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NATIVE AMERICAN

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PREVENTION

615 Tutner Ave., NW Rmr::3 2-B Grand Rapids, Ml 49504
. Telephone: (616) 458-4078 Fax: (616) 458-2096
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JANUARY/FEBRUARY 1999

SERVICES

Mnidoo-Giizis
(Spirit Moon)

INSIDE THIS ISSUE:

Hungry Hollow

1

I Hear You

4

Festival 1999

6

Winter Camp 98

8

M.I.C. WA.

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Calendar/Birthdays

11

Prag. Name Change

12

Newsletter Coordinator:
Hunter Genia

Volunteer Editor:
Sharon Horton

Layout:
Wanda Blanco

Contributors:
IFR/NAPS Staff
Turtle Talk's mission is to provide its readership with reports of local and national
interest which may affect
and impact our Native
American community. Special emphasis will be placed
on prevention information.
Turtle Talk is published by
Native American Prevention
Services, in cooperation with
the Kent County Health
Department
Turtle Talk due dates:
Submissions to Turtle Talk
must be received in our office by the first of each
month for the upcoming
month's issue. (Not all material submitted can be used.)
If you have a story or information you would like to
share with Turtle Talk, please
send it with your name, address and phone number.
You will be recognized by
name in Turtle Talk if your
article is used.

Indians of Hungry Hollow!
By the time you have received this newsletter the book, ln_dians ofliungry:l-l_o_ll_o_w, may already be on bookstore shelves. Local Odawa elder,
Bill Dunlap, had his wishes come true when The University of Michigan
Press, one of five publishers interested, called and said they wanted to
publish his book.
This book isn't some romanticized version of what someone
thinks of Indians from a long time ago. It is not a book of how a non
native settler fell in love with this Native American man and a group of
white settlers were trying to look and save her. No, in fact it's hard to
measure how much impact this will have on families who lived through
this and similar incidents throughout the country. This book shares the
experience through the eyes of Bill, as told and lived by the Indians
from Hungry Hollow. The book features factual information during a
period where it wasn't "cool" to be Anishinabe. The Indians of Hungry
Hollow refers to an area near Petoskey, between Goodhart and Middle
Village where about fifteen Native American families lived. The stories
shared in the book take place from the 1920' s to World War II. In fact,
the stories that Bill remembers, took place when he was a boy growing
up. Many stories heard take place from a back porch behind a barber
shop while listening to relatives and friends.
Not having read the book myself, I had the opportunity to listen
to Bill at our office. The stories he shared with me were with great
emotion as he struggled to hold back tears of memories. One of the
stories is told on page three of our newsletter. Hopefully, this will inspire you to purchase the book and share it with your children and
neighborhood schools so that the other side is told.

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Native American Prevention Services

Winter Camp 98

Staff:

Lora Church
Program Director
Hunter Genia
Prevention Specialist/Educator
Renee Dillard
Prevention Specialist /Educator

VACANT
Prevention Specialist/Educator
Wanda Blanco
Office Services Coordinator
The goal of Native American Prevention Services is to deliver services and information that
encourage healthy lifestyles while discouraging
the use of alcohol and other drugs.
Our program strives to ensure the information
and services provided that are culturally relevant and age-appropriate.

We Provide:
Information - relevant to the Native American
lifestyle.

Assistance and referrals - can be provided to
community members as well as professionals
about issues related to A.T.O.D. (alcohol, tobacco, other drugs)

Native American Youth Groups - are divided
according to grade level and meet once a
week throughout the year.

Consultations and Presentations - can be provided to schools, organizations, community
groups, including parents, on substance abuse
prevention and/or culturally related topics.

Special Programs and Activities - are provided
to youth, parents and elders.

Readers Input Valued!
Every now and then readers write to us or call us and tell us how we are doing with "Turtle Talk."
We appreciate all input, suggestions, and your comments to let us know what you like, don't like, and
what ideas you may have to improve the newsletter. We are currently mailing out nearly 1,600 newsletters a month to homes, businesses, organizations, and tribes throughout Michigan and out of state.
We try to insert information, articles, and community happenings in order to inform you of what's
happening on a local and national level with Indigenous affairs. We also insert information consistent
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Indians of Hungry Hollow
By Bill Dunlap
Cigarettes were 7 cents a pack. Gasoline was 8 cents a gallon, a loaf of bread cost 9 cents and a spaghetti dinner with one small meatball the size of a marble cost 17 cents. The trouble was, where was one to
get the 17 cents? These were the times the white man would come to call the heart of our country's Great
Depression. A time when all of America was down for the count. There was no welfare, no social security
and no dole of any kind. Work was as scarce as hen's teeth and if one didn't work, one didn't eat. Being the
last hired and first fired meant the Indians in Hungry Hollow missed more meals than most.
(Editors Note:) The following is an excerpt from Bill's book, which is just one of several handed down orally
to Bill or actually experienced by him and several others in the Anishinabe communities throughout Michigan. You can find his book, Indians of Hungry Hollow, at Barnes &amp; Noble in the area soon.
As the depression deepened, people got more desperate. Riding the rails was dangerous and against
the rules. People did it anyway because freight trains were the only transportation they could afford. They
crissed-crossed the country going hither and yon and back and forth. People would hear about the fruit needing to be picked two states away or a canning factory needing labor somewhere else. With little more than a
rumor on which to hang their hopes, they would pick up and head to the nearest freight yard. The place didn't matter. They were heading nowhere while looking everywhere for the only thing that did. It was work.
Dressed in ragged and torn cloths, rail riders were dirty from head to foot. Dirty, not because they didn't care
to wash, but because of the soot and black smoke the steam engines belched out.
At first, I tried to catch their eyes so that I could send them a smile of encouragement. It didn't work.
Empty eyes staring back through was all I ever saw. My heart went out to that little girl. She was standing in
the box car door holding on to her father's pant leg. Her hair was wind blown and her face was dirty from the
train engine soot. Her only clothing was a flour sack someone had taken and tried to turn it into a shift. Her
feet were bare. I knew they would remain that way until winter demanded otherwise. She smiled and waved
as her dad took the water. I could feel my heart melting. Soon her whole family had joined her. They called
out thank you after thank you. Handing out all that water made us feel as good as I can every remember feeling. It's best not to clog up that kind of thing with words. I thought of her from time to time. I'd get to wondering if times were ever going to get better and she'd pop into my head. Once in awhile I'd ask my sister,
who knew just about everything, "why?" She'd tell me, "Good things will come to us, we just have to wait."
I'd wonder what kind of answers that little girls daddy gave her and if those answers satisfied her
more than the ones I got. She had to feel choked by the same poverty that had it's hand around my neck. I'd
close my eyes, and see her lying on the floor of a box-car rumbling and rattling thro11gh the night. Her hands
were always clutching an empty belly and her eyes were shut tight. I could see her trying to squeeze out all
her pain. She just wanted to escape into her dreams. I hope she did. I hope they got where they were going
to safe and sound. I hope her daddy found work. And most of all I hope he replaced that flour sack shift with
the prettiest dress money could buy.
Spring water was all we had to share with those freight train families. We took a lot of bottles from
the dump as the summer wore on. We left a lot of misery there in exchange.

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I HEAR YOU
Information obtained from "I hear you", a booklet to help American Indian parents in raising their
children. This booklet is a product from the organizations of National Committee for Prevention of
Child Abuse and Northwest Indian Child Welfare Assocfation, Inc.
What do we mean by punishment? When you punish your child, you are trying to change a behavior by
doing something that makes the child feel bad or hurts the child. The punishment may be mild: 1) sending
him to his room 2) taking her bike away 3) slapping him on the hand. Or the punishment may be harsh and
painful: 1) slapping him on the face 2) spanking or beating her 3) whipping him with a switch. What do you
really want to happen when you punish your child? You probably want to make your child stop by doing something that you don't like or to get him to do something he won't do.
Can you remember back to when you were little? How did you feel when you got punished? When
your mom or dad took something away from you, you probably felt bad, and if they spanked you hard or beat
you, it made you hurt. Chances are you didn't feel very good about yourself afterward.
Most parents don't really want to make their children feel bad or actually hurt them. They punish because they think they need to. Or because it is the way their parents dealt with them. Sometimes parents
punish harshly because it is done in anger or it helps to relieve their own frustrations. But this only causes
more frustration.
Lots of parents who were punished when they were growing up think that children have to be punished
so that they will be happy, responsible, well-behaved persons when they grow up. And many parents just
don't know any other way to make their child stop doing things they don't like.
Parents sometimes have the ideas that if children are ashamed of their behavior, the behavior will
stop. So the parent shames the child. But children then believe that the parent disapproves of them rather
than the behavior. A child who is ashamed has low self-esteem and learns to distrust those who shame
them.
But there are other ways that work better. Let's look at how Nathan's dad learned a way to get his
message across without spanking:
One day, Nathan's family was holding a give-away in honor of his dad who was just elected to tribal
council. His dad was all dressed up in a new ribbon shirt and sitting in his chair waiting to go to the community center. Little Nathan ran into the room and was about to climb onto his dad's lap. But just in time, his
dad noticed that Nathan had been eating fry-bread and jam and that his hands were all sticky. His dad realized that Nathan was too little to understand what gooey hands do to clean clothes.
Quickly, his dad kept Nathan from climbing up. Then he gently led Nathan into the bathroom and
helped wash the grease and jam off his hands. After that he took him by the hand, led him back to the chair,
lifted him up into his lap. Without hitting or slapping or yelling, his dad showed Nathan by his actions what he
wanted. Nathan's dad is using NON-PUNISHMENT to COMMUNICATE.

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with the goals of our organization which deal with alcohol, tobacco, and other drug prevention.
Letters we have received tell us that you enjoy articles, information, calendars, and photos that
add to the layout of our newsletter. We would also like to hear more from our readers to help us consider what could be improved with our newsletter.
As the Newsletter Coordinator, I encourage all readers to submit an article for the "Turtle Tafk"
newsletter to share information that would be interesting for our readers to read. As long as you are
consistent with submission deadlines, and we can credit your name to the article, then it has a better
chance of being used. We will try our best to make sure it is inserted. I hope you all enjoy the newsletter and if it isn't to your liking, I welcome your input. Volunteers are encouraged to call me or our
office and let us know if you are available for volunteer work with newsletter projects and untouched
ideas in the making. Thank you for your support.

HAVE A GREAT 19991

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Youtb Drum Circle Niqb.tl

Another Successful New Year's Eve
Celebration
By Di.in Hossler

On December 31st we came together as one big family
to enjoy the last few hours of 1998. With that, we enjoyed our humorous M.C.s Debra Muller and Matt
Blumke. A delicious pot luck, an art raffle and a 50/50
raffle hosted by June Fletcher, Mary Cody, and myself,
a night of entertaining Karoake, and a wonderful presentation by the Northern Sky Singers and our very own
Owashtinong Chung-a-ming drum. As the last few
minutes of 1998 passed, we gathered around the drum
and stood together looking each other's faces remembering what 1998 brought to us! The New Year' s Eve
celebration brought us an estimated 200 familiar faces,
without whom the celebration could not have been

Circle of Relatives
Circle of Relatives is a gathering of people
concerned about children. We share ideas
and offer support to each other about raising
youth. We will be meeting during the Fall and
Winter months twice a month. The following
guest speakers will offer presentations during
January and February:

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Three Fires Pow Wow Meeting

January 26 at 6 p.m.: Medicine Wheel Teaching. - Renee Dillard

January 28, 1999

February 9 at 6 p.m.: Dealing with Grief and
Loss.

Grand River Bands of Ottawa Indians, Inc.
1251 Plainfield NE, Suite B, PO Box 2937
Grand Rapids, Ml 49501-2937

February 23 at 6 p.m.: Parenting in balance
with culture.
Meetings are held at:
Indian Family Resources
615 Turner NW (Entrance on Broadway)
Room #35
For more information contact Mark Sanford
at 616-458-1641.

For more information contact
Kelly Wesaw at 616-458-8759.

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Festival '99 - Here We Comel
We have wonderful news for those of you who always wanted to help our agency but didn't know how to
go about volunteering. We have a huge project started that will only be successful 'rt enough people will come
forward to help. Festival '99 has accepted our application for a food booth that will take place on June 4-6, 1999,
one weekend before the Three Fires Pow-Wow.
The menu is simple but will take many dedicated people to have this project come to it's potential. Fry
bread and Buffalo Joes (which is buffalo meat fixed like sloppy joe on a piece of fry bread) and Lemonade is the
complete menu. Thousands of people come to the festival every year to celebrate the diversity within this urban
community. Our program has the opportunity to help bring about awareness of the Native American community
within the community at large.
It is a big project with possibilities that can really benefit the growth of our programs. If we can increase
our financial resources for our programs, the potential for more needed programming will become closer to
reality.
Volunteers
I00 volunteers minimum are needed for the four-day event. T earn leaders to be determined will make up the
Festival '99 Anishinabe Food Booth committee. The committee will meet twice a month starting in January, then
they will meet once a week starting the first Thursday in May. Committees will meet on first and third Thursday of
each month, until May then committees will meet every Thursday until the event. Times for meeting will be 6:00 p.
m. to 8:00 p.m. in the Indian Family Resources office. (see time-line for meeting schedule). Team leaders will be
responsible for setting up appropriate meetings with their crew. T earn leaders will help with the recruitment of
crew members. Shift schedule forms will be supplied to team leaders for crew sign up. A copy will be supplied to
committee members.
Prospective team leaders need to be approved by committee chair and co-chair prior to assignment of
duties. No smoking in the booth or around the booth area will be tolerated. We need team leaders for all of the
following crews:
a.) Set Up Crew
b.) Clean Up Crew/ Drivers
c.) Kitchen Worker Crew
d.) Runner Crew/ Drivers
e.) Booth Crew
f .. ) Cooks
A complete description of all crews and scheduling are available at the Native American Prevention Services
office and at the Committee meetings.
Timeline
Mandatory Festival 99 committee dates to be attended by team leaders in the Indian Family Resource

office space is as follows;
Thursday, January 7th
Thursday, January 21st
Thursday, February 4th
Thursday, February 18th
Thursday, March 4th
Thursday, March 18th

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May 6th
May 13th
May 20th
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Decorations of Booth
The decoration of the booth is important so the public will be able to spread from word of mouth where a certain
food item was purchased. This description will be printed in the Festival '99 program. The booth decoration is as
follows:
,., Four color ribbons to be hung above the four corners of the booth representing the four
directions of the medicine wheel.
,., Medicine wheels to be hanging from the cross bar in front of the serving area are to be
visible to the public.
As an addition to the booth decorations, a large poster sign with the explanation of the medicine
wheel could also be available. Any other suggestions are welcome.

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NATIVE AMERICAN AA MEETINGS
THURSDAYS AT 6:00 P.M.
NATIVE AMERICAN PREVENTION
SERVICES
615 TURNER AVE. NW, ROOM 35
CRAND RAPIDS, Ml
49504-5246
(SCHEDULE IS SUBJECT TO SCHOOL
DISTRICT CALENDAR)
ANY QUESTIONS, CALL LORETTA AT

616-458-6156.

NATIVE AMERICAN
ALATEEN MEETING
M 0 N DAY AT.. 7 : 0 0 P • M •
FIRST STEP HOUSE
435 BRIDGE NW (UPSTAIRS)
CRAND RAPIDS, Ml
49504
ANY QUESTIONS, CALL PATTY AT

616-363-9537
COME SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE,
STRENGTH, AND CULTURE TO ACHIEVE
SOBRIETY AND RECOVERY.

SATURDAY AT 12:00 P.M.
SECOND CHANCE
624 W. FULTON
CRAND RAPIDS, Ml 49504
ANY QUESTIONS, CALL SUE AT 616·

363-9537
TUESDAY AT 8:30 P.M. SECOND
CHANCE 624 W. FULTON
BASED ON THE MEDICINE WHEEL
ANY QUESTIONS, CALL SUE.

WANTED!
CARING ANISHINABE ADULTS

WANTED - Caring Anishinabe adults to mentor and guide local Native youth in the Juvenile Mentoring Program (JUMP) here on the west side of Grand Rapids. Students
who are looking for mentors attend Straight, Sibley and Stocking Elementary schools.
This program has been designed with an emphasis to serve Indian students. Please
consider sharing your lessons and stories with a young person in the JUMP Program.
For further information feel free to call 771-2746, or stop by the Learning Club office
on the first floor of the West Middle School building. Megwetch.
Chet Eagleman Jr.

We, at the Native American Prevention SeNices (NAPS) and Indian Family Resources (IFR), are seeking
your help in offering suggestions for an overall program name. We wanted this process to include
you. To assist in your creative thinking mode, here are the goals of both programs:

NAPS - The goal of NAPS is to deliver seNices and information that encourage healthy lifestyles while
discouraging the use of alcohol, tobacco and other drugs.
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Winter Camp 98
By Renee Dillard

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We had so much fun I didn't want it to end. We had a total of 36 youth from grades K through 61h
come this year. Our camp was held at the Camp Ana Behrens of the Michigan Trails Girl Scout Camp in
Greenville. What a wonderful facility and we are very grateful to the Girl Scout Council for all their assistance while this year's Winter Camp. We were very fortunate to have so many people come forward to help
the youth have a good time with learning more about Honesty, Kindness, Respect and Sharing.
The kids participated in a lot of outdoor activities including a snow shoe hike, cross country skiing,
and sledding. The kids said that the sledding was the best although that was the activity that seemed to be
most prone to injury. The snow that came on Tuesday was a welcome sight to everyone and it was really
beautiful.
The indoor activities were fun and challenging for each age group of Young Eagles. We had alcohol,
tobacco, and other drug (A.T.O.D.) prevention activities and materials for each youth available in their
packet. We also made jiimons (canoes) and makuks (boxes) out of paper bags using the same pattern that
we would ordinarily use with actual birch bark. We also focused on language as much as we could during
most activities. We were blessed to have Larry Plamondon (Odawa) from the Gun Lake area travel up north
to visit us as he shared many stories with the children and adults. As you probably know, many of the stories are Nanabozho stories that teach all who listen, important values and lessons of how we can treat each
other respectfully. The day-wa-gun from Grand Rapids (Owashtinong Chung-a-ming) also visited with our
kids on the Monday evening, sharing songs and teaching those young boys who were so interested about
the drum. They also learned what it's like to try drumming as well.
At the Winter Camp we had a sacred fire (ishkodeh) that was kept lit the whole time the camp was
on. We are all grateful for the fire tenders, in particular Ernest and Jack, who accepted the honor of ensuring the fire would be lit the whole time. For many of the youth, it was their first time learning what the fire is
all about and why it is sacred. They all learned how to respect the fire and how we actually feed the fire. It
was cold and sometimes a lonely job, but it felt good knowing that it was there whenever we needed and
that an Odawa and Ojibway shkinwayuk (young adolescent boys) could keep the ishkodeh going.
If anyone went home hungry it was their own fault. Our kitchen help, in particular Olive Pigeon, Joan
"Tinky" Otten, Julie Bennett, Mary Cody, and Amanda Loonsfoot, were all excellent as usual this year even if
they got up at 3 a.m . in the morning ("thanks Renee") by accident. Nothing was burnt this year, mainly because I didn't cook, and the all the meals seemed to be pretty nutritious and well-balanced. On the menu
this past year was : pancakes, chicken, spaghetti and meatballs, and fruit just to name a few. Request for
zagidikwadence (fry-bread) and the toppings to go with it and penabo (potato soup) is already on the menu
for next year's winter camp. Like last year, the children had a chance to cook their food in tinfoil on the fire.
It was great to know the food preparation was taken care of for every meal by wonderful people.
We were also very grateful for Tina Horne who volunteered to be our camp nurse this year. She did
an excellent job and was very organized to ensure the children got their medications on time. In fact, we
would like to recognize all of our volunteers who have made winter camp successful. They are: Casey
Church, Mike Kelley, Dan Hossler, Ernest Loonsfoot, Jack Otten, Hunter Genia, Kristy Dayson, Becky Williams, Amanda Loonsfoot, Amanda Pigeon, Monica Otten, Olive Pigeon, Julie Bennett, Mary Cody, Joan Otten, Jennifer Jones, Jackie Homant, Tina Horne, Larry Plamondon, Owashtinong Chung-a-ming, Variety
Club (van), and First Evangelical Covenant Church (van).
Already some parents and volunteers have explored ideas for activities for next year's camp and
how we can continue to make it better and even more action packed. If you have some ideas, are interested in volunteering, or would like to lead a particular activity for the camp we would be glad to hear about
them. Or if you have a youth that would like to be included in the fun Young Eagles activities call me at
458-4078.

(See Winter Camp Pictures on page 2)

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MEMBERS OF THE GRAND RAPIDS NATIVE AMERICAN COMMUNITY MEET
WITH MICHIGAN INDIAN CHILD WELFARE TO HEAR ABOUT SERVICES AND
DISCUSS CONCERNS
BY HUNTER GENIA

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On December 8th, 1998, members and friends in the West Michigan Native American community attended
a meeting at the Circle of Relatives Program at the Native American Prevention Services / Indian Family Resources
office.
The meeting was attended by nearly thirty individuals who were interested in listening to Cheryl Gandhi
and Amy Larva of Michigan Indian Child Welfare Agency (M.l.C.W.A.) discuss programs and services they offer,
as well as, ask questions they wanted answered. As the meeting progressed into the evening numerous questions
were asked by community members who had concerns about MICWA and how it serves the Native American community and child welfare issues.
Questions centered around issues of native children being adopted or fostered out to non-Indian families to
how are "native homes" defined. Other questions pertained to how a relative is defined and a request for clarification of how M.l.C.W.A. works with Native American community organizations. Assistance in the finding of relatives and families who can take in the children who are at risk of being removed was also discussed. It was apparent that perhaps a more distinct "visibility" within the community it serves could help in identifying "Native
American homes", which has been a concern of M.l.C.W.A.
Although the meeting had its tense moments, it was pretty much determined that perhaps on everyone's
mind was the question, "why has it taken nine years and longer in this community to begin forging a relationship
with community agencies and tribes to establish a strategic plan to help our children?" It is also apparent that perhaps some of the guidelines and parameters don't necessarily meet the Indian child's needs at the federal level
where the Indian Child Welfare Act was established. A list of recommendations was brainstormed with participants from the community, staff of MICWA, and staff of Indian Family Resources. The recommendations were as
follows:
l. Another meeting between Circle of Relatives and a MICWA administrative representative was requested to continue dialogue regarding our mutual concern for welfare of Native children in the area.
2. An administrative response to questions was requested. In particular further information was requested
about statistics and policy and procedure questions.
3. There was a request for Sylvia Murray to come to the Circle of Relatives.
4. There was a request that MICWA share information regarding other Native programs and services
with MICWA clients. This can begin with sharing of brochures etc, but ultimately should be more personal,
such as a face to face introduction to staff in these programs.
5. It was requested that a MICWA representative attend the Coalition of Indian Programs and Services
meetings.
6. It was recommended that MICWA utilize Native publications to disseminate information.
7. It was recommended to have potential new foster parents attend the Circle of Relatives to assist in
supporting culturally appropriate parenting skill building.
8. It was recommended that tribal representatives attend the recommended next meeting with MICW A
administration.
9. There was a recognition of the need for more trust building between MICWA and the Native communitynity. A MICWA presence at community events would likely assist in this effort.
l 0. Questions were raised about what can be done to change some of the MICWA standards.
l 1. A strategic plan was requested highlighting MICWA's goals and objectives: a) to recruit Native
homes and foster families, b) to market MICWA's programs and services to the Native community, and c)
to collaborate with the Native community and other Native programs and services in the area.

For more

information about this meeting and future meetings to take place with MICWA please
call Mark Sanford of Indian Family Resources at 616-45 8-1641.

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Michigan Indian Employment and Training Services {formerly at
2442 28th St. SW) has moved to 2367 Byron Center Rd in the
Lamar Plaza {near Lamar Park).
Stop by to see:
Mary Cody - Program Director and
Dan Hossler - Office Coordinator
Or give them a call at 616-538-9644

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on Indian Affairs at:
Michigan Commission on Indian Affairs
741 N. Cedar Street, Suite. 102
Lansing, Michigan 48913
517-334-8632 - phone
517-334-8641 - fax

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Poem
"Every part of this soil is sacred... in the estimation of my people ... because it is rich with the
blood of my ancestors ... "
Chief Seattle

The Native Son
You will live your few brief years,
Then pass to grandmother earth;
While the manitou roams the dunes,
As he did on the day of your birth.
He will bear the spirit of you,
Until earth's last day is done.
Your children will feel your lips
With the kiss of the summer sun.
They will hearken to your song,
Sung at a tempest roar.
They will hear when poplars rattle,
And when waves caress the shore.
When trading your bits of paper,
Making seals and parchment your goal,
You say, "Under the land lies the title."

I say "Under the land lies my soul."
Robert Lawrence Horton

IFR - The goal is to provide a program that will
provide Native American families in Kent
County with useful, ·i::elevant information and access to services which will help preserve
and strengthen family structure, and to raise children successfully.
This is the timeline we will use:
Tues., February 2nd -All suggested names from
the community are due to the NAPS/IFR office.
Wed., February 3rd -All suggested names will be
sent to a selected panel of I 6 individuals to review.
Tues., February I 6th - The I 6-member panel will
meet to decide their top three suggested names.
Wed., February I 7th - We, NAPS/IFR staff, will
choose one overall program name at our staff
meeting.
Please keep in mind that our programs, services and
special events will continue to remain the same, other
than making changes that help to make the programs more effective and successful. So ..... please call
or send your suggested overall program name to
Wanda Blanco, Office Services Coordinator,
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MAR151999

MARCH 1999
INSIDE THIS ISSUE:

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Misconceptions!

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Colon Cancer

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Parenting/or Prev.

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Message from Inside

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Y.E. &amp; Peer Educ.

8

29th Ann. NACIC

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GVSU Pow-Wow

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Newsletter Coordinator:
Hunter Genia

Volunteer Editor:
Sharon Horton

Layout:
Wanda Blanco

Contributors:
IFR/NAPS Staff
Turtle Talk's mission is to provide its readership with reports of local and national
interest which may affect
and impact our Native
American community. Special emphasis will be placed
on prevention information.
Turtle Talk is published by
Native American Prevention
Services, in cooperation with
the Kent County Health
Department

Turtle Talk due dates:
Submissions to Turtle Talk
must be received in our office by the first of each
month for the upcoming
month's issue. (Not all material submitted can be used.)
If you have a story or information you would like to
share with Turtle Talk, please
send it with your name, address and phone number.
You will be recognized by
name in Turtle Talk if your
article is used.

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Destroying the Misconceptions!
By: Hunter Genia

Much has been made of sovereign tribal nations and their ambition to operate casinos on lands considered reservation territory. The State of Michigan have
gaming compacts signed with all the federally-recognized tribes who operate casinos
in the state, which by the way amounts to over 30 million dollars to the Governors
special fund. Once Detroit begins operations of their casinos these gaming compacts are voided, with the exception of recently federally-recognized tribes and
those tribes who will be seeking recognition and may consider casinos as an option.
Not much has changed in terms of going through a beauracratic process, as most
Indigenous people throughout North America would say it1s pai:t of the American
tradition.
Recently my wife and in-laws very anxiously looked forward to attending
their federal affirmation ceremony, signifying of the Gun Lake Band of Match-ebenai-she-wish of Potawatomi1s to become federally recognized. This is the version
of the "United States stamp of approval11 when a tribe is seeking sovereign recognition status. On the eve before departure a message she received was that Detroit
had put a court order out to block the signing due to some 40 acres of land near
Detroit that might endanger Detroit1s revenue from casinos. Hmmm ... endangerment?
Well this leads into my point for this article which may be a good education
for non-Indigenous people who are paranoid about losing power. JOIN THE
CLUB! We 1ve felt that way hundreds of years before our families were even told
they couldn 1 t speak our own language in your schools. Okay, I got my composure
back now. Anyway, what I was intelligently going to say, is ask Isabella County in
Mt. Pleasant whether they like the impact of the Soaring Eagle casino. If you
bother to check the financial statements from the tribe you will see that there were
millions of dollars given to non-Indian public services outside of the tribe for assistance. The request helped to fund road repairs, educational upgrades in public
schools, capital resources, fire department equipment, and tons more. Needless to
say, ask what improvements have been made on the reservations in terms of health,
social services, elder services, youth services, schools, and cultural preservation projects.
The reason I feel that this is important to share is due to public perception
of Indian gaming in Michigan. By the way, is there the same sentiment with bingo?
A statement made on ESPN sports basically said it all, when a Dine (Navajo)
woman interviewed regarding the National Football Leagues Arizona Cardinals football camp on her reservation, quoted as saying, "Out there they worry about their
computers and America On-Line, here we 1 re just trying to get electricity and running water. 11 So as you can see folks, we are just trying to survive.

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Staff:

Lora Church
Program Director
Hunter Genia
Prevention Specialist/Educator
Renee Dillard
Prevention Specialist /Educator

'VOICES" WANTS YOU!
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If you have any questions or comments please
send them to Native American Prevention Services - Turtle Talk , at 61 5 Turner NW, Grand
Rapids, MI 49504. Please insure that they are
VACANT
submitted by the deadlines.
Prevention Specialist /Educator
Here's the deal, we will run the VOICES
Wanda Blanco
sections of Turtle Talk again, which hasn't been in
Office Services Coordinator
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The goal of Native American Prevention Services is
asked Will be from readers that have questions
to deliver services and information that encourage
healthy lifestyles while discouraging the use of alabout Native American people, lifestyles, culture,
cohol and other drugs.
historical or contemporary areas, concerns, or is.....O_u_r_p-ro_g_r_a_m_st_r"_1ve_s_t_o_e_ns-u-re-t-he-in-fo-rm_a_t-io_n_a-nd-· sues. Your question will then be presented to
services provided that are culturally relevant and
community members for their response to be
age-appropriate.
printed in "Turtle Talk." This will be a good way
to learn more about what others have wondered
We Provide:
about already.
Information - relevant to the Native American lifestyle.

Assistance and referrals - can be provided to community members as well as professionals about issues related to A.T.O.D. (alcohol, tobacco, other
drugs)
Native American Youth Groups - are divided according to grade level and meet once a week
throughout the year.
Consultations and Presentations - can be provided
to schools, organizations, community groups, including parents, on substance abuse prevention and/or
culturally related topics.
Special Programs and Activities - are provided to
youth, parents and elders.

so send your questions in!

An Anishinafee Goff bea~~e in Grand Rapids????
If you are interested in participating in an American Indian
Golf League you are asked to contact Mike Sprague at
458-8383 for more details or information as soon as possible.
Details of the league to be worked out depending on the interest
level of the community.
If you snooze you may lose, so hurry and calll 11

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fire You at Risk for Colon Cancer?
What Is Colorectal Cancer?
The term colorectal cancer is used to describe cancer of the colon or rectum. The colon, or
large bowel, is the lower part of the digestive tract. The rectum is the last part of the colon.
We will use term colon cancer from here on to mean colorectal cancer. Almost half of all
people who develop colon cancer die from the disease. In 1999, an estimated 2, 100 people
in Michigan will die from colon cancer. Little information is available on exactly how many
of those persons will be Native Americans . According to Indian Health Service information,
Native Americans in this area of the country (Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota) have the
second highest incidence of colon cancer of all Native Americans! Native Americans have
the lowest 5-year colon cancer survival rate of any race in the United States. Yet this cancer
and these deaths can be prevented through screening exams and early detection. 1
Colon cancer starts as non-harmful or benign growths called polyps. These polyps can be
found through an examination of the colon and removed before they turn into cancer. That
is why having colon exams on a regular basis is so important, especially for people in families with a history of this disease.

How Do You Know You're At-Risk?
Your level of risk depends on:
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How many of your family members have had colon polyps or cancer.
How closely they are related to you.
What age they first had polyps or cancer.
What your age is.
Whether you have had colon cancer or polyps before.

The risk of colon cancer increases for everyone after the age of 50. Having had colon cancer
or polyps yourself or having one or more parent, brother, sister or child with colon cancer
can increase your risk of developing colon cancer. The only way to find out your level of
risk is to take part in a complete review of your risk factors. This is called evaluation.
If you have questions about your risk of colon cancer, need help in finding colon screening,
or would like to talk with someone about your family history of colon cancer or polyps there
are a number of local programs that can help you. For more information you can call Shawn
Oliai at the American Cancer Society at (616) 364-61 21. This information is brought to you
by the Community Colon Cancer Screening Group. The CCCSG is a local cooperative group
presented by many healthcare organizations such as the American Cancer Society, Cherry
Street Health Services and its satellite clinics, Grand Rapids Community Clinical Oncology
Program, Metropolitan Hospital,
St. Mary's Hospital, Spectrum Health, and the Grand Rapids Black Nurses Association. We extend an invitation for you to join us as a cooperative group participant. Please call.

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Native American Monograph No.1; National Institutes of Health, National Cancer Society,
1994.

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Parenting For Prevention
Children and youth are bombarded everyday with
incorrect information and mixed messages about
alcohol. The reality is that alcohol is linked with
health problems, violence, crashes, unwanted and
unsafe sex, etc.
Changing the alcohol abuse picture in any community requires us to "parent for prevention." This involves looking at ourselves individually and working with other parents in the community.
1. Become educated about the disease of addiction, risk factors, why people use, environmental
influences, real facts.

2. De-myth our thinking
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A little beer won't hurt.
It's a rite of passage, all kids do it.
Thank goodness she only drinks and doesn't
use something illegal.
I can trust my son not to drink and drive.
It's ok because my kid only drinks at home.

The Fact Is: Alcohol use in adolescents leads
more rapidly to addiction than in adults. People
who start drinking before the age of eighteen become addicted at much higher rates than those
who start drinking later. Alcohol interferes with the
physical, emotional, social, and spiritual growth of
children.

3. Examine our own attitudes and role modeling.
The perception that alcohol use is the norm makes
a young person more likely to use. Drinking patterns are learned at home.

4. Know -

and tell our children about - individual family risk.
People whose biological parents or grandparents
are alcoholic are at a higher risk for addiction if
they choose to use. High tolerance for alcohol indicates a person is at high risk for addiction.

5. Learn the signs that a young person is using
alcohol and seek help when needed.

6. Understand and warn against youthful patterns of alcohol use. Young people tend to
binge drink. They-seek intoxication. They can
drink themselves to death.
7. Take parenting instruction classes. Few of
us have been prepared for this most important responsibility. Most of us could improve our skills.

8. Help children develop resilience
• Teach them steps for making wise decisions.
• Role play how to "say no" and avoid risky situations.
• Model and create opportunities for good, twoway communication.
• Encourage self-expression.
• Foster situations and use language that promotes healthy self-esteem.
9. Become involved in providing alternative
activities for youth, and a variety of means for
their recreations, community service, creative expression, and personal achievement.
1O. Examine the community environment in regard to alcohol
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Access to alcohol.
Enforcement of laws and ordinances.
Consistency of school and community policies
and their enforcement.
Advertising and other marketing/industry influences.
Adult role modeling and attitudes about youthful use.
Sources of mixed messages.
Influences on community norms such as college culture, tourist trade, etc ..
Then participate in needed changes.

11. Network with other parents. Establish community standards. Support children in making no
use choices. Provide safe activities and celebrations.

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help from society while we're in prison it's hard to prove
such things. If volunteers do not want to come in here and
Dear Hunte!/
help us, we understand, it's prison, and no one wants to
We hope when you receive this letter that you and come here.
But as you peop/e·know, there are many other
your loved ones are in the best ofhealth and spirits. As
for us, we have run into some heavy road blocks. We have ways in which you could help us without being present
been trying to order language tapes and books, but the in- physically. But ifyou choose not to help us, or give us a
chance in any wa~ then society is being quite ignorant.
stitution has denied them to us by saying it's not impor!ant. It's frustrating because other groups have language
So the question at hand, are we going to begin
materials.
learning from one another, or are the Anishinabe people
Well we read your article in the December 1998
who have chosen to make mistakes in their pasts, always
'7urtle Talk'~ and in that article you stated that phrase/
going to be alone in this thing we cal/ life, without the unproverb, ''it takes a village to raise a child." You said how derstanding as to why! We are changed people, and now
you wished that everyone could live by those teachings
choose to do the right thing. Yet it appears as if society
more intensely. Well as a group, we have no doubt that (the Anishinabe people) have exiled us from understandyou honestly feel that way. So the only conclusion that we ing. k11y is that!
Now if society would sit back and ask themselves
are able to come up with, is this,; since we all made misif they have made mistakes, the answer would obviously
takes in our lives, and ended up in prison, we are no
longer part of that village/community. ls that safe to say! be yes. So maybe we made a few more bad choices and
Because that would explain why it's so hard for us to find maybe we made a few more mistakes. I can say that! But
or get any type of outside support. But still it makes every- that we now have talked about this we see that we are not
thing that much more confusing, because ifyou really look all that different. So ifyou choose to judge us badly, you
at it we all live in such an imperfect world, a world that
are in turn, judging yourself badly, as well as fa/sefully.
Also, people are mentioning values. There is anmakes it nearly impossible for us to live ''mistake free."
other word that goes with values. That word is morals.
Everyone is going to make a few bad choices in their life,
and just because the brothers here have made some bad
It's a given that each individual in society or in prison, has
his or her own set of values and morals about the way they
choices, that doesn't make it right for people, "especially
go through life.
Anishinabe people'~ to ignore us, write us off.
Now again, I repeat you sa~ it takes a village to
There are a lot of brothers in here that could be
raise a child. Well even though we are in prison, we really
strong leaders, ifgiven another chance and some guidance. It's bad that people are blind to this fact! I think the do feel and really do believe that we are still a part of that
village. So if society places right and wrong values and
reason people aren't helping the brothers who have already made bad choices, is because it's the easiest thing to morals in a child's mind, then that child will grow to
do! Now, even though some ofyou see the ignorance in know what is right and what is wrong. The village must
that way of thinking, none ofyou want to be the first to
keep an eye out and guide each child. I know that. Everyone should!
step up and do something about it! After all we're the
Lastly, I must say that our brothers here in prison
outcasts and by being the outcasts and choosing a hard
past and I quote "past'~ this makes us stronger and wiser! have a phrase/proverb, that we tend to go by.... Maybe
For we have been down and seen which paths not to take you could share it with someone, sometime. It goes as
in life! Now I say that we are stronger, because you gain such:
Man does not balance his thoughts in an instant
strength by making mistakes, and we are now wiser by
He does not do it even in many lives
choosing to use that strength to make the right choices in
Therefore he must learn
our lives now!
And
as
he
learns
by the experiences which life
The point I'm trying to make is that society tends to
brings to him
choose ignorance over - intelligence. So by labeling us
and by his observations of the experiences of others.
outcasts simply because of our pasts, is nothing less than
ignorance. Therefore, if that's the way society chooses to
look upon us, then they are ignorant in that form of reEditors Note:
spect as well as judgement. Society doesn't know us now,
Brian and others over the years have been turned
and they don't know the changes to which we have made down by the prison for supplies that could help them
in our lives, as well as our minds. So for once, please,
learn, as well as, volunteers that could go in and assist.
please, look beyond the cover and choose... .intelligence.
To seek more information, you may write to the attention
It's hard to really think positive about things going
of "Chaplain" at: Handlon Michigan Training Vnit, P.
on out there. We are doing everything possible so that
brothers are able to leave prison and begin to prove to so- O.Box 492, 1728 Bluewater Highway, Ionia, Ml
48846.
ciety that we have changed for the better! But without

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YOUTH DRUM omoLE UNDER WAY

They gathered around the large conference table
to begin making their first drumstick, something they'll
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probably keep for a l~ng time or maybe give it to
someone special. Whatever they choose they will have
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earned it.
A few members of the Owashtinong Chung-a-ming
Well you might have guessed, it is the youth
drum came by to lend a hand, so it was cool they wanted
drum circle striking the drum for the first time. Smiles
to be a part of this as well. The sticks that they are
spread across each veteran singer and drummer as they
currently using are from the Owashtinong Chung-a-ming
try to get the beginners on the beat. Ah yes, pasingers, after saymaa was properly given.
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tience ....... .
It's hard to believe that two sessions have already
We all started out at something for the first time
gone by and perhaps when you read this, they'll almost be
and this is definitely no different. Five, six, seven, eight,
half way through the six to eight weeks initially set aside
nine, ten year old youths all together trying to bring harfor this. As I mentioned, many of the little ones have
mony around the drum, to form unity in beat. Many
wondered what's going to happen beyond this, but only
who sing on area drums like Owashtinong, Rush Lake,
time will tell. It's fun to just watch them glow in the
High Spirit, War Party, Northern Sky, and many more all
present. You are welcome and encouraged to come by
started at the drum at some point in their lives. Some
and show your support for these young people.
didn't start drumming until their forties and if they were
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proposals linking non-profit organizations, private
businesses and educational institutions are
strongly encouraged.
REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS
The Grand Rapids City Commission has
MicroEnterprise Loan Project
allocated a maximum of $175,000 for this project.
Project Management Organization
These funds would be expected to support
project planning, project administration, and loan
The Community Development Citizen's
principal amounts, federal rules limit business
Committee and City of Grand Rapids seek
loan assistance to business owners with
proposals from business assistance
moderate or lower incomes, and other federal
organizations, community organizations, private
rules apply.
businesses, and educational institutions to
Proposal packages are available from the
manage a collaborative MicroEnterprise Loan
City of Grand Rapids Community Development
Project. This project would provide low-interest
Office, 4th floor, Room 460, City Hall, 300
loans to develop small businesses within Grand
Monroe NW. Questions may be directed to
Rapids. Minority business participation is
Barbara Hawke at 456-3677.
emphasized.
Proposals are due no later than March 26,
Proposers would be expected to
1999.
implement the project through all phases, from
plan~ing the project and marketing loans through
loan issuance and loan management. Business
technical assistance is essential. Collaborative

City of Grand Rapids
Community Development Block Grant

A Dozen Ways To Strengthen
Your Family
1. Spend time with each other, do things together as a family.
2. Plan ahead with your family so things will
happen and not "just happen."
3. Establish a reasonable balance between
outside activities, work schedules and your
family.
4. Talk with each other and listen carefully to
understand each other's viewpoint.
5. Show each family member consideration
and appreciation, especially in everyday
ways.
6. Respect each person thoughts and feelings.

his/her ideas,

7. Develop pride in your family.
8. Resolve problems and conflicts in a constructive way.
9. Help each other and be willing to let others
help you.
1 0. Contact and build ties with other families.
11. Take part in community affairs and use
community services.
1 2 . Develop a spiritual focus within your family.

CELEBRATE YOUR STRONGER
FAMILY!

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We h(lve h&lt;ld &lt;l lot ot tun while le&lt;lrning &lt;ibout ourselves &lt;ind kindness. During this p&lt;lst six weeks ot Young
E&lt;igles, we h&lt;lve been concenfr&lt;lting on kindness, sh&lt;lring, honesty, &lt;ind respect storiedrom the Red CliFFWellness
Curriculum . We (Ire le&lt;lrning th&lt;lt we must pr&lt;lctice these v(llues in our lives. B&lt;il&lt;lnce &lt;ind underst&lt;lnding these v(llues is
outgo&lt;il.
The butterfly (lctivity w(ls &lt;l be(lutitul story (lbout kindness. The Young E&lt;igles sh(lred &lt;ill the diFFerent w&lt;lys they
show kindness to others. We h&lt;lve decided together th&lt;lt the best time to be kind is before &lt;lnyone ;isks us to be kind.
The story W&lt;lS &lt;ibout how the butterfly brought h&lt;ippiness to the child ten ot the vill&lt;lge. To help the Young E&lt;igles remember the story, we m&lt;lde our own p&lt;iper &lt;ind glitter butterfly.
Also the Young E&lt;igles h&lt;lve been pr&lt;lcticing le&lt;lrning how to pronounce the correct N&lt;itive L&lt;ingu&lt;lge for our
body p&lt;lrts. We m&lt;lde selt portr(lits &lt;ind l&lt;ibeled them &lt;ill in Oiibw&lt;ly. When the Young E&lt;igles first come together we
&lt;llw&lt;lys pr&lt;lctice s&lt;lying our body p&lt;lrts together. They h;ive cre;ited their own ch&lt;lrt to put up &lt;lt home to help them remember.
It you know &lt;l young person between the gr&lt;ldes ot k-6 &lt;ind would like to become involved with the youth
group we (Ire &lt;llw&lt;lys h&lt;ippy to h(lve new members come ioin the tun. All you need is your p&lt;lrent/gu&lt;lrdi;in sign&lt;lture
on &lt;l filled out regisfr(ltion form . It yout not sute you w(lnt to ioin then iust come for &lt;l visit first, then decide. It you
h&lt;lve &lt;lny questions ple(lse c(lll Renee Dill&lt;lrd (lt 458-4078.

Ate You A Potential Peet Educator!
Ate you &lt;l good communic(ltot &lt;ind would like to sh(lre import&lt;lnt infotm(ltion with other youth? Ate you
concerned with N&lt;itive Ameticqn he&lt;llth issues with youth? Do you believe in the protection ot children who could use
some helpful infotm&lt;ltion &lt;ind possibly consider m&lt;lking he&lt;llthy decisions (ls &lt;l result ot &lt;l ptesent&lt;ltion you (Ire involved
in? It you &lt;lnsweted "Yes" to &lt;ill these questions you would ptob&lt;ibly m&lt;lke &lt;l good Native American youth peet educator. We (Ire getting ptep&lt;lted to fr&lt;lin &lt;l new cl&lt;iss ot peer educ(ltots this ye&lt;lt &lt;ind we (lte looking fot up to twelve youth
who w&lt;lnt to be &lt;l p&lt;irt ot it. It you (lte interested ple;ise te&lt;ld the following:

=&gt; You (lte invited to p&lt;lrticip&lt;lte with other peer educ(ltors &lt;ind teen le;idets in the community ;it &lt;l conference
Wednesd&lt;ly, M&lt;lrch 17th 9:00 &lt;lm to 2:15 p.m. This m&lt;ly help determine whether being &lt;l peet educqtot is fot you.
It you (lte &lt;ible to (lttend ple(lse cqll Renee Dill&lt;ltd by M&lt;ltch 10th, it you ;ite interested but un&lt;ible to (lttend there
will be &lt;l meeting set up fot cuttent &lt;ind newly interested peet educ(ltors. Ple(lse cont&lt;lct Renee fot more intotm&lt;ltion. Gr&lt;lnd R&lt;lpids Public School N&lt;itive Ametic(ln youths interested in becoming &lt;l peet educ;itot ple(lse c;ill
Renee for speci(ll infotm(ltion. (Gt&lt;ind R&lt;lpids Public School students will be excused to (lttend this conference).
=&gt; Out cuttent peet educ(ltots will help fr&lt;lin new youth to become peer educ(ltots. They will receive fr&lt;lining in import(lnt (lte(ls such &lt;lS: HIV/AIDS prevention, Alcohol &lt;ind other Drug &lt;lW&lt;lreness, &lt;ind Diversity &lt;lW&lt;lteness tr;iining.
As p&lt;lrt ot the fr&lt;lining cultur&lt;ll &lt;lW&lt;lteness &lt;ind sensitivity will ;ilw&lt;lys be utilized.

Cq// Renee Di/f4td Ifyou w&lt;1nt to come ot ifyou have &lt;1ny questions 458-4078.

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Sel( portrait language activity.

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Ptojects fot the camera.

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1999

NATIVE AMERICAN CRITICAL ISSUES CONFERENCE BULLETIN

NACIC 29th Annual Invitation
to Participants
March 25-27, 1999
For the past 29 years the NACIC has been designed to give participants the opportunity to examine
key issues that impact the educational process of our
Indian students and communities. The planning committee invites all persons who are concerned about
Michigan's American Indian students to attend this
conference. Title IX and the Johnson O'Malley programs continue to be our primary areas of involvement
in Michigan's public schools but we also must earnestly look at what is the future of Indian Education in
Michigan.
U of M Law Day &amp; Pow-Wow
This year's conference will be held in Ann Arbor
and will precede the annual U of M Law Day Program
and the student Pow Wow. All three of these events
have an long positive history in focusing on the critical
issues impacting Indian country. This will be a very
special week in Ann Arbor. The planning committee
continues to provide sessions, which target students
and adults in the K-12 system and Michigan's Higher
Education Institutions. The committee acknowledges
and recognizes the importance of the FIA Indian Outreach Program &amp; Community Health Representatives as
key delivery systems which impact the educational system.

Pre-conference activities will include training
about OIE and a special cultural presentations.

Keynoters
Our opening keynote speaker will be Edward
Benton-Banai, author and lecturer on the need for relevant cuture-based curriculum materials. Mr. BentonBanai is the author of the much-acclaimed "The Mishomish" book.
Dr. David Beaulieu, director of the Office of Indian Education will speak at our closing luncheon on
"American Indian Education Policy and Initiatives for the
21st Century."

Student Track
We are continuing our efforts to provide positive
leadership experiences for Indian students. The 1999
Youth Track will offer a combination of intensive and informational workshops designed to provide students
with a look at selected career options. The students
will spend a day experiencing a career in the communication, health, environmental, engineering, law, art &amp;
design, and computer technology fields.
For further information please contact: Sharon Kota
at 1-800-984-3101 x 337.

Women's Circle takes initiative on
Great Lakes water quality
By: Minnie Two Shoes
Walpole Island, Ontario (NFIC)

750, 000 gallons of sulfates will be pumped into
Lake Superior over the next four years, affecting
marshlands and water quality in the Great Lakes
The women of Walpole Island, an Ojibwa reserve
located on a tiny island on the northern shore of Lake Superior, are taking matters into their own hands.
At issue is what they are calling the pollution and environmental degradation of the St. Claire River, from the
discharge of sulfates into the river by Terra, a fertilizer plant
operated by a subsidiary of the Imperial Chemical Company
(ICC) of London, England.
ICC began discharging the sulfates into the river in
July, although the Women's Circle has been raising their
concerns since plans for the discharge were announced
over three years ago.

"The big thing is, we're fighting not only
the discharges, we're fighting for the health of the
rivers and lakes, and the regulators are not doing
their jobs," said Myrna Kicknosway, a member of
the Walpole Island women's group.
Environmental groups are also concerned
with the effect the discharges will have on the
water quality and lifestyle of the people of Walpole Island, and they predict it will affect the water quality of Lake Superior and eventually all of
the Great Lakes.
The increased levels of sulfates will affect
the delicate balance of the marshlands on Walpole
Island and the wild foods and game animals that
are a part of the marsh's habitat and which play an
important role in the local food chain used by Natives, said Kicknosway.
Because of their concerns, the Women's
Circle of Walpole Island will meet with Canadian
officials and citizen groups to discuss the scientific
evaluation of the effects of the discharge and to
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Ru.th E. Minor (Genereamx)
N overnlber 24 1927 - March 2nJ 1998
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I am the resurrection, and
The life
He that believeth in me,
Though he were dead,
Yet Shall he Live,
And Whosoever Liveth
And believeth in me
Shall never die.
John 11:25 - 26

Office of Indian Education Poster Competition
The office of Indian Education, U.S. Department of Education, is seeking poster designs for a poster
to be distributed initially at the 30th annual convention of the National Indian Education Association
during October 1999. The winning poster design will be mass produced and distributed nationally.
Requirements: The design should include an Indian Education theme and may include the concept
of lool&lt;ing to the year 2000 and later. The design should be in color in any medium and submitted in
an 8 1/2 x 11-inch format on white bond paper. Each submission should include student name, age,
tribal affiliation, and school. An individual may submit only one design for poster consideration.

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Eligible Contestants: Any K-12 Title IX eligible student is encouraged to submit a design.
Awards: The student submitting the winning design will be provided with lodging and expenses for the
student and chaperone to be recognized at the 1999 National Indian Education Association Conven
tion in Ol&lt;lahoma City.
Competition Submission and Deadline: All design entries must be postmarked no later than
April 1, 1999 to be eligible for poster consideration. Entries should be mailed to the following
address: OIE Poster Contest, Office of Indian Education, U.S. Department of Education,
400 Maryland Avenue, SW, Room 3Wl 11, Washington DC 20202-6335.
A selection committee will review all submissions. Announcement of the poster winner will be made by
May 15, 1999. Entry submissions will become the properly of the Office of Indian Education and will
not be returned to contestants. Questions regarding poster competition may be addressed to the fol
lowing: Ross Byington (202) 260-1519, Amos Goodfox (Z02) 260-1637, Bernard Garcia
(202) 260-1454.

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CALENDAR OF EVENTS
March 20-21: Pokagon Band of Potawatomi "Catch
Your Dreams" Red Road Traditional Pow Wow.
Dowagiac Union High School. For more info call
Judy Winchester at 616-782-1142.
March 24-26: Native American Critical Issues Conference. Ann Arbor, Ml. Clarion Hotel. For more
information call Paul Johnson at 517-339-1069 or
Sharon Kofa at 810-984-3101 ex. 337.

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"Dance for Mother Earth." Ann Arbor, Ml. Crisler
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Destry Contreras
Michael Dillard
Darcy Emert
Maryanne Fasburg
Lillian Garcia
Cherri Gibbs
Ed Gillis
Joe John
Tammy Leaureaux
Craig Lett
Julius Lewis
Wayne Loonsfoot Jr.
Jonnie Mackey
Henry Mark
Kyle McSauby
Arianna Memberto
Paul Morrisson
Jennie P. Pigeon
Norman Pigeon
Pat Pigeon
Elsie Raphael
Al Recollect
Tina Sams
Will Shananaquet
Gary Shawa
Richard Shenoskey Jr.
Lance Shirley
Bret Shomin I
Bret Shomin II
George Shomin
Joe Shomin
Linda Shomin
Edna Shriner
Grace Shriner
Randy Slaght
Daisy Sprague
Taneasha Stevenson
Tawas Thomas
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seek remedies.
Native and ecological groups from both sides
of the border, including the Indigenous Environmental Network and the Green Party, will attend to
show support for the Women's Circle efforts.
For more information contact Myrna at:
519-627-8365.

Sponsored by the
Native American Student
Organization of GVSU.

Sunday, April 18, 1999
Grand Entry at 12:00 noon!
Grand River Room of the Kirkhof
Center on the campus of Grand Valley State
University in Allendale, Ml.

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NATIVE AMERICAN

PREVENTION

SERVICES

615 Turner Ave., NW Rm. 32-8 ·Grand Rapids, Ml 49504
.Telephone: (616) 45M078 Fax: (616)458-209~

(Sucker Moon)

APRIL 1999

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INSIDE THIS ISSUE:

Spirit Wind

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Festival "99 Appl.

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GVSU Educ. Conn.

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Mi· Child

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Dance Gathering

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Healthy Heart Prog.

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Sobriety Walk '99

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Newsletter Coordinator:
Hunter Genia

Volunteer Editor:
Sharon Horton

Layout:
Wanda Blanco

Contributors:
IFR/NAPS Staff
Turtle Talk's mission is to provide its readership with reports of local and national
interest which may affect
and impact our Native
American community. Special emphasis will be placed
on prevention information.
Turtle Talk is published by
Native American Prevention
Services, in cooperation with
the Kent County Health
Department

Turtle Talk due dates:
Submissions to Turtle Talk
must be received in our office by the first of each
month for the upcoming
month's issue. (Not all material submitted can be used.)
If you have a story or information you would like to
share with Turtle Talk, please
send it with your name, address and phone number.
You will be recognized by
name in Turtle Talk if your
article is used.

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Spirit Wind Recovery
Mni-doo Noodin

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Two years ago, Susan Ives and Gene Salgat met at a twelve
step recovery meeting on the West Side. Salgat and Ives both had the
idea to start a twelve step support group meeting for Native Americans.
Salgat started a small group at the West Side Complex and Ives formed
a group on Fulton Street. They decided to merge the two groups.
lves's Saturday meeting grew fast and Salgat approached Lora Church/
Hunter Genia at Indian Family Resources. From there started the Second Native American Recovery Group for substance abuse. Our people
started to gather for these meetings. Roger High of the west side
started a Tuesday night meeting with the help of Barney Halfaday.
They organized a meeting with traditional teachings by video. This
meeting is based on twelve step teachings from the Medicine Wheel.
Recently, a leisure night to work on crafts has started for those in recovery and their family.
Sue Ives speaks of the movement going on for the Indian people
recovering from drugs and alcohol. She has been sober for twenty-two
years and seen the pain inflicted on the Indian race. Gene Salgat and
Barney Halfaday both Vietnam combat veterans know the suffering of
war and substance abuse. It's not unusual to see four or five veterans
around our circle. We welcome all people to join our circle. The disease of alcoholism and drug addiction does not discriminate race, color,
or religion. We want a place where Indian people feel welcomed.
Through learned behavior and oppression we have been victims of a
disease unknown to our early ancestors. Enough can't be said about
the pains our people have suffered through the bottle. Loretta Castaneda talks about family destruction caused by alcohol. She grew up in
an environment surrounded by bars and street life. Loretta has been
sober over two years. She has learned about balance in her life and the
importance of spirituality. Richard John shares how his life has
changed since the three years he has been sober. His faith as a Native
American has improved. He has a good relationship with his family.
Roger High has learned about being Indian through a sober mind. He
grew up not knowing culture or tradition. Barney Halfaday shares his
past and the pain alcohol has brought him. Eighteen year old Patty Ives

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Native American Prevention Services
Staff:
Lora Church

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New Parent Committee For Title IX
Program Seeks ..Parent Participation
By Jeff Davis

Program Director

Hunter Genia
Caseworker /Wellness Educator

Renee Dillard
Prevention Specialist/Educator

VACANT
Prevention Specialist/Educator

Wanda Blanco
Office Services Coordinator

The Parent Committee for the Title IX Indian Education
Program is looking for parents of Native American children that attend the Grand Rapids Public Schools (GRPS) or the Kent Intermediate Schools (KISD) to get actively involved in the education of
their children. The following officers for the Title IX program were
elected in October 1998: Jeff Davis, Chairperson; Trisha T rasky,
Vice-chairperson. The committee meets the second Wednesday of

t--------------------- every month from 6:30 to 8:00 p.m. at the West Middle School
The goal of Native American Prevention Services is to
deliver services and information that encourage
healthy lifestyles while discouraging the use of alcohol
and other drugs.

t--'--------------------Our program strives to ensure the information and
services provided that are culturally relevant and
age-appropriate.
We Provide:
Information - relevant to the Native American lifestyle.
Assistance and referrals - can be provided to community members as well as professionals about issue~
related to A.T.O.D. (alcohol, tobacco, other drugs)
Native American Youth Groups - are divided according to grade level and meet once a week throughout
the year.
Consultations and Presentations - can be provided to
schools, organizations, community groups, including
parents, on substance abuse prevention and/or culturally related topics.
Special Programs and Activities - are provided to
youth, parents and elders.

Campus, 615 Turner N.W., Grand Rapids, Room 241.

The Parent Committee is reviewing the present Title IX
program and is seeking to make necessary changes to ensure that
we are providing our children the best possible opportunity to succeed. We are looking at providing additional tutorial services
to those children most in need, and we are also working toward
providing cultural enrichment programs, primarily accessing
those activities that are currently being provided by the GRPS'
Multi-Cultural Office.
In addition, the Parent Committee and the Title IX Program have invited the Superintendent of Grand Rapids Public
Schools, Ms. Patricia Newby, to a meeting to discuss issues of concern for our children and to encourage an open and continuing dia
logue on all aspects of Native American education within GRPS.
The meeting will take place on May 4, 1999, at 7 p.m. at the
West Middle School campus.
The Title IX program is a supplemental program to those
provided by GRPS and KISD. We look forward to working cooperatively with these school districts to improve the educational op
portunities for our children. To that end, the Parent Committee
has begun to restructure the program, refocusing Title IX re-

...• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •. . sources to provide services to those children within the school sys
We have worked closely in the past
Spirit Wind Continued
with Dr. Cathy Large, the LEA from GRPS, and will continue to do
has joined the Circle. She contributed to the so in the future to ensure that all available GRPS services are being
youth by following the sober path her parents accessed by our children.

r--------------------- tern that are m most need.

walked.
Scott Saboo and Tim Loonsfoot of the Grand
River Singers have been supportive of the
Circle. The door is always open. Anyone
with the desire to stop drinking or using
drugs is welcomed. We need your support in
the comrr.unity and one meeting could save
a life.
Mni-Doo Noodin Miigwetch,
Spirit Wind Recovery
*See page 4 for the schedule.

Title IX, GRPS and KISD are combining their efforts to better prepare our children to meet the challenges of the next millenium. Working together we can ensure that our children are afforded every opportunity to become successful, contributing citizens to our Tribal Communities and the Grand Rapids community.
Migwetch, to all of those that have given so much time and
effort in the past and continue to provide their support to this very
worthwhile program. Chi Migwetch to Dr. Cathy Large, we thank
you for your hard work and devotion to ensuring that our children
are provided with the tools needed in today's world.

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Native American Prevention Services &amp; Indian Family Resources
615 Turner Ave., NW Rm. 32-8, Grand Rapids, Ml 49504
Phone: (616) 458-1641/458-4078, Fax:

(61~) ·458-2096 .

Festival '99 Food Booth
June 4-6, 1999

VOLUNTEER

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I state that I am physiccilty fit for the event and I waive my rights that I may have against the N'i'tive American
Prevention Services,. Indian Family Resources, and Inter-Tribal Council of Michigan, Inc., Ws employees,
volunteers, or sponsors for· damage or injury occasioned by my participation in this event. I also authorize the use .
of any photographs, ·personal narrative, interviews and video recording of my ,participation in this event for any
and all purposes.
Participant's Signature _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Date_ _ _ _ _ _ _ __
If under 18, parent or guardian's sign.ature - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The above mentioned organizations are not obligated to provide a Festival '99 Food Booth assignment, nor are you obligated
to accept the position offered. Volunteer opportunities are provided without regard to religion, creed, race,
national origin, age, or sex.

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Native American AA Meetings and Activities Agenda
Monday
* Leisure time and crafts
@ First step House, Bridge street, Grand Rapids at 7:00 - 9:00 PM

Tuesday
* Visual rwelve step Teachings on culture and Tradition, discussion after the
video.
@ second Chance Alano, Fulton Street, Grand Rapids at 8:30 - 9:30 PM
Thursday
* Native American closed meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
@ west Middle School, corner of Broadway and Turner, Grand Rapids
at 6:00 - 7:00 PM.
Saturday
* Native American open Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous
* Friends and Family Invited
* second Chance Alano, Fulton street, Grand Rapids at 12:00 - 1:OO PM

Mni-doo Noodin Participants
(Pictured)
Sue Ives, Patty Ives, and Loretta Castaneda

(Pictured)
Richard John, Barney Halfaday, Roger
High and Qene Salgat. Not pictured
Scott Saboo, and Tim Loonsfoot

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GVSU EDUCATIONAL
CONNECTIONS

the Educational Connections Off ice to set up an appointment with an advisor or: have the person call our
office directly.
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25 Commerce Avenue SW
Lower Level
Grand Rapids, MI 49503-4100

Please urge prospective clients to make an appointment before they come to our office to ensure
that there will be an advisor to meet with them ..

Phone: 616-336-7110/Fax: 616-336-7115
Hours: 8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Monday through Friday

Follow-Up:
At your request, we will provide you with periodic updates as to the status of persons you have referred to our off ice.

June Mamagona Fletcher, Director
Aura E. Ortiz, Advisor
Cassonya Carter, Advisor
Santiago Zapata, J'r., Advisor/Teacher
Diane Alexander, Program Coordinator

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Services: Project services include:
The Theater of the Three Fires is holding
1. Career and academic advising.
open auditions to develop additional talent pool for
2. Assistance with admissions and financial
plays to be performed by the theater group. The
aid applications to schools both in and out-ofnext production will be in the middle of June 1999
state.
with dates and name ofplays to be announced at
3. Application fee waivers/deferments to
auditions. Ifyou want more information please
schools and ACT tests (MUST be income
call Roger Williams at (616) 245-4316. Auditions
eligible).
will be held on the evenings of Tuesday, April 13
4. Administration and evaluation of career
and Wednesday, April 14, 1999 at 6:00 p.m. at the
interest inventories.
West Middle School Building in collaboration with
Native American Prevention Services. The theater
5. Arranging for school visits and campus
group
is also looking for additional volunteers to
tours.
_ assist with and become involved with theatrical pro6. Referral to other agencies/programs.

Description: Educational Connections is a career and
educational resource center funded by the U.S. Department of Education administered by Grand Valley
State University. The program provides information
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and services to people interested m continuing or resuming their education.

Referral Pl'ocedure:
If you identify a person whom you feel is interested
in and would benefit from our program, either call

441 KNAPP N.E.
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Matthew Whip:

Jessica Lewis.·

Matt's parents are Steve and Michelle Whip. Matt
is a senior at City High. In addition to hockey, he
also plays soccer and baseball. He is in the
National Honors Society and was a student
representative to Rotary in his junior year. Last
spring he was awarded an Excellence in
Education award from the Grand Rapids
Foundation. Matt has been accepted to the
University of Michigan and plans to study premed. Matt's favorite subjects are math and
science. In his spare time, Matt enjoys
snowboarding and playing sports. His coach
comments, "Speed and determination have been
the hallmarks of Matt's game." He also is a fine
young man. Matt should go very far in life."

My name is Jessica Lewis and I am a member of
the Grand River and Little River Bands of Ottawa
Indians. This year I am a senior at East Kentwood
High School. During high school I have been a
member of the National Honor Society, Class of
1999 Secretary, and Chairperson of the Student
Council Volunteer Committee. I have
participated as a member of the Dance Team,
Youth Service Organization, and as a Teen
Institute Teen Leader. I encourage other
students to become involved. Academics are
important, but the other activities are what really
expand a person's character. This past summer I
was selected to participate in the Macy's
Minorities in Medicine Program at University of
Michigan. This program not only offered me the ·
opportunity to explore my interest in medicine,
but to meet other students with similar goals. It
also gave me a first-hand view of university life. I
highly recommend this program to any others
who may have the opportunity.
I have recently been accepted to the
University of Michigan College of Literature,
Science, and the Arts. I have been awarded a
four-year, full tuition scholarship by the
University, and a first year board scholarship from
the Steelcase Foundation for my academic
achievement. My goal is to go into medidne,
specializing in pediatrics or neonatology. My two
sisters and I were all born prematurely. I have
always had a great respect and appreciation for
the special people who cared for us. I would like
to be able to provide help for the children of our
community in the future.

Ifyou have a Native American
student graduating, send a
photo, information to share,
example:
interests, hobbies, and
academic achievements to
"Turtle Talk".

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Ml-Child (pronounced "My Child"), is Michigan's
new children's health plan, that will provide public
funds to help insure children of working low or
moderate income families that do not qualify for
Medicaid. An additional 156,000 children are
eligible for the Ml-Child plan. With this new
program 97% of all children will have access to
health insurance.

What is Healthy Kids?
Healthy Kids is a part of the Mich-Care Medicaid
Program. It provides health coverage for low
income children and pregnant women.

Who is eligible?
To meet eligibility requirements, children must:
• Be citizens of the U.S. (some legal immigrants
qualify as well).
• Be residents of Michigan, even if for a short
time.
• Be under 19 years old.
• Have no health insurance.
• Have a Social Security number.
• Live in a family with a monthly income under:
$1,809 for 2
$2,275 for 3
$2,742 for 4
$3,209 for 5
$3,675 for 6
$4, 142 for 7
$4,609 for 8
$5,075 for 9
$5,542 for 10

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Lab and diagnostic imaging
Prescription medications
Medical care

Dental care
Emergency care
Prenatal care and delivery
Limited mental health services
Limited substance abuse services

How do I apply?
Ask the staff and providers at Cherry Street Health
Services or one of its satellite sites:
Cherry Street Health Center
550 Cherry SE
(616) 235-7272
Burton Health Center
21 35 Buchanan SW
(616) 247-3638
Salvation Army Booth Family Services
1215 E. Fulton Street
(616) 459-9468
Westside Health Center
669 Stocking NW
(616) 235-1480
Belknap Commons Health Center
751 Lafayette NE
(616) 7 42-9945
For assistance with applications or if you have
questions, please contact Cristina Aguilar at Cherry
Street - 616-235-7272.

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Women's Traditi~nal Dance Gatherinn
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vided us with a wonderful warm meal, as well as, hot chocolate to
warm our insides. Many people are thinking we need to start
working on our snow snakes for next year at Winter Camp. Maybe
even a state tournament!

Friday, May 14th
Saturday, May 1 5th
Location: Dominican Center at
Marywood
2025 East Fulton
Grand Rapids, Ml 49503-3895
(616) 454-1241
Bring your friends and relatives and join us as we learn
the difference between social &amp; spiritual dances. This
gathering has been designed for:

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Anishinabek Women (Native American)
Anishinabek young ladies
Pow-Wow participants
Dancers
Non-dancers

Our focus this year will be the CORN GRINDING
DANCE/ FISH DANCE/ SW AN DANCE. There will be
women available to give their opinions on regalia at
our contemporary gatherings.

A Young Eagle gets cheered on by others during a
Snowsnake Toss!
When the Young Eagles came back together it was St. Patrick's
day. Our activity was all about how we believe we are lucky. Making four leaf clovers, the Young Eagles decorated them with pictures of family and homes. Many of the youth believe we are lucky
because we have made the decision to not smoke and get addicted. Young Eagles found out they make their own luck by making good choices.

"This is an open invitation to others who may remember
these older dances. Please come and share your
knowledge with your Native American sisters from the
Michigan community."
Hosted by:
- Native American Prevention Services
- Indian Family Resources.

* For more information please contact Renee Dillard at

The Young Eagles hold up their display from the St Patrick's activity!

(616) 458-4078 or Debra K. Muller at (616) 458-1641.

AND THERE IS MORE!

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For the month of April we have a exciting new project for the entire
community to enjoy. The Young Eagles have been working on the
idea of a mural with the theme of NATIVE PRIDE. The Anishnabek
Youth Leadership Council has been invited to help us, and they are
just as anxious to get started. The mural will be painted on the
Last month the East Jordan Title IX Indian Education pro- retaining wall supporting up 1-196 on the south end of our parking
gram invited the Young Eagles to come and play snow snake with lot here at our office. Many ideas have been given to our lead
them. What great fun we had! Many of us never played snow
artist Candi Wesaw who has been generous with her talents for
snake before. But even so, we came away with two first place
this worthwhile project. If you would like to get involved with us or
plaques. Our Grand Rapids group did very well overall, everyone
have the time to help chaperone the event, please call the office
came home with a prize. Our Title IX hosts were gracious and pro- 458-4078 and ask for Hunter or Renee.

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HEALTHY HEART PROGRAM INITIATES IN
GRAND RAPIDS
BY JEAN JOHNS AND JOHN ALDRED~
Diabetes and heart disease are so common that many Native Americans accept them as a fact of life. However, with
more and more Native Americans dying from their long-term complications, this attitude has to change. The purpose of
the Mmin-nuh-gah-dah Healthy Heart Program is to establish early screening for diabetes and heart disease.
My name is JEAN JOHNS and I am the new Health Educator for the Mmim-nuh-gah-dah-Healthy Heart Program. I am
an enrolled member of the Keweenaw Bay Tribe of Michigan. I received my health education degree from Northern
Michigan University in 1993 and have worked as a Health Educator in a variety of community health settings. Most recent position was as a coordinator for the Wisconsin Women's Cancer Control Program.
I have two daughters, Amy and Susan. The oldest daughter, Susan, lives in Prior Lake, MN and the youngest daughter,
Amy, lives in Marquette, Ml. I also have two grandchildren, Ashley, who is six years old and Michael, who is two years
old.
As the Health Educator for the Healthy Heart Program, my goal is to reduce cardiovascular disease and diabetes by providing early screening and treatment for Native Americans in the counties of Allegan, Barry, Ionia, Kent, Montcalm,
Muskegon and Ottawa. Early screening and treatment are an important aspect of preventing and treating both of these
diseases. Both diabetes and heart disease are very prevalent in the Native American population.
Aanii, JOHN ALDRED n'dish-nikaaz, the new Health Promotion Disease Prevention Specialist for the InterTribal Council of Ml, Inc. I am part of the Healthy Heart Program designed to screen Native Americans and their families for diabetes and heart disease, and to refer them to health care services that are sensitive to the cultural traditions
of Native Americans, thus making these services user friendly. As a main focus, I intend to teach people about ways to
prevent any disease state from happening. It's not just a program about heart disease and diabetes, but about how we,
individually, view our surroundings. In future articles, I will address this topic.
I am a representative of the Loonsfoot Clan, residing on the land reserve called Keweenaw Bay Indian Community. I received my formal education and experience from Central Michigan University, majoring in Health &amp; Rtness:
Prevention and Rehabilitation. For four years, Mt. Pleasant was my home, as well as the home for CMU and the
Saginaw Indian Chippewa Tribe. During my school years, I had the opportunity to meet a variety of interesting and intelligent anishnabeg. From their teachings, I gained a better perception of reality. I have them to thank for expanding my
understanding and vision of the Creator's plan for the universe.
So here I am, with you, in this community, waiting to share my ideals and visions, as well as, to learn from you,
and to expand my understanding of life. Chi-migwetch, ahead of time for the teachings you have to offer me. Together,
we will learn, we will teach, and we will grow. Baamaa-pii!
If you are interested in learning more about the Mmin-nuh-gah-dah-Healthy Heart Program, please call the Indian Family Resources and Native American Prevention Services at (616) 458-1641. Our office is located at 615 Turner Street,
Grand Rapids, Ml 49504.

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April 18: GVSU Mini Pow Wow. Sponsored by the
Native American Student Organization of GVSU.
Allendale Campus of GVSU in Allendale, Ml. For
more information contact Amy Vega at 774-3083.

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April 22-24: Gathering of Nations Pow WoVI· Albuquerque, New Mexico. For more info. call
(505) 836-2810.

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Spring Traditional Pow Wow. Lebanon, Indiana.
Boone County 4-H Grounds - Community Building.
For more info call: (765) 482-3315.

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call (734) 763-8631.
May 29-30: 8th Annual Morning Star Traditional
Pow Wow. "Honoring Turtle Island" at Muskegon
County Fairgrounds. For more info call (616)2716026. Saturday/Sunday afternoon and evening
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April Blumke
Jesse L. Boda
Doug Bohjanen
Misty Bowen
Dawn Bush
Casey Church
Michael Corby
Levi Albert Crampton
Whitney Davis
Robin Ensley
JoAnne Fox
John Hart
Charlene J. Hatfield
Monica Kelly
Denise Kimble
Mickey Kiogima
Edna Kenoshmeg
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Corey Loonsfoot
Mary Ann Mashka
Roseanne Moore
Madelyn Nadowegesa
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PREVENTION SPECIALIST/EDUCATOR

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for Native American Prevention Services, Grand Rapids, Ml. B.A. or B.S. in Education, School/Health Education, Human Services or equivalent related experience. The prevention specialist needs an understanding
of prevention theory practices, exhibit a willingness to learn about the Native American culture and community. Skills in planning, promoting and delivering community-based substance abuse prevention programs, with public speaking and/or teaching experience. Will facilitate a youth group. Good organizational
skills with attention to detail. Send resume with three (3) Letters of References to: Renee Daniels, InterTribal Council of Ml, Inc., 405 E. Easterday Ave., Sault Ste. Marie, Ml 49783. Closing date is Friday,
April 30, 1999. EEO agency. Inquiries call Lora Church at (616) 458-4078.

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Opening Ceremony at 9:30 a.m.
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This is a fundraising event with everyone invited to join as a participant. Yet, the
higher purpose to having the Sobriety Walk is to support those on the red road (recovery road);
to support those who have chosen to live alcohol and drug-free; to heighten the awareness of
how alcohol and drugs impact our lives; to support the healthy lifestyle concept; and to support our people, culture and traditions.
Come by the NAPS/I FR office after Wednesday, April 21st to pick up your pledge sheets and
T-shirts Honored Name forms.
You're also invited to help us organize another successful Walk by attending our next Sobriety
Walk planning meeting set for Tuesday, April 13th at 6:30 p.m. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Lora.
Individual Grand Prize: One Pendleton blanket
Tearn Grand Prize (up to 6 people on a team): One Pendleton backpack for each team
member (2nd &amp; 3rd Individual and Team prizes and door prizes will also be awarded).
T-shirt Honored Names Section:
Honor a family member, friend or loved one (living or in memory of) by having their name
printed on the 4th Annual Sobriety Walk T-shirt. This year we will introduce a category entitled,
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A dream I once had...
By Jennifer R. Williams
Dreams of passion,
Wings ofgold,
This is from what I have been told.
Cool refuge is where I belong,
Without the doubt of once a blue's song,
Sharing to me a jealousy,
I've heard before,
But chose to ignore.
But descends under a mask,
Still, alive, waiting for a task.
Surrender now to your darkest day,
For you shall soon see no sky's ofgray.
You shall sing a lullaby,
Or at least unfailingly try.
The melody of life,
Street music, listening, playing, dreaming,
Of the colors all streaminig,
Lost in the dark of that thrill called life,
Streams of gray but mauled by blue,
So sit in the fields lit by the moon,
And fear no creatures featured in the lagoon.
Take a moment for yourself,

Take a moment for yourself,
Or store your memories on a shelf.
Take your dre!ms hold them close,
Visions given to you
Treasures ofgold,
Keep them in your mind and heart,
For you shall never part,
Write songs and stories
That this beholds,
And write what the future holds,
Across the sky,
Running beastly without a care,
Streams of light beat down on me,
For what I've shown sweet jealousy,
They take me now without a message,
The shadow of fall of the new passage,
Silently seeping, Rowing, grasping,
Though I find it all too fascinating,
The closing the best,
/'I/ leave the rest,
Determine the ending,
For I have heard nothing but minds rattling,
Good bye sweet fields of green and lavendar,
For they had once only heard her.

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                    <text>LETTER
Waawaaskone-Giizis

MAY 1O1999

MAY 1999

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INSIDE THIS ISSUE :

Anishinabek Mural

1

Volunteers

3

Clinton for N.A.

5

Festival '99

7

Circle ofRelatives

9

Women's Gathering

10

City Kids Golf

12

Newsletter Coordinator.
Hunter Genia

Volunteer Editor:
Sha :·on Horton

Layout:
Wanda Blanco

Contributors:
IFR/NAPS Staff
Turtle Talk's mission is to provide its readership with reports of local and national
interest which may affect
and impact our Native
American community. Special emphasis will be placed
on prevention information.
Turtle Talk is published by
Native American Prevention
Services, in cooperation with
the Kent County Health
Department

Turtle Talk due dates:
Submissions to Turtle Talk
must be received in our office by the first of each
month for the upcoming
month's issue. (Not all material submitted can be used.)
If you have a story or information you would like to
share with Turtle Talk, please
send it with your name, address and phone number.
You will be recognized by
name in Turtle Talk if your
article is used.

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We have an exciting new project for the entire Grand Rapids community to enjoy for years to come. Here in the Westside community, members
of the Young Eagles and Anishinabek Youth Leadership Council have been
working on a huge wall mural with the theme of "Native Pride". The mural
project and native pride theme alone has been enough to inspire many beautiful ideas about what should be designed. Community member Candi Wesaw
has been very instrumental with her ability to interpret our young people's feelings and ideas concerning Native Pride. Together, with the youth groups working on their ideas, it will result in a beautiful artistic work that our Native Youth
can share for the entire community to see for years to come. Candi has been
encouraging the youth to get out of their preconceived idea of how to paint.
She has been challenging the youth to use more than just paint brushes.
Leaves, feathers, and foam are just some of the creative tools that Candi will be
incorporating into the mural project.
More than just Native American Prevention Services youth groups have
loaned their assistance to support this project. The Weed and Seed program
helped us with acquiring paint; parents and family members have donated
brushes; another lumber company that one Young Eagle parent works at had
paint pans and brushes donated as well. So it has been more than just the
youth who have been enthusiastic about the entire project. Everyone involved
seems to understand that this project is designing, what hopes to be, a mainstay
for everyone to admire for many years to come. We at Native American Prevention Services have hopes that as the project goes forward individuals and
other community organizations will feel generous and help with paint or financial donations. We will be working on this project for approximately the next
month.
The location of the mural is just south of the parking lot for our office
here on Broadway and Turner. The total wall surface is approximately 25 foot
tall and 140 foot long. So this mural is rather a big undertaking for any group
to accomplish. Please drive by or check us out in the evening to see if there is
a crew of young people working and offer them a honk of encouragement.
Again, if you would like to make a monetary contribution for this project
please direct a check or money order to Young Eagles Mural project. If you
would like to inquire on how we are doing with the paint supply and other materials for this huge project, just give us a call at the number listed above and/
or use the address above. Kchi-Migwech!

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Grand Valley State University
Pow Wow, the Start of an
Annual Gathering!

Native American Prevention Services
Staff:
Lora Church

Program Director
Hunter Genia

Who would've thought that ten years ago at
this
time,
the mention of a pow wow at Grand Valley
Renee Dillard
State University would've actually become a reality, or
Prevention Specialist/ Educator
for
that matter even a year ago. With the exception
VACANT
of
the
Veteran's Pow Wow a few years ago, many NaPrevention Specialist/Educator
tive American brother and sister students sort of just
Wanda Blanco
Office Services Coordinator
went to college there. It wasn't considered a school
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The goal of Native American Prevention Services is
They don't offer a language class, Native American
to deliver services and information that encourage
studies or law, or anything else other than a class on
healthy lifestyles while discouraging the use of alNative Americans. It was and still is a good school to
cohol and other drugs.
get your degree, however, but thanks to a few dedi- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - cated students perhaps things will change even more.
Our program strives to ensure the information and
For one everyone can put the dates of Apri·I 22 &amp; 23
services provided that are culturally relevant and
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age-appropriate.
2000 on your calendar. It will be the 2nd Annual
Grand Valley State University Pow Wow. It actually
sounds pretty odd to hear that, but it is about time,
We Provide:
don't you think?
Information - relevant to the Native American lifeYes, we have had appearances by individuals
style.
and
groups
such as: Floyd RedCrow Westerman, RodAssistance ancl referrals - can be provided to community members as well as professionals about isney Grant, De-bah-jeh-mu-jig Theater and even Red
sues related to A.T.O.D. (alcohol, tobacco, other
Thunder Theater/Dance group. However, this was
drugs)
something different and even the feeling was a lot difNative American Youth Groups - are divided acferent. This is due to the fact that next year at this
cording to grade level and meet once a week
time we can actually lock in the dates of April 22 &amp;
throughout the year.
23 in the little town of Allendale, Ml, but at the ever
Consultations and Presentations - can be provided
growing campus of Grand Valley State University.
to schools, organizations, community groups, includSo go ahead and mark your calendars for
ing parents, on substance abuse prevention and/or
those
dates
because we have been assured that this
culturally related topics.
is a definite time when we can answer, "we're going
Special Programs and Activities - are provided to
to the Grand Valley State University Pow Wow" to the
youth, parents and elders.
question of what are you doing that weekend.
Caseworker /Wellness Educator

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Free Food!
Come and Play

Free Prizes!

Free Fun For The Whole Family!

You May Take Home A .... BICYCLE!

TICKETS ARE FREE!!!
Thursday, May 13, 1999 at West Middle School Gym
615 Turner, NW, Grand Rapids, Ml
@ 5:00 - 7:30 P.M.
Call 771-3318

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Lora Church.
Volunteers Names: Peter Crane, Liz Ishak, Michelle Scott, Tom Botham, Betty Davis, Trisha
Traskey, Loma VanTiL, Casey Church, Jim Genia,
Morty Abish, Nancy Abish, Linda Bessey, Heather
Colthurst, Scott Colthurst, Diane Friar, Beth OudWhat would we do without volunteers? The
bier, Jackie Homant, Dan Hossler, Sue Ives,
answer is very obvious to me, we would sink! Vol- Loretta Castaneda, Carny Casteneda, Shirley
unteers and in particular speaking of the ones that Loonsfoot, Helen Hillman, Barb Shenoskey, Courthelp us here at the Native American Prevention
ney Biggs, Joan Otten, Angela Abraham, Tom PeServices and Indian Family Resources, have simply terson, MD, Maggie Gillis, Men from Vets Center,
Tony Martinaitis, Roger Williams, Jack Chambers,
been "dy-no-mite!"
They have been dynamite for us because
Punkin Shananaquet, Diana Tourongeau, June
without them the enormous task set forth in our
Fletcher, Matt Blumpke, Mary Roberts, Simon
Francis, Fran Compo, Chris Shomin, Bill Durkalee,
objectives and goals to do at work, would be one
big mountain to climb. So volunteers, we would
Emmanuel Noboa, Frank Murphy, Rebecca Czarlike to say a big Kchi-migwech for your tremennowski, Autumn McDonald, Jennifer Decator, Carla
dous support and time in helping us and in effect,
Burr, Martha Barrientos, Norma Prieto and Rob
helping our community who benefit.
Horton.
1 would like to start this off by acknowledging those that have made my job easier to do
Renee Dillard:
thanks to their time, particularly in the last year.
I would like to take a moment to acknowledge the
Although some would be a little embarrassed, shy, following people who have made it possible for me
or kchi-humble (eh), I believe their names are
to move forward with some exciting programs. I
would not be able to do many of the activities with
worth mentioning.
out the support from individuals/ organizations as
Turtle ·Talk Support: Sharon Horton, Rob Horton,
well as entire families who have stepped forward
Diana Tcurongeau, Dan Brink and students from
to volunteer their time and efforts.
West Middle, and the community people who send Last summer we had our first Day Camp for
in articles for insertion.
Young Eagles. This was a big adventure, and I
sometimes still hear comments about the activities that we offered. We had fun that summer
Cultural Education Programs in Schools: Frank
making home made kites as well as leaming from
Lewis Jr., Jared MeDukas, Derek Bailey, Tracy
Lee, John &amp; Olive Pigeon, Valerie Gibbs, and parsome new cultural activities.
ents who support the Youth Council to present
Special Megwetch to:
these programs.
+ Michigan Trails staff;
Kate Kruger I Mi-Mi Wood I Lorena Palm
Anishinabek Youth Leadership Council: Tim
+ Judy Norberg
Loonsfoot Sr., Joan "Tinky" Otten, Olive and John
+ Diana Tourongeau
Pigeon, Shirley Loonsfoot, Roger &amp; Karen Williams, + Kristy Dayson
Florence and Wayne Loonsfoot.
+ Tina &amp; Roy Home
Judith Kienty
Youth Drum Circle: Olive and John Pigeon, Joan
Olive Pigeon
Otten, Emest Loonsfoot, and Jack Otten.
Becky Williams
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Abish
Lora Church:
+ Kevin Finney
The growth, creativity and the expression
+ Raette Vandyke
of the Native teachings that have assisted us to+ Frank Murphy
ward the success of our many programs and
+ First Evangelical Covenant Church, Pastor
events have not originated from one person. It is
the combination of our volunteers' sharing, honDonald Logue for use of their van and drivers
esty, kindness, respect, as well as, their heartfelt
desire to help us work toward the enrichment of a We have had two Winter Camps now. Again this
healthier Native community that have kept us mo- program would not exist without the efforts of
tivated. Much has, and is yet to be, accommany people within the community. Notice how
plished. Their willingness to give of their time and many youth from Anishnabek Youth Leadership
energy encourages us to continue to do more. For Council members are listed as volunteers:
this, I am deeply grateful and honored to be sur+ Michigan Trails for the use of the facility
rounded by their support and generosity. To all
our volunteers: Megwetch-Ahehee'-Thank You.

vo1unteers Mat&lt;e 1:he
World Go Around

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Tina Home
Becky Williams
Julie Bennette
Amanda Pigeon
Olive Pigeon
Jackie Homont
Kristy Dayson
Monica Otten
Scott Saboo
Joan CTink) Otten
Amanda Loonsfoot
Hunter Genia
Roger Williams
Mary Cody
Corey Loonsfoot

Joan CTink) Otten
Helen Hillman
Olive Pigeon
Jackie Homont
Candi Wesaw
Tina Horrigan
Tally
Julie Bennette
Lora Church
Hunter Genia
Owashtinong Chung A Ming
Jennifer Jones
Jaycees
Michigan Trails
Arbor Circle
Gerontology Network
Grand Rapids Police Department

Dan Hossler
Casey Church
Mike Dillard
Ernie Loonsfoot
Mike Kelly
Larry Plamondon
Diane Friar

This year was our first time participants with
East Jordan First Annual Snowsnake Tournament. It was great fun and learning experience
for everyone. Title IX Program were gracious
hosts and we enjoyed a wonderful feast with
plenty of hot chocolate through out the day. We
would like to host a tournament of our own next
winter!
+ East Jordan Title Nine staff:
Todd Parker I Deland Family for cooking
+ Tim Loonsfoot
+ Joan CTink) Otten
+ Monica Otten

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Arbor Circle for the use of the van
There are numerous parents who have made
themselves available for helping with the ongoing
program of Young Eagles youth group. This group
varies in size from week to week. Sometimes we
have 18 or more youth and other times just 8
youth attend on a six week schedule . This group
meets once a week for six weeks then we take a
break for usually two weeks though out the
school year. But during the summer we plan for
at least on "big" activity each month. This takes
a great deal of planning and support from the
community/ parents. Many of these people have
made themselves available at a moment's notice.

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Beth Friar
Karen Hubbard

Older Style Women Traditional Dance Gathering
was very well attended last year. We had hopes
of creating a interest for learning some older
dances that some remember seeing at gathering
years ago. The gathering was very well attended
and we have found it necessary to extend the
program to a two year series. This was and continues to be a great collaboration effort from
many individuals throughout the state. My heart
felt thank-you to all who saw the vision for the future of this exciting program.
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Hunter Genia
Nokomis Foundation:
Kim Mulhern
Debbie Muller
Jack Chambers
Joe Marshall
Rod Crampton
West Side Complex
Catholic Human Development Outreach
Camburns Home Bakery
Jose Reyna
Val Gibbs
Val Gibbs sister Dawn
And the countless other people who had the

courage to stand up and volunteer to learn
these .
As you can see I have quite a extensive list of volunteers. Please accept my most sincere apology
if you have been excluded.

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President Clinton and Vice President Gore software, and teachers that can use technology in
COMMITMENT TO NATIVE AMERICANS
WASHINGTON, D.C. - The President's FY 2000

budget represents a significant step forward for
America, protecting Social Security and Medicare,
and putting in place critical investments in education and training, from smaller class sizes to afterschool care. The President also has made a significant commitment to helping Native Americans, particularly in the areas of education, health care, and
law enforcement.
The following are a sample of some of the
budget initiatives proposed for Native Americans in
the field of education.

the classroom.
Teacher Recruitment: The President will propose $35 million to provid~ scholarships to 7,000 outstanding students who commit to teaching in highpoverty public schools.
Head Start: A $607 million increase to fund the
President's request of up to an additional 42,000
slots for children and keeping on track towards one
million children served by 2002.
Indian Head Start: The budget provides $14 7 million for Indian Head Start - a $17 million increase
over FY 99.

Education and Training: $1.4 billion for FY 2000
Child Care Quality: $173 million to improve child
budget, a $200 million increase over FY 1999 fund- care for working families and $600 million for a
ing, for his initiative to hire 100,000 teachers to re- new Early Learning Fund.
duce class size in grades 1-3 to a national average
of 18. $6 million of the $1.4 billion is earmarked
for BIA-funded schools.
COMMUNITY POTLUCK
Training and Recruiting New Native American Teachers: $10 million to begin training and recruiting
1000 new teachers for areas with high concentrations of American Indian and Alaska Native students.
New Native American School Modernization Bonds:
In addition to the $22 billion of School Modernization Bonds authorized in his budget for the construction and renovation of public schools, the
President's budget includes a new component for
Native American schools. The Secretary of Interior
would be authorized to allocate $400 million in
School Modernization Bonds to tribes or tribal organizations for the construction and renovation of
BIA funded schools.
BIA School Construction and Repair: $108 million,
an 80% increase over the FY 99 enacted level.
Strengthening BIA-Funded Schools and Colleges
Serving Tribes: $542 million for the operation of
elementary and secondary schools, tribally controlled community colleges, and assistance to Indian children attending public schools.
Education Technology: $103 million increase over
FY 99 to ensure that every child has access to
computers, the Internet, high-quality educational

TO HONOR OUR GRADUATING HIGH
SCHOOL SENIORS
PLEASE ATTEND TO SHOW
YOUR SUPPORT!
Wednesday, May 26, 1999
5:00 - 8:00 PM.

WEST SIDE COMPLEX
215 Straight, NW
Grand Rapids, MI
Let's have a strong community showing to congratulate and encourage our youth as they continue with their future plans. We are very proud
of them!
If you know of a graduating high school senior,
please contact one of the organizing committee
members so we can include them in the festivities!
Organizing Committee Members:
Mary Cody MIETS, 538-9644; Betty
Davis, GRPS, 771-2189;
June Fletcher, GVS(f 336-711 O;
Hunter Genia &amp; Debra Muller,
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The

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4th

Get Ready!!! Get Set!!!
Annual Sobriety Walk is c~.ming!!!
Date: Saturday, June 12th

Location: Begins at the Sixth Street Bridge Park
Grand Rapids, Ml
Time: * Registration at 8:00 a.m.
* Opening Ceremony at 9:30 a.m.
* Walk Begins at 10:00 a.m.
Destination: Three Fires Pow-Wow grounds
(Riverside Park, approx. 2.5 miles)
This is a fundraising event with everyone invited to join as a participant. Yet, the higher purpose to
having the Sobriety Walk is to support those on the Red Road (recovery road); to support those who
have chosen to live alcohol and drug-free; to support the healthy life style concept; and to support our
people, culture and traditions.
There are 3 ways you can help raise support on behalf of the NAPS/IFR/HH programs:
1.

Individual Category:
1 Pendleton blanket.

The individual who collects the highest amount of donations will receive

2.

Team Category:
The team (up to 6 people) who collects the highest amount-of donations (1
team amount) will each receive 1 Pendleton backpack.
(2°d and 3rd prizes will also be awarded in the above categories. Door prizes awarded throughout
the Walk).

3.

T-shirt Honored Names Category:
Honor a family member, friend or loved one (living or in
memory of) by having their name printed on the back of the Sobriety Walk t-shirt. We will
introduce an "In Memory Of" name category this year.

1 name = $ 25. 00 donation.
Each addt'I name thereafter = $ 10. 00 per addt'I name.
(Example: 2 names = $ 35. 00 donation).
This category is a special category where competition for prizes is not factored in. (Deadline for
donations and names is set for Tuesday, June 1st - printer's deadline).
Pledge sheets and T-shirt Honored Names forms are NOW AVAILABLE!! Stop by the NAPS office to
pick up your forms!! HURRY!!
You still have time to share your suggestions and ideas for another successful Sobriety Walk. Come and
join us at the next planning meeting set for Wednesday, May 5th at 6:30 p.m., Room 32-B. Thanks,
Lora.

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Announcement for
Festival '99 Volunteers

Page 7

Festival

'99 June 4th

5th and 6th
You will be able to sample the BUFFALO JOES we
will be selling at the actual event.

+ A volunteer orientation

held at the
Kent County Health Department.

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May 27th 5:00 pm to 8:00 pm.

This will be your chance to come and see how the
booth will be set up.
You will see your work station and your duties will
be explained at that time.
This is the only chance for all of us to come together
for orientation.
Don't miss it!
Mark your calendar now!
Come meet others you will be working with during

Diabetes &amp; Heart Disease
By John Aldred

Although the Anishnabeg have survived
many hardships here on mother earth, there are still
things unfolding which could lead to our abrupt extinction. There is battle happening right now,
which can't be seen, heard, or smelled. This battle
disguises itself as certain physical manifestations
which creep in and create havoc among the many
delicate, cooperating systems in our body. Two of
these manifestations are labeled heart disease and
diabetes. Each one of us determines what we will be,
by the way we conduct our lives. There is an age
old saying that fits this situation. "From one comes
two, from two comes three, and from three comes
ten thousand ... ," from one tree comes many seeds.
Without knowing it, we as a people are planting bad
seeds. Contemplate this for a minute,. What will
become of the seventh generation? If we hold on to
this mind-set, will there be a seventh generation?
The science community has been hunting for
cures for decades now, and with no avail. In the
American Journal of Public Health an article about
cardiovascular disease, by F. Javier Nieto, states a
few alarming facts . He states that in the last four

decades, we have not found any new substantive
evidence for the cause of disease. "It is unrealistic,
of course, to expect to be able to explain 100% of
the occurrence of cardiovascular disease because of
its extraordinarily complex pathophysiology and
long natural history ... firm epidemiologic evidence of
causality remains elusive." He continues by addressing the need to identify other risk factors to help
explain the causes of disease. The article concludes
by stating, "the limited progress in positively identifying new risk factors in recent decades may in part
be a consequence of the reductionist character of approaches that look at molecular markers in isolation
of macrophysiologic markers or the psycho social environment of the individual? ... new approaches to
risk factor epidemiology, are required to meet this
challenge." Said another way, by trying to find a ·
cure through reducing the disease state to a few key
points, we realize this is a futile pursuit. Study any
modern-day physicist and he or she will refer you to
the uncertainty principle, which states, we can measure the speed of a particle but not its position, and
vice versa. We can calculate only one thing at any
given measurement. There is a high amount of uncertainty when you begin to work with the very
small.
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It's as if we're taking apart the watch to see
what makes it work, but by taking it apart we no
longer have a functioning machine. To spin off Carl
Sagan's ideal, it like trying to conceive the biggest
number imaginable and comparing it to infinity.
This number will be as close to infinity as the number one. It's as if we're trying to capture our own
shadow, or seeing the head separate from the tail.
They are both part of one continuous thing.
These diseases are caused by a problem of
perception. It is how we, as people, view the world
around us. There is a way of life , in this world,
which sees itself as something separate from all
other things , like a person watching TV. When we
begin to view life this way, we begin to isolate ourselves from our environment. When we feel isolated, we search for security. We seek security in
our external worlds, through the desires we pursue.
We use them to try and spark life back into us. But
to be secure psychologically, is to try and keep the
machine running. For the more we yearn for the
fulfillment of desires, the more is needed to make us
feel content and happy. Look at all the gadgets
around us today. We have big screen TVs, Hi-Fi
VCRs, computers gaining speed by The Day, Satellite communications, Diskrnans, faster, more aerodynamic cars, and machines that break the sound
barrier! Man, we are pursuing our desires with such
emotion, we are forgetting our real reason for living.
A well known physicist, Stephen Hawking, stated
once that if we keep up at this rate, we will have to
go 1000 mph just to keep up with the end of the
line. It's not that technology is bad, it just the way
we are yielding to it. We're using it as the sole
means of enlightenment. We're going the wrong direction.
When there's no relationship to our environment, we resist change and view our surroundings as something to defend ourselves against.
There by trying to conquer nature and control it,
rather than being a vital flowing part off it. When
we view life as mere survival, we cut ourselves of
from the rest of life. Think of a blocked artery, and
feel why it is that way. We are trying to control our
life so much, that we block off the natural flow of
things. It's as if we are trying to capture the river in
a bottle, or like trying to pull yourself up by your
own boot straps. When you block off the river,
what happens? You begin to form rapids or a whirlpool, a rush of water backing up on itself.
We are so lost, scared, and separated from

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nature that we use technology as a means to spark
life back into us. It's as if each one of us purposely
hooked ourselves up to a battery, and are shocking
ourselves whenever the feeling of boredom sets in. I
can't believe anyone could have the feeling of boredom or lifelessness, when all around us there is life
screaming out in celebration. We are merely living
to survive, instead of living to create. What does
the term Creator signify? What is your place in all
of this? Can you really separate yourself from any
of this? What happens when you finally stop resisting?
To find an answer, we need to look inside
ourselves! We must first love ourselves in order to
give love to others. Be a witness to it, and yell out
and scream that you are all this happening of life.
When you begin to open up and start receiving the
things that you, previously, fought so hard trying
not to lose, a strange thing happens. Things start
to gravitate towards you. You begin to receive the
warmth of the father Sun, you begin to move, learn,
and grow. And in the midst of all this happening
where is this thing you once called yourself? Where
is John Aldred? Where is this feeling of isolation,
this feeling of loneliness, this feeling of pain and fear
I once felt?
When you open yourself to your earth, and
sun, and all the grandfathers in the universe,
you start to realize this pain in your heart has disappeared. Contemplate why it has vanished and what
has replaced it. Is it love? A love that is not closed
in but is opened and unconditional and shines like
to the sun itself, a brilliant light for all to see. A
light that flows, warms and helps all things grow.
Then you understand why you are alive, why you
are here. It's to have this flowing feeling develop inside you. As the most famous martial artist of our
time, Bruce Lee, stated, "Be like water my friend, for
water flows with all things." Keep walking!

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MNOOKMEH!
IT IS SPRING!

Saturday, May 8, 1999

Townsend Park Pavillion
(Rain or Shine)
Registration:

Children's Games &amp; Prizes

10:00 - 11:30 AM

She she behn-KwehKush weh win
(Duck)

(Race)

At 11:30 AM sharp, we will have a duck race in the creek for the children. You must
register to have a duck in the race. Bicycles and Tricycles will be given to the winners.
A home made boat race will commence immediately
following the last Duck Race
Boats must be hand made , no mechanical power, and under 13
inches long, for the sake of the children and parents that put
time into making a boat, please do not enter quickly made boats
such as plastic pop bottles or empty cigarette packs etc.
For more information: call Grand River Bands of Ottawa Indians 458-8759

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The upcoming schedule for Circle of Relatives is as follows:
May 11 @ 6:00-8:00 p.m. - Renee Dillard, Prevention Specialist/Educator - NAPS
Odawa Grand River Band Thunder Clan
~ Medicine Wheel Construction
May 25

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6:00-8:00 p.m. - Speaker to be announced
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6:00-8:00 p.m. - Michigan Indian Child Welfare Agency
~ Response to questions from Circle of Relatives

We have been talking about the possibility of a parenting series or a workshop later in the
summer. Please come share your ideas.
(See page 12 for more information on Circle of Relatives)

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Turtle Talk Newsletter

LOCATION: Dominican Center At Marywood
2025 E. Fulton
Grand Rapids, Ml 49503-3895
(616) 454-1241

Friday, May 14, 1999

Saturday, May 1 5, 1999

11 :00 a.m. - 8:00 p.m.

8:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m.

11 :00 - Hotel (or other accommodations) check-in
and program registration.

8:00 - Opening women's pipe, prayer, cedardirection-moon songs.

(Continental Breakfast will be available)

12:00 - Opening women's pipe, prayer, and cedardirection-moon songs.

1:00 - Regalia, Outfits and Dresses: Definitely Not Costumes!
2: 15 - Break/Afternoon Snack
2:30 -

Learn a Dance: Fish, Corn or Swan.

5:00- Ngia Gke Nimedim (Mother Earth, For You We Are

9:00 - Michigan Trail Peer Educators - "Respect
Yourself": Grand Traverse Band - Gilda
Allen presenting "Enabling Behaviors."

11 :00 - Learn a Dance: Fish, Corn or Swan.
12:30 - Closing remarks, evaluation forms, prayer
and traveling song.

Dancing).

1:00- Lunch

5:30 - Dinner
6:30- Today's Role of Traditional Women.

CAPACITY LIMITED!

7:30 - Everybody Dance!
8:00 - Closing remarks and prayer.
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Please register by:
Wednesday, May 12, 1999
Organization/Tribal Affiliation. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __

Or Community Member

MAIL OR FAX THE ATTACHED FORM
TO:
Renee Dillard or Debra K. Muller
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615 Turner Ave., NW Rm. 32B
Grand Rapids, Ml 49504
Phone: (616) 458-4078
Fax: (616) 458-2096
Zip Code_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __

Free Will offering suggested amount
$10.00!

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MllNWA MUNA DIBISHKAWIN!

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Pow Wow at Muskegon County Fairgrounds.
Theme is "Honoring Turtle Island." For more information please call 616-271-6026.

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Clemens, Ml. For more info please call 810-7561350.
June 5-6: "Restoring the Circle Through the Buffalo" Pow Wow. Grand Rapids, Ml. For more info
please ca II: 616-364-4697.

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Roger Martel Jr.
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Thomas McDonald
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Dennis Resterhouse
David Rocky Russell
Billie Jean Sams
Dave Shananaquet
Larry Shananaquet Jr.
Mary Shananaquet
William Shananaquet

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To announce your event or adivity in the Turtle
Talk newsletter please submit by mail or fax, your
written information by the 10th day of the previous
month you wish it to appear in the newsletter.
Your name, address, and phone number must accompany the written information to be considered.
Native American Prevention Services reserves the
right to not use all information submitted. If you
are submitting a photo along with an article or information, your photo can be held for pickup after
printing services are complete. If you are making
arrangements for photo to be held, please be sure
to make arrangements before submitting to Turtle
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John Crampton
Shandiin Church
Gus Day
Leah Denhof
Mike Denhof
Misheka Floyd
Dave Fox
Selina Gibbs
Paul Hart
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Circle of Relatives
City kids golf will once again provide a junior golf
program for Grand Rapids city youth. Youth
ages 8-1 4 who are interested in learning to play
golf are encouraged to join. All levels of play
welcome. A tentative schedule beginning in May
through August follows:
Tues,
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Tues,
Tues,
Tues,
Thurs,
Tues,
Thurs,
Tues,
Thurs,

May 4: 2-5
May 11 :2-5
May 18: 2-5
May 25: 2-5
June 1: 2-5
June 8: 2-5
July 6: 11-2
July 8: 11-2
July 20: 11-2
July 22: 11-2
July 27: 11-2
July 29: 11-2

For more info call Willie at: 771-3067, or Joy at
241-0707.

Why Join? My husband and I have been a part of
this group with the start of the "Parenting Series". We were
wanting to learn more about the Native American culture and
family values. Through the "Circle of Relatives" , Scott and I
have not only learned a great many things, we have also
found a new branch to our family.
What is the Circle of Relafives about? Easy, it is
about family! We as a group listen to each other's daily
struggles and triumphs over the obstacles of life. Being a part
of the "Circle of Relatives" brings us together as a team.
Through this team we address a wide area of issues concerning families. Everyone is welcome! Scott and I should know,
we are not parents or of Native American heritage, but we
are in the process of becoming foster parents of Native
American children. We want to simply give the children that
come into our home the support and love each deserve, including an environment that promotes pride in the Native American heritage. Just like the people in our circle. Circle of Relatives meets every 2nd and 4th Tuesday of the month from
6:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. at the Indian Family Resources offices.
So please join the team, we need you! Migwech, Heather
Colthurst!

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West Middle School
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Grand Rapids, MI 49504

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                    <text>13th Annual Ann Arbor
Indian Pow ·wOW
(A.K.A. Jose Marcus Retirement Pow Wow)

June 1 &amp; 2, 1985
3 GRAND ENTRIES;

Saturday
Sunday

2 pm and 7:30 pm
2 pm,

DANCE COMPETITION RULES: Contestants must register by
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CONTEST PRIZES:

For adult catagories: 1st place $300,
2nd place $200, 3rd place $100.
Ages 11-16:

lst-$50. Znd-$25, 3rd-$15

Ages

lst-$20, 2nd-$10, 3rd- $5

6-10:

TRADER FEES:
Food stands
$SO for weekend.
(for 2 days)
Arts and Crafts tables--$25 per table
Tables and chairs will be provided, as well as Saturday evening meal
at 5:30 µn for all registered dancers and traders. Doors open-10 am.
for set-up, and at noon for the general public.

DONATION:

Adults
$4.00 ner day
Children (under 12) $2, 00 per day

(313) 764-5418
or 763-9044
Advance tickets at Mich Union boxoffice and all Ticket World outlets,
FOR ~RE INFORMATION:

. °""'
Ip
' 1.&gt;

! \- .. 1

...

Veterans Indoor Ice Arena
215.0. Jackson Road, Ann Arbor
(1 block east of Maple Road)

Take the Jackson Road exit
off of I-94, west of Ann Arbor
No camping will be permitted as it is
a city park. However, there is a pool.
Rate for pool: Adults $1.25, kids $.75.

,,,:.

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                    <text>15th ANNUAL

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ANN ARBOR POW WOW
HONORING OUR FUTURE LEADERS
POW WOW

The Native American Student AHociation and Minority
Student Service• are co-aponaoring the 15th Annual Ann
Arbor Pow Wow. Thia event haa traditionally hoated the
largeat "coming together" of Native American dancer• and
aingera in the atate of Michigan. Many Indian artiaana
and craftsmen will be displaying and aellin authentic
Native American aercbandiae. Come •bare . the experience.
Date:
Place:
Host Drum:
Head Dancers :
Head Veteran :
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Sun •• A11ril 5, Grand Entry _1: 00 pm
Coliaeua1, corner of Hill Street and Fifth Ave.
All Nation SinRers, H.C., Ben Beerskin Jr.
Jerry Cleveland Jr. a·nd Kathy John ·
Jiin Kline
Drum Contest, .4 places totalling $1,000.00
Dance Contest• in all categories totalling $3,250.00
Adults $5.00/day Children $2.00/day; Weekend Pass $8.00
Groups, Students, and Family Discounts available.

Allerican Indian Lav Day·: Fri., April 3rd
Topic:
"Indian E·d ucation: The Reagan Years"
Speakers: Bea Medic :lne, Ph. D. Professor of Anthropology
Director, Native Centre, University of Calgary
Robert Thomas, Ph. D. Professor of Indian Studies
Former Director, Native Studies Program, University of Arizona
Paul Johnson, M. Ed., M.S.W. Professional Development
Human Rignts Consultant for the Michigan Education Association
Richard Nichols, M. Ed., Vice President ORBIS Associates,
Title IV Indian Education Resource &amp; Evaluation Center One
Alan Lovesee, Counsel to the House Committee on Education
and Labor, responsible for Legislation on Native Americans
College Day:

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Sat .• April 4th

Native Allerican Medical Careers Conference:
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Fri., April 9th

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PUBLIC WELCOME
Contact Person:
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Minority Student Services
2204 Michigan Union

763-9044

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Native American Student Assoc.
4203 Michigan Union
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                    <text>ANN ARBOR POWWOW
"Native American Awareness"

MARCH 10-13, 1988

The Native American Student Association and Minority Student
Services are co-sponsoring the 16th Annual Ann Arbor Pow Wow,
March 12-13, 1988. This event has consistently hosted one of
the largest celebrations of Native American dancers and singers
sponsored by a state university in the Great Lakee region.
Many Indian artisans and craftsmen from as far away as New York,
Florida, Oklahoma, Arizo1,a, South Dakota and Canada will be
displaying and selling authentic Native American made merchandise.
This year's activities will include demonstrations like: Jewelry
making, basket weaving, sand painting, lacrosse, Indian legends
and storytelling.
Come join us and share the experience.
SCHEDULE OF EVENTS
ANN ARBOR POW WOW: Contest all categories.
Last year's prize
money over $7,200. Special categories: Men and Women
Traditional 50 and over, Grass Dance.
SAT March 12 1-4:30 pm and 6:30-10:00 pm
SUN March 13 1-6:00 pm
Place: U-M Sports Coliseum, corner of Fifth Ave. and Hill St.
Head Veteran: Jim Klein
Head Dancers: Amy DeLong and Jorden Williams
Host Drum:
All Nation Singers
MC: Ben Bearskin Jr., Co-MC: Ben Bearskin Sr.
Guest Groups Non Competition: Yellow Thunder Drum, Yellow
Thunder, South Dakota, Oneida Women Singing Society, Oneida, NY
Contact: Mike Dashner (313)763-9044
Admission: Adults $6.00/day, Seniors and Children $3.00/day;
Weekend Pass $10.00; groups, students and family discounts.
CONCERT: Joanne Shenando1h (free w!th Pow Wow admission)
SAT March 12 10:00 pm immediately after the Pow Wow
AMERICAN INDIAN LAW DAY: Topic:
Indian Education (free, open to public)
FRI March 11 1-5:00 pm
Speakers: William Demmert, Commissioner of Education, Alaska
Earl Barlow, Education Director, BIA, Minneapolis

SAT March 12 9:30-11:00 Brunch
Keynote: Tom Porter
Place: Holiday Inn West, 2900 Jackson Road, Ann Arbor, MI
Contact: Mike Dashner (313)763-9044 or Jeff Crawford (313)996-3628
NATIVE AMERICAN CRITICAL ISSUES CONFERENCE, MEA (Conference fee)
THUR March 10, Registration; dinner, Keynote: Dr. William Demmert
FRI March 11, Conference sessions, Concert: Joanne Shenandoah
SAT March 12, Closing brunch, Keynote: Tom Porter
Contact: Paul Johnson (800)292-1934 or (517)332-6551
Place: Holiday Inn West, 1900 Jackson Road, Ann Arbor, MI

Excellence and Tradition

COLLEGE DAY: U-M, MEA (Student Program, Grades 7-11)
FRI March 11, 8:30-11:45 am Workshops on preparing
for college
FRI March 11, 1-6:30 pm University of Michigan
Campus Tour
Place: Holiday Inn West, 2900 Jackson Road, Ann Arbor
Contact: John Concannon (313)429-1737 or
Ed Whitepigeon (313)764-7433

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Sat. March 30 1 :00 &amp; 6:30
Sun. March 31 1 :00 p.m
EASTER WEEKEND
•New Location! Crisler Arena:
corner of Stadium Blvd.&amp; Main St.
-13,600 Seating Capacity
• 1990 Pow Wow Prize Money &amp;
Gifts totaled more than $18,000
• Hotel discounts available - Howard
Johnson, Days Inn and Ramada Inn
• Drum Space Limited - Call Early
• Adult Contest Cat. - Traditional,
Fancy, Jingle, Grass, and
Seniors Traditional 45+
•Open Registration All Weekend
• Point System - Open Book Judging
•No smoking in the building enforced
•Traders by Invitation Only

Sponsored by the University of Michigan

FOR MORE INFO,
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NATIVE AMERICAN STUDENT ORGANIZATION WESTERN MICHIGAN UNI\/ERSITY, KALAMAZOO, Ml

1ST ANNUAL POWWOW
Honoring Heritage &amp; Education

SEPTEMBER 23 &amp;. 24, 1989

Read Field House

PUBLIC WELCOME
CASH PRIZES
For Dance Contest Winners

HEAD VETERAN DANCER
Frank Bush
HOST DRUM
Star Singers

Jingle Dress
&amp; Grass Dance
Categories

HEAD DANCERS
Bedahbin Webkamigad
Jerry Wayne Cleland, Jr.

~
~

(Minimum number of conleslanls
required al head judges discretion)

GRAND ENTRIES
Sat. 1:00 pm. &amp; 7:00 pm. ~
Sundy 1:00 pm.

MASTER OF CEREMONIES
John Bailey
ARENA DIRECTOR
Frank Barker

Directions
US 131 Exit 36, Stadium Dr,
East to Oliver St., ~
Read f;eld Hoose ~

HEAD JUDGES
Sugarbear Shognosh
&amp; Virginia Pigeon
ADMISSION
DONATION
Adults S3.00
Students $2.00
Under 12 S1.00

~
~
~

For Pow Wow Information
Contact Ruth Ann Chivis

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Absolutely No
Drugs or Alcohol.
Not Responsible for
Fire, loss, Theft or
Accidents while attending F\:&gt;w Wow

(616) 729-9436
Funded by SBAC, Division of Minority Affairs NASO

Traders, Food Concession Welcome
Electricity Available
For Information Contact
PHIL FRANCISCO
(616) 375-5376

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Honoring Heritage &amp; Education
OCTOBER 13 &amp; 14, 1990

Read Field House

PUBLIC WELCOME

MASTER OF CEREMONIES

CASH PRIZES

John Bailey

For Dance C onte st Winne rs

HOST DRUM

Jingle Dre ss

Star Singers

&amp; Grass Da nce

HEAD VETERAN

C a te gories

Fronk Bush

(Minimum number of contestants
required at head Judges d1screflon)

HEAD DANCERS

Jerry Pigeon. Jr
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GRAND ENTRIES
Sa t. 1:00 p.rn. &amp; 7:00 p.rn .
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ARENA DIRECTOR

Som Bush
HEAD JUDGES

Directions

Tom Peters
Virginia Pigeon

US 131 Exit 36 , Stad ium Dr.
Ea st to Olive r St..
Read Fie ld House

ADMISSION
DONATION
Adults S3 .50
Students S2.00
Under 12 $1 .00
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Free with I.D

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READ FIELD HOUSE
WMU,

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MI

Admission Donation:
Adults
$3.50
Students/
Seniors
$2.00
$1.00
Under 12

Grand Entries:
Saturday 1:00 &amp; 7:00 p.m.
Sunday 1:00 p.m.
Directions:

Traders Welcome
For Registration call
Ricki Foster
(616) 385-3387

U.S. 131 Exit 36
Stadium Drive
East to Oliver Street
Read Field House

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Reservations
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(616) 327-2688

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(616) 349 5387

Rachel Shultz
(616) 731-5814
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Veterans History Project Interview
World War II
Rich Natte

Total Time (33:37)

Background

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He was born on August 10, 1924 in Grand Rapids, Michigan (00:19)
His father died when he was ten years old (01:08)
At the age of sixteen he had to quit school to go to work to provide for the family
(01:18)
He had two sisters that lived at home
He was able to find a job at a furniture company (01:39)
He was able to get a job there because one of his sisters worked in the office
(01:57)
o His sister was already married
One of his older sisters was handicapped and could not work and the younger
sister was still in school
At the furniture company he worked in the machine room (02:55)
o It was the only job at the time that he was qualified for
 There were not many available jobs because of the Depression
(03:31)
o He worked there for two years before being drafted

Enlistment/Basic Training – (03:43)
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After he was drafted he was sent to Gulfport, Mississippi for basic training
(03:49)
He was in basic training for six weeks (04:55)
Basic training included getting the soldiers in shape
He was then sent to a carpentry school in Virginia (05:27)
o He was chosen because he had worked in the furniture factory
o He was told that he would be doing maintenance on bases (06:25)
o The school lasted for roughly six weeks (07:40)
o He was only asked one question before getting accepted into the school
(08:46)
 He was classified as “semi-skilled” (08:52)

�Active Duty – (10:01)
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After carpentry school, he was sent to Rhode Island for nearly a month before
getting shipped out (10:11)
o The soldiers did nothing in Rhode Island
They landed close to Norwich, England (10:44)
At one point on the voyage the soldiers were told that their ship was being
followed by a German submarine (10:57)
He was in Norwich, England roughly one month
While he was in Norwich he was just waiting to get deployed to a base (11:35)
He was then assigned to an airbase close to Norwich (12:08)
o When he arrived, he helped maintain the airbase (12:34)
o There was a building that they would work out of that included plumbers,
architects, etc.
o He was issued a bicycle to get around on the airbase
At night he would have free time that he could go into the city (13:24)
o He and some other soldiers would ride their bicycles into town
o They would often go to see a movie, get some food, drink some English
beer, and many other activities
At the airbases the trucks would often unload by backing up and slamming on
their brakes (14:26)
o There were multiple times where bombs would go off – they sometimes
killed some soldiers
One time a B-24 came in to have work done on it
o When the plane came in it slid and blew up (15:41)
o There were roughly nine men that were killed from the crash
He saw one of the American bombers approaching the air field being shot at by
German aircraft
o The American bomber crash landed in a local field (17:41)
He saw Buzz Bombs fly overhead at some points (18:01)
o Many of the Buzz Bombs were shot down by American planes
o The bombs flew so low that they were out of the range of the radar (18:46)
He served with the 491st Engineer Battalion
o He had temporarily served with the 492nd Engineer Battalion when the
airbase was temporarily shut down
 They were sent there to help clean up and do maintenance work
(20:13)
 He was only there for a few weeks
After the war was over in Europe, he went to France (20:50)
o He was in France for one month
o While he was there he did not do anything – he was just waiting to be
assigned (21:12)
o They believed they were going to be shipped to the Pacific

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He received an honor from a battle that he was not in – his whole company
received the award even though only some were involved (22:31)
He was sent back to America via ship (23:31)
o They landed in New York and the first thing he saw was the Statue of
Liberty
When he landed in America, he received a 45 day leave (25:54)
o It was technically a furlough but they did not call it that
o He went home for the 45 days
o He was able to see his family and hang out with his friends (26:22)
He was discharged roughly two or three months after he had been back from leave
During his last few months the men tried to stay physically active
o They would play basketball, go into town, etc.
o It was much more relaxed once the soldiers came back to the United States
(27:48)
o He was waiting to earn enough points to be discharged
He was let go from Europe before others with more points because his job was
less important (28:37)

After the Service – (29:40)
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Once he was discharged he was supposed to take a train home but instead rode
with a friend from Grand Rapids (29:57)
o When he got home he just walked in the front door
o His family was at the train station waiting for him
He then looked for work but was unable to find any (31:03)
o He ended up unemployed for some time
o He eventually found a job with a builder
o The builder did not have a car – he had to drive his boss around (32:11)
His military experience helped him learn a lot about taking care of himself
(33:03)

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Gerald Naughton
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(00:20) Background Information
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Gerald was born in Chicago, IL on December 29, 1931
His mother left his father when he was five years old
They moved to Battle Creek, MI and lived with his grandparents
His mom began working in a bakery and remarried in 1942

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He went to high school in Barry County and played football
His stepfather was working for United Steel and Wire Company
Gerald graduated in 1950
He began working for Kellogg while taking classes Michigan State University

(12:15) The Navy Reserve 1955
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Gerald had been working for Consumers Power Company where he came into contact
with Agent Orange
He was in the Navy Reserve also, but wanted to be in the service full time
He boarded a LST in Benton Harbor, MI
Gerald also traveled on APA ships

(19:30) The USS Wisconsin
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(20:30) School
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Gerald was interested in farming and took agricultural classes

(22:50) The Navy
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Gerald was in the navy for 17 years during the Korean War and Vietnam
He was making $350.00 a month and received a $450.00 bonus when he was discharged

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Grand Valley State University Veterans History Project
Oral History Interview
Veteran: Moises Nazario
Interviewed by James Smither
Transcribed by Grace Balog
Interview length: 1:15:18
[Note: The opening section of the recording is conversation preparatory to the start of the
interview, and is not transcribed here, which is why this transcript begins six minutes into the
interview.]
Interviewer: So, you are officially beginning the interview at this point. We are talking
today with Moises Nazario of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The interviewer is James Smither of
the Grand Valley State University Veterans History Project. And we are actually at the
2019 Milwaukee Irish Fest. And well, Mr. Nazario, you are not exactly Irish yourself… Tell
us where and when you were born. (00:06:42)
Veteran: I was born in Manila, Philippines, on October 25th, 1936.
Interviewer: Alright. And did you grow up there?
Veteran: I grew up there up to my 21st birthday.
Interviewer: Okay. Now, you were living in the Philippines as a child during World War 2.
Veteran: Yes.
Interviewer: Now, what—

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Veteran: I saw that too.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: I saw some of it.
Interviewer: Alright. Now, what was your family—what did your family do for a living
when you were a kid?
Veteran: The job descriptions over there is really not commensurate to what we have here. And
my grandmother—my grandfather is a court stenographer. And my grandmother was…she is in a
buy and sell business of jewelry.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: And she inherited some money from her parents. She’s pretty well to do.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: At that point, she, you know…And then she had one store, a kiosk store—a clothing
store that they owned. They have a few of them. And that sustained them for whatever…
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. Now, did you live with your grandparents?
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: I—after I—when I was born, my mother left me with them and took off and, you know,
just…
Interviewer: Yeah. (00:08:16)

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Veteran: She was an actress there and she pursue—she left and pursued the acting career, or
whatever it is, you know. And I didn’t meet her until late in life.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: Maybe I was already 10-12 years old.
Interviewer: Alright. Okay. Now, so what do you remember about the war starting and the
Japanese coming in?
Veteran: Well, my uncle was in the Bataan Death March. So, they were there. And I didn’t really
know—I think I was… I was 6 years old. I was 6 or 7 years old…
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: …when—1941, so I was 5 years old. And I remember when the Japanese took over. I
remember the air fights, the dog fights. I used to watch them in the street. I would stand there in
the street watching them, just like in the movies. And there was a guy there that—Jonathan
Wainwright was one of the generals that—and I always thought before one of the pilots there
was Jonathan Wainwright. I didn’t know that Wainwright was in Corregidor with MacArthur.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: And then there’s a Filipino fighter, William Moore, I think, he was one of the
aces…Filipino aces fighting there. I never saw any plane getting shot down, though.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright, now do you remember the Japanese coming in and occupying
the city?
Veteran: Yeah. They…It wasn’t really—there was really not…All I remember is they are right in
the city right away. I don’t remember them coming. I don’t—I never saw them come in.

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Interviewer: Yeah. Well, there wasn’t any fighting. The Americans had left.
Veteran: Well the city—there was no fighting in the city.
Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah.
Veteran: There was no fighting in the city. But the fighting happened in the previous year.
Interviewer: Right. Okay. But now the Japanese have taken over. And now, they rule the
Philippines for the next several years. (00:10:29)
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Do you remember what life was like or was your life effected at all by the
Japanese being there?
Veteran: Not—my family wasn’t really directly affected, other than my uncle with—he was able
to escape the Bataan Death March and came back to the house.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: And we took care of him. He had malaria at the time. I remember the Japs as being
cruel. You know? I remember going to the province with my aunt and I was sitting next to my
aunt. One of the Japanese soldiers grabbed me by the arm. This is maybe about ’42, 1942 or ’43.
Grabbed me by the arm and yanked me out of—get out of the seat so he could sit next to my
aunt. You know? And there was a good Japanese officer—looked like a Japanese officer; at the
time, I didn’t really know anything much—a good Japanese officer saw what he did. And this
officer came over to this guy and called the guy and slapped the hell out of this guy. You know,
and he is bowing to the officer. And the officer set me back down with her. But that’s my
exposure to them.

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Interviewer: Yeah. So, some of them were—some of them behaved properly and some of
them didn’t.
Veteran: Probably. You know, probably.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: But my exposure showed that, you know. This one time. You know, but the problems,
from what I hear from stories from some of the people we know, they are actually killing people.
Actively killing people.
Interviewer: But within the city, I mean your grandparents could basically go about their
business? Your grandmother could run her kiosks or…? (00:12:18)
Veteran: Well, they didn’t have that kiosk yet at the time.
Interviewer: Okay. Okay.
Veteran: They—she was selling jewelry.
Interviewer: Okay. Okay.
Veteran: Buying and selling jewelry. And that supported us, so we were able to have a fairly
decent meal.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: You know, with that…Yeah.
Interviewer: Alright. And then do you remember the Americans coming back?
Veteran: Oh yeah. That was very memorable to me. I remember right in the city where I live,
they were marching in two columns: one of the street—on each side of the street. You know,

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they were coming in and initially before this happened, there was a truck loaded with Japanese
and Filipino traitors screaming, “Ha! You guys are going to be under us for more years!” They
said, “They are coming right behind us!” and we got the U.S. troops after that. That truck
disappeared. I never know where it went, you know. But the guys—the U.S. troops—this is in
the afternoon, maybe around 4 o’clock in the afternoon. And when we saw that as a kid—they
were giving out chocolate bars. So, as a kid I run out there, “Victory! Victory! Victory!” You
know, we were really excited, you know. And we followed them all the way to the main street.
Quite a long ways. Probably about 10 blocks away from where I lived. You know, 12 blocks
away. You know? And right around that one area, there’s a hotel where they have a 50-caliber
machine gun, a Japanese setup there, and they started firing. And that—in the meantime, some of
the troops were taking some of the booby traps…Some of the troops were taking some of the
booby traps out on the road. You know? Some of the booby traps on the road. And when they
start firing, the soldiers told us to go back home. You know, they did want us to go back. At that
point, I didn’t know at the time, that they had gone—see, that’s separating the city from the
southern part of Manila. The bridges—all the bridges—
Interviewer: Right. (00:14:47)
Veteran: --they blew away all the bridges. You know, they blew away the bridges and one of my
uncle’s wife’s family lives on that part. And they—because of this war, you know. And they
started this shelling, actually. And where the U.S. setup is maybe about 3 blocks away from
where I was. And you could hear the mortar—the rounds—coming in, you know, just out…So,
we were—they would just watch—we didn’t do anything unusual, we just stayed in the house,
you know. We continued playing in the street during the day, like what a kid does, you know.
Interviewer: So, how long did that shooting last?

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Veteran: Quite a while. Quite a while. And by the time it was over, there’s a lot of houses that
were destroyed in that area. And the one that landed right around the city hall—all the really
structured buildings that we had were all destroyed. You know, they were all destroyed. But I
didn’t—you know, being at that age, you know, you don’t really know, pay much attention. But
other than we know they are fighting. The fire fights—when they come back, there’s a lot of dog
fights. A few—once, I was out in this—to this store that sells candies, you know, things like that.
It’s the kind of store that’s all owned by Chinese, you know. And when this shooting started, we
ran out in the street and we saw this—all this thing that really, you know…And one of the 50caliber machine gun bullet landed in our house. My aunt was pregnant. There was—and she
delivered a baby then. It landed around the foot of the bed.
Interviewer: Wow. (00:16:44)
Veteran: Foot of the bed. You know? Yeah, and so, it was…At that point, I think I was maybe 8
years old already. Maybe 8 years old already. So, ’44? Yeah, I was 8 years old already. And that
one, I remember vividly because we named the book, ‘The Child Bombing.’ You know, that
was…He is still alive now. He is in Las Vegas. And we but, here, we didn’t do anything unusual.
We just used to go on with life. You know, if it hits you, it hits you. It doesn’t…
Interviewer: Alright. And then, did things quiet down a little bit after that? What are
you—as you are—now you are growing up and you are getting older…?
Veteran: Oh, the—another thing too, okay, when they came in…See, right where the U.S.
prisoners are held in Santo Tomas, I live close to that.
Interviewer: Okay.

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Veteran: I live close to that. Yeah, and around a block—south of—west of that, school—is
another school I went—where I went. You know, and we went to school that the Japanese used
as headquarters. When the fighting start, they were looting in there, you know. And being at that
age that—the concern at that point is the water. So, my first stop when I ran out was to go to that
building and get some of these canteen cans for water. (00:18:27)
Veteran: So, I ran into that school. The school—the building was on fire. I ran to the building.
There is a guy that I know that got killed, that wasn’t able to get out of there. Well, I was able to
get out, but then I got—I think I had almost a burned out movie projector, I had a bunch of
cans…You know? Maybe about 4 cans; 3 or 4 cans out there. And instead of coming back to—
going back to where I came in, I went to the Quezon Boulevard, the main street that is going
north and south. And in there, all the Japanese bodies was in there. And then oh, I will tell you, I
had to jump out of that thing. They scared the heck out of me. You know, all these dead bodies.
That’s one of the exciting things that at that time I remember. After that, you know, when all this
yelling start, everything was fine for what, you know…The water likes to—the water was the
one that…And the U.S. soldiers stationed some water bottles in that area and I was able to use
the can that—after I cleaned it up, I was able to use it.
Interviewer: Yeah. Okay. So now, once the excitement is over, now do you go back to going
to school regularly? Or what happens?
Veteran: Yeah, I went back to school. As a matter of fact, I went back to school and one of the
GI’s dropped a wallet. I don’t know who that GI is, and I never know who it belongs to. And
there’s some money that—really lots of money. Probably at least a couple hundred: $200-$300,
you know? I don’t know how much is in there. And being a young kid, honest young kid, I gave
that wallet to my teacher. After, I say, I didn’t know whatever happened to it, you know. But I

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turned it in. I said that somebody dropped this. I said maybe by now who…And I never heard
anything more about that. You know…And I never truly paid much attention to it because it
didn’t matter to me at the time, you know. Yeah, I was able to do what I wanted to do on my
grandma’s money.
Interviewer: Right. (00:20:56)
Veteran: I wasn’t really that concerned about any of that.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. Now, you—not too long after that, the Philippines become
independent. You have your own country and so forth. How did you wind up in the United
States military?
Veteran: Oh, okay. I was in medical school.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: I was a first year proper—see, you go to—in the Philippines, you go to undergraduate
school for 3 years.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: And then you go to medical school.
Interviewer: So, when did you start medical school?
Veteran: I started in October. It was at the very end. I needed two and a half years of
intermediate to go to medical school. October 1957.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: And I left in July of 1958.

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Interviewer: Okay. So, you only went for like one year or part of one year?
Veteran: I had one semester. First semester.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright.
Veteran: And I was—I played varsity basketball for the school. I got picked by the coach, but
then after when I got with…I—you know, at that age, at that time, I have a very restless mind.
You know? And I didn’t know what to do. I didn’t—I wanted to play basketball, I wanted to be a
doctor, I wanted…So, I decided well, maybe I will—I wanted to be in the Navy. I started
applying to the Navy actually in 1953, when I was in high school. (00:22:25)
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: But that didn’t—that disappeared from my mind for a while, but then I wanted—after
that, when I was in medical school, I said, “Well, maybe I could go ahead and apply for…”
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. So, had you gone to college already before medical school?
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: I had two and a half years of pre-med.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: You know?
Interviewer: Alright.
Veteran: And that’s what I used later on with the Navy.

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Interviewer: Alright.
Veteran: Anyway, some of the people—I was given—they get—university, Southern Illinois
University gave me credit for some of it and finally got—I started college in 1955 and finally got
my bachelor’s in hospital administration in 1978.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. But you went to school in the Philippines first. And so, you did
some pre-med there and then you at least started medical school. So, why did you leave
medical school? Were you just restless?
Veteran: To join the Navy.
Interviewer: Just—okay. Now, so was the United States Navy actively recruiting in the
Philippines?
Veteran: No, they have rumors that they are accepting people that live by that area that they
come to the city in. You know, it’s in the province. It’s only people that live in the province, and
they talk about this. So, while I was going to school, I have some classmates that were from that
area. So, I said, “Well, maybe I’ll write the letter.” So, I wrote the letter in I think maybe around
October of ’57.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: And I got the response in December saying that I need to get a physical. Yeah, they
accepted me.
Interviewer: Alright. So, where did you go to get a physical?
Veteran: At the Sangley Point.
Interviewer: Okay. So, there was an American base there?

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Veteran: Yeah, that’s where the biggest base that they went…That was the biggest base that
the—Navy base in the Far East.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. I guess the Americans talk about Subic Bay? Is that where—
(00:24:16)
Veteran: What? No—that’s one of them.
Interviewer: Okay. But this was bigger?
Veteran: This—yeah, Subic Bay is the biggest. Sangley Point is more an auxiliary. It’s a dry
dock. They use this at…
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. So, there’s an American base there so you are able to go there,
you get your physical. Now what happens?
Veteran: When I went there for the—I think sometime in March. I stopped—I didn’t register for
the second semester.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: I didn’t register because I didn’t know whether I was going to be there or not, you
know.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: So, I didn’t register. So, some—March of ’78, I—
Interviewer: Or ’58.

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Veteran: Oh, ’58. March of ’58 I went to—for the physical. And they said, “Well, we will let you
know.” You know, I went back home. And not long after that, I got a letter that said you are
accepted to the Navy.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: And you have to report July 25th.
Interviewer: Alright, now did they train you in the Philippines? Or did they send you to the
United States for training?
Veteran: They just took us there. They put out—just the busy work type thing. And on August
4th, they got—we were one of the groups that didn’t fly to the U.S. We were put in a—are you
familiar with the U.S. military transportation service? Military MSCs? Are you familiar with it?
It’s a ship like lots of other ships…
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: …that are owned by the Navy that ferry the dependents of soldiers back and forth.
Interviewer: Okay. (00:26:05)
Veteran: To the U.S.
Interviewer: Alright.
Veteran: Now, well—we were the…I don’t know if we were the first group, but we were the
group—one of the group—that boarded that ship from Sandy Point to the U.S. And we were at
sea for 17 days, you know. Now, maybe not 17 days. Almost 4 to 15 days.
Interviewer: Okay.

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Veteran: 15 days. We were—but as a recruit, we couldn’t get out of the ship. So, they stopped in
Hawaii, they stopped in Guam; we were stuck in the boat.
Interviewer: Well, they wouldn’t let you off. Okay. Now, was it a good—was the weather
good on the voyage or did you have storms?
Veteran: I got seasick. I got seasick and then I didn’t know at the time that I was seasick. I didn’t
know at the time I was seasick; you know. But the feeling…I was sweating. I was cleaning the
stairwell. “Damn,” I said, you know. And I didn’t find out that I was seasick until I was already
onboard the ship. Years later.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. So, where did you land in the U.S.?
Veteran: We landed in San Francisco.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: At Fort Mason.
Interviewer: Alright. And then what did they do with you after that?
Veteran: Nothing. We were just in a temporary holding.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: And this was 0017 when we landed there. Then we flew out of San Francisco August
21st.
Interviewer: And where did you fly to?
Veteran: To San Diego; that’s where the bootcamp was.
Interviewer: Alright.

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Veteran: So, now at bootcamp, we would—we were low priority as a recruit. But the priority of
the other recruits were higher than us because at the time, Great Lakes was closed, the New York
Recruit Center was closed. And the only open training center was San Diego. So, the people
coming from this area were—had the priority with getting into the training right away.
Interviewer: So, you were kind of just waiting to be able to start? (00:28:14)
Veteran: And from August 21st, I didn’t get into a company until September, September 21st;
almost a month.
Interviewer: Okay. So, where—
Veteran: But we were just there doing busywork for that time, you know.
Interviewer: Alright. Now, were you together as a group of Filipinos who were going to
train together? Or were they going to—
Veteran: We…No, they separated all of us.
Interviewer: Okay, so they didn’t—they put you in other companies.
Veteran: Yeah. But there was maybe a couple, 2 or 3, in one company, you know.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: They separated us.
Interviewer: Alright. So, what was bootcamp like for you, once you started the training?
Veteran: I’ll tell you, I wanted to get the shirts. I wanted to get discharged when I was in
bootcamp. I got really—we got into a lot of fights just to get discharged. You know, we’d pick a
fight, so we’d get discharged. But no luck; we didn’t get discharged, you know. So, I figured

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damn, I gave up a good life for this? You know. And I finished but see, I don’t know if you are
aware that when the Filipinos are recruited, they are only recruited to be a steward. Are you
aware of that?
Interviewer: I wasn’t. I knew that that was true for a long time with the black sailors and
then that stopped. But yeah, I knew that they did use Filipinos as stewards, but that was
the only job you could have at that time?
Veteran: That’s right.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: You know, and when you are in, you can change rate.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: If you are good enough for the—if you have a good officer that will—a more
humanitarian type officer. You know, but then you got some of these officer that thinks that they
own the world, you know, they own you. You know? (00:30:10)
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: And so, I started…I went to steward school, you know. After bootcamp I went to
steward school. And one day they had us fill out a transfer sheet—a drill sheet—there was an
aircraft carrier that’s going to the WESTPAC of the USS Shangri-La. And I put all my requests
on that ship. I wanted to go back there. They sent me to Annapolis, Maryland.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright, tell me a little bit about life in bootcamp. I mean, why—what
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Veteran: The discipline. Discipline. See, I was never really big on discipline, you know. I
became a little bit disciplinarian, you know, maybe because of what I learned. You know?
Interviewer: But I guess you grew up kind of on your own?
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: You were just kind of out in the streets doing what you wanted.
Veteran: I actually…Yeah, because I never worked while I was back home. I never really…I
was, you know, in school. But see now one of the reasons I stayed in school is because…I still
stayed in school because my grandparents supported me. They gave me—they allow me to—
anything that I need. And maybe some once, you know…
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: And if I leave school, I don’t know what they would have done.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. Now, were you able to do all the physical stuff? The physical
training and those things?
Veteran: Oh yeah. There’s no problem there. You know, we are, you know, we are really
good…As a matter of fact, our company won some competitions that we were sent on a—
whoever win that week, they go on a picnic, you know? And that—we went maybe 3 or 4 times.
Interviewer: Okay. Now, talk a little bit about the steward school. What did you actually
learn in steward school? (00:32:15)
Veteran: Are you familiar with what the waiters do?
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Veteran: Okay. Yeah. Well, the steward school was geared to train the Filipinos to serve with
high level people. It’s not just being a steward: everything that you do is by the book. You know,
like you pass your meat on the left, put your plate on the right. All this. You set all of the—they
teach you how to cook, just in case you have to cook for the officers. And mostly cooking and
serving, you know.
Interviewer: Okay. And how long did you spend in the steward school?
Veteran: Steward school? I don’t…I am not sure now. I don’t know if it’s…Of course, I got
transferred. I started in November and I got transferred in December. So, maybe about 6—4 to 6
weeks, maybe.
Interviewer: Okay. So not too long. Alright.
Veteran: Not too long.
Interviewer: And then you got transferred?
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: So where—what did you get transferred to?
Veteran: To a Naval Academy as a steward.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: Have you ever seen the Naval Academy mess hall?
Interviewer: No.
Veteran: They seat about 5000 people.
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Veteran: You’ve got all these Filipino stewards serving all of these midshipmen.
Interviewer: Alright. So, how long did you do that?
Veteran: Oh…From January ’59 to January ’61.
Interviewer: Okay, so 2 years.
Veteran: And I was transferred to a ship by that time.
Interviewer: Alright. Now, when you were working at the Naval Academy, were you living
on the base? (00:34:15)
Veteran: No. I—well, I lived at the APL. There’s a—we don’t have a barracks there. They have
a floating ship. I live on the APL.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: You know, I live on the APL.
Interviewer: Onboard a ship.
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Alright. And did they have all of the stewards living together?
Veteran: Oh yeah. Yeah. That thing is really something else. That ship doesn’t have an engine.
It’s a floating barracks. It’s a floating barracks, you know. Just a…
Interviewer: Yeah. Okay. Now, and do you have any particular memories of what it was
like to work at the Naval Academy? When you think of that time, what do you think
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Veteran: Oh, the Naval Academy is probably…I would have liked to have seen one of my kids
or even my grandkids—he almost went, you know, went there. I would have liked—I liked the
academy. I liked the way the midshipmen live, you know, the way they were…It’s hard life.
Okay? It’s a hard life, but it’s not all work. There’s lots of fun times at the…it’s really…I don’t
know how to explain it, but it’s really good.
Interviewer: Alright. So, were you treated well by the petty officers?
Veteran: No. No. No, they are not—well, they…I used to get in trouble almost every day
because of that, you know. I had some guys, you know, remember now coming off the 2nd World
War, okay? Some of these people couldn’t even read and write. And some of these are your boss.
What do you expect from those kind of people?
Interviewer: So, some of the petty officers in the Navy who were supervising you were like
that?
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: And I was always in trouble almost every day. I was almost—I went extra duties.
Scrubbing all of that wall, all of the marks out of the wall every day. You know? And but I still
wanted to get out at the time, you know. But then, you know, you do something stupid, you
know. You do something stupid here, they keep me in longer.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. So, you—but you do that for 2 years, and now you are
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Veteran: Now I got transferred in January. I went to the commissioning school at Rhode Island
because the ship was a brand-new ship.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: So, they had to send you all to learn all of this thing. And we…I was in Rhode Island
from January until June maybe?
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: And we went aboard the ship.
Interviewer: And what ship was this?
Veteran: USS Sampson, DDG-10. A guided missile destroyer.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: The ship, it’s new at that time. I don’t think they ever—it took them a long time to get it
really working. And it was funny: when we were moving our training group in Cuba when we
were doing the briefing…You know, they fire all these missiles. They got the pre-training people
observers. And part of the missile comes back to the ship. It really is funny. You know, and
but…it ended well. We had a…we had some officers that—well, I was okay, fine, with the
officers that we had there. And it was, you know…That’s where the—I started working on trying
to get out of the stewardry because at that point, I said, “I really don’t want to be a steward.” You
know?
Interviewer: Right. And did any—were any of the officers on that destroyer?
Veteran: Not one. Not on that one, no. But it wasn’t long I was there before it was, after it was
commissioned, because I went back on release with leave in ’62, in June of ’62. So, it—before

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June that it was commissioned. Or immediately. And I got to—when I went to the Philippines,
when I came back, I went back to Boston. We were in Boston at the time.
Interviewer: Right. (00:38:47)
Veteran: I went back to Boston and they put me on the USS Johnston. It’s the DD-821.
Interviewer: Okay. Now, was that just a regular destroyer or…?
Veteran: Yeah, regular destroyer.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: An older destroyer, 821. And that’s where I started to get, you know…When I got back,
we were drinking and all these things you know. Some of the officers are just a redneck, you
know. Just really really…you know. And we were—the ship was on leave of FRAM job. Have
you ever heard of the term FRAM? It’s Fleet Rehabilitation and Modernization program.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: They—so, we were living in a barracks there because we worked on the ships during
the day, taking all the asbestos thing out and replacing it with, I don’t know, whatever they
replace it with.
Interviewer: Okay. And where were you based? Was this in Boston or somewhere else?
Veteran: In Boston.
Interviewer: Still in Boston, okay.

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Veteran: Boston. And we were there…oh, from the time I came there in June or July. I was in the
Philippines for a month. July to maybe sometime in October. Because we pull out to go on the
Cuban Missile Crisis blockade.
Interviewer: Okay. (00:40:15)
Veteran: That’s where we pulled out of. But in the meantime, I was in trouble there. I was
AWOL when the people pulled out. I was AWOL for 4 days, you know, and…But I had no
intention of leaving. I wasn’t—I know I had a pending court martial. If I go back, they will—I
know I will be disciplined. Not the court marital—Captain’s Mast.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: It’s just a minor thing at the time.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: You know, and if I go back, I know that I was going to be disciplined, so I decided I
will stay 4 days before we leave. I will stay out, you know, and then go back with all my
belongings at that time, because we weren’t going to end up going back to Boston. We were
going to Charleston for after—from there—from Charleston to Cuba. You know, it’s October
now.
Interviewer: Okay. So, you—the idea is you get back on the ship and they don’t have time
to deal with you, so you just get back onboard and sail with them?
Veteran: Oh, which one?
Interviewer: Well, you said you had talked—you went AWOL. You stayed off the ship for
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Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: So, was that to avoid punishment?
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: Yeah, because I knew—I figured I was going to be punished. And I figured if I go back
and they put me under citation, we will be at sea. So, I won’t be under—able to get—
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: Anyway, but that trouble just keep going, following me wherever at that point, you
know. And everywhere. And when we went to Cuba, by the time we got to Cuba—see the
blockade started October…25th, I think. But we were in Charleston with them still not
sure…Maybe they are not sure about the fitness of the ship at the time because we just got out of
the yards. (00:42:10)
Interviewer: Right. Okay.
Veteran: So, when they finally decided, we went there…I don’t know, a couple of days to get
there. It was December 6th when we got to Cuba, and we started the blockade at that point. And
not long after that, that’s when they boarded the Russian trawlers, not long after that. Not our
ship, but we ended up…we ended up saving a Puerto Rican refrigeration ship. That one, we
were…all of us couldn’t even go in our bunk. But then—we were not allowed to stay in our bed
because we were trying to get all the water out of that ship. We were sleeping on the deck, you
know. And if we are not there, we go down to the battle station, you know. So, we couldn’t
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Interviewer: Okay. You have met now the peak of the Cuban Missile Crisis. It’s October
1962. That’s when the final—the sort of the showdown happens and they…
Veteran: Right.
Interviewer: And it ends. But it was building up a long time before that.
Veteran: Oh yeah. I didn’t know—I was unaware of that until Kennedy went on TV.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: And I was able at that time—when that television thing came out.
Interviewer: Now, you said…So, basically, you are down there after that. Or were you—
Veteran: No, I was still in Boston. We were still in Boston.
Interviewer: Well, there was a lot of back and forth about what the Russians were doing in
Cuba. And we were sending ships down to a blockade before October. So…
Veteran: The whole flotilla went in there.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: Around…in October. And our group joined this flotilla in December.
Interviewer: Okay. But there was still a blockade going on around Cuba at that time?
Veteran: Oh, yeah.
Interviewer: Okay. Now, you told me before we started the interview that you thought that
your service during the Cuban Missile Crisis, or that period, was sort of the scariest that
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Veteran: Oh, yeah.
Interviewer: Why was it scary?
Veteran: Well, it…if it went down, none of us would be talking today. And every—sailorsthat
were there, I bet you, you know, feel the same way.
Interviewer: So, you were worried this might really be World War 3, or something like
that?
Veteran: Yeah…
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. Now, by this time—at what point are you able to get out of
being a steward?
Veteran: Sure. Okay. When we came back from Cuba…When we came back from Cuba, I had a
gallon of different style type of whiskey. And at night, one of the—first night, I think I finished
one of that whiskey. And the chopper took me back to the ship. And this officer—he threatened
me, you know. And I got—in the meantime, I was getting mad. I was getting really mad.
Eventually, I hit the guy. I hit the—after I chased him all over the ship. He went down to the
engine room to get away from me. I hit the guy, you know, after the incident. And that one, I
went to court martial. I was court martialed. They sent me to the brig for 20 days.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: And so, that’s when I—when I went in there, I said, “I don’t want to be a steward
anymore. Either you discharge me now,” I said, “or you change rate.” And the XO—he’s from
Milwaukee or used to be from Milwaukee…He used to see me almost every day in front of him
for a hearing, you know. He came to me; I said—I came to him and I said, “I want to be a

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hospital corpsman.” I said, “If I can’t be a hospital corpsman, then give me a BCD, whatever.” I
said, “Send me back home.” (00:46:33)
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. Okay, so you say this and what kind of response did you get?
Veteran: He said, “Okay.” He said, “I will give you 6 months. If I don’t see you in front of me
for the next 6 months,” he said, “I will write to the bureau.” Six months? Boy, that’s a long time,
you know. I said, “Okay. You’ve got a deal.” So, we went to the Med that August, you know.
Interviewer: To the Mediterranean?
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Yep.
Veteran: We went on a Med cruise. And wow, I was really…Even then, you know, almost had
that—seen him, you know. But we went to the Med and I was clean all that time I was in the
Med.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: I…comes—it was a—I don’t remember. It was 6 months later. It was October. The 6
months was October. So, I went to him. I said, “You know, the 6 months is up.” I said, “I have
been good to you.” I said, “You promised to write the bureau.” He said, “Oh yeah, I did.” And
so, he called the yeoman and the yeoman sent a letter. And the approval came in December.
Came and said that I was going to corps school in February or March of ’63.
Interviewer: Okay. And so, where was corps school? (00:48:09)
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Interviewer: Okay. So, now you go to Great Lakes, Illinois. Alright. And what was corps
school like? What did you learn there?
Veteran: A lot. A lot. Things that I, you know, that I never…See, when I was going to school, I
was a goofball. I was already skipping classes and all that thing. So, I did really—I hate reading,
for one thing. I hate to read. And I read more books than I had ever seen. I read in school in the
Philippines and I went to—when I changed rate. And I learned first aid, anatomy and physiology.
I had a good review of nephrology. And the math, you know. Things like that. And I did learn a
lot in the school.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. So, you were able to get through that training course?
Veteran: I…Yeah, I finished 3rd in the class of 39 or something.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: And I was promoted right from school to 3rd class.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright.
Veteran: So, I…I got stationed at Great Lakes for the hospital.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: It was my best duty station in all my time in the service.
Interviewer: Alright. So, what were you doing at that assignment?
Veteran: Initially, I was like an LPN only better than an LPN. We have more training. The only
thing I can’t do—I was doing all the job of the RN—and the only thing I can’t do is to pass

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narcotics. And as far as knowledge, I think our knowledge—the RN’s knowledge and a hospital
corpsman’s knowledge almost on par.
Interviewer: Okay. (00:50:11)
Veteran: Depending on the person, though, okay. If a person is really dedicated to what he is
doing and decides to pursue really more…he can be farther than an RN. You know? And as a
matter of fact, some of the RNs—corpsmen became an RN, you know. And some of the
corpsman—the first PA that…You know about PA, right?
Interviewer: Are we talking about—
Veteran: Physician assistant?
Interviewer: Yes.
Veteran: The first 6 were the corpsmen. That started at Duke.
Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah. So, you are getting a pretty good medical training there at this
point.
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Alright. Now, how long did you stay at Great Lakes?
Veteran: Well, I was at Great Lakes from ’63…I graduated in July of ’63. That’s schooling.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: I graduated July of ’63 and got stationed at the hospital. Then I went to lab assistant
school and they transferred me to building 109. This is still at Great Lakes. I don’t remember the
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Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: But then in June of ’63…Oh, not ’63. June of ‘’65.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: I was out in ’65.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: In June of ’65…Maybe I bet you…They send me to—I was…Yeah, that’s right. June
of ‘65 I went to lab assistant school. And then right after that—this is about 8 weeks course—I
went to the building 109 as a lab assistant, doing regular laboratory work, you know.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: You know, and from there I ran into another SOB, an officer, but I didn’t rebel against
this guy. Eventually, I would have—I rebelled against this guy because, at the time, when he
decided…Oh no, the Navy had me to stay ashore until ’66. You know? But this guy decided
well, you’re not a Marine force corpsman, so you’re going to go to school in the Marine force.
So, they send me to Camp Lejeune to train as an emergency medical technician. Like I knew
better than an emergency medical technician—
Interviewer: Okay. (00:52:52)
Veteran: You know.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: You know, they send me there out on temporary provisional duty. Then I came back to
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Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: But I know it was a matter of time before they were sending me to Vietnam.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: At the time, she was expecting our oldest son.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: And I asked him if I could go on leave if she delivers. And he said I had to take this guy
to request a Captain’s Mast—to take this guy to see the captain. And they again, you know, they
allowed me to go see—the chief called me, and he said, “If your wife delivers, give me a call, let
me know.”
Interviewer: Alright. So, when you went to Camp Lejeune, were you doing what was
basically combat training? Or combat medic training?
Veteran: They have a 50-caliber set on the ground and you are crawling underneath electric live
round. That’s how you train.
Interviewer: Alright. Now, did they also give you a lot of physical training there? Did you
have to be basically—you have to be like a Marine?
Veteran: Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I got to—I have a Marine uniform. See, a back up Marine
uniform. I have a Navy uniform too. I have 2 or 3.
Interviewer: Alright. Now, how—now you were getting close to 30 years old at this point.
Veteran: I was 30 years old.
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Veteran: When I went to Vietnam, I was 30 years old. I made—no, I was 29. I swear I turned 30
right at Hill 400, starving to death.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: If we were not resupplied.
Interviewer: So, at this point, were you older than most of the corpsmen getting sent to
Vietnam? (00:54:27)
Veteran: Yeah. Yeah.
Interviewer: Alright. Now, along the way, I mean at least among your…I guess, among
your corpsmen, once you are at Great Lakes and you are working there and training there,
now you are out at Camp Lejeune. Did people give you trouble because you were Filipino?
Or did they accept you?
Veteran: No. No, because I—you know, like I say, I was a rebel and all that. And I—if you fight
them back, they leave you alone.
Interviewer: Okay, so they respect you.
Veteran: Yeah. You know, they leave you alone most of what—yeah, I probably am one of the
few Filipinos that you’ll hear that never gave any discrimination. Because I don’t—I never felt
that I was discriminated by anyone. Aboard the ship, maybe. During the time that I was trying to
become a corpsman.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: I asked a chaplain to help me. Okay…He talked to the executive officer. The executive
officer I think was from Tennessee or somewhere in the south. Georgia? And the response he got

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from that— “Oh no, I can’t let him go. Nobody is going to cook for us. Nobody is going to serve
us.”
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: You know? But I didn’t even think that as discrimination at this point, because he’s got
a point. That was, I—that was what I was sent there for.
Interviewer: Right. Okay. Alright. But in the meantime, now you have trained. Now, were
there—was the training that you got at Camp Lejeune, did that turn out to be useful for
you?
Veteran: In medicine, yeah.
Interviewer: Yeah. But at Camp Lejeune, you were—
Veteran: In the—in Vietnam, yeah.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: Oh yeah.
Interviewer: Alright. So, you do the training, you go back to Great Lakes again, and then
you get orders for Vietnam after that? (00:56:13)
Veteran: Yeah. I went to Vietnam in October 6th. I got there…
Interviewer: Okay. Now how did they get you to Vietnam?
Veteran: By plane. They took us with a plane—on a plane.
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Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Now, was it a military plane or a chartered civilian plane? Were there regular
seats and stuff in it?
Veteran: From Travis Air Force Base, we were on a civilian plane.
Interviewer: Yep.
Veteran: And then from Okinawa to Vietnam, we were on a C-130? I think a C-130.
Interviewer: Okay. And where did you land in Vietnam?
Veteran: In Da Nang.
Interviewer: Okay, you landed in Da Nang. And what’s your first impression of Vietnam
when you get there?
Veteran: I was afraid. I was in—I was in—that’s one of my conclusions too: people—the
corpsmen that got killed there most of the time just got there. And that…When you are afraid,
you are not able to think right. Okay, or if you are excited, you are not able to think right either.
You know? And when I—the first time I was on a battle sweep on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
Interviewer: Okay. But let’s—before we get into that story…Okay, you arrive at Da Nang
and then what did they do with you once you get there?
Veteran: They assign me to the battalion.
Interviewer: Okay, and what battalion do they assign you to?
Veteran: 2nd Battalion, 9th Marines.
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Veteran: The 3rd Marine Division.
Interviewer: Alright. And where was that battalion operating from?
Veteran: In I Corps.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: That’s up north.
Interviewer: Yeah, the northern part of South Vietnam. Were you near any particular
towns or bases that were—
Veteran: Yeah, we were at…We were at Dong Ha.
Interviewer: Dong Ha. Okay.
Veteran: Dong Ha. We were at Dong Ha. And that’s where the—no, wait a minute…It was—we
went to Dong Ha. No, maybe we were in—I don’t know? Maybe we were in Phu Bai because
when—as soon as I get assigned with 2-9, they went on a sweep right away.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright, so they are going on a sweep and you are going along with
them. Now, what was your job with that battalion? Were you in the battalion aid station?
(00:58:27)
Veteran: I was at the battalion aid station. I was a general corpsman.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: You know…
Interviewer: Alright. And you say the battalion goes on a sweep. What was a sweep?

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Veteran: Hmm?
Interviewer: Explain what a sweep was.
Veteran: A sweep is—you go out on patrol where you expected the enemies to be. And you
counted them. That’s how all those—have you ever heard of Operation Prairie?
Interviewer: Mhmm.
Veteran: I was out—we caught the tail end of Operation Prairie. But they were starting there
already at the time. Well, that’s how they find that: on a sweep. The recon company—the recon
squad—found that on a reconnaissance. And then they send somebody to sweep that area to look
around and found that unit, that…
Interviewer: Right. I guess usually they try to have the companies work together to push
the enemy together and capture them.
Veteran: Yeah. The whole company is spread out. You know, if you—I don’t know if you are
familiar, you know, the instructions to us is you are supposed to spread out 15 meters apart on a
sweep.
Interviewer: Yep.
Veteran: Okay, and so you figure—picture it in your mind: a whole hun—let’s see…We have 1
company. We have over 1000 people in the battalion.
Interviewer: Battalion, yep.
Veteran: Picture that in your mind: 1000 people at 15 meters apart. That’s a long…Probably all
the way to Chicago.

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Interviewer: Well, they are not all in one line. Some of them are in the back. There’s some
people in reserve or support, but yeah. But it’s still a long—a long line of men.
Veteran: Right. By the 4th platoon in that, you know…
Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah. So, you have got a hundred and some men maybe in the company
and there are only— (01:00:12)
Veteran: 200 maybe?
Interviewer: Yep. Sometimes. A lot of times companies were smaller. But anyway, you are
out there, you are in the field. So, did anything happen during that sweep? Did...
Veteran: We got ambushed the first time.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: You know, at the Ho Chi Minh Trail. And I didn’t see the fighting. I was initially—we
don’t really go into any until somebody call for corpsman.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: You know. And we took—6 of the Marines were killed right way. And I was sitting
down at the bottom of this hill with—next to the chaplain. And I woke up in the morning to this
Marine cutting the head of this Vietnamese that they killed. They are cutting the head, you know.
And that—after they cut the head, they took the head out and put it in the bamboo stake on the
bridge.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: You know, and it’s gross.

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Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: It’s gross. So, yeah…
Interviewer: How quickly did you start treating casualties?
Veteran: Hmm?
Interviewer: Were you treating casualties right away?
Veteran: Oh yeah.
Interviewer: Yep.
Veteran: As soon as they called in, you know, we would take them out. If they were dead, you
know, we helped bag them. You know? But if they are still alive, then we—whatever injury they
have, we have to take care. The first thing, the important thing, is stop the bleeding is the main
thing.
Interviewer: Right. Okay. But you are at this point, you are working at the aid station, so
the casualties are coming to you?
Veteran: Well, no, we—the company is a battalion, so on a sweep all the battalion, all of the
men, are out there.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: So, we are out along with them.
Interviewer: You are out there with them? Okay. And were you divided up among the
companies to support all of them? (01:02:06)

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Veteran: Well, the companies are assigned 2 per platoon, so you got, you know, 6 different
corpsmen, 2 per platoon. They were—those are the ones that are actually right at the fight, you
know. Now, the battalion aid travels with the colonel.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: I traveled with the colonel.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: So, whatever it—that could be the same—the admin group get hit, we are the one that’s
going to be taking care of it.
Interviewer: Right. That’s kind of what I was asking. So, you are sort of staying with—you
are at the battalion aid station to begin with, so you kind of follow the colonel when they
move the headquarters, so you are not up at the very front.
Veteran: No.
Interviewer: At that point.
Veteran: No, we are not at the front. We are not in the front.
Interviewer: Alright. Now how long did you stay with the battalion aid station?
Veteran: I was to go—supposed to go—to relieve some corpsman. I was second class at the time.
And as a second class, your assignments are senior corpsman, in charge of the other 6.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: And I was supposed to relieve a second class…either middle of January or February.
But I ended up taking the company ahead, you know. Before that—okay, on that sweep that

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we…I was so scared. At the time, I will tell you, I was really scared. And I was seeing ghosts. I
was seeing monster coming out of the mountain, you know. This really scared me. Well, after we
got back to the rear—this was in October, okay. I wrote a letter to the Bureau of Naval
Personnel. I wanted out of there because you have no business sending me here. I am the sole
surviving son of my father, I said. They already have that law.
Interviewer: Yeah. Yep. (01:04:22)
Veteran: I said, “I want to get out of here. I want to come back.” Okay, in the meantime, life
goes on. I have to do whatever I was assigned to do, okay, as I am doing that. And I kind of got
adjusted to it.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: You know, I got used to the idea of being there. The response from the Bureau came in
December. By that time, I said, “I don’t want to go back anymore.” You know? Because at that
point, the chief called me. He said, “You want to go back? Think it over,” he said, “because if
you want to stay in the service, they may not let you stay here anymore.” You know. But then I
started thinking. I said, “You know, if I go out, I am chicken. You know, I don’t know if I can
live with myself doing that.” You know? It’s not a matter of staying in this military, you know,
it’s just myself, my personal…I said, “A coward, you know? If I left.” I said, “No, I don’t think I
want to have that on my mind.”
Interviewer: Alright. Okay.
Veteran: So, I turned it down. I turned it down. I said, “No, I am not going back.” And instead,
one of the guys that came to me was offering me $150 to take the company because he was
getting scared too. He was getting scared. And at the time there, he’s got a family problem in the

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states. His house burned down in Norfolk. And so, he got to see the spine. And those are the
guys that get killed. And I feel sorry for the guy. He was giving me $150 to take his company
area.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright, so now—
Veteran: So, I said, “I don’t need your money.” I said, “I will take your company.” This
happened in January already. “I’ll take your company.” No, the 1st of January…
Interviewer: Okay. (01:06:12)
Veteran: I do. I did, I took the company at the 1st of January.
Interviewer: Alright. And so, you are there with that company then.
Veteran: That whole company too.
Interviewer: Until October of ’67, when you go—
Veteran: Until…Not October. Until 6 month, July? July maybe. Late July.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. But now you are—you have got to this time. There are 6
months sort of in the field with a line company. And what was that job like? What were
you doing during those 6 months?
Veteran: That’s where I patched a whole bunch of guys that they were—wherever they got. I had
to make—I had to—it was up to me to make the decision to medevac. I have to make that
decision. Like, we got ambushed. Two of the guys got hit. We have to be at a certain point at
noon. And on top of that, what time it was…and we were really pushed for time. The captain
asked me—he said, “Doc,” he said, “take a look at this guy to know if we need to medevac
them.” But we have to be at this point. We don’t—I don’t know where they are going to assign

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us. This time, this one we know got to be there as a perimeter guard. You know, and so, I went in
there, look at the guys. The guy’s got a leg wound, and the other was an arm wound. But it’s not
critical. And I didn’t want them to carry any—I didn’t want them to carry any backpack or
anything. I want them a walking stick. Based on what I know at the time, a walking stick would
help them ambulate back.
Interviewer: Right. (01:08:04)
Veteran: So, I told the captain, I said, “Give me a fire team. Go ahead and go. I will stay with the
guys, just the two guys, and we will be behind. So, that’s 4 of us going into this…” You know,
and the captain said, “Okay. You have got the Marines that can carry their backpack.” And I got
the 4 guys and the 2 wounded and myself. So, it’s a long walk; really long. But I didn’t know
how far we were at the time. And they got to that point. They made their appointment there.
Their…Oh, whatever I was looking for. They got their appointment there that…
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: So, by the time I got…We were so far away. We were so far away that they had to send
a Jeep. They had to send a Jeep to pick us up. So, I got ready. I got a ride on the Jeep to go back.
Interviewer: Alright. Well, at least there was enough of a road or a trail that you could take
a Jeep down it.
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Alright.

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Veteran: And we got…As it turned out, it was a good decision that I made because had we
missed that appointment, we would have been sent to Hill 881 and 882. That’s one of the big
fights.
Interviewer: Okay. And those are the ones—
Veteran: That we—2 corpsmen got killed in there.
Interviewer: Was that near Khe Sanh? Was that the…
Veteran: Which one?
Interviewer: Was that near Khe Sanh? Those hills.
Veteran: Right.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: You said Khe Sanh. We were at Khe Sanh at the time.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: We were at Khe Sanh; 881 and 882. And because of the decision that I made, we were
able to be—the captain would have sent us there. And we would have missed it.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: Because at that day, I am the only one that’s available. They sent out Echo Company to
that place.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. So, your battalion was the one—was at Khe Sanh in late 19—
(01:10:15)

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Veteran: They were in—I think—
Interviewer: In the middle of ’67?
Veteran: That was in ’67.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: I think…I think the battalion was…maybe we were in Phu Bai already. We were in Phu
Bai already. The battalion was in Phu Bai and we were spread out with the going around.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: And we were going—that was where the sweep come in. We were going on a sweep
every day. We were going on a sweep.
Interviewer: Alright. And what kinds of casualties were you taking in this period? Were
you losing a lot of men?
Veteran: No. No, we were just sporadic fire. You know, an ambush here and there. And there are
times that I was at the ambush. That’s why I couldn’t rest because I was so tired at the, you
know… And I—there was a—one area where we were ambushed. And the call got up all the
way to me. Normally, that doesn’t—that’s not supposed to happen. The corpsmen in the front are
the ones. But the corpsmen in the front got scared. They didn’t run to the casualty. So, I ended up
doing the—it was an arm wound and a neck wound. But I stopped the bleeding and, you know,
had…When I came back, I talked to the 2 guys. They were scared. They were young kids, 18year-old kids. And the captain was really mad. You know, the captain was really mad. I said,
“No,” I said, “don’t.” He wanted me to punish these guys. “No,” I said. “Don’t. It’s—no big deal
happened so,” I said, “we are lucky that nothing happened.”

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Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: Nothing happened. I said, “Let go.” I said, “I’ll talk to them and make sure this doesn’t
happen again.” And let me tell you, they turned out to be two of the best corpsmen that I had in
that company later on as they learned. But one of the ambush that we had, that we got—one of
the corpsman was so scared, he and another guy—when I called for a medevac—they jump on
the chopper with the casualties.
Interviewer: Yeah. (01:12:25)
Veteran: And you know what I did to those two guys?
Interviewer: What?
Veteran: When they came back, I sent them all out on all the patrols that this platoon was—I sent
them all out. You should—I told them, I said, “You exposed those people to additional danger
that they should not have. You go in there and take your chances.”
Interviewer: Alright. And now, over the course of the time that you spent with that
company, did you have any close calls yourself? I mean, did you get hit or nearly so?
Veteran: Well, we were at Gio Linh, right at the Freedom Bridge. This is sort of North Vietnam.
A rocket was—I don’t know, maybe it was just a mortar. It landed right around our bunker. And
when we jumped into the bunker, I got hit on the knee with the shrapnel. I got hit on the knee.
The other two corpsmen got there ahead of me. They were faster than I am. I got hit on the knee.
And…You know, they stitch—I went to the BAS, at the battalion aid station and the corpsmen
over there stitched me up. Eight stitches on my knee. It was sent in report to Washington. That’s
how I got the Purple Heart. I didn’t even want that Purple Heart at the time because I don’t

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need—I didn’t get hurt bad, you know. That’s just nothing—that’s nothing, you know? But
because I did—because of their reporting, Washington was obligated to...
Interviewer: Yep. (01:14:01)
Veteran: You know? This captain that I was with—okay, I will get to that. Along this—while I
was in this company, we hit a battalion base camp of the North Vietnamese. Is that where it was?
I don’t remember where it was. It was pretty close to where the [untelligible] where our—right
around that area. Because we went over there too to that area. And there were North Vietnamese
in there, but we didn’t see any of them. But they were laying mines all over the place. We took—
I took maybe 21, 22, casualties and maybe ours were 22. Maybe I patch about 8 of them, you
know. The leg wound, you know.
Interviewer: Is that all from mines?
Veteran: All the mines. You know, some—not really that bad. But I was running all over that
field, not knowing—I wasn’t even thinking about the mine. I wasn’t even thinking about the
mine, I was just thinking of the patient, you know. I was just thinking of the patient that was
laying in there. And when we get back to our base camp, you know, where we were staying,
after—by the time, that time, we called in the tanks to, you know, they—we got there in the
morning and we left around at night. You know, we left right—and when we got back to the base
the following day, the captain wanted to put me up for Bronze Star. And I said, “No. I don’t
know, I don’t want the Bronze Star.” I said, “I didn’t get hurt. I did my job; that’s my job that I
was trained to do.”
Interviewer: Alright. Now, I need to take a break for just a moment. I will be right back.
(01:15:55)

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                    <text>Grand Valley State University Veterans History Project
Oral History Interview
Veteran: Moises Nazario
Interviewed by James Smither
Transcribed by Grace Balog
Interview length: 39:41
Interviewer: Alright, so we have gotten you now…Okay, so you had been talking—you
were talking about how you didn’t really want a Bronze Star, you just wanted to go back
out and—
Veteran: No, I didn’t. I turned them down, you know. I turned them down. I said, “No, I don’t
want Bronze Star. I didn’t get hurt.” You know, and the funny part is, when Obama started
handing these out, I was reading through some of the citations on these people and I said,
“Damn,” I said, “I did more than this thing, you know?” And they cheapened the award, you
know. Anyway, we got back there, you know, and we just continued our—through the sweep.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: One guy stepped on a mine. I was maybe from here…Maybe, well, close to 15 met—
not even 15 meters apart. You know? This guy got lifted off the ground. And I was right next
to—close to him. But luckily, I didn’t—nobody got hurt except this guy. And this guy only had a
laceration of the leg. I said oh man, I didn’t know at the time that the landmine, if it gets buried,
it continues to go up and then goes—and this mine that he stepped on, huge, huge, huge mine
because it really—all of us were covered with dirt. All of us were covered with dirt. It would

�have wiped us out if we had been all riding together. It would have wiped us all out. So,
somebody up there has been watching me, you know. Watching all. Well, whoever it was must
have been watching me. And I just—all I had to do on this guy was just put a butterfly bandage
on this guy. You know? I was the first one to, because I was close to him, I was the first one to
go to get to him as a corpsman.
Interviewer: Alright. And now, one other thing that you had mentioned kind of in passing
earlier—you said you spent your 30th birthday in Vietnam under not very—
Veteran: We had just got there. I just got there, and we were on the battalion sweep.
Interviewer: Okay. So, that was on the sweep, yeah.
Veteran: Okay, on the battalion sweep. We were at Hill 400. You have heard of Hill 400, right?
Interviewer: I have heard of a lot of hills.
Veteran: Yeah, we were there. And we found graves of North Vietnamese soldiers. We dug
our—we were supposed—we were sweeping that area to find out where some were left over.
Interviewer: Yeah. (00:02:29)
Veteran: But there was no more leftover Vietnamese. Instead, we found graves of these North
Vietnamese. There was about 15, 20 bodies in these graves.
Interviewer: Alright.
Veteran: I didn’t bother to really get close enough to, you know. I didn’t want any part of that.
Interviewer: Alright. Now, what was the terrain like that you were operating in? What
kind of country were you moving and patrolling in?

�Veteran: Hills, rice paddies…
Interviewer: Did you get up into the mountains?
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: Yeah, we were like I say, the Ho Chi Minh Trail is right up there.
Interviewer: Yeah, well that is sort of over in Laos and coming out of Laos in Vietnam.
Veteran: We were there.
Interviewer: But you were up along the border in that area?
Veteran: Yep, up around that area. I think that’s what it was. You know, because—although we
came—could we have walked that far from Phu Bai?
Interviewer: You probably wouldn’t have walked the whole way. You would have taken a
helicopter for part of the way.
Veteran: Well, we did go by some helicopter but…I don’t know. Maybe we did.
Interviewer: Well, there were a lot of—well, and there were branches of the Ho Chi Minh
Trail that kind of come into the South Vietnam. One goes down to the A Shau Valley and
there is other places in there. But anyway, but you were in some mountain country, hill
country, lowlands with rice paddies… A bunch of different kinds of terrain.
Veteran: Yeah. That’s where we were ambushed that first time, that ambush that I was—
experienced. I wasn’t involved in the ambush, you know, but it was on that hill. In that—we
were up—and I was sitting in the mountain with my feet hanging and that’s where that chaplain

�and I were sitting and then we heard the chopping by the Marines—the head—they were cutting
the head of the…
Interviewer: Yeah. Okay. Alright, I just wanted to make sure we had that in there.
Veteran: I don’t know. Maybe that was at the Ho Chi Minh Trail?
Interviewer: Well, could be. Yeah and…
Veteran: I told you…
Interviewer: Well, the different—well, it will be possible—it’s possible to trace the route of
2nd of the 9th and kind of know where it was when exactly and tie it in. But yeah. But
basically, you are overall—you were in a variety of different kinds of areas. (00:04:44)
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Did you operate in any areas where they still had civilians?
Veteran: No. No, I just—the battalion that I was attached to had been known—all the burning of
the villages? This kept—the battalion did it. These are the ones that did it. You know, and by that
time, I was at Da Nang when they were doing that. But that—by the time I got there, they were
sent up north. They were sent up north to the…
Interviewer: Okay, because there were areas up there where they had taken the civilians
out. I mean, there were still some up in the hills, some that—
Veteran: No, I never…
Interviewer: But you were—

�Veteran: Well, I did. This is—saw some. We were in one of the…It looked like a city, you know,
looked like a city. We were walking on this Highway 1. I think that’s what they called it:
Highway 1.
Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah, along the coast of Quang Tri—either south of Quang Tri or near
Hue or…
Veteran: Yeah. We were walking there. But—and I—we saw some of those civilians. But we—
there was not—there was no fighting there.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: No, nothing.
Interviewer: Okay. Did you ever work at all with the South Vietnamese military?
Veteran: No.
Interviewer: Okay. Did you ever see them?
Veteran: If I did—I probably did but I am not—they are not significant enough for me to
remember, you know?
Interviewer: Alright. How would you characterize the morale of the Marine units that you
were serving with?
Veteran: The which one?
Interviewer: The morale.
Veteran: The Marines?
Interviewer: The morale of the Marines, yeah. Their attitudes. (00:06:17)

�Veteran: Very good. Very good. All of them were in a very good mood. Although, one of them
that we had eventually got cracked up, you know, and I had to send him back to the rear. We
were out somewhere in the village. Not in the village…Around a mountain close to the rice
paddies. And I heard this howl like a dog. And I thought oh my god, the—you know, we just got
out of rice and rice paddies. And I have very poor direction, so I travel with the radioman all the
time. I was close to him, violating the 15-meter rule.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: And I was falling down in the rice paddies and the guy came down along with me at the
time. And he’s like, “Get off me.” And when we got up there, all of a sudden, we hear this—I
hear this sound like a dog howling. What would you think when you hear something like that?
That somebody is around there close to you, you know? I said, “Oh man…” But it turned out, he
called me. He said, “Doc, come here.” So, I went in there and saw this guy. This guy was just
rocking on that ledge, or wherever he is sitting, cracked up. And later on, I found out that he felt
guilty because he’s one of the Marines that have probably raped some of the civilians and burned
the hooches, burned all these villages.
Interviewer: Yep.
Veteran: And he cracked up. But what I heard from the other Marines, you know, this is one of
the Marines that did it. And it’s too bad but I have to send him back to the rear.
Interviewer: Sure. (00:08:12)
Veteran: I had to call the medevac in the middle of the night. I called them. You know, that’s the
worst you could do is get somebody a—get the medevac. So, they asked me in one of the
situations that I was in, because they could see that the helicopter light right away.

�Interviewer: Yeah, that was not standard practice to send those helicopters in at night.
Veteran: No, but they did, you know. The…You know, maybe I didn’t call—maybe I didn’t call
a medevac on that one. I called the medevac right at the—where the defoliation happened where
1/9 got wiped out. And when we relieved them, we got a couple of Marines that…That really
bad. This one laceration on the neck, you know, with a—but I was able to stop the bleeding with
that one. And the other one, I don’t remember that one. And he threw a grenade, and it went back
to him. He threw a grenade; it went back to him. It hit a tree and went back to him. And the
captain asked me, he said, “What do you want? Do you think we should medevac him?” And
“What happened to him?” “I think he may have something else beside that, you know.” And I
said, “I think we better medevac, get this guy out of here. Get this guy out of here.” So, what we
did is I had—we had a party of Marines take these two guys way away from us so that the light
would be a good deal in there. And we medevaced in the night.
Interviewer: And do they get them out?
Veteran: They took them out.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: The chopper came in, but I don’t even know whatever happened to the guy, to those
two guys.
Interviewer: Alright. Now, did you finish your Vietnam tour with that company, or did you
get reassigned before you left? (00:10:15)
Veteran: Okay, I finished it. My time was up in July, okay, July of ’67. My time was up in July
of ’67. Well, in between that, the captain was going to be transferred. Okay. In July…Well,

�maybe even…Yeah, July, somewhere in there, he knows he is going to be replaced. So, he came
over to me. He said, “Hey doc,” he said, “why don’t you stay with me?” Now, he is asking me to
extend in the line of fire, you know. “Why don’t you stay with me?” he said, “I know what you
can do. I don’t know what these bozos coming in is going to do.” Yeah, I like this guy, you
know. This is the thing, you know. You probably—I don’t know if you’ll hear this from anyone
there, other soldiers that you do an interview. So, I told myself: I like this guy and I sure would
love to repay him, you know, because he seen all the wrong around that I did, in spite of all of
this, without taking a bullet, without even thinking about what is going to happen to me, you
know. So, I told him, I said, “You know, I will make you a deal.” I said, “I will make you a
deal.” I said, “Send me on another R and R to Manila and when I come back, I will stay here
with you until they pull you back out.” “Oh,” he said, “We can arrange that.” He called the guy
to get back down with the plane the same day. The same day, he send me to Manila.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: You know, so I was one of the probably few guys there that were able to go on R and R
twice. Normally you only have one R and R.
Interviewer: Yeah. Not without good connections. (00:12:12)
Veteran: I had to do—I was able to do it twice because of that thing.
Interviewer: And you knew where to go. You went to Manila both times.
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: Yeah, I went. My grandparents were still alive at that time.

�Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: And so, when I came back, I came back to him and fulfilled my promise.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: So, I extended my time but luckily, he is—that guy was really smart. That Captain
Long was really smart. And I guess the top brass in Phu Bai have a use for him there.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: So, about two weeks later, they pull him out. So, now I am free. I was free but I stayed
two weeks of my time there. And luckily, that happened within my two weeks of time.
Yeah…And but how many people would you hear that extended their time in the field?
Interviewer: I have met some who have extended for different reasons, and some of them
went back in the field. And some of them got two R and Rs if they had the right
opportunities.
Veteran: Oh.
Interviewer: But it is unusual.
Veteran: Yeah, you know, and I said, “Oh man.” I always got—I had no regrets about any of
those, you know.
Interviewer: Alright. Now when you think about the year that you spent in Vietnam, are
there other particular stories or memories that you have that you haven’t talked about yet?

�Veteran: Well, I had some contact with a—with the RMK company, a U.S. company that had
some Filipino surveyors, surveying some areas, you know. So, I was able to hang out with them
on the outside—outside of the compound.
Interviewer: Wait, hang out with who?
Veteran: With the Filipino civilians.
Interviewer: Oh okay. So, you did see some of the civilians. (00:14:08)
Veteran: Yeah, I see some civilians. I was able to hang out every so often because of the
surveyors. They are under contract to RNK.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: And you know, we played mahjong with—eat some Filipino food with them, you
know.
Interviewer: Okay. So, you are going out with Filipino contractors and hanging out with
them.
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Okay. That’s good. Alright. So, we get now—originally when we were doing
your paperwork, you said you were in Vietnam from October of ’66 to October of ’67. Is
that right? Or…?
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: Yeah.

�Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: Yeah, right exactly to the day. But the night before I was leaving, it was scary because
there were a lot of rounds…That’s what I hear. And one of the rounds I thought I was incoming.
It was an outgoing round but boy, I ran to the bunker. I ran to the bunker. And I was the only one
at that, you know…I—that’s another thing too: when the people are ready to go, they become
very cautious, you know. Yep, I run to the bunker. After a while, I was looking around. There
was nobody running except me. And I said—I laughed at myself. I say, “You fool.” It was
very—there is some humor in some of the things that, you know, that we did there. But not too
many. Otherwise…And I was never…you know, it never dawned on me that I was going to get
killed. All the time I was there, I thought—I know—I was coming back, you know.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: Whereas, in Cuba I was more tense, and I was more—it’s more harder for me in Cuba
than in Vietnam.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright. So, you finish your tour in Vietnam, you come back to the
United States.
Veteran: Yeah.
Interviewer: Are you planning on staying in the Navy at that point? (00:16:08)
Veteran: Well, I had ten and a half years. Okay, I got—they said they would transfer me to
Cherry Point, North Carolina. All of my requests was the Philippines. They transferred me to
Cherry Point, North Carolina.
Interviewer: Okay.

�Veteran: And I didn’t even know where Cherry Point, North Carolina was until I go there. Well,
while I was there, see I was going to night school. I was attending night school, taking some
courses to fill out the credits that I need for medical technology.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: Well, one of my classmates was the Command—Lieutenant Commander in charge of
personnel. Well, him and I got along really well while we were classmates. But the chief that he
was—that he had in charge of the personnel department…At the time he was chief, I was E-6.
Him and I…He’s just a typical redneck. You know? Him and I just didn’t see eye to eye. He’s an
alcoholic and all, you know, just a…So, I requested to go to lab tech school. The regular lab
tech.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: You know, the one that you see, you know. And so, they send out—I got the orders, but
they want—my transfer is in December. The start of school was January 6th. This moron wanted
to transfer me December—middle of December. I said—so I asked him, I said, “Can you transfer
me on the 1st of December, so I don’t have to be looking for a house for Christmas? I have
two…” We had one kid and my wife was about to deliver. My wife was about to deliver. He
said, “No.” He said, “You are going to reenlist.” My enlistment was expiring. “You are going to
reenlist anyway regardless of when I transfer you.” I said, “Okay.” So, the commander and I
were talking at the classroom.
Interviewer: Yeah. (00:18:16)
Veteran: I mentioned this to him. He said, “Why didn’t you come to me?” By that point, I
have—I have already gone out. I was decided to go out. The orders were already there for our

�goods to be picked up to be sent here to Milwaukee. So, he said, “Why didn’t you come to me?”
He said, “I could have transferred you even long before that.” I said, “Well, I see you got
somebody in charge of your department, I thought he knows what he’s doing, you know. So,” I
said, “I didn’t want to bother you with something like that.” You know? Boy, he chewed that guy
out.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: He chewed that guy out. You know, and he said, “Well, I’d like you to stay.” I said,
“Too late.” I said, “I got 50 day—I mean, 90 days to reenlist.”
Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah.
Veteran: I got 90 days to reenlist. I said, “If it doesn’t work out…” because I never—I was really
mad at the Navy at that point because of them sending me to North Carolina, you know. I said, “I
don’t really, you know, I have no intention of staying.” At that point already, I was wanting a
nice civilian life. So, I got a job as a—at the time, I was only a lab assistant. I got a job at the
Milwaukee [unintelligible] as a lab assistant. And but then, Hong Kong Flu hit all of the family,
you know. Jeanie got Hong Kong Flu. The young—Becky…I mean John, our oldest son, got the
Hong Kong Flu. We only had two kids at the time. Becky and I got the Chicken Pox. So, we are
all sick. And I just got out of the service. I don’t have any—if you don’t work, you don’t have
any vacation, you have no money. So, we got bills to pay. I said, “You know, if I can get back
that school, maybe we should go back. I will talk to the recruiter and see if we can get—check
with Washington if I can get that school back. Then we could pay all these bills, you know.”
Interviewer: Yeah. (00:20:33)

�Veteran: We didn’t have any—much savings at the time, you know. Heck, I was 31 years old
you know, with nothing saved, nothing—you know? So, I went back and talked to the officer.
They called Washington. They didn’t even know I left. They didn’t even know I left. This is
already in December. So, Washington told them that that school I was supposed—that class I
was supposed to go to is already full, but they could put me in August. I said, “Is that a guarantee
that you’ll do it?” “It’s a guarantee that you are going to go to that school.”
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: So, I told to my wife, I said, “August? Yeah, we could go to—I will go in now then
maybe they will put me on a busywork schedule here, just picking up cigarette butts and all that
thing, you know.” So, I went back and reenlisted December 30th. December 30th, I reenlisted. I
joined the reserve in the meantime in between. I joined the reserve so I wouldn’t have any
broken service.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: So, I joined back. And I asked the lieutenant, I said, “What do you want me to do?”
Well, he said, “Nothing. Just stay home. I will give you a call. Just call me every morning, let me
know that you are still around. And when the orders come in—” we were waiting for my orders,
“—the orders come in, I will call you.” So, I went ahead and continued to work at the
[unintelligible]
Interviewer: Right. (00:22:25)
Veteran: --at the same time I was already getting my salary from the Navy. You know, so…I—
then they, in March, I got the order in March. So, I went from December to almost three months.

�Didn’t work in March, so almost three months. In March, they sent me back to—they send me to
Batista, at the research station in Batista.
Interviewer: Okay, so in Maryland.
Veteran: In Maryland. Awaiting for that class in June. So, I work at the research station there for
a while. And then, when that class in August started, they called—I got my orders to transfer
back there. In the meantime, the guy that trained me at Great Lakes in—I mean, the guy that was
the director of the laboratory at Great Lakes, who was responsible for the medical assistant
program, became the head of the training section of the pathology department in Maryland. And
at the time, he was soliciting people with the credits to college degree to apply for medical
technology program. It was just a higher level…
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: …than the—okay. So, I said, “Well, you know, I got—” he didn’t promise anything. He
said, “I will try my best to get you guys to take the national exam, the board exam, after you
complete this training.” He said, “I don’t want to—the ASAP, the CAP, to approve this to get
their approval because I don’t want them controlling the curriculum of the program.” And he was
a successful study of the CAP at the time, you know. So, I said, “You know, I got nothing to
lose, you know. I got a lot to gain but nothing to lose.” (00:24:38)
Veteran: I said, “So, I will apply.” I went ahead and applied. There were 21 applicants. All of
them with bachelor—two of us had a degree. We had over 90 credit hours. And out of the 21, a
lot of them are English majors so they didn’t have enough sciences in the…But I had a couple of
them with a master’s in microbiology. You know? And I was 1 of the 11 that was picked. The
other guy got picked too, the one with the, you know. And of the 11, 2 dropped out. They didn’t

�want to—they didn’t want the hassle of going through that program. They got—they were scared
of the—because he said this is going to be a very intensive study. This was really intensive
study. You know, unless you are—I read more books in that course than I have ever read in my
life, you know. You know, and so I went through it for a whole year. And that’s when I met, you
know, I met some other high energy people. One of them became President Nixon’s doctor.
Doctor Jacoby. And I was pretty tight with that Doctor Jacoby. You know, anywhere he seen me,
anywhere we met, he always stopped and shake my hands and, you know. And shake my hands.
He was very—I guess he—when I worked, I gave the best job that I have in my work, you know.
And that’s the same thing that happened with anybody that carried a tool, you know. And plus,
me going to school and doing all of that, he was very impressed that I had found this time to do
this. You know? So, at the time he was only a commander when I met him at Great Lakes. Then
he became a captain and then he became an admiral and became Nixon’s doctor.
Interviewer: Right. (00:26:47)
Veteran: You know? So…I got accepted to that program. I went to the program for a whole year.
And I finished at there too. One out of nine, I finished there. But we did—they gave us a sample
exam like the ASAP exam. I think I was 2nd out of the 9.
Interviewer: Yep.
Veteran: I beat the other guys. You know, so I thought oh boy, this is a snap. This is a snap. This
is solely going to be like this. It’s a snap. It turned out much worse than what was…That year,
the ASAP was moving from Muncie to Chicago. Yeah, so they were all in a mess, you know.
And the exam that they gave us that year was really hard. The cutting score was only 88. You

�know? I said, “Oh man, it was really hard.” I didn’t find out that I pass it. I took it in November.
I didn’t find out until June.
Interviewer: Wow.
Veteran: And I found out I scored 111. So, I said, “Oh man, that…” So, barely…So, I became a
medical—I was a—you know, became a registered medical technologist. And so, now I have
something to market outside when I leave the Navy, you know?
Interviewer: Right. (00:28:22)
Veteran: So, in the meantime, Southern Illinois University came into the—to Camp Lejeune
campus. They started that program, the on-campus program, they had one that actually started
that I think. Because other universities eventually started doing it too here. And so, they came in.
I gave them my transcript, whatever I had. They said, “Okay, you are qualified for that 18
months program and you get a bachelor’s in healthcare administration.” You know? I said, “Oh,
I’ll take it. You know, I will go ahead and go for it. I got nothing to lose. I have more to gain
than to lose, you know.” So, but Jeanie was really saddled with the kids. At the time, we already
had four kids, you know. So, she was taking care of the kids while I was at—most of the time.
Plus, I was working part time, you know. And I got my degree in hospital—in that healthcare
administration when I left Camp Lejeune.
Interviewer: Okay. So, what year was that?
Veteran: 1978. February 1978.
Interviewer: Alright.

�Veteran: And when—I got a job waiting at the Milwaukee County Hospital when, you know—
that’s that chief that I was telling you I got run in. We almost got into a fistfight at the time. And
I embarrassed him in front of a whole bunch of young kids. You know what, I don’t know what
started it. He said something…He would have decked me or something, you know, the way I
was—at the time, I was E-7, he was E-8. He was the officer of the day, I was the—I mean, he is
the officer of the day, I was the chief of the day at the hospital administration lobby, you know.
So, I told him, I said, “In our younger years,” I said, “I would have put you in the hospital.” I
said, “You know,” I said, “you know why you are staying in the Navy? You got nothing to offer
outside.” I said, “You have got nothing. You may be the best personnel officer in the world,” I
said, “but without that piece of paper, you ain’t worth a damn. You know, I got something I can
market. I don’t need you. I don’t need anyone of you to do anything for me.” (00:30:58)
Interviewer: So, when did you have this encounter with him? Was that in ’78?
Veteran: That—this is ’78, before I retired.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: Before I retired.
Interviewer: I guess you…Okay, yeah, okay because that is—so, basically now you—so,
now you really—
Veteran: No, maybe even late ’77, right around.
Interviewer: Yeah. Right.
Veteran: After late ’77, I put my application in to retire because I heard you need to put it in a
year ahead of time, see.

�Interviewer: Okay. So, you have lined up yourself a proper civilian job. And you know
where you are going and so—
Veteran: Yeah. And he doesn’t have anything. And he is nothing but an alcoholic, you know, just
a…He made E-9 because he is a bootlicker, you know.
Interviewer: But you have gone off—okay, so now did you have a career in hospital
administration? Is that what you did?
Veteran: No. I went to medical technology because I already had the experience there.
Interviewer: Right. Okay.
Veteran: And then I went to [unintelligible] for the master’s in hospital administration.
Interviewer: Right.
Veteran: And I was one semester—one credit short to get my master’s, but I got mad with the
dean. Him and I got—you know, I was accused of unethical research. You know, I was—I
wanted to break the union that came into Milwaukee County for medical technologists. But it
was really 49 to 51 split, you know, in favor of the union. But a lot of these people claimed they
didn’t really want the union. You know? (00:32:32)
Veteran: So, I wanted to break the union but how do you go about that? It’s been done. I found
out later on it has been done because I did a lot of this research. And there is a group in
Philadelphia that got out of the unionization, the medical unionization. But they went to court.
They went to court. So, in my research, I found this out. But for me to do the research, my
advisor advised me to survey the medical technologists under assumed name.
Interviewer: Oh…

�Veteran: You know, because if I put my name, they know me. I was supervisor of the blood bank
already at that point, see. I was supervising the blood bank there already. You know? So, he said,
“Go and survey them.” He said, “There is a practice survey, check the survey.” Everything
passed, everything that I did passed. But then, somebody from laboratory administration went to
the dean and, “Find out who this person is.” They didn’t know. Well, I was on my second reader,
and he held the paper, but they didn’t tell me why. They didn’t tell me why they didn’t. So,
before the end—the semester was almost ending, you know. I called them. I did call them
because I wanted to see how I was doing, you know. But he should have given me the reason
why he did that. I could have—I would have went to him right then. So, I called him and he told
me that was the reason and so we started—I went to his office. He called me to his office, and we
talked. He said, “Some—” I said, “You call it unethical research? Why would your professor
advise me to use the assumed name?”
Interviewer: Yeah. (00:34:28)
Veteran: “If I had known that I would have used my name.” So, we got an understanding that it
was…Now, when he asked the professor, he said that I must have heard—he didn’t actually
directly accepted it. But he said he said that I must have advised him to do that, you know. But
you know, so—but at that point, I was already mad.
Interviewer: Okay.
Veteran: So, the dean said, “Well, if you want, you can go ahead and finish it, but you are going
to—you are out of time. You are going to have to start again.” I said, “I am not going to pay you
another money for you to be able to control what I am doing.”
Interviewer: Okay.

�Veteran: I said, “Give me something I can control, and I will do it. Give me maybe two more
courses instead of the thesis. I will go back and finish it. Otherwise, I don’t need that thing.”
Interviewer: Yeah.
Veteran: I already reached what I wanted to do. You know? So, that’s where I left it and I left it
there.
Interviewer: So, you went back to medical technology—
Veteran: I had always been in medical technology. At that point, I was already promoted to
supervisor of the blood bank. You know, I started some of the first stuff here in the city. You
know, like have you ever heard of Doctor Messerschmidt in Oregon? In Washington State? At
the cancer center? He developed a procedure. See, I was doing a job that no medical technologist
was doing. I was the only medical technologist. I had to train some of the other medical
technologists because I wanted the medical technologists to learn it because it could be done by
medical technologists. Usually, it is done by the nurses. And I was the only one that was doing it.
So, I trained some of these people. Well, Messerschmidt came out with this procedure where it
was a column absorption. (00:36:47)
Veteran: It was a column absorption where the—it’s an immunology thing, but the anti—the IgG
are absorbed by the column and the good IgG is then sent back to the patient. It’s a very effective
ITP, you know. And it came to Milwaukee because one of the things that he was selling was it
could cure some of the liver cancers. And I was doing this process—procedure—for the, you
know, I set up the section at the county.
Interviewer: Okay. Alright, now the main focus of our interview here is really your
military career. We have now kind of—

�Veteran: Right.
Interviewer: --come to the end of that and we see that it has launched you into a career in
medical technology.
Veteran: Yeah, that’s where I ended up.
Interviewer: And that’s the field that you stayed in. Alright. And basically, I’d like—so we
have kind of gotten to where we need to go for the purposes of our project. You have got a
truly remarkable story here. When you think back about the time that you spent in the
Navy…I mean, I guess you have told us a lot about this already, but how would you sum it
up? What do you think you took out of the Navy service or how did it effect you? (00:38:03)
Veteran: I grew up, I think. I think I grew up. I really…I think whatever we have now—we have
a very successful family, I believe. You know? And I have 9 grandchildren, 4 or 5 of them
finished college. One is in a PhD program at the WUM. This one just got his bachelor’s in
biochemistry and is going to be in the Air Force. And I have all the kids finish their college, you
know. So, I got that without the discipline that I learned from the Navy, that…you know, that
wouldn’t be there. I don’t know. Maybe it could have been better because I could have been a
millionaire in the Philippines as a gopher for the politician, you know. You know, I have my
uncle died and left his children, 6 children, a million dollar apiece in cash, plus the properties
that they all own in Manila, you know. And one of them became a billionaire in Manila
[unintelligible]. So, we don’t know, but whatever I have now, you know, is because of the Navy.
Because of the Navy.
Interviewer: Alright. Well, thank you very much for taking the time to share the story
today.

�Veteran: Yeah. And you know, I hope there is something in there that could help maybe the
other veteran that… (00:39:41)

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(00:00:42) Early Life
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-Family did well during the Great Depression because of his father’s job
-He had seven siblings
-His older brother joined the Army Air Corps
-He was stationed in England with the 8th Air Force during WWII and survived
(00:03:00) Start of the War
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(00:04:12) Getting Drafted and Basic Training
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-He was allowed to finish high school though
-He took a general aptitude test before reporting for basic training
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-He was sent to Camp Lee, Virginia
-Originally sent to Fort Sheridan, Illinois for processing
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-Allowed to move around on the train, but wasn’t allowed to get off
-Camp Lee was near Petersburg, Virginia
-Learned about military customs and protocol
-Went on marches and went to the firing range
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-Received some handgun training
-There was a strong emphasis on discipline
-The drill sergeants were reasonable and his lieutenant was an intelligent and good man
-He didn’t have any problems with adjusting to the Army
-He spent roughly two months at Camp Lee
(00:11:29) Advanced Training
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-Same general area as Camp Lee
-He was sent there for Camouflage School which was similar to infantry training
-He received additional weapons training at Fort Belvoir
-Further rifle and pistol training as well as some grenade training
-Also received gas mask training
(00:12:59) End of the War
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�-He was there to receive additional, miscellaneous training
(00:14:03) Living on Bases
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(00:14:37) Downtime in the United States
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-He visited Washington DC and saw the various government buildings there
-He realized that there was a definite separation of whites and blacks in the South
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(00:17:50) Comrades
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-Most of the men he trained with were in their late teens
-The noncommissioned officers (corporals and sergeants) and officers were good men
(00:19:38) Deployment
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-Boarded a Victory Ship (similar to a Liberty Ship)
-The voyage across the Atlantic Ocean was good
-Treated well, fed well, and the weather was fine
-They sailed with a small convoy
(00:22:11) Arriving in Europe
-They went through the Straits of Gibraltar and entered the Mediterranean Sea
-Pulled into Oran, Algeria for two or three days
-From North Africa they sailed to Naples, Italy and disembarked there
-He had no unit, he was sent over as a replacement
-When they stopped in Oran he didn’t get off the ship
-He went a few miles north of Naples and stayed in some barracks for a few days
-From Naples he was taken up to Rome
(00:24:27) Stationed in Rome-German POWs
-In Rome he was assigned to a Military Police unit that was near the Tiber River
-There was a prisoner of war camp attached to the MP base
-Some German prisoners were used for jobs outside the camp doing menial jobs
-Some of the German prisoners could speak English
-He got to know a couple of the prisoners fairly well
-Most of the prisoners were in their mid-20s to early 30s
-Some of the Germans were originally from the area that became East German
-Did not want to get repatriated and be under Soviet rule
-Majority of them left in late 1945/early 1946
-Some did leave during the time he was there
(00:28:17) Stationed in Rome-Military Police Duties
-He didn’t do too much being part of the Military Police
-He would report daily to the headquarters
-He worked with the military police that went out on police patrols
-They patrolled Rome and the area around Rome
-There was a day shift, evening shift, and night shift for the military police

�-The objective of the police and jeep patrols was to monitor soldiers in Rome
-Primarily dealt with drunken American soldiers in the city
-There weren’t too many serious crimes that happened during his time there
-One or two murders
-Also dealt with AWOL (absent without leave) soldiers
-Duty was to find them, arrest them, and hold them until trial
(00:32:08) Interacting with Italian Civilians
-The Italian civilians had a good relationship with the American soldiers
-It was very rare to find an Italian that was hostile
-They enjoyed the American presence because the troops spent money
-There was a high amount of prostitution, but it was never a problem to his knowledge
-Some of the Italian women were educated and worked for the Army as interpreters
-Men were able to have actual relationships or friendships with them
-He heard a lot of negative comments about Mussolini while he was there
-Believes some of this may have been to win over Americans
-But also thinks that the majority of it was sincere
(00:34:57) Signs of the War
-There was very little damage to Rome due to the war
-The area around Rome was still damaged even in late 1945/early 1946
-Especially between Rome and Naples
-He saw Monte Cassino where the Battle of Monte Cassino happened in 1944
-There were a lot of graves and there was still a lot of destruction
(00:36:04) Travelling around Italy
-Rome had economically recovered pretty well only less than a year after the war’s end
-Shops were open and business was being conducted
-The recovery was most likely due in part to the American troops spending money
-He got a chance to see Milan and Florence
-Got a chance to see some Italian opera performances
-He had a fair amount of free time while he was stationed in Italy
-He was allowed to take a jeep to travel around the country
-Primarily travelled by jeep, and rarely by train
-Never travelled alone, always made sure to have another NCO come with him
(00:39:18) Living Conditions in Italy
-He was housed in a former Italian/German military police headquarters
-He shared a large room in the HQ with another noncommissioned officer
-Fed good food, it was still military food, but it was the best military food
-Occasionally got treated to Italian food that was cooked by the Italian workers
-Also able to go into Rome and eat at restaurants there
(00:40:54) Crime in Rome Pt. 1
-There was a lot of black market activity
-The Italian military police handled that with some assistance from the Americans
-Some of the drunken soldiers would get belligerent
-Majority were so intoxicated that they couldn’t resist
-He was armed with a club and a firearm, but never had to use them
-The majority of work against crime was done from his office

�(00:43:00) Relationship between Noncommissioned Officers and Commissioned Officers
-Most of the commissioned officers in his unit were good men
-Some of them were career soldiers and had been in the Army for a decade or more
-Had a high level of professionalism
-There were no problems between the noncommissioned officers and the commissioned officers
(00:44:52) Crime in Rome Pt. 2
-He was never in any dangerous or desperate situations
-The Italian police dealt with crimes involving the Italians
-Majority of the Italian police were honest men
-Some were corrupt though, and possibly involved with prostitution
-The main product being traded in the black market was American cigarettes
-Some soldiers would sell military clothing or handguns to the Italians
-There wasn’t a lot of that going on that he was aware of though
(00:47:30) Contact with Home
-He was away from the United States for thirteen months
-He spent Christmas 1946 in Italy
-Treated to a special Christmas dinner
-He was able to write letters home to his friends and family
-Some friends from Flint Central High School were also in the military
-He was able to write to them
-Some were stationed relatively close and could visit him in Rome
-Censorship of letters ended shortly after he got Italy
(00:50:33) Coming Home and End of Service
-He was ready to go home when the time
-That is not to say he didn’t enjoy his time Italy, but was ready to go back
-Placed on a truck and taken a few miles north of Rome to a port
-Boarded another Victory Ship there
-The voyage home wasn’t bad and he arrived in New Jersey
-He was sent to a base in New York for three or four days
-From there he was sent to Fort Sheridan, Illinois to be discharged
-Sometime in early 1947
(00:53:00) Life after the War
-He worked at the Flint Post Office for a few months
-Enrolled in Michigan State University on the GI Bill
-Got his bachelor’s degree in journalism
-He worked for the Flint Journal (a newspaper) for a little while
-He eventually went to work for the Buick Motor Division at General Motors
-Worked in the office, specifically in the purchase department
-Working with vendors from all over the state
-Got a job through one of the vendors in Ferndale, Michigan
-Worked there for eighteen months
-He enrolled in Wayne State University and studied law
-He got a job with Corporate Service while he was in law school
-After completing law school and passing the bar he got a job as a lawyer at a law firm
-Worked there for a year and a half
-Dealt with workmen’s compensation and malpractice suits

�-He opened his own law office in Flint, Michigan
-Also had some legal work in Grand Rapids, Michigan
-When he was semi-retired he lived for a year in Florida
-Decided that he missed the Midwest and moved to Grand Rapids, Michigan
(01:00:25) Reflections on Service
-His service taught him how to live and work with people from a variety of backgrounds
-He learned a great deal about the real world which helped him to mature
-He thoroughly enjoyed his years at Michigan State University
-Allowed that experience due to his time in the Army and the GI Bill

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