye at Travis Air Force
Base. We made the Arctic go from there to Anchorage, Alaska, to Japan, into Tan Son Nhut Air
Force Base.
Yeah, there‟s a story here that I can tell you.
00:36:00
V: So, so we arrive Ripcord‟s going on. And, I don‟t know anything about the Ripcord. I don‟t
know where the 101st is. I know nothing.
I: So, when are you arriving there?
V: I‟m arriving in August.
I: August of –?
V: August of ‟70. Ripcord had just got over.
I: That ends in July.
V: Yeah. Ripcord is July 23. I arrive in early August. Okay, and so, you arrive there, and they
say to change your money and go get your equipment. This is Vietnam, and you‟re in a different
country. And they say this- you‟re always arriving in the middle of the night, okay? You go to
your barracks or whatever, get some sleep, and tomorrow you‟re going to get up and we‟re going
to have a formation or whatever, get all your equipment. And then, by that night, you‟ll have
your assignment.

�Okay, so I look up on the board: 101st Airborne Division, okay? Okay. Second of 506 [2nd
Battalion, 506th Regiment]. Okay. So, they, we had, they were going to move us out that night
and fly us C-130, I think, up to Phu Bai. Phu Bai to Hue, and up to Camp Evans.
I: M-hm.
V: So, I‟m walking to the so-called Officer‟s club. It was a big parachute covering an area that
had beer and warm drinks. So, a guy is coming at me, he has his green beret on. Captain. And it
was, it was, it was Mike Brady who I went to ROTC with at U of SF.
So, Mike‟s coming, and I say, “Mike!”
And he goes, “Ken!” And, we are talking. So, he says, “So, where‟s your assignment?”
I said, “I‟m going up to 101st.”
He goes, “No.” He says, “Let me make a phone call. Ken, let me make a phone call and I‟ll get
you to another unit.”
00:38:06
V: And I said, “Why, Mike?”
And he says, Mike, Mike says, “You don‟t want to go north.”
“Okay, listen, you know, I got assigned there, I‟m going there.”
And he said, one more time, “Let me go in and make a phone call.”
I says, “No, Mike, I got my assignment and I‟m going.”
And he says, “Okay, then. You‟re not buying another drink the rest of the night, okay?”
Now, go forward, I‟m in the hospital in San Francisco, at Letterman Hospital. One night, in
comes Mike. And he stands in front of the bed like this. And he said, “Didn‟t I tell you to let me
make that phone call?”
I said, “Shut up. Come here, Mike.” And we hugged one another.
So, anyways, we fly up there to Phu Bai. The C-130 lands, and they say, basically, “We‟re going
to taxi in, turn around, and then start taxing out, so you better not ask this thing because we ain‟t
stopping.”
Well that says, I think there‟s something happening up here.
So, I get out, and we get our equipment out. I need to relieve myself, so we have these piss tubes
that they were called. So, I go over there, and I piss, and we‟re looking at the mountains, these
mountains. So, I‟m looking at these mountains, and this NCO comes up next to me and he‟s
using the tube. And, I look at these mountains and the sun is just coming up.
He said, “Take a good look at those mountains, Lieutenant, „cuz that‟s where you‟re gonna be.”

�And I said, “Thank you, Sergeant.”
So, there you go in, you go into P training. Five days of P training, repelling out of a helicopter,
making sure the M-79 and how it works, the M-60 and how it works, how to work it. 39:00
So, we‟re up out, outside Camp Evans, right outside Camp Evans. We‟re in the bleachers and we
are getting the drill on the M-79. And there‟s the beginning of the lowland mountains over here.
These Cobras are coming in about one kilometer away from us and they are just blasting this
area with 40mm rockets and hitting them with things.
And the guy goes, “Oh, it looks like there is a platoon in trouble. Anyway, guys, the M-79…”
I: [chuckles]
00:39:52
V: [laughs] Okay. That night, we get hit with rockets, and then the next day, the company, the
Charlie Company chief comes to pick me up. And he goes, “Lt. Pitetti. Where‟s Lt. Pitetti?”
“Here.”
“Jump in.”
So, we go through, this is the middle of the night, so we‟re going up and down Camp Evans. We
come to the headquarters, the Charlie Company headquarters. We pull in and he lets me off.
So, I go in. The top sergeant is sitting behind a desk. He sat at this desk, and there were like, beer
cans all over the place. He‟s sitting there, smoking a cigar, and I walk in.
“Another lieutenant.”
“Yeah.”
“Okay, drop your shit right there, Lt. Want a beer?”
I said, “Well, you know.”
He said, “Trust me, you better have a beer, because where you‟re going tomorrow, you ain‟t
going to see any of this stuff.”
“Okay, alright, Top. You know, I got you.” So, I take it.
So, anyways, the next day I get pulled up, flown out to Rakkasan
I: Let‟s back up a little to a couple of things in this transitional phase. You referenced P training,
what was that?
V: P training was five days where you were in country. Basically, they give you five days to
adjust, and they‟re introducing you to the enemy. What is the standard operating procedure of the
enemy? The ones you were up against were the most well-trained North Vietnamese Army
soldiers, there is. This is not Viet Cong territory. This is NVA territory. Here‟s a few ambushes.
Here‟s-here‟s what you‟re looking for, here‟s what your point man is looking for, is cut off trees.

�When you see cut off trees, that means that you got a bunker up ahead of you. They‟ve sparsed
the trees, so the bunker can have its rifle bars trained on you. So, when you‟re out, and you start
seeing these things, you back off, because you‟re getting into a bunker complex. Ah, stay off of
trails if you can. How they set up. You leave anything, they will use it against you. Police your
area. Noise security. Just basic infantry stuff that should be reminded of before you go out in the
field.
00:42:26
V: So, it introduces you to the enemy you‟re facing, the types of ambushes they have, things like,
if you see cut off trees just clear the area out for an ambush, you‟ve got a bunker. What to do
when you hit a bunker, how to approach a bunker. All the basic things that anyone has to know
at high corps at that time against the North Vietnamese Army and their techniques. So, standard
operating procedures, relearning the M-60, relearning how to shoot your M-79, throwing a
grenade, just to remind you how things are done. Rappelling out of a helicopter. Those were
things that were done in P-training.
I: So, was any of that new or useful?
V: No. All of it, all of it was always useful. How to get in and out of helicopters. It was always
useful. It was redundant sometimes, but you know, in combat, there‟s nothing wrong with
redundancy.
I: And then you mentioned the rocket attack.
V: Yeah, 122 rockets. You had hills right outside of Camp Evans. And you, we were in the low
lands, right next to the coast of Camp Evans and Camp Eagle, which for us was right off of the
coast. And you, if you went about five miles, you hit rice paddies. And then you had the coastal
mountains that came up, and then they came down, and they you open into the mountains. A
huge mountain range that was between you and the Laotian border. And that was your area of
operations.
Sometimes, they would come down, and they would set up 122 rockets and knock off, or try to,
or maybe 82mm, just as close as they can and drop two or three or four, and just get out of the
area, and try to, you know, just see what they could hit.
00:44:27
I: So that was something over very quickly.
V: Yeah. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-boom. The sirens would go off, like yeah, okay, you know. Yeah, they
hit us. Yeah, so the sirens seemed to be always going off after the impact. Yeah.
I: So, we can take you back on your story now. So, basically youV: So, I take a Chinook, a big Chinook with all this equipment on it. And, now, you‟re trying to
– I‟ve got all of this equipment, I‟ve got a to try to stay in the chinook and it‟s coming up. I‟m
kinda looking out, seeing the low lands go and the coastals. Then, I look up and there‟s
Rakkasan, our base at Rakkasan.

�So, you fly in, you get off and go up into the bunker complex area like all firebases had. And so,
I don‟t- I‟m looking for Charlie Company. I‟m walking up, and these artillery guys were there.
They said, I said, “Where‟s Charlie Company?”
“You new Lt.?”
“Yeah.”
[scoffs] “Charlie Company is right over there.” [laughs]
Okay, so, I go down. So, I‟m walking around. So, these bunkers, you know you got all these
bunkers with stairs that go straight down. And I don‟t know what bunker Charlie Company is in.
So, another guy walks by, and I said, “Hey, where‟s Charlie Company?”
“You new Lt?”
“Yeah.”
“Huh, Charlie Company is right down there.”
So, I go there. There‟s four guys sitting down there, no shirts on. They‟re playing bridge. So, I…
“You the new Lt.?”
“Yes.”
[both laugh]
00:46:05
V: “Is Captain Lamb here?”
So, Captain Lamb, who‟s all of 5‟8”, 130lbs., looks up and he says, “I‟m Captain Lamb. And
you‟re Lieutenant -?”
“Pitetti.”
“Pitetti. I didn‟t know how to pronounce that name.”
I said, “It‟s Italian, sir.”
He goes, “You know how to play bridge?”
“Yeah.”
“Okay, good,” he said.
All of the sudden, we have impacts. 82mm impacts. Pwah-pwah in the air. And I‟m looking like,
should I do something?
He goes, “Sit down, Lt.”
“Well, shouldn‟t I go out to my platoon?”

�“Look it, they‟ve been taking care of themselves pretty well before you arrived, okay? So, they‟ll
know what to do.”
I: [laughs]
V: So, I go out and take over my platoon and this is-this is. A lot of times people say they‟re the
new guys when they‟re all just enlisted men, but for a lieutenant, it‟s hairy, too. So, you go out
there. I go out there to my platoon and my bunker area.
So, a guy comes up to me. “You new Lt.?”
“Yes.”
“Here‟s the f-ing compass, here‟s the f-in‟ map, and this f-in‟ platoon is all yours. And, Lt.? You
better have your shit together.” And he walks off.
So, that was, that was the introduction to, to, hello.
00:47:40
V: So, Captain Lamb says, “Get your stuff, go around and introduce yourself to your platoon.
Then, come back here.”
So, I said, “Fine, okay.”
I come back here. He goes, “We got about five days before we go back out in the field. We‟re up
here at the firebase, we‟re pulling perimeter for the firebase. Look, you will be actually able to
get half a pint of milk tomorrow for breakfast. Enjoy it. Okay, you‟re going to get some hot food,
just one hot food meal a day. Enjoy it. And, I want to get you up to snuff here before we head
back out to the field, okay?”
“Okay, right.”
“So, tomorrow, I want you to take a squad out and riff the area. Go around the perimeter of the
firebase to see if there‟s any trails or anything that looks suspicious.”
“Okay.”
So, I go out there and we do a riff. We stop every once in a while, in position. Ya know, I‟ve got
point man, slack man, me. Think I got that down. So, we‟re going around. We come back up. I
come back to him.
And he said, “Well, how‟d it go?”
It was like six hours that we were out there. So, I said, “Well, there doesn‟t seem to be anything
out there.”
He goes, “I got a pretty good report back from some of the guys. Said you kind of knew what
you were doing. This is a good start.”
I: [laughs]

�V: So he says, “Come out here.” So, he‟s standing, he‟s got his back to outside, looking towards
Laos. He says, “I want you to look over my shoulder. Don‟t stare, just look over my shoulder.”
This is Captain Lamb.
I just kind of went with it. I said, “Yes.”
“Do you see that sort of terrain, that hill about a click out that you can see the top of it,” he goes.
“Okay. Tomorrow, you‟re going to combat assault there because some equipment was left out
there. You gotta go out, and I want you to get that equipment. Load it back on helicopters.
Then,” he said, “I want you to lead your platoon back here, and I want you here by nightfall.”
“Okay.”
00:49:43
I: Who had been running your platoon before you got there?
V: Ah, good question. I believe Lt. Campbell had? Lt. Jim Campbell, who I communicated with
just recently. Burkey, Sgt. Burkey was a platoon sergeant.
Ah, another story.
So, that same day I took over the platoon, Burkey is running. He had been taken out of the field,
he had, he was short, he had maybe 30 days left. He was running re-supply from Camp Evans up
to Rakkasan, Firebase at Rakkasan. And he found out that there was a new officer to take over
3rd platoon. He also was involved in this, “Are you the new Lt.?”
So, he comes over to the bunker and I‟m sitting there, and he goes, “You the new Lt.?”
I said, “Yeah.”
He goes, he walks over and goes, “I‟m Sergeant Burkey.” He says, “You take care of my boys,
Lt., you hear me? You take care of my men.”
“Yes, Sergeant, I will do my best to take care of your men.”
So, this was all.
So, anyways. I go out, okay, and Lamb says to me when I‟m going out to do this, he says,
“You‟re going to be in lead ship. That‟s the way we do it here, Ken. You‟re lead ship, and you‟re
responsible for, once you land, to bring in all the rest of the helicopters, to bring in your platoon,
and then reload the supply and lead your people back here.”
“Okay.”
“By the way,” he said, “we‟re going to hit it with artillery and you‟re going to have Cobra gun
ships with you.”
You know, [gestures], okay?

�So, we‟re up there, circling, about six choppers, about six Hueys. And below us, they‟re just
hitting the shit out of this thing with artillery. I don‟t think it was from Rakkansan. It had to be
from another flyover, O‟Reilly or something. It was 155s, and 155s were too under range at that
place, so the artillery had to be coming from another Firebase.
So, I‟m watching as the place is exploding and I‟m going, “Okay, I‟m glad they prepped me for
this.”
00:52:02
V: And then, my helicopter peels off by itself and starts approaching this thing, and through,
from the outside come these two Cobras. And they are just hitting this thing with rockets.
[Rocket noises]. And I‟m looking over there, and as we go the machines, the M-60s off the side
of the helicopter are just strafing the hell out of this thing. And the bullets, the casings, are
coming in and hitting my helmet, you know?
So, and this is funny you know, I gotta replay this. So, I jump, we jump off of the helicopter and
I hit and I roll, and you know, I‟m upside-down, and I‟m backwards, and I‟m laying there. We‟re
all laying there, and nothing‟s happening, so I look over to my radio man and he says, “Okay,
Lt., pop a green smoke and bring in the rest of the choppers.”
“Got it.” [pats himself] “I don‟t know where my green smoke is.”
And he says, “What? You don‟t know where your smoke is?”
“No.”
He says, “Look, Lt., all‟s you have to do, all‟s we‟re asking you to do, is pop the green smoke
and bring the rest of the platoon in.”
I said, “I got that, but let me look and see if I can find the green smoke.”
So, he‟s on the radio, and he says, “Okay, you want me to tell these people up here that
everything is on hold until you find the green smoke?”
I said, “Don‟t say anything. [pause] I got the green smoke!”
And he goes, “Lt., now go out there and pop it and bring in the rest of the, the rest of the
helicopters. Now, you know how to do that, right?”
I said, “I got it.”
So, I pop the green smoke, bring in the rest of the platoon. We get back to the firebase that night,
come in, and so, I report to Captain Lamb.
He said, “Hey, you didn‟t do bad.” He said, “You know, I got some good reports on you.” He
said…
I: Is there anything notable about the walk back? It was your first time actually out there.
00:54:02

�V: We went, I went very slow. And, you know, one of the things I think that really impressed the
guys is that I was up front. Point man, slack man, me. And, we would go slow and sit down for a
while, listen. Go slow, sit down for a while, listen. Didn‟t take trails, cut through some jungle.
And, then, we had approached the perimeter from a certain location to be let into the wire. They
were waiting for us at this place so you couldn‟t approach it from any other location. I got them
back there, no casualties. Everything went well. You know, neat. I think I know what I‟m doing.
So, that‟s when Lamb begins to say, “Well, maybe this guy will be good, maybe he‟s going to
work out.”
I: And what was your impression of Lamb himself? How good of a commander was he?
V: Lamb was a… quiet commander, so when he talked, it was best that you listened. He was not
a rah-rah guy. He was, I think this was his third tour. He was, he was, uh, he was –
I: A Mustang?
V: A mustang. He was, he spent his first tour as an NCO. And, he knew his stuff. I mean, he was
a good Company Commander, I felt. I mean, I only had one company commander to compare
him to, but I felt he handled me pretty damn well in determining what I should do.
I gotta tell you another story, and this is an example of how, given that it‟s 1970, you get the
attitude that is not that high sometimes. There was one time that when I first arrived that Lamb
set a listening post over there past the re-supply landing post, so that you have three people over
there at that listening post.
“I want you to go over there with a radio man and see how they‟re doing.”
00:56:16
V: “Okay.”
So, I went over there. They are sitting in a circle playing cards, with their bags, just playing
cards. Just, they were on a picnic. So, well, how do you handle this?
Okay, so I walk in and I say, “Who‟s winning?”
They all look up. “Are you the new Lt.?”
“Yes.” Now, I said, “Look, I‟m going to put you in positions I think you should be in. And, when
I leave, you can go back to playing cards, but then your parents may get, “The Department of the
Army regrets to inform you that your son was killed.” And I may have to write back to your
parents and say, “Well, I didn‟t know them very well, but they were healthy the last time I saw
them.” I said, “It‟s your call. You can take your positions and stay there and do your job as a
soldier, or you can go back to playing cards, but I‟ll be back sometime.”
That‟s the way I kind of handled things, in terms of, I didn‟t feel it was my place. You had Leaf
in the front, you had the understanding that you had 19- 20- year-old kids who had been hearing
all of this anti-war information, had probably had demonstrations outside wherever they did their
bootcamp, their AIT, were actually questioning why they were there, and here they were. And,

�you know. That‟s the way they felt and you had to tell them what they should do, but when you
turn your back, they could do whatever they want.
But, basically, they were great guys. They were good men.
00:58:09
I: Now, how long did you actually spend in the field?
V: I was there for almost four months before I got wounded.
I: And then, proportionally, how much time did you spendV: I spent
I: Not on firebases orV: I was on that firebase for four days, and then I was never on another firebase. We had a short
stand down that we went down to Eagle Beach, but most of the time, we were in the field. That
was the standard operating procedure of the 101st, that you had any battalion that was in charge
of a firebase, and you had a company around the firebase for security, and you had companies
out in the jungle on patrol.
I: And when you‟re out on patrol, what‟s the purpose of that?
V: I think, looking back, I think we were bait. [Laughs] We were supposed to identify areas that
we felt there was a lot of travel going on, pull ambushes, identify bunker complexes, just try in
any way to prevent the movement of the enemy, prevent them from developing stores, caches of
food or weaponry. That was, I mean, that was basically what we were looking for.
000:59:58
V: I felt that, I mean, I felt that we kinda were bait because we knew once we came in contact,
we had all this support fire. And most of the time, that was where most of the enemy casualty
occurred. It didn‟t occur from the M-16 or the M-60s, but sometimes it did. But the NVA were
really good about getting their wounded and dead out of the area. They would not leave their
people. But, where I think they took a lot of their casualties was our support, our artilleries, our
F-4 and Cobra support. That‟s where I think they took their loss.
So, I think looking back, that‟s what we were there for, to bait them, to make contact, and then
bring supporting fire on them.
I: So, at this point this tape is about up, so we are going to pause here.

I: We were talking, now, about your time out in the field of Vietnam. You had learned the ropes
and sort of made the acquaintance of your men. About how many men did you actually have in
your platoon?
V: Depended on the day. I don‟t think there was- you were supposed to have thirty. Actually, ten
to a squad, that makes thirty, then you had your platoon sergeant, your platoon medic, your
platoon radio man, and your platoon leader. So, really, you should have 34 people.

�I: Would you, I guess the forward observers would be at the company level.
V: The forward observer would be with Cpt. Lamb, wherever Cpt. Lamb was. Cpt. Lamb would
maybe be with second platoon for a while. Maybe he would be with… He never was with me.
He was with First and Second Platoons. So, yeah, it was platoon operations. You worked as a
platoon.
So, again, you should have 34. I was lucky to have- 28 was the most I ever had. So, you maybe
had seven to nine in a squad, and many a night, I would take the CP, which I should be in the
middle, and I would go to the perimeter in order to fill in the perimeter.
01:01:59
V: Now, we were supposed, this is something I will say. There were decisions that had to be
made, that, it‟s like we talked about Hill 902, and how, perhaps, they shouldn‟t have been there
that second night. And I know people watching this stuff don‟t know what we‟re talking about.
[Pitetti‟s company had been overrun on that hill on July 2, 1970 because they had stayed there a
second night] And, perhaps, another company commander would have found a reason to move
off that hill.
I would be called up and say, “You should put an ambush at this location.”
If I, if I take an ambush out, they‟re up all night. My platoon is down to two squads. Maybe,
maybe sixteen men in a platoon pulling the perimeter, with another group maybe 100-150m
away.
So, I would call off my ambush, and there would be no ambush. We would be in a platoon
perimeter. So, you had to do those sometimes, because day after day, your men became
exhausted. There were so many things you had to worry about as a platoon leader: A, you‟d get
the order in the morning of where to be by that night. Captain Lamb would say basically that was
where he wanted us to be by that night. You instructed your platoon, your squad leaders and
squad sergeant because you knew because by that day, every day, you could be gone. You
acquainted them with what you were doing, where in the map you were, what the direction was,
what the purpose of that day was, where you should be that night, and, were something to
happen, where was your rallying point, where do you get your men to with the helicopters.
01:03:57
V: Now, during that day, you had, you‟d go down the ravines, I mean, the map was just contour
lines, and you would go down into the ravines and up into the ravines. You were, a, you had to
find in the line of march water, because guys would go through a gallon and a half of water a
day. So, you made sure you crossed the Green Line to get water for your men. You didn‟t want
them to reach position that night with empty canteens. So, you had that to worry about.
You had to stay off trails, but you had to be at a certain location by that night. So, you would
walk down this trail for maybe 100m and then you‟d get off and go this way to get off of them.

�You were constantly, you had your point man and slack man, and any time the point man saw
something he didn‟t like, he would go like this, and he would look at me, and he would come up,
you would go down, you would go up, you would look, you would assess the situation. Do I just
continue? Should I bring my squads up flanking? Are we into a, flanking me? Are we in a
situation where I need to watch my flanks?
So, all of these were decisions you had to make, and where were you on the map. Where were
you on that map? Because, if you did not know, and if you got in trouble, you couldn‟t direct
artillery, you couldn‟t direct leadership, you couldn‟t bring in medevac.
And, by the way, as you‟re going along here, what if you do get hit? Where are you going to
medevac? Where are you going to bring your guys to medevac? How‟re you going to get there?
01:05:54
V: So, there‟s all this logistic, and, by the way, guys are running out of boots. Guys need boots.
So, you better get back to the S4, you‟d better get back. These boots, these pants are falling
apart. So, you had those logistics that your platoon sergeant had to worry about. He was in
constant communication with you. So, you had those logistics.
And, okay, when you arrive that night, how are you going to get into that night defensive
position? Because you better not do the same thing every night, because you had trail watchers.
You knew you had trail watchers on you. You knew the NVA was watching you, every day, and
they would know how you, what your line of march was, how you would set up for a night
defensive position. So, you had to come up with different ways of setting up your night defensive
position, and never the same thing.
And, so, all that you were trying to run, and then, by the way, you were on two hours energy.
Everyone was on until 10:00 that night, and then you‟d go on two-hour watches. You would
maybe get six hours of broken sleep that night, pulling, maybe a 2-4 watch. And then you‟d get
to do the same thing the next day. That was the most exhausting, both physically, mentally and
psychologically, that I think I have ever experienced, was trying to stay up like that every day.
I: What kind of system did they have to keep you supplied?
V: Every four days, you got a resupply.
I: Would that come in in the morning usually?
V: Whenever. You didn‟t know. You‟d get the order from Cpt. Lamb to find a position to bring
in re-supplies and call back that position when you get it. And that‟s when I told you the funny
story about C4, that‟s what we were doing. We were bringing in resupply.
So, I‟d get it every four days, weather permitting. You would be responsible for finding the place
where they came in, and you‟d hand out the C-rations.
01:08:05

�V: And, the first, and the other thing was that the mail would come with it. You got 19-, 20year-old guys. They got girlfriends, they‟re writing letters to their mom, or whatever. Now these
guys, if they got the letter, they would sit there, and they would act like they were in their living
room on a Sunday reading the paper reading their letters, you know. They would forget all about
the fact that there was a war going on.
So, what I had to do, was when the re-supply came in, I had one of the platoons- one of the
squads load up and start out and start going in the direction that I wanted to go. Usually, I would
put my platoon sergeant with them and say, “I want you to get to this area and secure this line of
march.”
So, as soon as stuff was unloaded, you would start giving it out to your squads. C-rations, a third
of the c-rations you would just throw away. You would not need all of that stuff, and you had to
carry the stuff. And c-rations are heavy. They‟re not like the stuff that they have, whatever they
call that. So, a lot of guys would throw stuff away. You had to empty the camp, remember, men,
do not leave anything for the enemy. You had to empty your cans and make sure nobody left the
empty cans. They would use them as, they would put a grenade in them and leave it out in the
pathway, if you‟re using along the trails. Some G.I. would come along and kick it.
So, you had that to worry about, guys who wanted to read their mail from home, and you said,
“No. We‟re going to up and get the hell out of here, because we just marked our position.” And it
wasn‟t until maybe 4:00 that evening when I knew we had made enough, had traveled far
enough, close to our night defensive position, that I would sit down, make sure everybody got
what they were supposed to get, whether it be enough machine gun M-60 bullets or whatever,
and give them time to read the letters. And then, head off again to our night defensive position.
1:10:20
V: So, to me, resupply day every four days was a pain in the ass because you had that human
nature, and you wanted to just sit down and say, “Forget the war Lt., let me read my letter from
my girlfriend, or from my mom! Let me just experience a few minutes of just enjoying this.”
And you‟d say, “No, you can‟t, we‟ve gotta move out. Come on, let‟s go.”
So, those were some of the things you had to do to keep people alive.
I: One of the things I noticed before we started this interview, you were showing me some clips
that the 101st Airborne had had, and there were a lot of guys out in the field very close together.
When you‟re actually marching, how far apart are you?
V: It depends on terrain. Most of the jungle was pretty damn thick, so if you string out 28 guys,
28-25 guys, all single file through the jungle, they might be, they might be five to ten meters, feet
apart. Some places, you would lose sight of the man in front of you in a matter of five meters.
So, it‟s important to keep your men together, but not too close together. Now, what, what the hell
was going on behind me, I had no clue. That was the squad leaders and the platoon sergeants. I
was focused on point man, slack man, me. And, right behind me was a radio with an antenna on
it, to say to the enemy, you know something, the guy with the radio was the platoon leader. So,

�there were a whole lot of other things, so I expected the squad leaders and platoon sergeant to
make sure that guys didn‟t get lost, and that they weren‟t clustered up, but they weren‟t so far
away that they couldn‟t see one another. I don‟t know if that answers your question, but it was
thick.
Now, there were sometimes that the area would become sparse. There was, Agent Orange was
being dropped, so there were like splotches of jungle that were dead. So, you would hit that,
point man would hit that, bring me up, and what I would do, I would circumvent, send a couple
squads this way and a squad this way, and we would circumvent. We wouldn‟t walk through that
area. Now, you could see people and it was easier to travel with that. Those were the only times
that I remember that we didn‟t go single file.
I: How much actual contact did you have with any enemy ground troops as opposed toV: You had, it was whenever they wanted to make contact with you. There were sometimes
when we would look back. There was one day we saw a trail watcher. We knew he was calling,
we felt he was calling. He was with a radio man, so we felt this guy might be calling league too
[?]. It was a rush for me to get to Cpt. Lamb, to get artillery up to that area, and I guess we won
because we didn‟t get hit.
They, there was one time they hit us, it was in the morning. And we were just beginning to break
camp, if you will, heading out in the direction we were supposed to go. And they hit us with full
RPGs. And they hit one of the guys really bad. He fell out over the, there was a slight cliff that
was there, and the men rallied real well, they had just got back down to their positions to begin to
re-fire. We got the kid that was wounded was wounded real bad and we knew we had to get a
medevac out real soon.
The thing is, they were beginning to figure out our line of march. They were beginning to booby
trap all of the old LZs in the area. They were starting to booby trap all of the trails in the area.
And, so therefore once… So, there we are and I know there‟s an LZ in about 300m, and we‟re
going to have to take the trail. If we‟re going to get this guy out, we‟re going to have to take the
trail.
01:15:13
V: So, I just said, you know, “Give me point man.” And this guy instantly stands up with his M16. And, I‟m saying this because I want to tell the people listening the courage, and the service,
and how they felt about their fellow soldiers, to do anything to make sure they saved them.
So, he has to get up and takes the machine gun, and he starts boppin this thing. [gun noises]
Nailing that gun, hitting areas in front of us, and we‟re carrying this kid through the trail and
onto the LZ. Medevac comes in, we get him on the medevac. Haven‟t hit a mine yet.
And we get back to the perimeter. They had receded. I think they got what they wanted. They
were telling us, “We‟re here.” And, that‟s an example of what would happen. Bang, they would
just hit you. You would return fire, stand your ground, and try to get your wounded out. That was
our life.

�01:16:27
I: In the space of about four months, how many times do you think you would have that sort of
contact?
V: About four or five times we had actual contact.
I: Then how common was it to hit booby traps or mines?
V: Oh, the last two weeks I was there, it was, monsoons had set in and it slowed everything
down. We weren‟t getting in resupply because of the weather. It‟s hard to think about being cold
in the jungle, but when its been raining for 24 hours, never stops, not one stitch of clothing is
dry. It‟s all wet. And, at night it gets down to 68 degrees up there, up in the mountains, and you
are cold. Your guys start getting sick and running fevers. And I would say, in those two weeks,
all of us were sick. And they began, you could hear during the day, the other units hitting land
mines. You could hear them going off.
And, what I‟m going to say is, I didn‟t want to tell this story because I wasn‟t sure about this
story, about what happened the last day I was there. But, just about four years ago, I hooked up
with the then platoon sergeant, my then platoon sergeant, Chuck Riley. We‟ve been talking, and
in fact, we communicate a lot via email.
01:18:11
V: And so, he said to me, “Do you want to know what happened?”
I said, “Yeah.” He said, I said… Basically here‟s what I think.
We had three units, three platoon units. Cpt Lamb had fallen hard on. So, we had a West Point
guy that was platoon leader. He‟s a good man. And First Platoon, that Lt. had stepped on a land
mine earlier that morning. So, then it was just him and me, there were two more Lt.‟s left. And
then, that lieutenant got into problems, his platoon got into problems, and he hit a land mine.
So, they called up to me, my call sign was 2-5, 2-3. They said, “2-3, this is 7-Alpha.” 7 was the
company commander, 7-Alpha was the radio man. He said, “2-3, you are now 7. We need you.”
And, I said, “I think he‟s telling me that explosion we heard got that lieutenant.”
Now, I‟m trying not to, this is two weeks of being out in the rain, trying to get through the
jungle, being exhausted. And, I just wasn‟t thinking right. And, I said, “We gotta move, we gotta
move.”
And, I know Chuck said, “Don‟t go down that trail, Lt.”
“We‟ve gotta move closer,” I said. “We gotta hook up, we gotta hook up. We‟re in trouble.”
And, bang, I hit the landmine.
01:19:58

�V: And, basically, he came out and put a tourniquet on my leg, and guys in the platoon came out
and laid down fire so he could recover me back into the jungle. And then, and then he called in a
Medevac.
And when the Medevac came, we had two wounded guys on that thing. They picked me up with
a jungle penetrator, because they couldn‟t land. There was no place to land.
I: So, what is a jungle penetrator?
V: A jungle penetrator is a little seat on the end of a metal rope. So, he had to come over and
hover and send it down. And Chuck Riley literally had me on his back and carried me and
slapped me into the seat. And he was yelling to the radio man to tell them to pull it up.
So, I‟m coming up, and there are tracers going through the air. [Laughs] And I‟m going, “You
know, I don‟t think this is going to be good.”
And, so, the helicopter pilot, and I‟ve been trying to find this guy, begins to move. I‟m dangling
from the helicopter. He wants to get out of the area, so he‟s trying to clear me above the trees.
And they‟re wheeling me in at the same time. So, they‟re wheeling me in and I‟m going like this,
and you know, it‟s completely out of your control. So, I‟m going along a tree top. They‟re
wheeling me into the helicopter.
And so, the guy pulls me into the helicopter. There were so many casualties that day that the
bottom of the helicopter that day was thick with blood, sticky blood. So, I hit the bottom and I‟m
going like this in blood. And the guy that pulled me in looks at my leg and looks at me, and says,
you‟re yelling over the thing, says, “You‟re okay. Hang in there.”
01:22:10
V: And he turns around, and he‟s working on a guy on the other side of the helicopter.
And I‟m going, “Okay? I‟m okay.”
And I yell out, and I go, “Do you have any morphine?”
He turns around and says, “We ran out this morning.” So, he goes back over, and he‟s working
on the guy on the other side. And, I hear the guy who was just talking to me yell, “Oh my god,
we lost another one. We lost another one.” And he just leans over the guy.
So, I‟m laying there, and I look up, and there‟s this guy sitting above me, and he‟s got a thing on
his face, a big old bloody Band-Aid on his face, and his right arm is gone. It‟s, it‟s a stump. And
so, I‟m looking up at him, and he‟s looking down at me with one eye, and I reach up and we just
grab one-another‟s hand. We were just trying to give one-another courage until we got to the
field hospital.
When you get to the field hospital, there was so many casualties that day that there was no room
in the hospital. They were laying us out in the mud because it was still raining. It was just, this
was like a scene from the Civil War.

�And so, I‟m out there, and this nurse, these nurses, and may I say, the nurses were fantastic. They
were the angels over there. Those nurses probably saw more in a year than most nurses see in a
lifetime. And I know many of those nurses from stories I‟ve heard came back with PTSD just as
bad as many of us guys did. And there was nobody for them either, to talk to them about the
carnage that they saw. They were only 22, 23, 24 year-old lieutenants, the nurses, and they were
the angels.
01:24:17
V: So, this nurse kept on coming over to me. She would fade in and out. She would grab me by
the hand and say, “Honey, you hang in there, you hear? We‟re going to get you into the
operating room. I don‟t know when, but you hang in there and we‟re going to take care of you.”
Eventually, they got me into the operating room. And for those who aren‟t looking at me, when I
stepped on a land mine, it blew my leg off about six inches below my knee. It‟s called a
traumatic amputation. Very common wound sustained by many of us given the landmines that
were there lined up.
So, that‟s my story with how I survived. So, to those people looking at me, I‟m a miracle.
[Laughs] And when I came home, and when I came to after the operation, I thought about all that
had happened. And I thought about the men in my platoon and in my company. And I thought
about those two pilots that came and got me out of there. And I said to them that I felt that I
owed them, that I had to live my life paying those people back. I owed them to live a good life,
and I think I have.
I: I want to back track to a couple of things here. There are sorts of stereotypes that people have
about Vietnam and what happened there, and it doesn‟t often necessarily fit with reality.
Sometimes it does. One of them has to do with the drug use. Were you aware of that, or did you
see it either in the field or not?
01:26:00
V: [Sighs] When we were in the field, I can honestly say that I was not aware of any of it in my
company, okay?
Now, on Firebase, I made sure I made rounds to bunkers each night to make sure there was a
man in their position and that nothing funny was going on while we were on base. When we
were out in the field… So, I‟ll tell you how I know this. If I pulled, say, the first watch from 1012, I would have the guy that took the watch from 2-4 wake me up at 2. And then I would go
around to each of our positions. I would make sure that there was somebody on watch. Okay, so
that‟s how I can say I didn‟t see it. On the Firebase, I didn‟t see it.
Now, we had a stand down, and in the stand down, we came out of the field. You took all of your
clothes off and put them in a big pile and they burned them. You got, like, wow, clean, dry
clothes to wear. No, wait a minute, you got a shower! A shower! So, after soaping up about four
or five times, you got out and you got these clean clothes on, and on that night, it was a tradition

�that the officers went out and bought the booze. And the order was, you had steaks. And the
order was, you will be drunk by midnight.
Now, were there guys that went off and smoked weed? Hey, I don‟t know. I just told my men,
“Hey, look. I‟m going to get drunk tonight, and I‟m going to get drunk with you guys. So, if you
want to do anything else, it‟s your call, but if you get caught, I‟m really going to get pissed off.
Okay?”
01:28:11
V: And that‟s all I said. So, was there anything going on at a big stand down, at the big, big
Camp Evans, where you had the perimeter set up and we weren‟t soldiering at that time? There
could have been. I‟m sure there was. But that‟s what I know about the drugs.
I: Yes, that‟s the idea: what did you see where you were.
V: Yes, that is what I know about it.
I: And another big thing is racism. There was a lot of tension back home. You get a lot of kids
from back home that brought it with them. Did you see signs of that?
V: If you were back at a main base, like Camp Evans, there were areas where white men weren‟t
supposed to go. There were areas where black men weren‟t supposed to go. Back where the war
wasn‟t, there were racial issues. The little, the few days I was at Camp Evans, I did experience
some of that, so there was no doubt there were racial issues.
Out on the field, it didn‟t exist because of the situation you were in. Now, what was happening
back at Camp Evans, I‟m sure there was some racial strife going on. And rightly so. I mean,
look. Let‟s put me into, let‟s turn my skin into black, and have me raised, rather than in the
neighborhood I was in San Francisco, say I was black and raised in Hunter‟s Point, and I got into
the army. And, I couldn‟t get a job when I was young, but the idea of going to college wasn‟t
there. And, then when I go to Vietnam, I may have felt the same way, that what am I fighting for.
01:30:10
V: So, I tend to try and put myself into other people‟s shoes. I‟m not blaming anybody who is
black or white who had those feelings at that time. Again, if I was in their shoes I might have
felt- I probably would have felt the same way. But, they were there. And, so, they still exist
today.
I don‟t see it. I‟m a retired officer, I go out to McConnell Air Force Base every day, just about. I
work out there and I don‟t see a racial problem that existed, but we were being drafted at that
time, that‟s in the military now. I went back to Fort Campbell and I visited troops back there, and
I didn‟t feel the racial strife that I felt in the service.
And that‟s because everybody has to realize, look what was happening in the 60s. I lived through
two race riots in San Francisco. There were just, cities were burning. Civil Rights was huge at
that time. You had Eldridge Cleaver. You had leaders of the black community that were
speaking out about their rights, and, there were people that, I would too if I was black. I would

�have said, “Here, you know you‟re right. There should be more…” You had Malcom X. Kane. I
can remember listening to all of those people and going to an Eldridge Cleaver talk in San
Francisco. And you get the feeling that maybe if I were black, I‟d start feeling this way too.
So, that‟s where I come from. And, by the way, we had a foster son who was black. White
people are naïve when it comes to the undercurrent of racism that exists in our society. And, I
only knew about that by having a black kid in my family and raising him. To see through his
eyes and see his experiences, I was able to see racism that existed as an undercurrent in this
society. So, that‟s where I‟m at with that.
01:32:28
I: Alright. So, back to the main line of your story. So, initially you were in a field hospital in
Vietnam. Were you at Camp Evans initially this period or were at Eagle, or…
V: When I originally arrived?
I: Yeah.
V: When I originally arrived, I was in Da Nang, I flew up to Phu Bai
I: Actually, on your way out.
V: Oh! On my way out. So I‟m flown from Quang Tri, that was where the field hospital was, to
Denae. What they would do was that they would stabilize you at the field hospital for 24 hours.
Once stabilized, they would fly you into Da Nang. Da Nang was the main thoroughfare through
which you either went to Japan or you went back to the States. When I arrived in Da Nang, they
determined that I was stable and there wasn‟t a reason why I couldn‟t make the flight back to the
States and start my rehabilitation back in the States. So, I was flown from Da Nang to the
Philippines, to Hawaii, and into Travis Air Force Base in California. They flew me out to Fort
Simmons Hospital in Denver because my wife had gone back with her mom. She‟s from Dodge
City with her parents while I was over there. She came up and joined me in Denver.
01:33:53
V: After about three weeks there, I convinced the powers that be that look, all of my stuff is back
in San Francisco. My car is back in San Francisco. Carol was pregnant at the time and needed to
start seeing an assistant doctor every week. And she‟s between Dodge City and Denver. We
knew nobody, well, we knew somebody in Denver, but all of our belongings are in San
Francisco.
So, they flew me out, back to Travis and down to the hospital where I rehabilitated and started
my master‟s degree and my teaching credentials. Got my teaching credentials, coached football
and taught in San Francisco. We moved out to Kansas. I taught high school and I coached
football and basketball. And in the summers because of the GI bill I stayed there a year to get my
master‟s in biology. So, I got my master‟s. That was 1980. Two years after that, I decided I
wanted to go back and get a PhD. So, I was accepted in the University of Texas Southwest
Medical School and started there in 1982. I was 35 years-old. I went full time. Four years and

�three weeks later, I received my PhD. Worked a post-oc, spent a little bit of a post-oc at
University of Texas Southwest Medical School. Great people, I learned so much there. They
were fantastic.
Got a job up here at Wichita State thirty years ago. I‟m teaching pathophysiology, clinical
physiology, I‟m in the Department of Physical Therapy, to the doctor students of physical
therapy. I see nursing students, I teach PA students. So, I teach all of the people that would be in
all of your health professions here at the College of Health Professions here at Wichita State.
Most of my research has been with disabled populations. I focused on kids with developmental
disabilities in my past 20, 25 years. And that‟s probably where I‟m going to leave my mark. I‟m
still focusing on working with kids with developmental disabilities and intellectual disabilities:
down syndrome, autism, those type of kids.
01:36:19
V: I enjoy it, I love it. I get paid for what I do. I love research, I love writing, I love teaching my
kids, I love to be around them. I‟m living a dream, that‟s what I‟m doing, and I‟m paying back
the guys that saved my life in Vietnam.
I: You also mentioned that when you got back you had your share of PTSD and other events…
V: Oh, yeah, continued, continued events would happen. As I, out of nowhere, for instance, I
flew into Washington DC one time. I would be flown back there sometimes to be an evaluator of
research proposals for, like, the VA or NIDRR, research for disabled people. And you would be
flown back there, and you would review different proposals, determine and rank the proposals as
you would see fit. I knew some people back at George Washington University that I did research
with, so I would use the time I went out there to hook up with my colleagues, at George
Washington. They were part of my research team and they were part of doing what we were
doing.
I went to a social event that was put on by GW, George Washington. I don‟t mean to be
derogatory or cause any ill feelings, I‟m sure George Washington is a great university. But, you
have to remember that academia, in my generation, there was that culture, the anti-war culture,
and that anybody that served in Vietnam, there was something wrong with us.
01:38:03
V: And, I was at a party, and this woman that was my age there with her daughter who was about
nine, and she said something like, “I heard you were in Vietnam.” And, I think somebody put her
up to this. I really do.
She was standing next to her mother, and I said, “Yeah.” I told her yeah.
And she goes, “Why would you do something as stupid as that?”
Now, I know that nine-year-old was put up to say that. And I look at her mother, and her mother
was just smiling, like, boy you deserve this. Just stuff like that.

�And I said, “Well, this is not my party.” And I said, “Ma‟am, you have a nice evening. Girl, you
have a nice evening. Good luck to you and your life.”
I then went over to my friends and said, “I‟m leaving.” And left.
It‟s stuff like that that would appear every once in a while, out of nowhere. It‟s just like someone
came over and just slapped you right across the face.
I: Now, today, you are pretty connected and well-involved with other veterans.
V: Sure.
I: And when did you start making those connections?
V: I think most of us… I think Gary Gillian was very active in our Charlie Company
organization said it the best way I know how. He said, “You know, for twenty years, we buried
it. And for the next ten, we ran away from it. And finally, somewhere around 2000, we said,
„Enough of this, we are getting too old. We gotta start reaching out.‟” And that‟s where we
started reaching out.
So, I‟m at the commissary one day. And I, every once in a while, I get a 101st Airborne hat and
I‟d be wearing it cocked, and I‟d be walking around with it. And, I go and work out, just about
every afternoon, and after I work out, I go to the commissary. Carol Sue always has a little list
that I have to pick up, so I pick up a list of groceries and I head home.
01:40:04
V: So, one of the guys over there, one of the clerks, was a Vietnam veteran, and he said, “You
worked with the 101st.”
And I said, “Yeah.”
And he said, “You gotta meet somebody. You gotta meet somebody.”
I said, “Sure, John. Yeah.”
And he said, “I know somebody from the 101st.”
And so, I‟m out there a couple of weeks later, and John comes up to me and he said, “Ken, don‟t
go anywhere.”
“Oh, okay.”
A guy comes over, says, “John told me you were in 101st.”
I said, “Yeah.”
And he goes, “So, who were you with?”
Pft, like you‟re going to know who I was with. I said, “I was with 2nd of 506.”
He said, “Oh, you were with Currahees.”

�I mean, who would know that.
I: Yes, it‟s a nickname of the Battalion.
V: Yes, it‟s a nickname of the Battalion. So, I go, “Yeah.”
Then he goes, “What company were you with?”
I said, “Charlie Company?”
He goes, “I was with Delta.”
I said, “For real?”
He said, “Yeah, I was with Delta.”
So, I go, “Okay.”
And he hands me the card and says, “Look, if you‟re interested in getting back with your crew,
just send me an email,” and said, “I will hook you up.”
I‟m going, right.
So, I said, “I‟ll take the card.” And I put it in my pocket. “Well, it was nice meeting you.”
And he‟s getting the feeling, you know, that I‟m kind of disking him. So, I‟m walking out and he
says, “Oh, by the way, Currahee.”
And that just stopped with in my tracks, because I hadn‟t heard anybody say that, that Currahee.
I turned around and looked at him, and he said, “Think about it.”
01:42:04
V: So, I go back to the car, get in the car and go back home. And, I take the card and I have it on
my desk at home, and I put it there like that. And I‟m working on the thing, and I‟m looking at it
like, do I? Do I open this door? I think I know what happened while I was over there. But, does
my platoon really want to talk to me? I mean, I left them in a mess. Do they have ill-feelings and
hard feelings towards me? How am I going to be greeted if I see these guys?
So, Carol comes by and she looks over my shoulder and asks, “What‟s that?”
And I tell her, and I go, “Babe, I don‟t know whether to open that door.”
She goes, “You have no choice. You‟re opening this door.”
And I said, “Yes, ma‟am.”
So, I email him, and I get hooked up with Charlie Company, and I‟ve been with them ever since.
So, it was just a chance meeting and a lot of the guys that we try to get to the reunions, you‟re
talking about guys that are in their late sixties, Jim. They‟re afraid, like I was. What are the
people going to think of me?

�And you say, “Look, when you come, you will have closure like you‟ve never had closure
before. You will be with people who understand you.” And to each man that has come back from
the first visit, it has been that way.
So, it has been, for all of us who put up with all of these decades of hiding from it, of not
wanting to talk about it, we finally are stepping forward and saying, “Look at us. We served our
country. We fought for our country. Enough of this feeling towards us. Respect us.”
01:44:04
V: And, I think after two generations of the strife that happened, like the kids that I teach now,
they don‟t know about Vietnam. And they look at me and go, “You served in combat? Holy cow.
Wow!”
You know, I‟m put up on a pedestal by the generation that I teach. That‟s what, after two
generations, we got away from that.
Am I still pissed off at my generation? Big time, okay, big time, but you have to put it besides
yourself. And I really hope that the new PBS that is coming out on Vietnam, and from what I‟ve
read, they do a pretty good job.
I: I‟ve actually seen parts of it and he does a very good job at making it very balanced with all of
the different perspectives and giving people the time to talk. There are a lot of asides and he does
not pull a lot of punches.
V: Good, good. I trust from his previous productions that he‟ll do a good job.
I: Now, if you were to put together sort of a balance sheet of how the military experience as a
whole has affected you as a whole and include the training and so forth as well as Vietnam, what
stands out for you? How did all of that affect you, other than losing part of your leg?
V: I, again, I was raised surrounded by people who served in World War II, and I read a lot of
history when I was a kid. Catholic upbringing, you read a lot, and you read a lot of history. I was
aware of the things that happen in our history to give us the freedom that we have. And, I always
wondered, what was it like on D-Day? What were those guys thinking about when the front of
that landing barge went down, and they had to walk out on that beach? What was it like for the
Marines in the Philippines to have the front of that barge go down and to wade out into those
waters, not knowing what you were going to hit?
01:46:12
V: Well, I found the answer to that, when you come in on a CA and you‟re lead ship on what I
described to you that first time I went into. Things are blowing up all around you, and you‟re
damned scared, and you‟re hoping that you don‟t do the wrong thing, and you‟re hoping no one‟s
there and no one is going to shoot you. I found out what that was like, and in doing that, I
became a part of that long grey line of those people that served this country, that fought for what
the Constitution says. I feel really good about that. I feel like I deserved, I earned my right to be
an American serving in Vietnam. That has been with me all my life.

�So, to me, it made me earn what I was given. It made me realize the sacrifice and the pain people
have suffered for what we stand for. I realize how easy it is back here, that you live in a survival
mode, that when things are pretty tight or bad, I‟m the guy who usually tells a joke, and says,
“You know guys, let me tell ya, it could be really, really worse. So, let‟s kick back and say, this
is the situation and solve the problem.”
So, it has allowed me to be in a leadership position and say, and mean it, “Guys, you don‟t know
how bad it can get. This is nothing. Let‟s just put our heads together and figure out how to get
this solved.”
01:48:05
V: I think it just makes you feel like you‟ve earned it, that you‟ve been able to help people get
through tough situations in life, like let‟s take it one step at a time, and that you‟ve been a good
mentor, and a good American, being that, when the time comes for me to die, I‟m going to leave
it in a better shape than I found it with the people I associate and the students I associated with
and helped. I feel pretty damned good being 70 years-old and being who I am now, so I think it‟s
made me.
And, I go through pain and discomfort every day of my life because of my leg, but that gave me
more empathy to people who are disabled, who are suffering. And, I know how important it is to
try to help them.
So, that‟s what it‟s given me.
I: Alright, well, thanks for a remarkable story. Thank you very much for taking your time to
share it today.
V: It‟s been my pleasure, Jim.

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Veterans History Project
Vietnam War/ Germany
Richard Pitsch
Interview Length (42:02)
(00:10) Family Background
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Born December 4, 1952, Born and raised in Byron Center, Michigan where he
lived the majority of his life (00:20).
Father worked for General Motors on 36th street until his retirement at the age of
52 for medical reasons (00:42).
He was aware of the Vietnam during grade school and remembered the era of
military advisors. He did not think that the war would continue until his coming
of age (00:58).
He was eligible for the draft and his draft number was one. He withdrew from his
first term at Grand Valley State University (01:35).
He volunteered for the draft, which simply extended his actual enlistment for 3
months. He took the time to wrap his around what was about to happen to him
(02:04).
He became active duty in August 1972. He hoped that he would not go to
Vietnam due to the troop draw down. However, he had some expectation that he
would end up there (02:27).

(03:08) Active Duty/Basic Training
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He first went to processing at the induction center in Detroit, where he was given
medical exams and some other testing (03:12).
From there, he took a bus to Fort Knox, Kentucky near Louisville, for basic
training (03:34).
All different types of people were on the way to Fort Knox with him. There was
no homogenous group (03:43).
At the induction center, in Detroit, there were some people trying to ‘beat the
draft’ by faking their hearing tests or trying to raise their heart rate or blood
pressure (04:06).
Less than 2% of the group did this (04:44).
They arrived at Fort Knox at 4:00 AM and were told to get off the bus and line up
by the drill sergeants (05:44).
Footprints were on the pavement showing them where to stand. This began the
indoctrination of ‘you will do what we say and when we say’ (06:00).
Basic training mostly involved development of group mentality, relying on one
another (06:20).
He was in reasonably good shape due to his participation in athletics during high
school (06:53).

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They ran everywhere when time would allow for it. The basic training had been
reduced to 6 weeks from 8 weeks due to the need for troops. At times, they
traveled in cattle trucks to their destination (07:13).
He adjusted well to the military life and he attributes this to his experience with
athletics. The loss of freedom was more difficult for him (08:20).
Some men did have trouble with the lifestyle change. One guy left by hitchhiking.
One man left for week and then returned. He was court martialled and sent to
military prison for a time. He later returned boot camp and had to start over
(08:54).

(10:05) Advanced Individual Training (Fort Bliss, Texas)
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After basic training, he took a plane to El Paso, Texas and trained for air defense
artillery at Fort Bliss (10:21).
He took a battery of test when he was at the reception center at Fort Knox, where
they determined that he scored high enough on the intelligence exam to get
assigned to air defense artillery [?] missiles (10:54).
The systems he trained on were computer based (11:11).
Advanced training at Fort Bliss was a 12-week program. There were moderate
facilities, which had a 3-story barracks building (11:33).
There were about 40 men in his company (11:50).
The base was large and was utilized for training of various weapons systems
[Hawk, Tow Missiles and Armor] (12:06).
Physical training was integral to the program. He trained on the various
equipment utilized for the tracking system (12:27).
He was a fire control crewman. He tracked targets and designated them for attack
(12:25).
The system he worked on could track mid to high-level aircraft (13:27).
There was no firing of missiles during training. Everything was simulated for
expense reasons (14:00).
Richard was happy about his assignment, because the missile system he trained
on was not utilized in Vietnam. So, he knew he would not go to Vietnam and
hoped for stateside orders (14:17).
These missile systems were in Chicago, Detroit, New York City, San Francisco,
etc. They have since been decommissioned (14:45).
Advanced Individual training (AIT) allowed for more freedom. They spent time
in Juarez, Mexico, which was a much different place then than it is now. The drug
cartels did not have a major presence in the town. It was fun and entertaining, but
they were warned that they were under the jurisdiction of the Mexican police
(15:13).
After AIT, he had a few weeks of leave and then reported in to Fort Dix, New
Jersey in January of 1973 (17:16).

(17:30) Active Duty/Germany

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After leave, Richard took a plane from Grand Rapids, Michigan to Philadelphia.
Pennsylvania, where he got a bus to Fort Dix, New Jersey. He then flew on a
charter flight to Frankfurt, Germany (17:42).
He knew the number of his unit, but nothing else (18:09).
He realized that everyday army life was much less strict than training (18:26).
His unit was Delta Battery 2nd Battalion 1st Air Defense Artillery (18:44).
He was stationed near a small German town. He was given isolation pay, because
they were basically in a rural area and away from almost everything. Most Nike
Hercules units were in isolated areas (18:44).
It was located in Central Western Germany, close to the Dutch border and a few
miles from the Rhine (19:55).
The job was to protect against air attacks versus being a front line of defense at
the Eastern German border (19:33).
They kept watch over the Eastern frontier looking for hostile aircraft that might
enter airspace (19:42).
There were approximately 100 men and 1 barracks building and a motor pool
garage (19:59).
At their arrival, they were greeted with ‘welcome to the end of the world’ (20:42).
The fire control facility was located at the top of a hill (21:01).
They reported and settled into the unit easily (21:36).
Duties included operate computer, report to fire control, and run checks on
equipment (21:52).
They played a lot of basketball (22:28).
One day a week they were hot battery, which meant that had to be within 15
minutes of the equipment. They were locked in (22:39).
They had one significant scare when he was operating the radio. They received a
call from headquarters telling them to man their battle stations, but the aircraft
ended up being friendly (22:48).
The Arab-Israeli wars affected their status for about week. They were on high
alert (24:08).
There was no anticipation of action from the Soviets, at the time (24:55).
They trained for it though (25:05).
The group of men consisted of all types of people, some educated and some not.
Mix of races, too (25:14).
Segregation existed, but it was voluntary. Not many people had been to Vietnam
due to the type of training they had (26:06).
They tried to travel when they were off duty and they met people from around the
world (27:14).
They were cautioned to not wear their uniforms off base due to the possibility of
resentment of German nationals from WWII, but he did not encounter a lot of
animosity. [Baader-Meinhof Gang] was around during this time (28:00)
Richard eventually rented an apartment in town and had no issues with his
landlord, who had been part of the Fascist party. He learned enough German to
function (29:00).
Morale of the unit was overall normal (30:13).

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The officers lacked leadership skills, except one who was ex-enlisted (31:09).
They had a West Point cadet spend the summer with the unit and when he
returned he left the institution (32:20).
One major event that stands out to Richard is a shooting incident. A soldier on
guard duty was joking with a friend and shot him in the head. They were not
supposed to have live ammunition loaded in their weapons. (32:55).
There was an investigation of the entire unit (33:55).
In another battery a soldier opened fire and injured 2 (34:15).
He left after 20 months in Germany, August 1974 (34:46).

(35:00) Inactive Duty
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He rotated back to the United States and was placed on inactive duty status for 2
years. If the U.S. needed him, he would be called back to active duty. These were
the terms of his enlistment (35:04).
He was discharged on August 9th, 1974. The day President Nixon resigned. His
letter of appreciation bore Nixon’s signature (35:35).

(35:50) More Information on Germany and Life after Service
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While in Germany, they were aware of current events, such as Watergate (35:58).
Some Germans thought Watergate would create destabilization and others were
amused by it. Probably much the same way as the American public (36:45).
Once Richard returned to the U.S. the economy was in poor condition (37:30).
He found his first job through the Comprehensive Employment and Training Act
(CETA) (37:46).
He was a janitor for Grandville Public Schools, first. Then he worked for RC Cola
until he realized that factory work was not for him (38:01).
He decided to return to school and get a trade. He received an electronics
technology associates degree. Once he received his degree he began working for
Lear Siegler Avionics (38:20).
His training in the service brought him to this path. There is little to no
comparison with the technology of the seventies and today (38:57).
The computers he worked on could solve only one problem. They 12 ft. long, 2
1/2 ft. deep, and 5 ft. high. They utilized vacuum tubes and all information was
fed into them from the radars (39:10).
He did not want to be in the service. Most likely due to the anti-war sentiments of
the 1960’s, but after he returned from the service he adopted the attitude that
everyone should have to serve for a couple years. It was a positive learning
experience for him (40:30).

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