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MSU'S Demonstration Hall

Grand Entries:
Saturday 2:00 &amp; 7:00p.m.
Sunday 2:00p.m.

Host Drum: to be announced
Contest Dancing, Indian Traders Welcome, Raffles
No food concessions allowed

Donations: to be announced
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Karla Abbott [517]355-1249 after 5 p.m.
Deborah Galvin [517]353-5210
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POWWOW
February 16 - 17, 1991
Michigan State University Campus
Demonstration Hall
East Lansing,Michigan
Grand Entry: Saturday 1:00 pm and 7 :00 pm
Sunday 1:00 pm
Gate Donation
Weekend Button
$8.00
Adults
$5.00
Student with ID
$2.00
Children 5-12
$2.00
Senior Citizens
Free
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Free

Host Drum
Young Nations
Ntonawanda, New York

Drums
Payment to first five registrants with Drum and singers

Dance Contest
Registration $5.00

Traders' Fee

Additional information:
. Bedahbin Webkamigad
JoLee Webb
Bea Peters

517-482-0051
517-355-1686
517 --353-77 45

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Buford North
World War II
1 hour 12 minutes 35 seconds
(00:01:17) Early Life
-Born in Paragould, Arkansas on October 22, 1922
-He was one of twelve children
-Eight boys in the family and four girls
-One brother and one sister are still alive
-His father’s name was John and his mother’s name was Myrtle
-He went to Beech Grove Elementary School in Arkansas
-There were twenty to twenty five students in the whole school
-He went to high school in Flint, Michigan
-Wasn’t able to graduate because of joining the Navy, but he did get his GED
-His father was a farmer in Arkansas and a General Motors factory worker in Michigan
-His mother was a housewife
-Had to take care of the children
(00:05:17) Start of the War, Awareness of the War and Enlisting
-He was in eleventh grade when the war began
-He remembers the attack on Pearl Harbor and Congress declaring war on December 8, 1941
-Prior to going into the service he had electrician experience
-This led to him qualifying to becoming a ship electrician in the Navy
-He remembers that everyone was emotional after the attack on Pearl Harbor
-He eventually received his draft notice six months after Pearl Harbor
-His brother had already been in the Army and had served in the North Africa Campaign
-He was wounded and discharged before Buford entered the service
-His brother’s experience in the Army motivated him to join the Navy instead
-He enlisted in the Navy in June 1942
(00:09:02) Training Pt. 1
-He went to Great Lakes Naval Station, Illinois for basic training
-From Illinois he was sent to Louisiana to get his assignment
-He was assigned to a destroyer and received further training in Louisiana
-From Louisiana he went to Orange, Texas and went aboard the ship there
-It was a different life being in the Navy
-Had to leave a familiar life behind and essentially begin anew in the Navy
(00:11:34) Sinking of the Ship and End of Service
-His ship was hit and sunk on June 10, 1945 off the coast of Okinawa
-After the ship was sunk he was sent to San Diego, California
-Once he arrived in San Diego he was discharged from the Navy
(00:12:10) Training Pt. 2
-He feels that he did well in basic training
-Followed the orders that he was given
-At Great Lakes Naval Station he was given gunnery training on Lake Michigan

�-Firing at targets that were out on the Lake
-When he was sent to Louisiana he was stationed in New Orleans
-When he went to Texas the ship that he was assigned to was still being built
-While waiting for the ship’s building to be completed he received further gunnery training
(00:13:34) Assignment to the USS William D. Porter
-He had been assigned to the USS William D. Porter DD-579 (a destroyer)
-It had 5 inch guns and twin-mounted 40mm antiaircraft guns
-There was an original crew of 350 men
-Had to take on more men because they didn’t have enough to man the guns
-Specifically needed more sailors to be able to use the depth charges
-He specialized as an electrician aboard the ship
-He served with other men from Michigan (they came from Pontiac and Detroit)
-Prior to becoming an electrician on the ship he had received electrician training
-At the General Motors Institute and in Electrician Specialist School
-He boarded as an Electrician’s Mate Third Class
-He and the other original crewmen boarded the Porter latter part of 1942 (September 27, 1942)
(00:19:10) Escorting President Roosevelt and Maneuvers
-After the Porter was launched they crossed the Gulf of Mexico
-Received more gunnery training aboard the Porter while travelling
-The Porter was selected to be an escort in the convoy taking President Roosevelt to Africa
-FDR was being taken to the Cairo and Tehran Conferences at this time
-The Porter was helping to escort the USS Iowa (battleship) that FDR was aboard
-Afterwards they returned to the States and crossed through the Panama Canal
-They had trained in Cuba, Bermuda and Trinidad
-Note: The entire crew of the Porter was under arrest, briefly, at Bermuda
-There had been a friendly fire incident involving the USS Iowa
-It had been construed as an assassination attempt; pardoned by FDR
(00:23:50) Joining the Pacific Fleet and Philippines Campaign
-Note: The Porter went to the Aleutian Islands before the Philippines Campaign
-The Porter was assigned to Pacific Fleet 58
-Comprised of the following ships:
-7 battleships, 7 cruisers, 14 destroyers, and 2 Australian ships
-They were bound for the Philippines to aid in the U.S. Invasion of Luzon
-The Fleet pulled into the Lingayen Gulf and the Australian ships went in first
-The Australian ships received the brunt of the Japanese defenses and had to retreat
-Two American destroyers were sunk by the Japanese in the Lingayen Gulf
-The Porter’s task was to help destroy Japanese defenses, so U.S. ground forces could move in
(00:27:36) Sailing to the Aleutian Islands
-The Porter went up to the Aleutian Islands, Alaska to aid in continued fighting there
-Note: Mr. North says that this was after the Philippines, but in fact it was before
-The Porter operated in the Dutch Harbor, Adak and Unalaska areas of the Aleutian Islands
-Aided in bombarding Japanese positions that were still there
-Conditions in Alaska were good, the sea was calm, but there was a consistent heavy fog
(00:28:58) Okinawa Campaign and Sinking
-After the Aleutian Campaign they sailed to Pearl Harbor
-After Pearl Harbor they sailed to Okinawa

�-They went to Okinawa to support the ongoing American campaign there
-They were hit fifty miles off the coast of Okinawa by a Japanese kamikaze
-Sometimes Japanese planes would attack in groups of thirty at a time
-They were aiding in the bombardment of Okinawa at the time
-Bombarded Japanese positions for three days and three nights
-He was always astounded by the firepower of U.S. battleships
-They were attacked by kamikazes and two were able to break through their defenses
-The one that hit them crashed below the Porter and exploded beneath the ship
-It caused severe damage to the engine room
(00:32:10) Abandoning Ship
-He was up to his knees in water after the ship was hit
-His task then was to shut down the generator and redistribute the ship’s electricity
-After that he aided in helping keep the pumps powered by emergency generators
-This wasn’t the first time they had experienced kamikaze attacks
-They had been attacked by them in the Lingayen Gulf
-When the Porter began to go down the wounded were evacuated first
-Miraculously no one had died aboard the Porter
-They were able to keep the ship afloat for an hour before finally abandoning ship
-He remembers watching the ship sink
-Once he abandoned ship he was taken off the Porter by a U.S. landing craft
-The USS William D. Porter sank June 10, 1945
(00:37:25) Coming Home and End of Service
-After the Porter sank he and the other crew were sent to Okinawa
-At Okinawa they boarded a U.S. transport ship bound for New Guinea
-Also sailed with Japanese prisoners of war
-In New Guinea they were issued new clothing
-After leaving New Guinea they went to Pearl Harbor and from Pearl Harbor back to the States
-Arrived in San Francisco
-He remembers going under the Golden Gate Bridge
-After arriving in San Francisco he was sent to Mare Island Naval Shipyard
-From there he was discharged
(00:40:50) Getting Wounded on the Porter
-When the Porter was hit the concussion of the explosion ruptured floor plates
-They were held together by bolts
-One of the bolts flew up from the floor plate and hit Buford’s knee
-It didn’t cause any serious damage, or require hospitalization
-He was told he would be awarded a Purple Heart, but never received it
(00:43:28) Life after the War Pt. 1
-After the war he worked in General Motors Buick Motor Division
-He worked as an electrician there
-He started working for GM in 1947 and retired in 1983
-After retiring he took up golf
-Wanted to use it as an avenue to travel
-Later in life he attended Porter crew reunions throughout the U.S.
-He specifically remembers the ones in New York City and Orlando, Florida
-Over the years he kept in contact with the men from Michigan that he had served with

�(00:45:48) Personal Communication and Living Conditions in the Navy
-He stayed in contact with his family by way of mail
-On board the ship they used short wave radios for shipboard communication
-Had to have the ability to communicate with various rooms on the ship
-The crew had no access to the telephones on the ship for personal communication
-It would take a couple months to receive letters from his family
-He ate pretty well on the Porter
-In Alaska they were able to eat fresh tuna
-Filtered their own water aboard the ship
-Took in ocean water and cleaned and desalinated it for consumption
-In Australia they would get frozen beef supplies
-They had to make supplies last until they were able to get into a port again
(00:51:31) Downtime in the Navy
-Aboard ship they had access to movies
-They had access to radios for entertainment purposes if there was nothing to do
-They were able to pick up the Bob Hope Show broadcast
-To get new movies they would swap films with other ships nearby
-Some sailors would take out a boat and go over to the ship and make the exchange
-After they returned to San Francisco they were given leave
-He was able to go to a military club with the friends that he had made from Michigan
(00:55:00) The Men He Served With
-Feels that he served with good officers and enlisted men
-After going over to the Pacific the Porter was assigned a new commander
(00:55:48) Education after the War
-He went to a junior college (community college) after the war
-He went back to General Motors Institute for further electrical training
(00:57:01) Other Details Pt. 1
-While they were near Australia they would run into massive schools of flying fish
-In the Pacific the ship had to zigzag to avoid Japanese submarines still in the area
(00:57:57) Veterans’ Group Involvement
-After his service he joined the American Legion at Post 413 in Grand Blanc, Michigan
-Served as their Vice Commander for a time
-Involved with various trips and activities with the Legion
-Eventually had to leave that Post because he had to move closer to his job with GM
(00:59:45) Reflections Pt. 1
-He still uses Navy terms in everyday life
-Feels that he is part of a dwindling group of WWII veterans
(01:01:46) Other Details Pt. 2
-In the Pacific they would run into sporadic storms
-Crossed the Equator and International Date Line multiple times
-He thought that the Equatorial region would be hotter than it was
-When they crossed the Equator the first time the new sailors had to be “initiated”
-Ceremony carried out by veteran sailors who had crossed the Equator before
-One of the crewmen was a survivor from the USS Arizona
-When they stopped in Pearl Harbor he was able to see the wreckage of the USS Arizona

�(01:06:50) Life after the War Pt. 2
-He had one daughter
-He is now both a grandfather and a great-grandfather
(01:07:16) Reflections Pt. 2
-He considers himself one of the lucky older veterans
-Considers himself to be in still good physical and mental shape
Audio/Visual Interview ends at 1:07:35
Pictures with Explanations from Interviewee
(01:07:36) Buford and his friends from Michigan in a military club in San Francisco in 1945
(01:08:35) Associated Press picture of the USS William D. Porter sinking #1
(01:09:28) Associated Press picture of the USS William D. Porter sinking #2
(01:10:05) Associated Press picture of the USS William D. Porter sinking #3
(01:10:35) Buford and his wife
(01:11:25) Buford at the World War Two Memorial in Washington DC #1
(01:11:59) Buford at the World War Two Memorial in Washington DC #2

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JULY 20 - 21

Petoskey, Michigan

RED ARROW

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MICHIGAN INDIAN PRINCESS CONTEST
OTT A WA, CHIPPEWA, POTOWATOMIE, WYANDOT, SIOUX, WINNEBAGO, MOHAWK,

PUEBLU, SAC and FOX, KIOWA, and others in COLORFUL TRIBAL COSTUMES.

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1 P.M., Saturday, July 20, Parade on Mitchell Street Downtown Petoskey

2 P.M., and 8 P.M., Saturday, July 20

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FAMOUS FIRE DANCE BY RAYMOND CAREY.

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Children under 6 free

Children 6-14 years 35c

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ROSE MARY GALER
ONCE AGAIN, in the beautiful north country, land of the million
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time is turned back for two wonder-filled days as Indians from many tribes
get together and stage their 4th Annual All -State Indian Pow-Wow.
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authentic and colorful dances handed down from generation to generation.
Many other outstanding features will be seen, including the famous fireeating act.
Plan now to attend this remarkable All-Indian show where you will see
the original Americans revive the glorious traditions of the past.
You will see an Indian show completely planned, directed and presented
by the Indian.
For further information contact :
ROBERT DOMINIC, President,
Northern Michigan Ottawa Association
911 Franklin St.
Petoskey, Michigan

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Grand Valley State University
Veterans History Project Interview
Name of War: N/A
Interviewee’s Name: Mark Northrup
Length of Interview: (1:09:06)
Interviewed by: James Smither
Transcribed by: Chelsea Chandler
Interviewer: “Okay, so, Mark, begin with a little bit of background on yourself, and to
start with, where and when were you born?”
I was born in Minneapolis, Minnesota in 1957. November.
Interviewer: “Okay, and did you grow up there?”
So predominantly my father was an Air Force officer, so I grew up as a—What we call a military
brat quite often. My father retired out of the Air Force when I was about twelve years old. We
were living in Colorado. He—We had done a tour in Naples, Italy, so my whole formative years
were all around military officers, predominantly Air Force and Navy. (1:13) My father was
obviously a very good pilot and officer. He flew B-17s during World War II. My older brother
by ten years, Colonel Craig Northrup, went off to the Air Force Academy in 1966 and was
commissioned out of the Air Force Academy in 19—I want to say 1970, so that would be 1970
he was commissioned. And my older brother flew C-141s—transports—and flew combat—the
missions—into Vietnam as Saigon fell, so my formative years I had an opportunity to go to Navy
ROTC. I chose instead to go to a liberal arts college in Minnesota. I always knew I wanted to be
a military officer at some point in my career, so I turned down an ROTC scholarship and went on
to a liberal arts school. (2:06) You have to remember in the late 70s it was not very appealing in
the public eye, particularly living in a state like Minnesota, which is very liberal—There was,
you know—In those days, you probably recall, there was a lot of disdain for the military and
people that wore the uniform. There’s been a change in the culture and respect for those in the
military. Maybe some of it was earned out of the Vietnam fallout, but I think nowadays there’s a
genuine appreciation for those that serve. You know, when you and I were children, I mean, over
half the adults—men were veterans. Nowadays it’s maybe seven percent and falling fast because
the military is just a much more efficient and a smaller organization, and not as many people go
into the service for one year, or they’re—We don’t have conscripts. We have people—We have
professional soldiers and sailors and airmen, so they—You know, it’s changed a lot, so when I
graduated from college, I knew I wanted to be a military officer.
Interviewer: “Okay. Just to back up a little bit. When did you start college?”
That would have been in 1975. I graduated from high school.
Interviewer: “Okay, and what college did you go to?”

�Northrup, Mark
St. Olaf College in Minnesota. It’s a small, liberal arts college, predominantly Lutheran. I
enjoyed the college, but obviously it’s not what I would categorize a bastion of militarism. When
I announced to my college roommates I was interested in joining the service and going to an
OCS program, quite frankly I was held in some disdain, but quite frankly I didn’t care because I
had my father and brother to look up to and their service and to our country.
Interviewer: “Okay, so how did you wind up choosing the Coast Guard?”
Well, you know, I had a four-year OCS commitment with the Navy to be an ASW officer and a
Surface Warfare Officer. Would have been a great career in the Navy, but the commitment was
four years. And I did a little bit of research and found out the Coast Guard had a smaller
organization, and the commitment would have been three years. (4:07) So I just thought that if
this is something not a good fit for me, you know, a year could be a long time. Also, you have to
admit that the mission of the Coast Guard is much different than the mission of the other armed
services, so that appealed to me, particularly growing up in a state like Minnesota, which was
maybe a little more altruistic. So it was an opportunity to maybe realize I could have an
opportunity to do pollution and cleanups and search and rescue and those kind of missions.
Interviewer: “Okay. All right, so what’s the process now to get you into the Coast Guard?”
So I did an application, and I was selected to go to an OCS program in Yorktown, Virginia. It
was a commissioned reserve officer. I went in November of 1980, and I was commissioned in
March of 1981. It was a nineteen-week program. I was commissioned, and following the
commission, my duty assignment was an old Coast Guard ice-breaking buoy tender out of
Duluth, Minnesota. So I actually kind of had an opportunity to go back home and serve on a ship
or a Cutter in my hometown.
Interviewer: “Okay. All right, so let’s back up again. Describe the training program. What
do you do at Yorktown?”
Well, there were four elements: leadership, seamanship, history, and navigation. I didn’t have a
problem with any one of those other than just trying to learn what it was to be a military officer.
Nineteen weeks is a long time. Roughly half the class were prior enlisted. There was—At that
time, there was really looking to pull high performers in the enlisted ranks to be officers, so the
top half of the class was all the enlisted—ex-enlisted guys. And I fell right in the middle, so I
was, I guess, probably pretty well on the top for my—For the regulars. The reserves that came in
from the outside.
Interviewer: “Okay. As far as you could tell, did the Coast Guard have a hard time
recruiting people in those days, or were there plenty of people?”
Not really. No, we—You know, the Coast Guard has always been held in some high regard
within the community that serves and has maybe a little bit of a different reputation. (6:09) We
never had a problem serving—Getting enough people to serve on our ships—quality people—
and it still holds true to this day that the Coast Guard typically can be very, very selective. And I
was very privileged that I got selected to be a Coast Guard officer.

�Northrup, Mark

Interviewer: “Okay. Now I remember once interviewing somebody who was Coast Guard
enlisted, and he talked about some of the physical training that he got and the amount of
being thrown into water and a lot of other stuff. I mean, did they—Did you do much
training that was connected to that?”
Yeah, I mean, we did some—You know, obviously, there was physical fitness training. I
personally never had any problems. I was an athlete in high school, and when I went off to OCS,
I was in fine shape already and actually found that the physical fitness side was probably the
easiest part of OCS for me personally. But you could tell those that hadn’t maybe had that
opportunity to be physically fit struggled more. I always felt kind of bad for them, but, you
know, that’s the reality. When you had to—When you go off to indoctrination, it’s predicated
that you need to get trained before you go or else you’re going to struggle. I mean, that’s—I
think that holds true even today, particularly with the level of obesity we’re seeing in the current
population, but in terms of the physical fitness, you know, swimming—I think I was number one
in the class for swimming, running I was very at the top, so in terms of my athletic prowess and
physical fitness, I didn’t find it to be a challenge.
Interviewer: “Okay. Now did they do much to kind of—Exercises that kind of simulated
rescues at sea or things like that?”
Well, we did one tour on—We did an OCS cruise on an old Coast Guard Cutter called the
Unimak. It was a World War II seagoing plane tender that was a hand down from the Navy. It
was a tug—very, very large, two-hundred-foot tug—so we did deploy on that for ten days and
went down into the Caribbean. Incidentally, we did a large marijuana bust—did a seizure—so
from the standpoint of my first opportunity to go to sea with the Coast Guard, it was kind of
exciting to be involved in a major drug bust. (8:14) So, yeah, but most of it was academics in the
classroom. Celestial navigation, basic navigation, basic seamanship skills. It was more academic,
book learning than it was hands-on, so to speak, except for the cruise we went on when we went
down to the Caribbean.
Interviewer: “Okay, so we kind of get you through that. Now pick up your story again.”
So in April of 1981, I reported to duty on a Coast Guard Cutter in Duluth, Minnesota. It was a
World War II ice-breaking buoy tender. It would be the least glamorous ship a person could
serve on. It is a working ship. You know, you talk about Mike Rowe. In fact, Mike Rowe did a
segment on Dirty Jobs for buoy tenders because, by virtue of the mission, working aids to
navigation in a slow, black, kind of ugly, old, World War II tug is not glamorous work. It’s hard,
laborious, arduous work for not just enlisted but for the officers, too. Lake Superior in those
days—You know, we struggle with fog and heavy weather, and there’s more than one occasion
where we touched bottom or, as we would say, kissed the bottom. By virtue of the fact of our
mission working aids to navigation lighthouses, we did some other work with the University of
Minnesota doing core samples throughout Lake Superior in regards to taconite tailings that have
been dumped out of Silver Bay for the steel industry. We did several other missions for fisheries.
We did some fish stocking programs, so it was a multi-mission kind of ship that we would relish
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aids to navigation. (10:11) You know, Jim, I—You know, people see lighthouses as glamorous,
kind of cool places, you know, and I served in Alaska too on a buoy tender. And they are, but
from my perspective, when I see a lighthouse, I see a cold, damp facility that needs extensive
maintenance, that’s full of bird guano, and is labor-intensive and expensive to maintain. And
quite frankly, there’s really nothing glamorous about bird guano and cold, damp, brick buildings,
but when you’re on a boat and you’re looking to the shore and you see that wonderful light, it
warms the heart. But my perspective, perhaps, is a little bit different, so some of that glamor or
romance is—It leaves you when you—When you’re there, there’s no romance in it.
Interviewer: “Yeah, it becomes something to clean rather than something—Okay. Now
how big was the boat?”
180 feet.
Interviewer: “Okay, and how large was the crew?”
Sixty-five. We had a crew of seven officers and roughly fifty-five to sixty enlisted.
Interviewer: “Okay, and what sort of reception do you get when you arrive?”
Well, you know, this is common throughout the service. When you show up, you’re considered a
butterbar. You’re right out of OCS. You’re recently commissioned. Whether you come from an
OCS program or a ROTC program or you come from the Coast Guard Academy—And there is a
learning period to understand you have—You maybe have authority over people, but you don’t
have abilities. And there’s a learning curve for that young officer to understand that, you know,
it’s a participative, leadership style. Yes, I have to make decisions. Yes, I have the education, but
you and I are a team. We’re not adversarial, and when you have a situation where it’s
adversarial, it’s very—It damages the crew, it damages the mission, and it damages the people,
so I was always very aware to be considerate and thoughtful for my enlisted crew. (12:05) I was
always blessed. I always had great, great people working for me. In fact, to this day, sometimes I
still get reach out from some old crew member that reminds—Remembers some event, and he’ll
reach out to me, which kind of warms the heart. But there was never anything adversarial with
my crew.
Interviewer: “Okay, so what kind of duties did you have when you started out? When you
get the new guy, what does the new guy do?”
Well, I mean, for the first couple months, you—as you would expect—draw out every ship’s
infrastructure—the water, the piping—standing watches in the engine room and the bridge,
working on the deck, learning all the deck gear, so that as an officer, you became multi-talented
across all disciplines of the ship. Starting the mains of the engines, light off, running the deck
gear, launching boats, navigating the ship, driving the ship. All those responsibilities the first few
months. It takes roughly four months to qualify as I would call an underway OOD. Officer of the
deck. I didn’t have any problem with that because I thought it was fun. You know, it’s—You
know, drawing everything out on the ship, and then the more seasoned officers and the captain
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spell it out and be articulate, and if you didn’t, you didn’t qualify. And if you didn’t qualify, you
couldn’t stand watch. If you couldn’t stand watch, your life was miserable. If you weren’t
qualified. So I had no problem. I was single, and I loved the ship. I stayed on the ship my first six
months. It was my home, and I relished the opportunity to serve on a ship that had a great
mission. And one of the advantages we had in Lake Superior and in the Great Lakes is the ships
did not rust, so a ship that was built in 1945—In 1981 was pristine. (14:03) We had no rust, and
the engines were near new even though we had to do maintenance on them. The point was,
though, that if you don’t live in that—Work in the environment where there’s saltwater or you’re
in dirty water, ships will last forever. I mean, as evidenced by, you know, several of the ships
still serving on the Great Lakes, you know, are seventy, eighty years old still.
Interviewer: “Okay, so it’s just—It’s really the absence of salt as much as anything else
that makes a difference for that?”
Salt, salt. You betcha.
Interviewer: “Okay. Now what were the officers on that ship like?”
Well, they were my brothers. You know, we drank, we partied, we sailed, we stayed up all night,
we drove the ship, we broke ice, we worked buoys. You know, they were my brothers, they were
my friends, and I’m still in touch with some of them from, you know, now approaching nearly
forty years later. You know, they—There’s that brotherhood of a crew, particularly with the
officers you’ve served with. I mean, you—You know, you might not think you went to war, but,
you know, when you’re working really in harsh climates and often—as you can imagine—in the
severe weather we worked and where our buoys—our aids to navigations—were, it was
dangerous work. You know, I’m not going to deny it. There was a pucker factor, and more than
once you realized that by the grace of God you lived. And because of those events, you gained
that real sense of duty and loyalty to your peers and your brothers.
Interviewer: “Sure. All right. Are there particular incidents from that six-month tour that
kind of stand out in your mind?”
Well, it almost took about four months for me to qualify. The tour on the ship—I stayed two and
a half years.
Interviewer: “Yeah. Okay, so two and a half years. Okay.”
One event that I recall—I was third in command. My executive officer was—Took a vacation, so
I was the acting executive officer. We came out of Duluth. It was November, and we came out of
Duluth, got on Lake Carriers’ Association’s tracks, went northeast to the Keweenaw Peninsula
where we staged aids to navigation buoys and sinkers. (16:04) We came—And we went down
the track, and we turned right to go into the Keweenaw Waterway. Obviously, the nights were—
The days were short, and when we made our right-hand turn to line up to go into the Keweenaw
Waterway, the sea swell got to be maybe forty-five feet. The ship rolled to forty-five degrees. It
hung there hard. I was driving the ship, the captain was on the bridge, and at the last minute the
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outer bay lights.” Unless we come out of the surf then because the ship was rolling, and the swell
was so severe. And at the last minute he said, “Mark, come right.” You know, basically saying,
“We abort. Let’s go home.” And I’ll never get those words—I can—I live them every day, you
know. “Helmsman, right full rudder, all ahead full.” And we aborted our approach into the
Keweenaw Waterway and some really terrible storms. Incidentally, it was on the anniversary of
the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald. You didn’t think about that at the moment, but in
retrospect you begin to understand why that ship sank on that—Not on that particular night, but a
few years earlier. Would have been six years earlier. So that’s a little bit sobering. I recall then
about two weeks later we had a Christmas party for the crew in the basement of a Chinese
restaurant in downtown Duluth, and the captain was a little bit stoic. He was—He rode my ass.
He rode my ass hard, mostly because he knew if he did, I got stuff done for the ship. And he got
up and gave a speech. I thought I was getting my ass handed to me, and he gave a speech to the
crew and our wives and our families. And he talked about how the grace of God was with us that
night, and we got to live for another day. So I have a few other events like that in my career, but
that’s one that really stands out because—particularly as a young, junior officer with maybe only
a year of active duty—you begin to really realize that, you know, the lives of your crew and of a
ship—a national asset—is your responsibility and yours alone. And your decisions can make or
break and save lives or kill people. (18:07)
Interviewer: “Okay. Now while you were in Duluth, I mean, were there any—Did you
actually rescue people, or…?”
We had a couple of rescue events. One in particular—There’s a lighthouse that stands out in the
middle of Lake Superior called Standard Rock. We were underway, and there was a floatplane
reported overdue. I immediately started to do search and rescue techniques—drawing out a
pattern—but as was the case, the lake was full in fog. And we were off Standard Rock because
that was the last location of the plane. And the captain made the observation that the Standard
Rock sound signal was not activated, and I said, “Well, captain, that’s fine, but we need to start a
search pattern.” He said, “No. I think we need to reactivate the light, send a boat to the light, and
get the sound signal fixed.” So I launched a motor cargo boat, was vectoring them in with the
radar because obviously they couldn’t see, and he was about twenty yards off the light. And I
immediately heard over the radio him backing hard and hitting something, which made no sense.
These gentlemen had taken their floatplane, and they had tied it up to Standard Rock. And they
had broken into the light, and their floatplane had been damaged. And one of the floats was
punctured, and the plane sank right there at the lighthouse. And they were marooned, so to speak,
in a lighthouse—in a cold, damp lighthouse—so we rescued them. And subsequently, you know,
I don’t know how—what ever happened to the plane, but I do know that I had to be a—I had to
provide a deposition because they claimed that we had damaged the plane, and it wasn’t of their
own malfeasance. (20:03) So that was just one example of one event that always kind of stands
out that, you know, search and rescue events typically are because people do dumb stuff, and—
Not that they deserve it, but that would be a classic example. But they were pretty glad to see us
coming out of the fog to rescue them.
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Interviewer: “Okay. All right. Okay. Other things you want to bring in about the stay in
Duluth before you move on?”
I just—Duluth is just—It’s just a wonderful, old port town. I met my wife there. It will always be
a special place for me for the obvious reason; my wife was from there. It’s a wonderful place.
It’s cold, though, you know. We broke ice. We broke ice into the channel coming into Duluth. It
has a wonderful Aerial Lift Bridge. It’s just a really cool town to drive a ship and break ice and
work buoys. I can’t express it any other way. My parents came to see me right when I was
courting my wife, and unfortunately it was a weekend. And the mid-channel marker had been
run over in Duluth, and so we spent the whole weekend driving the ship back and forth with the
grappling hooks, trying to find the buoy and rescue the buoy that had been driven into the mud.
My parents were unsure with my girlfriend at the time—now my wife—and somebody came up
and said, “What’s the Coast Guard doing out there?” And my father said, “Well, they’re looking
for a buoy that got hit.” Well, they didn’t hear “buoy”. They heard “boy,” so obviously we
weren’t looking for a boy that would have been run over and drowned and pushed into the mud.
So we did recover the buoy, and we did rescue it. But it was obviously—As you can imagine,
there was a—Some seamanship and line handling efforts to recover that buoy that had been
driven into the mud. They call it a Morse Alpha because it blinks “alpha” in terms of the Morse
code. It marks the middle of the channel. (22:13)
Interviewer: “Okay. Now when you had enlisted, part of the reason why you picked the
Coast Guard was you’d only have to be there for three years, and so you go through two
and a half years in Duluth. That hitch is up, but you wind up staying in the Coast Guard
quite a while.”
Yeah, I realized I liked it. I liked the camaraderie, I liked the mission, the skipper liked me in
spite of the fact he would—He was a real driver. He was a no-nonsense, hardnose, foulmouth,
hard-drinking guy, and he could ride my you know what. And he was ex-enlisted. When he took
command of the ship, I remember, he mustered the crew and gathered them all around and said,
“Men, I looked at all your service records, and I want you to know here and now I am your old
man.” I mean, you don’t call the captain “the old man” to his face obviously, but he was
acknowledging the fact—“I am the oldest in the crew, I’m ex-enlisted, I know what you’re all
about, and I’m going to be your—I’m going to be a good captain for this ship.” And, in fact, he
was, so, you know, here there’s going to be a lesson learned about leadership and acknowledging
who you are to your crew. He liked me, and I screened to have a command of a long range
navigation station in Japan. Okinawa. I was assigned to be a—It was an electronics station—one
million watt peak power—in Okinawa on the north side of the island, which basically I had
twenty-five bored guys. We had commercial power. The aid had for the most part been
automated, but the station was huge and required a lot of maintenance. And so my biggest
challenge was to keep the men from getting too bored and getting into mischief, and one thing
about men—When they’re all alone in an isolated place, they will do anything they can to
entertain themselves like driving their motorcycles off cliffs and, you know, going to the local
establishments—whatever it might be—so we made it a point to play sports every day and filled
our time doing that. But yeah, that was an interesting tour. (24:25) I was a commanding officer
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tours. And the adjutant general was coming in about every three or four weeks to inspect me, so
the station was always well-kept. And I had to really try to always make sure that we didn’t lose
our edge. We had a couple other stations—three other stations—in our chain. There was
Hokkaido, Marcus Island, which is just a small rock out in the middle of the ocean, and Iwo
Jima, and I would talk to these guys on HF quite often. And we would share and commiserate,
and I realized I had the best luck of the draw to get Okinawa because I had shore power, I had
commissaries, I had the Marines, I had the Air Force, I had a local village. It was just really—It
was almost like out of a movie set. I had a coral reef and a beach. I was required to go into the
village and teach English to the schoolchildren, so it was just really a special kind of opportunity
to represent my nation and to have a crew.
Interviewer: “Okay. What kind of relationship was there between the civilian population
and your people?”
In Okinawa?
Interviewer: “Yeah.”
Remarkably good. As you probably know, the Marines in Okinawa, you know, by virtue of who
they are and the bases there, they—There has been some shame there on our military, but, you
know, being a small station with a—Located next to a small fishing village, there was really a
tremendous amount of rapport I had with the village and the village elders. I would occasionally
go to the base and buy a large bottle of cheap whiskey and deliver it to the village elders. Kind of
made me a hero. (26:06) I didn’t have the heart to tell them it was two dollar rotgut, but they
were just gracious, thoughtful people. The Japanese were very disciplined, very polite, and I had
the great opportunity to teach their children English in the village school. We played baseball
with them, so there was no animus with us and the locals. I mean, there was a couple occasions
like my dog went into town and attacked one of the kids, and they poisoned the dog. And the dog
came up to the station and died, and my crew was going to riot the city—the village—and burn it
down, which, as you know, I stopped. But for the most part it was very, very amicable and
very—They were just very gracious people. I have great respect for the Japanese.
Interviewer: “Now how long were you out there?”
A little over a year. A year.
Interviewer: “Okay, and did you go to Japan proper at all or anywhere else in that area?”
When I processed through, I spent a couple weeks in Honolulu on some training, meeting the
staff, and then I flew on to Yokota, which is the Air Force base outside of Tokyo, which was
where my headquarters for Japan was. We call it Far East Section Command, and that’s where
my command was. Was in Yokota. I think I only went there a couple times, though. I was kind
of on my own except when they wanted to get a good meal. They’d catch a flight and come
down to see me in Okinawa.
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I got married and left a week later, so they always say, Jim, that the first year of your marriage is
the worst. I wouldn’t know. I wasn’t around.
Interviewer: “So what was your wife doing while you weren’t there?”
She stayed in Duluth, continued to work, and then, you know, when I came home, it was kind of
like starting all over again. And it worked out, but I won’t deny that first year—And that was
before the time of the Internet and cell phones and emails. You know, it was still snail mail. You
know, it was a different time then entirely. (28:01) I think we really forget about that, but yeah,
there was a hardship there, and I often talk about this. Sometimes I think, as veterans, we forget
the hardships we put our families through and the people we love. As a veteran, we’re in control
because we’re out there. We get to make decisions, and we have some sense of control of our
lives. But the loved ones we leave behind have no control, and they’re kind of passive. And they
just have to kind of hope and pray that their loved one’s okay wherever they are, whether it’s on
a ship or in the field or in combat. They don’t know, so I’ve always been very cognizant to the
fact that our loved ones behind play a very important role in the success of any veteran and his
experience or her experience.
Interviewer: “Yeah, although, I suppose, in some ways this assignment was actually less
dangerous than the one in Duluth in the sense that you probably weren’t going to sink.”
Yeah, from that standpoint in terms of opportunity for death and destruction. Having said that,
though, it was a million watt peak power. On a humid day, you could hold up a fluorescent
lightbulb, and it would blink. It would blink naturally because there was so much RF in the air, .
And, in fact, subsequently the Coast Guard has determined that LORAN station veterans have a
higher incidence of cancer and were classified as atomic war veterans because of that. So if I
come down with cancer—knock on wood—I would be classified as an atomic war veteran, be
fully disabled, and I would get full treatment from the Veterans Administration. Fortunately, I
don’t have cancer yet.
Interviewer: “Good. All right, so you have that assignment. What’s next for you?”
I went on to Seattle. I had a couple tours—two tours—Two out-years as a pollution officer on
pollution response efforts out of Puget Sound. Then I did two years as a Vessel Traffic Systems
Watch Officer where we control all the traffic coming and going out of Puget Sound and the
Strait of Juan de Fuca. (30:05) That was really a better tour because I really enjoyed the fact that
it’s basically air traffic control but for ships. You have to understand that Puget Sound has ferries
going east and west, and you have freighters going north and south. You have a lot of fishing
activities, a lot of recreational activities, lots of opportunities to have major collisions and
accidents. We did have one major accident with the vessel Arco Anchorage. Went aground in
Port Angeles and had a significant oil spill that I was involved on the cleanup, but that was just
an enjoyable tour, mostly because I really liked working with the pilots because part of our
qualification we had to memorize five hundred landmarks in Puget Sound and Strait of Juan de
Fuca. So you really memorized the geography, you memorized everything you could, and the
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I’d have all my watch standers in there. But the most enjoyable part I really liked was that we
had to—every month—at least ride with the pilots at least once where you would go out and ride
the freighters coming in with the port pilots. As you can imagine, when a ship comes into Strait
of Juan de Fuca, large swells, you ride the pilot boat out, and they will set down the Jacob’s
ladder. And you time them to swells, and the top of the swell—the first swell—you grab the
Jacob’s ladder. And you pull it as hard as you can to make sure that they’ve secured it on the
deck on the ship, and then at the top of the next swell you jump onto the Jacob’s ladder. And you
better start scrambling because you know that boat’s going out from underneath you, and it’s
going to come right back up and smash you if you don’t get up that Jacob’s ladder and get on
deck of the ship. So I really enjoyed that part of it. It was just kind of exciting to go out there in
all kinds of weather in day and night and jump on a big freighter and ride it with a really
professional pilot into port. (32:00) Following that—four years in Seattle—I was asked to be—
And this is kind of interesting. I was asked to—by the admiral staff in downtown Seattle—I
apparently had caught the eye of the admiral and the admiral staff. They had asked me to come
up to be his—In the Army what you call aide-de-camp. His liaison. Carry his bags and be his
lieutenant or his O3, bag-carrying, speechwriter, right? And I was asked to be the admiral’s Aid,
and I looked at the chief of staff. And I said, “No, thank you, sir.” And he was stunned. He said,
“What’s the deal here, lieutenant?” I said, “Well, I’m—Captain, I’m going to Alaska, and I’m
going to be the XO on a buoy tender. That’s my destiny.” And he said, “You don’t understand,
lieutenant. That’s where we send lieutenants to lose their career because it’s so damn dangerous
there.” And, of course, I thought, “Can’t happen to me. I’m going to Alaska. That’s my destiny,
right? I’m going to make myself.” You know, so I went to Alaska as an exec on a buoy tender
there once again.
Interviewer: “Okay, so had you put in, basically, your request to do that already? So your
assignment was coming up in Seattle. What do you do next? They wanted to pull you in to
be the admiral’s Aid, but you keep your original assignment.”
I want to go to Alaska.
Interviewer: “Okay, so—”
So I get to Alaska, and I have a ship in Alaska out of Ketchikan. Wonderful, wonderful fishing
port. They call it the First City. It’s the rainiest city in North America. A lot of cruise ships go
there, but they’re only there in the three months of summer when the sun shines. The other nine
months of the year it’s just miserably cold, wet, and rainy, but from the standpoint of driving
ships, it was exciting. It was an interesting and highly challenging assignment. As you can
imagine, the inside passage with all the buoys and aids we had to work—not to mention that you
have some significant tidal currents and tidal fluctuations and by virtue of the fact that our
mission working in these really tight, restricted waters—was very, very dangerous. (34:07) And I
think I communicated to you that we had a couple of really, very, very bad instances that we
nearly lost the ship. And that was a tremendous personal, professional challenge because I sensed
the—Really, the safety of the ship and my obligation for the crew balance that with my loyalty to
the captain and to the mission. And that was a real hard thing for me to process because we were
in harm’s way much more than I liked and thought appropriate. We crossed the Gulf of Alaska in
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watches on the bridge. And on one of those bridge watches, as we transited across the Gulf of
Alaska, we had winds over ninety knots and sea states of over sixty. The ship was not seaworthy
enough really to stand those kind of seas although she was a well-built ship. We dove the ship
more than once into the swell, and at one swell the ship took water down the ship stack and
flooded the engine room. And we nearly lost the ship, and that’s still—I still live that moment
every day when the ship went dead, and we had water coming down the ship stack. Fortunately,
our engineers were such—They were trained to restart the ship’s engines, and we managed to
dewater the ship and proceed on to Kodiak. The ship was—The crew was very angry when we
got to Kodiak because the captain was never visible during the whole transit. Was about a fourday transit, and we didn’t even really need to make the trip. It was a trip to join up with our other
Coast Guard Cutters and have, basically, a party by virtue of the fact they called it a roundup.
(36:09) But it was an opportunity to get the crews together and let them drink heavily.
Truthfully. The attitude towards drinking has changed a lot in the subsequent years, but the crew
was very, very angry when we tied up in Kodiak. Because we all knew we had kissed death and
had not gone to the deep bottom, and I had to muster the crew and speak to the crew without the
captain and reassure them that they were okay, they were God’s gift, and we would live to see
another day.
Interviewer: “So where was the captain in all this?”
In the state room. In his cabin. And, incidentally, three months later he put the ship on the rocks,
and I had to relieve the captain as the ship was sinking. And we almost lost the ship once again.
Here, again, the ship was taking on water. We had a hole in the ship. We had put a seventy foot
gash down the side of the ship. We were driving the ship at night where we shouldn’t have been.
I was adamant not to be there, and the captain told me I was excitable instead of, “Lieutenant
Northrup, go below. XO, go below.” And I laid below, Jim, and I just thought to myself, “Fuck
the old man. If he wants to put his canoe on the rocks, I ain’t going to be there.” And you know
what happened? It went bang, and the ship almost sank. We lost power. The ship was sideways
in a very major channel with a max tidal current. When I got on the bridge, it was obviously
dark, and ship—No power. And we’re sideways in the channel. The ship was on the verge of
rolling over and sinking and killing the whole crew. We were that close. The captain checked
out. He froze in his fear, and I can understand that. I’m not going to fault him for that. I—You
know, fear is an unusual thing, and it does things to people. But, by virtue of the fact that I was
second in command, I subsequently had to relieve him. (38:04) We got power back, drove the
ship to a safe anchorage, did damage control, essentially saved the ship, and got back into port
about three days later.
Interviewer: “Well, how did you get out of that, I mean, initial situation? Because you
described it at a point where the ship could have just rolled over right at that moment, and
the captain wasn’t doing anything.”
Well, we didn’t have power. You know, the engines—So we’re just basically a dead ship dead in
the water sideways. Just a large ship in a small river current. Half flooded, but the engine room
did not flood. They powered—They got the engines back online. They got the rudder back
online. I didn’t know if I had a rudder. I sallied the rudder five degrees left, five degrees right. I
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ship was totally awash forward, and then with some power I, you know—As you would expect, I
had this part of the—our operation area fully memorized. I was very detailed, particularly about
understanding our operation area, and I didn’t even need to look at a chart to understand where I
had to drive the ship at that point. Even though she was half full of water, we still had
propulsion, and we drove into a safe anchorage and let go of the anchor and proceeded to do
damage control. Subsequently, you know, a few days later when we pulled into port in
Ketchikan, I met a—The admiral had sent an old, weathered Coast Guard captain to meet the
ship as the safety officer for the district, and he met the ship at the dock. You know, at this point
I had basically already relieved the captain for cause, and when I met this old captain, he was a
very weathered—I don’t even recall his name. I did call a lawyer before I spoke to him. But, as
you know, in a safety investigation you can say anything, and nothing will be held against you.
(40:00) Well, I told this old captain—I said, “You can go back. And you can tell the admiral
either he relieves this son of a bitch, or I relieve my commission tomorrow. I don’t really give a
flying what it is, but it has got to end. Either I resign my commission, or the captain’s relieved
for good.” Now I hadn’t really thought this all out because the next day there was a one-line
telex message from the admiral saying, “Lieutenant Northrup is now the captain of Coast Guard
Cutter Plane Tree.” Now I never sought to be the commanding officer of a ship with a big hole in
it, damaged, a dispirited crew—as you can imagine—and a captain that had just been fired, but
that was my destiny. My destiny was to be the captain of a ship at that point in my career in my
life.
Interviewer: “Okay. I guess, when you were in a channel—So there was not—There were
not high seas there. You had a current but not big waves?”
Not big waves. No. Inside passage—I don’t know. Have you ever been to Alaska on a cruise
ship?
Interviewer: “No.”
If you ever do, you’ll understand the inside passage—It’s just a—What you would call an
archipelago of rivers and islands and channels. Very restricted waters.
Interviewer: “Okay, and then you said seventy foot gash. How long was the Cutter?”
180 feet, so half the ship. Nearly half the ship was stripped open. Nobody was killed. Nobody
was hurt except for a lot of egos and a lot of careers.
Interviewer: “Okay. Now how long did you wind up commanding that ship?”
They brought in another captain about two, three months later. I had to take the ship into the
shipyard and get it dry-docked and had to do the—We had to get the repairs done to the ship.
Interviewer: “So basically you were in charge while it was in dry dock?”
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Interviewer: “Another glamor assignment there.”
Yeah.
Interviewer: “All right. Did the—Did you then—Did the crew’s morale improve over
time?”
Oh, they were angry. Oh, they were violently angry. Come on now. You can imagine.
Interviewer: “Yeah, but over time once the captain’s gone…?”
Once the captain was gone, it was a relief off all of us, and then, you know, then I became—I
had to be a witness to a—It wasn’t a court-martial. (42:10) The reason why we hadn’t done a
court-martial is because it followed on the event of the grounding of the Exxon Valdez. I—We
had just come back from ten weeks on the Exxon Valdez cleanup, and there was a lot of egg on
the Coast Guard and the federal government’s face from the accident of the Exxon Valdez. So
the district staff and the admiral chose not to court-martial the captain, but, rather, to hold it in a
nonjudicial punishment. And I had to be the primary witness as you can imagine. I’m still very
angry about all this, by the way. It never quite leaves me. It’s a point of humor sometimes, but
it’s still there.
Interviewer: “Yeah, well, it was a serious business, and he could have gotten you all killed.
And by doing something that was stupid in the first place. So yeah, I mean, that’s
something that I encounter periodically in talking with military officers who find
themselves in parallel situations. People’s lives are at stake, and something happens there.
Now to back up a little bit—So what do you recall about the Exxon Valdez part of your
job? What were you doing at that time?”
So it was the same ship. I was the exec. XO. It happened—The Exxon Valdez went aground on
Thursday before Good Friday. I remember watching the message traffic come across our telexes,
talking about the grounding of the Exxon Valdez and the spillage, and I just assumed we would
deploy right away. The district office had shut down already for the weekend, and it wasn’t until
the—Subsequently, the following Monday when everybody showed up to the district office. And
there was a big, “Oh, shit.” When a ship has an accident, you have to first allow the owner and
the carriers to assume responsibility because the federal government does not want to federalize
an accident. (44:06) Because if you do, then you assume responsibility, so over the weekend the
decision was made. And Exxon said, “Oh, we’ve got this, we’ve got this, we’ve got this.” Well,
quite frankly, they didn’t have it because it was a huge spill. So we didn’t get underway until, I
think, midday Monday, and then we got on scene. We were in Resurrection Bay outside of
Seward, and we did cleanup operations for roughly, I think, about seven, eight weeks, working
predominantly with fishing boats and some Russian trawlers. They came along to help us do the
skimming operation, but the opportunity was lost once—And I don’t think people fully
appreciate—Once the accident happened, that ship was so close to blowing up and burning. It
was only by the grace of God and a very competent engineering officer—Because the captain
was a—Hazelwood. He had three DUIs. He was a careless drunk—the captain of the Exxon
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didn’t have good resources on scene. It should have been a double-hulled tanker, but they had
been given a waiver for a single-hulled. The captain was a notorious drunk and had several
DUIs, so there was culpability, quite frankly, by the Coast Guard. But we were on scene. We did
cleanup operation in Resurrection Bay. The opportunity really was already to do—To get in front
of a cleanup. Had already occurred, though, because after four or five days of crude oil being in
the water, you really can’t recover. You’re just recovering tar balls, and most of those tar balls
are already up on shore. You know, in the first twenty-four hours, you could have maybe burned
it., you could’ve used dispersants, you could’ve had better booming activities and pumping—
suction pumping—early on, but by the fifth day all that opportunity had been lost. (46:03) And
that attributed greatly to the tremendous environmental impact that that spill had all across south
Alaska. It was tragic, and they’re still feeling the effects of that. One of my enduring memories
is—There’s two, really, from the trip. One is we ran out of cigarettes, and we had to barter with
another ship to get cigarettes. And the only thing they sent over were menthols, which was the
captain’s brand. The other one was I remember in Seward walking down the pier, and the Exxon
had dispatched. There were accountants, and they were walking down the pier, writing checks to
boat owners for the value of their boats if they would sign a statement saying they would not sue.
So they basically bought every boat they could in Seward Bay, and the fishermen were actually
kind of happy because, you know, somebody came up and said, “We’ll pay off your mortgage.”
But—“Oh, and your livelihood? We don’t know.”
Interviewer: “So were they buying the boats to use in the—”
No, they were just—wanted—They wanted to pay off their mortgages and make sure they signed
a statement that they would not sue Exxon.
Interviewer: “Oh, so they don’t want people—because they are fishermen—to sue them
because you wipe out the fish, so you sue them.”
Yeah. Just walk up, and, “We’ll pay off your boat.” Yeah, they bought a lot of boats, or they paid
off a lot of mortgages for a lot fishermen. I’m sure those fishermen went south for the rest of the
year. It was an interesting event. I wouldn’t want to do it again. I smelled enough crude oil in my
days. I don’t want to smell anymore.
Interviewer: “Yeah. What was the community in Ketchikan like?”
Well, you know, Ketchikan was classified as the first city of Alaska. It’s the first city as you go
in north. It’s in the bottom of the Panhandle. It’s a tourist town. I would liken it to Mackinaw.
Oh, it’s just a lovely, little fishing town, you know. My first child was born there. My wife was
there. (48:00) When I was around, it was a delightful place to live. It was just a neat place, but,
you know, in the middle of winter I got to go off to Hawaii for three months while I left my wife
behind in Ketchikan, Alaska. So…
Interviewer: “So why were you in Hawaii for three months?”
We had deployed the ship once to Pearl Harbor for Naval refresher training. Even though we
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extensive training operations where they keep the ship—One point—the final exercise—you
keep the ship going straight for forty-eight hours—no sleep—and drive the ship until the men
just collapse to take you to that point of no return. And subsequently—You know, and actually
that turned out to be very healthy for us because when the ship had an accident, we were fresh
off coming out of Naval ref. training. And the crew was very trained to handle damage control in
an accident with the ship because training—When it happens for real, you don’t really
distinguish this is not a training event. This is just kind of like a training event. You’re just going
to do it because you’ve been trained to it, so that’s why training becomes so critical, particularly
in the military. Because if you trained the event, when the event happens, it’s just like training,
and you don’t really process it, so to speak. So, yeah, Hawaii was a great place to go in the
middle of winter, and I think my wife’s probably still holding it against me.
Interviewer: “Now does Ketchikan actually get a lot of snow in the winter, or does the
water temperature keep it a little warmer?”
No, it—Well, it—You know, it’s the—The water temperature is always going to be thirty-two,
thirty-three degrees, so you would get rain or snow and, you know, wet snow. Ketchikan—The
one year we were there it rained three hundred inches, which is nearly an inch a day. I always
had to keep two pairs of shoes on the ship—Boondockers—one above a heated duct, trying to
dry one out, while the other ones were usually getting wet when I was on the bridge. (50:06) So
from the standpoint of weather environment—You have to understand that buoy tenders are the
least glamorous of all ships the Coast Guard has—particularly if you’re going to Alaska—so the
junior officers that typically were—Or even the enlisted men—The ones we got typically
weren’t the—what I would say the top of the class because the top of the class—What ship are
you going to pick? You’re going to pick the high endurance Cutter out of Key West—hello—
because why wouldn’t you? So typically the officers—The enlisted people I got were often—
more often than not towards the bottom of their class, and that presented a unique leadership
challenge. I wouldn’t say anything against them because they were all good guys, but they
were—Or maybe not the—They weren’t the cream of the cream in terms of their assignment
opportunities.
Interviewer: “Okay. All right, so after that job, now what do you get?”
Well, I was typecast in the Coast Guard because I had relieved a captain for cause—number one
Academy graduate—and I was a reserve, regular officer now. Although my record—my
performance record—was impeccable, the admiral wrote it—Had to rewrite it because I failed
promotion. He reassured me he had my back, and he liked who I was and what I’d done and my
courage under some significant events. But the promotion boards are a closed-door affair, and
most of the officers in the Coast Guard are Academy officers. And they know everybody, and so
at that point I was a marked man. So I failed promotion and had to get out. I took a study
assignment on loan to the Army in Great Lakes as a staff officer, which, quite frankly, I didn’t
really care for. Although there’s one funny story there. That’s right when Clinton became
president. I worked for an old, crusty Army colonel, and I was the only Coast Guard officer on
the staff. (52:01) And when Clinton came to the White House, it was clear that the attitude about
force structure and the policy concerning gays was going to change in the service. So I worked
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MEPCOM, which is the military processing command, so it was a joint command. And the
message came down from the Assistant Secretary of Defense for us to write a position on gays in
the military, so I told my colonel—You know, he’s an old codger. Old Vietnam veteran. I said,
“Colonel, why do I really care if someone’s a homosexual in the service? If we don’t ask them,
they’re not going to tell us.” And he said, “Lieutenant, that’s the most goddamn—idea I’ve ever
heard in my career. Write it up. I’ll send it up.” So I wrote up this paper basically saying if we
don’t ask you, they’re—We’re not—You don’t need to tell us. And a week later it came out of
the Pentagon or out of the White House: “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” I’m not going to take credit for
it, by the way, but stranger things had happened. So I don’t know if I was the one that actually
penned the idea or not, but was just a—Kind of a—That was when the service was really in, I
think, some significant transition from—Well, for one thing, early on in my career drugs and
marijuana were a problem. I mean, when urine analysis came on board, it changed the services,
and then there was an attitudinal shift, particularly in regards to smoking cigarettes and towards
heavy drinking. And that was a—Clearly a cultural shift across all the services. You know, it’s
rare you find people in the service that even smoke cigarettes now. Alcohol and alcohol abuse
and drunken behavior at one time, I would say, was the standard. Is now the exception. So the
services have changed immensely in the last couple decades for the better. (54:04) As a taxpayer,
I think we get a much better value for a professional armed service that has some moderation in
terms of some of their behavior.
Interviewer: “Okay. You’re also in the service during a period when women start doing
more kinds of things. Did you have women on any of the staffs with the bases you were in,
or…?”
Our OCS class had—We were a class of twenty-seven. I think we started with thirty-six. We had
one woman in our class, which was probably, I think, the second OCS class that had women. I
think that was the year 1976. I think, was the first year the Coast Guard had—Was the last year
at the Coast Guard Academy that did not have women graduate. In fact, I worked for a captain.
His class ring said, “LCWB.” Was the initials on the class ring, and that’s what the class agreed
to. And they didn’t tell the staff that that stood for, “Last Class With Balls,” so all the Academy
graduates from the year of 1975 or ‘76—Their class ring has, “LCWB.” Now how vulgar and
disrespectful is that? But that was reflective of the time about women in the service. On my OCS
cruise on the Coast Guard Cutter, Unimak, when we sailed down to the Caribbean, we had one
OC. She was commissioned. She eventually became a pilot. She was the one person—One
female onboard the ship. The crew obviously didn’t care because in those days women were
considered bad luck on ships. (56:00) So I think most of us—being younger, college educated—
were maybe a little more thoughtful. We had to really look out for her, but one day on the mess
deck underway one of the crew members jumped up onto the mess deck table, dropped his
trousers, pulled out his pecker, and danced it in her face. Now there is maybe a little piece of
humor in that, but predominantly it was disrespectful and highly vulgar. And nothing came of
that event. Nobody was held accountable. Those were different times about attitudes, particularly
in regards to women in the service. You have a mixed emotion about that. Every time a Navy
ship deploys with women, I think, seven percent of them come up pregnant and can’t make the
deployment, so it does affect military readiness and our force structure. We have to kind of
maybe calculate that in, but we have to understand we’re an inclusive service now. There are
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Interviewer: “Yeah, there’s plenty of jobs they’re fully capable of doing. Well, when you
had the assignments in Seattle where you were shore-based a lot of the time, were there
women enlisted personnel or officers there at those places?”
Oh, yeah. We had—Typically, you had more women officers in those kind of administrative
assignments. Maritime—Marine Safety Office Inspectors. I would say maybe twenty percent.
Maybe, maybe. Not a lot. There were a few.
Interviewer: “Okay. Was the climate for them better than it had been on that ship early
on?”
Well, of course, when you’re in a large staff organization with lots of senior officers, there’s
going to be a little more thought and respect towards policy and regulation. I never recall any
events of any of the females on my shore stations ever having any difficulties. Not that I was
aware of, anyway.
Interviewer: “Okay. Now was that assignment at Great Lakes—Was that your last slot?”
(58:04)
Yeah.
Interviewer: “All right. Are there other particular incidents or things that happened while
you were serving with the Coast Guard that kind of stand out for you that you haven’t
brought into the story yet?”
Well, you know, I wanted to stay in. I, you know—I always thought my destiny was to be the
captain of a ship, not realizing that I had been the captain of a ship. It was hard when I got out. I
loved the service. I like the discipline, I like the camaraderie, I love the mission, I love ships and
big things. How can I—How can you not? It was just a—Even when it was bad, it was still
exciting and good because you were—I had an opportunity to be something bigger than yourself.
I was uniquely privileged to have served my nation, and when people tell me, “Thank you for
your service,” I stop them short, Jim. And I say, “Don’t thank me. I’m thanking you for giving
me the privilege to have served my nation and served her proudly, and it was a unique privilege.
And I was lucky to have been given that opportunity, so I am thanking you as a patriot for giving
me that opportunity.” And that turns it on people because it’s not about me. My duty is about to
my country and to my fellow patriots, so maybe that’s a little bit of a different perspective than
you quite often hear. My country owes me nothing but life, liberty, and the opportunity for
pursuit of happiness. They don’t owe me a check. They don’t owe me anything, and from my
perspective maybe, as John Kennedy said, “Ask not what you can do for—Your country can do
for you, but what can I do for my country?” And to sustain this lovely republic of free market
and enterprise that we are so privileged to be patriots and citizens of.
Interviewer: “All right. Now how do you think that your service sort of affected you or
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I think more than anything else it hardens a person certainly, and it also—You have an
understanding for your moral compass, and your moral compass has to swing north irrespective
of the outcomes. I had to deal with that more than once in my career. That it’s not about me and
my career or my life. It’s about my duty to my crew and to my country, and when you go
through that threshold, it changes you. It is a significant emotional event, and I think maybe
that’s why being a veteran is really a special category of our citizens. But here again. I was
privileged, and I think that when you dig down into most veterans, they’ll tell you the same thing
irrespective of the fact that they saw their friends maybe get killed. And they had terrible
assignments, and they had terrible officers. At the end of the day, deep down they are deeply
proud and have—Tell you they were very privileged to have served their country.
Interviewer: “That is something that I’ve observed, and even talking to Vietnam veterans
who had a particularly bad time, on some level they’re still proud of something in there.
Not all of them, but—And that’s true for the World War II guys, too, but okay, so—Now in
this case, though, your career or your life’s journey—It suddenly now changes because now
you’re out of the Coast Guard. You know, you’re married. You have kids. Okay. Now what
do you do?”
Well, I got out when I was thirty-seven years old, and I was, you know—Industry wasn’t really
that interesting to me because I was already old. So I basically started a civilian career all over at
age thirty-seven and quickly realized my leadership skills and ability to understand technical
things easily transitioned to leadership in the manufacturing environment. So since 1994, I’ve
been in manufacturing positions in predominantly automotive and electronics leading large
teams because that—Being process driven, being disciplined, appreciation for training,
understanding highly technical, capital, expensive equipment, running operations efficiently.
(1:02:25) That all translates right into a manufacturing environment, so from that standpoint it
was an easy fit to transition into being a—I went to work for Motorola building the analog flip
phones. You probably remember those. Built those by the millions. Motorola’s a great company,
and I was—I’ve done fairly well in manufacturing, but here, again, I—You know, I started late
in my civilian career, so to speak, because my military career was something I had to put behind
me. Take the uniform off and hang it up. It’s only been the last few years I’ve kind of maybe put
it in some perspective. Sometimes I think the stories and the events I had lived through—I look
back at that, and it’s almost like it was another person then because it’s kind of—It’s in the past,
and I think it’s only been within recent years I’ve been able to put it in some perspective and
maybe put a modicum of pride and realization that it was something really special. When I took
the uniform off, I was very angry. Very angry. I internalized a lot of anger, and I think that’s not
an unusual thing. But you can’t be a sorry sacksucker and feel sorry for yourself. You’ve got to
get on with your life. You have a family to raise, you have mortgages to pay, you have other
opportunities in the world that require your talents, but I think most of us when we leave the
service, leave with a certain amount of disappointment—sorrow—because I think we all really
liked it. And we like being part of something bigger than ourselves.
Interviewer: “Okay, and how did you wind up in West Michigan?”
I was living in Texas, I had a great job, I was on the road, my wife informed me she was not
happy, and I had a buddy up here working for an automotive manufacturing company that called

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me on a whim and who knew me from Motorola and said, “Mark, you’ve got to come up here.
We need somebody with your drive and dedication and process discipline to join the team.” So I
came to West Michigan, and for the first time in my life I actually lived in a place more than
three years. (1:04:28) So at age—my late forties—I finally moved someplace and settled down
and finally maybe put up some roots in my life. Because you’ve got to remember I grew up in a
military family, I was in the military myself, I took jobs in manufacturing that moved me around,
and it wasn’t until I got to West Michigan in 2002 that for once I settled down in my life. But,
you know, life is opportunities. I’ve had a tremendous opportunity. In my journey, I never saw
that I would get involved in government or politics, but by virtue of the fact of my—Maybe
some of my abilities and experience I was tapped to be a mayor of a small city in West Michigan
that has been a great joy. To be a mayor and to participate in some greatness again. It’s a
different kind of greatness. Politics is different than government, and government is different
than industry. They all are unique in their own ways, but they all require a certain level of
dedication and looking out for each other.
Interviewer: “And in this case, you know, as sort of mayor of Hudsonville, you’re looking
at a place where there’s a lot of change, there’s a lot of growth, there’s expansion and
building, and so you’ve got a complex system to take care of.”
Yeah, but I—First of all, very careful. Don’t let me take credit for any of that.
Interviewer: “No, but it’s going on, and someone has to be—”
Yeah, I am the mayor. We have a very, very good department heads and team. We have a city
manager who was educated at Michigan State. Is at my estimation probably the finest city
manager in the state of Michigan. (1:06:06) As a mayor of the city, I chair the commission. That
is a part-time job. My job is to be the voice for the commissioners to get them all to agree to
some levels. I get to appoint the boards and the committees. I hold the week—The monthly city
commission meetings. By the way, they’re precise and organized, and there’s no chitchat. It’s
boom, boom, boom. Does that surprise you? And I think, you know, the team appreciates that. I
always was a little bit—We have a—Like here, we have a public access TV. We film all our city
meetings, and I never have the residents show up to city meetings. And obviously we work
through some fairly controversial things as you can imagine, particularly spending money to
build a new downtown in the city, and I can only count the number of times on one hand in four
years I’ve had anybody call me or show up at a city commission meeting. And for the longest
time I always thought, “Well, people are just really apathetic, and they’re too busy.” But I’ve
kind of transitioned and begin to—Come to understand that the people where we live just trust us
because we’re their neighbors, and as I often tell in giving a speech, these are the people we love.
And that love is transparent. We have affection for the people we live with. Our neighbors. We
don’t always agree—we know that—but we all have our—The best interest in the community at
heart. I’m very fortunate I have great commissioners. We’re all very dedicated professionals and
want to do what’s right for the community and build a better place for our families as evidenced
by the fact Hudsonville is the fastest growing community in West Michigan. It has the finest and
fastest growing school district in the state right now, which is unusual. We are at the right place
at the right time. Our struggles are we don’t have room in our schools, we need to get our roads
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because housing is a premium. (1:08:11) We have full employment where we live. We can’t find
people to fill all these jobs we have, so from the standpoint of that, it’s a challenge. But it’s a—
I’d rather have this challenge than to have a challenge like maybe what happened to Troy or in
Flint where the city is in disrepair, there aren’t jobs, people are leaving, you lose your tax base,
your schools are closing. You know, it’s a lot funner being on this side than that side.
Interviewer: “I’ll bet. All right. The whole thing makes for a pretty good story, and you tell
it well. So thank you very much for coming in and sharing it to me.”
I appreciate it. More importantly, I think it’s important that I acknowledge the fact of your
passion for veterans and understanding, you know, our role in this great republic that we get to
live in, so thank you, Jim, for your sincere interest and your historical reference point for what
we bring to our country as veterans. (1:09:06)

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                    <text>VILLAGE OF EASTLAKE
Master Plan and

Recreation Plan
February 2012

Let Our Resources Work For You.

r:r:.i
Northwest Michigan
~ , Councll of Govemments
Workforce • Business • Community

Prepared by:
Northwest Michigan Council of Governments
PO Box506
Traverse City Ml 49685-0506
231-929-5000
www.nwm.org

�Eastlake Village Master Plan &amp;
5-Vear Recreation Plan
Eastlake Village Council

Eastlake Village

Dan Janicki, Village President
Patricia Baumbach
David Drew
Dawn Kramer
Patricia Schmidt
Jason Stamp
Sue Vasquez

Planning Commission

Eastlake Village
Master Plan Committee
Phil Adamski
Bob DeYoung
David Drew
Ritchie Gillette
Dan Golden
Kayla Janicki

Bob DeYoung (through June 2011)
Ritchie Gillette, Chair
Phil Adamski
Patricia Baumbach
Dan Golden
John Franklin
Kayla Janicki

Administrative Staff
Sharon Janicki, Treasurer
Janet Golden, Clerk
Loretta Staff

Prepared by:
Let Our Resources Work For You.

~ Northwest Michigan
, Councll of Govemments
Workforce • Business • Community

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�Contents
Chapter 1: Introduction........................................................................................................................ 1
Planning Process ....................................................................................................................................... 2
Organization of the Plan ........................................................................................................................... 4

Chapter 2: Existing Conditions and Context .......................................................................................... S
History and Regional Context ................................................................................................................... 5
Population Characteristics ........................................................................................................................ 8
Economy .................................................................................................................................................. 10

Chapter 3: Natural Resources ............................................................................................................. 15
Natural Resources Inventory .................................................................................................................. 16
Issues and Opportunities ........................................................................................................................ 19

Chapter 4: Recreation •...••..•.••..........•......•.......•........•.•.........•.•.•........•...•...........••..•.•....•..•.....•....•....••• 21
Recreation Inventory .............................................................................................................................. 22
Regional Recreational Assets .................................................................................................................. 24
Administration, Funding, and Budgeting ................................................................................................ 27
Issues and Opportunities ........................................................................................................................ 28
Recreation Action Plan ............................................................................................................................ 31

Chapter 5: Land Use ••.•..•......•..................•....•...............•...........•....•...•...•...........••••..........••.•......•..•..... 33
Residential ............................................................................................................................................... 34
Commercial ............................................................................................................................................. 34
Industrial ................................................................................................................................................ 34
Community Facilities and Services ......................................................................................................... 36
Transportation ........................................................................................................................................ 37
Issues and Opportunities ....................................................................................................................... 38

Chapter 6: Goals, Objectives, and Action Strategies ........................................................................... 43
Chapter 7: Future Land Use &amp; Zoning Plan ......................................................................................... 50
Residential 1 ............................................................................................................................................ 51
Residential 2 ............................................................................................................................................ 51
Rural Residential ..................................................................................................................................... 51
Commercial ............................................................................................................................................. 52

�Shoreline ................................................................................................................................................. 52
Public/Recreation .................................................................................................................................... 53

Chapter 8: Plan Implementation ....................................................................................................... 55
Zoning Plan .............................................................................................................................................. 55
Rezoning and Conditional Rezoning ........................................................................................................ 56
Leadership and Public Input .................................................................................................................... 56
Partnerships and Citizen Engagement .................................................................................................... 58
Plan Updates ........................................................................................................................................... 59

Appendices ............................................................................................................................................
2011 Community Survey Results ................................................................................................................
Legal Notices - Recreation Plan ..................................................................................................................
Resolution of Adoption - Recreation Plan ................................................................................................. .

�Chapter 1: Introduction
Since it was founded in the 1870's, the Village

The purpose of the Eastlake Village Master Plan

of Eastlake has changed from a bustling lumber

is to set forth a strategy for the Village to guide

town to a quiet residential community along

future development and change according to

the shores of Manistee Lake. With close con-

the community's priorities. The plan is in-

nections to industrial activity along the shore-

tended to provide for:

line and with the City of Manistee, the Village is

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known as a bedroom community with access to

Informed decisions: The Master Plan provides a stable, long-term basis for informed

incredible fishing and boating opportunities, a

decision-making. Analysis of existing condi-

small town atmosphere, and historic character

tions, combined with the goals and policies

and heritage.

that are outlined in the Plan, help guide the
Planning Commission and Village Council as
they consider zoning, new development,

To ensure that Eastlake's cherished qualities

capital improvements, and other matters

are preserved and maintained, while allowing

relating to land use and development.

for added investment that will enhance the
local economy and quality of life, the commu-

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nity must plan and prepare for change.

Optimizing Investments: The Plan provides
for coordination of public improvements

The Eastlake Village ~aster Plan was ere~
ated by the Eastlake Village Planning Commission, with assistance from the Northwest Michigan Council qf Governments. The
P.lan was _
prepared in accordahce with provl~
sions of the Michigan Planning Enabling Ace
(Publi c Act 33 of 2008) to e~hanc~ and pro-

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and private development, and also helps
the Village prioritize improvements to com-

The Eastlake Village Master Plan was devel-

munity facilities.

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Planning Process

Predictability: The Master Plan informs
citizens, property owners, and neighboring
communities of the Village's priorities and
goals, as well as where and how the community is expected to grow-allowing them
to plan for the use of property in a way
that is consistent with the community's

oped by the Eastlake Village Planning Commission and a master plan subcommittee, with
assistance from the Northwest Michigan Council of Governments. The 2011 Master Plan provides background information and public input,
with strategies designed to address changing
population, economic, and land use trends.

vision.

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Zoning: The Master Plan provides the legal

In order to ensure a broadly representative

foundation for zoning. The Michigan Zoning

planning process and recommendations, public

Enabling Act requires the zoning ordinance

input was obtained from a variety of sources.

be based on a plan designed to meet resi-

Two public forum/visioning sessions were held

dents' needs for natural resources, hous-

on March 3, 2011, and a community survey was

ing, recreation, industry, business, service,

mailed to all property owners and addresses in

and other uses.

the Village, and was also made available and
publicized online.

Survey summaries and re-

sponses, along with information relative to

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r.evio~§ studies and plans have inform
ntof the Eastlake Village Mast
~vant elements of'the foUowii:ig ·plans _an s u ,es are hi h~ghted/identifiecfthrougho
er Plan:

Manist~e (:ounty Master Plan (2()00) includes poli!=Y base&lt;( on the natur,al ~apabiliti~s.ofthe
la~d to·su·stain development; future ne_eds for variou s types_of development; the relationsfiip

of agricultural and undeveloped land on the eommunit'(s chara·cter and e~onomy the desires
and needs of residents and officials .
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· EnVision Manistee (2005), a county-wiEfe vision for land use ana transportation, was created
.. witb input from a variety of commuoity,stakeholders and provides a clear and citizen-led.focus · •
for a wide range of community re$ourc~s and n~eds, including culture, recreation, economy,
employmE!nt, education, governm1nt growt~/c;hange, health,' public safety, soda(environment~
infrastr;ucture, and natu,raJ resoqrc.e s/environment..
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New Designs for (irowth is a best-practice resource guide fo,r local govemrrie!lts and develop;;
ers in Northwest tower·Michigan. New Designs for Growth builds on the ten tenets of smart
gtowth to provide design guidelines thijt preserve·the r~gion's unique character, scenic beauty,
and natui::al resource~.
The Comprehensive,Economic Development Str~tegy (2010) assesses the economic conditions
ofthe region and provides a strategy for buildin·g on strengths and overcoming cha.llenges.

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Regional Non:Motorized Comprehensive Strategy (2008) is a facilities stl"ategy for 13 c9unties·

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in northwest lower Michigan that identifies priority non-motorized transportation projects to
help guide MDOT's investment.in the region',s non-m~toriz~d tr~nsportation system.

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Benchmarks Northwest (2004) evaluate quality oflife indicators in Northwest Michigan 'by.of. fering secondary data and public perception .(survey) -information that provides a snapshot of
. community strengths anci-challenges, The reports integr~te enviro.nmental, ecpnon,ic, and social factors in a way-that demonstrates the interconnectivity of issues 'impacting regional quality

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, Six Pillars of Prosperity are economic sectors that 't he People and Land/La_nd Policy ln~itute

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h~ve identified as'&lt;-pri_o rity ~reas
Michigan's success in the.·New Economy: Attractive Cities
· and Neighborhoods, Highly Competitive Scho~ls and tifelol')g L~arning Opport_
uriities,· Kn.owl- ~
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public events, are included in the plan appendi-

5.

Land Use. This chapter summarizes the

ces. Plan goals, objectives, strategies, and fu-

character, types, and location of the vari-

ture land use recommendations were devel-

ous land uses found in the village, including

oped based on public input obtained through-

residential, commercial, and community

out the process, analysis of existing conditions,

facilities and services.

and previous or related plans and studies.

6.

Goals, Objectives, and Action Strategies.

Goals, Objectives, and Action Strategies will
address the issues and opportunities iden-

Organization of the Plan

tified in previous plan chapters.

The Eastlake Village Master Plan provides over-

7.

Future Land Use Map and Zoning Plan will

views of existing conditions, discussion of pub-

formalize goals and objectives into future

lic input, identification of issues and opportuni-

land use policies that will be used in mak-

ties surrounding different elements of the com-

ing decisions on zoning changes and new

munity, and goals, objectives, and action state-

development. The map and zoning plan

ments/implementation strategies. Descriptions

will provide a stable, continuous basis for

of best practices, relevant programs, and exam-

land use decision making through changes

ples from other communities are highlighted

in the makeup of elected and appointed

throughout the plan. The plan is divided into

boards, and therefore encourages the im-

sections and chapters as follows:

plementation of the long-term goals and

1.

objectives of the Master Plan.

Introduction provides an overview of the

process and contents.
2.

8.

Plan Implementation, Leadership, and
Civic Engagement. This chapter will provide

Existing Conditions and Context discusses

an overview of the Village's decision mak-

Eastlake's history, its place in Manistee

ing structure, leadership, and other consid-

County and the region, and issues that are

erations that will ultimately drive the im-

relevant across the spectrum of the com-

plementation of the plan. Public participa-

munity, including demographics and eco-

tion, civic engagement, leadership, and

nomics indicators.

partnership opportunities will be discussed
3.

Natural Resources discusses the topogra-

in this chapter.

phy, soils, water resources, and green infrastructure available in and around the Village.
4.

Recreation. This chapter serves as the Vil-

lage's 5-year recreation plan, and discusses
existing recreational facilities and future
needs.
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�Chapter -2:
Existing Conditions and Context
with villages and small cities that are consider-

History &amp; Regional Context

able distances from larger metropolitan com-

Eastlake is defined in part by its setting along

munities. These distances have shaped the

the lakeshore and by the natural resources that

character of these small communities and cre-

surround it, as well as its proximity to the City

ated

of Manistee and the surrounding region. This

recognized as retirement and resort destina-

regional context and access to natural re-

tions, as well as desirable year-round commu-

sources have been the drivers for much of the

nities.

individual

identities

that

are

well-

Village's development and economic patterns,
and continue to provide much of the Village's
recreation, service, and employment opportu-

The rural character and access to water, forest,

nities.

and other natural resources has been the region's greatest economic driver. Many communities-Eastlake among them-were built up

Northwestern lower Michigan is a place of in-

around the lumber industry, or served as major

credible natural beauty, tremendous natural

hubs for water-based or rail-based transporta-

resource assets, thriving agricultural econo-

tion. Eastlake had its beginnings in the logging

mies, seasonal recreation and resorts, and year

boom of the nineteenth century, with the con-

-round communities. The landscape of forests,

struction of a sawmill on the shore of Manistee

lakes, rivers, orchards and farmland is dotted

Lake in 1870. The Village later became a stop

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on the Pere Marquette Railroad, which supported the logging industry and contributed to
the growth of the Village, which was incorporated in 1912.

In many parts of the region, once the land was
cleared, agriculture became an economic foundation for some parts of the region, while others developed economies around other natural
resources such as oil and gas. In the Manistee
area, however, water- and rail-based shipping
opportunities supported a variety of industries,
particularly along the Manistee Lake waterfront, which provided access to commercial
shipping.

The area's history as a thriving industrial center
and commercial port has resulted in a fairly
stable population base in Manistee County,
when compared to the rapid growth witnessed
in other parts of the region. Between 1920 and
2010, the population in many parts of the region

has

more

than

doubled.

Manistee

County's population, on the other hand, has
increased by about 18% during that time period.

Much of the growth in the region and the
County is the result of retirees and seasonal
residents that have moved to the area to take
advantage of the region's small town and rural
lifestyles, outdoor recreation, and natural
beauty.

However, most of those population

increases-along with the new development

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Manistee
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Eastlake
Village

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135,488 139,017 158,333 208,286 230,962 281,468 297,912

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that follows population growth-have occurred
outside of cities and villages. The desire for rural lifestyles or homes on larger lots, combined
with limited land supply and higher costs in city
and village boundaries, has led to greater
growth and development in rural areas, while
city and village population levels remain stagnant or decline.

21,265 24,527
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24,733
512

Population Characteristics
Household Size and Age
The age of a community's residents has significant impacts on housing demand, service
needs, and employment base; while household
size can reflect changes in community demographics and signal a need for additional housing options.

In part because of these new development
trends, but in large measure as a result of the
decline of logging and other industries, the
population of Eastlake has dropped substantially since its peak in the late 19th century,
when it was home to around 3,500 residents.
With the end of the logging boom, the number
of Eastlake residents dropped to 675 by 1920.
Since that time, the population has fluctuated,
with a low of 376 in 1950. The 2010 population
of Eastlake was 512-a 16% increase from
2000, likely reflecting the construction of new
dwelling units in the Village over that time period.

At 2.22 people per household (PPH), Eastlake's
average household size has declined about 5%
since 2000. The decline in household size is
generally linked with the aging of the population. As the baby boomers-the country's largest population group-reach retirement age,
the number of one- and two-person households increase, as do median age and percentage of the population over age 65. In the Village of Eastlake, between 2000 and 2010, the
number of residents over the age of 65 increased by over 50%. 148 residents, or about
22% of the Village's population, were over the
age of 65 in 2010.

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ity of M
:tee
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121,200.

86,500

34,208

125,500

77,400

37,721

30,351

108;600

66,500

48,700

44,667

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147,500

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cent
Eastlake's population is representative of the

is black or African American. Another

5.6% are of two or more races.

County as a whole, in terms of median age and
percentages of those over aged 65. The median
age in Eastlake is 46.8 years, compared to 47
County-wide.

In 2010, the male-female distribution was 245
to 267, respectively, or about 48% male and
52%female.

Despite the increase in the number of those
over age 65, the number of school aged chil-

Education

dren has remained stable over the last 10

Educational attainment provides an important

years, with about 19% of Eastlake's population

context when considering local workforce ca-

under the age of 18.

pacities and the community's economic vitality,
and plays a role in determining which types of
industries or business may choose to locate in

Sex and Race

or near the community.

The population of Eastlake is slightly more diverse than the County or regional population.
About 90% of the Village's population is white,
compared to 92% in the County and 95% in the
region. About 3% of Eastlake's population is

About 89% of Eastlake residents have a high
school degree or higher, a greater percentage
than surrounding communities and the state.
However, the percentage of those in Eastlake

American Indian, and about one half of a per-

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Community Survey, was about 8%, compared
to 12.6% county-wide.

Housing Values
In 2009, the median home value in Eastlake
was $72,900, compared to the County median
home value of $125,500.Median monthly rent
was slightly lower as well, at $559 per month in
Eastlake, compared to $607 for the County.
with a bachelor's degree or higher-about 3% is substantially lower than neighboring commuAbout 42.8% of Village renters, and 34.3% of

nities and the County.

homeowners with a mortgage in the Village,
paid 30% or more of their household income
for housing. When households spend over 30%

Income
Education and income levels are closely correlated, with higher education levels generally
translating into higher incomes. The median
household income in the Village of Eastlake in

of their income on housing, they're considered
"cost overburdened," which puts them at
higher risk of foreclosure, homelessness, overcrowding, or occupying substandard housing.

2009 was $36,042 - slightly below income levels in nearby City of Manistee and significantly

Eastlake overburden rates are consistent with

below County median household income of

regional affordability issues, with over 44% of

$48,690.

Income levels in Eastlake grew by

renters paying over 35% of their household

about 14% between 1999 and 2000, a slower

income for rent and 26.3% of homeowners ex-

rate than regional income growth, but higher

periencing cost overburden on a regional level.

than statewide income growth. However, despite lower overall incomes, poverty rates in
Eastlake were significantly lower than in surrounding communities. The percentage of people in Eastlake with incomes below the poverty
level in 2009, as reported by the American

Economy
Employment Sectors
The American Community Survey reports that
Eastlake has a workforce of about 239. The

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J\grii:urture, forest

fishir:i

Construction
Manufa.cturing i

Retail ~rade
:fran.sportatio.n and warehausing, and utilities
Information
F-inance ao~ insurance, and real estate and rent.ii
and leasing
Professional, scientific, and management, and administrative aria waste management services
Educatio.nal services, and health care and social assistance .
Arts, entertai
,
recreation, an
dation and fooa services
Ottier services, except public adminfsb"ation

largest employment sectors in the Village were

health and social assistance and arts, entertain-

production, transportation, and material mov-

ment, and recreation.

ing occupations (29.7%), sales and office occupations

(27.2%),

and

service

occupations

(25.5%). The largest industries, in terms of

Eastlake's-and

Manistee

County's-

number of employees, were manufacturing

employment trends are tied to statewide eco-

and retail, followed by educational services/

nomic issues. Michigan has lost hundreds of
thousands of manufacturing jobs since 2000.

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Industry Sectors, Manistee County and the State of Michigan, 2010
Data from Bureau of Labor Statistics
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'7. !:&gt;late Jobs

Because of the state's traditional reliance on

in Manistee County was 12.7% - slightly higher

manufacturing employment, these job losses

than the statewide rate.

have created a long-lasting recession with
enormous repercussions, resulting in unemployment rates that have persistently been the

It is expected over the short term that the state

highest in the country for the last several years.

and the region's unemployment rates will re-

Northwest Michigan's unemployment rates

main higher than the nation's; however, the

have generally followed state trends, while Ma-

region and the state as a whole are experienc-

nistee County, with its historical importance as

ing growth in several sectors, reflecting an eco-

an industrial and manufacturing community,

nomic transition.

has experienced more job losses than the re-

County's economy through 2020 show growth

gion as a whole. Between 1998 and 2009, ac-

in the finance industry, as well as in agricul-

cording to the US Census, the number of estab-

ture, fishing, forestry, and hunting.

lishments with paid employees in Manistee

•

Projections for Manistee

Knowledge- and skill-based employment is

County declined by 10%, compared to a 5.8%

experiencing significant growth in Manistee

decline statewide; and in 2010, the average

County. The finance industry is expected to

unemployment rate over the course of the year

have the County's greatest increase in em-

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form" also recorded more detailed information on,individual liousenold charact_
eristics,-includi~g income, employment; poverty, housing value, commute time, et-c. ,Beginning in 2005, tliat· •"
intormation is -instead collected ,eve~ 5 years b¥ the ,American Community Survey.
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communities eyery year. Questionnaires are mailed to

asample of.addresses to obtain informa-

tio n about hous_eholds and housing units. The survey produces estimates of poi!u.lation and
• housing charact.eristics data for small areas, including tracts and popu1ation s~bgroups. Questions asked are similar,to those on the i:lecennial census long form. Estimates for small geo,graphic areas are based on data collected over a 5-year time period, and represent the average •

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analyses, and disseminates statistical data regarding current social and economic issues. Data is
availablt? for county geographies, metropolitan statistical areas, and micr'opolitan statistical ar.

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ployment, both in terms of total number of

centrations of government employment

jobs (201) and percent growth (26%)

are much higher than statewide percent-

through 2020.

ages (27% vs. 13%, respectively). Government employment is expected to grow by

Manufacturing was identified as a declin-

about 4% through 2020.

ing sector of the County's economy; employment is predicted to drop slightly by

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another 2% by 2020.

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Employment in agriculture, fishing, for-

estry and hunting is significantly higher

Government employment is the largest
employment sector for the County. Con-

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sectors in the County. Employment in this
industry is expected to grow by about 20%
through 2020.
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The trade, transportation, and utilities
industry is one largest industries in the
county, and is expected to see limited
growth (about 2%) through 2020.

•

Leisure and hospitality employment, one

of the County's biggest employment sectors, is expected to remain at similar levels
through 2020, with about 2% growth.

Employment Location and Commute Time
Because there are few commercial or industrial
uses within the Village limits, much of the community's workforce is employed in nearby communities. Almost all of the workforce drove to
work, either alone or in a carpool; less than half
a percent reported working from home. According to the American Community Survey,
about 89% of Eastlake's workforce was employed within Manistee County, with the remaining 11% commuting outside the County
for employment. The mean travel time to work
was about 17 minutes.

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�Chapter 3: Natural Resources
The natural resources in and surrounding the
Village of Eastlake are some of its most important economic and quality of life assets. Regional industries rely on access to the area's
natural resources for both raw materials and
shipping needs. Manistee Lake is of regional
and statewide significant for its fishing, boating
and industrial shipping opportunities. A state
game area is located immediately to the north
of the Village, and just outside the Village limits, the state and national forestland covers

To ensure the continued and enhanced quality
of these resources, it will be important to balance community development needs with environmental considerations. The benefits of such
a balance are increasingly being quantified in
economic, public safety, health, and social
measures. Environmental quality and protection can enhance economic opportunities, increases the value of developed properties, and
acts as a draw for new residents and visitors.

over 120,000 acres of the County. These resources are key to Eastlake's quality of life, and
both residents and visitors take advantage of

This Chapter will discuss natural resources

the recreation

and economic opportunities

within the Village, to provide context for plan-

available in the forests, lakes, and streams

ning and future development that considers

within and surrounding the Village.

overall environmental quality.

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acres of Plainfield sands with 35-70% slopes.

Natural Resources Inventory

These areas have severe building constraints

Topography and Soils

and are prone to erosion.

Soils in the area are predominantly sandy soils
with flat or gently sloping topography. Nearly
70% of the Village's land area is covered by

Lakes and Streams

However,

The Village of Eastlake is bounded on the west

because of steep slopes along the Manistee

by about 1.5 miles of shoreline along Manistee

Lake shoreline, much of the Village is located

Lake, a 930 acre lake that serves as the conflu-

within a state-designated high-risk landslide

ence for the Manistee River and Little Manistee

area. Soils along the shoreline include about 22

River watersheds. The lake drains into the Ma-

Plainfield sands with 0-6% slopes.

East Lake
Soil Types

East 1,ake Village
Lakes
Coloma sand, 0 to 6 percent slopes
Coloma sand, 18 to 35 percent slopes
Coloma sand, 6 to 12 percent slopes

Covert sand, 0 to 6 percent slopes
Covert-Dair con.,lex, 0 to 6 percent slopes

Dair muck
Gorvan-Houghton-Glendora complex

Histosols and Aquents, ponded

Pits, sand and gravel
Plainfield sand, 0 to 6 percent slopes
Plainfield sand, 12 to 35 percent slopes
Plainfield sand, 35 to 70 percent slopes
Plainfield sand, 6 to 12 percent slopes
Udipsamments, nearly level and undulating

Witer

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�Natural Resources

nistee Harbor of Lake Michigan through a 1.5

eludes 23 acres under ownership of Little River

mile long channel, and also provides access to

Band of Ottawa Indians, and is the site of the

the Manistee River. As wildlife habitat, recrea-

Little River Band Natural Resources building.

tion opportunity, and commercial waterway,

The Penny Park Campground and boat launch

Manistee Lake is a cornerstone of the econ-

are located along the northern Eastlake shore-

omy, quality of life, and natural environment in

line.

Eastlake and the greater Manistee area.
The industrial history around the lake has reThe lake provides habitat for a wide variety of

sulted in

species, including

lake sturgeon, a state-

oils, brines, resin acids, arsenic, and mercury,

threatened species. Manistee Lake is consid-

and petroleum compounds- in the lake and

ered a high-quality fishing opportunity, and as

shoreline. Brownfield remediation efforts have

such is a critical element of the local economy

been ongoing, and have addressed contamina-

and is significant statewide in terms of its im-

tion within the Village and at other sites around

portance to tourism. According to a 2010 fish-

the shoreline; but elevated levels of contami-

eries report conducted by the Michigan Depart-

nants still exist in some areas of the lake. How-

ment of Natural Resources, the number of an-

ever, according to the DNR, areas near the

gler trips on Manistee lake runs as high as

mouths of the Manistee and Little Manistee are

20,000 per year.

high levels of pollutants-including

not as affected due to the effects of the flow of
the rivers.

Since the logging boom of the nineteenth century, the shoreline along Manistee Lake has
been heavily used by industry. The shoreline
still hosts forestry processing, salt production,
chemicals plants, and power plants, which depend on the commercial shipping opportunities
available through the deep water port in Lake
Michigan. Freighters are able to access factories along Manistee Lake through the Manistee
River Channel, which is regularly dredged to
allow for shipping traffic.

Wetlands and Floodplains
Wetlands-often called marshes, swamps, or
bogs-are areas where water is found, either
on or near the surface, at any time during the
year. These areas are invaluable natural resources for a variety of factors: they offer important wildlife habitat, along with opportunities for recreation such as fishing, hunting,
boating, and birdwatching. They improve water
quality by removing and sequestering excess
nutrients and sediments found in rivers and

Historical industrial uses along the shoreline
within the Eastlake Village limits have been
removed; the former industrial area now in-

streams; and reduce potential for floods by
acting as natural "sponges," slowing down
flood and storm waters. About 87 acres of wet-

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lands-including large cattail marshes-are

some concern that the dike may have adverse

located in the north and northwest corner of

impacts on water levels and fish habitat.

the Village, along the Manistee Lake shoreline.
This area provides important wildlife habitat
and marks the western limits of the Manistee

Green Infrastructure

River State Game Area. Within the State Game

The term "green infrastructure" refers to con-

Area, just to the north of the Village bounda-

nected systems of woodlands, wetlands, rivers,

ries, is a diked area called Peter's Bayou. The

and streams that are valuable in providing a

dike was installed to create waterfowl habitat

variety of benefits to a community's economy

and hunting opportunities; however, there is

and environmental quality. Because greenway
spaces like trails and natural areas are often

Village of East Lake
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�Natural Resources

seen as more valued amenities by residents

ents and other forms of pollution such as salt,

than even golf courses or swimming pools,

oil, and anti-freeze.

green infrastructure can increase the value of

smother the habitat that aquatic organisms

nearby property, with corresponding increases

need to survive and reproduce.

Sediment and sand

in tax revenues. And, continuous systems of
forests, wetlands, and other open areas reduce
the risk of flooding by controlling stormwater
runoff, and provide protection from storm
damage and erosion in coastal areas. Green
infrastructure systems also provide invaluable

Normally, these contaminants are filtered out
through rain and snowfall, which naturally filtrate through the earth and recharge the
groundwater. However, on paved, or impervious, surfaces, precipitation instead flows over

wildlife habitat and foster ecological diversity.

the ground, picking up chemicals, dirt, and
other pollutants, then flowing into a storm
Open space and forestland cover about half of

sewer system or directly into a lake, stream,

the Village's land area. About 440 acres of for-

river, or wetland, where it is discharged, un-

ested areas are found throughout the Village.

treated, into nearby water resources. Reducing

Along the boundaries of the Village, forestland

impervious surfaces such as roads, driveways,

generally connects with larger tracts of forest

and parking lots can provide significant benefits

and open space.

to water quality, while also reducing the potential for erosion.

Issues &amp; Opportunities
Water Quality
As noted, historical industrial activity has led
to high levels of contaminants in some parts of
Manistee Lake. Some contamination sources,
including sites in Eastlake, have been or are
being addressed through brownfield remediation activity.

Another contaminant that has been identified
as an issue in some areas of Manistee Lake is
sediment, a surface water pollutant that
washes from roads, parking lots, and driveways
through stormwater runoff, which carries nutri-

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�Chapter 4: Recreation
Parks, playgrounds, community events, trails,

Because of its importance to all parts of the

and recreation programming bring residents

community, recreation is a focal point in the

and visitors together and foster opportunities

planning process. This chapter will explore

for cultural expression, education, and civic

Eastlake's existing recreation facilities and op-

engagement. They promote public health and

portunities to enhance and improve its parks,

wellness by encouraging opportunities for

culture, and recreation opportunities. This

physical activity. And they act as economic driv-

chapter will also serve as the Village's 5-year

ers, raising property values, drawing new resi-

Recreation Plan.

dents to the community, and encouraging new
development

and

tourism.

Enhancing

Eastlake's recreation opportunities will thus
help create an engaged, healthy, socially vital
and economically vibrant community.

What is a Recreati'on Plan?
Through its recreation grants program, currently funded through the Michigan Natural Resources
Trust Fund and the federal Land and Water Conservation Fund, the Michigan Department of Natural
Resources (DNR) provides financial assistance to communities that are would like to purchase land
for parks, or are planning to improve or develop recreation facilities. To be eligible to apply for these grant programs, a community must have a 5-year recreation plan, approved by the DNR, that
meets certain requirements. DNR-approved recreation plans must include the following components:
•

Community Description and Planning Considerations

•

Administrative Structure

•

Recreation and Resource Inventory

•

Description of Planning and Public Input Process

•

Goals, Objectives, and Action Program

This chapter of the Master Plan serves as the 5-year Recreation Plan for the Village of Eastlake.
Some recreation

plan components will be included in other chapters of the Master Plan.

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R,creatioh; An tmpartant

Recreation Inventory

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At their -most basic, parks, recreation facilities,

available within Eastlake; and Village residents

· and community events prov,ide an environment

and visitors also have access to a variety of op-

ir:i which residents and visitors can g~ther ai:ld

portunities beyond the Village limits. The fol-

interact in an informal . setting; Qut par:ks also ·

lowing recreation inventory was completed

pro~ide a number of health and economic ben-

with information provided by Eastlake Village

efit s t &amp; the community:

officials and field visits, and provides discussion

• :. Parks ~nca'urag~ J?hysical activity, whict:1 is
critical in staying healthy, r~ducing' stress,

on recreation facilities, as well as regional assets, and their place in the community.

fighting obesity, and preventing chronic ,
conditions that lead to heart disease~ high
··: blood press~re, aAd dia~etes.

Penny Park, located along Manistee Lake, is the

Parks ·and trails are safe c:&gt;ptions for non- ,
motorized transport~tion,:-whi~b is especially itnpon:apt

tor those tt';at d~n't own a,

~ar t&gt;t cai;i't drive due to ag~, disapllity, or ·

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Village's largest and most frequently used park.
The park includes 38 campground sites, half of
which offer electrical hookup capacity. The
park also includes restrooms and showers for
campers, a picnic area, fish cleaning station,

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and boat launch facility. The park is regionally
significant as an access to Manistee Lake, which

Demographic groups with: ,expendable ihcome a~d significant c1mbu.rits, of leisure
time, such as retirees an~ - young profes- ~
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also provides access to the Manistee River and
Lake Michigan. Fishing in these water resources
is considered world-class, and as such Penny
Park attracts a large number of visitors to the
community in the spring and summer months.

Penny Park is owned by the Michigan Department of Natural Resources {DNR), and is leased
to and maintained by the Village. The lease
agreement requires that all fees collected for
usage of the park be held separately and dedicated solely to improvements, maintenance,
and staffing at Penny Park.

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Accessibility Assessment: Some of the park's
facilities meet accessibility guidelines.

Regional Recreational Assets
Natural Resource Areas

Johnson Field
baseball diamond,

The Village is surrounded by hundreds of thou-

basketball court, and playground. The park was

sands of acres of national forest, lakes, and

donated by Village resident Art Johnson. Origi-

streams. These natural resources and outdoor

nally used by local softball and baseball

recreation opportunities are prized assets for

leagues, usage of the park has dropped off over

the Village, the County, and the region as a

the years.

whole. 276 miles of rivers and streams in Man-

Johnson Field includes a

istee County-including 45 miles of wild, sce-

Accessibility Assessment: Some of the park's
facilities meet accessibility guidelines.

nic, or natural rivers-wind through the County, offering quality fishing, canoeing, and
kayaking experiences. Additional fishing and

Nature Walk

boating opportunities, along with swimming

The nature walk is located on Village-owned

access, are available in the County's many in-

property in the southern end of the Village, and

land lakes-which total over 9600 acres of sur-

includes a loop through forest area, totaling

face water-and along the 25 miles of Lake

about 2 miles of trails.

Michigan shoreline.

The Nature Walk is

maintained by local scout groups.

Accessibility Assessment: None of the park's
facilities meet accessibility guidelines.

About 73% of the County, or about 253,200
acres, is forested; much of this acreage is accessible to the public as part of the Manistee
National Forest. These areas, both within and

Eastlake Playground
The Eastlake Playground, located on a small lot
behind the Village Hall, was developed in 2011
and includes a new play structure. The park
was developed with donations in an effort led
by Village residents. Additional improvements,
including landscaping and seating, are planned.

surrounding the Village, lend themselves to
outdoor recreation activities like fishing, snowmobiling, hunting, skiing, hiking, and mountain
biking. Access to areas is available for snowmobilers, ORVs, cyclists, skiers, hikers, and others
through several trail systems including the
North Country Trail.

Accessibility Assessment: None of the park's
facilities meet accessibility guidelines.

Nationally significant regional recreational op-

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portunities-including the Sleeping Bear Dunes

The seven-member Village Council is elected

National Lakeshore in Benzie and Leelanau

every two years to adopt budgets, approve

Counties-are located within an hour's drive

contracts, adopt policies, and oversee staff.

from the Village and are easily accessible to

Budgets, planning, staffing, and other issues

Manistee residents.

related to the parks and other Village facilities
are overseen by the Village Council.

Snowmobile and ORV Trails

Snowmobiling is a popular winter activity for

Staff &amp; Volunteers

both residents and visitors. In addition to desig-

Parks are maintained by Village maintenance

nated trail systems, within the national forest,

staff, which includes one full time employee. A

snowmobiles and off-road vehicles (ORVs) are

park attendant for Penny Park is employed sea-

authorized to use Village street right-of-ways.

sonally.

Some maintenance is conducted by

volunteers or community services groups.

Private Recreation Facilities
Private golf courses, campgrounds, and other

Funding &amp; Budgeting

amenities are available throughout the Village

Funding for park maintenance, improvements,

and County.

and activities comes from several Village funds.
Penny Park improvements, maintenance, and
staffing is supported by campground fees,

Administration, Funding and
Budgeting

which are deposited in a park fund dedicated
solely to Penny Park activities. In 2010, about
$14,000 was budgeted for Penny Park.

Village Council

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Maintenance for the Nature Walk is supported

Maintenance and improvement activities at

by a percentage of funding from the Major

Johnson Field are supported by funding from

Street and Local Street Program. Funding is set

the "general maintenance" fund; $1,000 was

annually based on federal guidelines for the

budgeted for this fund in 2010.

maintenance and upkeep of off-road areas.

$5,049 was budgeted for off-road street
maintenance in 2010; funds cover both nature
walk maintenance and landscaping along the
tunnel of trees.

Issues and Opportunities
How does Eastlake build on its recreation assets? Where are improvements needed? What
is missing from the recreation system? What
types of recreation opportunities do residents
need and want? To begin to answer some of
these questions, issues and opportunities have

Recreation Priorities:
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been identified for consideration in goal

201-:t Survey Results

setting, action planning, and policy developThe 20P Maste~ Plan Surve,y asked respond- , ment.
ents abo1:Jt the importance of the devel9pment ,
or enh~neement of the following types of rec~:
reation. Follawirig are the percentage or

sponse~ that indicated that _these acti~ities, are .
"very important" or "somewhat important."·

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Demographics

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Different population groups have different rec-

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reation needs and interests; so when planning
for

recreation

facilities,

the

community's

growth trends, age, and income levels are imfis~in~ access

91%
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portant factors to consider. Eastlake has seen

Boating access

86%

some population shifts over the last ten years,

Playground equipment

68%

Athletic f.ields/tennii co~rts

56%

drop in the number of family households, and

Hiking/skiing trails

52%

increasing numbers of seniors. As individuals

Swimming

51%

as noted in Chapter 2, Existing Conditions and
Context, with a decreasing household size, a

age, needs increase for facilities that accommoUniversal accessibility features ·46% ,
Snowmobile/ORV use of Vil- 41%
. lage streets
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date passive recreation such as walking and
boating. Barrier-free access to recreation is particularly important for an aging population, and
the provision of barrier-free recreation will become an increasingly high priority as the population ages.

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�Recreation

With nearly a quarter of the Village's population under the age of 18, youth-oriented recreation opportunities will continue to be important both for current residents and as an

Planning Process
The recreatiort plan was developed with guidance from the Eastlake Village Planning Commission and Master Plan Committee, with assistance from the Northwest Michigan Council of

amenity to draw new families to the Village.

Governments (NWMCOG).
In addition to age considerations, it's also important to ensure that activities and amenities

Public Input

in the community are within the financial

Public input was obtained through Committee

means of the majority of residents. Because

input, a Village Master Plan Public Forum held

per capita and median household income in the

in March 2011, and a community survey that

Village are lower than the County and the State

was mailed to all Village addresses and proper-

of Michigan, the need for free activities or low-

ty owners in March 2011.

er prices to accommodate families and those
with moderate incomes may be important.

Recreation Plan Comment Period
Notices were posted relative to the availability

Penny Park

of the plan for review on November 25, 2011

Public input shows that Penny Park activities-

and December 23, 2011. No comments were

namely boating and fishing-are considered

received during the plan comment period.

important priorities, and the 2011 Master Plan
survey showed that a majority (78%) of residents would support overall improvements to

Public Hearing and Adoption

the park. Support was even higher for specific

Public hearings were held on January 11, 2012

improvements relative to boating and fishing,

and February 8, 2012. The Planning Commis-

with a significant majority of respondents

.sion recommended adoption of the Recreation

(91%) answering that development or enhance-

Plan to the Village Council on January 11, 2012.

ment of fishing access was somewhat or very

The Village Council approved the plan on Feb-

important. 86% felt that boating access im-

ruary 8, 2012.

provements or enhancements were important.

In addition to support expressed in the survey,

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discussions at the March 2011 public forums
recreation comments were centered on Penny
Park improvements, as follows:

Johnson Field
2011 survey results and forum comments indi-

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Dredging canal to improve fishing access

•

Floating dock to enhance accessibility

with only 16% of survey respondents stating

•

Linkages to the Village and other parks

that they use the park. A low percentage of

through a trail or stairway from Johnson

survey

Field to Penny Park

they're satisfied with the park. At the public

cate that Johnson Field usage is generally low,

respondents

(25%)

indicated

that

forums, residents discussed low usage, con•

Landscaping, maintenance, and general
improvements to address issues and needs

for lighting, waste, signage, and landscaping.
•

cerns over maintenance of the park, and an
interest in improvements to the ball fields, dugouts, and lighting, to encourage greater usage
by local softball and baseball teams, including

Improvements to restrooms and showers,

Little League.

including universal accessibility features
•

Swimming access is not currently available

on Manistee Lake, due to marsh areas

Nature Walk and Trails

along the shoreline. A number of beaches

The Nature Walk lacks linkages to other trail

that provide swimming access to Lake

systems, which may contribute to relatively low

Michigan are available in nearby Manistee.

usage levels.

Access to Penny Park is currently only available
from an access drive located outside of the Village's primary residential area. A trail and stairway from Johnson Field to the lakefront and
Penny Park were identified in the public forum
as possible recreation improvements that
would enhance access and usage for residents.
Public discussions also included linkages to existing snowmobile and other trails within the
National Forest, with parking availability. Connections such as these between Penny Park,
Village neighborhoods, other Village parks, and
surrounding trail systems could enhance use of
the community's resources and attract visitors

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�Recreation

Timeframe

Goal/ Action
General Improvements

2012

Install security cameras

2012+

Provide accessibility features at all parks
Provide for parking and landscaping improvements at all parks
Penny Park

Dredge canal

2012

Implement general park improvements to campsites, access,

2012

signage, and park facilities
Develop a floating dock

2012+

Provide electric hookups for all campsites

2012+

Johnson Field

Improve lighting at the ball fields

2012+

Provide for parking

2012

Develop a gazebo or picnic area

2012+

Nature Walk

Provide for parking

2012

Pursue trail expansions and/or linkages with nearby trail sys-

2012+

terns
Eastlake Playground

2012

Landscaping and seating improvements
Other

Develop a "snowmobile route" with posted signage from trail

2012+

throughout the Village
Explore and consider implementation of a trail or walkway
providing access to Penny Park/Manistee Lake shoreline from
Village residential areas

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looking for mountain biking, snowmobiling, or
other trail-based recreation opportunities.

Community Events
Discussion at public forums included comments
about historical community events and declining participation. Festivals and other community events to celebrate local history could help
build public pride and community engagement.

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�Chapter 5: Land Use
An understanding of existing land use patterns

ment and redevelopment, and are based

is required to ensure that any future develop-

on the goals and objectives of the commu-

ment or redevelopment is compatible with the

nity, as identified in the planning process.

Village's existing character, environmental fea-

The future land use map is not intended to

tures, community needs, and vision and goals.

be parcel specific; future land use recom-

The Master Plan addresses land use through

mendations are intended be used as a long-

analysis

portrayed

range (20+ years), general guide for devel-

through several types of maps and descrip-

opment patterns. Desired results are not

tions:

expected to occur in the near future.

•

and

recommendations

The existing land use map and descriptions
identify the current, "on the ground," uses
of properties within the Village, regardless
of what is permitted by zoning or recommended by the Master Plan.

•

sions, this chapter includes descriptions of existing land use and neighborhood types found
in the Village, as well as issues and opportuni-

Zoning identifies the permitted land uses
for development and redevelopment for

ties that have been identified for each use.

each geographic area in the Village. The

Residential

zoning map shows what is allowed to occur

A sizable majority of Eastlake's developed land

legally on a parcel-by-parcel basis, regard-

•

To provide a context for future land use deci-

area consists of residential uses. The 2010 Cen-

less of the current existing use for that par-

sus reports that there are 266 housing units in

cel.

the Village, of which 231 units (87%) are occu-

The future land use map and descriptions

pied.

identify the preferred patterns of develop-

Eastlake Zoning Ordinance &amp; Relation to the Master Plan
The Master Plan and Zoning Ordinance are closely connected, and both have important impacts on
'land use and development. The Michigan Zoning Enabling Act {PA 110 of 2006) requires zoning to
be based on ari adopted plan that is designed to promote the health, safety, and general welfare of '
all citizens. The master plan provides guidance for zoning decisions, including amendments to the
text or the zoning map. As such, zoning is the method most commonly used to achieve master plan
goals. However, it's important to recognize that the Master Plan is only a guide, and does not have
the rule of law and cannot enforce where or how something is built. The Zoning Ordinance, on the
other hand, is a legally enforceable law that regulates land and buildings, and establishes standards
for development.

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Commercial
Commercial land uses make up only a small
percentage of the Village's land area. One commercial establishment, a restaurant, is located
on M-55, a second is located within a residential neighborhood, and a third is located along
the Manistee Lake shoreline. However, significant acreage is currently zoned for commercial
development along M-55.

Industrial
According to the 2009 American Community

There are currently no industrial uses within

Survey, Eastlake's housing stock primarily con-

the Village. However, significant acreage along

sists of owner-occupied single family homes

the shore of Manistee Lake has historically

and mobile homes.

been used for industry. This area, which currently has access to rail service and has been

•

Single Family Residential: The majority -

86% - of the Village's housing stock consists

considered for new industrial development, is
zoned for industry.

of single-family detached homes.
•

Mobile Homes: A mobile home park, the

The Village of Eastlake also owns 10 acres in

Village's newest housing development, is

the Manistee Industrial Park Renaissance Zone.

located on the south end of the Village.
According to the American Community Survey, about 7.8% of the Village's housing
stock consists of mobile homes.
•

Multi-Family Residential:

Community

Facilities

and

Services

About 5% of
Community facilities and services play an im-

housing units are 2 or more units.

portant role in the Village's vitality, and serve
health, recreational, and government needs of
Over half of the Village's housing stock was

the Village. The quality of these services and

built before 1960, and about a third was built

facilities is linked inextricably with the Village's

prior to 1940.

quality of life. These uses are closely aligned

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. Eastlake Housing Stock
Occupied and Vacant Housing Units
#

Occupied Housing Units
Vacant Housing Units

For rent

231

86.8%

35

13.2%

16

45.7%

Rented, not occupied

0

For sale only
Sold, not occupied
For seasonal, recreational, or occa-

5

14.3%

1

2.9%

sional use

6

17.1%

All other vacants

7

20%

Source: 2009 American Community Survey

Year Structure Built
Source: 2009 American Community Survey

1990to
1999

earlier
31%

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1980-1989
4%

1970to 1979
8%
6%
9%

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with residential areas, and are often considered

Eastlake has no central water or sewer system.

to be part of the neighborhood. There are sev-

Homes and other structures are serviced by

eral public facilities in the Village, including

private wells and septic systems.

parks, Village offices and service areas, the
Little River Band Natural Resources building,
and the Eastlake Post Office. Other critical ser-

Other Facilities and Services

vices and facilities that meet community

Many essential services are available nearby in

health, educational, and other needs are locat-

Manistee City and Township:

ed nearby in the City of Manistee and Manistee
Township.

•

Medical Facilities: The West Shore Medical
Center, a 25-bed nonprofit, acute care criti-

Village Hall

cal access hospital that provides emergen-

The Village Hall, an historic structure located in

cy, diagnostic, treatment, and rehabilita-

the center of the Village, serves as community

tion services, is located on Parkdale Avenue

meeting and event space, and houses adminis-

in Manistee Township, about 4 miles out-

trative offices. The hall was built in the late

side the Village of Eastlake.

nineteenth century.

•

Schools: Eastlake is located in the Manistee
Area Public School District.

•

Village Services

Libraries: Manistee County operates several libraries, in Arcadia, Bear Lake, Kaleva,

The Village Fire Department is a volunteer fire

Manistee, Onekama, and Wellston.

department. The department, formed in 1881,
is one of the oldest in the state.

A Village-

owned storage building houses fire equipment.

Transportation
Highways and Streets

Other Village-owned property include the leaf
dump/compost site, four parks, and open land.

M-55, an east-west state highway, bisects the

About 80 acres of Village-owned property are

northeast quarter of the Village.

located near the southern Village boundary.
Parks are addressed in detail in Chapter 4, Recreation.

The Village maintains 8.47 miles of streets, including 2.55 miles of major streets and 5.92
miles of local streets.

Utilities

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All-terrain vehicles and off-road vehicles, in-

is located on Village-owned property in the

cluding snowmobiles, are permitted in the Vil-

south of the Village.

lage street rights-of-way.
Transit

Air and Rail

The Village's public transit needs are served by
Regional air service is available nearby at the
Manistee-Blacker Airport, located three miles
northeast of the City of Manistee. A new terminal built in 20007, along with new security
fencing and instrument landing system, have
enhanced the services of the airport.

the Manistee Transportation Authority, a private nonprofit corporation.

Established in

1975, it receives funding from state and federal
sources along with county tax revenues from a
dedicated transportation millage that supports
public transportation services.

MCT provides

dial-a-ride service within a service area of
Rail lines are located in the Village of Eastlake
along the shore of Manistee Lake. Freight is

about 544 square miles; in 2010, over 109,000
passengers were served by MCT.

the primary usage of the rail system, which currently provides services to Manistee industries.

Public transit is most frequently used by four
groups: those with low incomes, seniors, individuals with disabilities, and households with

Non-Motorized Transportation

limited access to vehicles. About 40% of MCT's
Some residential streets are served by side-

total ridership is comprised of seniors and per-

walks. The Nature Walk, a non-motorized trail,

sons with disabilities.

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and population ages, it's important to provide a

Issues and Opportunities

variety of housing types and sizes to accommo-

Residential Character &amp; Development

date the needs of smaller households and an

Public input expressed a strong desire to maintain and enhance the primarily residential character of the Village, with survey results and
public discussions both stressing an interest
and priority in preserving the existing mix of
land uses. 92% of respondents to the community survey indicated support for maintaining the

aging population.

Currently, the majority of

housing stock for sale consists of mobile
homes. Additional housing options and land
available for residential use will be an important consideration.

New Commercial Development

primarily residential character of the Village. As

Public input throughout the planning process
included discussions about opportunities for

might be expected from these responses, there

new commercial development. Survey respons-

was also strong support for new single family

es showed low levels of support for general
commercial development; but when more spe-

home development.

cific questions were asked relative to neighborhood commercial development- i.e. small re-

Household Characteristics and Housing
Demand

tail, services, or offices-support increased to
59%. Just over half of respondents supported

Trends toward shrinking household sizes mean
that more housing units will be needed simply

the idea of additional highway commercial such
as gas stations and retail. In public forums, dis-

to maintain existing population levels. Changes

cussions expressed an interest in small scale

in demographics will also result in changes in
housing demand. As household size declines

commercial

uses that could meet residents'

basic shopping needs, such as a small grocery

1

Best-Pr~c;tice: Planned Unit Devel9pments
.

'

A planned unit development (PtJD) is a zorting techoiqu~ that acts a~ a type of overlay or supplement to existing zoning. PUDs allow some flexibility in terms of use, density, and site layout, but
also include a special review process, in which the site plan is reviewed in the context of adopted
community goals or standards that are included jn the PUD ordinance. This technique is often used
. in creatihg iarge-scale, mixed-use developments, as they provide a certain level

of flexibilfty that is

.balanced with community involvement and accountability.

The tei:rh
"PUD"
is often used interchangeably t9
,.
.
zoning regu1ation.

.

mean both the development itself, as well as the.
.

'

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�Land Use

store or convenience store. Responses and discussions generally appear to support the idea
of some small scale commercial development,
but only if it allows the Village to retain its residential character.

New industrial development
The 2011 Master Plan survey showed very low
levels of support for industrial development,
particularly relative to heavy industry (about
8% positive responses). However, there were
more positive responses for light industrial activities like high-tech electronics and computer
-related manufacturing, with about 51% indicating they would support this type of development.

ing units of government, including Manistee
County, Manistee Township, and Little River
Band on some initiatives. Several comments in
the surveys and public forums addressed the
potential for partnership with other communities on some issues.

Village hall
Due to its age, the Village Hall needs some rehabilitation. An energy efficiency audits was
completed in 2011, and indicated needs for
new lighting and improvements to building envelope, systems (including heating), and controls, in order to improve efficiency and reduce
energy consumption and costs. Some structural
improvements may also be necessary.

Partnerships
The Village of Eastlake has successfully implemented partnerships in the past for community
services such as maintenance and beautification efforts. There has been discussion on exploring opportunities to partner with neighbor-

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�Village of Eastlake Zoning

Pine Creek

Legend
""'-.,Roads

(ii

East Lake Village

£3,

Lakes

""-- Rivers

Zoning

~ Commercial
Agriculture

~ Industrial
~ Public Purpose

15th

..;
~

Residential
16th

(=:) Residential 2

The information included in this map was provided by the Village of Eastlake in
2011, and may not reflect the most current conditions. Please contact the Vil-

Single Family
Discretionary

lage for the official Eastlake Village Zoning Map.
Created: June 2011

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Pine Creek

Legend
,.,.__ Rivers
~ Roads

Lakes
Existing Land Use
. . eommercial

orestfOpenSpace
ubliC

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�DRAFT 9-13-11
Chapter 6: Goals, Objectives,

&amp; Action Statements
The goals, objectives, and action strategies in
this chapter are intended to guide future devel-

Land Use

opment, policy initiatives, and other activities

Goal:

in a manner that reflects the community's val-

and design that meet the needs of existing

ues and priorities. These goals were developed

and future land uses, while maintaining and

using public input, previously adopted plans

enhancing Eastlake's sense of place.

and studies, and analysis of current conditions,

Encourage balanced land use patterns

Objective

as discussed in previous plan chapters.
Improve the quality of existing housing stock.

•

Provide consistent enforcement of Village
ordinances.

In order to appropriate!
b~ing made towards the community's vision-it's important to undetsta
'

-

, ~

~

1'~

their relatiao~hip to ~~ch other.

Goals

descri tion o t e e

provide g_eneral direction and se •

issues .and spe~ific ne

ibjectives

t ar4;! broad in s

are a ~eans of ~diieving·goals, !3n~ are attainable.

Gtion Strategies

fih the 51&gt;ecifits nece;a

'igbt be qs~d to a.ceomplis,h multiple_objectives; or
ie_s, /\ctio~ strategi

·· ' implementation tool

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•

Work with community partners to provide

with minimal noise, lighting, emissions, or

and promote housing rehabilitation pro-

environmental impacts to adjacent uses.

grams and incentives.
•

•

•

Allow for some low-impact commercial

Continue and enhance enforcement of ex-

type uses such as home occupations, cot-

isting nuisance and land use regulations.

tage industries, or office space in nonconforming buildings, provided impacts to
neighboring residential properties are minimal.

Review staffing and administration to ensure regular enforcement of existing regulations.

Objective
Provide for a range of housing types, sizes,

Transportation

and prices.

Goal:

•

Continue to provide for a range of housing

transportation system.

densities throughout the Village.

Objective

Encourage high-quality housing infill devel-

Provide a balanced, high-quality, multi-modal

opment in existing residential areas.

transportation network that provides safety
and efficiency for all users.

•

•

Consider zoning changes to allow for a
range of housing sizes or types that are

Provide a safe, efficient, and balanced

Action Strategies

consistent with existing residential
•

neighborhoods and character.

system to provide for traffic flow that is

Objective

safe and efficient for all users, including

Provide for a range of uses to support the service, shopping, employment, and recreation

vehicle/truck traffic, pedestrians, bicyclists,
and others.

needs of residents and visitors.

•

Action Strategies
•

shoulders on street pavement for bicycles.

Regularly review, and if necessary, update,
•

•

Explore the creation of nonmotorized linkages to nearby trail systems, parks, and

to ensure ...

neighboring communities.

Provide for commercial uses that meet the
basic needs of residents and visitors, with

Create separate bike/walking paths, where
needed and feasible. Consider safe, wide

Village zoning and other land use policies

•

Maintain and improve the existing road

•

Develop private road standards to accom-

minimal impacts to residential neighbor-

modate small-scale developments. Stan-

hoods.

dards should address road width, design
specifications, surfacing types, and mainte-

Provide for well-designed industrial uses

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�Goals, Objectives, and Action Statements

: Village'Charact:er
av~ trees on Bullfrog

-

eed a g~ea\~r sen.se of Rlc!c
egative image ,
etter upkeep -=-_maintain or i

s tG celebrat~

"Mai'ntain residential character

-prov_efi~hi~g

·Keep :f be V.illage 'the,s~·me as it
efficiency,

acilities ,:·services

•

_ ~~ndscaping/pla_
n ting with native plan
Beautification -flowers, trees, etc

fiotentiaJ for sale or development of
owned land. _

separ,ate fr om Manist

- Use prison or jail workers for com"!u

br-ate hetJtage
-Market and advertise assets "

Provide improvements to Village
his!ori c character

Keep walkable, safe and quiet
•

Preserve Bullfrog Alley

_Organize more comrnunity events - community
yard sales, picnics, art fairs, softball; "8tc.
·

Management of government employees ·

Restore sense of community

ome a charter city

•

Attract' more young families

•

Need more jo'bs tC? attract new residents

ntial partilership opporturait-ies wi

•

,Make safer routes to bus stops
Fire department upgr;de - own building ·

Vision:.Recreation &amp; Natural Resources ·

Renewable}alternative energy sources for local
su.stainability

OP,en up y,,ater way ta Penny Park
-·

#I'

Build stairway from ball field to Penny Park.
•

Basic-recreation improvements

Vision: Land Use

Upgrades at Johnson Field - lighting, dugouts,
parking

•

•

flshi,ng dock-floating docks?
••

Condos
Restaurant' _
0

•

•

Dredging_
-Fishinglpknic/water access
·

rails ,,,_

L-i~ht industry- home business, live/work
Mini-mart on M-55

t:

Kee.p the buffer between the industria·1park and
the Village

k impr6vements -: Ian $Cap111g, re ,
imming opporfuoities,. increased infraure i.eAfa~dica-p a
· ·· '

Stnall-scaJe comme'ricial uses

ming area possibilit

Resjdentiai'and com'Cmercial growth couldincrease:revenue
~

Botential for nea

- - mercial dev.e

Keep residential ~tmosphere

with DNR
de snowmobile/ORV _
.
ot and trail int
reet. Regulate

Small light quiet. commerce/industry ,
II grocery, gas station, bait st9re,.·

.

~ ta.national

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nance agreements, at a minimum.
•

•

opportunities in civic spaces.

Support the region's public transportation
system.

Encourage and support arts and cultural

Objective
Preserve Eastlake's historic and unique char-

Quality of Life &amp; Sense of

Action Strat egies

Place
Goal:

acter

•

necessary.

life and small-town character of the Village of
Eastlake.
Objective

Maintain willow tree "tunnel of trees"
along Bullfrog Highway, replanting when

Maintain and enhance the quality of

•

Celebrate heritage with community events.

•

Encourage and support historic preserva-

Encourage citizen engagement in local govern-

tion programs and efforts at the Village Hall

ment and community events.

and in Village neighborhoods.

Action Strategies

•

Promote and encourage the use of parks

Natural Resources

and civic space for community events and
festivals.

Goal:

Protect and promote Eastlake's natu-

ral features
Objective
Preserve and enhance natural areas such as
wetlands, floodplains, and woodland areas
Action Strategies

•

Support and participate in the development of a Manistee Lake plan that addresses water quality and other environmental issues within the lake and along the
shoreline

•

Work with DNR and other stakeholders to
pursue habitat restoration in bayou area of
Manistee Lake

•

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Work with Little River Band on shoreline

�Goals, Objectives, and Action Statements

redevelopment .
•

provements at all parks

Continue to work with Manistee Lake
stakeholders toward water quality im-

•

Dredge Penny Park canal

•

Implement general Penny Park improve-

provement measures.

ments to campsites, access, signage, and
park facilities
•

Develop a floating dock at Penny Park

•

Provide electric hookups for all campsites

nities for all ages and abilities, that meet the

•

Improve Johnson Field lighting

community's existing and future needs .

•

Provide for Johnson Field parking

Objective

•

Recreation
Goal: Provide a variety of recreation opportu-

Develop a gazebo or picnic area at Nature
Walk

Maintain and improve existing parks.
•

Action Strategies

Provide for parking at the Nature Walk

•

Install security cameras

Objective

•

Provide accessibility features at all parks

Consider trail linkages and expansions to en-

•

Provide for parking and landscaping im-

hance access to additional recreation and
transportation options

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Action Strategies
•

•

•

Community Facilities &amp;

Pursue trail expansions and/or linkages
with nearby trail systems

Services

Develop a "snowmobile route" with posted

Goal: Provide cost-effective, responsive, effi-

signage from Nature Walk trail throughout

cient services and facilities that adequately

the Village

meet the community's existing and future

Explore and consider implementation of a
trail or walkway providing access to Penny
Park/Manistee Lake shoreline from Village
residential areas

needs.

Objective
Maintain and improve existing community
buildings, facilities, and services.

Objective

Action Strategies

Provide cost-effective, responsive, efficient
recreation services and facilities

Action Strategies

•

Improve public building facades.

•

Update Village hall interior and implement
energy audit recommendations and necessary structural improvements.

•

Appoint a 5- to 7-member recreation com-

•

web presence.

mittee to oversee park improvements and
activities and make recommendations on

Develop and promote an effective Village

Objective

park activities and budgets to the Village
Provide cost-efficient, effective Village ser-

Council.

vices.

•

Maintain an updated 5-year recreation
plan.

Action Strategies
•

Implement energy efficiency features in
community buildings and facilities.

•

Work with other community organizations
to address improvement or expansion
needs.

•

Pursue grant funding and donations for
projects when applicable and available.

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�Goals, Objectives, and Action Statements

on areas of mutual concern.

Partnerships, Cooperation, &amp;
•

Civic Engagement
Goal:

Partner with nonprofits and community
groups on fundraising and implementation
activities.

Work closely and collaboratively with

neighboring communities, stakeholder groups,

•

Coordinate with service groups, nonprofits,

and the public to implement shared goals and

schools, and other community partners to

objectives.

encourage civic engagement and volun-

Objective

teerism in the implementation of community goals.

Pursue partnerships that provide greater costeffectiveness and efficiencies

Action Strategies
•

Continue the Village's working relationship
with neighboring jurisdictions to coordinate planning and other Village activities.

•

Engage in regular communications with
neighboring communities and stakeholders

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�Chapter 7:
Future Land Use &amp; Zoning Plan
The Future Land Use Map and district descrip-

long range guide that describes the intended

tions translate the Plan's goals, objectives, and

character of the Village's neighborhoods and

action statements into future land use policy.

districts, and portrays a general land use ar-

Future land use district boundaries and recom-

rangement.

mendations are based on existing land use, environmental conditions, social and economic
characteristics, and community goals and ob-

The map and descriptions included in this chap-

jectives.

ter are intended to ensure that existing land
uses can continue while allowing for wellplanned growth and investment that protects

The map and district descriptions identify de-

and enhances local assets. As such, the Future

sired future land use development patterns

Land Use Map and district descriptions will

and approximate locations for each district.

serve as a guide for the Village, residents, prop-

The map is not intended to be parcel-specific

erty owners, developers, and other stake-

and as such does not reflect the precise

holders when considering new policies, current

boundaries or dimensions of future develop-

issues, land use and zoning decisions, public

ment. Rather, the Future Land Use Map is a

improvements, and community investments.

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�Future Land Use &amp; Zoning Plan

Future Land Use Designations &amp;

schools, daycares, etc), and do not detract from
the residential character of the neighborhood.

Zoning Plan

Any non-residential uses must limit impacts
such as traffic volumes, lighting, and signage.

Residential 1
Existing Conditions
The Residential 1 category includes a range of

Residential 2

medium- to high-density single family residen-

Existing Conditions

tial areas, most of which is located in or near
the central core of the Village. Most homes are
of traditional nineteenth-century design or single-level mid-20th-century homes. Some nonresidential uses, including small-scale business,
parks, and governmental uses, currently exist in
this district.

The Residential 2 district includes existing single family homes and some undeveloped property to the south of the Village core. Existing
development

consists

of

medium-density

manufactured homes in Eastlake Estates, a
small subdivision.

Future Land Use Intent

Future Land Use Intent
The intent of the Residential 1 district is to preserve the single-family residential character of
existing neighborhoods while offering a range
of housing types, prices, and sizes. New singlefamily residential development should be com-

The intent of this district is to support the continued development of the planned residential
subdivision and allow for additional singlefamily home development in a variety of sizes
and densities.

with historic development patterns,

New development should be consistent with

and should be well-connected to adjacent

the design and architectural styles of existing

neighborhoods, commercial districts, and ser-

Village residential areas, and should be con-

vices via sidewalks, trailways, and streets.

nected to adjacent neighborhoods via streets,

patible

trailways, or sidewalks.
This Plan recognizes that some non-residential
uses in this district provide important services,

Rural Residential

employment, and recreation opportunities to

Existing Conditions

residents. Accessory uses, home occupations,
two-family dwellings, public or community

The Rural Residential district includes much of

uses, and small scale services may be appropri-

the Village's undeveloped areas, as well as

ate if the use supports the needs and functions

some existing low- to medium-density single

of the neighborhood (i.e. parks, churches,

family homes. Existing homes in this district are

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of a variety of architectural styles, and many

commodate existing uses and residential devel-

are on larger lots that are somewhat separated

opment, while providing additional opportuni-

from the Village core. Homes and lots have a

ties for small-scale retail, office, or service uses.

more rural or forested character than residen-

Uses that serve basic shopping or service needs

tial lots within or near the Village core.

for residents and visitors are encouraged.

Future Land Use Intent

New development should include considera-

The intent of this district is to allow for some
additional residential development in a more
rural setting, in a variety of sizes and densities.
Development should be consistent with the
rural and forested character of the area. Development should provide for both vehicular and
non-motorized transportation connections with
other parts of the community. Private roads or
other infrastructure may be necessary to serve

tion of best practices for site design in order to
encourage safe and efficient traffic flow. Parking areas should be designed to minimize impervious surfaces and the amount of roadway
frontage devoted to parking. Parking lots
should be screened and/or located to the side
or rear of buildings, and requirements relative
to the amount of parking should be flexible.
Lighting should be designed so as not to encroach upon neighboring properties. New de-

some areas of the Village.

velopment should be well-connected to other
parts of the Village through streets, sidewalks,
Best practices for site design, including open

or trailways.

space conservation, non-motorized connections or trailways, and environmentally sensitive development patterns, should be considered.

Shoreline
Existing Conditions
As one of the Village's most important assets,
and in consideration of existing environmental

Commercial

conditions, the Manistee Lake shoreline has

Existing Conditions

been designated a special land use category.

The Commercial district includes one existing

The Shoreline district includes a mix of uses

commercial use and surrounding acreage along

along the shoreline, including Penny Park, the

M-55.

Little River Band Natural Resources administration building, and a boat storage/warehouse
building, along with rail, road, and water trans-

Future Land Use Intent

portation access. Significant amounts of wet-

The intent of the Commercial district is to ac-

lands and steep slopes create environmentally

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sensitive conditions that may impact development, and some portions of the district have
been identified as brownfield sites.

Public/Recreation
Existing Conditions
The Public/Recreation district includes proper-

Future Land Use Intent

ties that are permanently protected due to

The intent of the Shoreline district is to allow

status as environmentally sensitive areas, rec-

for continued use of the waterfront while pre-

reational uses, or government-owned proper-

serving and enhancing the Village's natural re-

ties, including Village-owned parks, wetlands,

sources and sensitive natural features. Devel-

and the former Village dump.

opment may be permitted in this district, but
because of existing conditions, may be subject
to additional state and federal regulations per-

Future Land Use Intent

taining to sensitive natural features or brown-

The intent of the Public/Recreation district is to

field conditions.

allow for preservation of the Village's natural
areas and to accommodate and enhance rec-

Uses that protect and enhance the Village's

reation opportunities and community facilities.

natural resources and recreational activities,
such as natural areas, trailways, and parks, are

Uses that protect and enhance the Village's

encouraged. Some residential, commercial, or

natural resources and recreational activities,

light industrial development may be appropri-

such as natural areas, trailways, and parks, are

ate, provided that the area's natural resources

encouraged. Any recreation-related develop-

are protected. Any new development should

ment should consider best practices that limit

consider best practices that limit negative im-

negative impacts to the natural environment,

pacts to the natural environment, such as natu-

such as natural landscaping, shielded lighting,

ral landscaping, shielded lighting, use of native

use of native vegetation, and low impact or

vegetation, and low impact or environmentally

environmentally sensitive development tech-

sensitive development techniques. Any indus-

niques.

trial or commercial development should be low
-intensity, with low emissions, noise levels, and
limited impacts to adjacent uses or natural resources. New development should be compatible with surrounding neighborhoods and wellconnected to other parts of the Village through
streets, sidewalks, or tra ilways.

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Draft Future
Land Use Map

""-" State Trunklines
~

Other Roads

~

Railroad

l akes &amp; Ponds
,.rv-• -

Rivers &amp; Creeks

Fu1ure Land Use
(

\

. . Corrmercial
. . PubficJRecreati onal
Residential
Residential 2
. . Rural Residential
. . Shoreline

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Plan Implementation
an appropriate mix of uses is permitted.

Zoning Plan
Zoning has traditionally been the primary

•

Special or conditional use provisions, to

means of implementation for most master

allow for higher-intensity uses, such as in-

plans. Further, the Michigan Planning Enabling

dustry, while ensuring that impacts to sur-

Act (PA 33 of 2008) requires the Master Plan to

rounding neighborhoods are minimal.

include a zoning plan, showing how land use
categories on the future land use map relate to

•

Site plan review language insures that development is in compliance with the zoning

the zoning map. The Future Land Use Map and

ordinance and other requirements, and

district descriptions act as the Village of East-

provides a review mechanism that ensure

lake Zoning Plan. The proposed land uses illus-

that new development is well-designed

trated on the future land use plan map are a
guide and not intended to indicate the precise

with minimal negative impacts to sur-

boundary between uses. These uses could vary

rounding neighborhoods.

depending on how a specific proposal relates

•

Lighting standards can limit impacts of

to existing uses, environmental conditions, and

lighting to adjacent properties while pro-

to the plan.

viding energy savings and reducing sky
glow (light pollution).

Many goals and objectives in the Master Plan

•

Private street or road standards regulate

can be addressed through administration and

private road design, with engineering speci-

implementation of, or changes to, the Village

fications and guidance for continued main-

Zoning Ordinance. Because the Village has not

tenance. Private roads can provide access

completed a comprehensive update of the zon-

to larger undeveloped properties, thereby

ing ordinance in some time, it may be neces-

offering additional development opportuni-

sary in many cases to amend the zoning ordi-

ties

nance or map in order to accommodate the
desired intent of the future land use map. The

•

Access management is a best practice that
guides the placement of driveways and

Village should thoroughly review and update

traffic circulation, in order to ensure safe

existing zoning regulations in order to ensure

and efficient traffic flow.

that they are consistent with the adopted
Master Plan. In particular, some zoning policies

•

signed to allow for flexibility in parking in

the Village may wish to review, update, or de-

order to reduce impervious surfaces.

velop include:

•

Parking standards should be carefully de-

Zoning district classifications, boundaries,

•

and uses, should be updated to ensure that

Planned unit development regulations allow options and flexibility for large or
mixed-use developments, while accom-

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plishing a number of community goals or

dresses expenditures for facilities, mainte-

objectives.

nance, staffing, and other administrative functions.

Rezoning and Conditional Rezoning
In many cases, current zoning allows for the
use of properties in a way that is consistent
with the intent of the Future Land Use Map.
However, in some cases, rezonings may be
needed to allow for the intended uses or development types of the Future Land Use Map.

To aid in the budgeting process, the Village
should consider a capital improvements plan
{CIP) that provides a blueprint for capital expenditures such as roads, utility improvements,
parks, and heavy equipment. The CIP would
help maximize tax revenues, encourage efficient administration, and aid in grant applications.

Conditional zoning is a technique permitted in
Michigan which allows a property owner to
voluntarily attach conditions to a rezoning re-

Leadership and Public Input

quest. These conditions restrict the develop-

The Master Plan is implemented in part by de-

ment of the property to that scenario proposed

cisions that are made by Village leadership on

by the applicant, and

must be offered by the

issues including zoning, budgets, policy, and

applicant-not imposed by the local govern-

capital improvements. Village leadership in-

ment. This technique may be useful in circum-

cludes the Village Council, Planning Commis-

stances where possible impacts to adjacent

sion, Zoning Board of Appeals, and appointed

uses are a concern.

staff. Each group plays a different role in the
implementation of the Master Plan.
Village Council

Capital Improvements, Grants, &amp;

The Village Council is elected every four years

Spending

to represent the community. Responsibilities

While many Village planning goals will be implemented through zoning or other policies,

include:
•

Appointing the Planning Commission

expenditures. Because some expenses or im-

•

Adopting plans and ordinances

provements may be eligible for grant funding,

•

Setting tax rates

•

Authorizing expenditures and borrowing

spending needs will be addressed in the Village

•

Hiring administrative staff

budget, which is adopted annually and ad-

•

Providing oversight of public facilities

some projects or objectives will require local

the Village should pursue grant opportunities
as

appropriate.

Other,

non-grant

funded

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•

Actively enforce the zoning ordinance and

•

ing regulations

related Village Ordinance
•

Acting on requests for variances from zon-

Other duties as necessary.

•

Acting on requests for interpretation of
zoning regulations

Village Planning Commission
The Village Planning Commission is appointed
by the Village Council and is charged with:
•

Development of plans and zoning ordionances

Zoning Administrator
The Zoning Administrator is a staff or volunteer
position appointed by the Village Council. Re-

•

Administration of the Zoning Ordinance

•

Advising the Village Council on proposed
rezonings or zoning ordinance changes

sponsibilities include:
•

Review and investigate applications to ensure compliance with zoning ordinance

•

Review of development proposals

•

Regular review (at least once every 5
years), and, if necessary, update of the Village Master Plan

•

Issue zoning permits, when appropriate

•

Investigate alleged zoning violations

•

Conduct site plan reviews and prepare staff
reports on zoning applications

Zoning Board of Appeals
The Zoning Board of Appeals is appointed by

Elected and appointed leadership, as well as

the Village Council and is responsible for:

any paid or volunteer staff, should attend regu-

•

Hears appeals on zoning decisions

lar training sessions on planning and zoning

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While many of the plan's objectives may be
addressed through Village policies, ordinances,
or other regulations, many of the goals and
objectives will require strong partnerships with
community stakeholders.

The plan recommends pursuing partnerships
with local service clubs, schools, nonprofits,
regional agencies, and other levels of government. Partnerships broaden the scope of available grant dollars and other revenue, encourage citizen engagement in community activities, and enhance staff capacities and efficiencies. Possible partners may include:
•

Manistee County

•

Little River Band of Ottawa Indians

•

Manistee Township, City of Manistee, and
other neighboring units of government

•

Local service groups

•

Student groups

•

Alliance for Economic Success

•

Northwest Michigan Council of Govern-

fundamentals, best practices, and emerging
and innovative approaches to community development.

To ensure that the Village is responsive to
community and development needs while protecting the public health, safety, and welfare,
the Village Council, Planning Commission, and
staff should engage in regular, open communication with the community. Regular focus
groups, public discussions, or other forum type

ments
•

Michigan Department of Natural Resources

•

Michigan State Housing Development Authority

•

Michigan Department of Transportation

•

Michigan Economic Development Corpora-

opportunities should be considered as a means
to continuously obtain input and feedback.

Partnerships and Citizen Engagement

tion

Partnerships with some of these organizations

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�Plan Implementation

may provide volunteer capital to implement

The Recreation Plan, which is included in this

some small-scale community projects. Volun-

Master Plan, should be reviewed and updated

teer activities will be critical to building citizen

every five years, to ensure that goals are rele-

engagement and community pride.

vant and objectives are being addressed.

Joint planning with neighboring units of government may also offer some important opportunities for efficiency in planning and administration. Joint planning activities could include
shared master plans or recreation plans, shared
planning or zoning staff, or planning for issues
of intergovernmental concern, such as water
quality or watershed plans.

Plan Updates
The Michigan Planning Enabling Act requires
that all plans be reviewed, and updated if necessary, every 5 years. While comprehensive
updates may not occur as often as every 5
years, regular review of the plan and its objectives will be important to ensure that the plan
and related ordinances are effective, whether
the goals and objectives are being addressed,
whether the plan's policies are still relevant
and appropriate, and which objectives remain
to be addressed.

During the plan review, several objectives
should be identified and prioritized as an implementation schedule, in order to help focus
the Planning Commission's activity throughout
the year.

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�Eastlake Village Master Plan Public Input: Executive Summary
In 2011, the Village of Eastlake began efforts to develop a Village Master Plan and Recreation Plan. The purpose of the
Village Master Plan is to provide guidance for land use, zoning decisions, and other community policy; while the
Recreation Plan is intended to provide a five-year action plan for recreation improvements and enhancements. As part of
this effort, the Eastlake Village Master Plan Committee has worked to obtain public input as a foundation for the plans.
Two public forums were held on March 3, 2011, with participation from about 30 residents total. In addition, a survey was
mailed to all addresses within the Village and to out-of-town property owners in February 2011. Following is a summary of
consistent themes that emerged from community discussions and survey results.

Village Character and Quality of Life
Comments at the March 3 forum reflect the desire to maintain Eastlake's small town atmosphere and sense of community,
which are highly valued by Village residents. However, there was some discussion regarding a decline in attendance or
participation in community or social events. Participants also discussed concerns relative to junk or blight, and how these
issues contribute to a negative image.
These sentiments were reflected in the Village survey, which indicated that relatively low numbers of respondents feel that
the social environment (25%) and overall Village appearance (38%) are "good" or "excellent. 92% of respondents would
like the Village to remain primarily residential. Survey results also stressed the interest on the part of respondents
regarding enforcement of junk or nuisance ordinances, with only 18% indicating that they are satisfied with current
enforcement activities, and 77% answering that these activities are somewhat or very important. 86% would support
enforcement initiatives in the future. This issue was also addressed in several written comments in the survey

Recreation &amp; Natural Resources
Recreation and natural resources were identified as important community assets at the forum. Recreation discussions at
the forum focused on potential improvements to Penny Park, which attracts the most usage of the three Village parks.
Improvements to Penny Park - including restroom improvements, dredging of the canal, and accessibility improvements
for boating and fishing - attracted more support than other identified recreation improvements. Other recreation
discussion and comments included trail linkages to public forest land; providing for pedestrian accessibility to Penny Park,
such as the development of a stairway to the water; and improvements or enhancements to Johnson Field.

Community Facilities and Services
Surveys addressed current levels of satisfaction and importance levels for Village facilities and services. Maintenance
activities - particularly winter maintenance - were identified as the most important, and several comments in the surveys
addressed this issue, along with the potential for partnership with other communities on some issues. Discussion at the
forum included comments such as addressing access to the leaf dump, partnership opportunities, improvements to the
Village hall, fire department building upgrade, and addressing maintenance costs. Apart from historic preservation efforts
(i.e. Village Hall), support in the survey for these items appeared to be split, with support for these initiatives at around
50% and significant amounts of neutral responses. These issues appear to be areas that will require careful consideration
and discussion in the future.

Land Use
Responses regarding satisfaction with the community's current mix of land uses were nearly evenly divided between
negative, positive, and neutral, but most participants in both the survey (92%) and at the March 3 forum would like to see
the Village retain its primarily residential character. However, there is an interest in some small scale commercial. There
was discussion and interest at the forum regarding a "neighborhood store" that would serve residents' basic shopping
needs. While general survey results don't show substantial support (38%) for general commercial development, that
support grows to 59% when specific commercial uses are identified - i.e. neighborhood commercial (small retail, services,
offices). Similar results are apparent when respondents are asked about highway commercial (gas stations, retail, dining,
etc), which had 54% support in the survey. This holds true for light industrial as well, which had 51% support when
specifically identified, compared to very low levels of support for general industrial development. Based on input, it seems
that there is interest in commercial or industrial development but at a small scale that serves residents needs.

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�March 3 Eastlake Village Master Plan Public Forum
Public Input Summary
Two Eastlake Village Master Plan Public Forums were held on March 3 at the Village Hall; about 30 people
participated (total). After presentations on Village planning history, demographics, and plan basics, participants
worked in small groups to discuss the following questions:
•
•

What are the Village's most important qualities and assets? What are strengths and weaknesses? Why?
What are your hopes and priorities for the future of the Village? What's your vision?

Some themes were apparent, based on wrap-up discussions at the forum and on notes from facilitators. The
Village's high quality of life and quiet, friendly, safe, small town atmosphere; and parks, open spaces, and
recreation emerged as the most important Village assets. Natural resources, including lake frontage, proximity to
the Manistee River, and national forest were also cited frequently as Village assets, particularly in relationship to
recreation opportunities.
Concerns focused on the local economy and Village aesthetics, along with some issues relative to usage or
amenities at Village parks. "Main ideas" or themes relative to community vision were as follows,:
•
•
•

Maintain the Village's residential character and small town feel, while improving or enhancing the sense
of community
Maintain and improve the Village parks and recreation opportunities
Allow for/encourage some small-scale, low-impact commercial uses that meet needs of residents and
visitors

Focal points from the discussion included the Village character or image and quality of life; recreation and natural
resources; community facilities and services; and land use. Following are summaries of assets, challenges and
visions for each of these focus areas.

Village Character and Quality of Life
Assets: The residential character and quiet, friendly, safe, small town atmosphere were seen as the Village's biggest
asset. There was discussion regarding the family friendly environment and sense of community and safety - i.e. knowing
your neighbors and neighbors looking out for each other. The Village's historic character and Bullfrog Alley, proximity to
Manistee (city assets without city), walkability, and affordable living opportunities were also considered important
attributes.
Challenges: Junk and maintenance issues create a negative image. There is a lack of services or basic businesses for
residents - i.e. bank, grocery, gas station - and for visitors, primarily lodging. Community events that have been held in
the past have been "losr - there is a lack of participation and momentum to organize events, and an overall lack of
engagement from residents in Village activities. There was some discussion regarding lack of enforcement on some
Village issues, such as traffic speeds on Village streets.
Vision:
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•

Save trees on Bullfrog or replace if necessary.
Need a greater sense of place to counteract negative image
Better upkeep - maintain or improve image
Maintain residential character
Keep the Village the same as it is but with better efficiency
Landscaping/planting with native plants
Beautification - flowers, trees, etc
Keep separate from Manistee
Celebrate heritage
Market and advertise assets
Keep walkable, safe and quiet

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�•
•
•
•

Organize more community events - community yard sales, picnics, art fairs, softball, etc.
Restore sense of community
Attract more young families
Need more jobs to attract new residents

Recreation &amp; Natural Resources
Assets. Penny Park campground and fishing access are important to the community. Thousands of acres of national
forest and the world class Manistee River are nearby.
Challenges: There is a lack of swimming opportunities or access for pedestrians to the water. Johnson Field is not well
maintained. The Village is not connected via trails to the surrounding forest. Sand deposits from Manistee River and
impacts to water flow in the lake from the Milwaukee boat affect fishing opportunities.
Vision:
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•

Open up water way to Penny Park
Build stairway from ball field to Penny Park.
Basic recreation improvements
Upgrades at Johnson Field - lighting, dugouts, parking
Fishing dock - floating docks?
Dredging
Fishing/picnic/water access
Maintain trails
Penny Park improvements - landscaping, dredging, swimming opportunities, increased infrastructure i.e.
handicap accessibility and showers.
Swimming area possibilities
Work with DNR
Provide snowmobile/ORV trail for access to natural areas. Parking lot and trail into state land on 6th street and N
street. Regulate snowmobile use.
Provide trail linkages to national forest
Maximize Manistee Lake and River connectiosn to the Village
Improve land and water quality
Better park maintenance
Focus on parks/roads/playgrounds
Festivals or events to celebrate heritage/history
Dredging could improve fishing access

Community Facilities and Services
Assets: Village leadership is invested in the community as residents. Not a lot of rules/regulations provides for flexibility.
Quality fire department/EMT. Village owns 80 acres of undeveloped land.
Challenges Low revenues create difficulties meeting needs. Ordinance enforcement, maintenance costs, and employee
management were cited as concerns, as were natural gas/infrastructure expenses for residents.
Vision:
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•

Potential for sale or development of Village-owned land.
Use prison or jail workers for community service
Provide improvements to Village hall - preserve historic character
Preserve Bullfrog Alley
Address access to leaf dump.
Management of government employees
Become a charter city
Potential partnership opportunities with tribe
Make safer routes to bus stops
Fire department upgrade - own building
Renewable/alternative energy sources for local sustainability

2

�Land Use
Assets. The Village's primarily residential character is seen as an asset. Large lots allows for space between homes and
privacy.
·
Challenges. No commercial uses means that residents have to drive to Manistee for basic needs. Mobile home park may
impact new residential development.
Vision:
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•

Condos
Restaurant
Light industry - home business, live/work
Mini-mart on M-55
Keep the buffer between the industrial park and the Village
Small-scale commercial uses
Potential for nearby commercial development
Keep residential atmosphere
Residential and commercial growth could increase revenue
Small light quiet commerce/industry
Small grocery, gas station, bait store, mom and pop store - something both residents and visitors could use
More housing
Opportunities for vacant land - housing developments?

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�Village of Eastlake
2011 Master Plan Survey
The Village of Eastlake released a Master Plan survey in February 2011, as part of the Village's master plan and recreation plan development efforts, in order to
better understand the community's preferences for the Village. A total of 335 surveys were mailed the week of February 21 to all addresses in the Village of
Eastlake, as well as to property owners that do not reside in the Village; surveys were also made available online. Recipients were asked to return their surveys
by March 18. 63 surveys were returned. Using the mailing total for a base, this would equal a response rate of about 19%.

Age of Survey Respondents

Based on answers provided in Part 4 of the survey, which asked for basic demographic information, most
survey respondents are Village residents (86%), and an even higher percentage were property owners (95%).
Most were age 45 or older (77%), and 36% were age 65 or older. Only 2 respondents were younger than 25.
The age of remaining participants was fairly evenly in terms of percentage.
This report summarizes survey results, with a focus on the strongest positive/negative responses overall and
for each survey section, in order to determine areas of community priority and consensus.

Agreement Areas
Several issues in the survey attracted a significant level of positive responses. Survey questions that received
over 80% positive responses are considered "agreement areas" as they have strong community support.
Planning, zoning, or operational issues that the community faces now or in the future should take these areas
into consideration, as they appear to be important to the community and will assist Village leaders in setting
current priorities and will provide a direction for the future. Strong negative responses, on the other hand,
clearly identify which current conditions and future directions are not acceptable to most residents.

Respondents clearly indicated their interest in retaining the residential character that they think the Village already has, and indicated which Village activities
should take priority - i.e. maintenance, improvement of fishing access, and efforts to address the Village quality of life and overall appearance of the community.

Areas of divided opinion are reflected in response rates that are fairly evenly divided between positive, negative, and neutral responses. These "toss up" questions
can signal the need for careful analysis or community discussion surrounding these issue areas.

1

�The responses below Include questions which received a total positive response (includes somewhat important and very important, somewhat agree and strongly
agree, somewhat satisfied and very satisfied, and yes responses) of 80% or more. Strong negative responses include a total negative response ("not very
unimportanf' and "very unimportant," somewhat disagree and strongly disagree, somewhat dissatisfied and very dissatisfied, needs improvement and poor, and no
responses) of 60% or more. Toss up questions are identified in commentary on each relevant section.
Agreement Areas - Strong Positive Responses:
• A total of 92% answered that they would like to see the VIiiage remain a primarily residential community (57% strongly agree, 35% agree somewhat).
• 92% consider Village maintenance to be important. 79% indicated that winter maintenance activities are "very important." An additional 13% considered
winter maintenance to be "somewhat" important (total 92% positive responses). 48% felt that summer maintenance activities are "very important," and an
additional 44% answered that this activity is "somewhat important" (total 92% positive responses)\
• 92% would support private foundation grants or donations
•
91 % indicated that It's important for fishing access to be developed/enhanced In the Village
• 90% would support grants for recreation funding.
• 89% feel it's important for the Village to address the overall quality of life.
• 88% feel it's important for the Village to address overall VIiiage appearance, and 86% think it's important to address Village services and facilities.
• 86% answered that it's important to develop or enhance Village boating access.
Agreement Areas - High Level of Negative Responses:
• 84% do not use Johnson Field
• 78% would not support heavy industrial development in the Village
• 71 % do not use the nature walk
• 67% would not like to see more Industrial growth in the Village
• 61% expressed dissatisfaction with ordinance enforcement (34% were "very dissatisfied" and 27% were "somewhat dissatisfied")

2

�Part 1. Current Village Services, Facilities, and Qualities
Questions in Part 1 of the survey asked participants to indicate the level of satisfaction with current services and identify areas that should be considered current
priorities. Three questions were asked relative to satisfaction, importance, and quality of current facilities or aspects of the Village. Seven specific services,
facilities, or Village aspects were identified for each question. In general, levels of satisfaction or perceptions of current quality were somewhat lower than the
levels of importance assigned to the features listed.

HowsatisfiedareyauwillllhefalkMingamnWlagesavices•faa'ilies?
[::J) ~ot sure/not applicable
Ver)' Satisfied D
c::J Very Dissatisfied
Sulmewhat Satisfied
D Somewhiat Dissatisfied

80 %

410%

20%

0%
·Gerieral wirnter
main,tenarjce
activ ~'ies (plowing,

General
s prirngl':s um mer.Ifall

Recre.it ion
mairr.tern;moe

Leaf d111m pf pick up
serv ices

-Ordinarnoe
ernf,c,rcement

m-.iinternanoe

etc)

3

6

Question 1. How satisfied are you with the
following current VIiiage services or
facilities? Responses in Question 1 indicated
fairly positive views of most current Village
services or facilities. Winter and summer
maintenance activities received the highest
number of positive responses, with 64% and
66% of respondents selecting positive
responses on these questions, respectively.
Ordinance enforcement was not viewed
positively: only 18% expressed satisfaction with
current ordinance enforcement activities, and
61% of respondents indicated that they are very
dissatisfied or somewhat dissatisfied with these
efforts. Other activities - including recreation
maintenance, the Village hall, and leaf
dump/pick-up services were more evenly
divided, reflecting a "toss up" or split community
opinion. Significant numbers of respondents
selected "not sure/not applicable" for these
questions (over 20% for each question).

�How importmd are lhei:AMing Wlage services 4)1 a:iliies to you?

c::J Ver,i Unimportant

q

Not s urelnot applicable

, Somewhat Important

Very Important

N10t very Important

80 %
1

60%

40%

20%

mairutemsnoe

nra.i nten;;noe

Zoning
ordinance

up ser11 ices

a,c,~i11ities
(plowing, ero)

cll.inges

Question 2. How important are the following
Village services or facilities to you? Despite

varying levels of satisfaction with the services or
facilities identified in Question 2, there is fairly
clear consensus that all current activities are
important to Village residents, with positive
responses ranging from 64% to 92% for each
question. Maintenance activities were by far
considered the most important Village service,
with 92% of respondents selecting "somewhat' or
"very" important for both questions. 79% of
respondents indicated that winter maintenance
activities are "very" important - the highest level
of strong agreement (i.e., "very important,"
"strongly agree," etc.} for any question in the
survey. While the majority has expressed
general satisfaction with this service, there is
somewhat of a disconnect here with how
important respondents believe this activity to be
(92% }, compared with how satisfied they are with
current services (64%}. Several comments in
Part 5 discussed maintenance issues.
Other priority services or facilities, indicated by
strong levels of support, are ordinance
enforcement and leaf dump/pick up services.
Ordinance enforcement had a high percentage
of positive responses (77%} in terms of its
importance. As with maintenance activities, there
is a disconnect with the level of importance
assigned to the activity and the current level of
satisfaction with this activity (18%}.
Respondents also consider the Village hall and
zoning changes to be important, with 74% and
75% positive responses, respectively.

4

�Please rate the curreatqllillity mlhefallawing aspects

[:=J Poor

«the lJiillage.

l:::J Needs Improvement C::i Neutral

Exoellent

Question 3. Please rate the current quality of
the following aspects of the Village. In respect
to the current quality of various aspects of the
Village, responses reflect some "toss up" areas
and relatively low levels of positive responses.
The highest positive response was relative to the
overall quality of life (65%), followed by natural
environment (55%). Positive ratings for the
community's social environment and economy
were low, both under 30%. There were significant
percentages of neutral responses (30% or
greater) in this section for questions including the
mix of land uses, social environment, and
economy.

80 %

60%

40%

20 %

0%
n,crcoatic,n
opportunities

Mix of 13ml
1.1ses! deve!opme
r.t opportuniti!!!

Socisl
env iror.m ent

env ironment
(i.e .• •comn:11111it1
ac:tiv ities , s,oci:il
e.-ent: ,
nei9nborhooi!I

appearanee

identity}

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�Part 2. Planning for the Future
Questions in Part 2 were asked to will help the Village determine priorities for land use planning and Village services in the future. Four questions were asked in
this section relative to potential future initiatives, how the Village should grow or change in the future, what types of development respondents would support, and
how important it is for the Village to address certain issues. Responses generally reflect importance, quality, and satisfaction levels identified in Part 1.

Would you ■UIJllllll--illcllling iiniiaiiwes?

0

No

Not Sure

Cl Yes
Question 4. Would you support the following
Initiatives? Participants were asked to select
yes/not sure/no responses for a variety of community
activities. The highest rated initiatives were
enforcement of junk, blight, and nuisance
ordinances, as might be expected from the high level
of importance assigned to this activity in Question 2.
Historic preservation activities also attracted
significant support. Outside of these two initiatives,
there were significant numbers of neutral responses.
Partnership with other communities and Village hall
improvements both received support from just over
half of respondents. The lowest-rated activities were
additional Village maintenance staff and Village pickup of leaf and yard waste at taxpayer expense.

Enforcement Regular hours Vi113;e pickR0Utin11
Historic
of j11nk. bTigl!,t , of operati11n up of leaf and
voluntt:er
preservati:m
or nuisance
for leaf dump yard waste at access to 'lesf efforts - i.e..
ordinl!lm:ies
(operated by
taxpayer
dump
Vill=l!Je Hall,
volunteers}
expense
v1iUow trees

Additiolllll
Villa11e
m-lliinteruinee

staff

Pmne!SJlip lmprovemants
with ott.er
to !he \filla; e
communit~
Hall
for prwis io11
of ! omeser.. .

6

�Howwouldyoulike theVillagelugrowgc:IBlgBOV111"lml'IBllt20,-s? Plmaeiiniicam....._yauagreeg
dis;vmwillllmilllcMinJ,sta..,. ..

q

Stro"9ly Oi.sagr,ee
Disagree s,omewhat

I W&lt;illllllil lilce to see
t'he V ill!lgie ,re ma im
a p ri rm arily
residltrrtial «:,&gt;mm . ..

O

No opioo

,Agree Somewhat

mo11e oom merc ial
growt h in the

I WCli!ld ,lik:e to s~
more in:lll!t&gt;ri!!I
gro\'lth in the

I would Jike to see
t h&gt;e resj denti31
populn ion of the

V,illa;a.

V illage.

Vill!l;e 1increme.

I wo 1:1ld lik:e to s ee

Strongly Agree

I wo lill::! like to see I wo 111ltl like to s ee
t llie res idential
t~ res.illli!:ntial
p0p11l:.t iom of the
popul!!tion of t he
V illage decrease. \llillB;e Stary l!m, ·s ...

7

Question 5. How would you like the VIiiage to
grow or change over the next 20 years? There
was clear consensus in support of the Village
remaining a primarily residential community - 92%
indicated agreement with that statement. Support
for other changes was not consistent, with positive
responses ranging from 3% to 49% . There was
fairly strong consensus against industrial growth,
with 67% of respondents disagreeing with the
statement that they would like to see more
industrial development. Slightly fewer respondents
supported additional commercial development
(38%) than those that disagreed that there should
be more of this type of development (44%).

While respondents were clear that the Village
should retain its residential character, there was
not a clear direction in terms of whether that
residential population should increase or stay the
same. While there was fairly strong agreement
against a population decline, with only 3%
indicating support for a population decrease and
57% opposed, opinions on whether the population
should increase or stay the same were split, with
less than 50% support for both questions.

�What types of additional w IIIM'deftlapment-..dd JaJSlftlllll in the VilageclEml ale?

r::::J No

Nel!Jlrborhood
commercial
(s.m i ll retail,

sel'Vlic:es.
offit&gt;es)

No opinion

Highway
litlht ind11s11y
He.ivy
comm·ercial (i.e. high te::h
industry
(gas stations. electronics,
(energy
retail, di ing,
00mp11terproduction,
etc}
rel;;tell
m-,mufacturiri,;
m;;nufacturi .. .

)

r::::J Yes

Hotels ,
motels , inns,
bed and
bre,1kfast
facil~ies

Sin!Jle-family
resi z!lenti31

Multi-family
resillent il!'I

deve lopment

deve lopm-ent
(apsrtments,

oomlos,
townhouses}

8

Other rple;,se specify

Question 6. What types of additional or new
development would you support In the VIiiage of
Eastlake? As might be expected from responses to
Question 5, the greatest support for additional
development was for single family residential, with
63% answering that they would support additional
single family homes.

Despite fairly low levels of support for additional
commercial development in Question 5, there was
nearly as much support for neighborhood and
highway commercial development in Question 6
(59% and 54%, respectively) as there was for
additional single family homes. The higher levels of
support likely occur due to the level of specificity in
the question: residents may support additional
commercial or industrial development, but only if it
allows the Village to retain its residential character.
This can be observed in responses to questions on
industrial questions as well. Despite strong
disagreement with general industrial growth in
Question 5, just over half of respondents would
support light industry. Heavy industry, however which typically involves more impacts to the
surrounding community - was viewed negatively,
with 78% indicating they would not support this type
of development.
Other development options listed in Question 6 multi-family residential and hotels/motels - were not
widely supported by respondents.

�In your opinion. how impadanl is itfurlhe Village ID adlhss lhe iJlcMmg aspects alhe CXllfflllnly?
c::J Very Important
r:;:::;:J No ,opinion
_ :Somewhat Important
Ver/ Important
- ·Some,uhatlmportant

80 %

60 %

20%

0%
Parlts and
recreation
,c:,pponu ities

Ill ix of lallll
uses/develop
ment
opponimities

Nat11ral
enviror,m er,t

Social
EconomyJjob
environment oppon111nities
(i. e..
oomm1mity
-3Ctil•ities.
socil!I ever.ts.
neighborhood
identity)

9

Question 7. In your opinion, how important
is it for the Village to address the following
aspects of the community? Participants
were asked to indicate whether it was
important for the Village to address a variety of
community issues, some of which were listed
in Part 1, Question 3, which asked
respondents to rate the current quality of
various aspects of the Village. The majority of
the responses for Question 7 indicated that it
is important for the Village to address those
aspects. There was substantial consensus in
particular regarding the importance of Village
efforts to address the overall quality of life,
overall Village appearance, Village services
and facilities (89%, 88%, and 86% positive
responses, respectively). Support for efforts to
address the natural environment and parks
and recreation was also high (79% and 76%,
respectively). These high levels of support
reflect the importance assigned to these
features and current levels of satisfaction
identified in Part 1. Lower levels of support or
split responses were found for "social
environment" and "economy/job opportunities"
which haven't traditionally been considered
the purview of local government.

�Part 3. Parks and Recreation
Part 3 asked 5 questions to help the Village determine current and future priorities for Village parks and recreation. Questions addressed usage rates, satisfaction
levels, and potential improvements to existing parks, and also asked what types of improvements or developments are important and would be supported by
respondents.

I~

100

HawaalialiedJUU_lllilll._......, .....,
Very dissatisfied
l:;;;::l No opinion . . . Somewhat Satisfied
- ~ Somewhat Oisslitisfied

H-aftendoym_ . . .,..... .....,
Never
Rarely c:i Sometimes Often

%
---------··
'

-

.....

100 %

:

,

'

!

'.~ ' ~J

11

I

.

80%

I

,' . ' ,.

60 %

. ... -,

.,. ~' ... ,. ~

~

.

llljlfl,Ver, Satisfied

I

&gt;

24

~--- .. ·- --· ..~· -- ___J
40%

40%

47

20%

21
0%

Johnson Fiold {blll&lt;a!b•Uoawt. b&gt;slll»U

N~lure w,alk

Penny Park:

di!lftorn:I. pl&gt;yground equiplftent)

Question 8. How often do you use the following parks?
Johnson Field and the nature walk are rarely used by survey
respondents. Penny Park is used most often, with about 55%
of respondents indicating that they "sometimes" or "often"
use that park.

JMM-Oft Field (lwketb&gt;ll ... ~. bneboll
dillfflon&lt;I, piay1jround equipment)

N.111.1r.t wa·lk

Question 9. How satisfied are you with the following
parks? Responses in question 9 included significant
numbers of neutral answers for Johnson Field and the nature walk, reflecting the low levels of usage indicated in Question
8. Penny Park, the most frequently used Village park, had
58% positive responses.

10

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Question 1O. In your opinion, how important
is the development or enhancement of the
following types of recreation in Eastlake? As
might be expected from the higher usage rates
indicated for Penny Park, fishing access and
boating access were considered to be important
by a clear majority of respondents (91 % and 86%
respectively). Support for improving or enhancing
other types of recreation was more lukewarm,
with responses ranging from 46% to 68% support
for activities such as universal accessibility
features, athletic courts, and playground
equipment. Snowmobile/ORV usage of streets
and trails had a nearly equal amounts of positive
and negative responses, showing some level of
divided opinion over these activities.

�Would you suppadlaefalCMing ~ lo Village .-b?
Not s ure c;:::J Yes
Other improvements -please
c:;J No

Question 11. Would you support the
following improvements to Village
parks? Improvements to boating, camping,
and fishing at Penny Park had the greatest
amount of positive responses, with 78%
answering that they would support these
activities. The high level of support for
Penny Park improvements - including 70%
support for dredging the canal for dock
installation and 63% support for restroom
improvements - reflects the greater usage
rates at this park along with the high level of
importance assigned to fishing and boating
access.

specify in Part5, Additional
Comments
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:Penny Park

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�Wouldyousupportusingthefalolllingtypes d b d n g f a r ~ '-WlaaelBlm md1a.ealion?
[:=J No

Not Sure

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Other- pleasespecify in
Part5, Additl onal Comments

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Grants

Village general fund

M illa3i!

Pri~ate foundaticin grants or

donations

13

Question 12. Would you support using the
following types of funding for Improvements
to VIiiage parks and recreation? Most
respondents would support using grants or
donations for recreation improvements, while a
slight majority (56%) would oppose the use of a
millage. Support for the use of the Village general
fund for recreation improvements was split.

�Part 4. Demographic Information.
As noted, the survey asked general demographic questions relative to age, residency, and property ownership. Questions were also asked regarding
computer/Internet access and whether respondents would access Village ordinances or other information online. 70% answered that they do have Internet
access, and of those, 76% would access Village information online if it was available.

Part 5. General Comments
Over half of the participants provided additional comments (35). 17 provided names and/or contact information. Comments relative to the master plan or
recreation plan processes addressed issues including:
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•
•

Mobile homes
Fundraising
Recreation opportunities
Ordinance enforcement
Convenience store
Junk cars/general junk and maintenance issues
Village hall
High speed internet
A number of comments addressed specific recreation improvements, including:
o Dredge Penny Park canal
o Install a "Bell Park"
o Skating rink
o Reduced camping rates for Village residents
o Cut recreation
o Improve area west of Johnson Field with bench and handicap access
o Clear out woods for junior area at Johnson field
o Develop bayou into marina
o Pier heads and breakwaters to provide a harbor entry into the bayou
o Nature walk needs maintenance and better signage

There were also a number of comments relative to community service issues. About 9 comments were related to fire department issues, and about 8 comments
addressed issues with Village maintenance - plowing in particular.
•
Penny Park waste issues
• SEV
•
Enforcement of speed limits and dog leash laws
• Access to jobs
•
Leaf dump access
• Snowmobile ordinance/enforcement of speed limits

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(00:00:12) Early Life
-Born on a farm in Ottawa County, Michigan on May 27, 1920
-He grew up on the farm that he was raised on
-Attended Hudsonville High School and graduated from there in 1937
-His neighbor had a plane and flew it over the farms which introduced him to flying
-In high school he learned about bookkeeping, so he could manage the farm’s finances
-Learned that the family farm was losing money and wanted to leave
-His neighbor got him a job at Kent County Airport (now Gerald R. Ford International Airport)
-He worked for Pennsylvania Airlines
-Paid $5 per week
-Lived in a room in a hangar owned by Pennsylvania Airlines
-Sometimes he would sit in the manager’s office after hours and directed flights
-Stayed at the airport for nine months
-He quit after a flight from Chicago arrived that had a cabin covered in vomit
-All of the passengers had gotten airsick over Lake Michigan
-It was his job to clean up the sick, he refused and left
(00:03:35) Enlisting in the Navy
-After leaving the airport he decided to enlist in the Navy
-It was his first choice among the branches at the time (Navy, Army and Marines)
-He wanted to see the world and decided the Navy would be the best way
-He went to the recruiting center in Grand Rapids, Michigan
-Given a brief, rudimentary physical there
-He went to the recruiter in the spring of 1938 and it took until October 1938 to get accepted
-Over the summer he had five separate physicals to see if he was acceptable
(00:04:31) Basic Training
-He was sent to Newport, Rhode Island for basic training
-Home of the Navy War College
-His enlistment was for four years
-During training if you received five hundred demerits you would get kicked out of training
-By the time he was done with training he had received only eighty four
-In basic training he received rifle training
-Learned how to properly maintain a rifle
-In the morning instructors would inspect the rifle to see if it was maintained properly
-If you didn’t maintain your rifle you would get demerits
-They were working with the Springfield 1903 bolt action rifle from WWI
-Basic training lasted five months
-The focus during basic training was on military etiquette and history
-Because of his height he was initially selected to be a standard bearer for the Navy
-The New York World’s Fair was coming and he was to be a part

�-He didn’t want to be in that because afterwards he’d be a seaman first class
-He didn’t want to be a seaman; he wanted to be a machinist, so he was reassigned
(00:07:31) Machinist Training
-He was sent to Norfolk, Virginia for machinist mate school
-He wanted to work in the engine room of a ship and work with machines
-He’d had prior mechanical experience at the airport
-He received sheet metal work, lathe, and milling machine training
(00:09:40) Volunteering for the Pacific Fleet
-After graduating from machinist training he was offered a choice on which fleet to join
-At the time the two major fleets were the Pacific and Atlantic Fleets
-He chose the Pacific Fleet for his assignment
-He chose it because you were given thirty days to get to San Diego, California
-Acted as a sort of leave
-When he arrived in San Diego he was put on a work detail
-Their job was to refurbish American ships [Lend-Lease destroyers] to be given to the
British Navy
-They worked from 8 AM sharp to 12 PM sharp; no breaks, no exceptions
-He stayed on the work detail for seventy nine days until he asked for reassignment
-He had gotten sick of the regimen of that schedule
(00:11:30) Volunteering for the Asiatic Fleet
-To get out of the work detail in San Diego he volunteered to join the Asiatic Fleet
-The first ship he was assigned to was the USS Henderson
-An old WWI transport still used as a transport to get troops around the Pacific
-He got seasick on the Henderson
-His job onboard was to clean the toilets which only made his seasickness worse
-It took him two months to finally get used to being on the ocean
-Onboard the Henderson they travelled the West Coast and through the Pacific
-Transporting troops for their fleet deployments
(00:13:57) Overview of Pre-War Pacific Travel
-He sailed to Honolulu, Hawaii first
-After Honolulu he sailed to Guam
-From Guam he sailed to Manila, Philippines
-Before the war Manila was a beautiful city
-It stank like horse manure, but it had beautiful Spanish architecture
-He remembers going to the old Spanish fort and drinking beer
-From the Philippines he went to China
-In China he sailed up and down the Chinese coast stopping at ports along the way
-During his sailing around China he got a chance to see the Great Wall
(00:16:00) Assignment to the USS Barker
-When he was in Manila he was assigned to a destroyer
-He was assigned to the USS Barker DD 213
-It felt like riding a speedboat because it could travel at 45 knots (roughly 52 mph)
-This is the destroyer that he sailed around China on
-He boarded the Barker on January 1, 1940
-The Asiatic Fleet’s task was to protect American interests in Southeast Asia
-The Japanese had already taken over the Chinese coast by this time

�-When they were in ports controlled by Japan, Japanese planes would buzz their ship
(00:19:17) Going to China
-When he was in China he noticed that the Japanese soldiers largely avoided American troops
-When he was in China he had a tailored suit made for him
-When he went to pay the tailor requested American, or Mexican, currency
-When he was in a port a Chinese woman was bayoneted to death by a Japanese soldier
-She was caught with American money
-In China Americans were safe from harm from the Japanese
-Oddly enough Japanese soldiers were actually quite friendly towards Americans
-One time he had to move through a crowd and a Japanese officer escorted him
-The officer accomplished this by intimidating the crowd with a sword
-When they stopped at the northernmost port they went to the nearby American Marine base
-Marines would allow Chinese civilians to collect bullet casings from the firing range
-The civilians would then use the casings to make money
-In China he got to visit the American Embassy in Peking (now called Beijing)
-Spent a week there
-In the capital the Japanese soldiers were everywhere
-A Japanese machine gunner was stationed just outside the Embassy
-In Peking he had a personal rickshaw driver
-He noticed that all across China people were starving
-In Peking there was a “wailing wall” where loved ones put their dying/dead family
-At the time Hong Kong was still controlled by the British
-He made friends with a few British soldiers and visited their base
-The police in Hong Kong were Sikhs from India
-He saw hundreds of child prostitutes working the street in Hong Kong
(00:28:12) French Indochina
-From China they sailed down to French Indochina (modern day Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos)
-They stopped in Haiphong (now in modern northern Vietnam)
-Found the city unimpressive
-At the time the region was still controlled by France
-This places the arrival there sometime in the summer of 1940 prior to September
(00:29:39) Start of the War
-Prior to the war he, and most other enlisted men, didn’t believe the U.S. would get involved
-Officers recognized that there was a chance of involvement, but unlikely
-They believed that if Japan attacked, Japan would be defeated in six weeks
-Early in the Pacific War this was proven wrong with the loss of two major ships
-The Barker was in Tarakan, Borneo, Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) on December 7, 1941
-Received news of the attack on Pearl Harbor while they were in port there
-They were with the destroyers the USS Houston and the USS Marblehead
(00:32:53) First Contacts with the Japanese in the Dutch East Indies
-Their first contact with the Japanese was in the Dutch East Indies
-They were part of a coalition of American, British, Australian, and Dutch ships in the area
-On the north side of Borneo they ran into two Japanese destroyers
-Strangely enough the Japanese destroyers didn’t fire on them
-At the time the Barker was not outfitted with radar
-In early 1942 the USS Houston (one of the other American ships in the area) was sunk

�-It had been in the Battle of Sunda Strait (the strait between Java and Sumatra)
-When they were in the Banka Strait they were attacked by low flying Japanese planes
-They were able to successfully repel the attack though
-Shortly after the Battle of Sunda Strait the Dutch East Indies fell to Japan in March 1942
(00:36:27) Australia
-When the Dutch East Indies fell the Barker was in Australia receiving repairs
-Their first stop was in Port Darwin to join the USS Perry there
-They rescued a sailor from the USS Perry who had been blown off the ship
-They sailed down the western coast of Australia and stopped in Exmouth Gulf
-Remembers that the waters there were full of sharks
-The Barker continued on and stopped in Perth until Australia reinforcements arrived there
-While they were in Fremantle a Dutch freighter’s crew mutinied
-A Dutch sailor tried to get onto the Barker, but was scared off
-As he ran away an Australian marine shot and killed the sailor
-After leaving Fremantle they sailed along the southern coast with four other destroyers
-On the way they stopped in Melbourne
-From Melbourne they sailed to Sydney and on the way there they stopped in Adelaide
-By now it was the summer of 1942
(00:41:22) Mission in the Pacific
-Their main mission in the Pacific was to help escort convoys and attack Japanese submarines
-During convoy escorts Japanese submarines were rarely a threat
-In later summer 1942 the Barker went to Pearl Harbor
-After Pearl Harbor they were placed on the “Pineapple Run”
-Escorting convoys from San Francisco, California to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii
(00:43:02) Atlantic Duty
-In early 1943 the Barker crossed the Panama Canal and entered duty in the Atlantic Ocean
-While in the Atlantic he remembers sinking two German U-Boats
-They received credit because they captured at least one surviving prisoner from each
-They made a few trips across the Atlantic
-One of the trips was escorting a French ship from Connecticut to Casablanca
-Another trip involved escorting a French aircraft carrier from Martinique to Casablanca
-In 1943 there was still a high presence of U-Boats in the Atlantic
-As a result they were made part of a hunter-killer task force sent out to hunt U-Boats
-In the Atlantic they would stop in the Azores Islands controlled by Portugal
-Portugal was neutral in the war
-On the west side U-Boats would refuel and on the other side there were Allied ships
-The Barker was instructed to attack U-Boats once they entered international waters
-They were never able to catch the U-Boats once they left though
(00:47:15) Reassignment to the USS Henry R. Kenyon
-In 1943 he was reassigned to a destroyer escort
-Prior to boarding the new ship he received training on the new propulsion system
-It was incredibly rigorous because it was six months of school condensed to one month
-The ship that he was reassigned to was the USS Henry R. Kenyon
-He arrived at the shipyard in Quincy, Massachusetts to board the ship
-Construction hadn’t even started yet
-On top of that his record wasn’t in yet either

�-Because of not having his record he was given a ten day leave
-Returned and construction still wasn’t done so he was given another ten days
-He wound up doing this three times before the ship was ready
-It took thirty days for the Kenyon to be launched and another thirty to be commissioned
-Construction began September 29, 1943 and it was commissioned November 30, 1943
-Their first destination was Bermuda
(00:50:32) Crew and Conditions on the USS Henry R. Kenyon
-Some of the crewmen came from rich families and didn’t want to go to sea
-None of them wound up being truly qualified which put him in charge
-One propulsion mechanism had been put in wrong and he had to fix it
-The propulsion system on the Kenyon was more up to date and ran cleaner and more efficiently
-As opposed to the older ships which ran on diesel and were filthy
-He was placed in charge of the men in his section based on his experience
-Only five enlisted men onboard had been to sea before (him being one of them)
-The officers they had were largely inexperienced and needed direction from the veterans
(00:55:47) Atlantic Duty aboard the USS Henry R. Kenyon
-Their primary duty in the Atlantic was to escort convoys in the Caribbean Sea
-They usually operated between Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and Recife, Brazil
-Once they completed their duty in the Atlantic they were sent through the Panama Canal
(00:56:19) Returning to the Pacific aboard the Kenyon
-Their first destination was Bora Bora part of French Polynesia
-They had to travel from the Galapagos Islands to Bora Bora
-The officer in the engine room needed Jack’s direction to figure out the fuel needed
-Specifically the fuel needed to insure they reached Bora Bora
-From Bora Bora they travelled to Manus, Admiralty Islands
-From Manus they traveled to Hollandia, New Guinea
-Aboard the Kenyon they tended to act independently in the Pacific
-Escorting convoys, laying mines, and hunting Japanese submarines
-They depth charged a fair amount of submarines, but never received credit for their kills
-They were never able to recover a live prisoner, so it couldn’t be confirmed
-When they were operating in the Pacific they never encountered any Japanese aircraft
(01:00:45) Operating in Okinawa
-From the Philippines they traveled to Okinawa
-Arrived in Buckner Bay, Okinawa and set down anchor there
-While they were in Okinawa he was placed on deck watch from midnight to 8 AM
-Unorthodox considering that his position as a machinist usually kept him below decks
-While on deck watch one morning he witnessed a kamikaze attack
-The harbor laid down a smokescreen which rendered the attack useless
-In Okinawa he would watch B-24 bombers return from bombing missions heavily damaged
(01:03:20) Returning to the Philippines
-When the Philippines were liberated he was able to return and see Manila again
-By now the city had been ruined from the fighting
-Considered it a tragedy because it had been a beautiful city before the war
-He learned to fly while he was in the Philippines through a man named Pappy Gunn
-He had begun to learn when he was in Michigan, but never completed his lessons
-Once in the Philippines he completed his private flight training

�-The man he learned from played an instrumental role in Allied victory in the Pacific
(01:09:20) End of the War, Coming Home and Life after the War
-He was in Subic Bay, Philippines when the war ended
-He remembers an ammunition ship in the Bay firing rockets in celebration
-When he returned home he went deer hunting with his father and his friends
-He returned home in November 1945
-Note: Most likely December 1945 because that’s when the Kenyon returned to the U.S.
-After the war he got a job shoveling coal for the Pennsylvania Railroad
-Worked there for five years and decided to quit
-Learned that they were switching from coal to diesel and decided to say
-Made a career in the railroad and stayed with it for thirty five years
(01:11:16) The Tonga Islands and Christmas Day
-While on the USS Barker they stopped in the Tonga Islands
-While stopping there they got to meet the islands’ four hundred pound queen
-She was invited onboard for a dinner
-When she left he made an effort to help her onto the boat to bring her back
-As a result he wound up beneath her and his head went up her skirt
-Also aboard the Barker they stopped in Sumbawa Island on Christmas Day 1941
-Just as they got ready to eat dinner a four engine bomber approached
-In a panic they thought it was a Japanese bomber coming to attack
-Turned out that it was a New Zealand bomber
(01:14:22) Reflections on Service
-He enjoyed his time in the Navy, even the wartime experiences that he had
-Amazed at how people reacted in dangerous situations
-Astounded that at the beginning of the war they had been expected to fight with WWI weapons
-He always felt that the Barker had been a good ship, but outdated nonetheless
-For example: in rough seas rivets would pop out making the ships susceptible to sinking

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                    <text>Grand Valley State University
Veterans History Project Interview
Iraq
Christopher Notestine
Total Time (00:52:44)
Introduction (00:00:09)



Christopher was born in Charlevoix County, Michigan on July 26th, 1980 (00:00:21)
He has a younger brother and grew up with both parents and comments it was a “white picket
fence” type of family (00:00:55)
◦ Christopher had no major motivation to join the Army as he just drove by the recruiting
office one day and thought that's where he wanted his life to go (00:01:21)
◦ He worked as a roofer before he started basic training at the age of 19 (00:02:06)
◦ Christopher did his basic training at Ft. Benning in Georgia and trained as 11 Bravo
(Infantry) (00:03:15)
▪ After AIT and basic training, he showed a knack for weapons and did a few more weeks
of additional training in Dragon and Javelin weapons systems (00:05:26)
▪ Christopher spent a few weeks at home and then headed out to Ft. Lewis in Washington
(00:06:35)
▪ He was part of the 2nd Battalion 23rd Infantry that worked with Stryker vehicles
(00:07:04)
▪ His unit was originally decommissioned; eventually they became recommissioned and
became the 23rd Infantry Stryker Combat Team (00:09:16)
 His units did hard training as they wanted to get the units up and running- they
trained in Yakima, Washington at high altitudes; this was all prior to the September
11th, 2001 attacks (00:11:09)
 They went to JRTC Ft. Polk, Louisiana for about a month and then to NTC in Ft.
Irwin, California (00:11:40)
 The attacks of September 11th occurred right before he left for Louisiana and
California while he was in Washington (00:11:57)
◦ Christopher was told he was going to train before heading overseas- he didn't
have a clue where he would be heading at the time though- about eight months
later Christopher and his unit were in Iraq (00:13:54)
◦ At the time he remembers he and his unit being gung-ho about getting revenge
for what had happened- even though he comments now that he didn't know what
was going on then and just wanted to go do something because Americans were
killed (00:14:28)
▪ In preparation to go to Iraq, there was physical and mental testing done- he
said they just went and jumped on a plane and left as they didn't have any
plans and then just went to war (00:15:36)

Deployment in Iraq (00:15:58)
 Christopher and his unit landed in Kuwait and went to a base just south of the border of Iraq
and waited there for about a week for their vehicles to get there (00:16:02)
 It was October of 2003 and very hot- weather in triple digit degrees (00:16:28)

�◦ After the vehicles showed up he mentions the Army figured out their vehicles weren't RPG
proof so they had to rework the vehicles which took a couple days (00:17:36)
◦ He describes the process of moving north towards Iraq as they witnessed chaos and mayhem
and didn't really have any guidelines on how to deal with it all- they didn't stop because of
IED's (00:18:24)
▪ One of the first bases Christopher went to was Anaconda- “it was horrible” he comments
while he laughs about it (00:20:43)
▪ The living situation was pretty bad at the camp so they slept in their trucks for about a
month (00:21:24)
 One of the Stryker units' duties was to be the first group there after a base had been
mortared- he says that the mortars were hit and they'd be out the gate before anyone
called them out there (00:23:09)
 nine out of ten times they wouldn't be able to catch who was mortaring them but if
they did catch them, they would (00:24:11)
◦ Christopher mentions there was all types of ethnicities and genders represented
in his unit- he says he thinks every unit in the Army is like that (00:26:08)
◦ He jokes that tires were their best technology in detecting IED's (00:27:39)
▪ A lot of the raids he was involved with dealt with insurgents who were
weapons dealers- a lot of the time there wasn't anything there (00:29:14)
▪ The nature of the fighting stayed the same as he mentions Saddam Hussein's
forces used mortars and the insurgents or other people that didn't want the
United States there used IED's- all the action was jumbled together
(00:32:19)
▪ After they spent about nine-ten months in Mosul, Iraq, they showed the next
group of soldiers what they did and advised them on what to do; they handed
over their Strykers and were shipped out Diamondback Airfield across the
Tigris River (00:33:16)
 On the way to Diamondback, one of their C130 planes got hit and had to
do an emergency landing between their and Kuwait (00:34:31)
Back to the United States (00:35:10)
 The homecoming process was very long as Christopher just wanted to see his family but had to
go through and be 100% accountable to the Army and their check-ins (00:35:30)
 Christopher and his unit got about a month's time worth of leave (00:37:52)
◦ He got married a few months before he deployed and had the wedding ceremony when he
returned from Iraq (00:38:59)
▪ Christopher was injured in Iraq by an IED and couldn't do infantry anymore; he didn't
feel his service was complete- he joined the National Guard and came to the 1434th
Engineer unit out of Grayling, Michigan and has been there since 2005 (00:40:25)
▪ Christopher gets the impression that the Iraqi's don't really care to change their ways and
it angers him that the United States is still there and not much has happened although he
acknowledges he's sure not everyone is like that (00:41:34)
Back to Iraq (00:42:36)
 Christopher and his unit were doing construction missions on his 2nd deployment to Iraq; they
would go out to certain bases and build police stations or army style barracks for the local
police (00:43:05)

�

He was deployed for eight months with few additional months of training (00:44:06)
◦ His unit went through specialized combat training but Christopher didn't have to because he
was previously in the Army; they trained at Ft. McCoy in Wisconsin for about a month or so
(00:44:35)
◦ If his unit needed anything he was the go-to guy for fixing things (00:46:51)
◦ The timeframe for his deployment was 2009-2010 (00:47:37)

Back to the United States (00:48:16)
 The homecoming the 2nd time around was in Grayling, Michigan and was a lot different: there
was not much checking in with the National Guard and they saw their families and friends
immediately (00:48:37)
 He mentions he didn't do a darn thing for about three weeks after he got home from Iraq
(00:49:44)
◦ He went back to work for the National Guard; he had to go to Wisconsin to do inventory
(00:50:32)
◦ Christopher and his unit went to El Salvador; they built four or five school houses for kids
but they spent several million dollars- he says it would have been cheaper to contract it out
(00:51:42)

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Length: 30:35
Chester Joe Novak
WWII and Korean War veteran
United States Air Force; February 1944 – 1952
Pacific – Aleutian Islands; Korea
(0:00) Before grade school
• Born in Bay County, MI in 1927
• Dad was a farmer
• Mom worked on the farm too
• 1 brother, no sisters
(1:49) School
• Went to school in Williams Township
o 1 room school house
o Would draw names to find out who was responsible for keeping the fire
going
o Would have to stand in the corner if misbehaved
• At recess played softball, crack the whip, marbles
• Never went to high school
• Stopped school in the 6th grade to work on the farm
o Had a 120 acre farm
o Grew at lot of crops for the canneries (“truck farm”)
 Tomatoes, pickles, squash, beans, etc.
o Dad had a 1929 Chevy truck that they used to take their produce to the
farmer’s market
o Novak learned to drive at 12 year old
(5:58) WWII (before drafted)
• Ate well because lived on a farm
• Traded a lot for gasoline
(7:01) Army
• Joined the Army at 15 years old but somebody told on him that he was too young
so left the Army and then was drafted into the Air Force in 1943 or 1944
(7:47) The draft
• Drafted in Bay County and sent to El Paso, TX for basic training
o El Paso was easier for him than for many others because didn’t have other
commitments like a wife or kids
o Got $25/month
o Had a lot of fun the first 2 years
• Sent to South Dakota for gunner school on the P51 planes [ed. Note: P-51s
(Mustangs) were single seat fighter planes, and did not have gunners]
• Sent to the Aleutian Islands
(12:28) Aleutian Islands
• Novak became a supply sergeant

�•
•
•

Flew P51 as gunner
Never in any battles but did meet Japanese planes
Job as a gunner was to take out the gunnery turrets that were on the mountain
sides
• Met the people on the islands and they were very friendly
(15:34) VJ Day
• On Adak Island (Alaska) fishing; heard the news from a local fisherman
• Became one big week long party
(16:48) After WWII
• Stayed in the service
• Sent to Korea and was a gunner on a jet plane
o Had to go to New Brunswick, NJ for training
(19:02) POW
• Plane got shot down
• He and pilot rode plane down, told Lieutenant to run on without him because
Novak was injured and couldn’t run
• Novak turned self in
o Sent to one of the Korean houses in the area, knocked on the door and
turned in his gun
o Stayed there for 2 weeks and was treated very well
o Found a few weeks later and taken to a prison camp where he stayed 17
months
 Only given rice
 Picked up garbage and just sat in camp
 When released, went back to SD then back to MI
(22:08) Marriage
• Was married to Patricia for 36 years before she passed away
• Met Patricia when she was working in a restaurant up in Bay County
• She had a heart attack and Novak took her to Cleveland Medical Clinic in OH but
wouldn’t admit her because Novak didn’t have enough money
o Novak went back and sold everything – the farm, his dog, etc. – so that
she would be admitted
• He and his adopted son, Sam, stayed in motel across the street from the hospital
• Wife survived and the whole family moved down to Mississippi so as to get out
of the cold weather
• Novak bought a shrimp boat and was a shrimper for 22 years
(26:06) Shrimping
• Drag net behind the boat
• Could get anywhere from 1 pound to 1000 pounds of shrimp
• Paid well; made a good living
• Rode out a couple of hurricanes
• Had three workers helping him
• Would often make 10 day trips 40-60 miles from shore; would return just as all
the ice had melted
• Wife owned a restaurant called Jody’s Truck Stop

�(30:53) Final thoughts
• Life was changed by the service
• Would still be a farmer otherwise
• Has 8 grandkids

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Raymond Novakoski
Vietnam War Era – Stateside Service
43 minutes 3 seconds
(00:00:40) Early Life
-Born on January 25, 1951 in Grand Rapids, Michigan
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(00:03:02) Vietnam War Pt. 1
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(00:03:42) Enlisting in the Navy Reserve
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-Told he could serve as a hospital corpsman
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-Received his draft notice after enlisting in the Navy Reserve
-Went to his recruiter who took care of the problem
-Enlisted in August 1970
(00:06:33) Basic Training
-Went to the Navy Reserve Center in Grand Rapids prior to basic training
-Received uniforms and stenciled his name and serial number on them
-In the fall of 1970 he went to Great Lakes Naval Station, Illinois, for basic training
-Received two weeks of basic training
-Shorter than the standard eight weeks of basic training
-Navy Reserve basic training was more relaxed than regular Navy basic training
-Quartered in clean barracks
-Had a fixed schedule
-Stood watch at night, folded clothes, and made his bed aside from training
-Learned to work as a team
-Introduced to military discipline
-Taught to think of himself as a part of a group
-Remembers a few minor instances of hazing and drill instructors yelling at recruits
-Not as intense as in the Army or the Marines though
(00:10:42) Corpsman Training

�-Received two weeks of Corpsman Training at the Great Lakes Naval Station Hospital
-Got accustomed to working in a hospital
-Remembers helping a Vietnam War veteran that was at the hospital with a chest wound
-Changed his dressings and talked to him about his family
-Never experienced hostility for being a Reservist
(00:13:09) Reserve Service in Grand Rapids
-Returned to Grand Rapids after training and checked in with the Navy Reserve Center
-Reported to the Reserve Center once a month for a year
-Served with regular people
-His dentist was in the Navy Reserve
-Worked with him on dental checks
-Most of the Reservists were younger men
-Worked odd jobs in Grand Rapids until he was called up for active duty
(00:15:30) Corps School
-Active duty started on August 22, 1971
-Went to San Diego for Corps School at the naval hospital
-Arrived early and was sent to a holding base on 32nd Street in San Diego
-Placed in a barracks and someone stole his shoes
-Stayed there for three or four weeks
-Spent a lot of time doing nothing, but sometimes helped in the sick bay
-Corps School started in September 1971
-Assigned to a barracks near the naval hospital
-Learned how to draw blood, give shots, and conduct first aid
-Had a recreation center and Balboa Park near the naval hospital
-Able to go to downtown San Diego
-More freedom than when he was in basic training
-Only had to report for classes in the morning then had the nights to himself
-Practiced giving shots to each other
-Corps School lasted from September 1971 to the end of January 1972
(00:20:25) Stationed at Naval Air Station Pensacola
-Given two options: receive a random assignment, or pick your destination
-If you picked your destination you had to pay your own way to get there
-He selected Key West, Florida; Pensacola, Florida; or Memphis, Tennessee
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-Returned to Grand Rapids for a few days
-Drove down to NAS Pensacola
-Had a hospital and barracks
-NAS Pensacola largely functioned as a training base for naval aviators
-Worked at a ward in the hospital and worked in the emergency room a few nights
-Eventually went to work in the front office of the hospital
-Became a driver for a captain
-Completed his time at NAS Pensacola by working in the Ear, Nose, and Throat clinic
-Didn't get too many Vietnam War veterans at the hospital
-Mostly treated Navy retirees and personnel dependents (spouses and children)
-Did end of life care and stabilized retirees before they went to Bethesda Naval Hospital
-Brought a woman to the hospital so she could deliver her baby
(00:25:17) Civilian Community of Pensacola
-Community enjoyed the Navy's presence
-Provided opportunities for the community

�-A lot of people lived in Pensacola that had served in the Navy
-Didn't experience any hostility from the civilian community in Pensacola
(00:26:04) Morale at NAS Pensacola
-Good morale at NAS Pensacola
-Personnel felt safe and appreciative that they could serve at NAS Pensacola
-Enjoyed helping active duty personnel and retirees
-Majority of men did their jobs and did it well
(00:27:14) Vietnam War Pt. 2
-Community was stable in Pensacola
-Anti-war and racial tensions weren't problematic at NAS Pensacola or in the city
-Heard some racist sentiments off-base, but nothing extreme
(00:28:27) Medical Work at NAS Pensacola
-Remembers treating an older man
-Pumped cold water into his stomach to help stop the bleeding
-Gave morphine to keep him comfortable until he died
-Remembers treating one younger man with leukemia
(00:29:34) Driving for the Captain
-Driving for the captain was relatively easy
-Only asked that Raymond opened the door for him and washed the car daily
-Remembers driving the captain and an admiral to meetings
-Once he dropped them off all he had to do was wait outside
(00:30:18) Ear, Nose, and Throat Ward
-Enjoyed working in the Ear, Nose, and Throat Ward
-Assisted doctors with procedures
-Helped with the removal of adenoids and tonsils
-Mostly treated the children of naval personnel
-Some personnel needed their tonsils removed
-One man had cancer on his ear and had to have it removed
-Helped create a prosthetic for the man
(00:33:20) End of Active Duty
-Did two years of active duty and had four years of Reserve obligation
-Military downsized in the 1970s, especially after American involvement in Vietnam ended in 1973
-Prompted to reenlist
-Offered benefits
-He wanted to stay at NAS Pensacola and continue his work as a hospital corpsman
-Told he couldn't do that if he reenlisted, which prompted him to get out of active duty
-Active duty ended on August 21, 1973
-Returned to Grand Rapids, Michigan
(00:36:30) Life after Active Duty
-Got married before enlisting
-After active duty he got a job at General Motors through his mother-in-law
-Started working there in September 1973 and got laid off in January 1974
-Took a test at the Post Office and got a job through the United States Postal Service
-Got a job as a clerk
-Daughter was born in February 1974
-Stayed with the United States Postal Service for 30 years
(00:38:30) Reflections on Service Pt. 1
-Taught him teamwork
-Learned how to be organized

�-Realized that he needed to follow orders and laws even if they didn't make sense
-Better for society if he followed orders and laws
(00:39:23) Reserve Service after Active Duty
-Did two years of active reserve service and one year of inactive reserve service
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-Inactive reserve: Training was optional
-Learned that if he signed up for two weeks at the end of the fiscal year he wouldn't have to go
-First year of active reserve he went to Groton, Connecticut for his two weeks of training
-Brought his wife and daughter with him
-Worked in the sickbay at the hospital
-Second year of active reserve he didn't have to do two weeks of training
-During inactive reserve he opted out of training
(00:41:36) Reflections on Service Pt. 2
-Felt he fulfilled his service obligation and did what he had to do
-Impacted his life in a positive way and hopes that he had a positive impact on others
(00:42:13) Veterans' Groups
-Was part of American Legion Post 258 in Grand Rapids
-Served as the financial officer, 2nd vice commander, 1st vice commander
-Served as post commander for one year
-Transferred to American Legion Post 459
-Part of the United Veterans Council
-Served as the adjutant and as a senior vice commander

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                    <text>Young Lords
In Lincoln Park
Interviewee: Felícitas Nuñez
Interviewers: José “Cha-Cha” Jiménez
Location: Grand Valley State University Special Collections
Date: 8/25/2012

Biography and Description
Felícitas Nuñez lives in Bermuda Dunes, California. She and Delia Ravelo are co-founders of Teatro de Las
Chicanas. The concept began when women of Movimiento Estudíantil Chicano de Aztlán (MEChA)
brought their mothers to a university setting. There they organized a “Seminario de Chicanas” so that
the mothers could understand what their daughters were going through. They wrote and performed
“Chicana Goes to College.” And as a result of the audience’s positive response, Ms. Nuñez and Ms.
Ravelo formed the Teatro de Las Chicanas. In the beginning years the core group consisted of just Ms.
Ravelo and Ms. Nuñez, but many young women participated in the Teatro. Though working in San Diego,
they were influenced by the leftist political ideals of the San Francisco Mime Troupe. They also united
with the objectives of the Chicano Movement which included, among other things, social justice,
bilingual education, and unionization. It also went further to address women’s equality. Several of the
plays written and performed by the Teatro as well as the memories of their core members have been
published in Teatro Chicana: A Collective Memoir and Selected Plays (2008). Most of the women who
joined the Teatro came from farming towns throughout California and most of them were the first of
their families to attend college. Around the early part of June 1969, Ms. Nuñez traveled to Chicago and
met with the Young Lords who were transforming themselves from a local Puerto Rican gang into a
human rights movement. One month earlier, the Young Lords had occupied the administration building

�of McCormick Theological Seminary (today on the campus of DePaul University) with 350 neighborhood
residents and held it for an entire week. The Young Lords won all their demands, including $50,000 seed
money for two free health clinics, $25,000 to open up the People’s Law Office which still operates today,
and $650,000 to be invested by the seminary in low-income housing. One week earlier, the Young Lords
had occupied a huge United Methodist Church on Dayton and Armitage, which they were in the process
of transforming to become the Young Lords National Headquarters. The church would also house their
Free Community Day Care Center, Free Dental and Health Clinic, and Free Breakfast for Children
Program. All these programs were modeled after the Black Panther Party programs, of which the Young
Lords had recently also connected via Fred Hampton’s Rainbow Coalition that Field Marshall Bobby Lee
had also helped to broker. After the take-over of the church, the Young Lords quickly made amends.
They did not want to disrupt any church service. When asked by the press if the Young Lords were going
to allow the church to hold service, Mr. Jiménez quickly responded, “that it was not really a take over as
the doors were now open to everyone, and that he and other Young Lords were planning on attending
the services, being led by Rev. Bruce Johnson.” Some members of the congregation left but the Young
Lords started meetings with the rest of the congregation, and together they designed the People’s
Church symbol and produced a button that showed chains being broken. The Young Lords were cleaning
up the church and adding needed paint when Ms. Nuñez arrived and volunteered to organize a group of
muralists. Inside the church, Ron Clark and others were painting a mural of Puerto Rican history in the
gymnasium. Outside, Ms. Nuñez’s group painted the Young Lords symbol of ”Tengo Puerto Rico En Mi
Corazón” or “I have Puerto Rico in my Heart.” This lettering was in purple, with a green map of Puerto
Rico, and a brown fist holding a rifle. (It had been designed by Ralph “Spaghetti” Rivera and Mr. Jiménez.
The first buttons were printed at the Green Duc Button Company at Lake Street and Halsted). Other
murals that Ms. Nuñez and her volunteers painted on the church walls were images of Adelita, Emiliano
Zapata, Lolita Lebrón, and Don Pedro Albizu Campos. Someone else, probably Ron Clark, painted Che
Guevara by the side entrance to the office, with the lettering “Young Lords National Headquarters.”
These wonderful murals could not be overlooked in Lincoln Park. Not only were they featured in the
news, but Lincoln Park residents would drive by and stop in to see the various programs and activities,
making People’s Church the center of the Lincoln Park neighborhood. By then most Puerto Ricans had
been forced out of Lincoln Park and there was also plenty of room for others to join the Young Lords
Movement. Hispanos representing all Latino nations joined the Young Lords, including members of other
minorities, middle class individuals, workers, the very poor, and students. The Lincoln Park Poor People’s
Coalition was formed and Mr. Jiménez was voted president. The Northside Cooperative Ministry, of
which Rev. Bruce Johnson was a prominent member, was also established during this period, and it
supported the Poor People’s Coalition and the Young Lords. Just sixty days before Mark Clark and Fred
Hampton were shot to death, assassinated in a predawn raid led by State’s attorney Edward Hanrahan,
Rev. Bruce Johnson and his wife Eugenia were also discovered in their beds stabbed multiple times, in a
cold case that remains unsolved. The Eulogy was given at the church with Young Lords fully
participating, providing security and traffic control. There was also a spontaneous march through the
Lincoln Park Community where Rev. Bruce Johnson worked with the poor. Ms. Nuñez left Chicago
unaware of the impact she had made in the Puerto Rican community and in Lincoln Park. The Teatro
Chicana did participate in the impromptu Lincoln Park Camp in Michigan in the 2000 and the Young
Lords 40th Anniversary celebration in Chicago in 2008.

�Transcript

JOSE JIMENEZ:

Okay, go ahead. If you can give me your name and your --

FELICITAS NUÑEZ:

Age.

JJ:

Age and where you were born.

FN:

I was born in Brawley, California; that’s very close to the Mexicali border. And I
am almost 63 years of age, and my name is Felícitas Nuñez.

JJ:

Okay, Brawley, California. Where’s that at?

FN:

It’s in Imperial Valley where you have --

JJ:

The mid part of --

FN:

It’s on the lower part of California close to the border --

JJ:

Close to the border? Okay.

FN:

-- of Mexicali.

JJ:

Okay, so somewhere --

FN:

Very, very hot weather. And when I was first born in the late ’40s, it was a very
rich cultural area in agriculture.

JJ:

In agriculture? Okay, what type of --

FN:

They had tomato, (Spanish) [00:01:00] -- I mean, just a big vegetable garden that
could feed all of California and more than that.

JJ:

Okay, so this is a rural area. So you had a farm? Did you own a farm or
[anything like the?] --

FN:

Oh, no, we worked in the farms of others who owned them. And initially when
that originated, they said that the way they started claiming the land was if you

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�could walk that land -- whatever land you walked, you could claim as your own,
and that meant everybody. But I understand that historically, what happened is
those that had horses-- specifically, you know, they were mainly Anglo people.
They got on a horse, and rode around on the horse and claimed the land. And if
they saw anybody on foot, which was mainly whoever couldn’t afford a horse,
those were shot.
JJ:

They were shot?

FN:

Uh-huh.

JJ:

To death?

FN:

Yes.

JJ:

[00:02:00] Even if they lived there, they were shot there?

FN:

Well, everybody was claiming land at that time, so I don’t know if everybody there
was recently immigrated into that land or really established. But it was a pretty
new territory because irrigation had been in full bloom, you know, and those
areas that are very dry don’t have a lot of cultivation. So when the canal system
came into existence, it had a lot of potential in them. And just like I said, it was a
vegetable garden for the whole state of California and more.

JJ:

So you said there was a canal system set up, or...?

FN:

Mm-hmm.

JJ:

How did that function? I mean, where did they --

FN:

They got the water from Río Colorado.

JJ:

Río Colorado? Okay.

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�FN:

And that’s how they started that whole irrigation process. And I understand that
that’s the way that the Salton Sea was formed because some dam broke or
something, and it filled this whole space. And they call it a man-made sea,
Salton Sea, [00:03:00] and there was a salt mine there at one time. And it went
all the way to the bottom, so the water filled everything up and became very
salty. And fish were able to thrive there at one time, but now with the pollution of
pesticides, insecticides, herbicides, everything’s been dying. And, you know,
now they’re not even having the Colorado River run through there like it used to
because water rights are being claimed privately, and so all the water that’s been
drying -- the wind picks up all of this, and everybody’s breathing this massive
pollution contamination of the water and earth.

JJ:

And what was your mother’s and father’s names?

FN:

(Spanish) [00:03:54] Felícitas [Melina?] --

JJ:

Melina?

FN:

[00:03:57] -- (Spanish) [Felino?] Nuñez. (Spanish). [00:04:00]

JJ:

(Spanish)? [00:04:13]

FN:

(Spanish). [00:04:14]

JJ:

(Spanish)? [00:04:28]

FN:

(Spanish). [00:04:29]

JJ:

(Spanish)? [00:04:32]

FN:

Uh-huh.

JJ:

So (Spanish)? [00:04:34] What was their names?

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�FN:

(Spanish) [00:04:39] Felino, Julia, Rosa, Josephina. (Spanish) [00:04:48]
[Genaro?], Fidel, Raphael, (Spanish), [00:04:52] [Teresa?].

JJ:

And what did they do? Where are they at now?

FN:

[00:04:58] (Spanish). [00:05:00]

JJ:

(Spanish). [00:05:30]

FN:

[00:05:31] (Spanish). [00:06:00]

JJ:

(Spanish) [00:06:06] -- what is that, Bracero?

FN:

Bracero? [00:06:10] (Spanish). [00:07:00]

JJ:

(Spanish)? [00:07:25]

FN:

(Spanish) [00:07:31] --

JJ:

(Spanish)? [00:07:32]

FN:

(Spanish) [00:07:33] --

JJ:

(Spanish)? [00:07:35]

FN:

(Spanish)? [00:07:40]

JJ:

(Spanish). [00:07:42]

FN:

(Spanish). [00:07:43]

JJ:

What is that?

FN:

(Spanish) [00:07:56] nurse’s aide. [00:08:00]

JJ:

Nurse’s aide? Okay.

FN:

(Spanish). [00:08:02]

JJ:

So I thought in the late ’40s, they were bringing Puerto Rican workers to some of
the vagrant camps during that time, so maybe that’s when it happened or later.

FN:

Yeah, that --

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�JJ:

Or it stopped --

FN:

There’s, I guess --

JJ:

-- (laughs) [with the ’60s?].

FN:

-- an overall strategy on how things come about. I mean, it doesn’t happen
accidentally. The fact that work from the outside is brought in, work that is not
consciously organized to fight for their rights, because they’re desperate or they
know whoever’s employing them are going to make the contract that -- these
people are desperate, so they use that weakness to break whatever strength we
had built up here in the United States already. Because the United States has an
incredible history of people that fought for rights, and you know, we’re always
[00:09:00] putting down the concept of communism. You know, they say, “Oh,
you know, you’re a communist,” and you think, “Well, what is a communist?” And
it’s a person that thinks of the commonwealth, that thinks about community, and
talk about the model of -- what, you know, people admire a lot of Christ was that
he was a very just person. In legend or history, whichever, he’s an icon of a
image that shared broke bread, you know? And to be called a communist, I
think, “Well, my goodness, what’s so ugly about that?” But, you know, it came up
with McCarthy. You know, anybody that’s labelled that is really- tried to be put
down.

JJ:

So now, were your parents Catholic, [00:10:00] or what’s --

FN:

My mother especially was very religious, and --

JJ:

But of what church?

FN:

(Spanish). [00:10:07]

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�JJ:

(Spanish), [00:10:08] okay.

FN:

But that was her sanctuary because she was a person that was very naive to
begin with. She got into a relationship that was not good. My father was not a
very good role model of a human person. In some respects, he was, but when it
came to -- he was in the same general --

JJ:

What do you mean by that?

FN:

-- arena where men think they’re superior to women. And then it happens, you
know, that women start -- you know, sometimes women are more male supremist
than men because they really take that to heart and really think that women
should not come out of their roles. So my mother was very Catholic, [00:11:00]
but at the same time, the church offered her sanctuary because of the abuse.
You know, she had nowhere to turn, and church was a very acceptable place of
sanctuary because it was respected by (Spanish). [00:11:16] You know, my
father said, “Well, she didn’t go to a cantina to get sanctuary. She went to church
to get sanctuary.” And she found a lot of --

JJ:

So meaning sanctuary [around?] there --

FN:

Where you go to a place, a sacred space, and pour out all of your woes and
problems, and get that inspirational strength. And it can be anywhere, but --

JJ:

So she didn’t go there to run away or anything. She just went there to pour out
her [things?] --

FN:

To enforce her spirituality. And, you know, I really -- you know, people say,
“Well, are you religious?” And I don’t know. Sometimes to respond -- [00:12:00]
I respect people have their religion, but I think in general, what we’re talking

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�about is her spirituality regardless of what religion it is. The thing is religion
becomes an ingroup. If you’re a Catholic or a Protestant, “No, you don’t leave,”
but, you know, it sort of divides you. But in common, what we have is that quest,
that need for spirituality enforcement. And that commonality to -- you know, that
we are one, so religion in the institutionalized sense has done more damage.
More wars have been caused in the name of God than, you know, what the
image of what Christ was; you know, to love your neighbor, to share bread, to
treat everyone as equals. And of course, you know, [00:13:00] that’s all we know
because the Bible was written by man, and testament means “witness of
testicles”, you know?
JJ:

Is that what it means, or...?

FN:

Yes. We don’t have a vagina-ment, you know, so in the Bible --

JJ:

Okay, so that’s not -- you’re being a little facetious about that.

FN:

Well, no, I’m saying that we can accept testament, but we can’t accept a thing
like vagina-ment. I mean, to say that vagina is one of the most terrible things that
you can say is just offensive as communist. Vagina, communist, menstruation -it’s like, “Oh, my God,” you know? So all of that, you know, goes into my thinking
of, “Yes, I do respect religion, but not when it controls you totally to where it puts
you against another people just because they have another religion,” [00:14:00]
because spirituality should not be property. To me, it’s, you know, connecting to
the universe, connecting to the world, connecting to your neighbors, connecting
to yourself as one. And that collective consciousness really needs to come out
because what happens is the way we are taken over and controlled is by divisive

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�means. Men against women, black against white, white against red, red against
yellow -- you know, it just goes on forever.
JJ:

Okay, so you’re --

FN:

And it just --

JJ:

-- growing up in which valley?

FN:

Right now, I’m living in the --

JJ:

No, but at that time, where --

FN:

I grew up in Imperial Valley.

JJ:

Imperial Valley, yeah, okay.

FN:

And Imperial Valley is mainly [00:15:00] a rural area that was run by (Spanish)
[00:15:05] that were Anglo.

JJ:

Oh, the (Spanish) [00:15:07] were Anglo?

FN:

Yes, uh-huh. And there, they --

JJ:

But I mean, big --

FN:

Yeah, big acres of --

JJ:

-- acres of land?

FN:

-- agriculture.

JJ:

Or agriculture?

FN:

And all the workers were --

JJ:

Where did the workers live?

FN:

The workers? We were lucky to be one of the fir-- well, I don’t know about the
first, but my father had a steady job as a foreman, so that gave us more --

JJ:

A foreman there at the --

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�FN:

A foreman of the Braceros that worked in the fields that were contracted.

JJ:

Okay, so --

FN:

So he was able to gain citizenship. My mother did --

JJ:

But did he build his way up, or --

FN:

No, he --

JJ:

-- he just came in as the foreman?

FN:

Yeah, he migrated from Mexico, lived in San Bernardino for a while, worked in
the trains --

JJ:

So he had gone to school [or something to be?] -- except they hired him as a
foreman. [00:16:00]

FN:

He was very smart with figures, and he knew English.

JJ:

He knew English.

FN:

He had already worked in the train station in San Bernardino that -- a lot of
Mexicanos worked with the trains at that time, and then it started going down
because the trucking industry started taking over. But the reason he left the train
was because he ran off with my mother. He was about 21, and she was about
15, so they ran away. And then my grandmother put him in jail, so he had to
marry my mother, but they ended up in Imperial Valley. And he was hired as a
foreman for the Braceros.

JJ:

Okay, so since he was a foreman, we were talking about where you lived.

FN:

Yeah, we were able to -- my mother was basically the one that got us a house,
you know, because they were living in carpets just like everybody else, (Spanish)
-- [00:16:55]

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�JJ:

What do you mean?

FN:

-- (Spanish). [00:16:56]

JJ:

(Spanish)? [00:16:57]

FN:

Just a, you know, makeshift [00:17:00] tent, whatever you could find; sometimes
branches or whatever, you know, you could put together to have shelter.

JJ:

Like a one-room whatever you could build.

FN:

(Spanish); [00:17:12] you know, dirt floors, and you know, she did the best she
could. But then when my older brothers and sisters started working in the fields,
she started thinking that they could have a house. And so they all put their
money together, and they were able to get a house.

JJ:

So they were able to get a house, but still, they worked in the fields and --

FN:

Oh, yeah, and then my mother eventually got a job in the hospital as a nurse aid.
And that was against my father’s wish because he wanted the control, you know.
So that was good, and also, she had a sister, my aunt [Aggie?], who started
working at this store called Kress. And to us, that was a big honor, [00:18:00]
you know, because she worked in a store, my God. You know, that was --

JJ:

In the town? That was a town where --

FN:

Uh-huh, in San Bernardino. She stayed in San Bernardino, my aunt Aggie, so
that also gave us a --

JJ:

So she was a big person, yeah.

FN:

Yeah, she was a big shot, you know, to us. My brother was a big shot because
he drove a machine. I mean, Mexicanos didn’t drive machines or work at stores,

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�you know, where they sold stuff, so that was I guess you could call a progressive
side of the family in those days. But -JJ:

Okay. So was there that kind of -- some people were looked on better than
others, or...?

FN:

Yes.

JJ:

Okay. Was there --

FN:

Anybody that newly migrated from Mexico were labeled as (Spanish), [00:18:50]
wetback --

JJ:

(Spanish)? [00:18:56]

FN:

Uh-huh, (Spanish). [00:18:57]

JJ:

Why?

FN:

That was a [00:19:00] derogatory --

JJ:

A derogatory term?

FN:

A very derogatory --

JJ:

(Spanish), [00:19:02] you say?

FN:

(Spanish) [00:19:03] because they crossed the wire.

JJ:

The wire? Okay.

FN:

Mm-hmm, but then that’s how we --

JJ:

Then you said wetbacks too? Was that a thing?

FN:

Wetbacks, uh-huh. My --

JJ:

They were calling each other wetbacks, or...?

FN:

No, the people that were already established in the little town like, for example,
us. We were established more than the ones coming in, and that’s another thing

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�that happens, you know. Every time somebody gets established, even though
you come from that same root, now you’re turning around and putting them
down. Before we came, you know, my mother crossed El Rio Grande. She was
almost drowning, and she was about seven years old. So how they came across
is illegally, but then, you know, a lot of people forget. You know, it’s like, “Oh, no,
I’m a citizen,” but how did everybody start? I mean, Jesus, they say, “Well,
[00:20:00] who’s an American?” We’re all American, and the Native American
Indians are more American than any American that ever has set foot here, so
there’s a thing, you know, within the Mexicanos where they say, “(Spanish).”
[00:20:14] What do you mean, Americano? “(Spanish).” [00:20:17] Well, geez,
you know, I’m an American, and I’m more American than the (Spanish)
[00:20:24] who crossed the sea. If I crossed a river, they crossed an ocean.
They crossed from the other side of the world. But even within us, you know, we
have been taught to respect more that comes from way, way far from the other
side of the world. And then, you know, here we are discriminating the people
that have roots, that have a history, that have an origin. So it’s a lot of internal
scars that we have, weaknesses that we have, that we [00:21:00] have to
supersede by educating ourselves because if you don’t have education, your
outlook is very, very limited. And you become very prejudiced, very greedy,
advantageous, and it just goes on and on. It’s a vicious cycle where you destroy
your own nest. You know, they say we are the only species that soil our nest,
and that’s because, you know, the ones that have the power to do so much are
polluting the world at a faster rate than has ever been known. We are destroying

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�the waters, the air, the earth, so what does that mean? We’re destroying our
own nest because -- what can we do without Mother Earth? And again, you
know, that goes back to [00:22:00] religion. When did religion become male? So
that’s very imbalanced already, the philosophy of the world. “Oh, men run the
world.” Well, geez, you know, the world is female, so once men become superior
or even -- like I said, some women are more male supremist than men. If a
woman is inferior, she can be divided. She can be raped. She can be abused.
She can be polluted. So can the earth. The earth can be divided, sold here,
prostituted, polluted, but what’s even more sadder is the concept that you can do
both to the mothers and then Mother Earth. Well, then all the children that come
of women are vulnerable for exploitation. [00:23:00] I mean, even in the Bible,
what is one of the reasons to baptize? Because in the Catholic churches, for
example, and I don’t accept this, if you’re born from woman, from a vagina,
you’re dirty. So you have to be baptized and cleansed. Why do we accept that?
If you see a child, this infant -- you’re holding it, and you’re thinking like, “Where’s
the mortal sin?” But we accept it or we don’t understand it, and so we have
baptisms, and we go along with the show and have a big party and get drunk.
And it’s an excuse to party, but we’re not understanding exactly what we are
accepting. So I don’t know where we’re going with this, but anyway -JJ:

No, because you mentioned Mother Earth and trying to see [00:24:00] the
Indigenous people, so I was going to ask for your other worldviews also and
things like that. So where does this come from?

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�FN:

The taking over of patriarchal religion destroyed the Indigenous Native religions
because they were based on respect for Mother Earth. If they did something,
they would say, “Well, if we organize this way or we manage this way --” because
the land was owned communally at one time. And so their thinking was, “If we
do this, how is it going to affect the next seven generations?” So you can’t think
like that in our modern world because you’re going to make profit to hell if you’re
going to kill your own kids in the next 10 generations. You don’t care. You’re
going to make money. You’re going to profit, so it’s hard [00:25:00] for us to
think, “Well, if I put these pesticides into this plant, it’s going to kill the bug right
now, and it’s going to grow a big crop. And I’m going to have all this.” And then
you say, “Well, what does it do to the human body? What does it do to the
animals around? What does it do to the birds?” And in that mentality, you’re
going to make a profit. You don’t care. You don’t care if it’s going to kill
thousands of birds, if it’s going to pollute the water, if it’s going to ruin people’s
kidneys, if it’s going to kill children, or it’s going to cause asthma for the next 10 -I mean, the mentality’s so --

JJ:

Okay, but where do you begin thinking like this, you personally?

FN:

I personally -- well, because like I said, spirituality is something that [00:26:00]
needs to flourish in all of us.

JJ:

But I mean, when did you start thinking about spirituality and Mother Earth? Was
that, I mean, from birth, or...?

FN:

Oh, no. At one time, I was very, very Catholic, although I questioned a lot of
things, because I was brought up -- like I said, my mother was the one that found

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�sanctuary in Catholic, so I can respect that to some extent, she needed that. So
we were brought up very Catholic by my mother because my father was gone.
My father was out of the picture. I mean, he would come in and out and -JJ:

And what do you mean? He just left?

FN:

Well, no, he worked and then --

JJ:

But he wasn’t around?

FN:

He really wasn’t around.

JJ:

So where did he hang out at?

FN:

At the bars.

JJ:

At the bars? Okay. Did he have a drinking problem or just --

FN:

Yeah, but we called -- it was a man thing to do.

JJ:

A man thing to do, okay.

FN:

But it wasn’t called alcoholism. [00:27:00] And then --

JJ:

So he drank every day, or just on weekends or...?

FN:

I don’t know because I was too young. I was the second youngest, but --

JJ:

Okay, but he did go to the bars and to --

FN:

Oh, yeah, but my oldest brothers and sisters -- maybe they don’t want to
remember, but like I said, he lacked in being a responsible parent, what I think
should be a responsible -- or even just to yourself where you don’t abuse other
people. Anyway, so --

JJ:

So you don’t --

FN:

-- I was brought up in the Catholic religion, and I had a lot of questions. “How
could this infant have mortal sin,” you know, was one of my questions when I was

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�very, very young. But then I would see -- you know, my mother was very
principled. She was very honest. She was very devoted to her family, her
children. She loved us all. Even though we were all very different, she never
discriminated [00:28:00] or favored one over the other, although she did hold that
thing that -- if you were a woman, you had to make the beds. (laughter) She had
that, you know? It was ingrained already, but in other respects, she was an
incredible woman that -JJ:

So you had to be a cook or something like that if you were a woman?

FN:

Yeah, you had to know how to make tortillas because who was going to love you
if you didn’t know how to make tortillas? And then she was -- in the religion, you
can’t help but get a lot of this same male supremacy sense. You know, we didn’t
bow down to a female God. We bowed down to a male God only. So I became
very religious up to the point where when I was already in 11th, 12th grade, I
didn’t know how I was going to get out of the house. I wanted to get out of the
house, but I knew that to get married would be not for me. If I ran away from the
house, where would I end up? [00:29:00] How would I live? So I --

JJ:

Because of your mom or because of your dad, or...?

FN:

Well, because I started thinking.

JJ:

Because you started thinking, okay.

FN:

Because my mother said if I ran away, she was going to put me in juvenile, so
that was going to be a history of going into --

JJ:

You started challenging weakness?

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�FN:

Mm-hmm. She was very, very stern, and she was my biggest enemy. But then
now, I think -- because I wanted to run around like crazy, you know? I mean, and
everybody does. When you’re young, you just want to cut loose, but you don’t
understand the responsibility of freedom. You don’t understand the responsibility
of liberty, and are real naive, so she had a good control on me. She used to say
I was the worst one of all the family because I used to question things a lot, so in
a way, I’m very grateful that she --

JJ:

Did she tell you that directly at a certain point?

FN:

[00:30:00] What did she --

JJ:

When did she tell you that?

FN:

Tell me what?

JJ:

That you were the worst one?

FN:

Oh, just in talking -- when I started getting a little bit better because when I was
by the age of 16, 17, she used to say, “(Spanish).” [00:30:16] But basically,
because I questioned everything -- you know, she would say, “(Spanish).”
[00:30:26] And I would say, “(Spanish)?” [00:30:30] Oh, my God, it was like,
“How could I even come up with a question like that?” Or, you know, when I
wanted to go out, she would say, “(Spanish),” [00:30:46] and I was so mad. And
then, you know, she would just -- sometimes I think I caused fear in her because
I would say, “Well, I don’t want any kids, you know.” “(Spanish)?” [00:31:00]
“You know, I don’t even want to bother with that,” and I was shocking, I guess, to
her. And sometimes I feel bad because I caused her a lot of grief, but she was
very, very strong and very principled and very high morals. And that, I learned

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�from her. So like I said, I was in 12th grade, and I even thought of becoming a
nun.
JJ:

What school did you go to? What school was this?

FN:

Let’s see. I went to Miguel Hidalgo in elementary, and we never knew who
Miguel Hidalgo was. I had picked up a book and started learning who he was, so
when I transferred to a Catholic school for two years, I was very proud to say in
seventh grade that I came from Miguel Hidalgo. And most of the school that I
was at -- you know, they looked down at you because, “That’s dirt, you know, you
come from.” But I thought geez, you know, it was a Catholic school. [00:32:00]
They would uphold somebody like Miguel Hidalgo, you know, who fought within
the religion, and no, it wasn’t like that.

JJ:

Yeah, who was Miguel Hidalgo?

FN:

(Spanish)? [00:32:10]

JJ:

Who was he?

FN:

He was, in history, a priest that stood up for the common good -- he was a
communist, I guess you could say, you know -- and equality within the religion
itself. Just because you were a Mexican didn’t mean you couldn’t be a priest or
an archbishop or whatever. And I think that was mainly what I remember in
history, you know, that he fought for the Indigenous people to be dignified and to
be respected. So it didn’t go well in Catholic school.

JJ:

You wanted to be a nun.

FN:

[00:33:00] Well, at that time, I was really out of bounds, you know.

JJ:

Out of bounds?

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�FN:

Yeah, I rebelled, I guess, a lot, and those were probably the most trying years for
my mother. But what I first told you -- the reason I wanted to go to Catholic
school is because I also sensed that there was a (Spanish) [00:33:27] like you
were going to be doomed to go to another public school on the other side of the
tracks. And it didn’t look very good because when the principal from Barbara
Worth came and gave a whole spiel on more or less the routine of what it was to
go to the other side of the tracks to a place called Barbara Worth, the main
questions that came from us in my peer group was, “Well, you know, what if you
play hooky? What’s going to happen?” And all they talked about [00:34:00] was,
“What if you offended the rules? What would happen?” And so, you know, of
course, they would tell you, “Well, you’ll be punished for this. This is the
punishment that’s going to happen.” And I kept thinking, “Well, why are they just
talking about that?” And there was also another reason. You know, I was a real
big flirt, and I heard that the girls at Barbara Worth were going to sort of kick my
ass because I was flirting with their boyfriends or whatever, so I thought, “Oh, my
God, I don’t want to go over there and get, you know, beat up.” So I told my
mother, “I want to go to Catholic school,” because, you know, she was a hard
worker. And she goes, “(Spanish)!” [00:34:42] You know, she thought I was
wanting to be a nun from then, I guess. She thought I was, you know, very
Catholic, but I had my personal intentions. But even then, I was curious about,
you know, the difference, and I did [00:35:00] have ambitions to get out of the
house somehow. But I didn’t know, so I figured, “Explore, you know? Adventure
into unknown territory.” So then I did, and then I went to high school. And I still

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�didn’t know how I was going to get out of the house, so I figured that I could
become a nun. And then you read the story of Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz, you
know.
JJ:

Who is she? I don’t know her.

FN:

She was a person that had a lot of chances to get married. She had admirers,
but she chose not to. And she became a nun, and I think mostly because she
was a writer. She was a poet, and you couldn’t be both. It was very difficult to
be both a poet or an artist, a writer, and be married because when you get
married, you’re supposed to hang on or be subject to be controlled by your
[00:36:00] male partner. So I think that that was very significant about her, but I
wanted to become a nun because I wanted to get out of the house and under the
control of my mother. And that was my reason, you know. It --

JJ:

Now, she didn’t control you physically. It was just her --

FN:

No, physically, I didn’t go to wherever I wanted. I wanted to be out on the
streets, but she kept me home. I mean, I couldn’t go out of the house --

JJ:

Oh, okay, I see.

FN:

-- at 12:00 of midnight and ride around in a motorcycle or whatever you all do,
(laughter) but I did try. So luckily, EOP came around, and not only that --

JJ:

What’s EOP?

FN:

Educational Opportunity Programs, and it was through the efforts of Johnson’s
war on poverty. But of course, behind that was the Civil Rights Movement;
people that gave up so much, you know, that [00:37:00] dared to say, “I’m
human. I have dignity.” And so many people that gave up their lives and gave

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�up so much so that I could go to school, and so that’s how I got into school. But
also, what was ironic is that I had an older sister who became a registered nurse,
probably the first one in the family or the whole Clan de Nuñez -JJ:

What was her name?

FN:

Rosa. Probably in the whole nation, she was the first registered nurse, (laughter)
but the reason she got into nursing school was because she was going to be like
my mother, a nurse aid. Got into the hospital working, and she was taking care
of this patient who was a ranchero. And this ranchero knew all of the Nuñez clan
that worked in the fields. I mean, my father came from a [00:38:00] family of 12,
so --

JJ:

He came from a family of 12, and there was 11 children too with --

FN:

Yeah he had, with my mother, eleven children, but he had a big family.

JJ:

So there was a big clan in that area?

FN:

Huge, so --

JJ:

In Imperial Valley, okay. Are they still there?

FN:

A lot of them are, and a lot of them have moved into LA and further on up San
Jose. So anyway, this ranchero knew all of the (Spanish) [00:38:34] and about
four or three sisters over there. And when he found out my sister was working
there as a nurse aid, out of somewhere, this ranchero who had a lot to do with
the exploitation of labor -- I mean, because you weren’t paid. I mean, the profit
that they made was never compared to the wages that were paid. [00:39:00] He
asked if she wanted to be a real nurse; I think that was the term, real nurse. And
my sister, I guess, probably didn’t really -- maybe she knew a little bit more, and

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�she said yes. In other words, a registered nurse. Not just a nurse aid because,
you know, you have more responsibilities as a registered nurse, so you have to
be more educated in terms of administering medication and side effects and
reactions and what to do, and reporting to the doctor and keeping maintenance.
And he sent her to school, and he put it in his will before he died -- he was dying
-- that her education was going to get paid regardless whether he was around or
not. And the family abided by that, and these were the oppressors, you could
say; the people that, you know, took advantage of cheap labor.
JJ:

You’re talking about the ranchero

FN:

Yes, this ranchero [00:40:00] I don’t know his name, but --

JJ:

Did you look at him as the oppressor at that time, or no, you didn’t know that --

FN:

Oh, no, but I mean, when you start learning how the Imperial Valley -- I didn’t
know about the history of the Imperial Valley, you know, how the land was
occupied --

JJ:

What do you mean?

FN:

-- how the land was controlled by only blancos

JJ:

Okay, occupied meaning that it used to be --

FN:

That the land was there for people to use and make use of. You know, if you
walked around a piece of land, you could own it, but then those that had horses
used the horse to claim the land and then shot the ones that were walking, which
was mainly Mexicanos, you know? That’s the history that I know of. And then at
one time, they did have lawyers coming in from out of town, and I think some of

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�’em were hanged before they got into town because they were in defense of the
common [00:41:00] good. So yeah, I -JJ:

So Rosa’s education was being paid for?

FN:

Yeah, my education was paid for with the lives of so many people. Any
educational opportunities was what it came out to be. But as far as how I
become spiritual or aspired to the spiritual is through education, and now this
education was not just in a classroom. A lot of our education in those days,
especially when you and I were young, was outside, you know, in the (Spanish),
[00:41:45] in the study groups that we had to understand the situation better.
Later on in life, you know, it took -- and I’m talking about [00:42:00] my retirement
now. When I was in my fifties, I started going back to school as a hobby because
I love education. I love, you know, this curiosity that I have, right, so I took
philosophy, the psychology of women, and the Old Testament and the New
Testament, and art. Oil painting, watercolor, you know, whatever, and so that’s
when I started getting into mythology. And then I came across Carl Jung, and
oh, my world changed. It was like I fell in love with this person.

JJ:

Who is Carl Jung?

FN:

Carl Jung is a psychologist, and he clashed with Freud because Freud was very
dogmatic. I mean, Freud was talking about penis envy, and he was talking
about, you know, knowing the mind. [00:43:00] You could call it playing on our
weaknesses and misinformation of male supremacy, and Carl Jung couldn’t go
along with him, and they had a breakup. But I think what Freud brought to the

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�front was the aspect of dreaming, you know, how important dreams are, and then
Carl Jung took it to a -JJ:

[Another?] --

FN:

-- more explainable way, and Joseph Campbell too. I mean, Joseph Campbell
and Carl Jung were very much --

JJ:

Similar?

FN:

-- the same, uh-huh. The respect for the big dream, the acknowledgement that
the little dream -- you know, as an individual, how you can use dreams, omens,
or -- a way to prevent further damage, or a way to aspire to higher goals. But the
big dream is like the [00:44:00] collective consciousness, and the building of a
better world instead of the building of a world where you’re going to destroy it due
to greed, to putting profit ahead, you know, of --

JJ:

So are you more into it because the social or the mental health of it -- because
you were into nursing, and these are kind of the same philos-- I mean, they’re
into psychology, right?

FN:

Mm-hmm. Well, one of the reasons -- when I was very young, I always wanted
to be an artist, an actor. But my father, in this way, was practical. He says,
“(Spanish).” [00:44:42] And I would think, “God, you know, I guess the concept
of starving artist for the...” So I always saw, you know, that I had to have a
profession where I could eat and be comfortable, and [00:45:00] then I had my
older sister, Rosa, as an example of the feeling that you can depend on yourself
and not have to bow down to anyone else. So I always wanted that, and I never
wanted to get married. And I never wanted to have children, and I never wanted

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�to go back to work in the fields. And maybe the reason -- because, you know,
you’re very badly paid.
JJ:

Because you did work in --

FN:

In the fields, yeah.

JJ:

-- the fields for yourself for how long?

FN:

Only when I was basically young. I think I started when I was in seventh grade. I
worked with a family member, and I used to get the boxes of the (Spanish),
[00:45:48] but she says, “(Spanish).” [00:45:50] You know, told me, “You let the
family name down,” so --

JJ:

So you had to work hard, eh?

FN:

Unloading boxes, you know, up there on the trucks and [00:46:00] stuff, but it
was sort of not out of a great need --

JJ:

Because that is that culture, right? You’re there, and you know it’s hard work, but
somebody’s putting even more pressure on you to do it faster and --

FN:

Uh-huh. But in a way, it wasn’t out of great need, you know, because the money
that I did make, I used for clothes to go to school. And the other thing that I did
when I made my first big money according to those days -- I actually promised
that I was going to give to the church too, and I remember putting 20 dollars in
the basket, a 20-dollar bill. In 1964, that’s a lot of money, tons of money, but I
did it. And at that moment, it was like a promise to myself that when you say
something -- that’s what I learned from my mother -- [00:47:00] your word is very,
very precious. And it’s not something that you mess around with, so when you

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�give your word, if you don’t, you know, go through with it, what kind of a human
are you? So she really put that into me.
JJ:

So you’re an artist?

FN:

Well, an artist at heart, but I became a registered nurse for practical reasons.

JJ:

Right, but what type of artist? I mean --

FN:

(laughter) Well, I always wanted to be an actor, and I love art. You know, I go to
this group, and I say, “I just love art. I love artists, you know,” and that’s usually
my intro.

JJ:

But what type of art?

FN:

What type of art?

JJ:

Because I mean, [00:48:00] I’m not that, you know, [endeared by?] art, but I
mean, I kind of --

FN:

What happened with me with art too is that I never really took it serious, and I’m
talking about drawing and painting and stuff. So when I was taking classes in oil
painting -- you know, you start getting into understanding who Da Vinci was and
Picasso, Diego. And then you read a little bit of the history. You know, Diego
was a communist. Frida was a communist. Picasso was a communist, and
you’re thinking, “Well, geez, you know, artists are supposed to be apolitical.” You
know, that’s the understanding that comes across. Andy Warhol, for example,
became very famous, and you’re thinking, “Well, all he did was a bunch of prints
of a tomato soup can or Marilyn Monroe in different colors.” So you don’t
understand, and you’re thinking, “Well, what’s the big deal, you know?” And so
then you start [00:49:00] reading, and again, here comes education, that he

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�appealed to the manufacturing of goods. So he appealed to the whimsical, the
upper class; you know, the manufacture of goods. And so now, I look at those
prints -- for example, Marilyn Monroe -- and say, “Okay, I got to get my boobs
fixed. Oh, I want a pink shoe, a yellow shoe, blue shoes.” And again, you know,
it’s like what I brought up earlier. You baptize your kid when they’re infants
because they have mortal sin, and you really don’t understand it, but you have a
big party. So, you know, now you look at these pictures, and somewhere
somehow in the background, you say, “I have pink shoes, but now I need blue
shoes.” And do you need them, or is it just this consumerism that we have
gotten into? You know, it’s like a [00:50:00] infection, you know, that has taken
us to this barrage of commercials. If we invested more time into education than
in commercials, can you imagine where we would be? This country supposedly
is one of the most richest countries in the world, and yet our education is at a
very low level. Our health is at a very low level, and the processing of food -- we
don’t understand what we’re doing to our children feeding them potato chips. All
of the hormones that go into beef, antibiotics to keep ’em from rotting -- I didn’t
know what veal was. I’ve never had it because it was always so expensive, but I
always wondered. And when I read what veal is -- you know, you put a little cow
in [00:51:00] a box, and you don’t let it move, but you inject it with antibiotics the
whole time so that it doesn’t rot. So then this meat is what you eat, and it’s
tender and everything, you know, what they say about veal. And you’re thinking,
“Oh, you know, how can you eat that,” understanding the background. And this

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�is why education is so precious. It’s incredibly precious, and to survive, to thrive,
you have to educate yourself.
JJ:

So you went to that high school. What high school was this?

FN:

I went to, I’m sorry, Brawley Union High School.

JJ:

And then how --

FN:

I went to Our Lady of the Sacred Heart School, but I remember one time doing a
paper, and I put Our Lady of the Sacred Heart. But I didn’t know it and I
misspelled it, and I put Our Lady of the Scared Heart. And I did it unconsciously,
[00:52:00] but now I wonder -- you know, because well, first of all, spelling, right?
But I remember the nun getting up there in front and just lecturing us about
disrespect, and I was, the whole time, wondering why was she going on and on.
Well, it was based on the title of my paper, Our Lady of the Scared Heart. But
yeah, from Sacred Heart, I went to Brawley Union High School. And then from
Brawley Union High School, I was able to get into what they call San Diego State
College in those days. And then it was changed to San Diego State University.

JJ:

Right. There was a lot happening at San Diego State University over there at
that time. Alurista was there, right?

FN:

Yes.

JJ:

And then --

FN:

Nationalism at its highest peak.

JJ:

Okay, well, explain who he was and what he --

FN:

Alurista --

JJ:

Because I met him in Denver, but I didn’t know --

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�FN:

-- as far as I understand, was a --

JJ:

[00:53:00] -- too much about him.

FN:

He was from Tijuana, then he was able to go to high school here in the United
States. And then he got into San Diego State, and he became a poet and read
up a little bit on Aztec history. And well, at that time, he was the know-it-all on
culture, so --

JJ:

So know-it-all meaning --

FN:

Meaning that --

JJ:

-- he was well-known?

FN:

-- the younger ones that were coming in, you know, used to think, “Well, geez,
you know, he knows a lot.”

JJ:

And didn’t he come up with the concept of Aztlán, or...?

FN:

Well, I guess, yeah, but when you --

JJ:

But he was a know-it-all of Aztec --

FN:

Yeah, he was probably the one that knew the most at that time, and we thought - but that’s a whole other area to cover. But did you [00:54:00] want to go into
that now?

JJ:

Just briefly if you know.

FN:

Yeah, he became a poet. And because we knew him personally, we didn’t really
swallow everything. I mean, at least I didn’t, and I know my friend, Sylvia, who
was my hitchhiking buddy -- we ventured out of the box. I mean, as it is, we
ventured out of the box when we left our homes. Then, you know, we get into
San Diego State, and we venture out of the box when everybody’s in the high on

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�nationalism to the point where it almost becomes fascist, you know? Everybody
goes, “(Spanish).” [00:54:39] And you go, “Wait a minute. You know, here we
go again, the ingroup thing.” And so Sylvia Romero and I came together at some
point when we first started San Diego State. As a matter of fact, I heard from her
that she thought I was just a (Spanish), [00:54:58] you know, [00:55:00] from
Brawley.
JJ:

What’s a (Spanish)? [00:55:01] I’m sorry.

FN:

A (Spanish) [00:55:02] is a very rough, I guess, character that paints their face a
lot, and is very cool and very rough. This person can be very rough, but yet
she’s very controlled by men. That’s what I think, you know. They have a
tendency to want to be, you know, themselves, but then somewhere, it gets -once they have children or once they get into drugs, that stops. So she thought I
was a (Spanish). [00:55:39] And then one time, she was rooming with my friend,
Maria Sanchez, who was from my hometown, and I was all dressed up. We had
gone to a fraternity party, me and our school friend, Henrietta, and I was all
dressed up.

JJ:

Who was your fraternity?

FN:

It was a fraternity, the [Gabachos?], you know?

JJ:

Oh, the [00:56:00] Gabachos, yeah.

FN:

Uh-huh, and that’s because it’s known as --

JJ:

The Gabachos is what?

FN:

The Gabachos? Anglos.

JJ:

Anglos, okay.

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�FN:

And it was known as a party school, so hey, I wanted to find out, you know? I
didn’t care. I mean, I wanted to explore, so we went to it. And I was all dressed
up, and I was waiting for Maria Sanchez to come -- I don’t know where she was
at -- and Sylvia was there. And she kept looking at me, and I thought I was -after a while, I said, “You know, I better go because I don’t know what time she’s
going to be in, but tell her I dropped by.” We lived in the Olmeca dorms at San
Diego State. And so from then on, she had a different impression of me, so then
that’s how we started hitchhiking and how we started sharing our views to some
extent.

JJ:

Hitchhiking where?

FN:

To San Francisco.

JJ:

Okay, right before that?

FN:

Uh-huh, and then she was also with me --

JJ:

What year was this that you did that?

FN:

Oh, probably 1969 --

JJ:

Sixty-nine.

FN:

-- 1970, something like that. As a matter of fact, we got picked up by Cesar
Chavez in his cart. [00:57:00] Oh, but she was the one that was in Denver,
Colorado with me to the Denver youth conference that Corky Gonzales -- when I
met you.

JJ:

Okay, but this -- what was the Denver conference about? Which one do you
mean?

FN:

The Denver conference -- what was it about?

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�JJ:

Because for us, that was a big, you know --

FN:

Oh, geez, I had no idea. I mean, first of all, I thought I had gotten out of the box
when I had left my home, but I was just going to go get my nursing degree and
go work as a nurse and have my place. I always wanted a bunch of cats, and
that was -- you know, be independent and have a bunch of cats in the house.
That was my dream. And so we get there to San Diego State, and I never was
even in an organization, first of all, because my mother couldn’t really afford -like I said, she had tight reins on me [00:58:00] for the longest time. And I think
she did it because I was probably the most wild one, so I couldn’t even be -maybe I would’ve pushed it, but I wasn’t in any volleyball teams or any athlete
teams outside of schools and no organizations at all, nothing. So I was
introduced to San Diego State, and they had this MAYA program, Mexican
American Youth Association. And I thought, “Wow, what’s an organization? You
know, what do they do,” this, you know, curiosity because I got the sense that
because of people’s struggles, I was able to get into school. That was one of my
initial understandings, so I felt an obligation to this organization. And then
through them, I got to go to the Denver conference, and it was a youth
conference. And I really had no idea what it was about expect that it was this
man called [00:59:00] Corky Gonzales who had this poem, but you know, even
with that --

JJ:

What was the poem?

FN:

Yo soy Joaquín.

JJ:

Yo soy Joaquín, okay.

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�FN:

Which was very, very powerful, but still, I had a sense of being left out. And yet,
it was a sense of pride.

JJ:

He also was a boxer at one time, right?

FN:

Yes. But basically, what was emphasized was the respect, the dignity, the power
of the male image. But I still thought I had a chance, you know, because it still
gave me pride. Because, you know, being from that culture, that background, I
identified with it on an equal basis, although I didn’t sense it too much from the
poem until years later. I go back and read it, then I go, “Whoa, where’s the
women,” you know? (laughter) But either way, it was a step just like MAYA was
a step into being proud of my identity. [01:00:00] You know, in school, I was
known as Phyllis [Nunns?], and I became Felícitas Nuñez. And I was always
like, “God, you know, why did my mother give me this name? You know, who
has a name like that?” And now, it was like, “Whoa, my name is Felícitas,” and I
wasn’t embarrassed or ashamed of it. So we go to the Denver, Colorado
conference, and oh, my God, it was immense. It was like being in an ocean.

JJ:

And what year was this?

FN:

Was it 1969?

JJ:

Sixty-nine or ’68.

FN:

Sixty-nine.

JJ:

Or ’69.

FN:

And that was my first introduction to a massive --

JJ:

Who was there, and --

FN:

Who was there?

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�JJ:

-- what kind of population?

FN:

Basically Mexicanos that I knew of, and that’s where I discovered [01:01:00] that
my cousin, Manuel Delgado -- because I saw him on film getting beat up. The
concept of Third World hadn’t entered into my life yet, and that’s how I connected
with my cousin into the Third World and started hitchhiking to San Francisco.

JJ:

Mm-hmm. He got beat up, you said. What do you mean?

FN:

He was one of the leaders in the Third World at Berkeley; you know, students
fighting for --

JJ:

What’s his name again?

FN:

-- recognition. Manuel Delgado, and he also put out a book called The Last
Chicano.

JJ:

The Last Chicano.

FN:

So he --

JJ:

So he was getting beat up by the police?

FN:

Uh-huh.

JJ:

Oh, he did.

FN:

Yeah, he did by the police, but that’s how I recognized him at that conference.
And one of the persons that was there already that I got to know later was
Manuel Gomez.

JJ:

And who was he?

FN:

He was also at Berkeley, and he knew my cousin. So anyway, it was --

JJ:

And who were some of the other groups that were there?

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�FN:

The other groups? People [01:02:00] I didn’t know. There was a lot of students.
And I remember we were sitting down, and Alurista was there, the great poet, I
guess. And these young girls came --

JJ:

That’s where I met him. I didn’t --

FN:

“Oh, Alurista!” And we’re looking like, “What’s wrong with them?” You know,
they looked like kids that were very excited by this guy that we knew, and we
were like, “What the hell’s going on here,” you know? (laughter) But that was
them from the outside and us from the inside, you know, having a different view
or, you know, sense of saying, “What’s the big ruckus about,” right? But I think
most of the people there were Mexicanos from all over. Very, very exciting, but I
guess, you know, what caught my eye was the Young Lords. Oh, and talking
about, you know, Sylvia and I going out of the boxes from our house and then
into an organization, and then into Denver -- well, at Denver, I do recall, you
know, that the people from San Diego wanted to [01:03:00] stay in a little group.
And Sylvia had this, I think, sense of also exploring because we didn’t stay with a
group. I mean, it was like, “Hey, you know, keep connected,” but this was a time
to just explore. And I remember them going, you know, like this, and we were
just going, “Hey!” (laughs)

JJ:

Who was they?

FN:

I think I remember --

JJ:

Some of the Young Lords? We were doing that, or no?

FN:

No, the ones from San Diego State.

JJ:

Oh, from San Diego State telling you --

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�FN:

Yeah, and --

JJ:

-- “Come onto our group.”

FN:

-- we were just waving to them, “Bye,” you know. And I remember sitting next to
one of the Young Lords, and he called himself Che because he says the police
were after him, and he didn’t want to say his real name. And we’re in the picture.
He’s in the picture with me and --

JJ:

Oh, that’s him? Okay.

FN:

Maybe I should’ve brought that book or -- it’s all worn out.

JJ:

No, you can bring it here later. We’ll get that later.

FN:

But what really, really caught my eye was you. [01:04:00]

JJ:

Cut this. (laughs)

FN:

No, you can’t cut this. I had never seen a human like you. I mean, you were
white, and your features were Negroid, and then you had blue eyes. And then
with the purple beret that you wore, I just -- “What the hell is this,” you know?
(laughter) I mean, it was almost repulsed, and then attraction at the same time. It
was an incredible -- I don’t know. To me, it was the highlight of the whole Denver
conference. And of course, probably a lot of other women fell for you at the
same time, but that’s what I remember very significantly. Later on in talking to -Iris Morales?

JJ:

In New York?

FN:

Uh-huh.

JJ:

Yeah, Iris Morales, okay.

FN:

Uh-huh. She said that [01:05:00] at the heighth of -- and I remember there was --

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�JJ:

Because she was there too. I didn’t know that until today.

FN:

-- fist fights because you had the nationalists fighting the internationalists, and
the concept was the class struggle. And the ones from Berkeley were more
exposed to the third world concept of class struggle, (Spanish) [01:05:25] then
you had the other ones that were real Mexicanos. “Oh, no, we have to stay with
(Spanish), [01:05:28] and our women have to be with us,” and you know, that
kind of thinking, but that happened. And what was the worst part is, again, the
ingroup, the limiting, the exclusiveness that comes around. And Iris says that
she had forgotten or maybe put it out of her mind because it was so painful to
think about it or even try to think about it that the Young Lords were told to get
[01:06:00] rid of the brothers that were dark.

JJ:

Okay, and let me just make sure that we get this. Iris Morales is from the --

FN:

From the New York --

JJ:

-- New York Young Lords, okay.

FN:

And she --

JJ:

And now, you said about getting rid of the brothers that were dark --

FN:

That were Black, that looked --

JJ:

Who was told that?

FN:

The Young Lords from New York.

JJ:

Oh, were told to get rid of the --

FN:

Or get them out of the conference because they weren’t the right color. They
were too dark.

JJ:

Oh, at the conference, you said?

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�FN:

Denver conference.

JJ:

Oh, I didn’t know that there was some -- okay, so there was --

FN:

And she said that --

JJ:

Because there was two conferences. Maybe they were at the second one.

FN:

Oh, maybe that was the second conference.

JJ:

They were at the second conference because the first one, I think, was maybe
Chicago Young Lords at that time.

FN:

Did you guys have any --

JJ:

But I mean, she was there too. Like you said, she was there, but then there was
the next -- we went to the second conference there the following year in ’69. So
we did go to that, and then there was one in ’68. Was there --

FN:

I don’t remember that one in ’68.

JJ:

Okay, but maybe that was in ’70 that they went to.

FN:

Mm-hmm. [01:07:00] So that was just an example of, you know, how limited our
views are that Iris said, “You know, how could we tell our Black brothers to leave
the conference?” And (Spanish); [01:07:13] you know, brown, or --

JJ:

Yeah, I wasn’t aware of that. So that happened in --

FN:

That happened.

JJ:

-- what, probably the ’70s?

FN:

Probably.

JJ:

And again, I’m not sure if that --

FN:

But Iris could bring it up.

JJ:

But she did say that that happened?

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�FN:

Yeah, so they left. They all left.

JJ:

But who was telling ’em to leave the conference?

FN:

I guess the leaders who were organizing the conference. She could tell you
more, but the --

JJ:

Okay. Like you said, there’s racism within our communities.

FN:

There’s racism within the family. I mean, when you have a child that’s lighter,
you’re going to -- you know, it happens. You know, the one that light is always
told how beautiful she or he is compared to the darker ones.

JJ:

Right, [01:08:00] that is --

FN:

But that’s what I mean. We carry the scars so deep.

JJ:

Right, because my mother was excited. She says I’m going to be a lawyer
because I’m light-skinned, and I told her, “Well, when they go to court...” (laughs)
But --

FN:

Uh-huh, you went to court too. So yeah, that’s what Iris remembers, and I --

JJ:

And the conference was very -- you know, it impacted us. How did it go for --

FN:

Oh, we came back as MEchA, which was, in a way, a good concept because it
was uniting all of the school organizations in the universities. And at the same
time, it started taking away the autonomy. You know, if you’re moving your
fingers, you don’t have to move your feet and vice versa. But when it’s all under
one control of heading, everybody’s [01:09:00] got to move, and you got to
balance it. You know, “Yes and no, yes and no.” But what happens is the
MEchAs got controlled by more of the administration coming from the institution.

JJ:

Can you explain to me -- what is MEchA? I mean, what is it?

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�FN:

MEchA’s Movimiento Estudíantil Chicano de Aztlán.

JJ:

Aztlán, okay. And so you came up with that concept, or other people --

FN:

No, we went back with that concept of the --

JJ:

But why? Was there a MEchA group there already, or no?

FN:

No, we were MAYA.

JJ:

You were MAYA, but you turned into MEchA.

FN:

Uh-huh, and then there was --

JJ:

So MAYA turned into MEchA?

FN:

Uh-huh. All of the autonomous organizations in the universities had their own
names like --

JJ:

So MEchA was a coalition name?

FN:

Mm-hmm, yes, like an umbrella.

JJ:

Like an umbrella, yeah, okay.

FN:

But at the same time, they get --

JJ:

So what were some of the other groups? What other --

FN:

You know what? I don’t remember, but --

JJ:

Okay, but there were a lot of [01:10:00] autonomous groups --

FN:

Mm-hmm, there was a lot of the --

JJ:

-- and then MEchA became the umbrella?

FN:

Mm-hmm. But the autonomous groups were, I think, more united in our concept
of political consciousness, collective consciousness. Later on with MEchA, it
becomes more watered down, and maybe because of the times too, you know.

JJ:

Collective consciousness. What does that mean?

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�FN:

Collective consciousness? That all of us wanted to do good for the greater, and -

JJ:

It becomes watered down as that --

FN:

Watered down to that -- it becomes more under the control of institutionalized
administration. You know --

JJ:

So the school itself?

FN:

-- now, it’s limited. “No, you can’t strike. No, you can’t protest.” It was like a --

JJ:

So the schools come in, they give you a little money, and then they start to
intrude? Or am I putting words in your mouth?

FN:

No, actually, MEchA -- [01:11:00] well, it’s a way of getting funds from the school
too, you know, but --

JJ:

So -- go ahead, I’m sorry. [What were you saying?]?

FN:

No, I just think that to some extent, it got weakened when it became MEchA in
general, you know, as opposed to giving everybody their autonomy. And yet,
having that understanding that we are all there to bridge from higher education to
the community -- because one of the strongest concepts we had was to always
keep that bridge open and enforced where the community and the higher
echelons of education have that connection. You know, but MEchA seemed to
lose weakness along with everything else, though, because look at what
happened in the late ’60s and the ’70s after all of that protesting of civil rights and
stuff. We did get more opportunities. We were able [01:12:00] to progress. I
mean, I was able to get a job. Now, some people have master’s, probably even
PhDs, and they can’t find a job. So, you know, things seem to get worse, and

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�you know, the education has slacked off. And I’m talking about not just
classroom education, but education of the collective consciousness where we
keep together, you know, that commonality of doing social justice. So -JJ:

And it was vibrant at that time.

FN:

Oh, it was at its heighths because of the Civil Rights Movement. It had such an
impact. And you know, there’s a book by bell hooks that I have not read, but that
I have heard of. She explains how the hippie movement -- [01:13:00] that was
very significant for me. It also had a very big impact on me because it was
talking about even closer to Mother Earth style that I think we all need. But
somehow, it started getting very -- the Civil Rights Movement had that approach
of, you know, doing things under nonviolence. Cesar Chavez was incredibly
strong in that, you know, to bring social justice --

JJ:

And you said you remember him.

FN:

Oh, yeah. I mean, he led a lot of people, but I’m just talking about in general of -what happened to our movement is that drugs completely invaded every single
organization down to the communities, and then the image of the (Spanish)
[01:13:52] started taking over. You know, from the civil rights, it went into -- the
Black Panthers came from there, the Brown Berets, [01:14:00] and it was like this
big, macho stance that it became so testosterone. You know, we started
adopting this imbalance within the movement that could’ve been more
progressive if we had kept balance with what you can call feminine energy or that
energy that Cesar Chavez had or that Gandhi had or Mother Teresa had. You
know, that energy of nurturing was sort of pushed to the side, and this other

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�forcefulness took place that went along with the institution that we have in
government, you know.
JJ:

So you felt that this new movement that was being created, the New Left, the
Brown Berets, the Black Panthers, the Young Lords, and all that --

FN:

Later --

JJ:

-- was just a macho movement. [01:15:00] And --

FN:

Uh-huh, became a macho movement, and I’m not saying it was that consciously.
I’m saying that because we lack education and critical analysis. Critical analysis
is so essential to the way we act because you start saying, “Well, wait a minute.
What did I do?” Again, you know, “If I do this today, how is it going to affect
seven generations ahead?” We don’t think like that, so the fact that you come
out as a big macho and forceful -- you know, what is this effect going to have on
your children, on elderlies looking at you on television or a movie or whatever?
We really have to understand what we’re doing. And of course, we’re going to
make mistakes, you know, but when you’re educated, it helps a little bit more.
And I’m not saying that you get educated in [01:16:00] higher institutions. I’m
saying education on your own where you explore, where you read on your own,
where you even hold book clubs; study groups, which is about the same. But
where you understand yourself, how you’re going to affect others, how it’s a
global, you know, village -- I mean, I just learned about the Gregorian time and
the 13 moons, that the ancients used to have a 13-month moon calendar. And it
was turned into a 12-month which became a machine for making money. Twelve
months, 60 minutes -- that’s what we live by. “How much money am I going to

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�make every hour,” instead of seeing the cycle of the moon is between [01:17:00]
women’s hips, you know? And that 13-month was -- you knew that the cycle of
the moon moved in 28 days completely, and you were in rhythm with the
cosmos. I mean, now we have to have special classes to connect us to the
cosmos, you know? Take a yoga class and, you know, go over there on the
other side of the world to do mantras or meditation. We all had it; it was part of
our nature. This is going back to the Indigenous understanding of respect and
love for nature. I told you I can talk forever.
JJ:

No, you’re doing fine.

FN:

Did you --

JJ:

So --

FN:

-- want a break?

JJ:

It’s up to you, but I don’t --

FN:

No, I don’t. Watch out for that.

JJ:

Okay, so what about the women that were involved? There were women in the
Panthers. There were women in the Brown Berets. [01:18:00] There were
women in the Young Lords.

FN:

The Young Lords.

JJ:

And the --

FN:

Well, you probably have a good idea. It’s that they probably felt left out, and they
became a meat market. You know, it was a place to go -- yeah, you became a
Brown Beret, but look at all the women that are going to come to you. (laughs)
Or they have the same -- women love men in uniform whether it’s a prison

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�uniform or a Brown Beret or a police or -- I don’t know. That’s a saying. I guess
it applies to everybody in a uniform, (Spanish) [01:18:36] the lack of the respect
of women taking leadership, I think, was one of the downfalls. And it continues to
be a downfall because you don’t see women that are for the common good in
leadership positions. Most likely, you will see women [01:19:00] as heads of -(Spanish) [01:19:01] COEs or people that are head of corporations? What -JJ:

CEOs?

FN:

CEOs, uh-huh. And they have done testing where these women have more
testosterone than the men because they have had to fight in this greedy,
masculine, profit-making world, you know. They have built up more testosterone
than men, and so this is the kind of woman you have in lead positions. But you
don’t have that nurturing, and any man that has this nurturing is considered soft.
I mean, I even remember Cesar Chavez being criticized because he was too
soft. He wasn’t strong and brutal and demanding, you know. He was a soft,
nurturing, inclusive -- he was incredible because I didn’t realize until a year ago
that one of his favorite songs was [01:20:00] De colores. And I always thought
that -- well, to me, it’s not a very romantic song. You know, most likely, I would
think of it a song for kids, but to him -- from what I understand, these women that
worked very, very close to him -- it was inclusive of everyone in the struggle for
workers’ rights, for the dignity of workers.

JJ:

Because De colores means “Different colors”?

FN:

Everybody, and that is amazing to --

JJ:

Like the colors of the rainbow. We had a rainbow coalition, so...

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�FN:

And I think that if it hadn’t have been for my understanding of what the United
Farm Workers were at that time, I would have been probably very much spaced
out of it completely, out of the movement, because you saw a lot of this
aggressiveness, [01:21:00] a lot of disrespect, drugs. Then getting into the same
pattern that exploiters get into -- you know, making money and to hell with
everybody else, or just focusing on the nuclear family and to hell with everybody
else; putting away the elders and, you know, having no respect for them. So the
United Farm Workers, even though it’s not as strong as it used to be, had one of
the greatest impacts. And probably one of my biggest foundations is -- because
you could say I got to see Christ in action, you know, and that was Cesar’s
image. Because when I left my house, one of my vows to myself was that I was
never going to get mixed up with a Mexicano because of [01:22:00] my father’s
role in my life. I said, “Man, these Mexicanos are not good, you know?” So
when I saw Cesar Chavez, it was unbelievable that a man in such big power -maybe he didn’t recognize his power. Maybe he did, but he didn’t abuse it, and
to me, that was so incredible. And I had that opportunity to be maybe -- oh, my
God, I sat next to him, so I will go back to that story. When Sylvia and I used to
hitchhike, we were going to San Francisco to party with my cousin who was in
the Third World Movement, right, one of the leaders. And I remember I had
these pink, plastic, hard rollers because we were going to go party, and we were
outside of this little town called [Yuha?] at a gas station. It was dark. It was
about [01:23:00] probably ten o’clock at night, and so I’m in the bathroom. You
know, we had stopped at this bathroom, and we’re going to get out back on the

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�freeway and start hitchhiking again. And she says, “Cesar’s here,” and I thought
she was talking about some guy at San Diego State. I said, “Oh, that guy! Can
he get away from us,” or something like that. So anyway, she’s serious now.
She says, “No, it’s Cesar Chavez.” I said, “What?!” You know, I couldn’t believe
it, so I walk out there. And sure enough, they saw us. You know, we were
coming out of the bathroom, (laughter) and I had this -- you know, they’re bright
pink rollers, hard plastic. And so, you know, I got so embarrassed because we
had been in Delano, and had been there helping out with the boycott with [?].
And I think, you know, we helped wherever we could. You know, we had gone
with the [Regretas?], who were very, very strong [01:24:00] as organizers and
everything else. They were very influential there, so I was afraid that he was
going to recognize me, but I guess, you know, he had too many people. He
didn’t, right, but he sent one of the guards over, and he says, “Cesar wants to
talk to you.” (laughter) I didn’t want to go because I was so embarrassed that the
only reason we were out hitchhiking was not to do any work for the common
good. We were out there to party. And so he said, “Well, what are you doing,”
and I lied to him. I said, “I have a very sick aunt in Fresno that I’m going to go
see.” I don’t know if he swallowed that story or not, but I sat in the backseat. I
remember sitting in the backseat, and my friend, I think, also -- they had two
guards and two dogs, or one dog. I don’t remember. And I remember I
questioned him about [01:25:00] nonviolence. I questioned him about the Black
Panthers, the violence, nonviolence, and he was, you know, very calm, very
patient. And one of the things I remember him talking -- because he used to say

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�stories are very simple to the people. And I know this because of the women that
I have connected with in Coachella that he used to tell stories to be able to grasp
the people’s attention at a very folk level. And he says, “I’m a leader, and I’m
going up the mountain.” He says, “But when I get to the top, I can’t continue
down because they will lose sight of me. I have to stay very close,” and so, you
know, that’s the way he would explain it. He couldn’t do anything without the
approval or acceptance or the [01:26:00] belief of the people that were
supporting his philosophy.
JJ:

What do you mean, close to the people? You mean that was his important
[thing?] --

FN:

And there was no way you could just lash out in front like a big egotripper.

JJ:

But you were challenging his nonviolence. You mentioned the Panthers and
that.

FN:

Yeah, because I was telling him --

JJ:

Was that your frame of reference, or...?

FN:

Well, because people had always said, “Oh, you know, he’s too soft, and you
know, we need people out there that really know how to knock teeth out and --”

JJ:

So at one point, you did believe in that?

FN:

Well, no, I would hear --

JJ:

Oh, you would hear it.

FN:

-- and I would question, and I would think, “Well, why?”

JJ:

I mean, because the Panthers were more into self-defense. They weren’t really
promoting violence, but --

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�FN:

Mm-hmm. But then again, it’s a lack of education, and on a personal basis, you
know these images that came across as very egoistic and very macho.
[01:27:00] Look at Chicago when they arrested those seven guys and -- who was
it, the guy that was the Black Panther?

JJ:

Oh, Bobby Seale, okay.

FN:

No, I don’t think it was Bobby Seale.

JJ:

Yeah, you mean the Chicago Eight trial?

FN:

Yeah, it was --

JJ:

Yeah, Bobby Seale was the eighth person.

FN:

But he didn’t want to cooperate with the other ones.

JJ:

Right, he felt it was important to be separated because of -- he was being
treated differently. He was an African American being treated different. He felt
that, you know, because of the --

FN:

See, but the way that comes out is that --

JJ:

We actually were taking people downtown when he was there.

FN:

Again, a lack of education because the way it comes out on the media is that he
just didn’t want anything to do with whities.

JJ:

No, absolutely not, because I remember the Panthers had a rainbow coalition.
We were part of that, and so was the Young Patriots.

FN:

(Spanish)? [01:27:55]

JJ:

Hillbillies were part of that, (laughs) so --

FN:

See, but --

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�JJ:

[01:28:00] -- hillbillies wearing the rebel flag and all that of the South on their field
jackets --

FN:

Confederates?

JJ:

The Confederate flag on their field jackets were part of the rainbow coalition that
Fred Hampton of Chicago -- Bobby Lee also -- organized at that time. So like
you said, the message was not that [race was?] --

FN:

The media portrayed them as very brutal and uneducated, and of course, the
drugs infiltrated everywhere. They connected them with drugs.

JJ:

And you said a real good point there. The media [dug?] into that. The media,
you know --

FN:

So the questions that I got to ask --

JJ:

Okay, so --

FN:

-- Cesar Chavez was, well, how did he feel about the image of, you know, this
force. And maybe not in those exact words, but I was fishing for understanding.

JJ:

So you’re anti-macho, but you’re still saying, [01:29:00] “How come you’re not a
macho?”

FN:

Because I was fishing for understanding.

JJ:

Oh, you were fishing, so you were playing devil’s advocate at that point, which --

FN:

Yeah, well, I guess to some extent --

JJ:

At that time.

FN:

-- but he was very staunch in his explanations. I mean, he never felt challenged
by me in no way. You know, here, I had these big old pink rollers on, probably -I don’t know. I just --

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�JJ:

Okay. Do you think that also maybe his movement was more mature than these
other movements that were just beginning, or -- I’m putting words in your mouth.

FN:

Yeah, well --

JJ:

Could that have been it too, or...?

FN:

-- I’ll tell you I thought there was more discipline, more respect, more dignity, and
there was less of this brutal image that came out. You know, [01:30:00]
(laughter) with the Brown Berets and with the shades, you know, they came out -

JJ:

Yeah, that’s how it was. I mean --

FN:

You never saw Cesar Chavez do that.

JJ:

-- we had people like that too because actually, what I meant -- for example, the
Teatro Chicana, right? I mean, in the beginning of any organization, any
movement, you know, there’s a lot of mistakes made. You know, it takes a while
before it gets mature to be more inclusive, so tell me about the Teatro Chicana.
How did that form?

FN:

You don’t want to --

JJ:

Because that was --

FN:

-- take a break? You don’t want to get a more comfortable chair?

JJ:

Yeah, I could take five seconds, so a second with the --

(break in audio)
JJ:

Okay, so as --

FN:

So in general, I think what I want to emphasize is education is not just learned in
a university or a classroom setting, that education is learning [01:31:00] the

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�inside of -- for example, I had no knowledge about the Black Panthers being so
expansive in their minds to be inclusive because the image I said that was
portrayed was that they were very macho, very into just Black people. That was
very, very strong. And everything else, you know, that is happening in our
movements is to emphasize the need to be critical and analytic (Spanish)
[01:31:39] we get a certain image of -- to understand, we really need to go further
than what is presented in front of us. And that goes for everything, so to be an
educated person is beyond a university credential. [01:32:00] It’s being a savant,
and to be able to intuit -JJ:

Savant?

FN:

Savant in understanding the need for people’s emotions to be interpreted in a
more objective way, to have respect for intuition or your gut feelings of certain
things that you don’t understand, but to explore it further; or go with your gut
feeling so that you’re able to progress.

JJ:

Okay, so you said --

FN:

So now, what happens -- one of the things that was always put out to us by the
macho mentality, and I’m talking about also women in the movement, was that
we were not [01:33:00] the same as the women’s liberation movement going on
at that time. And --

JJ:

What do you mean?

FN:

That, you know, we didn’t want to be identified with them, and yet, you know,
they were women. We all have vaginas in common, right, going back to the
common foundation. But the fact that we were a little bit more open -- we were

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�very glad that most of the Anglos at San Diego State got the first women’s
studies department recognized in the nation at San Diego State University.
JJ:

At San Diego State? Okay.

FN:

And that was outstanding, and they did have an influence on us because we
were saying, “Yeah, you know, we’re all women,” and we had something very,
very common there. But this whole thing was this fear. “Oh, you know what?
You’re not a woman liberator. You’re not a feminist,” you know, so what is a
feminist? What is the origin of feminist? [01:34:00] It means “minus faith”. Fe,
faith; minus, feminine. That jump came about in the Inquisition.

JJ:

Oh, really?

FN:

When the Catholic church was dominating the Indigenous spirituality or religions,
women that had knowledge of medicine, women that were independent and very
intelligent, were labelled feminist because they had no faith in a patriarchal
institution. So they were hunted down, tortured, burned, killed, and murdered in
massive amounts to wipe out that connection to nature, that connection to the
intelligence of being able to measure. Menstruation [01:35:00] is so much
connected to the 13 moons in a year. It’s connected to mental -- mind, moon.
It’s connected to Medusa, the goddess which stands for medicine measurement.
And women of those days learned how to use -- just like today, except now it’s
put in a pill form, and it’s more institutionalized from a college. Whereas at one
time, it was in the hands of women who knew how to use these medicines and
became savants in how to cure, how to alleviate pain in labor, but they became
witches. And even the term witch means “wit”, that you had wit. And under

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�dominating male supremist patriarchal religions, women [01:36:00] are not
supposed to be intelligent. I mean, even in the Bible, Eve wanted to have
intelligence, so she ate an apple. So from there, you know, we have our
foundation. Whether it’s very sanctioned, the sacred and whatnot, (Spanish)
[01:36:17] had that to go by. You know, “Hey, wait a minute. In the Bible, you
came from my rib,” and I’m going like, “You can shove that Bible wherever
because I’m not going to accept that.” So we have that foundation already in the
Chicano movement, and this struggle for being respected, for having dignity -because, you know, if you enjoyed sex, you were a slut. If you didn’t have sex,
you were labeled frigid or a lesbian. I mean, we got to a point where we said,
“So what? You know, [01:37:00] whatever you think -- what I’m doing is I’m
working towards a common good. That’s what’s important. That’s my action,
and whatever you want to label me because of your personal macho attitude also
coming from other women who...” Then, you know, it’s our action that’s going to
speak out, so we didn’t completely go with the women movement. I mean, we
stayed within our organization, but at the same time, without knowing, we had to
build the space. And I think that’s why the Teatro emerged because one of the
things that -JJ:

The Teatro Chicana, it was called?

FN:

The Teatro Chicana, but it was actually --

JJ:

It had different names, right? Did --

FN:

Actually, all of us were Chicanas, and the Teatro comes from a bigger group
because the women at that time in MEchA, you know, were feeling this sense of

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�disunity and disrespect, so we band together. And one of the things -- we said,
well, we needed to have a conference where we could [01:38:00] tell our mothers
who we were, what we had become, and what we saw. And even though we
didn’t want to be in the tradition of our mothers, we still wanted them to know
where we were going. And also, at the same time, we developed study groups.
The Woman Question was one of the books that we read.
JJ:

Oh, you did read The Woman Question?

FN:

And then from the women’s movement, we learned about the origin of the family
state and private property, which gives you a good background on a different
view of how all of this happened. You know, the concept of private property, the
government, the inferiority of women as a whole -- so it’s a very good book that
became a basis, you know, of our understanding. And we had study groups, and
then we developed into our --

JJ:

What was the study group or reading group?

FN:

A study group was where we all read the same material, [01:39:00] and then we
rehashed it. “I have a different view. You have a different view,” so we try to put
all these views to make sense of where our understanding takes us to have
some kind of common ground. And so one of the main things is that we wanted
to include our mothers, which became later on -- now as I read from an article, it
was very significant because nowhere in the women’s movement did they bring
the mothers into the changes that they were going through.

JJ:

Was this when the play --

FN:

Chicana Goes to College?

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�JJ:

Chicana Goes to College, okay.

FN:

You know, first, we had to separate from the family, the mother, the box of being
in a family and not moving from there. And then we move into the university
setting, which we find is conflict with trying to adjust because we came from -- we
were not college-prepared [01:40:00] students, so we were struggling in college,
you know. A lot of us dropped out. And okay, then we get into the Chicano
movement, and oh, my goodness -- slap in the face, you know? But we stayed,
and we struggled --

JJ:

What do you mean, slap?

FN:

Well, because of the disrespect. Like I said, you know, men could have all the
sex, and they were not downgraded. But if women had a lot of sex, they were
downgraded. Well, why? You know, what is this all about? So we were all in
the social justice movement. We were all there for equality, you know. What
was the double standard being played out, you know, within our social justice
movement? So the Teatro came out of a need to -- I guess what they call today
these fancy terms like a third space or sacred space maybe [01:41:00] where you
can express yourself; (Spanish), [01:41:03] your doubts. Because I mean, like I
said, you can be one of the most educated people, but you still make mistakes.
And we will always be learning, but it’s that experience of working through errors
and mistakes. It goes beyond what is learned in books, you know? It’s the
experience of walking hand-in-hand with education and experience, so the
Teatro became a sacred space, and I didn’t know it then. I didn’t understand the
importance of it.

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�JJ:

Well, how was it formed? I mean, what was the --

FN:

Well, one of the --

JJ:

-- first meeting of the Teatro?

FN:

-- first things that I always remember is Delia Ravelo, who was the cofounder.

JJ:

Okay, and who was she?

FN:

Delia Ravelo was about two years younger than I was. She came in in 1970. I
came in in 1968, [01:42:00] so I was already mature, you know.

JJ:

Came into the school?

FN:

San Diego State University. And I remember her being with [a black rose on?],
and really, she didn’t want to look at me. But I sort of searched for her, and when
she looked at me, it was like some kind of connection that I couldn’t understand
at the time. But I knew that there was this need for these younger women to
connect somehow with those of us that knew a little bit more, and then on, you
know, we worked in the organization. We mopped and we swept, but we also
wanted to do speeches, you know. We also had a mind --

JJ:

What organization?

FN:

MEchA.

JJ:

Oh, okay, so she came into MEchA, and you met in MEchA.

FN:

Yeah, we were all in it, and we were very active.

JJ:

So the Teatro came out of MEchA?

FN:

Yeah, the Chicanas came out of MEchA. The Chicanas was a bigger [01:43:00]
group of women. The Teatro came out of this group of women.

JJ:

Of the Chicanas?

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�FN:

Of Las Chicanas of San Diego State.

JJ:

So you have Chicanas that are separate from the other (Spanish)? [01:43:10]

FN:

Which other (Spanish)? [01:43:13]

JJ:

Because you said the Chicanas were a separate group of MEchA.

FN:

Well, Las Chicanas were the members of MEchA who were female, and so --

JJ:

As the --

FN:

-- from there, we formed the conference. And that conference is where the
Teatro emerged from.

JJ:

Okay, from MEchA --

FN:

Because (Spanish). [01:43:35]

JJ:

Okay, I’m thinking MEchA --

FN:

(Spanish) [01:43:40] --

JJ:

-- is a woman’s group, but it’s not a woman’s group. It’s everyone. MEchA’s
everybody.

FN:

The female members of MEchA --

JJ:

Okay, the female members of MEchA.

FN:

-- at that time. And maybe some of them weren’t even members of MEchA, but -

JJ:

Yeah, some of the --

FN:

-- we sort of magnetized towards each other.

JJ:

So the female members of MEchA [01:44:00] organized this Teatro?

FN:

No, organized the conference.

JJ:

Organized the conference.

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�FN:

And from the conference, some of the women wanted, through poetry, dancing,
song, Teatro, a history panel, to do this for our mothers. So all of us were in the
same group, but we divided into doing different types of presentations for our
mothers. We became the Teatro because --

JJ:

And what was the first things that you did as a group?

FN:

We did Chicana Goes to College, which is the female --

JJ:

The play?

FN:

Yeah.

JJ:

Can you describe something of the --

FN:

She leaves the house. She gets into the university, conflicts with the university
and the superstructure and racism, and then the third stage is inequality within
her own movement [01:45:00] for social justice. So that was the foundation of
Teatro Chicana, although I thought that it was only going to be for our mothers.
But the ones that moved it forward was Delia Ravelo because as always, we
were always very active in MEchA. We were organizing a recruiting conference.
It’s an annual conference -- I still think it goes on -- where you get buses for all
the high school students around San Diego and ship them into a big auditorium
in San Diego, and then talk about recruitment and the opportunities of college
and whatnot. So she says, “Well, we should do that (Spanish) [01:45:38] for the
recruitment conference,” and I said, “No, that was for our mothers.” And then
she says, “But it still applies because it’s pushing forward the need for
education.” And so, you know, Delia Ravelo and Peggy Garcia were the ones
that really pushed it, and from then on, you know, we kept [01:46:00] on. You

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�know, then the book explains the stages of Teatro Chicana, which goes into
Teatro Laboral, which goes into -JJ:

Which book is that?

FN:

It’s called Teatro Chicana, edited by Laura Garcia, Sandra Guiterrez, and myself.

JJ:

Okay. That’s a recent book that came out, or...?

FN:

In 2008 --

JJ:

Two thousand eight?

FN:

-- published by the University of Texas, and I guess this is where Laura comes in.

JJ:

Well, yeah. I mean, you can kind of describe it if you want to move [into it or?] --

FN:

No, I think she can take over.

JJ:

Okay. Well, let me ask you then about the murals at the church. Okay, what --

FN:

Well, the reason I went to Chicago -- I think I was 19 or 20, and I was going to go
see you. I was going to go be with you, but that didn’t happen. (laughs)

JJ:

Okay. But I mean, how was that --

FN:

Well, that’s part of the murals. So when [01:47:00] you and I did not become an
item in more or less terms, then I still had three weeks’ vacation. And my plane
ticket, you know, was for three weeks that I was going to stay in Chicago, and so
since I was at that time already with the intentions of becoming a registered
nurse, there was a clinic set up. And I remember --

JJ:

In the --

FN:

In the church, uh-huh.

JJ:

-- People’s Church? Okay.

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�FN:

And so I started volunteering there. I said, “You know, just because you have a
personal breakup in a relationship, what does that mean?” That’s sad, you know,
but still, at that time -- to me, you know, you were my first revolutionary love, so I
love --

JJ:

Okay, but I don’t understand. How did you come to Chicago? What was the --

FN:

Because of you. Because of our revolutionary love that we had through letters.

JJ:

But when did we meet?

FN:

We met in Denver, Colorado.

JJ:

Oh, the Denver, Colorado conference, okay.

FN:

Mm-hmm. And so I started volunteering [01:48:00] at the clinic, and I --

JJ:

But did we establish a relationship in Denver, Colorado? I mean, I --

FN:

We connected as long distance lovers. (laughs)

JJ:

Oh, okay, I see.

FN:

Yeah, we wrote letters, and I have one of your letters.

JJ:

Okay, so you definitely have proof, great. (laughs)

FN:

Yes, so --

JJ:

Okay, so we connected. So we were writing letters?

FN:

Yes, uh-huh.

JJ:

At that point, okay. But then when you came to Chicago, I was married or -- I
wasn’t married legally.

FN:

You were with another woman --

JJ:

I was with someone else.

FN:

-- more or less.

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�JJ:

And that’s what happened. I was a clown.

FN:

That and whatever, but anyway, it was a disappointment. But still, you know, our
love was bigger than just you and me, right, because we claimed our love for the
people.

JJ:

For the movement, so --

FN:

So I stayed around at the clinic and volunteered, and then I had the younger
Young Lords -- I guess, you know, your peer group that used to hang around.
It’s Cosmo and [01:49:00] Tarzan and --

JJ:

Yeah, we had --

FN:

-- [Comraddy?].

JJ:

-- different levels of the Young Lord. We had a local branch, a state branch, and
the national branch.

FN:

Well, I was just with the locals that hung around the neighborhood. And what
was so strange is that the Latin Kings used to hang out --

JJ:

They hung out there too, uh-huh.

FN:

-- a lot more than the Young Lords.

JJ:

Yeah, they hung out more on the street.

FN:

But the Young Lords, like I said -- Comraddy, Tarzan, Cosmo -- were around a
lot, and so we started cleaning the place, you know, because after you stay a
while, you say, “God, that’s messy,” you know? You start cleaning, so we were
putting things away and throwing stuff away, and we came to this closet full of
paints. And I told Cosmo or -- I don’t remember who it was -- Tarzan or
someone, “Hey, what’s all this,” you know? “Oh, that’s paint that they use for the

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�church.” I said, “Oh, isn’t this going to waste, or is it going to be used?” He says,
“Oh, you know, well, we thought about putting a sign --”
JJ:

Well, [01:50:00] it came from the hardware store. It was a donation.

FN:

Oh, okay. “So we were thinking of putting a sign up, ‘The Young Lords’, in front
of the church.” And I said, “Well, why don’t you guys do it? The paint’s here. Do
it.” And so I think somebody did volunteer. I don’t remember who it was, but
they were doing the letters so crooked. I said, “You know, I can do better than
that, right?” Not that I was trying to put down the brother, but --

JJ:

But you were an artist.

FN:

No, I wasn’t an artist. I mean, I loved artists --

JJ:

You were --

FN:

-- and I was going to school to become a registered nurse, but I always wanted to
be an actor. And so the first one we did was Che Guevara, and I said, “Well, you
know, I can do the print.” And they say, “Well, how about doing this?” You know,
and so then --

JJ:

And then Che Guevara was right by the door, and I think it said “Young Lords
Organization” or “National Young Lords”, something like that. Do you have a
picture?

FN:

Yeah, I have a picture of it. [01:51:00] And then from there, one time --

JJ:

Lower it and hold it up to the camera there for --

FN:

-- you showed up.

JJ:

Oh, you have a picture of the church back then too.

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�FN:

Yeah. This is how I looked when we met in Denver, Colorado. This is me talking
at the Denver, Colorado conference.

JJ:

You spoke there also? Okay.

FN:

Yeah, a little bit. I don’t know where this picture is.

JJ:

But the picture of the church is -- I mean, if it’s showing the murals. There’s none
with murals.

FN:

Yeah, these are the murals that Carlos Flores took pictures of. Otherwise, we
would have no knowledge about ’em, but --

JJ:

Actually, we have some photos too of the church.

FN:

Oh, yeah?

JJ:

Both Carlos and some of -- there’s a confusion of who was there.

FN:

Well, he was one of the main ones taking pictures at the time with a rinky-dinky
camera. Oh, yeah --

JJ:

There it is.

FN:

-- this is it, and it doesn’t look like Che Guevara.

JJ:

Okay, hold on one second.

FN:

But that was an attempt of the image at that time [01:52:00] to put forward.

JJ:

Okay, bring it up a little bit. Okay, there you go. Okay, so you painted Che
Guevara and “National Headquarters Young Lords Organization”?

FN:

Yes, uh-huh.

JJ:

Okay, so you painted our --

FN:

So then from there, I went on --

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�JJ:

What do you call the sign of an organization in the front? Our logo. You just
painted the -- that wasn’t our logo, but that was our --

FN:

Uh-huh. I didn’t paint the one in the front of the church.

JJ:

You didn’t paint that big logo?

FN:

No, I didn’t.

JJ:

Oh, I thought that was you.

FN:

No, that was somebody else.

JJ:

Oh, so that was Peter Clark. Peter Clark was the other muralist, okay.

FN:

Yeah, no, I didn’t. I --

JJ:

Okay, I’m sorry. I thought that was you. Okay, but you painted Che.

FN:

But again, I was so mad at you, okay? You came one time, and you said, “Oh,
you should do this,” and so I sort of did follow it. I did Emeterio Betances, Lolita
Lebrón --

JJ:

That one was specific, I remember.

FN:

-- Pedro Albizu Campos, and then the last one -- I said, “I’m going to do one of
myself.” Not myself specifically, but --

JJ:

Adelita [01:53:00] de --

FN:

-- Adelita de Aztlán.

JJ:

Okay, but I did tell you to paint the ones --

FN:

Yeah, you went around one time, and you said, “I want you to do it.” But, you
know, I was going to be flying out in a couple of days, and then I was so mad at
you anyways, so yeah, I said, “No, I’m leaving, you know. I can’t do it,” or
whatever. So you must have gotten somebody else to do it.

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�JJ:

Oh, you didn’t paint those?

FN:

Not the logo in front of the church, just everything on the side.

JJ:

So you put the --

FN:

All of the murals on the side are mine.

JJ:

Okay, if you could put that close to the camera --

FN:

But you can’t -- it’s not a very good picture.

JJ:

But if you put it close, you can see the --

FN:

Yeah, all of these on the side, I did; five, actually.

JJ:

On the side of the church.

FN:

And the one on the front must have been by Peter Clark, you said?

JJ:

Yeah, Peter Clark was the other muralist. And if you put --

FN:

(Spanish)? [01:53:44]

JJ:

Yeah, there you go. Leave it right there. Okay, so you painted those right there
on the side of the church.

FN:

All on the side, Emeterio Betances --

JJ:

Lolita Lebrón.

FN:

Lolita Lebrón --

JJ:

And then --

JJ:

-- and Pedro Albizu [01:54:00] Campos.

JJ:

Right, okay, because --

FN:

And that came out of an attraction for you, all of those murals. But like I said, you
know, I always understood my attraction to you -- that was my first revolutionary
love, so it was bigger than just the two of us.

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�JJ:

Right, and [I couldn’t be?] --

FN:

And the murals were that explosion into a bigger part of us, and that’s how they
got done.

JJ:

Okay, we definitely appreciated it. They’ve had an impact for the community,
and it, you know...

FN:

You know, I remember people used to stop and look at them, and they’d say,
“Oh, she’s a gypsy.” They didn’t know who I was. “She’s a teacher that was --”

JJ:

Oh, while you were painting it, you mean?

FN:

Yeah. And then I remember people would feed me sometimes because I mean,
geez, you know, I was there with nothing. And I got fed, you know, and then --

JJ:

Because we had [01:55:00] food with the breakfast program and all that stuff --

FN:

And then Hilda also --

JJ:

-- so everybody kind of ate. Oh, you met Hilda at that time?

FN:

Oh, yeah, I was living with Hilda. I stayed with Hilda. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have
had a place --

JJ:

Oh, was it Hilda Ignatin, or another Hilda? An older woman or a younger --

FN:

No, younger. She was --

JJ:

Oh, Hilda --

FN:

Yeah, Hilda.

JJ:

-- [Torres?].

FN:

That’s how come I remember her so well because without her, I wouldn’t have
had a place to stay. And she allowed me to stay there, and I could come and go
as I pleased, you know, so that was very helpful.

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�JJ:

So I mean, you’re coming in there talking about image. You know, we were a
gang. I mean, we didn’t incubate. We went right from the gang into the political
group, so we made a lot of mistakes because --

FN:

Oh, we all did.

JJ:

-- of that. Where other groups were able to sit back and do a study group or
something, we just went right into that. But I mean, can you describe the -- when
you first come here, [01:56:00] I mean, you’re expecting one thing, but you still
saw those people working. How were they? I mean, we’re just right out of the
gang, you know, but how did you see it?

FN:

Well, I know they had the slogans, right, because as soon as I left the airport
when I got into Chicago, I got on a taxi. Get off the taxi, see you with another
woman, and then there was a parade -- Puerto Rican Day, July. And all of the
slogans -- everybody was well aware of Libre Puerto Rico and --

JJ:

In the neighborhood, you mean?

FN:

Yeah, right there at the side of the church, people were organizing for the march.
And all of these community -- like Cosmo --

JJ:

Oh, so we’re having a demonstration as you come in?

FN:

And we march.

JJ:

And it’s about Free Puerto Rico?

FN:

Mm-hmm.

JJ:

Is it --

FN:

But it was Puerto Rican Day. It was a big parade in Chicago, and [01:56:00] we
didn’t have a license or permission to be in that parade, but there we were.

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�JJ:

We got in. That’s what I remember, right.

FN:

Uh-huh, and I mean, I said, “Dang,” you know?

JJ:

And we got in, and we’re talking about Free Puerto Rico, right?

FN:

Yes, uh-huh.

JJ:

Yeah, I remember [I had a girlfriend?], and this is probably [why you remember
that one?]. So you came in right at that moment as we --

FN:

And I was in the parade without permission from the authorities.

JJ:

(laughs) And we went right in.

FN:

Yeah, we were in there, so I knew that there was a lot of heart. There was a lot
of poverty. There was a lot of ignorance, but there was this willingness to --

JJ:

Poverty? What do you mean?

FN:

When I went to the store on the corner, the vegetables were bad, you know, to
me. Coming from an agricultural rural community where they looked so beautiful,
you know, I just thought, “Wow.” And then where I stayed with Hilda -- I mean, it
was infested. I remember it [01:58:00] being infested with roaches, you know,
because --

JJ:

You’re talking about somebody else’s house now. (laughs)

FN:

Well, no, the apartments that people lived in -- very crowded, very dark, and you
know, dingy.

JJ:

But was it in that community?

FN:

Uh-huh.

JJ:

Okay, so what --

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�FN:

Yeah, I used to walk every day to the church to continue painting, and so I
remember that. And then I remember that people don’t have access to
recreation, so the hydrants were open, the water hydrants.

JJ:

So they were open. Yeah, I --

FN:

And then one time, the police came and shut ’em off twice. And the third time,
they showed up with billy clubs and paddy wagons, and people got arrested and
everything. I mean, that was one of the first kind -- I mean, I was sort of
shocked. I was barefooted because, you know, we had been going in and out of
the water, and I had been painting, you know. And I just went to get my feet
cooled off, and they had the congas. You remember everybody used to play the
congas? And everybody [01:59:00] came out of their little what you call ratholes,
I guess, or their little houses or places that they had. And all the children playing,
dancing, and running, and the mothers, you know, gossiping -- I mean, it was
very, very community, and all the congas were fabulous. You know, the
heartbeat of that beautiful darkness was there, and yet -- you know, so much
light and water and children running, and people in the community. And the third
time when the cops showed up, they showed up with all of this force, you know,
and they stood in a row. And, you know, I remember they started -- I said, “What
are they going to do,” you know? And so they started charging, and somebody
says, “Run!” Somebody grabbed me, and we were running through the alleys in
broken glass. You know, I cut my feet and [02:00:00] everything. We were
hiding behind trash cans, and I remember the cops coming and banging the trash

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�cans looking for anybody, I guess, they could get a hold of. And people did get
arrested that evening, so that was an eye-opener for me.
JJ:

But the community -- how did they feel towards the Young Lords?

FN:

Well, they all looked very at peace, and they were enjoying the congas. And they
were enjoying whatever little scenery there was. You know, part of the murals
were already done, little skinny trees that they had.

JJ:

So they’re hanging out by the mural and by the church outside in the summer?
Okay, and then when --

FN:

So that was a very different kind of atmosphere that I hadn’t experienced
because first of all, you know, those hydrants had been turned off twice, and we
weren’t [02:01:00] doing wrong, you know. But then there was so much comfort
and so much delight in that fountain of water spurting everywhere, and
everybody got wet. It was like a cleansing, refreshing -- and that’s all they could
do. I mean, we couldn’t go in a boat cruise and, you know, be waited on. I
mean, that was the heighth of entertainment recreation.

JJ:

So the Young Lords -- you didn’t see them marching all over the place formal or
anything like that. Would you say they were formal or informal, or...?

FN:

Well, we were very infor-- I’m saying we because I was with them, and there was
nothing really formal to be about. It was just everyday trying to survive, everyday
existence. And you could say, well, that was very dull, but if you didn’t make that
space or [02:02:00] you didn’t bring that inspiration, it was almost like a dead
silence. But it had to come out of you to put out.

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�JJ:

Yet, people were cleaning the church, you were painting murals, and there was
programs in the church.

FN:

Oh, yeah, people were coming in to be medically assisted.

JJ:

How would you describe the clinic there?

FN:

Well, it was attending the community.

JJ:

I mean, did it look like a regular clinic?

FN:

Well, I mean, I’ve seen better places, but they were doing their best. I think the
guy that was working was Martha and Alberto.

JJ:

Alberto Chaviro, right. He was there at the clinic.

FN:

Very, very devoted people. I mean, just --

JJ:

He was the master of health, yeah.

FN:

-- good people from the heart, you know? They just weren’t doing it to show off
or --

JJ:

And actually, he wasn’t Puerto Rican.

FN:

Yeah, he was Mexicano.

JJ:

So Chicago had other [02:03:00] Latinos, right, not just Puerto Ricans, although
we were supporting independence for Puerto Rico. So Alberto Chaviro was
Mexicano.

FN:

(Spanish) [02:03:11] Martha.

JJ:

(Spanish) [02:03:12] Martha, and there were others at the clinic.

FN:

And that’s how I got close to them because I worked at the clinic and --

JJ:

You did work at the clinic?

FN:

Yeah, I volunteered.

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�JJ:

Okay, but see --

FN:

I mean, remember, you and I didn’t continue, but I had the opportunity to invest
more time in what was going on, definitely. It probably would’ve been the same
whether I had been with you or not, but I was volunteering at the clinic. And
that’s how we discovered the paint when we started cleaning other areas of that
church; the basement or the kitchen or the closets. And, you know, that’s how
we discovered it.

JJ:

But it wasn’t disrespectful. I mean, it was because I was with someone else at
that time. I wasn’t being disrespectful to you or to what [02:04:00] we -- you
know what I’m saying?

FN:

No.

JJ:

You didn’t take it like that, but I was trying to be respectful at that time. No?

FN:

I don’t know. (laughs)

JJ:

Okay, you don’t --

FN:

I just know that --

JJ:

Okay, well, it didn’t work out then.

FN:

-- yeah, you and I did not become an item like they say. But, you know, I knew
that you and I were bigger than just us. I knew that.

JJ:

Okay, I appreciate that. Okay, so I’m just trying to describe the clinic because I
think you’re very good at describing things. And I’m trying to -- you know, if you
can describe not just the clinic, but I mean, how it functioned and -- what do you
recall?

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�FN:

Well, I remember Alberto being the doctor. And of course, when a patient comes
in, you take their blood pressure; you know, the elementary stuff that determines,
you know, their condition further on. And the people felt, you know, [02:05:00]
pretty comfortable going in there. And of course, the people that attended them,
you know, like Alberto and Martha -- their hearts were in it, so I think that made a
big difference in the way the program was run with the very little that we had. We
had more love to give than anything else, but they did their best in those
conditions.

JJ:

What about some of the other volunteers?

FN:

To tell you the truth --

JJ:

What type of people were they? I mean, I --

FN:

They were in their -- probably not credentialed, but they did the best they could.
And I don’t remember too much, the other people, to tell you the truth, but the
whole spirit of that clinic was to serve and not [02:06:00] for profit, not for greed.
It was to serve at a human level.

JJ:

In fact, did anybody pay money to come to the clinic, or...?

FN:

I don’t think people had money to pay.

JJ:

So it was a free clinic?

FN:

Yeah, it was a free clinic.

JJ:

It was a free -- now, what about the breakfast for children program? That was
run out of the church too. Were you familiar with that?

FN:

I really didn’t get to see that.

JJ:

So you didn’t work on that one?

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�FN:

No.

JJ:

Okay, but you did some there with the mural. They were talking about a daycare
center at that time. Did you --

FN:

No.

JJ:

No, you didn’t see that, did you?

FN:

No, I basically --

JJ:

That was later because when you --

FN:

-- was just at the clinic and stayed at the church.

JJ:

But you were there when it was just getting painted and started in the
neighborhood clinic. They were painting the inside too. That’s why we got the
paint. There were murals inside too, no?

FN:

I don’t remember seeing murals inside.

JJ:

Okay, that was Peter Clark. He put in --

FN:

Yes, because then when I did the side, then the front came on later.

JJ:

[02:07:00] Oh, that came later. Okay, that’s the “Tengo Puerto Rico En Mi
Corazón” sign, but you did Che.

FN:

Yeah, I did Che --

JJ:

You definitely did Che.

FN:

-- and the other five murals.

JJ:

Yeah, you did five murals, okay, the other murals. Okay, you didn’t do the
People’s Church one. There was a People’s Church one too. That was Peter?

FN:

Correct.

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�JJ:

Okay, all right. Okay, so you go back from there. And then where did you get
involved after that? You’re still with the Teatro, or no?

FN:

Oh, yeah, the Teatro went on for 12 years after we got out of the college, and
then we got into the community. And we were able to keep it for 12 years. And
then after that, I moved up north, and of course, later come back and reconnect.
But Delia and I never disconnected, Delia Ravelo, so that’s when the idea started
brewing -- [02:08:00] and I guess Laura can tell you this. You know, she took a
class, and she wrote this article about her participation or her days in Teatro, and
people got very interested. And then Suzanne Oboler told her, you know, that
that could be published. And then she showed up at a reunion, and then that’s
when we all started getting the idea, “Well, we should all do the same and put a
book together.” But of course, like everybody else has their dreams, Delia
Ravelo and I were going to be writers. When her last child left from her house to
go to college, that’s when we were going to start, but Delia got very sick with
stage four cancer, and she struggled. She was able to --

JJ:

She’s still alive, or no?

FN:

No. She was able to live another 18 months, and during that time, this idea
started building up. She was able to write her story, [02:09:00] and I was able to
help her because she was very debilitated. You know, but Laura actually started
moving us sooner than what we expected because of that. But Delia passed
away, and of course, you know, I was very angry because we were supposed to
be writers, and her last child was going out of the house. But I will never -- she’s

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�always with me. And from that first time that I saw her -- she’s always with me,
well, in a way. (laughs)
JJ:

Okay, yeah. Well, thank you very much.

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                <text>Felícitas Nuñez lives in Bermuda Dunes, California. She and Delia Ravelo are co-founders of Teatro de Las Chicanas. The concept began when women of Movimiento Estudíantil Chicano de Aztlán (MEChA) brought their mothers to a university setting. There they organized a “Seminario de Chicanas” so that the mothers could understand what their daughters were going through. They wrote and performed “Chicana Goes to College.” And as a result of the audience’s positive response, Ms. Nuñez and Ms. Ravelo formed the Teatro de Las Chicanas. In the beginning years the core group consisted of just Ms. Ravelo and Ms. Nuñez, but many young women participated in the Teatro. Though working in San Diego, they were influenced by the leftist political ideals of the San Francisco Mime Troupe. They also united with the objectives of the Chicano Movement which included, among other things, social justice, bilingual education, and unionization. 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The Young Lords won all their demands, including $50,000 seed money for two free health clinics, $25,000 to open up the People’s Law Office which still operates today, and $650,000 to be invested by the seminary in low-income housing. One week earlier, the Young Lords had occupied a huge United Methodist Church on Dayton and Armitage, which they were in the process of transforming to become the Young Lords National Headquarters. The church would also house their Free Community Day Care Center, Free Dental and Health Clinic, and Free Breakfast for Children Program. All these programs were modeled after the Black Panther Party programs, of which the Young Lords had recently also connected via Fred Hampton’s Rainbow Coalition that Field Marshall Bobby Lee had also helped to broker. After the take-over of the church, the Young Lords quickly made amends. They did not want to disrupt any church service. When asked by the press if the Young Lords were going to allow the church to hold service, Mr. Jiménez quickly responded, “that it was not really a take over as the doors were now open to everyone, and that he and other Young Lords were planning on attending the services, being led by Rev. Bruce Johnson.” Some members of the congregation left but the Young Lords started meetings with the rest of the congregation, and together they designed the People’s Church symbol and produced a button that showed chains being broken. The Young Lords were cleaning up the church and adding needed paint when Ms. Nuñez arrived and volunteered to organize a group of muralists. Inside the church, Ron Clark and others were painting a mural of Puerto Rican history in the gymnasium. Outside, Ms. Nuñez’s group painted the Young Lords symbol of ”Tengo Puerto Rico En Mi Corazón” or “I have Puerto Rico in my Heart.” This lettering was in purple, with a green map of Puerto Rico, and a brown fist holding a rifle. (It had been designed by Ralph “Spaghetti” Rivera and Mr. Jiménez. The first buttons were printed at the Green Duc Button Company at Lake Street and Halsted). Other murals that Ms. Nuñez and her volunteers painted on the church walls were images of Adelita, Emiliano Zapata, Lolita Lebrón, and Don Pedro Albizu Campos. Someone else, probably Ron Clark, painted Che Guevara by the side entrance to the office, with the lettering “Young Lords National Headquarters.” These wonderful murals could not be overlooked in Lincoln Park. Not only were they featured in the news, but Lincoln Park residents would drive by and stop in to see the various programs and activities, making People’s Church the center of the Lincoln Park neighborhood. By then most Puerto Ricans had been forced out of Lincoln Park and there was also plenty of room for others to join the Young Lords Movement. Hispanos representing all Latino nations joined the Young Lords, including members of other minorities, middle class individuals, workers, the very poor, and students. The Lincoln Park Poor People’s Coalition was formed and Mr. Jiménez was voted president. The Northside Cooperative Ministry, of which Rev. Bruce Johnson was a prominent member, was also established during this period, and it supported the Poor People’s Coalition and the Young Lords. Just sixty days before Mark Clark and Fred Hampton were shot to death, assassinated in a predawn raid led by State’s attorney Edward Hanrahan, Rev. Bruce Johnson and his wife Eugenia were also discovered in their beds stabbed multiple times, in a cold case that remains unsolved. The Eulogy was given at the church with Young Lords fully participating, providing security and traffic control. There was also a spontaneous march through the Lincoln Park Community where Rev. Bruce Johnson worked with the poor. Ms. Nuñez left Chicago unaware of the impact she had made in the Puerto Rican community and in Lincoln Park. The Teatro Chicana did participate in the impromptu Lincoln Park Camp in Michigan in the 2000 and the Young Lords 40th Anniversary celebration in Chicago in 2008.</text>
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Ernest Nunley
(01:02:35)
(00:15) Background Information
• Ernest was in the 5th service squadron of the 8th Air Force during World War Two
• He started out as a private and ended as a sergeant
• Ernest was inducted in Oklahoma City on December 4, 1941
• He began basic training when Pearl Harbor was attacked
• He spent 6 months in Mississippi for basic training and then went to Virginia
• He spent 4 months in Syracuse New York and then went to Fort Dix in New Jersey
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largest ships only carried 3,000 or so] troops
(5:15) 5 Months in NE England
• There was an air raid right after they reached their barracks
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(13:40) The Air Force
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training because he had enlisted before being drafted
• The Air Force [Army Air Corps at this time] had told them that they would send him to
school, but that never happened
• On his first day in the service, they received immunization shots and their uniforms
• He got some time on furlough in Syracuse because his dad had a heart attack
(17:20) Boot Camp
• Boot Camp was very rough and there was lots of marching
• It was very hot and they had to work all day long
• He sometimes had KP from 2am until 10pm; they had to feed 3,000 troops
• They had to clean pots that were 8 feet wide and 6 feet tall
• Ernest communicated with his family by mail
(26:00) England
• The country was similar to the US, but there was less technology

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The English were all very strong
He was a welder in a shop that worked on repairing planes
Ernest never experienced any combat
During Christmas of 1944, many bombs his their air base and killed a whole crew

(41:05) Crew Members
• They wanted to get him drunk because they knew that he did not drink that much
• They slipped him a bunch of whiskey at a dance and he had to ride his bike home
• He woke up the next day on the road next to his bike
(43:50) Entertainment
• There were dancing and music entertainers; Bob Hope and Joan Stafford
• They made friends with some of the locals and Ernest was invited to a wedding ceremony
• He was able to go to Scotland on leave for 3 days
(50:45) Showing of Pictures

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Veterans History Project Interview
Vietnam
Stephen Nyenhuis
Total Time – (38:41)

Background
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He was born on April 11, 1949 (00:04)
He was born in Princeton, Minnesota (00:27)
o At the age of 2, his family moved to Grand Rapids, Michigan
In Grand Rapids he went to Southwest Christian High School until the sixth grade
(00:53)
o He then attended South High School in Grand Rapids (01:00)
o Halfway through the eighth grade he quit school
He worked for a bakery, laundromat, and then was drafted into the Army (01:16)
He had three brothers
o His oldest brother has passed away
o His brother Mark served in the military for four years (01:50)
 He served in West Berlin decoding messages

Enlistment/Training – (02:32)
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He served in Vietnam from April 1969 – May 31, 1970 (02:40)
When he was drafted it just felt like it was something he had to do for the country
(03:11)
o His family was very proud of him
When he left for Vietnam he was very sad (03:36)
o Once he got going he felt better
o His brothers were very sad when he left
o They were able to stay in contact (03:58)
He was transported from Grand Rapids to Detroit via bus (04:18)
o In Detroit he received his physical
o After a few days he received his orders to go to Fort Knox, Kentucky for
basic training
He spent eight weeks in Fort Knox for basic training (04:37)
Basic training was fun and easy for him compared to other units
o There was a lot of testing
o They would do physical exercising, marching, etc. (05:02)

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o Looking back, he wishes that he would have been part of a unit that had
more rigorous training – he would feel like he was more a part of the
service (05:52)
 Most of the time he did just enough to get by
He then spent twelve weeks in AIT (Advanced Individual Training) (06:13)
o In AIT he spent a lot of time in classrooms, doing tests to see what his
strengths were, etc.
o After the testing he was told that he was best suited for being a typist
He went to his Company Commander and they mutually decided to send him to
another base where he could be a military policeman (07:05)
o He was sent to Fort Gordon, Georgia (07:16)
After a background check at Fort Gordon, they found that his background check
was not good enough to be an MP
He was sent to Fort Polk, Louisiana to learn how to be a truck driver (07:38)
In between Fort Gordon and Fort Polk he served on coal duty
o He was at Fort Polk for eight-ten weeks
After a two week break he returned to Fort Polk where he received his orders for
Vietnam (09:04)
o At the time he was glad to go because he felt like he was serving his
country (09:35)
o If he had to do it over again he would go to Canada (09:48)
 He believes that America “has no business sticking our noses in
other peoples countries when our own country is in such chaos”
(10:06)
 He believes that most wars are just for financial gain

Active Duty – (10:32)
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He was sent from Oakland, California to Anchorage, Alaska to Japan, and
eventually landed in Vietnam
The flight over was cheerful because the stewardesses would try to keep the
soldiers in a happy mood (10:59)
o They knew that some of the soldiers would not return
Many of the Vietnamese people spoke English (11:35)
o He was able to learn some of the Vietnamese language
The Vietnamese were nice to the Americans when they were working for them
(12:04)
o In combat areas some Vietnamese would go to help the Americans – once
they were on the American bases they would be found out to be North
Vietnamese trying to kill Americans
o He never came in contact with Vietnamese that were unfriendly (12:55)
o Sometimes the Vietnamese seemed happy that the Americans were there
o There were women that would go in and wash their things
o There were Vietnamese that would help the Americans load supplies
(13:37)

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 They would be paid to help
He received his money from the Army – they were paid once a month (14:11)
o He made roughly $350 every month (14:18)
o There were PX’s (Post Exchange) where soldiers could spend their money
 Soldiers could buy cigarettes, alcohol, and just about anything
o Soldiers could save up their money and go on vacation (14:46)
He was in Vietnam for thirteen months
o He extended for twenty-eight days so that he could get “Early Out”
(15:08)
o He found out about the Early Out six months after he was in Vietnam
When he found out that he would leave early he was happy (16:24)
o He was excited to go home and try to be a normal person again
His main job in Vietnam was to drive a Sergeant major and a Major around
o He never really had to drive them very much – he just had to keep the
vehicle clean (16:50)
o He would sometimes drive them to airports (17:16)
o He never had conversations with them
He then transferred to a transportation outfit hoping to go on convoys (17:55)
During the last two months that he was in Vietnam he fixed flat tires (18:24)
o They would go to a few outposts but they would mostly pick up supplies
that came in on airplanes
o They would pick up 2x4 plywood, tools, etc. (19:07)
On the convoys, there were usually two vehicles in front that were meant for
protection
o There would be 5-20 vehicles in the convoy and two vehicles for
protection in the back as well
o The significance of a convoy was to supply outposts that were running low
on supplies (19:57)
o The convoys never ran into any kind of combat or warfare
He sometimes wishes that he had gone into the combat
o He believes that it will not show on his record but he had requested to be
transferred to a combat unit (20:43)
 He was turned down for the combat unit
o If he had gone into combat and done some of the things that were in his
thoughts at the time, there is a good chance that he could not live with
himself (21:35)
 He believes he would have been the type of person that would cut
ears off and wear them around his neck (21:47)
His daily routine was to get up early, eat breakfast, and receive orders
His job of fixing flat tires was essentially an eight hour/day job (23:11)
There were no other men in his unit that expressed a desire to go into combat
(24:23)
o The soldiers typically did what they had to do to get by
He was able to form relationships with a couple of other soldiers, but for the most
part he was “a loner” (24:39)
o To this day he is still “a loner”

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At the time, Vietnam was what the country asked him to do so he did not question
it (25:20)
o He was simply doing what his country asked of him

After the Service – (25:36)
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After he served in Vietnam and came back, he did not do much for a few months
(25:54)
He eventually returned to his job at the bakery (26:02)
o He stayed at the bakery for one year
He took a lot of different jobs and spent a lot of time hitchhiking around the
United States (26:17)
When he returned his family met him at the airport (26:36)
o His church had a welcome back for him as well
He was able to maintain contact with his family while in Vietnam
o He received roughly one letter every week from his family (27:41)
o He would sometimes get mail from other people as well
o It would typically take 3-4 days to receive a letter
It was difficult to adjust to civilian life
o He was torn up inside (28:25)
Roughly two years after he returned he joined the Army Reserve for one year
(28:45)
He did six months in the National Guard
o In Gaylord, Michigan they went and did some maneuvering and drills
o He was able to keep up with training even though he was not in the
military (29:34)
When he first returned home he was very willing to go back to Vietnam
o He sometimes wishes that he would have reenlisted so that another person
would not have to go to Vietnam (29:56)
When he looks back at the war he is sad and confused (30:13)
He had a lot of anger inside of him during the war
Even though he did not see combat he believes that the war changed him as a
person (30:53)
It was hard for him to maintain a job because he struggles with keeping his work
life separate from his private life (32:37)
He found most of his jobs on his own (33:04)
In 1994 there was a special program for Vietnam veterans that struggled with
substance abuse, alcohol abuse, or mental problems
o He stayed in the program for nearly a year and a half (33:32)
o The military service helped him in some ways
To this day Vietnam effects him
He does not believe the military owes him anything for his experiences in
Vietnam (34:23)

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o He believes that it is his own problem – he gets overwhelmed and does not
know how to handle things very well
o Some of his problems come from substance abuse, depression, and some
others (34:54)
He is not sure why Vietnam has changed him
He will always support American troops but he thinks that wars today are
senseless (36:17)
o The wars are causing a lot of problems in the United States
o Many of the soldiers are coming home with PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress
Disorder)
He knows that there must be some kind of military presence but he feels like
American should take care of itself first (37:46)

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Veterans History Project
Frank O’Boyle
(00:37:52)
(00:22) – Background
-Born in Detroit on 29 June 1924
-Has no memories of his mother, as she died when he was very young
-Raised by father and aunts &amp; uncles
-Moved to West Michigan to live with aunt and uncle
-Came when he was young
-Stayed until he was thirteen
-Moved back to Detroit area
-Lived in Ecorse, MI with aunt and uncle
-West [actually south, ed.] of Detroit
-Near steel mills
-Moved back in with his father after he remarried
-Father was the superintendent of schools in Ecorse
-Later became a lawyer
-Graduated from Detroit’s Central High School in 1942
-Was accepted to attend Harvard after high school
-$400 tuition
-$400 room &amp; board
(05:53) – Pearl Harbor
-Was still in high school
-Was working at Grosse Pointe Yacht Club on that Sunday
-Did not know where Pearl Harbor was before that day
-Describes Harvard and people at Harvard
(10:18) – Joining the US Navy
-Stated that, at the time, “everybody joined” the military
-Did not go to boot camp
-Enlisted while at Harvard
-Went to pre-midshipman school for a couple weeks
-Was on a ship for most of his Navy experience
-Had to make repairs on ship before it was ready to be used
-Was a communications officer
(16:08) – VE Day
-Was on his ship when he heard about it
-Was probably on the ship for VJ Day, but does not remember
-Left service in 1946
(16:45) – Finishing up at Harvard and Law School

�-Describes himself as a “True Harvard Grad”
-Earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Liberal Arts
-Other Harvard grads only attend one of Harvard’s colleges
-Went to Northwestern University College of Law in Chicago
-There was a long wait to get into Harvard Law School
-Northwestern’s program was recommended by one of his professors
-Applied to University of Michigan’s Law School, but decided not to attend
-Originally wanted to be a doctor, but his father wanted him to be a lawyer
(21:17) – Life after Law School
-Went back to Michigan
-Worked for road commission
-Started in engineering
-Later worked for real estate department
-Retired after 35 years
(22:43) – Life after retirement
-Job as recorder of Detroit Commandery until 1993
-Woke up and “couldn’t move” after 80th birthday party
-A friend, named Phillip, took him to Beaumont hospital in Royal Oak, MI
-Stayed at Beaumont for a few nights, because he had no one to take care of him
-Put on blood thinner
-Checked into a nursing home for a week
-Underwent operation on his back to save his leg
-Has moved into a nursing home for the time being
-Was always too busy to get married
-Joined Masonry (31:26)
-50 years ago
-Joined shrine in 1973
-Describes his upward mobility within the Masons
-His friend, Phillip, got divorced after 26 years
-Bought a house near Traverse City
-Frank prefers to live in apartments
-Has a girlfriend that lives in Lansing
-Phillip visits Frank about once a week
-Was once Attorney General for the State Highway (37:11)
(37:52) – End

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Robert O’Brien
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(00:00:20) Early Life
-Born in Detroit, Michigan on October 31, 1922
-Moved when he was an infant to Grand Rapids, Michigan
-His father was a dentist
-Wound up following in his father’s footsteps after the war
-Mother was a housewife
-He had three older siblings, and three younger siblings
-Attended mostly Catholic schools when he was growing up
-Almost graduated from St. Augustine Cathedral School in Kalamazoo
-Family moved back to Grand Rapids and he graduated from Catholic Central
-Wound up getting an honorary diploma from St. Augustine
-Met his wife-to-be at Catholic Central
-Graduated from high school in 1940
-His father did a lot of dentistry work via a barter system that he set up with patients
-Ex. Do a couple fillings if the patient would put up wallpaper in the living room
-Growing up in the Depression he didn’t notice how much money his family had
-Knew that he was being taken care of and that’s all that mattered
-As he got older he began to follow the news about Germany and Japan
(00:03:44) Start of the War and Enlisting
-In his second year of college Japan bombed Pearl Harbor
-Remembers men quitting school and enlisting the next day
-He was at Grand Rapids Junior College (now Grand Rapids Community College)
-He definitely did not want to be drafted, and especially did not want to be 4F (unfit for service)
-Dream was to get into aviation
-Navy recruiters came to the school and asked if anyone wanted to join
-He enlisted in the aviation program and was accepted
-Wanted to finish his second year of college first though
(00:06:28) Training Pt. 1
-The science and math courses he had taken made the aviation training easy for him
-One of the most exciting things was his first solo flight at Bowling Green State University, Ohio
-Received preflight training at the University of Iowa
-During that time he was in excellent physical shape
-He was involved with boxing in Iowa
-Remembers feeling really strong
-Training began in the summer of 1942 after his sophomore year of college
-For the first part of training he was sent to Delaware, Ohio
-Most of the places that he trained at were colleges
-Lived at the college in Delaware, Ohio
-Moved into a sorority house that had been acquired by the Navy

�-Received his basic training at Delaware, Ohio
-Sent to Ottumwa, Iowa and started to get into aircraft there
-At that time of his training the Navy would recruit football coaches from major colleges
-Used them as instructors
-Remembers in the college in Ohio there was a huge pool with a tall diving board
-Used it to simulate jumping off the side of a ship
-Also had to learn how to deal with a panicking shipmate
-An instructor would jump in behind you and pull you underwater
-Had to learn how to get them off you then pull them to the surface
-It was easier for him since he had come from Michigan where there was a lot of water
-He trained alongside other men that had a commitment to the military
-A lot of the training consisted of classroom work and learning about flight and aircraft
-A lot of men washed out when it came time to actually fly
(00:13:46) Training Accidents Pt. 1
-At Ottumwa a man with the same last name as him had a flight accident and lost his leg
-Public Relations notified Robert’s family and the Grand Rapids Press
-Had thought that he was the one that had been injured
-Public Relations quickly discovered their error and notified his family and the press
-Allowed Robert and his mother to meet in Chicago so that she could see he was okay
-When he was doing his solo night flight at Ottumwa the man in front of him crash landed
-He thought he had a green light to land
-Made a split second decision to pull off and circle back
-Almost clipped the wing of the plane that had crashed
-Turned out that he had actually had a red light which meant he was not clear to land
-He was almost ejected from flight training due to his mistake
-He had a good record though which saved him from being washed out
(00:18:23) Stationed at Whidbey Island Pt. 1
-He wound up stationed at Whidbey Island, Washington with a land plane squadron
-Orders to go overseas kept getting cancelled which meant that the war was winding down
-Did rocket training and gunnery training around Mount Baker in the Cascade Range
-Flew the Curtiss SB2C Helldiver
-The first time he flew one had didn’t really know how to fly that specific model of plane
-Managed to land at an auxiliary field and got acquainted with the plane
-He held the rank of ensign when he was sent up to Whidbey Island
(00:21:00) Training Pt. 2
-In basic training there was an emphasis on discipline
-Navy prided itself on having a professional image
-He had no trouble adjusting to that kind of lifestyle
-Wanted to have a good record throughout his time in the Navy
-All of his training lasted four (or five) months
-Went to ten different bases before reaching his duty station at Whidbey Island
(00:22:22) Stationed at Whidbey Island Pt. 2
-He was assigned to VP 199 at Whidbey Island
-A patrol squadron
(00:22:33) Overview of Service Pt. 1
-Started at Delaware, Ohio then went to Bowling Green State University

�-Did his first solo flight at Bowling Green State University
-Went on to pre-flight training at University of Iowa
-Received primary flight training in the Stearman biplane at Ottumwa, Iowa
-During his first flight in that he went up with an instructor
-Instructor did a lot of acrobatics to get the airsickness out of cadets
-Went to Corpus Christi, Texas to get commissioned as an officer in the Navy
-Went on to Pensacola, Florida
(00:25:08) End of Service Pt. 1
-Left the Navy as a lieutenant junior grade
-When the war ended he could have stayed in the Navy and made a career out of it
-Had no chance of becoming a high ranking officer though
-Simply because he had not attended the United States Naval Academy
(00:26:20) Overview of Service Pt. 2
-From Pensacola, Florida he was sent to Lake City, Florida
-From Florida he was sent up to Beaufort, South Carolina then on to San Diego, California
-Started his training sometime in the summer of 1942 (most likely June 1942)
-Arrived at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island in late 1942
(00:28:09) Stationed at Whidbey Island Pt. 2
-Spent a lot of time waiting around for orders to be deployed
-Thought they’d be sent to Alaska, or into the Pacific Theatre
-Orders would arrive and then get cancelled
-Spent a lot of time playing tennis to kill time
-Whidbey Island had a seaplane base and a land plane base
-Seaplane base had PBYs for search and rescue missions
-Also had some PBYs painted black for night operations against the Japanese
-Received daily reports about the war’s progress
-Had a sense that the Allies were making good progress against the Axis
-Had heard about the Battle of Midway in the summer of 1942
-Conducted patrols for Japanese submarines off the northwestern coast
-Trained with depth charges and torpedoes
-Trained with those weapons on a nearby lake
-Referred to torpedoes as “fish”
-He loved to fly around the islands that were in Puget Sound
-Had three men in a crew (NOTE: In the Helldiver there were only two crewmen)
-The pilots had to know about navigation and many other fields
-This was because they had to maintain strict radio silence during flights
-Never saw a single Japanese submarine
-Worked with American submarines looking for Japanese submarines
-There was still concern that Japan might try to attack the West Coast
-Heard about Japanese midget subs scouting the San Francisco Harbor
(00:36:53) Visiting Seattle
-He was allowed to visit Seattle
-Flew into Seattle Airport and then relatives would pick him up and he’d stay with them
-Remembers there wasn’t a war feeling in Seattle
-Meant to him that the Allies were in control of the war
-There were still blackouts at night

�-Remembers sailors would go into the city and get drunk
-As an officer he would have to get them back to their base
-Attended some USO Shows
-Appreciates what the entertainers of the time did for the troops
(00:40:24) Stationed at Whidbey Island Pt. 3
-During his time at Whidbey Island he would also ferry high ranking officers around
-Flew a transport that he had received no prior training with
-Seamless transition though
-Showed him that the Navy did an excellent job training pilots
(00:41:06) Reflections on Service Pt. 1
-Navy taught him how to focus
-All throughout his time in the Navy he was determined to be a survivor no matter what
-The values that he learned in the Navy went on to help him in dental school
(00:42:32) End of Service Pt. 2 and End of the War
-Received orders to go to Great Lakes Naval Station, Illinois in November 1945
-Heard very little about the end of the war in Europe in May 1945
-Heard about the atomic bombs being dropped on Japan
-Didn’t have much of an opinion about it other than that he supported President Truman
-Most people agreed with President Truman’s decision
-Remembers when President Roosevelt died and how so many people grieved about that
-When the war ended in August 1945 there was a lot of celebrating
(00:46:06) Visiting Seattle Pt. 2
-When he was stationed at Whidbey Island he had bought a Model T to drive around the area
-Drove with other men in an effort to save gas
-Also wanted to make sure he had other people with him in case the car broke down
-Remembers that it was incredibly difficult to get new tires for cars during the war
-As a result he had a tire repair kit to patch tires in case he got a flat
(00:47:02) Coming Home
-In November 1945 he took a train across the country to Great Lakes to get discharged
-Saw snow that was up to the top of telephone poles in South Dakota
-Enjoyed all of the train trips that he took in the Navy
-After getting discharged he went home to Grand Rapids
-Started looking for jobs once life settled down
(00:48:37) Life after the War
-His wife was a physical therapist at the Mayo Clinic in Grand Rapids
-At the time only men were allowed to be department heads
-Wanted to be a department head so he could be with his wife
-Eventually abandoned that and decided to pursue dental school
-Applied to dental school and was accepted to that at the University of Michigan
-His sons became dentists and his grandson became a dentist
-Started seriously dating his wife-to-be after the war
-Has lived in Grand Rapids for sixty six years (as of 2015)
(00:49:53) Training Accidents Pt. 2
-Felt very blessed during his training
-Almost crashed on multiple occasions but managed not to
-Feels that God, or a guardian angel, was watching over him

�-There were a lot of crashes in the Cascade Range during rocket training
-A close friend of his was killed during a training run
-In Ottumwa, Iowa he remembers seeing the wreckage of a plane that had crashed
-The pilot’s body had basically been meshed into the plane
-So severely that if they wanted to bury the pilot, they’d have to bury the plane
(00:52:30) Veterans’ Organization Involvement
-He is now a member of the American Legion
-Went on the Spirit of Grand Rapids Honor Flight to Washington DC in May 2015
-Chance for WWII and Korean veterans to go to DC and be honored for their service
-Attended a WWII veterans’ convention in Grand Rapids
-Learned about the Honor Flight there
(00:53:52) Reflections on Service Pt. 2
-It taught him how to focus
-Taught him about the importance of life and of the people around him
-The GI Bill that he got from his service tremendously helped him with dental school
-Didn’t have to pay any money for his dental school at the University of Michigan
-Tends to be very thankful now
-Proud to be a veteran of World War Two
-Has always felt bad for the men that were 4F or the men that got washed out
-Understands it was for the best though because it probably saved their lives and others

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