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Air Force
Shaun Davis
Length of Interview (00:07:45)
Background
Born in 1960
Father was a salesmen and mother was a homemaker
Has four sisters and one brother
Younger brother served in the Army
Enlisted into the Air Force at the age of 18


Family had a long history of veterans



Felt it was a good opportunity to move forward and also travel

Enjoyed flying, very different being alone (no alone time with a family of eight)
It was hard to adapt to the lifestyle, had been very undisciplined
Went to San Antonio for basic training, then Wichita for training (00:02:45)
Served on Travis Air Force Base, near Sacramento, California
Met a lot of people from different cultures; still in contact with a few of them, from all over the
country


Tend to drift apart after serving

During free-time, would explore California and also party
Stayed in touch with his family through phone calls and letters
Reserves (00:04:40)
Working at a medical center at the time; had a choice to go to Berkley or see his family


Had to make the choice six months before leaving; chose to go home

In some ways it was difficult to readjust, still didn’t consider himself as a civilian

�Military was an excellent experience; had a lot of jobs and responsibility
Had originally planned to be a Hospital Administrator, given the position after a captain left


Very challenging and rewarding

Learned that people need to go into the service realizing it is not just a job; found out what it was
like to be alone; discipline was helpful

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(00:31:45)
(0:20) The Early Years
• Born in Benton Harbor June 6, 1957
• Had 1 sister and 3 brothers
• Dad worked at Superior Steel and later at the Benton Harbor Public Schools from
where he retired
• Mom also worked and retired from the Benton Harbor Public Schools
(1:24) Before Grade School
• Went to Alabama during the summers to visit grandparents
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• Both sets of grandparents lived in Alabama
o His dad’s father was named Claude or “Wig” because he was bald
 Claude was a farmer and also ran a barber shop out of his home
o His mom’s father was named Gus Shackleford
 Gus worked at the paper mill
(2:19) Alabama
• Played with cousins
• Segregation was extremely prevalent
o Davis and his family still had to sit on the back of the bus
o Separate washrooms
• Played with cousins
o Cowboys and Indians, army, rode bikes, etc.
• Saturday mornings, Davis helped his grandpa Claude load up trucks with crops to
take to market
• Saturday afternoons, Davis sold peanuts his grandpa roasted in his grandpa’s
barber shop
o The barber shop was located right behind the house
o It was more of a side business, opened mainly on Saturday afternoons and
Friday nights
(4:25) School
• Elementary School
o Went to McCoy which was 4 blocks from his house
o Played the trumpet and also baseball
• Junior High
o Continued to play trumpet
o Favorite class was math and typing
 Liked typing because only boy in the class!
 The reason he took typing was because during the summer Davis
had broken his hip playing football; the typing class replaced
Davis’ gym class
• Benton Harbor High School

�o Played in the band until 10th grade
o 11th and 12th grade Davis worked at Jewel as a bagger and a stocker
 Enjoyed job because got to meet a lot of people
(8:20) School Dances
• Attended many school dances
• When missed his curfew, his mom would sit behind the door with a broom; when
Davis would finally get in, his mom would hit him with the broom and then
would have Davis’ father say a few words to Davis
o Davis’ father would say, “Just try to make curfew and make Mom happy!”
(9:50) Cars
• First car = ’66 Chevy Impala
• Second car = ’68 Buick Skylark
(10:15) Enlisting in the Military
• Spent one year at John Wesley College in Michigan but decided it wasn’t for him
and that he was going to enlist with a few buddies
• When returned home from college in April, told mom he was going to Detroit to
visit a girl friend but instead Davis was actually going to Detriot to enlist
• Enlisted in the Army
• Day after enlisted, Davis was sent to Fort Knox, Kentucky
(11:25) Training
• Felt a lot like football practice
• Specialized in supply
• Went to Virginia to attend Supply School
• After school, sent to Germany for 4 years with the 42nd Medical Company
(12:15) Supply School
• It was a self-paced school that usually took 12 weeks to complete
• Davis finished it in 6 weeks
• Food was decent but the food in Germany was even better
(13:10) Why Germany
• Everyone who enlisted was asked where they would want to travel to
• So Davis was sent to Germany on a plane
o 10 hour flight on a DC-10
(13:40) Germany
• Arrived in Frankfurt where Davis was assigned to the 42nd Medical Company
• Davis and the Company were sent to Nuremburg
• Stayed in the Merrill Barracks which were nicknamed the “Gangster Hotel”
o One of Hitler’s old headquarters
 All types of underground tunnels; the tunnels were blocked off so
Davis was not able to go through the tunnels
o Just down the road was a park called Duzendteich
 There were 12 ponds that Hitler used as landing pads for his
planes; he would drain the pond, land his planes, and then refill the
pond with water.
(15:00) Language
• Language was not a problem

�The younger people spoke both English and German so Davis never had to learn
German
(15:19) Other Places Davis Visited
• Rome, Paris, Greece, and Spain
(15:40) Rome and Paris
• Rome
o Took a tour bus around
• Paris
o Davis went on his own
o Took a 16 hour train ride from Germany to Paris
o Met up with his cousin who was playing pro-basketball
o Stayed 30 days (Davis was on his 30 day leave)
o Followed the team around
(17:40) Responsibilities at Base Camp in Germany
• At first, took care of dirty laundry, ordering clothes and shoes
• Switched to the Motor Pool
o Dispatched out ambulances
 Kept track of mileage and scheduled maintenance
(18:19) Places Visited in Germany
• Went to one USO outdoor concert
• Saw auto races
• Olympic Village
• Dachau
(19:00) Dachau
• Visited Dachau, one of Hitler’s concentration camps
• Very interesting and very sad
• Davis said he could still smell the burning flesh
(20:20) After Germany
• Returned home and served in the Reserves for 6 years with the military police
o Returned to Germany one summer for training
(20:55) Military Police
• Stationed in: Denver, Fort Benjamin Harrison in Indianapolis, and also in Little
Rock, Arkansas
• Arkansas
o Was sent there for 2 months to guard the Cubans [from Mariel Boatlift?]
o Scary situation but because members of the police force, they were
allowed to carry .45s and guns unlike the National Guard
o The military police were flown down to Arkansas and given riot gear to
wear
o Stayed in barracks right next to where the Cubans were being held
 Cuban men, women, and children were living behind barbed wire
fences in tents
(23:40) Jobs
• While in the Reserves, worked for Hugh’s Plastics for 2 years
o Loaded trucks
•

�Also had a part-time job as a caretaker for John Stubbleson (?), who was
considered the wealthiest man in St. Joseph
(25:19) Marriage
• Had a wonderful social life
• Married twice
• First time for 13 years and then divorced (no children)
• Second time for 10 years and then divorced
o Has one 9 year old daughter who comes and visits every other weekend
(27:10) Other Jobs
• Came to Grand Rapids in the early 1980s with his first wife
• Became head custodian for Park Congregational Church for 7 years
o Davis was there when the huge fire broke out
o If Davis hadn’t closed everything up as he always did, the fire would have
been MUCH worse
o The fire was caused by arson; someone broke into the church
• Became custodian in the Grand Rapids Public Schools for 15 years
• Later, served on the Chamber of Commerce as a Supervisor of grounds keeping
for 4 years
• In 2005, got sick and came to the Veteran’s Home
(30:35) How Service Affected His Life
• Davis said that he got to see parts of the world he otherwise would have probably
never seen.
•

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Veterans History Project Interview
Vietnam War
Harold Day
38:52
Introduction (00:24)
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Harold was born in Ava, Missouri on June 26, 1949.
He grew up there with his family that was in the restaurant business along with farming.
Harold went up to tenth grade in high school; he then moved to Kansas City and
eventually began working for General Motors. He worked there for ten years before
getting into the auto body business.
Harold was drafted on April 8, 1969 into the United States Army.
At that point, he knew that a war was going on and that people were getting killed. He
went on with his life until they came looking for him.
He had an uncle that was in World War I, but no other relatives that were veterans.

Military Training (02:15)
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Harold was sent to Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri for his basic training.
When they first got to training, they were given their uniforms and then the training
started.
The instructors were tough, but they needed to be to get them in shape.
Harold did not have any trouble adjusting to military life, since he was used to having
discipline growing up.
Most of the instructors were likely Vietnam Vets but he wasn’t sure.
Basic training lasted 8 weeks, followed by AIT (Advanced Individual Training). (04:12)
While at AIT, each man was assigned their MOS (Military Occupational Specialty),
Harold’s was Eleven Delta, armored.
AIT was conducted at Fort Knox, Kentucky.
AIT differed from basic training because along with the physical aspect of training, they
also learned their individual jobs.
Harold was trained on the M114 (armored personnel carrier) and tanks (M48, M60).
All aspects of the vehicle are learned such as being the mechanic, driver and other jobs
on the vehicle crew.
When he was drafted, he knew he was going to Vietnam.
AIT was an additional 8 weeks.
After that training was completed, Harold was sent home for thirty days and then was
sent to Vietnam.

Vietnam (05:58)
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Harold went to Oakland, and was flown to Hawaii, Guam and then to Vietnam on a
chartered commercial flight.

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His first impression of the country of Vietnam was hot and muggy.
Their plane landed in Long Binh, a large base outside of Saigon. They landed during the
day, and they were immediately sent through processing which included being issued
their jungle fatigues. (07:06)
The processing into country took about threes days, and Harold was then assigned to the
1st Battalion, 4th Cavalry, 1st Infantry Division. They were based out of Lai Khe, which is
located north of Saigon.
The area around the base was farms, rice fields and a rubber plantation called “The
Michelin”.
Harold’s unit was an armored one that included M113 APC’s and M48 tanks. He was
made a tank driver.
He joined them when they were out in the field. He was trucked out to his unit and he
began working.
Before he went out in the field, he was given some initial in-country training about booby
traps and other things to be mindful of while in Vietnam by the 1st Division. (09:46)
In their area of operations, not much was going on, but they ran convoys and some
shooting but not much. One APC was called out one night and while driving through a
mud hole a command detonated mine was set off and injured some people.
They primarily worked within their armored unit, and Harold did not feel in danger with
the unit at that time.
The civilians would come out and see the soldiers as they drove by in their tanks. They
would ask for candy and c-rations. (11:54)
The morale was good with the men, everything they did was routine and not to
demanding.
They did not have any big issues with drugs, and Harold let his fellow soldiers know that
his number one goal was to get home safe and he would not let anything jeopardize that.
Harold was with the tank unit from September till the first or second week of November.
He did not like the tank commander on his vehicle, so he volunteered to go to sniper
school. (13:48)

Sniper Training and Operations (13:55)
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Harold heard on the radio that they were looking for volunteers for sniper school so he
decided to sign-up.
As a boy, he hunted and was familiar with shooting.
Out of 23 shooters that completed the course, he graduated 5th.
Sniper training was a lot of shooting; they did not receive any training on missions or
anything other than shooting.
When he was given his diploma after graduating the course, General Wolf told the men
that if they were misused, get a hold of him and he would get things fixed.
After that training they were sent around in teams observing the country side in towers
that were air lifted around the area. (15:48)
While doing that, they did not see many Vietnamese, most likely because the tower was
clearly visible to everyone, especially the enemy.

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Harold did not feel exposed or vulnerable in the towers because he could see and hit the
enemy long before they could hit him.
He remained with the 1st Infantry Division until they pulled out February 1970, then he
was reassigned to the 101st Airborne. Harold knew that being sent to another unit that
was up north was more dangerous because things were more hostile up there.
They were flown on a C-130 north to Camp Eagle where the division headquarters was
located. (17:38)
With the 101st, they started using helicopters instead of trucks. Harold and one other
sniper were put with a reconnaissance unit and missions began almost immediately.
The first month of operating, did not have a drastic amount of enemy activity. They were
operating around Hue City, A Shau Valley and Khe Sanh. (19:45)
They performed various missions including basic reconnaissance, rescue operations and
anything else that came up. The snipers basically operated as regular infantry and he got
along great with the other men.

Ripcord (21:28)
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One day they came around asking for volunteers to go up to Firebase Ripcord for
perimeter guard, they volunteered for 10 days but ended up staying for 30.
This was in June when they were there. The base was in the mountains and was just like
any other firebase to them. Harold and his sniper partner did not find out what really
happened there until thirty years later.
They began taking mortar rounds one day, and after the attack, they paced the hits off and
one was 13 feet from his position and another was 9 feet. (23:28)
As perimeter guard, Harold does not recall any targets to shoot at while there.
In a five day period 10 men from his troop were killed, including 7 killed on July 8th.
It still bothers him to this day, because he always wonders if there was something else
that he could have done to keep them alive.
They had more enemy in the area than they could have ever anticipated.
Harold feels that the upper echelon of leadership truly cared about the men and they did
everything they could to keep them safe and out of harm’s way. Harold has learned more
about this in the last few years after reading and studying on the subject and from
attending the Ripcord reunions. (26:03)
After Ripcord was abandoned, he continued to work in the area. When he had thirty days
left in country, the First Sergeant came up and asked Harold if he could weld. He told
him that he could so he had to make some kitchen sinks to keep him out of the field.
10 days left in country, Harold was sent out in the field and he was then asked to extend
for 58 days and then after that he would be given an early out. He decided to go home
and serve his remaining time in the states where he had a better survival rate.
When Harold got home, he was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas and he served another
seven months and then got out of the army.

Looking Back (27:40)

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Back in the armor unit, when they would shut down for the night they would park the
vehicles in a circle like a wagon train. They would then erect a protective fence that
would catch RPG’s.
Most of the time they were given hot meals, but when a vehicle broke down or something
else happened they might miss it. Once, they got stuck in the mud and it caused them to
miss their cold beers and hot meals. (28:52)
When they got stuck, they would hook APC’s to the tank and pull them out. On one
occasion it took ten APC’s back to back pulling to get Harold’s tank out of a mud hole.
With the 1st Infantry Division, they spent most of their time out in field.
When Harold was with the 101st, they used helicopters for entry and extractions. They
also worked hand in hand with the Army Rangers. (30:28)
50% of his time in Vietnam was spent in the field. They were on base more than a
regular infantry unit was.
On their reconnaissance patrols they would find weapons, information and documents
and they would find these in bunkers that people left behind. July 8th was the worst day
for him in Vietnam because seven of his fellow soldiers were killed. (32:28)
After July 8th, the morale of the unit went down due to the mourning of their losses, but
they continued with their mission. Replacements were sent to replace the losses, but not
right away.

Back in the States (33:29)
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When he was sent back to Fort Hood, a buddy of his told him in order to not pull duty for
thirty days to stay gone, which he did successfully.
They didn’t do much, they would run maneuvers in the field and chase deer with tracks
but they had it easy.
Harold did not pay much attention to the war protesters.
He got his job back at General Motors in Kansas City and later got into auto body
painting.
After working in Kansas City, he moved down to Texas in the 1980s and once he retired
he moved back to Missouri. (35:55)
His military service made him more disciplined and allowed him to be able to handle the
outside world in a better way. It made him tougher, and he would do it again if he could.
Give him a gun and he’s ready to go.
When he was living in Texas near Fort Hood, he met a Vietnam vet that got Harold in
touch with General Harrison who was the commanding officer of the 3rd Brigade during
Ripcord. Harold got to know him and his wife and he was invited to attend a reunion in
Springfield, Missouri. This is now the third Ripcord reunion that Harold has attended.

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Veterans History Project Interview
Name of War: Operation Iraqi Freedom
Interviewee’s Name: Mike Day
Interview Length: 45 minutes
Pre-Enlistment (00:30)
•

Childhood (00:35)
o Born in Napa Valley, California in September, 1984. At age 2, he and his parents
moved first to Whitehall and then Grand Rapids, Michigan. (00:37)

•

Family (0:42)
o Growing up, his father worked as a fiber optics man on televisions. (00:51)

•

Education (01:08)
o In high school, Day mentions being a small town boy involved in activities such
as going to the beach and spending time with friends. (01:32)
o When 9/11 hit, Day was age 17 and was in the principal’s office and he relates
how he saw the World Trade Center being attacked. (01:41)

Enlistment/Basic Training (02:03)
•

Why he joined (02:14)
o Upon completion of high school, being that he was 17 and not quite eligible to gin
up for the service, he didn’t know what he was going to do. In April, 2003 he
walked into a recruiter’s office and signed up and was on his way to Fort Knox
for basic training by May to be in the National Guard. (02:30)

•

Where he went (03:10)
o Fort Knox basic training (03:17)


Describes his attendance of basic training at Fort Knox in some detail.
(03:23)



Day mentions how his drill sergeants yelled at new recruits like him.
(04:04)

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Basic for Day lasted about 9 weeks in three phases: Red in which they
underwent intensive training, White in which they eased up on a trainee
and blue phase in which they allowed the trainee to make phone calls
home. At the end of it, he was given a 1-day pass to visit family and
friends. (05:00)

o Fort Leonard Wood training (05:37)


Was shipped for from Fort Knox to Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri where
he spent 5 ½ weeks training and learning how to operate trucks. Mentions
this experience in some detail. (05:44)



Day spends some time describing some of his military responsibilities
with the big military trucks he worked with. (06:05) During his stay there,
he received a letter detailing what he could expect when he was deploying
to Iraq. After this experience he went home unsure if he was ready for
school yet. (07:17)

o Other activities (07:31)


Briefly describes his work with 7up and the day he was called up by the
National Guard to go to Detroit and then Grayling, Michigan to pick up
his training equipment. (07:50)



Briefly describes in some detail summer training and forward operation
base experiences. (08:50)



At about that time, he was still living with his parents when he received a
call from his staff sergeant who told him to report to the 1461st
Transportation Company(09:36) A week later he was attached to the 61st
Transportation Company doing some drills, and then off to Camp
Atterbury, Indiana. (10:20)



His impressions of Iraq up to this point were all based on what he heard
from the media. (10:45)

o Camp Atterbury training (11:10)


Went down to Camp Atterbury, where he trained for 3 months in 1st Aid
and road marching. (11:18)



Had a lot of training in the searching and disarming of IEDs before
encountering them in Iraq. Day mentions what his body armor consisted
of. (12:02) Once deployed in Iraq, he was issued an additional 20 pounds
of body armor for the weak points in his vest. (13:23)

�

The type of weapons he trained was M-4s and M-16s. (13:33)



After 3 months there, he was sent by air aboard a C-130 aircraft, making a
brief stop in Germany and flew on to Kuwait. (14:48)

Active Duty (14:55)
•

Where he went (15:05)
o Camp Speicher background (15:10)


Geographically, Camp Speicher is in Northern Iraq near Tikrit, Iraq. He
briefly describes his impressions of Iraq. (15:14)



Being attached to a heavy transportation unit his responsibilities included
transporting Abraham tanks, heavy equipment, and other equipment
places. (16:32)



On base, he briefly mentions different interactions with other American
military branches and British personnel. (16:52)

o Military missions (17:35)


On his first mission, Day went to Baghdad where he was pulled out of
transport platoon duty because he was found to have computer skills and
because of this he was put in charge to head up a MWR. (17:40)



Afterwards, he received a mission from his CO to go to Camp Liberty in
Baghdad. (18:13)



•

About that time, the level of danger was potentially dangerous.
Sometimes they came across IEDs but rarely he was ever shot at.
(18:52)

•

Briefly describes the setup of a typical convoy looked like and how
to look for IEDs. His first mission took place at about November
2006. (19:58)

•

Got fired at by a bunch of tracers. Called in the men in the gun
trucks who fired their 50-calibers. Briefly describes what transpires
when a mine blows a tire. (21:14)

•

Briefly describes how an IED blows up a humvee, and/or a convoy
truck. (22:52)

Briefly describes his daily schedule. (24:03)

�o Living conditions (25:39)


Among the places, Day mentions being deployed are Camp Liberty in
Baghdad; Camp Speicher near Tikrit; and Camp Anaconda in Balad, Iraq.
According to Day these camps each had their own feels. (27:43)



Contact with Iraqi civilians was limited. The most he saw were shepherds
herding their sheep until he got to the big cities where it was more heavily
populated. (28:33)



Was in Iraq for 11 ½ months with his National Guard unit. For the most
part respect was shown all around with the various branches. (29:30)



The unit his unit was to replace showed them their duties and
responsibilities and where to go. (30:57)

o Other activities (31:50)


On one encounter, Day was attached to a unit an area called Area 51 a
place where Kuwaiti civilians and refugees congregated. Attached with 5
others who were mostly interpreters he was responsible for the care of 500
internationals. (32:54) Briefly describes his time with them. (33:05)

o Going Home (34:46)


Before going home, Day trained the new replacements and then went back
to Camp Atterbury, Indiana where he spent 4 days. Was then paraded onto
a parade field in Jackson, Michigan with many other officers to hear Gov.
Granholm and other generals speak to them and then to be discharged
afterwards. (35:10)



Mentions that he had a few more drills with the 61st before returning to the
1463rd unit out of Wyoming, Michigan. (35:54)

After the Service (36:10)
•

Adjusting to Home (36:15)
o Spent the first couple of days in shock and readjusting to ordinary life. Also spent
time with friends and family. (36:31s)
o Afterwards, he went on to attend MCC for a while and then to GVSU. (36:47)
o While readjusting to civilian life, he relates how with the mentality of showing no
emotions and surviving everyday ruined many relationships he pursued
afterwards. (37:42)

�•

Military service after he was discharged (38:02)
o Day is currently spending another 3 years in the military mainly because it offers
him the chance for a payment bonus. To kids who might want to join the military
he mentions how positive the training and discipline he learned as a result of
joining the Armed Services. Also mentions that they should know what they are
signing up for before joining. (38:40)
o Day wraps by mentioning that the military forced him to grow up and briefly
mentions what his future plans were. (41:43)

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�DAYTON
TOWNSHIP

Dayton Township Board
John DeKuiper, Supervisor
Eloise Kunnen, Clerk
Don Akershoek, Treasurer
Russel Boeskool, Trustee
William Edbrooke, Trustee

Newaygo, County
Michigan

Dayton Township
Planning Commission
Preston Krommendyk, Chainnan Nonnan Knorr, Secretary
Maxine Annis
Perry DeKryger
John DeKuiper
Myron Kokx Jr.
c.M. Shigley
Harvey Van Hemert

Planning Consultant
Snell ·Environmental Group
·1120 May Street
Lansing, Michigan 48906
( 517) 374-6800

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�Introduction

�INTRODUCTION
The report that is comprised of the following pages of illustrations, maps
and text is the Master Land Use Plan for Dayton Township. It is intended to
be very different from other land use plans--those "thick reports" that all
too often serve as a "dust collector" on a shelf somewhere. This document is
an active, working instrument--a guide for an equally dynamic, changing and
forward-looking community.
The Master Land Use Plan intended for Dayton Township is a participatory document.
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"Planning, to be effective, must not be imposed from above on the
premise that the planners know what's good for the planned. The
small minority whose job it .is to prepare the plan must find out
not only what can, in effect, b~ ~echnically achieved, but what
it is the ·planned want"
(Cecil Stewart, The Prospect of Cities, ·1952).
The elected and appointed officials responsible for its review and direction
come from all areas and elements of the Township. The groundwork for their
actions came, in a large part, from the attitudes and opinions expressed by
residents at large. Discussions were conducted and decisions realized, in an
open interchange of ideas.
WHAT IS A LAND USE PLAN?
The term "Master Land Use Plan, is synonymous with several other expressions
such as "general development plan, "master plan," "community plan, and the
like. The basic intent and components of these documents are similar, however. A Master Land Use Plan is an official policy guide which states community· goals and suggests actions by which such goals may be reached in a
coordinated manner.
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The Township Planning Act (P.A. 168 of 1959, as amended) states that the contents of a "land use plan" shall include maps, plats, charts and descriptive,
explanatory and other related matter and shall show the Planning Commission's
recommendations for the physical development of the unincorporated area of
the Township. Further, such a pl an shal 1:

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�1.

Classify and allocate land for a variety of uses;

2.

Define the "location, character and extent" of various public works
such as streets, sewer and water, and the like;

3.

Make recommendations relative to public lands or facilities; and,

4.

Give recommendations for implementing any proposals -made regarding the
above items.

This Master Land Use Plan can be further described as long-range and general,
yet comprehensive. The fact that it is long-range implies that it is forward-looking, establishing the relationships between potential population
levels, land use needs and support facilities • . As a 11 general 11 document, this
Plan establishes broad principles and policies intended to accommodate a variety of issues. This Plan is 11 comprehensive" in its relationship to all land
uses. Finally, the tenn "Pl an" implies .a document conta_ined both in text and
map fonn.
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NEED FOR A LAND USE PLAN
No community stands still through time. To maintain the quality of life and
environment, and to protect the health, safety, welfare and convenience of
its residents, Dayton Township must be prepared to meet the challenge of the
future. Unguided development may lead to land use conflicts, the loss of
farmland and water, and the waste of tax dollars.
State enabling legi.slation (P.A. 184 of 1943, as amended) implies that zoning
ordinances adopted to meet Township goals "shall be based upon a plan." It
is the intent of this document to fi 11 such a need for Dayton Township.
As a policy instrument, the Plan is adopted by the Tm•mship Planning Commission in accordance with the provisions of Act 168 and does, therefore, not
have the status of a law. This provides the Plan with the flexibility necessary to allow review and adjustment as conditions change over time. By comparison, the Dayton Township Zoning Ordinance is a specific statement of land
use control, adopted by ordinance, and as such, carries the weight of law.

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�THE PLANNING PROCESS
The following diagram illustrates the four basic steps employed to arrive at
a Master Land Use Plan for Dayton Township. Planning, at its rational best,
is a continual process and includes:
1.

Background and Analysis-Element: assemble and study an array of
background data and other technical or non-technical infonnation
peculiar to Dayton Township and gennane to fonnulation of the Plan;

2.

Policy Element:
pub 1i c input;

3.

Plan Element: both a written and graphic representation of potential
land use arrangement;

4.

Implementation/Change Element: suggestions for carrying out Plan
proposals, checking on progress and adapting to changing times •

detennination of problems, trends, potentials and

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PLANNING PROCESS

BACKGROUND
ANALYSIS

&amp;

POLICY

Plan

IMPLEMENTATION/
CHANGE

• Background studies

• Goals

• Text

• Suggestions

• Data inventory

• Actions

• Map

• Re-evaluate/
modify

• Analysis-synthesis

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�GENERAL PURPOSES OF THE PLAN
General purposes of the Master Land Use Plan for Dayton Township are to:
• Encourage the use of lands and resources in accordance with their
character and adaptability.
• Facilitate provision for systems of transportation, sewage disposal,
safe and adequate water supply, education, recreation, and other
pub 1i c requirements. ·
• Conserve the expenditure of public funds for impr_ovements and services.
• Limit the improper use of land, resources and properties.
• Limit the over-crowding of land by buildings and people.
• Insure a desirable trend and character of land, building, and population
development.
DEFINITIONS
Unfortunately the terminology of planning and zoning can be as different to
the lay citizen as the language barrier that greets a traveler in a foreign
country. Appendix A attempts to list and define those terms that are common
to planning commission work or that are found within the text of this Plan.
An understanding of their meaning will aid in an understanding of this document, permitting both the public and Township Planning Commissioners to
communicate effectively.

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�.13ocl~ground &amp;
Analysis

�REGIONAL OVERVIEW
Newaygo County. is located in the west-central part of the Lower Peninsula
of Michigan, being immediately north of the Grand Rapids-Kent County metropolitan area and separated from Lake Michigan by Oceana and Muskegon counties to the immediate west. Dayton Township surrounds on three sides the
City of Fremont si.tuated north of Fremont Lake in west-central Newaygo
County. Dayton Township is located some 45 miles north of Grand Rapids
and approximately 28 miles northeast of Muskegon.
PHYSIOGRAPHY
The physical features of Newaygo County are, for the most part, a direct result of the most recent glacial period, having been covered by a large ice
lobe. Surface features show considerable variation in relief, but no great
range in elevation. Primary topographic features are rolling, plateau uplands (moraines) and plains. Both features are irregular in shape, size and
occurrence throughout the County. Secondary topographic features occur where
there are till plains or old glacial drainage valleys and include; rounded
hills, dry valleys, low gravelly knolls and ridges, shallow swales, large
swamps and lakes. Parts of Dayton and adjoining townships to the east comprise a plain having an elevation of 800 feet above sea level. Small tributaries have cut back from the Muskegon River and developed deep, steep- sided
ravines; some to depths of 30-40 feet. The rough uplands north of Fremont
are characterized by rel _a tively strong relief and steep-sided depressions
occupied by lakes.
CLIMATE

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The climate of Newaygo County and Dayton Township is defined as continental.
This implies short and mild summers, coupled with winter months that are
fairly long and cold. Seasons change gradually, the average difference in
temperature between winter and .spring being 20°F, and 23°F between fall and
winter. Both spring and fall are characterized by sharp freezes and cold
waves. The mean winter temperature is 23.4°F, but fluctuations from 59° to
-37°F have been recorded. The coldest month of the year is February with an
average temperature of 21.8°F; July is the hottest month with a mean of 70.6°F.
Summers are generally mild, however, a maximum temperature of 102°F has been
recorded. Hot days are usually accompanied by oppressive high humidity. The

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average frost~free period is 132 days, ample for production of a wide range
of crops. The frost-free period varies considerably on a localized level,
due to elevation and air drainage. In some places frost may occur in any
month, yet moving west towards Lake Michigan the frost-free period is extended. Average annual precipitation is 31.14 inches; yearly snowfall averages
40.5 inches. Precipitation is fairly well distributed throughout the year.
Prevailing winds are westerly and rarely of high velocity •
AREA HISTORY
The soil and climate of the region in which Dayton Township is located makes
is closely
Indians and
a few French trappers, Newaygo County began its recorded hi story when it \'1as
opened _for white settlement in 1836. A group of capitalists .from Chicago,
hedaded by Hi ram Pi ersons kand Henry Pennoyer and guided by Mitchel 1 Charl eau ,
ma e their way up the Mus egon River in search of water power sites for mil 1s.
The first settlement was established in 1837 at what . is now Newaygo. The
county was organized in 1840, and the population began to grow, mostly in connection with the lumber industry.

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In 1855, a group of families from the southern part of the state settled at
Fremont. In the same year the first dam and sawmill were built there.
Dayton Township was organized in 1857 and in the following years frame buildings were erected and a school was built. The population of the township and
the county increased rapidly as the local industry began to boom.
By 1860, 17 lumber mills were operating in the county, as well as 2 flour
mills. Three sidewheel steamers and several lumber scows plied the Muskegon
River. In 1869, the Newaygo Republican reported that the spring log drive to
Lake Michigan filled the river for 27 miles.
In 1873, the railroad reached Newaygo from Grand Rapids, with a branch extending through Fremont to Hart. This development brought about a major
change in the lumber business. Previously, all cutting had been done during
winter months so that the logs could be easily skidded to the rivers and
floated to the lake. Consequently, the cut areas were close to the rivers
and covered with three to four foot stumps that reached above the snow. The ·
railroads opened up the interior and also made it possible to set up portable
shingle mills to cut up the stumps. This new phase of the industry helped
clear large tracts of· land for farming.

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�As logging reached its height in the early 1880 1 s, the population and prosperity of the region continued to grow. A county medical association, a
county fair and an increasing number of businesses and professional offices
were established. In 1898, a group of businessmen from Grand Rapids inspected the marl beds north of Newaygo and by 1902 the newly formed Newaygo Portland Cement Company was shipping its first barrels out. This opened a new
economic era, which prospered for over thirty years.
Since that time the region. has become attractive to vacationers and sportsmen, offering streams, lakes and woodlands for their enjoyment. Agriculture
is ·also important, and fanning continues to be a major activity. During the
1940'~, the U.S. Forest Service began replanting non-productive land in pine
forests, looking forward to a new economic phase.
Sources:
Newaygo White Pine Heritage, 1976 • . Robert I. Thompson, Newaygo Bicentennial
Committee.
Cradle Days of Newaygo County, 1962.

Harry S. Spooner, Newaygo, Michigan.

The First White Pathfinders of Newaygo County, Michigan, 1954.
County, Michigan.

Newaygo

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�SOCIAL ELEMENTS
POPULATION TRENDS AND PROJECTIONS
A recognition of population characteristics and possible changes is necessary
to properly plan for the future. Failure to discern trends in population
change, for instan_ce, may result in inadequate governmental services or increased social costs. Obviously, the U.S. Census is the single source for
data on the social/economic character of Dayton Township. While population
tabulations are available, more detailed data will not be available for severa·l months. It is the intent of local officials that this Master Land Use
Plan be a working document and not a compilation of little-used statistics.
You will notice that such information is utilized on a selective basis.
POPULATION TRENDS
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relating historical trends, it becomes possible to create a realistic understanding of population change.
The 1980 Census tabulations are both preliminary and incomplete at this time.
However, on the basis of unofficial counts it is possible to judge the rate
of growth for Dayton Township as compared with the State, Newaygo County and
other townships. Table 1 reflects the rate of growth of Dayton Township from
1950-1980, relative to the State and Newaygo County. Growth rates for the
last two decades for Newaygo County and several adjoining communities are _
contained on Tabie 2. Information from Table 2 is shown graphically on Figures 2 and 3.
The (unofficial) 1980 total of 1,979 residents reflects a slower growth rate
for Dayton Township than adjoining communities--especially those to the west
in Muskegon County. There are, however, two elements to be recognized: 1)
the 1970 population of Dayton Township was greater than most municipalities
in Newaygo County; ranking third and surpassed only by Sheridan Township and
Fremont (applying a similar increase to a smaller base figure would result in
a much higher rate); and 2) the 1978 annexation of land from Dayton Township to Fremont was a small but contributing factor in this decreased rate of
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�The 1970-1980 growth rate for Newaygo County was 18.6%,. nearly six times that
experienced by Dayton Township. Even with the annexation of additional lands
and residents, the City of Fremont is shown to have declined in population
size by 4.2%. The large rates of increase undergone by Lincoln and Sherman
townships in Newaygo County and Holton and Cedar Creek townships in Muskegon
County are largely due to their small 1970 population base. Muskegon County,
to the west, showed· only a small population decline reflecting more stability
than in prior decades. While it is premature for any definitive statements,
it does appear that out-migration from the Muskegon Metropolitan Area may be
impacting out-county municipalities. The ramifications for bordering townships -in Newaygo County is unknown, although increasing energy costs on commuting, in particular, may diminish such a trend.

TABLE 1
DAYTON TOWNSHIP
POPULATION TRENDS 1950-1980

AREA .
State of Michigan

1950

1960

1970

1980

~;371,766 7,823,194 8,875,083 9,258,344

% CHANGE
1950-1980
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Newaygo County

21~567

24,160

27,992

33,226

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Dayton Township

1,523

1,709

1,910

1,979

29.9

Source:

1970 Census; Bureau of the Census
· 1980 Census; Final Tabulations
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�TABLE 2
DAYTON TOWNSHIP
AREA GROWTH 1960-1980

% CHANGE

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1960-1970

1980*

1970-1980

27,992

15.9

33,226

+18.7

1,709

1,910

11.8

1,979

+3.6

Lincoln Township

444

490

10.4

740

+51.0

Shennan Township

1,085 ·

1,411

30.0

1,723

+22.1

Garfield Township

1,713

1,448

-15.5

1,605

+10.8

Newaygo City

1,447 .

1,381

-4.6

1,212

-12.2

Sheridan Township

2,256

2,477

9.8

2,586

+4.4

Fremont City

3,384

3,465

2.4

3,320

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Denver Township

1,237

1,326

7.2

1,397

+2.6

Greenwood Township

508

575

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+40.7

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877

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847

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1,449

1,499

3.5

1,998

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1,224

1,467

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2,300

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�POPULATION PROJECTIONS
Certainly all population estimates, even .those _prepared by the U.S. Bureau of
Census, are inaccurate· to some degree·. · Further, projecting future population
levels for small municipalities, such as Dayton Township, can be a risky
undertaking.
It must be realized that most techniques utilized in population projections
are more dependable for the short-range of 5-10 years than for a longer period. As local conditions or variables change, such projections can then be updated over time. Further, local population shifts caused by non-demographic
factors, such as annexation, have resulted in an unstable tracking for past
population levels in Dayton Township--which are, in large part the basis for
estimate of future levels.
The following are the most acceptable methods for projecting population levels for small areas.
The ratio-component method assumes that a sub-unit (Dayton Township) of a

·1arger entity (Newaygo County) will continue to "capture" a fixed proportion

{5.96% in 1980) of the growth achieved by the larger unit. One fallacy of
this approach is that it does not account for population shifts within the
larger unit. The Department of Management and Budget of the State of Michigan
prepares and updates population projections for every county, and such a projection serves as the basis for the ratio-component approach.
A second method utilizes building permit statistics for the most recent five
year peri ad (1974-1979). and applies the preliminary 1980 tabul ati ans for both
total population (1979) and persons per household {2~85) as a take-off-point •
. Future increases are then an arithmetic projection from the 1980 base. It
should be noted that new single-family construction totals include the place~
ment of mobile home units in Dayton Township (see Table 3-1).
The third method is an arithmetic projection using the growth rate from 19601980 as the basis for ·estimation. Such an approach will indicate future
growth, assuming past long-term trends _continue without a drastic change that
would upset the Township's demographic composition. In that it would reflect
the 1978 annexation, an arithmetic projection of the 1970-1980 growth rate
(unofficial 1980 census) is also indicated.

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�A geometric · projection method re~lects the average annual rate of population
change for the Township over a detennined period of time (1960-1980) and the
extension of this rate (.79% per year) into the future.
A fifth method employs projections fonnulated by the West Michigan Regional
Planning Commission (WMRPC) for all minor civil divisions in Newaygo County
and Region 8. Th~ projections were developed in 1977 for five year intervals
and as adapted to the following fonnat, the population levels for intervening
years were extrapolated.
A final method, the so-called analysis method, is a mid-range or averaged projection based upon a combination of th.e most probable of the above projection
methods. This approach implies both a "best judgement analysis'' resulting in
projections founded on a "reasonable anticipation" of future growth.
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The population projections derived from these calculations are contained in
Table 3 and graphically depicted on Figure 4. These projections suggest that
during the next ten years the population of .Dayton Township might increase by
a minimum of 70 persons, a maximum of 550, and a more probable of 231.

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�TABLE 3
DAYTON TOWNSHIP
POPULATION PROJECTIONS 1980-2010
1980

1985

1990

1995

2000

2005

2010

1,979

2,013

2,258

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2,531

2,702

2,874

1,979

2,254

2,529

2,804

3,079

3,354

3,629

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2,113
2,049

2,180
2,084

2,247
2,119

2,314
2,154

2,381
2,189

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1,979

2,055

2,119

2,201

2,286

2,376

2,469

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2,255

2,400

2,545

2,690

2,835

2,980

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1,979

2,090

2,210

2,305

2,400

2,485

2,575

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�DAYTON TOWNSHIP'S FISCAL BASE
State Equalized Valuation
The State Equalized Value (SEV) of property is established by the State, the
County Equalization Board, and the Tmmship Assessor. By law, this value is
to be set at 50% of the true cash value of a given property. Taxes are then
levied on the property value which has been established through the SEV procedure. When ·one hears reference to the tax base in a community, what is
being discussed is the combined economic value of property upon which taxes
are collected (or SEV). As the Township Board determines the annual budget,
or makes plans for the financial future of Dayton Township, they must be
cognizant of the local tax base. Decisions concerning millage rates necessary to generate sufficient operating revenues for governmental operations
and activities will then be determined from tax base information.
The tax base in Dayton Township has grown over threefold in recent years (see
Table 4). Disregarding the obvious impact that inflatio~ (and state-wide
equalization) has had on these totals, the implication is that property
values are up and if millage levels stay the same, the· To\'mship will have
more revenue to spend per resident.
While no predictions of future trends are established, it is important to
acknowledge the relationship between economic growth and the financial
ability of local government to provide services to its residents.
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During the most recent fiscal year, ending March 31, 1980, Dayton Township
spent nearly $71,000 for services to local residents. Utilizing an estimated 1979 population level of 1,970 persons the per capita cost for these
services totaled $35.97. Major line item expenditures are those common to
all municipalities--fire protection and street maintenance or construction.
Roadway improvements alone accounted for over 55% of the 1979-1980 budget.
The budgetary data on Table 5 is intended to assist in charting the growth
and cost of public services provided by .Dayton Township. Future budget ex- ·
penditures and per capita expenses can be compared against this benchmark.

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�TABLE 4
DAYTON TOWNSHIP
EQUALIZED VALUATION
YEAR

TOTAL EQUALIZED
VALUATION

197Q

$ 4,925,899

1971

5,425,854

1972

PERCENT
CHANGE

ESTIMATED
POPULATION

PER CAPITA
EQUALIZED VALUATION

1,910

$ 2,579.00

9.2%

1, 917 -'

2,830.39

+9.7

5,710,850

5.0%

1,924

2,968.22

+4.9

1973

7,510,689

24.-0% ·

1,931

3,889.53

+31.4

1974

8,186,062

8.3%

1,938

4,223.97

+8.6

1975

9,096,700

10.0%

. 1,945

4,676.97

+10.7

1976

9,397,060

3.2%

1,952

4,814.06

+2.9

1977

11,435,152

17.8%

1,959

5,837.24

+21.2

1978

12,708,900

10.0%

1,963

6,474.22.

+10.9

1979

14,080,755

9.7%

1,970

7,147.59

+10.4 ·

1980

16,183,894

13.0%

1,979

8,177.81

+14.4

PERCENT
CHANGE

.,

Source: Dayton Township Assessment Records
9/80

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�TABLE 5
.DAYTON TOWNSHIP
BUDGET EXPENDITURES 1979-1980

· CATEGORY

. DISBURSEMENT

PER CAPITA
EXPENDITURE*

Gen~ral Administration
Township Trust~es
Supervisor~Assessor
Clerk's Office
Board of Review
Treasurer's Office

$ 4,717.10
5,950.59
3,204.89
360.00
3,721.79

TOTAL

$17,954.37

$ 9.11

T-0wnship Hall

$ 3,027.86

$ 1.54

Miscellaneous
Fi re Department
Roads
Other (landfill,
cemeta ry, etc. )

$ 6,960.66
40,041.13

$ 3.53
20.32

2,872.16

1.46

TOTAL

$70,856.18

$ 35.97

*Based on 1979 population estimate of 1,970 residents
Source:

Dayton Township Board of Trustees

9/80

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�COMMUNITY .ATTITUDE SURVEY/INPUT
There are several components necessary for the development of a reasonable
and useful land use plan. These· include an analysis of trends, perceived
assets or problems, past fonnal or infonnal strategies and finally, public
opinion.
"Who lans our communit? There must be an emphasis on neighborhoods sub-areas ~nd their relationship to the total comprehensive
plan. It starts with a map that shows your house, on your lot, on
your street. That is where we start. It does not start with a rap
about a bar chart that shows the various uses of energy. It does
not start with a map of a regional transportation system. It does
not start with a discussion about how we control the use of land.
It starts with your house, your lot, and your street. When we get
there then vie can begin to get people interested. 11
(Cantanese and Farmer, 1978).
Pri~r to the collection and analysis of any background data on the community, the Dayton Township Planning Commission prepared a community attitude
questionnaire on various land use or community issues. The long-tenn reasonableness and acceptance.of any planning program was felt to hinge on a sensitivity to local opinions and concerns. The questionnaire was an initial vehicle for obtaining llpersonal, local input 11 into the planning process. The
survey was distributed to all households and property owners of record in the
Township.
Social scientists commonly apply a 10% response factor as a rule of thumb
measurement of success when utilizing a mail-out/mail-back survey •. Final response to the survey exceeded 21%, indicating the concern of local citizenry
and their willingness to share their view points with the Commission. The
questionnaire proved a success -- and was of substantial assistance and
guidance to the Planning Commission in forn1ulating the goals and policies
that follow. The survey responses did reflect the following general information and attitudes. (See also Appendix C).

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�1.

The long-tenn stability of the Dayton Township ."community" was dram·atical ly evidenced by the lack of any population shifts since 1975 (63.1%
responding had not moved since 1975) and the strong indication (88.7%)
of those that intend to remain as Township residents in the foreseeable
future. Based on such indicators, one could diminish the potential for
at least any out-migration in the short-range.

2.

All of those responding to the survey owned their homes, the vast majority of which (92%) were single-family detached structures. Responses
were also received from those residing in mobile homes, duplexes and
multi-family _units.

3.

Perceptions of one's surroundings are critical in fonnulating attitudes
towards one's neighborhood or community. The most attractive feature of
Dayton Township, as perceived by its residents is its "agricultural or
rural atmosphere. 11 Survey respondents ranked proximity to pl ace of employment and scenic natural resources as the second and third most important characteri sties • . As could be anticipated, taxes were considered
the least attractive feature of living in Dayton Township.

4.

Residents indicated strong support for protecting active agricultural
lands from non-agricultural · development.

5.

An equally strong response supported protection of lands abutting streams
and lakes from intensive development. When questioned as to whether
wetlands, woodlots and floodplains should also receive some degree of
protection or conservation through zoning, the support for such a measure dropped by several percentage points from the prior response. Local
input appeared to indicate the usage of individually-owned woodlots, or
wetlands.

6.

The acid test, of course, for complete support for any protective policy
towards sensitive natural elements is similar support of a desired implementation meth_od. When the question was posed as to whether zoning
would be an acceptable means of retaining agricultural lands or protecting streambanks and lakeshore, the majority still answered favorably,
but by a slightly smaller number.

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�7.

A domfnant {78%) majority of those responding felt that there are sufficient retail stores and commercial facilities to serve basic needs.
Over half favored limiting the location of such facilities to areas
where they would conveniently serve population concentrations.

8.

Regarding residential growth, public opinion was against allowing
"strip" development of single-family homes in all areas of the Township, and in favor of requiring mobile homes to be located in mobile
home parks. Almost half of the respondents considered 1 acre to be
a desirable minimum lot size for single-family residences on rural,
non-subdivision lots. About the same number indicated a need for
an increase in the number of available single-family homes, and for
an elderly housing complex. · There was strong support towards discouraging any future increase in the number of mobile homes, rental
apartments, duplexes, as well as relaxing the zoning requirements
for "second homes" - cabins, cottages, and the like.

9.

Respondents showed a fairly strong interest in encouraging small industrial facilities to locate in the Township, providing such development was confined to an industrial park.

10.

Residents very strongly supported {94.7%) the statement that. the overall
quality of life in Dayton Township is "good." In defining reasons for
this, they indicated being pleased with the rate of growth in the Township and the preservation of its natural attractions. They also cited
adequate and convenient shopping facilities, . availability of employment
opportunities, and the good education provided by public schools. The
majority were satisfied with public services, though individual comments
indicated a desire for better road maintenance and ·a Township (or local)
landfill. ·
.

11.

Two issues - roadway improvements and disposal of solid waste - were
ranked high on the list of the most important problems facing Dayton
Township as perceived by its residents. However, those items were outranked by what is ·considered to be (even nationally) the number one problem - rising taxes.

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�EXISTING LAND USE
Prior to the attempts by communities to organize growth and development (or
land use planning as we presently know it) little thought was given to controlling, much less monitoring the character or direction of expansion. Land
use patterns evolved along natural or cultural constraints. The terrain of a
community, proximity to water, the early routing of a highway or development
of i commercial center, a11· impacted the configuration and composition of
existing communities. Early settlement activities including lumbering and,
more recently, agriculture, plus the proximity to Fremont and the employment/
cultural opportunities therein have all had an effect on the present land use
character of Dayton Township. Natural influences over land use include topography, the several lakes in the community and the extent of those soils
capable of sustaining agricultural practices.
An analysis of present conditions and trends is vital to formulate a scenario
of what is likely to occur in future years. In this light, the collection
and mapping of existing land uses as accurately as possible is a _critical
component of this planning program. We must recognize past land use decisions
both positive and negative, so that past mistakes might be avoided and planning for desirable, orderly growth consummated.
LAND USE CATEGORIES
The location and identity of existing land uses was compiled by the Dayton
Township Planning Commission during April and May, 1980. The key to such an
inventory is one of establishing and defining various use designations and
then identifying those lands occupied by such a use at the time of the survey.
The parameters established for each use category were as follows:
Agriculture and Undeveloped: All lands_ used for active farming, woodlots,
orchards, as well as all vacant properties.
Single Family and Farm.Residential: An area containing a structure intended
for occupancy by one family, including all accessory buildings normally associated with the dwelling. Homes in conjunction with an active farming operation are indicated separately. In sparsely settled rural areas for both
single-family and farm residences, a one acre unit was assumed.

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�Mobile Home . Residential:

Any mobile home on an individual parcel.

Commercial: Land used by establishments providing commodities or services to
the general public. This includes retail stores, offices for professional
services, motels, commercial recreation uses and all accessory elements, including parking.
Industrial/Manufacturing: Land used for storage or processing of products or
materials; including limited retail activity incidental to the primary industrial use.
Public:

Any publicly owned buildings or property.

Quasi-Public: Any building or property owned by a non-profit organization,
or that which is usually open to the general public. Includes golf courses,
churches, clubs, public utility buildings and the like.
LAND USE ANALYSIS
Dayton Township could best be described as being a lightly populated, rural
and agricultural community. The only areas of concentrated development surround the City of Fremont on its _north and :west, and Martin Lake. Figure 5
depicts the existing land use distribution within the -Township as derived
from the aforementioned survey. A statistical compilation of approximate
land use acreages and their proportion of the whole is shown on Table 6.
Historically, the township and range system of land subdivision formed most
Michigan townships as a 6 mile by 6 mile square. Dayton Township is roughly
34.3 square miles in extent (less than the normal 36 square miles) due to the
boundary adjustment that created the City of Fremont. Of the 21,977 acres
in the Township, only 6.5% are committed to developed or urban-type uses.
This leaves in excess of 20,000 acres in agricultural lands, undeveloped open
lands, woodlots and water. Of the 1,400 acres of Dayton Township that is developed, roughly 40% is occupied as residential, 9% is in public or semipublic uses, only 4% is attached to commercial or industrial facilities and
46% is committed to highway rights-of-way.

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�Residential development in the community is predominantly single-family-scattered site or rural subdivision, and fann-residences with several dispersed mobile homes. There are, however, two primary. and one secondary settlement areas which warrant special attention in this planning process.
These major areas include the 11 lakes" districts north of Fremont and east of
Ramshorn Drive, and the developed M-82 corridor west of Fremont and south of
44th Street. A smaller settlement node exists around the periphery of Martin
Lake. The scattered site residential development is rather well distributed
throughout the Township. As might be expected in the northern, more rural
sector of the Township, fewer homes exist along the roadways. The overall
density for Dayton Township is approximately 16 units per square mile--or
about 40 to 50 people per square mile on the average. The northern half of
the Township (north of 24th Street) averages only 10 units per square mile
in density.
No significant conflicts in land usage are noticeable at this time. A primary
area of future potential discord, however, is the mixed use corridor along
M-82 west of Fremont. It could be anticipated though, that Fremont will continue to serve as an attractor for both residential and non-residential
growth--and that the interface between the City and Township will be impacted
by such expansion.

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�TABLE 6 ·
EXISTING LAND USE
DAYTON TOWNSHIP - 1980
,: Developed
Acres

% Total
Acres

572

40.9%

2.6%

363
.181
28

25.9%
12.9%
2.0,:

1.7%
. 0.8%

124 .

8. 9%

0.6%

123
1

8.8%
0.1%

0.6%
0.01,:

54

3.8%

O.J,:

16
38

1.1%
2.7%

o.a

650

46.'4%

3.0r.

65D

46.4%

J.o,:

1,400

100.0%

6.5,:

Acres

Lanq Use
Res jdcnt i al
~jnole Family
F~nn Residence
Mobile Homes
Pub 11 c[' Semi-Pub lie
I

Py~l1c
SQllli-Public

a.a

•'

Comrnarci al£ Industrial
Cpmmerci al
lndustr1 al
Transeortat1on
Road R.o.w. (02.4 mi.)
TOTAL DEVELOPED LAND
A!Jrf cul ture[Undevel oeed
Agricultural/Undeveloped
Woodlots
Open Wc1ter
Recreat fonal
TOTAL UNDEVELOPED LAND
TOTAL ACRES

0.2%

20,577

93 . 6%

18,535
. 1,767
133
142

84.3%
. 0.6%
0.7,:

· 20,577

93.6%

21,977 ·

a.a,:

·100.0%

Source: Dayton Township Planning Conmfss1on

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,

.,

DAYTON

·· +I-~~

TOWNSHIP

-" •!!.'

.,

Newaygo County,
Mlchig.n

I

I·

1:t.:__
. ,

.,
Slngle Family Residence
,

Farm Residence

Mobile Home

,
E

c Commercial
,

Industrial/Manufacturing

,

Public Use

o

Quasi-Public Use

~ Recreational Use

D

Agricultural and
Undeveloped

Existing Land Use

FIG.5
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�NATURAL ELEMENTS
The traditional approach to land use planning begins with a projection of
future population or economic growth in a community based on perceived local
or regional trends. These projections are then translated into future land
demand for various types of development. The basic assumption of this approach has been that growth will bring positive benefits to the community and
that such growth can best be promoted by encouraging land use patterns that
minimize development costs and maximize accessibility.
In ·many past instances, planning has ignored the importance of natural systems. · Priorities were set, programs initiated and facilities built with little or no concern for impacts on the physical landscape. Scenic natural amenities and rich fannland, long defined as key ingredients to the American quality of life, have rapidly disappeared primarily through haphaz~rd suburban
sprawl or improper uses of rural lands.
11
We have but one explicit model of the world and that is built on
economics. The present face of the land of the free is its clearest testimony, even as the Gross National Product is the proof of
its success. Money is our measure, convenience is cohort, the
short term is its span and the. devi 1 may take the hindmost is the
morality. 11
(Ian McHarg, 1969.)
Philosophies are changing - growth projections are no longer considered as
vital preconditions of a desirable future for any community.
To be truly comprehensive, land use planning must be more than the mere accommodation of projected growth in such a fashion as to be compatible. If
planning is to be rational it must decide how much as well as where growth
ought to occur - being sensitive to the physical capability of the land to
accept various fonns of development. The constraints placed upon development
by the environment are very real and should ·become a key for decision making
and land use location judgements.

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�LAND CAPABILITY ANALYSIS
How many people, houses and cars can we put into an area before the natural
quality of the setting is reduced? Could we institute stringent development
controls or build sewage treatment plants in time to alleviate additional
problems? How do we accommodate the trade-offs between growth and environmental or -social costs? These are the type of questions that are addressed
by a process known as a "land capability analys _is, 11 or the identification of
· situations where human activity is likely to adversely impact the natural
environment or where the natural .environment is likely to hann human activity.
These areas of conflicts between human activities and the natural environment
can be grouped into three classes:
Hazard Areas:
A good example of a hazard area is a floodplain. The threat to life and property from flooding is well documented, and even our best efforts to abate
flooding have not prevented a steadily increasing national loss.
By using infonnation available from Federal sources, floodplains can be delineated, and the planner is able to predict where a conflict exists between
the natural environment, and certain land uses.
Other hazard areas include: steep slopes with unstable soil which are prone
• to slippage, and soils with inadequate bearing capacity.
Valuable Resource Areas:
Development often makes use or extraction of a valuable natural resource impossible. Such resources as oil, sand, gravel, and agricultural land become
inaccessible as residential, commercial or industrial uses fill in the area.
When maps delineating natural resource areas are part of the planning process,
the planner can suggest alternatives designed to lessen the impact. For instance, the development might be delayed until the resource is extracted or
growth policies (e.g. sewer and water extensions) could be altered to protect
the resource.

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�Environmentally Fragile, or Unique Areas:
There is an accelerating concern over the loss of irreplaceable natural areas.
While few attempt to quantify the loss, most seem to appreciate that our forests, wetlands, wildlife areas, parks, preserves, etc., contribute significantly to the quality of life. Certain of these areas, due to inherent fragility
or to their one-of-a-kind status, are deserving of special attention
in the planning process. Wetlands, for example, while harboring much flora
and fauna, serve as retention basins for flood waters, help to recharge underground aquifers, and act as a water purifying system. Underground aquifers
represent both a valuable and .fragile resource, subject to contamination by
seepage from waste dumps and the like.
The key then, is to identjfy the fragile, hazardous and unique areas so that
conflicts with human activities can be anticipated •. This is done by overlaying a series of maps, each displaying one variable. Conceptually, one
has a base map and onto that map he overlays maps showing hazard areas, valuable resource areas, and environmentally fragile or unique areas •.
Carrying Capacity Concept
An accessory planning process to that detailed above is the 11 carrying capacity concept. 11 Such a concept defines the ability of both the natural and manmade systems to absorb population growth without significant degradation or
breakdown. Application of this process is based on the following assumptions:
1.

That any area of the community could be developed if the public is willing to make sacrifices in terms of economic or social trade-offs incurred.

2.

That the costs or trade-offs of growth can be identified and then quantified in some manner. The threshold beyond which environmental quality
would decline is normally associated with a population level, which of
course, varies depending upon the resource involved.

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�3.

That ·the ability of a given resource to absorb growth or development can
be altered by human action. Obviously, sanitary se\-1age systems and
water treatment plants are examples of human intervention to improve environmental quality.

4.

That those areas necessitating the least number of trade-offs be given
the highest priority for development. The limit of capacity for a given
area or resource still remains as a judgmental ·act. Although, based on
scientific and engineering principles, a choice is still required to
dra\-1 the line between the 11 acceptable 11 and 11 unacceptable 11 areas.

To date, the carrying capacity concept of land planning has been implemented
in various ways. The least effective, yet perhaps most widely used, places
the developer in an adversary role and the community attempts 11 ann twisting 11
to get him to recognize natural constraints. Second, are those development
controls such as a Planned Unit Development ordinance that encourage consideration of significant resources and the protection of sensitive features
(also floodplain ordinances, etc.). A third possible route is to develop an
environmentally oriented land use plan - utilizing accepted standards for various resource items. Finally, is what has been tenned 11 zoni ng by pOcket calcul ator11, in which detailed quantifiable standards are developed, prescribing
development intensity or density ·levels per environmental element or setting.
(Perhaps in an optimum situation, actual dollar costs could be assigned to
the various categories, indicating development costs per resource area).
The intent of both the land capability analysis and the carrying capacity
concept as applied to Dayton Township, is to provide a framework for decision-making. Certainly there may come, as implementation techniques through
zoning, some modification of the processes mentioned above. However, the
primary thrust is to provide a set of tools for the Planning Commis.sion and
Township Board to use in reviewing and guiding development. Not so much a
11 no you cannot bui 1d there 11 but rather a "the 1imitations or costs to building there are significant 11 •

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�NATURAL ELEMENTS MAPPING
The environmental data illustrated on the maps in this section has been obtained from U.S. Soil Conservation District ·maps, U.S. Geological Survey topographic maps, aerial photography and infrared photography obtained from the
Michigan Department of Natural Resources, and resource mapping compiled by
the West Michigan Regional Planning Commission.
At a minimum, it appeared there are certain sensitive areas in the Township
which, if developed will have the highest social or economic costs, as mentioned. above. Once mapped, the options for utilization of those lands falling out of a given category, become more evident. These so-called 11 eco-determinants11 include:
1.

Lands with slopes in excess ·of 12% may suffer soil erosion if disturbed.

2.

Wetlands aid in the recharge of groundwaters, serve as natural filters
for waterborne pollutants, and are often wildlife habitat areas.

3.

Woodlands provide surf~ce drainage control and aesthetic features.

4.

Lands with poorly drained soils are not conducive to development, either
without sewers or structural compensation.

5.

Lands with high agricultural capability or active agricultural lands
may be of significant importance to the local economy or for food production and, as such, should be reserved for agricultural use as much
as possible.

6.

Floodplain is unsuitable for intensive development as structures or
personal property may be subject to drainage or loss.

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�11111111

Slope Analysis
While many natural elements .by themselves are not inhibitive to development,
the factor of steep slopes may be the most sensitive to land disturbance and
construction.
While the vast majority of the land surface in Dayton Township is quite level
to rolling {less than 9% slope) there are localized areas with ·moderate or
moderate to severe slopes (see Figure 6). Those areas of the Township with
significant slopes are oriented in a northeast-southwest direction, probably
due to glacial activity. Certainly these areas afford a definite potential
for pleasant residential sites, especially in terms of vistas and views. Our
planning must be responsive to the potential problems associated with the more
severe slopes, such as slumping or erosion and land uses or intensities of use
assigned accordingly.
Wetlands
Wetlands (commonly known as swamps or marshes) are poorly drained areas that
display periodic fluctuations in water level, from persistent standing water
in spring to nearly dry in late summer (with attendent changes in vegetative
cover and composition). In most instances wetlands have surface or sub-surface soil characteristics which provide for the replenishment of the groundwater supply. Wetlands also prevent flooding of roads or properties during
periods of excessive rain or snow-melt by their capacity for water storage.
They provide habitat and cover for wildlife species and may serve as a nat.ural
filter for waterborne pollutants.
Traditionally, it has not been difficult to deter development, especially residential, from locating in wetlands, as filling and drainage can be quite
costly. However, as prime lands become unavailable, or pressures for economic returns on marginal lands become greater, sites including or perhaps
bordering wetlands become more attractive. The total disruption or depletion
of all wetland areas would not be in the best interests of the Township as a
whole. In more localized situations, wetlands play an even more significant
role, warranting our attention and concern. Excepting those that fonn the
fringe areas around certain lakes, wetlands are scattered throughout Dayton
Township with really no pattern to their existence (see Figure 7).

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�Forest Cover {Woodlands)
Forest cover in this section· of the state was mapped and classified by the
West Michigan Regional Planning Commission, utilizing infrared photography.
The extent, type and.stand size of those woodlots in Dayton Township is reflected on Figure 8.
The largest wooded areas in Dayton Township are situated along streams or
drains on the interior of sections, or in wetlands. Wooded areas absorb surfac~ water runoff faster than any other land type. They. also function as
windbreaks and simply, yet necessarily, as visual/aesthetic elements of the
community. As such, they should -be carefully managed to preserve their natural and social value.
Forests in Dayton Township reflect the impact of logging to this area of the
state with the dominance of second-growth species, especially aspen. In
mapped form the woodlots show the cultural impact, especially of agricultural
practices which have further defined · the edge of these areas and, over a period of time, reduced their extent.
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Soil Limitations:

Residential

Figure 9 depicts the respective limitations of all lands in Dayton Township
for development without public sanitary sewers. Wastewater treatment and disposal would, therefore, need to be accomplished on-site with tile fields and
septic tanks. The map was developed from recent Soil Conservation Service
soil maps of Dayton Township, with limitation capabilities derived from soil
management group classifications developed by soil specialists at Michigan ·
State University (Soil Mana ement Units and Land Use Plannin , Mokma, Whiteside and Schneider, M.s.u., 1974. The characteristics of the mana~ement of
groups vary, depending upon the traits of the individual soil series and the
slope of the lands.
Lands were ranked into one of five classifications, ranging from slight to
very severe limitations to development. Most of Dayton Tmmship is within
the slight to moderate range implying ·minimal constraints. The areas of
severe to very severe limitations correspond to wetland areas or streams/
drainage-ways, which might appear to indicate the extent of alluvial soils
(unconsolidated mix of sand, silt and clay), perhaps carried by glacial melt
water.

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�For purposes of consistent, long-range planning, certain areas of Dayton Township were analyzed as to their soil capability for development support, should
sanitary sewerage be provided, thereby eliminating the need for on~site disposal.· Realistically, one must consider the current costs of providing such
a service, any identified need and certainly potential jurisdictional issues.
However, this effort was intended as a means of determining if soil limitations would change·significantly should some form of public sewer ever be extended into the southern half of Dayton Township--be it from the City of
Fremont or some other system. Figure 10 does indicate that a sewer system
would have minimal impact on the development restraints of this area.
Soil Limitations:

Agricultural

Utilizing the soil management groups discussed above, the soil types in Dayton
Township were classified as to their potential for agricultural use--based, ·
for the most part, on individual soil .characteris~ics (water table, soil content, etc.) as well as topography. Figure 11 provides an initial tool in delineating the best agricultural lands in the Township permitting policy decisions as to the use of this resource.
The extent of active agricultural areas indicates slight to moderate limitations for farming practices exhibited by most of the soil types in Dayton
Township. Areas of constraints are generally limited to drainage-ways (alluvial soils perhaps) and ridge lines or steep slopes.
Active Agriculturat Lands
Recent (1978) infrared photography was applied to define the extent of active
agricultural lands in the Township. Figure 12 illustrates the location of
orchard and specialty crop areas--particularly orchards which are quite common in the area--and other lands used for row cropping, hay or pasture, or
other farming. Certain portions of the areas represented may have been fallow
at the time of the inventory, yet the evidence of recent farming activity was
perceptible.
The most significant element represented by such mapping is the substantial
extent of agricultural activities on the land surface of Dayton Township. As
mentioned previously in the land use inventory, agricultural and undeveloped
areas encompass 94% of the Township.

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�LAND CAPABILITY MAP
Upon completion of the various base maps (Figures 5-12) they were utilized in
an overlay fashion, thereby compounding the limitations of various elements
for individual areas. A sketch "land capability map" resulted. Lacking the
detailed infonnation necessary to assign potential development costs per acre
per capability or.other ·more sophisticated approaches entailing detailed
studies, a simplistic technique was employed. This was based on the assumption that each identified natural element (eco-determinant) carried equal
w~ight, as follows.
Resource
Wetlands
Steep Slope Areas
Forest
Severe Soils
Prime Agricultural Soils
Active Agricultural Soils

Open Space Ratio
1.0
-1.0

1.0
1.0

1.0
1.0

Open Space Component= Minimum acreage of open (undeveloped) space per developed
lot by multiplying acreage of resource x Open Space Ratio.
The "land capability map" was then juxtaposed with existing land use patterns
indicating areas of growth movement. The supporting rationale is that areas
with more limitations need more land area to adequately support development
(structure) plus, more importantly, on-site wastewater treatment and a safe,
_drinkable water supply. The planning proposals developed from this system
are elaborated on in the Summary of the Master Land Use Plan.
"The community planner's diagrams will begin with a layout of land
uses fitted to the topography. The traffic ways of various types
will be traced along gently rising and falling grades not only to
provide desirable access and views, but also to ensure gravity flow
of the · stonn water mains and sewers within the rights-of-way. The
best of the natural cover will be preserved, the best of the landscape features conserved, as the planner seeks in all ways to develop systems of harmony."
(Simonds, 1978).

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DAYTON
TOWNSHIP

Newaygo County,
Michigan

DEGREE OF SLOPE

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TOWNSHIP

Newaygo Cou~ty,

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TOWNSHIP

Newaygo County,
Michigan

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TOWNSHIP

Newaygo County,
Michigan

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TOWNSHIP

Newaygo County,
Michigan

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�·-iThe Pion. Goals &amp; Actions

�· POLICY
Any successful public program requires some form of agreement as to the direction that program should take. Such an agreement is arrived at through
the determination of objectives and implementing actions. The community can
be best served if that determination is established under the joint guidance
of community leaders and the · general public.
The Master Land Use Plan for Dayton Township provides direction for the
future of the community in two forms. It expresses graphically (in map form)
proposed land use arrangements within the Township and in written form, the
concerns, standards and desired implementing actions as seen by the residents
of the community. This written portion of the Master Plan takes the form of
a planning policy.
DEFINITION
A 11 policy 11 is a statement of position prepared by a public body. It should
be based on a community-wide consensus of goals and provide specific expression of those goals and the desired means of implementing them. As such, it
provides a basis for-decision-making and enables the community to approach
specific problems within the framework of a total plan.
Policy - A statement or document of a public body that forms
~he basis for enacting legislation or making decisions. 11
(American Planning Association, 1976).
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COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION
Community participation in the formulation of policy is important due to the
sensitivity surrounding such issues as personal land usage and property rights
and values. Community-wide consensus as to both planning tools and development policies is vital -to the preparation of realistic plans for future
growth. The coordination of individual concerns of a social or economic
nature with the long-tenn goals of the community can provide a livable seting with the opportunity for alternative and satisfying lifestyles. And ·this,
after all, is the underlying motive for land use planning.

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�POLitY AND LAND USE
A planning policy makes a general . statement of intent for the community and
thereby establishes parameters within which decisions can be made. At this
level, the policy is a framework for realistic land use management systems
and is not static, but sensitive to changing conditions. The policy then
establishes the means by which such general intentions may be implemented,
speaking more to the point of the decision-making process, but without addressing specific problems.
POLICY AND THE FUTURE
Change is an inevitable process. It has made Dayton Township what it is now
and, barring unforeseen major regional shifts in growth, land use, personal
mobility and the like, the current trends will continue to effect the rural
communities of the State of Michigan.
With its substantial vacant lands, quality residential areas, active farms,
streams and lake shorelines and its general rural atmosphere, Dayton Township
has a potential for growth. Such growth is likely to take the form of re-·
sidential development occurring along major roadways in the community, in
woodlots, on presently productive agricultural lands and, in som~ instances,
on parcels having less than desirable natural characteristics. By establishing realistic and concise policies regarding such issues and areas, Dayton .
Township can meet any challenge that change brings in a definitive rather than
a reactioDary posture.
The advantages of establishing a planning policy include:
ADVANTAGES OF POLICY
1.

Public Understanding and Participation: The straightforward character
of the planning policy aids public understanding of the planning process.
With this understQnding, people are more able to participate in the discussion and decision-making process, and public confidence in local
government is enhanced.

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�2.

Consistency: Clearly stated policies covering all concerns of
comprehensive planning_can do much to minimize the possibility
of arbitrary decision-making.

3. · Efficiency: When a
reappearing nature,
of time spent· on an
quality of planning

community is confronted with problems of a
clearly stated . policies may reduce the amount
individual proposal without lowering the
recommendations.

4 • . Coordination: Planning policies create a single framework within
which all elements of government may act in concert on development
proposals.
5.

Stability: Planning policies, by their general nature, provide
an element of stability as specific zoning or planning proposals
are modified over time.

6.

Guide to Decision-Making and Review: A policy is helpful as a
guide in adopting land use controls, and to the courts in judging
the fairness of specific controls in the context of an overall
goal structure for community planning.

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�GENERAL POLICY STATEMENT
DAYTON TOWNSHIP GENERAL GOALS
GOALS:
1.

To guide the future of the Township in such a fashion so as to preserve
and enhance its desirable qualities, improving the quality of life for
present and future residents, thereby keeping· the community a safe and
attractive place in which to live, work and play.

2.

Maximize the optimum and economical use of land.

3.

Promote community identity and civic pride.

4.

Provide a decent, helpful, safe and pleasant (home) environment.

5.

Conduct land use planning and zoning activities with consideration given
to the land uses or plans for properties in adjoining communities, as
well as the Newaygo County Land Use Plan.

IMPLEMENTING ACTIONS
1.

Promote the continued health, safety and general welfare of both present
and future residents of Dayton Township.

2.

Encourage the type of community that promotes numerous opportunities for
personal ~hoice and a range of opportunities.

3.

Maintain and enhance those positive attributes of the Township's environment that have attracted residents into the area.

4.

Improve those undesirable elements which may be detrime~tal to ·the
health, safety or. convenience of Township residents.

5.

In order to maintain the low intensity, open space, low stress lifestyle
sought by current Township residents, Dayton Township will strive to
manage future growth and development in such a fa?hion so as to efficiently utilize existing land and its limited fiscal resources.

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�DAYTON TOWNSHIP MASTER LAND USE PLAN
GOALS:
To formulate a land use plan that is flexible, reasonable and adequate to
meet the needs and desires of Township residents; one that allows for the
proper conservatioh or use of all resources including a determination of the
probable future need for lands, their most advantageous designations and potentials, and for services, facilities and utilities required to equip such
land.

IMPLEMENTING ACTIONS:
1.

2.

Dayton Township will adopt a Master Land Use Plan (text and map) indicating areas into which specific land uses should be directed. The
Plan will:
a.

classify and allocate land for agricultural, residential,
commercial, industrial, recreational, public, forest and
other uses;

b.

establish the general location, character and extent of
streets, roads, highways, railroads, bridges, water-related developments, drainage-ways, sewer and water systems
and the like; and

c.

recommend the general character, extent and layout for
any public grounds, open spaces, parks, buildings or
other facilities.

The Master Land Use Plan will be used by the Planning Commission and
Township Board to guide their decisions on matters of gro~rth, development
and land usage.

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�3.

The Dayton Township Zoning Ordinance will be reviewed and revised in
light of an adopted Master Land Use Plan to reflect the proposals contained in the Plan and to enforce its land use policies by means of
local .ordinances.

4.

The Community Attitude Survey has shown that the residents of Dayton
Township are· well satisfied with the present quality of life in the
Township. They are, however, concerned about what the future holds for
their community and want to make improvements where possible. This
positive community attitude is a resource that will continue to be en.cou raged and ut i1 i zed.

5.

Members of the Planning Commission and Township Board will be encouraged
to support legislation, on the federal and, especially, the state level,
that will enhance the possibilities for a general Township law to implement a land use plan; including the balancing of concerns over the natural environment with local needs and desires.

LAND USE MANAGEMENT .
GOALS:
To provide for a system of residential and non-residential land uses coordinated to meet present and future needs efficiently and practically, both in
an environmental and economical sense, without adversely affecting the quality of living in Dayton Township.
IMPLEMENTING ACTIONS:
1.

Encourage orderly, planned growth and development that establ .i shes a
unifying, yet distinctive character to sub-areas of the community. Such
growth would separate and, in a sense, protect both residential and nonresidential development as well as agricultural and open space uses.

2.

Growth should be regulated as to its rate and intensity in specific
districts, consistent with pre-determined desired characteristics.

3.

Unmanaged sprawl and 11 leapfrog 11 development indicate an unplanned, inefficient approach to land use, and should be prevented.

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�4.

Discourage random "spot zonings" of higher intensity residential or nonresidential uses; thereby promoting cohesive zoning districts and a
wider application of "special land use" provisions, through zoning, to
accommodate specified situations.

5.

Growth should be managed to the extent that it is a function of overall
carrying capacity, not only of the physical {land) resource, but also
including elements as public costs and the provision of public roads,
services and utilities.

6.

New development should be orderly, to reduce the energy inefficiencies
of discontinuous development patterns.

AGRICULTURAL/ENVIRONMENTAL/OPEN .SPACE RESOURCES
GOALS:
To use all legitimate supporting techniques possible to preserve and protect
agricultural and open space elements in Dayton Township; both to maintain them
as functional use areas and to retain the predominantly rural atmosphere of
the area due to its contribution to the l9cal quality of life.
IMPLEMENTING ACTIONS:
1.

Preserve for agricultural use those lands in Dayton Township that are
best suited for agricultural use and of the highest productivity.

2.

Discourage the development of non-agricultural uses on designated agri~
cultural soils. Such development impairs efficient agricultural practices, removes forever the best agricultural fields from production and
could result in future conflicts between rural homeowners and farmers.

3.

Discourage the extension into designated agricultural areas, of utilities
or other public improvements that are not compatible with an agricultural
use district or that would otherwise jeopardize the integrity of these
districts.

4.

Provide, through zoning, a means of maintaining low population densities
in all agricultural areas, as well as on environmentally sensitive lands,
to reduce the potential for rapid encroachment on such properties by
less desirable land uses.

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�5.

Identify vacant lands (agricultural or other) that could be best utilized as transitional or holding districts; which by virtue of their
relationship to development corridors or adjoining parcels currently experiencing growth could provide the needed options for accommodating,
yet implementing the other basic policies of this plan.
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6.

Support that portion of the local economic/employment base consisting of
farming and specialty agriculture enterprises by encouraging and conserving such uses. The cash inflow to local ag-oriented services, as well
as general retail enterprises from family farms in Dayton Township, is
felt to be significant. Without ·this local support, businesses in the
area may find themselves -missing an important consumer.

7.

Protect open space or environmental resources, especially agricultural
lands, which usually provide far greater returns to the community in
taxes (per/acre) vs. services required than they would if developed.
Protecting such areas where feasible, encourages judicious fiscal spending for public services.

8.

Marshy areas and wetlands provide important resource functions. Dayton
Township has identified wetland areas in the community, as a function of
this planning process, and will protect these resources to the greatest
extent possible from any significant disturbance, draining or filling.

9.

Development along drainage-ways and lake shoreline fringe will be carefully regulated in order to protect unwary land purchasers as well as
the general public from development practices which may cause pollution.

10.

Among the resource features identified as part of this plannin.g program,
include .all woodlot areas in Dayton Township. Current practices, especially the cutting of trees for fuel, are causing a diminution of these
woodlots. Instead of clear cutting activities in which all existing
trees in a given area are removed, the Township encourages proper management of woodlots so that they will support future usage by future
generations of residents.
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�RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT
GOALS:
To encourage variety in residential development so that all segments of the
population may be housed in a safe, functional, aesthetically pleasing fashion; and to plan residential districts as defined areas of compatible style
and . density ·with appropriate support facilities to maintain a stable, lowstress lifestyle.
IMPLEMENTING ACTIONS:
1.

Encourage a balanced and expanded range of housing types to accommodate
a range of income and age groups, household sizes, location and style
preference.

2.

Encourage residential development that reflects the predominant character of existing development and land capabilities.

3.

Regulate "group housing" (mobile home parks, multi-family units or single-family subdivisions) so that it will blend well with the character
of a give~ locale, or the low-intensity character of the community.

4.

Encourage rural sub di visions, rather than 11 scattered 11 or especially
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strip 11 single-family development. Rural subdivisions provide a unified,
economical approach to single-family growth; however, they should be
located -adjacent to existing areas of similar development or in designated growth 11 corridors 11 or II sectors".

5.

Encourage the adoption of subdivision regulations to guide th~ quality
of new residential development in Dayton Tow.nshi p.

6.

Discourage extensive 11 strip 11 residential development along roadways in
the Township. Such development is an inefficient use of land, committing the future use of road frontage, often in narrow, deep lots, and
inhibiting access to interior portions of larger acreages.

7.

Adopt reg'ulations limiting to a single unit, the number of residences
that can be serviced by a private drive or roadway.

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�8.

The housing needs of retired, elderly and low-income families or individuals will be considered and reflected in future development decisions.
Dayton Township, however, does recognize the needs of such individuals
for shopping, health care, employment, etc., or the possible lack of
mobility, makes the adjoining City of Fremont a more suitable location
for such housing.

9.

Encourage diversified housing types to enable all citizens an equal
opportunity within their financial means to secure housing of their
choice.

10.

Protect residential areas from activities that produce excessive noise,
dirt, odors or traffic.

NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT
GOALS:
To provide guidelines for commercial, industrial, office or other types of
non-residential land use with the aim of meeting the.needs of the Township
residents, preserving a pleasing environment, and preventing conflicts between non-residential areas and surrounding land uses.
IMPLEMENTING ACTIONS:
1.

. 2.

3.

Discourage "spot zoning 11 of non-residential uses •
Realize that the availability of 11 comparison 11 or 11 regional 11 shopping
opportunities in nearby Fremont, or in the larger metropolitan_ areas of
Grand Rapids or Muskegon, a short drive away, serve the needs of Township residents and, for the most part, precludes the necessity for such
retail facilities in Dayton Township.
Encourage the development of limited commercial ventures in carefully
controlled
locations. Commercial services provided would be of the
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nei ghborhood ·service 11 or "convenience" seal e. Such facilities should
be located adjacent to areas of existing or projected residential growth.

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�4.

While industrial or·commercial development could impact in a positive
fashion the tax base of Dayton Township, there are certain costs attendant with such facilities. It is the concern of local decisionmakers that any extensive non-residential development would be incompatible with the present character of the Township. Such uses may be
more appropriately accommodated in areas where necessary support elements (sewer,· water, rail, "Class A" roads, etc.) exist, rather than in
a rural, lightly settled community. Industrial facilities, specifically,
while they will not be encouraged, will not necessarily be prohibited.
Industry would be more appropriately accommodated in' other areas of
Newaygo County, where planning efforts have been directed towards attracting an industrial base.

PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES
GOALS:
To encourage public services and facilities in the most efficient manner
possible to meet existing and future needs of Township residents. Also, to
maintain the present quality of the roadway network in the Township and encourage provision of an integrated transportation system moving people and
goods within and through the community in a safe and pleasant manner.
IMPLEMENTATION ACTIONS:
1.

In accordance with the provisions established in P.A. 168 of 1959
(as amended) the Dayton Township Planning Commission desires to review and comment on the general location, character and extent of
newly proposed roadways or roadway extensions, occurring in the
Township.
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2.

Recognize that public iervices and facilities should be sensitive to
the needs of Township residents and therefore be expanded or revised
when necessary to more effectively serve local residents.

3.

Where possible, public services should be coordinated on a cooperative
basis between Dayton Township and adjacent units of government.

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�The Plan_Standards &amp; Mop

�THE PLAN - STANDARDS AND MAP
STANDARDS
The Master Land Use Plan for Dayton Township is based upon a thoughtful analysis of community characteristics and constraints, as well as a careful study
of perceived community needs, problems and potential. These expressions are
described in desired policies for future direction. A remaining element in
the establishment of the Plan is that of determining the range of minimum
standards for a variety of issues· that are applicable to the future of Dayton
Township.
Planning standards are not intended to be expressed as inflexible rules, but
rather are intended to reflect an average of what has occurred in other communities in similar circumstances, or more importantly, what has been developed as guidelines specifically for Dayton Township. Standards experienced
through a monitoring of other communities may provide decision-making parameters, especially in the realm of community facilities. Yet, the representation of local standards entails the needs, preferences and unique characteristics of our community. The standards· contained herein are considered appropriate "to promote public health, safety and general welfare to encourage
the use of resources in accordance with their character and adaptability; to
avoid the overcrowding of land by buildings or people; to lessen congestion
on public roads and streets; (and) to facilitate provision . for a system of
transportation, sewage disposal, safe and adequate water supply, recreation
and other public improvements." (P.A. 108 as amended).
ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS
To repeat our prior premise, for the use of land to be rational, whatever
that use might be, it must begin with a study of the land and its natural opportunities or constraints.
"Farmers will fit their orchards and fields to the land confonnation
and to the soil types and depths. Their furrows will be plowed along
the contours so that water and rain will be retained to seep into the
ground. Their buildings will be protected from the stonns yet lifted
·above the frost pockets, and out of the dews and damps. Their homes
will receive the summer breezes, but not after these breezes have
played across the barn yard coops and pens. Barn and hayloft will
be kept 'crosswind' and out of the path of flying sparks from the
chimneys."
(Simonds, 1973).
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�7
Through this Plan we are, in reality, proposing no more than that expressed
above--an enlightened approach to land use, and a process whereby local officials might review and guide land use proposals--not always in a negative
mode but rather one of appreciating the limitations or social costs that
exist.
COMMUNITY FACILITIES STANDARDS
Community facilities are considered to be those public land -uses either O\'med
by . the public or operated by private enterprises in the public interest. The
term ~ncompasses a wide range of activities, or facilities, including education, health care, recreation, libraries, utilities, cemetaries, and so forth.
Churches, private recreation uses or service/club organizations, although defined in the broader category of public and semi-public land uses are not
classified as community facilities. Such uses generally have entrance requirements which may preclude their access to the public-at-large.
Community facilities fonn a network of services, meeting the physical, cultural, social or protective needs of the community. Studies have determined
that they weigh heavily in the perceived desirability of a given community
as a place to live, work or play. The response of Dayton Township's residents (Community Attitude Questionnaire) did not vary significantly from
other national or state studies of similar intent. Important factors contributing to community satisfaction included:
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Good schools
Good public services
Recreation opportunities
Safe, quiet neighborhood areas

These factors specifically are related to community facilities--their availability and quality. In addition, community facilities may impact urban
growth patterns. Public utilities especially will determine where more intense uses may locate~ Decisions on open space will detern1ine physical form
by preserving agricultural fields or wetlands.

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�Public land ~ses, unlike private land uses which are built at the expense of
the individual developer, require substantial financial investment on the
part of the community. The financial commitment to .provide fire (and police)
protection, parks, adequate roads, and if necessary, water or sewer is substantial regardless of the land use pattern that evolves in a community.
Studies have documented (The Costs of Sprawl, CEQ 1974) that low density
spra\'ll is by far the most costly to service adequately for any community
size. Part of the purposeful strategy of this Master Land Use Plan for
Dayton Township is one of accommodating future development yet with the minimum public cost.
PUBLIC SCHOOL FACILITIES
We are a society that places substantial emphasis on· formal education.
Public school facilities and educational programs in some manner touch the
lives of all Township residents or tax-paying property owners.
While school authorities will determine educational
local planning officials are in the unique position
Township development trends and current (as well as
terns - to assist in the sel_ection of future school

policies and objectives,
of being knowledgable to
proposed) land use patfacility sites.

Schools have traditionally been regarded as single .purpose facilities for
use by students and faculty. · This concept has changed and schools are being
viewed as potential park and recreation/community centers for use by the
entire community. .
Please see -Appendix D for additional discussion of school planning standards.
Location standards suggest that school facilities should:
1.

Be near the population centers they are to serve.

2.

The immediate environment should be safe, pleasant, reasonably attractive and conducive to learning.

3.

Be easily accessible from improved highways.

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�OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION
The concepts of open space and recreation quite obviously have differing implications to various individuals depending upon age, income, interest, place
of residence and a host of other variables. One of the goals of this plan
is to provide opportunities for satisfying the leisure needs for all segments
of the population~ As we have established, Dayton Township is a community
rich in open space, agricultural lands, rolling topography, small lakes and
scenic vistas. The relationship between these identifiable amenities and
perceived individual -or community needs leaves these elements--open space and
recreation--in a grey area. This is evidenced by the negative reaction in
the community attitude survey towards more active participation by the Township in providing recreational programs or facilities.
Location standards suggest that open space and recreation areas should:
1.

Avoid physical barriers such as heavily traveled roads and railroads.

2.

Use natural areas having certain aesthetic advantages where possible.

3.

Be conveniently located, large and properly designed and constructed.

4.

Be provided in combination with schools or public building, where
possible.

RESIDENTIAL LAND USE STANDARDS
Housing is much more than simple shelter for the basic social unit--the family--but rather its location and general appearance has significant influence
on neighborhood or community environment and the overall quality of human
life. Because of these far reaching implications as well as the fact that,
as a land use, residential development will be the dominant item for Dayton
Township, the quality of development and environmental situation is of primary importance for p~anning and governmental decision-making.
Based upon the population and housing projections as fonnulated in previous
sections of this document, it is possible to plan for the number of new residential living units which can be expected by the year 2010. As is indicated in Table D-3 (Appendix D) Dayton Township can expect the construction of
approximately 233 residential units to house the anticipated increase in population. It is recommended that Table D-3 be utilized as a guideline for directing anticipated residential growth.
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�Location standards suggest that residential areas should:
1.

Avoid areas with environmental limitations to residential development.

2.

Be convenient to -work and leisure activities.

3.

Be protected-from traffic and incompatible land uses.

4.

Be economical -to develop.

5.

Be developed within a range of residential densities to accommodate a
variety of lifestyles.

COMMERCIAL LAND USE STANDARDS
In projecting potential demands for commercial land use we must first identify
the type of shopping facilities most likely to develop within Dayton Township.
The most common fonn of retail activity · is the neighborhood shopping center
which provides convenience items and personal services--hardware stores, gas
. stations and -laundromats are typical establishments. The secondary level is
that of the community shopping center which has all or most of the convenience functions, but most importantly, providing an expanded selection and
particularly durable goods such as large appliances. The third modern retail• ing level is the regional shopping center with its major department stores .
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and further expanded selection. It must be recognized that Dayton Township's
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close proximity to the metropolitan centers of Grand Rapids and Muskegon, as
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well as the smaller urban center of Fremont provides a multitude of shopping
. alternatives within a reasonable distance, to meet the bulk of local shopping
needs. It is unlikely, therefore, that any regional commercial development
will occur within the Township. Furthennore, any expansion or redevelopment
of the commercial core within Fremont will also affect the demand for development of retail services in outlying townships.
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Planning for commercial uses should insure compatibility with land uses existing in the locale surrounding their proposed locations. Appropriate measures should be developed within the zoning ordinance to protect both the economic and aesthetic values of single-family and agricultural properties.

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�Location standards suggest that commercial uses should:
1

Adjoin heavy traffic flows.

2.

Be clustered near each other, in convenient proximity to the client
they are intended to serve.

3.

Have sites of adequate size for shops, off-street parking, loading
and landscaping.

4.

Recognize existing land use patterns to avoid incompatible situations.

INDUSTRIAL LAND USE STANDARDS
As with commercial development, it must be recognized that the population to
be served must be considered in terms of accessibili.ty to the employment center. Therefore, the area of influence for an industrial employer would exceed the boundaries of Dayton Township. Further, it must be acknowledged
that competing employment centers in the region, particularly Gerber s in
Fremont, as well as other industries in the Muskegon area, will attract portions of the total available labor market.
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Location standards suggest that industrial areas should:
1.

Be located so as to minimize any possible adverse effects of the industrial use in regard· to adjacent non-industrial uses.

2.

Have convenient access to transportation systems, especially highways
and railroads.

3.

Have adequate land with sufficient reserve for future expansion.

4.

Have adequate utilities; water, sanitary sewer (if available), waste
disposal, and power.

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�MASTER LAND USE PLAN MAP
The text and accompanying diagrams in this Plan have set forth the planning
constraints and potentials of Dayton Township. The Plan has explored community needs and preferences and examined e1ements ranging from local population base to soil capabilities. Finally it has set standards for development
which will provide fonn to the goals and proposed actions of the Plan.
With the above comments as introduction, specific development features are
portrayed in map fonn on Figure 13 that follows. The Plan Map (Figure 13)
is the ultimate summation of the data, goals and standards contained herein
and, of course, the singular item of primary interest to the readers of this
report. The summary that follows will be of assistance to those interested
in the total Plan concept, as well as the rationale applied to specific areas
or used to relate a given segment of the Plan to other segments.
SUMMARY OF THE MASTER LAND USE PLAN
At the heart of the Master Land Use Plan are the actual plan proposals for
future growth and development in Dayton Township. These plan proposals deal
with the following interrelated subject areas:
1.

Natural resources;

2.

Residential development;

3.

Commercial areas;

4.

Industrial areas;

5.

The M-82 corridor;

6.

Public services/facilities, and;

7.

Design and aesthetics.

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�Preceeding the summary comments are several brief, guiding principles which
warrant examination. These include:
1.

The Plan is a flexible tool: It is not meant as a monument cast in
bronze, never to be adjusted or ch~nged. The Master Land Use Plan is a
general guide to be used by Township government to give direction for
the future. · It will be reviewed periodically and altered as conditions
in the community change.
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2• . The Plan is not a zoning map: The Plan reflects future land use arrangements in light of the development that exists, but does not depict a
"new 11 zoning district map. In that the Plan and zoning map are to be
in reasonable harmony, it is likely that future zoning districts will
take the shape of the Plan.
3.

The Plan is ·adequate: The land use allocations reflected on the Plan
Map are based upon existing development patterns, as well as the best
available projections of land use needs based upon presently accepted
planning standards. The Plan Map realistically contains sufficient land
area to meet anticipated needs and demands for every residential and nonresidential use.

Natural Resources
1.

There are substantial areas in the Township containing soils not suitable for septic field~ or similar methods of on-site disposal. These
occur in an area bounded by 24th Street, •Fitzgerald Avenue and 40th
Street; and another situated between 24th and 8th streets east of Green
Avenue. Residential densities assigned to all portions of the Township
reflect localized soil cap~bilities.
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2.

The elements of slope and natural terrain have a very limited impact on
the Towriship as a whole. The only concentration of steep slopes occur
north of 8th Street and east of Bricker Avenue and in a northwest orientation in the Martin Lake area.

3.

Topography plays a most important role in determining where utilities
such_as sanitary sewer and water can be extended in an economically feasible fashion. It would app~ar that the natural drainage basins surrounding the City of Fremont would permit gravity flow of both sewer and
water, should they ever be extended into Dayton Township.

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�4.

Wooded areas are limited in their number and extent 1n the Township.
Most remaining woodlots are found along drainage-ways or at the interior
of sections.

5.

There are very few areas in Dayton Township that, due to slope, drainage
or soil composition, rate as being undesirable for agricultural purposes.
This is not to say that agricultural production in the Township is high,
but such a factor is consi~tent with the prevailing rural-agricultural
character.

Residential Development
1.

Utilizing the total projected population for Dayton Tocluding anticipated household size and housing type preference, it was determined that
the total housing stock in the Township may increase by over 200 units
in the next thirty years.

2.

The Master Land Use Plan anticipates a variety of housing types and densities.
a.

Residential 1: It is this area into which the bulk of residential
growth will be directed, as the present residential density is
highest there, public services could realistically be provided if
necessary and such an approach provides a logical, efficient and
energy conserving approach to future growth.
Higher residential densities (particularly mobile homes and multifamily units) could be accommodated within specified sub-areas within this district. Also, lot size requirements would be comparable
to those existing under current zoning requirements (15,000 to
18,000 square feet).

b.

Agricultural 3: This is the transitional fringe, currently containing many farms, however, due to terrain, roadway access and
close proximity to Fremont, it could be very desirable for 11 suburban11 residential growth. Lot area requirements should be adjusted
accordingly, considering the likelihood of solely on-site wastewater disposal. The proposed lot size requirement is a minimum
of one acre.

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�c.

Agricultural 2: This interior portion of the Township is predominantly agricultural, yet it has undergone a limited amount of
rural residential growth. If "hobby farm" or "rural residential
development is to occur it would be best accommodated in this area-rather than disrupting the more dominant agricultural acreages
to the north. Residential lot sizes should be increased over the
. Agricultural 3 districts to conform to the desired rural character.
The proposed lot size requirement is a minimum of two acres.
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d.

Agricultural 1: This portion of Dayton Township includes the vast
northern two-thirds and southwest corner of the community. These
areas have the lowest population or dwelling unit density and have
received the least amount of parcelization (lot splits to smaller
parcels). The dominant character of this area is rural and agricultural. Planning proposals for this region are oriented towards
supporting and protecting active : agricu1tural uses. It is inte~ded
that productive soils, or other limiting features be protected and
that the density of development be kept the lowest of any area of
the Township. The proposed lot size requirement is a minimum of
five acres.

Commercial Areas
1.

Shopping facilities in and immediately adjacent to Fremont serve not
only City residents but also a much larger market area containing most
of the adjoining townships. Planning standards applied to future population levels indicate a moderate amount of new commercial development
in Dayton Township will serve anticipated growth.

2.

For reasons of access, potential availability of sewer and water, and
existing land use mix, the Master Land Use Plan will direct new commercial gro~~h in areas adjacent to existng commercial development.
These areas include portions of the M-82 corridor west of Fremont.
Planning proposats for this corridor include:
In-fill: Promote in-fill non-residential development of vacant parcels
within the corridor.
Mix: Through zoning regulations, accommodate the residential and nonresidential use mix in this sector.

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�Limit: Major non-residential (specifically commercial) growth will be
limited to this area of Dayton Township, as opposed to any "four corners" sort of development in the interior of the community.
Phase: It is proposed that the Commercial 1 areas receive any new
growth in the short-range, with the Commercial 2 ·district serving as a
"holding zone" and continuing in its present mode until the Commercial 1
area is fully developed. The intent ii to avoid premature, leap-frog
commercial growth along M-82.
Industrial Areas.
1.

Recent history has shown that many communities have zoned areas to attract industrial growth - zoning far in excess of what could reasonably
be expected to develop. Industrial facilities will certainly not be
prohibited in ·Dayton Township, however, they will not be encouraged.
Industry would be more appropriately accommodated in other communities
in Newaygo County where efforts have been made to attract such uses.
The non-residential portions of the M-82 corridor would be more suitable
for small-scale industry than other areas of the Township.

The M-82 Corridor
1.

Extensive strip commercial development poses many problems to the community, retail customers and businesses. Dispersed retail development
is inconvenient to customers. Numerous curb cuts cause disruption in
traffic flow and, in turn contribute to traffi'c congestion by reducing
·the roadway capacity. · The Plan realizes that a demand for commercially
zoned property exists and that there is the potential for additional
commercial development in the Township. The Plan accommodates these
considerations by designating blocks of land along the M-82 corridor for
such expansion. A major planning component of this Plan is to guide
commercial uses into these selected areas and maintaining other lands
along M-82 for future residential growth.

2.

Possible suggestions to be resolved in the implementation phase of this
Plan is control over access at sensitive locations along M-82 or even
the need for frontage drives connecting large commercial businesses.
Such actions would encourage a higher standard of safety and general
welfare for all individuals traveling on M-82 within Dayton Tmmship.

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�Public Services/Facilities
1.

The costs of providing sanitary sewer to outlying areas of the Township
would be very high in such low density areas. Therefore, districts of
intensive developme~t are proposed for that sector of the Township with
the greatest likelihood for such service. A similar system of constraints apply to any public water service.

2.

Potential population growth is not at a :level whereby extensive public
expenditures for services or facilities such as parks, roads or schools
will be needed in the immediate future. Dayton Township does, however,
recognize the necessity for prudent expansion of public services or
facilities as needs arise and public funds permit. Further, many issues, such as solid waste, require a regional planning approach--within
which Dayton Township will participate.

Design and Aesthetics
1.

Rational arrangement of land uses to encourage compatibility and discourage conflict will preserve the present quality of life for future
Township residents.

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TOWNSHIP

Newaygo County,
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�IMPLEMENTATION
It is the overriding purpose of this Master Land Use Plan to establish a coordinated Township program for land usage that will best promote general
health, safety, morals, convenience, welfare, economy and efficiency. However, the Plan must be implemented so that Dayton Township will realize the
benefits of its proposals. This Plan will be a successful guide for the future of Dayton Township only if it is continually used in the decision-making
process of citizens, developers and Township officials. The first act of
implementation of this Plan should be its official adoption.
Recognition of the Plan must come from two sources--the Planning Commission
and the Township Board. Michigan Statute states 11 The Planning Commission
shall make and adopt a basic plan as a guide for the development of unincorporated portions of the Township. 11 The Plan has offical status upon its
adoption by the Planning Commission. The Plan should then be forwarded to
the Township Board for their review and adoption, for it is the Board which
has the power to implement the Plan through the passage of ordinances and expenditures of public funds.
Actions to consider in implementing the Plan can be grouped into five general
categories: 1and use controls, financial aids, 1ocal government programs,
intergovernmental cooperation and citizen involvement.
The most effective tool Dayton Township may utilize in guiding future land
use is the Zoning Ordinance. The Ordinance should reflect the growth patterns established in the Master Land Use Plan. The continual updating and
review -0f the Zoning Ordinance is essential. Without good zoning there is
1ittl e protection from new development for Township property owner_s and 1ittl e guidance to developers desiring to build within the Township.
The Township, through its participation in Federal or State grant programs
and its expenditure of funds for public improvements, can encourage certain
types of development in the desired areas of the community. For example,
Federal grant programs provide for the extension of sanitary sewer into portions of the Township.

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�Third, the Township can implement the Plan through local government programs.
One such element is that of the ongoing planning process. It is important
that the Plan be constantly used in making decisions, reevaluated often, and
kept up-to-date by utilizing current information. Another such element is
that of the Capital Improvements Program {C.I.P.). The C.I.P. is simply a
capital budget, normally extending six years into the future. Based upon
data presented in · the Master Land Use Plan, the Township Board may foresee
the need for improvements in certain areas of the Township or can encourage
development through the expenditure of public funds.
The Township must recognize its role in the region and Newaygo County, and
continue to cooperate with other governments conducting programs affecting
Township residents. To this -end, these governments and agencies should be
provided with copies of the Plan and consulted concerning its implementation.
Finally, the Plan will only be successful if Township residents get behind it
and support its goals and suggestions for improved community living conditions. Residents have already helped through their willingness to contribute
their talents on boards and commissions and/or their ideas. Such involvement
should be encouraged in the future. Involving Township residents in community
decision-making requires a commitment of the Planning Commission and the
Township Board. to disseminate information on a regular basis through the news
media and public forums. The public must have the necessary background information to make rational decisions about how they want their community to
develop.

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�Appendices

�APPENDIX A
DEFINITIONS

�APPENDIX A
DEF! NITI ONS
BUFFER ZONE:
A strip of land created to separate and protect one type of land use from another: for example, as a screen of planting or fencing to insulate the surroundings from the noi~e, smoke or visual aspects of an industrial zone or
junkyard.

CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT:
Generally refers to a development pattern in which uses are grouped or clustered rather than spread evenly throughout a parcel as in conventional lotby-lot development.

COMMUNITY FACILITIES:
Public or privately owned facilities used by the public, such as streets,
schools, libraries, parks and playgrounds: also facilities owned and operated by nonprofit private agencies.

COMPATIBILITY:
The characteristics of different uses or activities that permit them to be
located near each other in harmony and without conflict. It is a general but
important concept which forms the basis for segregation of uses in districts.

DENSITY:
The average num~er of ·familes, persons, or housing units per unit of land;
usually density is expressed 11 per acre. 11

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�HIGHEST AND BEST USE:
The use of land in such a way that its development will bring maximum profit
to the owner. It's a theoretical real estate concept that does not take into
account the externalities from such a use of land; thus public regulations
often limit land use to some activity that will provide the owner with less
than maximum profits in order to minimize spillover costs to other properties
and the public at large.

HOLD I NG ZONE: .
Usually a district established in the zoning ordinance on a temporary basis
awaiting applications for rezoning; usually very low density zones.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN:
Zoning should be consistent with public policies arrived at through detailed
study and analysis, i.e., a comprehenisve (land use) plan.

I NT ENS ITY:
The degree to which land is used. While frequently used synonymously with
density, intensity has a broader meaning, referring to leve,-s of concentration or activity.

LANDSCAPING:
Changing, rearranging, or adding to the original vegetation or scenery of a
piece of land to produce an aesthetic effect appropriate for the use to which
the land is put. It may include reshaping the land by moving the earth, as
well as preserving the original vegetation or adding vegetation.

LAND USE CONTROLS:
A term generally referring to the use of police power techniques to control
and guide land use and development; including zoning and subdivision regulations.

A-2

�LEAP FROG DEVELOPMENT:
The development of relatively cheap land on the urban fringe by jumping over
the more expensive land located immediately adjacent to existing development.
This leaves intervening vacant land behind and results in a haphazard shotgun
pattern of development. ·

PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD):
A form of development usually characterized by a unified site design for a
number of housing units, clustering buildings and providing common open space,
density increases and a mix of building types and land uses. It permits the
planning of a project and the calculation of densities over the entire development rather than on an individual lot-by-lot basis.

PLAT:
A map, generally of a subdivision -showing the location, boundaries and ownership of individual properties.

POLICE POWER:
The inherent right of a government to restrict an individuals conduct or his
use of his pro_perty in order to protect the health, safety, welfare and
morals of the community.

SITE PLAN:
A plan, to_scale, showing uses and structures proposed for a parcel of land.

SPOT ZONING:
Zo'ning an isolated piece of property differently from the zoning of the surrounding area, usually for an incompatible use and to favor the owner of the
property. Such zoning has been held to be illegal by the courts on the
grounds that it is unreasonable and capricious. Laymen generally think that
it always is illegal and use t~e term loosely.

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�STRIP ZONING:
A ribbon of development, usually commercial, extending along both sides of a
major street.

TRANSITIONAL USES;
Uses which, by their nature or level and scale of activity, act as a transition or buffer between two .or more incompatible uses.

URBAN FRINGE:
An area at the edge of an urban area usually made up of mixed agricultural
and urban land uses.

ZONING:
A police power measure enacted primarily by general purpose units of government, in which the community is divided into districts or zones within \thich
permitted and special land uses are established as are regulations governing
other development standards. Requirements vary from district to district but
they must be uniform within districts.

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�APPENDIX B
HOUSIHG DATA

�TABLE 1!-1
DAYTON TOWNSHIP
RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION 1974-1979
1978

1979

TYPE OF UNIT

1974

1975

1976

1977

Single Family

13

11

21

14

6

9

5

8

9

1

22

15

10

4

7

Mobile Home
Total New Units

13

11

26

5

11

11

Additfons/
Alterations

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Source: Dayton Township Building Permits
9/80

TABLE 8-2
DAYTON TOWNSHIP
HOUSING CONDITION - 1978
Dayton Township
Total Year-Round Units

635

Standard
Substandard

436
199

Suitable for Rehabilitation

Source:

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Newaygo County Planning Commission and
Intennediate School District - 1978 Survey
9/80

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�APPENDIX C
COMMUNITY ATTITUDE
SURVEY

�P'~C::LIM\NA~, ·
April 28, 1980

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Dear Dayton To1mship P.esident:
With the intent of attending to the future well-being of
Dayton Township and its residents, the To1mshiµ Board and
Planning Coomission have initiated preparation of a Master
Land Use Plan and revisions to the current Dayton To1-mshi p
Zoning Ordinance. We are worldng on these documents 11i th
the assistance of a planning consultant.
The purpose of the attached questionnaire is, first and
foremost, to obtain a better understanding of -your thoughts
and concerns about the future of Dayton Township. As a
resident, property 01-mer or voter in Dayton To1-msh i p, what
type of community do you want for yourself and your children?
We 1.ou 1d 1 i ke to kno1-1 .Pl ease fil 1 out the fa 1101-ii ng survey and return it by Hay
24, 1980. A return address is shown on the back of the
survey. Feel free to leave it ~lith one of the members of
the T01-mship Board or Planning Commission, or place it in
the mail. You may sign your name if you 1-iish. Al I responses
will re~ain c011pletely confidential. Additional co~ies may
be obtained frcx:i Eloise r..unner To1-mship Clerk.
\.le are looking fornard to receiving your comments and input.
Thank you for your help and interest.

Dayton To1-1nship Board
Dayton To1-inshi:, Planning Coomission.

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How long ~ave you lived in Dayton Township?

15.1'5

Years

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If you have moved in the past 5 years, indicate your previous place·

of residence.
\3.GCX,Fremont

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~Other Address/Dayton Twp.

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Do you intend to remain a Township resident in the foreseeable future?
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Land Use Preference Questions
Please check the response which most closely describes your faelings toHard
the fol101iing questions. If you wish to make additional c:.mnents on any 1tcfeel free to do so.
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Do you feel that active agricultural
lands in the Township should be protected
from non-agricultural development?

4.

Would you support land use controls
(particularly -zoning) as a means of
retaining such agr1c~ltural lands?

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you feel that lands abutting the
•• 5. Dostreams
and various lakes in the T01•mship should be protected from intensive
Using the map on the preceding page, please place an "X" indicating
•• qevel opment?
the general
of the To1mship lihere you reside.
•• 6. Would you support land use controls as a
Where does the primary 1iage earner i n your family work?
n~ans of protecting those areas abutting
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\?.0% Muskegon Area
the streams and lakes in Dayton Township?
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certain natural areas such as
•• 7. Should
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s1iamps, wetlands, woodlots, floodplains,
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etc, be conserved or retained through
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zoning? ,
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residential development, with residences
on shallow lots along the road frontage,
Do you live in a:9Z.e,%single family home
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future mobile homes be required
to locate in mobile home parks rather
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on a -scattered basis throughout
particular characteristict;keep you living in Dayton Township?
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the Township?
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facilities in Fremont and
Hesperia to serve the basic needs of
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•• Dayton Township's residents?
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would be convenient to serve the
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Should industrial development be confined to an industrial park?

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by relaxing any zoning requirer.tents for
such uses?

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Other To1mships in Newaygo County have varying residential lot size
require;ients for the developr.1ent of single family residences on rural,
non-subdivision lots. What do you feel should be the minimum lot size
requironent for such development in Dayton To1mship?

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the number of the following types of
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Overall quality of life is good
Devel opmcnt hds rep! aced areas
of natural beauty
The area has generally become
1es s tranquil
Too many people arc moving into
O.:iyton To1inship
Public services have improved·
Road quality Is adequate .
Shopping facil itics arc adequate
ancl convenient
Employment opportunities are
available
Public schools arc providing a
1100d education

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If so, what are they?

20.

If your property taxes had to ·be
ra I sed to pay for these ne11 services,
would you stil 1 favor having these
services?

Yes

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rather do Hi thout in order to pay
10~1er taxes?

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If so, 1"/hat are they?

23.

Is the To1mship level of goverrvnent
best suited to be dealing with your
basic publ"ic service needs?

24.

Should Dayton Township take a more
active role in providing recreational
services to Township residents?

25.

_Should Dayton Township initiate progr&amp;ns
to purchase sites for future park and
recreational facilities that would be
conveniently located for all To1mship
residents?

26.

What do you feel are the most important problems facing Dayton Toi
(Number in decreasing order of importance; therefore #1 " most im:

(i;;,~ no restrictions

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Yes

(pl ease specify)

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Mobile homes
Hcntal apartments
Duplexes (2-family units)
Single family homes
An elderly housing complex

How do you feel _about living in
D.1yton To1mship?

Are there some pub! le serv.i ces that
Dayton To1mship or Newaygo County
do not provide that you 11ould like
to have in this area?

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Should smal 1 industrial facilities be
encouraged to locate in Dayton To1mship?

Uncertain

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Yes

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__::2_ Disposal of solid waste

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_t;;i_ Regulating developmcnt/urbarlization pressures

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Fire and police protection
_5_ Control of nuisances, such as noise or junk

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Annexation pressures
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On a scale frcm Oto 10, if 10 represents a perfect
CQf,lmunity or To1mshi;:, in the State, one that would
be an ideal pl ace to 1 ive in; and O represents the
\'/Orst possible situation you can ir.1agine; 1·1here on
the scale 1·10uld you place Dayton T01·mship?
\-/here 1·10uld you piace Dayton To1·mship five (5)
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Davton To~mshio Board

Dayton To1mship Planning Cor.i.-:iission

John DeKuiper, Supervisor
Eloise Kunnen, Clerk
Don Akershoek
William Edbrooke
Lafayette Waters

Preston Kromr.1endyk, Chainnan
Noman Knorr, Secretary
i1axine Annis
Perry DeKryger
John DeKuiper
Myron l~okx, Jr.
C.M. Shigley
Harvey Van Hemert

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�OJ\YTON TOWNSHIP
COMMUNITY QUESTIONNAIRE ATTITUDE
TAl3ULATION OF WRITTEN RESPONSES/COMMENTS
Question:
2.

Wfiat . particular .characteristics keep yo_u living in
Dayton Township?
- Just satisfied living here
Retirement home
- Near family and built on family land
- Centennial home
- Newaygo Countyl1as much more to offer for foster
children than Oceana County - the special help
some of them need and the whole system
- Tradition
- No urban congestion
- Proximity to children's activities
- Outside ot Fremont
- Sma 11 tO\m country living
- We like our property
- Officals do job well
- o~m home
- ~/here I was rai scd
- Wanted to have some land of our own in rural
atmosphere
- Can't afford to move
- Can't afford to move with inflation robbing our
income, and your Planning Commission is more
government caused inflation
- Quiet and good neighbors
- Wonderful people
- Family, friends
- Caring neighbors
- Retirement
- Quiet, country
- Proximity to aged parent
- Friends and neighbors
- Born here
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�Question:
18.

Are there some pub 1i c services that Dayton TO\mshi p
or Newaygo County do not provide that you would
like to have in this area? ·
- To~mshi p dump
- Park·
- Child care facilities; "meals on Hheels for shut- .
ins"
- Pub 1i c dun.Ip
- Township park
- Public transportation
- A private motel for the public
- Pickup trash on roadsides
- No CO\•t manure on Stone Road from fanners
- Adequate tax assessment
- Public transportation
We are not a\•tare of any services other than roads
- Improved roads
- Adequate road repair
- Would like our county to keep up roads better,
too many pot holes on our paved ro.ads, maybe
better use of men on county payroll
- We are close enough to Muskegon and Grand Rapids
for any needs we don't have met here
- Improve the roads
- ~etter snow plowing, better road repair
- A good pre-school program
- Roads, sewage system around · lakes
- Just freedom, especially from TAXES
- Transportation; cab service, bus service
Better waste disposal
- Portal to portal bus service, more recreational
facilities like a swimming pool
- Better county police patroling
- Better county roads
- Tmmshi p dump
- Snow plowing when needed on weekends
- Patch paved roads in spring earlier ·so there would
be less maintenance \then they do patch them. Put
more chloride on gravel roads during su~ner months.
- Appreciate a dump
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�Question 18, Continued
-~More foster care homes for the elderly (not nursing
home), pre-school program not based on wages but
on need
- Nice res~urant, better road maintenance
- Better road maintenance ·
- Better road maintenance such as unfilled holes
in blacktop
- Sewer systen, paved roads
- Access to lqkes (boat ramps)

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�Question:
21.

Are there some services you Hould rather do without
in order to pay 10\-1er taxes?
- Pre-school breakfasts and lunches plus other social
programs
- Less restrictions
- Benefits other than proper wages for all
Salting road that don't need it
- Government give-away programs
- Government subsidies, farm support programs
- Se1r1er service
- Welfare too easy ·to get, cut down on school tax
- Zoning, building inspectors
- Too much money wasted in school system
- I am uncertain what services are provided now
- The ones we don't have
- Don't know what are offered
- Further expansion of public salaties and controls
- Some school services
I d name some if there were any. What services
do we get? Darn few.
Provide less controls, not more
- Would require a review of current budget
I'm not sure what services we receive. We don't
have street lights or road upkeep.
vlel fare
Do not use the brine truck, less frequent roadside
trimming
I don't knciw what township services are
- Mental health
- Dog licensing, less government
- Hhat service do He have?
- Have the v10rk of all intermediate school district
enployees evaluated and unnecessary one (jobs)
eliminated
- Other than land use and voting organization I am
not aware of services provided by the TO\-mshi p that
affect me personally in my daily life.
- I think our schools could be run more efficiently
- School busing
- Comµuteri zat ion of county records
- Not many non-basic activities
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�Miscellaneous Comments:
- We need elderly housing desperately
- Elderly housing is not necessary in Dayton Tmmship
- Green Street sou~h of 32nd needs repair
- Green Street and 24th - we can hardly make it
through our road in the spring
- Fann machinery shops seem okay in the farming
area because of their proximity to the farmer
and his needs
- Need more retail clothing stores - at reasonable
prices
- Could use a K-Mart
- All prices are consistently higher than Grand
Rapids and Muskegon - especially groceries
- Eloise, I think this questionnaire is a great idea,
thanks.
- Aren't the lakes and streams in the Township already
overdeveloped?
- Need a roadside picnic area with picnic tables
- Our road doesn t get plowed sometimes for two to
tllree days
- Every spring you could hury a car in the hole in
front of Eloise Kunnen 1 s house on Green Street
- Additional services mean more taxes
- Give us taxpayers a break
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�TABLE D-1
RECOMMENDED STANDARDS FOR SCHOOL SERVICE .AREAS
DESIRABLE SERVICE AREA
RADIUS IN MILES

MAXIMUM SERVICE AREA
RADIUS IN MILES

El ernentary
(K-6 o'r K-8)

0.25

0.5

Junior High
(7-8 or 7-9)

o. 50

Senior High
(9-12 or 10-12)

0.75

TYPE OF SCHOOL

Source:

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0.75
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Planning Design Criteria, DeChiara and Koppelman, 1969.
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The table above shows the recommended service radii (the geographical area
a school serves) for the different school levels. The rural nature of the
Dayton community often makes these radii impractical since the number of
children in low density neighborhoods is too small to support a· school.
Recent trends toward a central campus for junior and senior high students
also make some of the service areas unrealistic.
Dayton Township is serviced by Fremont Public Schools which encompasses other
adjoining canmunities as well. Projections of pupil growth based on housing
and population increases, and then impact as school facilities is, therefore,
an indirect association. As Dayton Township's population base increases, it
can be anticipated that such growth will affect the facilities of the Fremont
District. The following general parameters establish the extent of such impact.

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�Assume:
- Each household will generate .50 elementary students; .25 middle school
students, and .25 high school students.
Assume:
- Two hundred thirty three (233) new households from 1980-2010.
Calculations:
.50 elementary pupils/HH - 116 additional students in 2010,@ 25 students/
· class= 4.6 teaching stations needed@ 20 teaching stations per elementary
school= 1/4 new elementary school.
- .25 high school puifils/HH = 58 additional students in 2010,@ 400-500 pupils
per middle school= 1/6 new middle school •
• 25 high school pupils/HH = 58 additional students in 2010,@ 1200 pupils
per high school= 1/20 new high school.

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�TABLE D-2
GENERAL RECREATION SPACE STANDARDS*

TYPE OF AREA

ACRES/1000
POPULATION

SIZE RANGE

SERVICE
RADIUS {MILES}

Neighborhood
Playground

1.5

1-5 acres

Sub neighborhood
.25 - .5 Miles

Neighborhood Park

2.0

5-20 acres

•25 - • 5 Mi1 es

NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL TOTAL

3.5

Community Playfield

1.5

20-50 acres

1.5 Mi1es

Community Park

3.5

20-100 acres

2.0 Miles

Major Park

2.0

100+ acres

3.0 Miles

COMMUNITY LEVEL TOTAL

7.0

GRAND TOTAL

(15 Minutes Driving
Time)

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~source: Joseph DeChiara and Lee Koppelman, Plannin Desi n Criteria,
(Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1969 and Robert Guechner,
National Park Recreation ·and Open Space Standards, (Washington,
D.c., 1970).
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�TABLE D-3
DAYTON TOWNSHIP
RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS*

HOUSING TYPE

NUMBER OF
UNITS
1980-1985

REQUIRED
ACREAGE

NUMBER OF
UNITS
1985-2010

REQUIRED
ACREAGE

Farm Residence
(20 Ac. per farm)

4 {10%)

80

19

380

Single Family
(3 Ac. per unit)

8 {20%)

24

39

13

Single Family
(2 Ac. per unit)

8 (20%)

16

39

20

Single Family
(1 Ac. per unit)

11 (30%)

11

58

58

Mobile Home Park .
(5 unit~ per Ac.)

4 {10%)

1

19

4

Mobile Home Individual
{l unit per Ac.)

4 {10%)

4

19

19

136

194

494

39

*Person per household estimate = 2.85 (1980-1985); 2.5 persons {1985-2010)

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Veterans History Project
Edward de Blécourt
(01:22:46)
(00:25) Background Information
•
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Edward was born in Phoenix, Arizona on October 9, 1981 and later moved to Michigan
when he was 5 years old
Edward’s father was an electrical engineer and his mother stayed at home
He graduated from high school in May of 2000 and joined the Army Reserve on
September 11, 2000 because he wanted to travel and get out of Michigan
Edward was in the Army Reserve while working two other jobs
He had just started college and finished basic training when the towers were attacked in
New York

(2:30) Basic Training October 2000
• Edward was sent to Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri for basic training and AIT
• It was freezing cold during training while they were drilling and working with artillery
• Edward was training with all different types of people from all over the US
• He began Advanced Infantry Training working with large trucks and tractor trailers in
different types of weather and terrain
• Edward trained for 6 months and then only had to report one weekend a month
• He had been working with the 180th Transportation Company in Muskegon, MI
(8:30) After 9/11
• Edward was called up for service after 9/11 into Fort Custer in Michigan
• The atmosphere was very stressful and it seemed like no one knew what was going on
• Many of the people there had previously fought during Desert Storm
• All the rules tightened and everyone was more strict
• In January of 2003 Edward was involuntarily transferred to Delaware and only had three
days to get ready
• They were sent to Fort Dix in New Jersey and taking tests before leaving
• Edward was part of a new unit, the 946th and just getting to know everyone
(14:20) Iraq
• Edward received orders to leave in march and was on an 18 hour flight to Kuwait
• They arrived on April 4, 2003 and the place smelled terrible
• Landing was kind of scary and chaotic with everyone running all over the place
• He had gone from training in the freezing cold to a very hot environment
• They were staying in tents at Camp Wolf with no cots or sleeping bags

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Another unit had to move in also and the place was very crowded

(21:00) Living Quarters
• The Company began looking for somewhere else to stay and checked about three other
camps, which were all full
• They slept outside for a few days and then ended setting up in a huge warehouse that had
about 18,000 people living in it
• They began going on missions from Kuwait into Iraq and delivering fuel and gas
• There were many people on the side of the road begging
• They often got stuck in Iraq because it was too late to travel across the country
• They would have to sleep outside near their trucks; it was very hot with many bugs and
sandstorms
(27:30) Progress of the War
• Edward and others did not know anything about what was going on with the progress of
the war
• He would have to stand in line for four hours for a phone call and only had twenty
minutes to talk
• There was no Stars and Stripes for any news, just rumors
• Edward continued delivering supplies, but often the AC in the trucks malfunctioned and
the temperature could reach 140 degrees
• They drove as quickly as possible to avoid being attacked and so that they could get back
to their living quarters on time
(39:30) QRF
• The men continued to be told that they would be going home any time, probably next
month
• They were then told that they were doing so well that they would have to remain there for
another 6 months
• They were sent back to Kuwait and formed the QRF: Quick Reaction Force and basically
guarding in Kuwait for 5 months in anticipation of an attack
• They were very bored and there was usually no work to be done
• Edward often played video games and it was nice because there was AC
• He went into Kuwait City a few times and everyone there was very nice
(47:30) Waiting to Leave
• Edward had since learned a little bit of Arabic and some cultural customs
• He went on a few humanitarian missions and got to know a few civilians
• Many heard that they would not be in Iraq for a whole year so that the government would
not have to pay them veterans benefits

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They were continually pulled off missions and replaced, told they were going home the
next day, but then something would always go wrong

(50:45) Back in the US
• Edward left Camp Wolf and stopped in Amsterdam and then landed in New Jersey
• They stayed at Fort Dix for two weeks and then were sent back to Michigan
• It was hard for Edward to get back to civilian life and he continued in the Reserve until
March of 2008
• Edward began attending college again at Davenport University and had to eventually get
surgery on both his knees
• Driving very fast for long periods of time over rough terrain had messed up his knees
• The government paid for his surgery, but it took years for it to all get set up
(1:02:10) Driving in the Desert
• There were no roads in the desert or infrastructure
• The roads that do exist are in very poor condition and have been through battle
• Many trucks went into Iraq and were shortly completely destroyed
• There was dust everywhere and often accidents
• They always had to drive too fast to meet their deadlines
• Sometimes they would be traveling in a convoy of 100 trucks
(1:12:15) Looking Back
• Edward was not part of an established unit, but would have like to have been working in
a hierarchy with people he knew and trusted
• Many times things were confusing and no one knew who was in charge

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                    <text>THE

ARTS

BOO KS

AWar to Remember
Looking back at the
causes of conflict and
the horrors of combat
B Y JIM M ILLER
t 4:45 on the morning of Sept. 1,
1939, the city of Danzig (now
Gdansk) awoke to explosions and
the roar of gunfire. While German
Stuka dive bombers screeched
overhead, salvos from German battleships
pounded the port. Shortly afterward Berlin
radio broadcast a proclamation by Adolf
Hitler, announcing the invasion of Poland-and the onset of World War II.
The catastrophe that began ~n Danzig 50
years ago eventually engulfed five continents, leaving few people untouched and
an estimated 50 million dead (box). Cities
were leveled, nations dismembered, terrible new instruments of mass destruction
perfected, from the concentration camps to
tlie atomic bomb. The unprecedented-scope
and brutality of the war oblige us not to
forget it. And so, to mark the 50th anniversary of its onset, publishers are offering
readers a host of new works that endeavor,
with varying success, to commemorate, explain and put the conflict into some kind of
historical perspective.
Among the many new reference works,
the most striking is The Times Atlas of the
Second World War (256 pages. Harper &amp; Row.
$45, to be published in October) edited by
John Keegan, author of "The Face of Battle" and "Six Armies in Normandy." Plotting the course of the war in its far-flung
theaters, from the deserts of North Africa
to the jungles of Burma and the steppes of
Russia, the book's lucid text and spectacular full-color maps, designed by the staff of
Times Books in London, offer a sweeping
and vivid overview. At a glance, the reader
can see the impact of German CT-boats on
Allied shipping in the Atlantic between
1939 and 1941, the Japanese mastery of
combined sea and air operations in the East
Indies in 1942, the devastating effect of the
Allied breakout from Normandy in 1944.
Leafing through this atlas, the war sometimes seems like a grand, larger-than-life
chess game. This illusion vanishes after
consulting the Encyclopedia of the Second World
War by the British military journalists Ian
Hogg and Bryan Perrett (447 pages. Presidio. $40). The 3,000 entries and 500 photo-

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The Murderous Wages of 'Total War'
The horror of World War II was unique.
I As the estimated death toll in several
countries shows, civilians as well as combatants died in unprecedented numbers.
COUNTRY

DEATH TOLLS
CIVILIAN
MILITARY

Britain

264,000

61,000

China

1,325,000

6,000,000

France

206,000

173,000

3,300,000

3,600,000

Greece

16,000

155,000

Italy

262,000

93,000

Japan

1,140,000

953,000

Poland

320,000

6,028,000*

Soviet Union

13,000,000

7,000,000

United States

292,000

6,000t

Germany

"INCLUDES 3 MILLION JEWS. tlNCLUDES MERCHANT
MARINES.
SOURCES; GILBERT'S 'THE SECOND WORLD WAR'; PERRETT
AND HOGG'S 'THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR'

ROBERT CAPA-MAGS.UM

Terrible destruction: What it all led to

�Acatastrophe
of unprecedented
brutality,
the second
world war began
with the
invasion of Poland:
Stuka dive
bombers (above)
zero in on
targets, Hitler's
Army enters
Danzig in
triumph

ofan age to have lived through the events of
1914-18, let alone to have fought in them,
could, wittingly, wish to go to war again."
War, however, was precisely what some
veterans yearned for. They missed the idealism and camaraderie of wartime, the
thrill ofliving dangerously and the license
to kill. Such were Hitler's lusts. "He did
not fall into war," concludes Watt, "nor
was he pushed. He leapt into war, past the
warnings of his more cautious advisers,
past the efforts to appeal to his love of
peace, past the clear statements from the
British and French Governments."
As Watt points out, this is not a reassuring interpretation of Munich and its aftermath. Implying that no course of action
could have stayed Hitler's hand, he concludes that a world war requires only "the
will or miscalculation of a ruler or ruling
group intent on global hegemony to the
point of unreason and mental instability."
In The Second World War: A Complete History
(800 pages. Holt. $29.95, to be published in
No vember), the Oxford historian Martin

Gilbert, best known for his official biography of Winston Churchill, picks up the story where Watt stops: with the invasion of
Poland. Gilbert's flowing narrative is
spiced with anecdotal details culled from
diaries, memoirs and official documents.
He is especially skillful at interweaving
summaries of military strategy with vignettes of civilian suffering- the genocide
of the Jews is never far from view.
Still, in some respects this is a disappointing work. Phlegmatic in tone and often numbingly dull, it makes little effort to
graphs, maps and diagrams, arranged in the British prime minister for his "almost explain the calamitous events it describes.
alphetical order, run from the A-4 rocket petulant egoism" and tendency to dither, It also fails ultimately to convey the horror
(German, with a mean range of 183 miles) Chamberlain's fear of plunging Europe of the war. That Gilbert must so often reto Zyklon-B (a cyanide gas compound used into yet another bloody war he considers sort to mute statistics to summarize the
in the "showers" at Auschwitz). With its entirely creditable. Almost all of Europe's carnage offers ironic testimony to one of
dry descriptions of innumerable, often leaders, Watt reminds us, shared his fear. the war's greatest triumphs: the transforfiendishly clever weapons, the book makes Anxious to remain flexible, their action mation of millions of men into faceless cogs
for somber reading.
was "predicated on a model of how war in vast, impersonal machines of war .
Why, so soon after the hecatombs of the might come, constructed from what they
Commenting on this transformation in
Somme and Passchendaele in 1916 and believed to have happened in 1914, rein- his important new study of Wartime (330
1917, did the world plunge back into war? forced by a sense of incredulity that anyone pages. Oxford. $19.95), Paul Fussell points
out the popularity in America
That riddle is illuminated as
of the sobriquet "GI Joe." "The
never before in How War Came
proud anonymity of the [sol(736pages. Pantheon. $29.95) by
dier's] uniform," according to
Donald Cameron Watt. A proan American editorial in 1945,
fessor at the University of Lon"demanded a name as proud
don, Watt draws on a lifetime of
and as anonymous as itself and
archival research. With somegot it in 'GI Joe'. "
times withering wit, his new
With its telling recourse to
book brings brilliantly back to
the oxymoron "proud anonymlife the politics and diplomacy
ity," this passage offers the kind
of the 11 months between Nevof cultural evidence-offbeat
ille Chamberlain's notorious
and inadvertently revealingsurrender of Czechoslovakia to
that Fussell glories in. A proHitler at Munich on Sept. 30,
fessor of English at the Univer1938, and England's declarasity of Pennsylvania and the
tion of war on Sept. 3, 1939.
author of "The Great War and
Watt's research has led him
Modern Memory," a classic
BETTMANN ARCHIVE
to a major reassessment of
Chamberlain. Though he faults Pyrrhic peace: Chamberlain (left) with Hitler at Munich, 1938 study of the impact of World
N EWSWEEK : SEPTEMBER 4, 198 9

65

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War I on English literature, Fussell in his
new book seeks to evoke "the psychological and emotional culture of Americans
and Britons during the Second World
War." He also wants to splash cold water
on readers accustomed to other, more
"sanitized and romanticized" accounts.
"In unbombed America," he writes, the
suffering of the war "was wasted. . ..
America has not yet understood what the
Second World War was like."
This bitter generalization is not entirely
convincing. Fussell altogether ignores
such influential works as John Hersey's
"Hiroshima" (published in 1946) and Hannah Arendt's "The Origins of Totalitarianism" (published in 1951). No matter. His
passionate convictions drive his book to a
furious, disturbingly effective climax. And
in his final pages, in what may be his finest
feat as a critic, Fussell introduces the reader to a hitherto unsung but remarkable
author named Eugene B. Sledge.
In 1981 this former Marine published a
neglected memoir, With the Old Breed at Peleliu
and Okinawa. Still in print (344 pages. Presidio. $15.95), this book richly merits a wider
audience. It is, just as Fussell says, "one of
the finest memoirs to emerge from any
war." In some of the passages singled out by
Fussell, Sledge recalls watching a comrade
in the aftermath of combat carving out the
gold teeth of a wounded Japanese soldier,
slicing open the cheeks of the living victim.
One Marine officer routinely relieved himself by urinating into the mouth of the
nearest available Japanese corpse. During
the bloody Okinawa campaign, fresh reinforcements arrived and disappeared with
mechanical regularity, so quickly killed or
wounded that they seemed "like homeless
waifs, unknown and faceless to us, like unread books on a shelf."
"We were expendable," writes Sledge.
"It was difficult to accept. We come from a
nation and a culture that values life and
the individual. To find oneself in a situation where your life seems of little value is
the ultimate in loneliness. It is a humbling
experience."
The searing honesty of these words
makes them, as Fussell recognizes, a fitting epitaph for the ordeal that began in
Danzig 50 years ago. When the killing was
done, countless survivors knew all too
much about the "ultimate in loneliness."
Japan lay in ruins. Europe, in the words of
Watt, had committed "suicide," in the
process destroying irreplaceable buildings, paintings, sculptures-the patrimony of 2,000 years of Western civilization.
As a matter of policy, Germany had
exterminated roughly 70 percent of Europe's Jews and an even higher percentage of its Gypsies. "A humbling experience" indeed-important to recollect
and, as this latest outpouring of books
suggests, essential to comprehend.
•

66

NEWSWEEK: SEPTEMBER 4 , 1989

In Lieu of

'Chatterton'
First Light. By Peter Ackroyd. 328 pages.
Grove Weidenfeld. $19.95.

I

magine "Abbott and Costello Meet the
Mummy" with a New Age piano score by
George Winston and you'll have a pretty
good idea of Peter Ackroyd's new novel.
"First Light" is clearly by the same author
as last year's "Chatterton"-it has to do
with the grip of the past on the
present-but it's different, too,
in an unsettling way. It's as if
Ackroyd had concluded that his
success with "Chatterton," a
complex and brilliant comedy
of ideas, was a fluke. A farce
might be safer this time out,
with cartoons for characters:
preposterous London lesbians
rubbing up against coarse
country farmers-that kind of
thing. As for ideas, well, New
Age romantic treacle about
star maps reflected in our blood plasma
might be easier to digest than playful questions about art, forgery and the ambiguous
border between them.

husband,"

MIRIAM BERKLE\

Off into the ozone: Ackroyd
tries to blend farce,
creepiness and mysticism
ill." "Dykes, dear," the old trouper repliei
Had Ackroyd wanted to make "Fin
Light" a frisky social comedy, he mig}
have brought it off, too-but that's not h
intention either.
Apparently what he wants is to combi
the creepiness and the farce with an ov
lay of dreamy mysticism. One of the mis
is a failed astronomer who promotes a lo
chatter like this: "Our bodies are made
of dead stars. We carry their light inside
So everything goes back. Everything is r
of the pattern. We carry our origin wi
us, and we can never rest until we }
returned." Thoughts of such gravity w
put even Shirley MacLaine to sleep.
Any story that features a promi
tomb must stand or fall on it. Ad
keeps his tomb pretty much constan
sight: it is not what it seems to be. Tr
course, is what we look for; disappoin
sets in when we learn that this 1
ground warren is considerably les,
what we'd expected. Even the di!
reader will guess its secret long befo
royd is moved to spell it out. For
tiresome characters, "First Light
some clever scenes-but Ackroyd
implausibilities as well. His stor
men ts-the hoary old tomb, the elf
&lt;loners and the pulpy metaphysics
cohere as they should. It might see
were taking on too much in this n
that's not quite right. "Chatterton
us what Ackroyd can do with a
characters and themes. Here he's
too little.
PETERS

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Veterans History Project
Cornelius “Casey” DeJonge
(00:46:06)
(00:17) Background Information
• Born in the Netherlands
• Family (of 6 at the time) came to Grand Rapids, MI in 1929 when he was 9 years old
• The move was sponsored by family they had in Grand Rapids
• Came from a seafaring family- 11 past relatives had been captains of ships
• Father had no job in Netherlands but was in construction in America then in his final
years he was in the Muller Bakery Company baking cakes
• Cornelius only went to school through grade 9
(1:57) Developments in Europe as Nazis began to take over
• (1:57-2:12) Was on his way to Pontiac, Michigan doing a brick job when he got notice of
Japan attacking
• Had relatives still in the Netherlands when the Nazis took over
o His niece was run over by a Nazi tank
o Uncle (father’s brother) had a small boat which enabled him to be spared
(2:49) Joining the Merchant Marine
• Began a US citizen in 1935; went into the Merchant Marine in 1943
• Was a brick layer for government buildings and worked at a magnesium plant in Nevada
which kept him from being drafted
• Left Nevada because his wife had a baby and went to Michigan
• He was going to be drafted then read an article that said that he could “sail the seven seas
with other clean cut young men just like him in the merchant marine.”
• To sign up, Casey hitchhiked to Detroit
• Passed the test and went to Sheepshead bay New York to train
• Training was 16 weeks and was the same as one would get in the army
• After four weeks, if he wanted to go right away, he could go as a mess man or in the
storage department so he did
• Training was marching, pile out of bed at four in the morning outside in the nude,
gymnastics, boxing
• Was 24 during this time; there were younger men with him and older as well
• Had no prior experience
(5:05) The First Trip: England
• Out of New York

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(5:18-5:31) Last trip took him through the Panama Canal to the Pacific to the Philippines
and he was on an ammunition ship
• The ship was the Joshua Thomas and it went to England
• Unloaded in England then loaded back up to go to North Africa
• The ship was a liberty ship
• (6:10-6:21) Once went to Russia and the ship carried electric trains
• The ship sailed in a convoy (all of the ships he were on did except the Pacific)
• Not on this first trip but on a different one, there were 105 ships in the convoy, each one
mile apart
• This first voyage was mid-summer, 1943
• (7:04-7:35) Trip from New York to Alabama there was a big U-boat scare and “a lot of
ships were sunk along that coast; I think a lot of American people aren’t aware of that.”
• (7:35-7:53) The convoy was not attacked during his first voyage but when he went to
Russia, one went up the Clyde River in Scotland and sank a ship at 8 in the morning
• (7:53-8:15) Casey always chose the 4 to 8 watch because then he didn’t have to work
(chip decks, paint etc) because the maritime union stipulated that one could only work
between 8am and 4pm
(8:15) The men of the Merchant Marine
• A lot of American men but some foreigners
• The Portuguese were a large group of capable seamen
• (8:47-9:04) Portuguese and Hollanders historically do not get along but Casey had a
good friend who was Portuguese
• (9:08) Captains
o Most were old
o Sometimes they were drunks
o Had chief engineers on every ship who never did anything
• (9:50) Boat Problems
o One problem: went to Russia and once electric trains were taken off the ship, the
electric cables used to keep them in place were left to hang off the ship and got
tangled in the screw
• (10:40) When the boat left Russia it loaded up with wood crating material
o Each piece of wood was measured by a Russian girl or sailors who wanted to get
paid overtime
 One Russian girl was an artist and gave him a nice painted picture of a
farm scene and she wrote on the back “To Casey, For Remember”
• (11:48) Club where Vodka was served where men could meet girls
• (12:39) Went to Archangel, not Murmansk
o (12:44) Russian government gave merchant marines 60 or 100 rubles but could
not give American sailors money so they gave them perfume

�(13:28) The Trip to Russia
• Trip began in Scotland
• Convoy before them had 48 ships and only 4 made it back
• He was issued very heavy material (rubber outfit) to keep warm in; if he had fallen in, he
could’ve lasted 20 minutes
• Friend who was a policeman from New York got sick, was sent to a Russian destroyer
then later died and was buried at sea
(14:55) Off Duty
• Hired someone to take his place on the ship so he could get off in England for a dollar an
hour or it could have been a dollar a watch
• Casey spent a lot of time in English cemeteries looking a gravestones and also crossed
the London bridge quite a few times
o (15:45) Ended up helping to rebuild London Bridge in Lake Havasu, Arizona
later on in the 1970s
(16:00) On the Ship
• On duty jobs: Steering and lookout
o Couldn’t see anything as a lookout and was never required to go up in the crow’s
nest, they always were put either on the forepeak or the bow
• (18:06) Off-Duty at Sea: Slept, spent time in mess hall
o His crew of 45 men had a waiter that would bring their food to them and at every
meal, they could choose from three different meats
o Got paid on way back to New York one time to throw meat overboard because the
next group of men on the ship wanted fresh meat
• (19:50) Navy Personnel on the Ship
o 8 20 millimeter guns, 1 3 inch anti-aircraft gun, 5 inch surface gun and Casey
always volunteered to load 20 mm guns
o Naval guns and smoke bombs only had to be used once when the ship was
attacked in the Mediterranean and this is when he got a combat bar
(21:00) Places Visited
• London, England
o Missed the ship one time and had to be transported by train through England
• Algiers, Algeria
o Went here right after the invasion but not much damage
• Russia
o Worst experience
o Fish and cabbage was given out and stoves could only be used if four people were
using them at a time and the people lived in dormitories
• (23:48) Casbah, Algiers
o Scary place where army servicemen were not allowed to go
• (23:97) Could go to Iran

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(24:45) Unloading in Russia was done by women and it was the only place where there
was a soldier at the end of the gangway and the worst thing someone could bring ashore
was a magazine
• (26:50) Allowed two days off for every week on the ship so he went home to see his wife
o When he came back he would have to pick a new ship, and could only turn down
2, and if you did, you would automatically be on the third ship; Casey always
picked the first and tried to get a ship headed to dry dock so his wife could come
with him
(28:00) Pay
• 100 dollars a month was sent to his wife
• Casey’s wife did not have a job
• He got paid at the end of the trip in cash in the officers mess hall
(29:23) Caribbean, Panama Canal, Pacific
• Going through the Panama Canal was a surprise because everything in the ship had a UK
label
• They then loaded up ammunition in Alabama and went through the canal to get to the
Philippines
• Went in to Manila once or twice a week to get the mail
• One time in Manila he got in a truck with other soldiers and the driver told him to lay
down for awhile because they were going through “suicide pass” where there were still
snipers because the war was still going on the 11 months he was there
• Fake money was all over the streets in Manila
• Filipinos were friendly and mostly Catholic
• The only other place he went to in the Pacific was the Marshall Island atoll of Eniwetok
o Casey had a few beers there was very popular when each person was given two
beers because he did not drink
(33:00) Returning to Civilian Life
• Left Merchant Marine in 1946 because the war ended
• Got off the ship in Seattle, went all the way home then was telegraphed to come back to
the ship to get paid
• Unaware as to how much he was paid
• Had to buy his own clothes and transportation but was paid more than some naval
personnel
• Had a lack of benefits after he got out but today he has the VA which covers his
numerous prescriptions
• (36:00) One memory that stood out in Casey’s mind was when someone got murdered on
the ship in Algiers; stabbed to death
• The coast guard were the merchant marines policemen

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(37:19) One day the galley chimney was not working so there were no hot meals to go
around
o A British destroyer then came close to the ship and dropped two depth charges
because the men on Casey’s ship said that they would not get out of their seats
until they got a hot meal; the charges got them out of their seats
• Experienced a major storm where the gangway broke
o Casey was told to go up to the forepeak and lock the padlock in there because
there were valuables there
• One time in the Philippines, a Captain asked a steward if the laundry was being done
onshore because a lot of blue bedspreads were gone; it turned out they were being sold
for clothing, especially in North Africa
(40:45) Reflection
• He loved it and believed it was a nice way to live but he had to get back to his family
• Became a foreman where he had worked before the war then went into business alone
• Later he went to Bahrain with the church to build hospitals, then to Oman then to Basra,
Iraq and built a school
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Veterans History Project
James de la Cruz
(01:28:29)
(00:15) Background Information
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James was born in Texas in November of 1945
He described his parents as peasants and very poor
They did not have any property or any of their own crops, but helped work on other’s
lands
His parents were from the Rio Grande Valley in Texas
James moved to Michigan with his parents when he was one year old and his older
brother moved to Mexico to live with his grandmother
His father began working as a migrant worker in Bay City and later found work in Grand
Rapids
James grew up in a small shack in Grand Rapids, often moving around and going to
different schools

(13:30) Pending War
• James graduated from high school in 1964 and was sure that he would soon receive a
draft notice
• He felt that he did want to serve, but not in the Army and on the ground in the jungle
• James had taken ROTC in high school for 3 years and was well prepared for the service
• He went through POW training, learned about foraging, being a leader and taking orders,
map reading, and marksmanship
• James enlisted in the Air Force in November of 1965
(18:30) Training
• James left Grand Rapids on a bus after his induction in Detroit
• They were sworn in and then brought to stay in a hotel near
• Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas
• They spent a lot of time keeping their barracks clean and in order, drilling, and marching
• James quickly became a squad leader while a few others washed out
• He tried to remain neutral and not join any specific groups or cliques; he just wanted
training to be over as soon as possible
• When he was finished training he was able to go back to Grand Rapids for a few weeks
on leave
(24:50) Tampa, FL

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After training in Texas, James went to tech school for a short time in Illinois
He learned about mechanics in repair classes and stayed in very old barracks that were
very cold
James was then sent to McDeal Air Force Base in Florida, which was like being on
vacation
The base was much nicer than the one in Illinois and they did not work too hard
It was like a civilian job, working 8-5, and then they were free to do what they wanted
James worked with equipment to help support aircraft, such as hydraulic driven bomb
lifts, generator sets, AC units, air compressors, gas drivers, diesel drivers, and electric
drivers
There were about 30 air men working per shift; they were never overloaded, but always
had plenty of work
James spent 14 months living at McDeal Air Force Base

(35:15) Thailand
• James left with a small group of men from the base in Florida and headed over the Pacific
• He had been looking forward to going overseas and had no fear of going
• James was glad that he was not going to Vietnam and that he would not be fighting in the
jungle
• They had a very long commercial flight from California
• They landed in Bangkok where there were many different GIs from other branches
• There were also Canadians, Australians, and British people
(40:20) Ubon
• They flew from Bangkok to Ubon where many of the GIs already had learned to speak
Thai
• James was very impressed and wanted to quickly learn Thai himself
• They stayed at a very old barracks on the base with 30 men per building
• The weather was warm, tropical, and it rained every day
• James was working on F-1 fighter bombers, KC-130s, cargo planes, small one man
surveillance planes, helicopters, and black dragons
• He was working on some very impressive aircraft and helping to maintain aircraft,
similar to his duties in Florida
(49:15) Tinker Air Force Base
• James was transferred to Oklahoma and still maintaining aircraft, using mostly diesel
equipment
• He stayed with a mobile communications group living off base in tents in a field
• They set up a mobile communications center with satellites, radar, radios…

�(51:10) Thailand October 1967-1968
• There were aircraft often leaving from the base, but James never knew where they were
going or any details of their missions
• He only worked on engines, not plane weapons or armaments and did not ever
communicate with the flight crews
• Mechanics were only allowed to go to certain areas of the base; others were off limits
• James was aware that some of the missions were flying out to Vietnam, Laos, and
Cambodia
(56:40) Living on Base
• They worked with some civilians on base that helped mostly with services and translation
• James had gone through orientation when he first arrived and they were warned about
traveling to certain areas in Ubon and to avoid certain activities
• James had been up drinking in town very late and wondered to an area he had been told
not to go to
• He saw a bunch of people covered in some type of shawls and walking in a straight line
• It was very strange, but he realized that when they got closer to him that they were all
lepers
• The Thai people had very different customs and culture from Americans; they were much
more caring and considerate
• There were some USO shows on base and the King of Thailand also came to visit
(01:10:10) Bangkok
• James only spent about six days in Bangkok altogether; 3 days when arriving in Thailand
and 3 days when leaving
• When he first arrived, much of his memory is a blur because it was all so exciting and
different
• He had not wanted to upset anyone and tried to be quiet on the sidelines, following
military and societal rules
• He had a more adventurous time when he was leaving the country
• James went on a bus tour around the city with a friend, but the time went by very quickly
• After all the time spent in Thailand James really missed pizza, drive-in theaters, and
American women
(01:14:00) Oklahoma
• James had been living off base in a mobile home with other men in the military
• There was not much to do in Oklahoma; they were in a college town that was full of bars
• It was always hard to make friends in a military town with the regular civilians
• It seemed like the people knew that the service men would only be there temporarily and
did not want to make friends with anyone that would be leaving soon

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James was starting to miss his family and wanted to go back to Grand Rapids
He had signed up for 4 years of service, but was offered a chance to get out 9 months
early
He had been offered a promotion and bonus to resign, but declined, which he now regrets
10-15 years after being in the service James really began to miss his time in the Air Force

(01:22:25) Discharged 1969
• After his time in the service it was easy for James to get a job and the economy was
doing well
• He worked for Central Air Lines for a while at the Kent County Airport in Grand Rapids
• James also worked at the Metro Airport for North Central Airlines, and at GM for a while
• He eventually ended up working for the US Postal Service and has been for 19 years; he
is eligible for retirement now
• James believes that the best experiences of his past were while in the Air Force and he
would do it all over again

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Veterans History Project
Walter De Leeuw
(36:33)
(00:01) Background Information
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Walter was born in southern Netherlands in 1934
He was 5 years old when the Germans came into his town
The Germans took over the schools to use them as barracks
His family had 9 children and it was hard for his parents to support them after the
occupation
Walter’s father was a captain on a tug boat
2 of his brothers were forced to go to Germany and work in a factory
They could see V-1 and V-2 missiles go over their town
Sometimes the missiles would malfunction and hit his town
The Allies came into town and had to rebuild the bridges, but the Germans kept bombing
them again
Walter and his family were evacuated to a farm and their house was demolished
They couldn’t buy much and were very hungry the last year of the war
Some of the Dutch were communicating with the allies to try and help them

(10:57) After the War
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The Allies took over the schools for a few months after the war ended
There was plenty of food after the war
The southern part of the Netherlands was liberated on November 5 and the north was
liberated in December [parts of the north remained under German control until the war
ended]
Walter graduated from a tech school

(16:45) Coming to America
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Walter landed in NY and took a plane to Grand Rapids, MI
He stayed on his uncles farm when he got there in the winter
There wasn’t much to do on the farm and there weren’t any jobs until spring
He found a temporary job at a marina
Walter got a draft notice and decided to enlist in the Army

(23:05) Training
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He didn’t have any problems with going to basic training because he was in good shape
Walter was sent to Fort Dix
After Fort Dix he was sent to Frankfurt, Germany
He had to go to field duty in southern Germany
In the US he trained in a tank unit, but when he was sent to Germany they moved him to
an artillery unit

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In the artillery unit they used 105mm howitzers
The tanks he drove in the US were M-48s and they could go up to 40 mph
Tank crews had 4 people
While in Germany he could take leave and go to Austria, Switzerland, or France
Walter went into the HQ company and drove jeeps for forward reconnaissance
He arrived in Germany in 1959 and stayed for 2 years
Walter got married while in Germany

(32:45) After His Service
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Walter went back to the US and was discharged
He started a job as a draftsman
Then he worked at a factory
He didn’t join a veterans club because he felt it wouldn’t be right since he didn’t serve
during a war

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Arnold De Loof
Interview Length: (00:18:45:00)
Early Life (00:00:01:00)
 De Loof was born on a farm (00:00:35:00)
 He had a family of 10 including himself, seven siblings, and his parents. (00:00:37:00)
 Until he was about 11 years old, he had grown up during WWII. (00:00:48:00)
 Went to a single-room schoolhouse as a young boy. (00:01:16:00)
 De Loof spent his time ice skating, playing football, and general partaking in activities
that didn’t require “a lot of money”. (00:01:28:00)
o “Hardly anybody had any money in those days”. (00:01:31:00)
 De Loof received up to a tenth grade education. (00:01:42:00)
 His father passed away when he was nine years old. (00:02:03:00)
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Grand Rapids to support the family. (00:02:10:00)
o His grandmother began to live at the family home when his mother went to work.
(00:02:50:00)
 As he entered his teenage years, De Loof took on some small jobs such as mowing lawns
and hauling hay. (00:03:14:00)
o At 16, he got his first “real” job at a furniture factory. (00:03:27:00)
 When he enlisted in the military, his girlfriend at the time left him because she did not
want to date someone who wasn’t nearby. (00:03:52:00)
 De Loof decided to enlist because he did not have a job at the time and wanted to “go see
the world”. (00:04:30:00)
o Until that time, he had only ever been to Texas and Mississippi. (00:04:041:00)
Basic Training (00:04:57:00)
 “We marched a lot”. (00:04:59:00)
 As he was an Air Force trainee, he did not receive any foot combat instruction because
those in the Air Force were responisble solely for airborne activity. (00:05:25:00)
 The extent of De Loof’s training was “how to come and go in a military manner”.
(00:05:40:00)
 At first, De Loof was being trained to be a cook. After asking many times to be
transferred to another training unit, he was placed in supply room squadron where he
stayed for 6-8 months. He was transferred again after this length of time to be trained as a
fireman, which title he assumed for the rest of his military days. (00:06:21:00)
 De Loof’s department dealt with structural, chemical, and aircraft fires. (00:07:01:00)
Active Duty (00:07:18:00)
 One fire occurred at a “tank farm”, each of which held about 6,000 gallons of fuel, and
took several days to completely recover. All the fuel was lost. (00:07:22:00)
 De Loof kept in touch with his family by writing letters. (00:08:00:00)

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On the weekends, one of the mess halls on base would be turned into a “club” for the
men’s’ enjoyment. They were able to drink beer and gamble on these nights, though De
Loof never gambled himself. (00:09:33:00)
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for various sports. (00:10:10:00)
The place where the base was located was previously a home to an Eskimo village, which
was moved north for the sake of construction. (00:10:40:00)
o For this reason, the Eskimos did not wish to affiliate with the American troops.
They also isolated themselves from the Americans to avoid illness. Some died due
to intolerance of foreign disease. (00:11:10:00)
De Loof made some friends that he was able to keep in touch with over the years.
(00:12:10:00)
o One friend, in particular, currently lives in Baton Rouge and De Loof pays him a
visit once a year. (00:12:17:00)
When he returned home, De Loof worked for Goodyear in Grand Rapids. (00:13:00:00)
o His job was to install and recap, or rejuvenate, tires. (00:13:09:00)
When he was dismissed, De Loof’s active military service time had expired but he was
still required to complete four years on reserve. (00:13:40:00)
o His reserve or “stand- by” time was loosely structured. De Loof was only required
to “let them know where [he] was” so if he was needed for combat, he could be
located with ease. (00:13:46:00)
He started working one week after returning from South Korea. (00:14:20:00)
o Besides Goodyear, De Loof also worked for a paper mill, a gas station, and a car
dealership. (00:14:30:00)
o He eventually bought a gas station that used to work in. His father- in- law was
the previous owner, and De Loof managed it for 15 years. (00:15:00:00)
o After closing the gas station, he began to drive cargo trucks for a living. He
remained in this field until he retired. (00:15:11:00)
De Loof never joined any veteran’s organizations. (00:17:00:00)
o After he was ineligible for the VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars), he did not
pursue any others. (00:17:00:00)
o To be affiliated with VFW, one must have experience in a “war zone”. Even so,
most of those involved in the Korean War had a hard time joining this
organization because this was “not a declared war”. (00:17:17:00)
If he had the choice, De Loof would join the service again. (00:18:20:00)
o He did and saw things he would not have otherwise if he hadn’t enlisted.
(00:18:23:00)

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Veteran’s History Project
World War II
Harvey De Vries
Length of Interview (00:58:20)
Background
Born July 13, 1922 in McBain, Michigan
Family were farmers, grew up on the farm
Went into service at the age of nineteen
Grew acres of corn, oats, wheat, etc.
One older brother, seven younger sisters
Stayed in school until eighth grade, left to help the family on the farm
Worked in Grand Rapids for two winters; plating plant, National Brass, and a warehouse
Wasn’t paying attention to the war going on in Europe
Learned about Pearl Harbor (December 7) over the radio (00:02:25)
Draft was already going on, at the time, didn’t think about joining
After being drafted, in July, given a deferment until after harvest, December 1942
Still didn’t pay as much attention about the war, was excited to be in the service
Basic Training (00:03:45)
Went to Fort Custer (Battle Creek), MI and sent to Fort Robinson, Arkansas


Six weeks of basic training

Went by train to Arkansas, doesn’t remember much about the trip
Camp Robinson was very new and interesting
Did well with discipline (had a strict father); very tall, so always ahead of his class
Enjoyed training; in good physical condition


Many others were not used to physical exertion, hard for them to keep up

�Most of the men training there were from the Eastern part of the country
Did basic training with discipline, physical conditioning, rifle training


Became a sharpshooter there; very familiar with guns
o Shotgun at age of 12, 30-30 when he was 15



Also trained with mortars and machine guns

Sent to Fort Louis, Washington after basic for Tank Destroyers (00:06:30)


Training on open top turret M-10 Tank Destroyer; had a 16 ft, 3 in gun



Trained as a gunner

Didn’t train there for long (February to March), then went to several other camps to train
Paratrooper Training (00:07:50)
Volunteered as a Paratrooper, instead, with 17 other men
Sent from Portland, Oregon to Fort Benning, Georgia by train


Had a private car; first night stopped in Denver, went out on the town, also did this in
Nashville, Tennessee



No supervising officer, very unusual

Began training in December (00:09:20)


Learned how to tumble (used towers and cables)



Were told, “Don’t spit the sawdust,” as discipline training; sawdust was used to show
landing sites

Took only a couple weeks before they did actual jumps; taken up on a B-47


Sweat-sheds: area where men waited to board the plane, given pep talks there



Chutes have a main chute and reserve chute. If neither opens, at least the truck to take
you to the barracks will be there, etc.

First Jump (00:12:00)


Sixteen in a squad

�

Waiting for the green light, couldn’t stop if you wanted to



Doesn’t remember the actual jump, but remembers seeing the lights of the cities after
pulling the chute



Only about 12,000 ft above ground, not a very high



Wasn’t too different from simulations

Also did night jumps, more frightening; just had to be ready
Heard a story about a guy who got caught in an updraft (00:14:35)
Went through Class 82
Training took about four weeks to complete
Sent to Camp McCall, North Carolina (00:15:40)
Hurt his knee during training, given a referral to recuperate; first time he met his future
wife
Overseas, Europe (00:16:20)
Waited three to four weeks, shipped out with a different outfit (May)
Sailed out on the Queen Elizabeth; no convoy, too fast a ship


Three days to reach England



A smooth voyage; 18,000 troops there, about 2,000-3,000 paratroopers

Arrived just before D-day; stopped in Liverpool, then went to Swindon by truck
Saw the planes taking off for D-day, “Sky was black with them.”
Put in 506th Parachute Regiment, didn’t get to know anyone well (00:19:00)


Corporal, Machine Gunner



I Company, 3rd Battalion, 506th Regiment; joined them just after D-day

Stayed in camp, or went out for small hikes, during the weeks waiting to be assigned (JuneDecember)
Visited London, there for one night

�On base, no civilian interaction; stationed in a castle, Little Cote
Followed news about other paratroopers and large campaigns, briefed by the Lieutenant
(00:21:15)
Was treated well when they joined their new company, heard a lot of stories
1st Mission: Holland (00:22:45)
Landed in Zon (Son), just outside of Eindhoven; had to guard a bridge over a canal and chase the
Germans out of Eindhoven
As they ran into the town, was under machine gun fire; De Vries stayed along the fence
for cover while the lieutenant took over the machine gun
Doesn’t remember much about the flight over and the actual jump; knows there were soldiers 30
minutes ahead of them
Plane was being fired upon during the flight over; one of the planes had been shot down


The pilot was the last to jump out and only had 75ft of air left; managed to pull his shoot
before he hit, bounced four to five feet off the ground; wasn’t injured

Landed in the correct zone (during the day)
Went straight into the town (Eindhoven) (00:27:35)


Provided cover against the German machine gunner; fired while walking

Civilians were still in their homes
Chased the Germans out of the town; were to receive help from the British
De Vries’s Company, along with C Company, patrolled areas around the bridge
Spent a day or two there
Went on the Veghel, then Uden (had to crawl through a jam factory there), headed over to
Overijssel (00:30:20)
Overijssel had two canals going through it, stationed there
Was put out on guard with two other men; stayed in the ditches near the farms (00:31:50)
Had to watch for Germans trying to escape (Rotterdam to Amsterdam), very quiet early morning

�Later, De Vries came out of the ditch and walked toward the tree for better vigil; was then shot
by a sniper near the collar bone and out from between the shoulder blades
Told the two others to go back to camp and get help; one of them was injured on the way
Was shot at 9:30AM, didn’t get help until around 3PM; was stripped of his wallet and valuables
and left for dead by the Germans
Remembers waking and gaining the attention of the others by jiggling the telephone lines near
him; was dragged half a mile to a jeep and taken to the first aid station
Flown to England from the station


Had to draw fluid out of his lung (a few pints) as the bullet had went through the top of
his long



Was hit by an armor-piercing bullet, went through cleanly

Battle of the Bulge (00:35:20)
Stayed in hospital for a couple of weeks


Visited by the surgeon often; also had his tonsils taken out

Hit in October 5 and into the middle of December (during the Battle of the Bulge) was called
back to Holland


Put into S2: Intelligence section

Had to investigate calls and check for traps (marching in Germany); five to six men for each
check (00:37:10)
Joined his company in a town near Bastogne
Part of the Battle of the Bulge; not surrounded [yet] by the Germans, yet; remembers being
ignored by two German soldiers walking by his fox-hole
Went back to the town of Foy
Wasn’t assigned a position at this time; there for about a week before Patton’s army arrived
Outfit sent to Reims, France for rest camp (00:39:20)
At rest camp for a week, then taken through Cologne and south

�The Battle of the Bulge had been bitter cold (00:40:20)


Couldn’t even have a fire to keep warm; sat under what cover one could

 Had to be in positions where one could see the other; given instruction by signal
The company was moving forward and capturing German soldiers; would send them to camps
(00:41:50)
A lot of tunnels in Northeastern borders of France for escaping German soldiers; remembers
coming upon a still warm dinner in one of these tunnels
Went to Austria next; stationed there for a while
Remembers watching a movie there and going to get coffee at the Red Cross; twisted his
knee when dropping eight feet from a fence
Didn’t do any fighting afterwards
Never went back to his outfit
The soldiers they were capturing were just regular people, some were older (part of the older
army); SS troops are the ones that drove them (00:43:50)
Took some SS troops prisoner; were smart-alecks most of the time
Recalls an incident with SS troops being killed instead of being taken back to a camp;
only heard the shooting
Didn’t hear stories about SS soldiers committing atrocities to American soldiers (00:45:15)
Some of the soldiers they captured were only 16 or 17 years old
Didn’t see much of the civilian population; stayed in some houses, very hospitable
After injuring his knee, he hopped from one hospital station to another; from Cherbourg, put on a
hospital ship: Santa Rosa


Sailed into Newport, Virginia

Was a bed patient, but could still walk around on the deck

�Discharge (00:47:15)
Landed in Virginia and went to the hospital there
Was discharged in Fort Custer (Battle Creek, MI) on February 15, 1946


Had spent nine months in the hospital; most of the time was waiting for his discharge

Had been sending letters regularly to his wife; she kept them all (00:48:40)


Father hadn’t known he was wounded, until later

Mail usually took a while to get to him
Was married in March 15, 1946 (00:50:35)
Took a job as a herder in Long Island, New York; went into milk delivery a year later; eventually
bought a farm and cows (40 of them)
Eventually upkeep became too expensive and sold his cows; bought out his uncle and went into
the clam business
Stayed in business for 27 years and came back to MI in 1987, retired
The military taught him patience, forethought, and leadership (00:55:10)


Never stayed in one place long enough to be promoted; PFC

In Holland, would check for booby-traps under bridges; had learned to dismantle many
explosives
o Remembers using the page of a book to stop a spark
o Never had to do it under fire, except maybe sniper fire

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Veteran’s History Project
Vietnam War
Richard De Young

Interview Length: (00:05:10:00)
Pre-enlistment / Training (00:00:31:00)
 Born on September 2, 1944 in Petoskey, Michigan (00:00:31:00)
o De Young’s father was in the WPA and then served as a cop for thirty-two years
and his mother was a legal secretary (00:00:37:00)
 Before joining the service, De Young worked for a record company distributing records
in the early part of the 1960s (00:00:56:00)
 De Young enlisted in the service straight out of high school in 1963 (00:01:07:00)
 De Young’s brother served in the Army for two years and his father served in World War
II and was recalled to fight in the Korean War (00:01:19:00)
 He chose the Air Force because he had a cousin who was a brigadier general in the Air
Force and De Young thought that that fact would help him (00:01:37:00)
 De Young loved his training; he trained at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas; because he
was in shape then, the training was not a problem (00:01:48:00)
o He only learned the basics at Lackland, including how to follow directions,
something that he did not do well before enlisting (00:02:07:00)
o The food was fantastic, the barracks were no big deal, the rules were a little rough
to exists to at first but everybody went through the same thing (00:02:31:00)
 After Lackland, he went to Amarillo, Texas for computer training; from Amarillo, he
went Omaha, Nebraska and Offutt Air Force Base, SAC (Strategic Air Command)
headquarters (00:02:57:00)
Deployment (00:03:15:00)
 De Young served totally behind the scenes; he volunteered for Vietnam twice and the Air
Force turned him down both times (00:03:15:00)
o The denials were partially due to the fact that by this point, De Young had a topsecret level clearance, which meant that the FBI had gone through his life with a
fine-tooth comb (00:03:23:00)
o At the time, De Young’s staff sergeant recommended the clearance for him and
De Young did not know about the process until it was complete (00:03:44:00)
 He made some friends but over the course of the years, they have lost touch; he did lose
some friends who went over to Vietnam (00:04:06:00)
 He kept in contact with his family through letters and by calling them; he tired to stay in
touch but some times it became difficult (00:04:28:00)
 For recreation, De Young played football for an Air Force team; not the Air Force
Academy team (00:04:53:00)

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Veterans History Project
Douglas G. Dean
(00:43:00)
Introduction (00:28)
Family and Friends (00:40)
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Born in Detroit in 1946. His dad died when he was only twelve. Had no
brothers or sisters. Lived with his mom in the same house for 57 years before
selling it.
From an early age he loved music. Went to grade school and high school in
Berkley.
Graduated Berkley High School in 1965. Briefly mentions his sports activities
in school. (03:10)

Pre-enlistment Years (03:15)
•

Dean mentions working for Berkley Lanes afterwards for 5-10 years. Got
married his high school sweetheart in August 1965. Joined the army in
November 1966 just after being married. Was informed by letter to report to
Fort Knox, Kentucky.

Enlistment and Training (06:37)
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•

Went to Fort Knox, Kentucky where he underwent basic training. Describes
his time there. Prior to basic training he was in the hospital for two weeks
because of pneumonia. Ended up making up those 2 weeks he missed. (07:52)
Mentions wife’s reaction and life with his wife. (09:06)
While at Fort Knox, he was trained for funeral/laundry/bath detail. Describes
the responsibilities of his work. Afterwards, he goes on to work in grave
registration in Vietnam. (10:28)

Vietnam (11:45)
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Was assigned to grave registration. Was responsible for the care of bodies.
(10:55) Only served there for 3 months.
Dean elaborates in some detail about his job in grave. His jobs entailed
plugging the wounds of bodies and the taking off of clothes of the wounded in
the hospital he worked for.
Prior to the service he had volunteered on many occasions in hospitals.
(12:40) Tells of one encounter in which one person he knew from basic
training came in and was in pretty bad shape.

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Describes in detail, how the wounded would come into the hospital. In one
case, a wounded man came in with a mauled face and was screaming when he
grabbed Dean’s arm. At that moment, he died right then and there. Dean had
to pry the man’s arm off his arm because he died right then. (15:05) Shares his
personal thoughts on the incident.
Dean mentions that he had no dreams about the event after the war. He
tolerated the work. Mentions that the work kept him up for 10-18 hours a day.
(17:04) Also tells of how the personal affects of soldiers were put aside for the
remains but also mentioned that the remains were sent back nude. (17:39)
Dean mentions how they would fly the bodies out of Danang, Vietnam and
from there fly them back to the states.
Mentions that when bodies came to them they would clean and dress their
wounds and then would be put in body bags to be refrigerated to wait for
shipping back to the states. (19:12)
Dean mentions that identification was sometimes difficult. Describes some of
the horrific corpses that came in that he worked on. (20:35) His unit was
responsible for the care of the bodies from the Vietnamese, Army, and the Air
Force, while the Marines took care of the bodies from the Marines, Navy, and
the Koreans. (21:03)
Mentions how Marine morticians usually worked on 400-500 bodies a day.
Describes one encounter in which a North Vietnamese soldier was brought in
and had his arms and legs broken. Mentions what the heat was like and the
state of the bodies after being exposed to it. (23:29) Still remembers the smell
and heat of war.

Korea (23:44)
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After three months he was sent to Korea where he worked in a mortuary. The
majority of forensic technicians and pathologists he worked with were
Korean.
Dean mentions that he never knew what he would see next in Vietnam. Over
90% of the guys he worked on were under 21. (25:10) Never did come into
any contact with any Vietnamese.
While in Korea, he went on one search and recovery mission looking for an
APC that exploded a few days before. Dean says that they found heads, a
couple of feet, and boots. (26:04)
Dean describes Korean funerals. They would beat their heads against the
casket and cry a lot. Left Korea in 1968.

Going Home (28:29)
•

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flying back to the states in a commercial airline plane. (29:11) Left from Cam
Ranh, Vietnam and flew to California. From California, he flew home to

�Detroit at which point he was out. (30:45) His mother was still alive at this
point.
After the war (30:51)
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After being discharged, he describes the time that he took care of his mother.
Mentions his divorce briefly. (31:41) After returning from the service, he
spent his time learning the carpenter and electrical trade upon which he found
a job working for his wife’s sister’s man. Had no problems adjusting to
civilian life. For a period of 10-12 years he worked for Neutron installing
ceiling fans.
Dean discusses his battle with pancreatitis and his surgery. Was in the hospital
for 9 months. Shares his personal thoughts on the war. Recommends that
youngsters spend a year in the military. (43:10)

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Veterans History Project
Lawrence (Larry) Dean
(00:27:00)
Introduction (00:13)
Pre-Enlistment (00:21)
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Born in Muskegon Heights, MI on June 30, 1934.

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Father’s name was Oliver C. Dean and he was of German descent, while his
mother was Catherine A. Robinson and she was of English descent.

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His father worked for manufacturer Manning, Maxwell, &amp; More and
eventually became deputy sheriff. Remembers accompanying his dad to
various places. (02:42) Father worked in sheriff’s department for 3-4 years.
His mother was a housewife in the 30s. (04:06)

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Describes briefly his time in grade school. Afterwards, he went to Muskegon
Heights Junior High School. (06:37) During his time there he was diagnosed
with epilepsy. Graduated high school but forgot to pick up his diploma the
night of graduation. Attended Moody Bible Institute in Chicago for two years
but couldn’t afford to continue and so didn’t graduate.

Enlistment and Training (10:55)
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Went to see the Army recruiter who told him that since he was 7 years free of
epilepsy attacks he was able to join. (11:20)

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Dean mentions that he took basic training in at Fort Sam Houston and San
Antonio, TX and then served at Valley Forge Army Hospital.

•

Had 10 years prior experience before working as a surgical orderly. Briefly
describes his time as an orderly. (13:05) Spoke to a nurse who told him about
an opening in the Army Medical Corps. Mentions that the army saw his prior
experience and sent him to work in that hospital.

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Briefly describes basic training. Dean remembers crawling hands and knees,
to the ground under barbed wire. (14:14) Didn’t receive additional medical
training. Spent his 2-year service time in Valley Forge Army Hospital.

�Brief Retirement Period and Enlistment Again (14:30)
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Upon his discharge, Dean married. He worked for the cities of Chicago,
Illinois and Pomona, Colorado as a garbage man for a while. (15:53)

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In 1968, he enlisted and was in the service again for 3 months and was than
dismissed by the army because he was an epileptic.

After his Service (18:19)
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Rapids in 1981. (18:24) Was married for approximately 8 years and then was
divorced. Briefly discusses how that came about. (20:01) He then moved
back to Michigan and lived where he is now for 23 years. Briefly mentions his
volunteer experiences with the nursing home. (26:48)

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                    <text>Grand Valley State University
Veterans’ History Project
Ollie Dean
World War II
41 minutes 7 seconds
(00:50) Early Life
-Born in Kalamazoo, Michigan
-May 1, 1927
-Family moved to Grand Rapids, Michigan during the Great Depression
-Father opened an automobile radio business
-Attended Ottawa Hills High School
-Graduated in 1945
(01:23) Enlistment
-Joined the Navy in early 1945
-Remembers Pearl Harbor
-Sunday football game between Washington and Chicago was interrupted by news
-Everyone was stunned at first before getting organized
-During high school was in the ROTC (Reserve Officers’ Training Corps)
-Did basic drills
-Target practice
-Paid a lot of attention to war through radio and the newspapers
-Enlisted because “it was just the thing to do”
-Only 17 years old when he enlisted
-Had to have parents’ consent
(05:20) Training
-Sent to Great Lakes Naval Station in Chicago
-Huge camp
-Lots of marching involved
-Made company commander because of prior involvement with the ROTC
(05:54) Deployment
-From Great Lakes was sent to Camp Shoemaker in California
-Spent 3 or 4 days there
-Boarded ship
(06:10) More on Training
-Had gunnery training
-Quad 40’s, 5 inch, and 20mm
-Had rifle training
-Had boat training

�(8:10) USS Cheleb
-Auxiliary Cargo Attack (AKA) ship
-Loaded with flour, rice and sugar
-Went to Caroline Islands after a brief ammunition supply stop in Hawaii
-Long voyage
-Stayed in Caroline Islands at Ulithi
-Warm
-Headquarters for Composite Service Squadron
-Massive dry dock for damaged vessels
-Japanese still had a base at Trook
-One night there was a kamikaze attack
-One plane hit the USS Bonhomme Richard
-Second plane crashed into a sandbar
-Traveled north and passed through a typhoon
-Lost some ships as a result
-Got to Okinawa
-Landing craft had been pushed about one mile inland from the storm
(11:45) USS Mt. McKinley
-Boarded the USS Mt. McKinley
-Destination was the Inland Sea of Japan
-Communications vessel
-Most likely gathering intelligence for the planned invasion of Japan
(12:10) More on the USS Cheleb
-Traveled to Caroline Islands alone without a convoy
-Did not zig zag
-No worries about Japanese submarines
-Went to general quarters half hour before sunrise and half hour before sunset
-Prime time for attacks
(12:45) More on the USS Mt. McKinley
-Remembers traveling to the Inland Sea
-Ordered to general quarters for a drill
-Changed to “not a drill”
-Attacked, but it wasn’t terribly serious, frightening though as he recalls
-After this wound up in Vladivostok (discussed later) and rejoined the Cheleb
-Details of the USS Mt. McKinley
-Huge, repurposed cargo ship
-Command and communication
-Had a destroyer escort
-Lots of electronics on board
-Japanese Navy was nonexistent at this point, so it was relatively safe

�(14:40) Sasebo, Japan
-Spent some time in Sasebo, Japan
-Post war/post Vladivostok on board USS Mt. McKinley (discussed later)
-Had been a primary Japanese naval city
-Massive cranes that could pick up ships
-Massive submarines were stationed there
-Saw the sub that sank the USS Indianapolis
(15:50) Naval Duties
-Manned a 5 inch turret
-Couldn’t see much beyond the scope
-Complex firing system
-Had to keep triggers compressed and “bubbles” aligned to actually fire the gun
(16:50) Vladivostok, Russia
-Impressed by the women’s aid in the war effort
-Introduced to vodka there
-Departed from there for Tsingtao, China
(17:35) Tsingtao, China
-Went to Tsingtao on the USS Cheleb
-Anchored 15 miles offshore because of massive tidal difference
-Very modern city
(18:40) Shanghai
-Went from Tsingtao to Shanghai
-Saw bodies floating in the Huang Ho River
-Came in with a hospital ship
-Tied up at Holt’s Wharf
-Docked in front of a British hospital ship
-Former British POW’s were on board being cared for
-Mostly doctors and nurses that had been POW’s
-Most were husbands and wives
-Kept in good shape by the Japanese to keep other prisoners healthy
-Invited their families on board the USS Cheleb for ice cream
-Took part in the evacuation of White Russians
-Met young woman and spent a leave with her
-She was terrified about leaving
-Destiny was either a prison camp in Russia or death
-Stayed in Shanghai for three weeks
-Not much prolonged contact with the Chinese population
-Locals never bothered U.S. troops
-Watched Chinese workers paint navy ships from their river boats
-Unloaded sugar, rice, and flour
-Doesn’t recall a Chinese military or police presence
(23:33) Philippines (Some time after Hong Kong, discussed later)
-First time seeing Japanese POW’s
-They were large men not the stereotypically small men
-They had been Imperial Marines from Korea
-Had stopped at the isle of Negros for water

�(24:45) Hong Kong
-Complicated way of getting into the city
-Sail directly towards a cliff, quickly zig zag, and once you’re around the cliff you see
the city
-Could not understand why the Chinese sector was called Victoria
-British sector had a Chinese name
-Only spent a week there delivering supplies
-Allowed to go ashore briefly
-Given a ration of three cans of beer
-Played touch football
(26:25) More on Shanghai
-Remembers ripping pants getting into a rickshaw
-Driver took them to a hole in the wall tailor
-Told to sit on a stool on the sidewalk
-Took off pants
-Left sitting there while the tailor repaired the pants
-Eventually got to see the simple, but involved repair process
-Involved spit and a primitive iron
-Couldn’t tell where pants had been ripped
-While sitting there without his pants he attracted a small crowd
-People just laughed at the absurdity of the situation
-No harm was done
-Chinese were orderly, courteous, and helpful
(28:28) Formosa (After Hong Kong)
-Went to the island of Formosa (now Taiwan) for water
-Only stayed there for two days
(28:45) Return Voyage
-Stopped in the Philippines briefly
-Went back to the United States
(29:10) More on Sasebo, Japan
-Stayed on the naval base there
-Some sailors went ashore and visited area where atomic bomb had been dropped on Hiroshima
-Note: Based on Sasebo’s location, Nagasaki’s location, and Hiroshima’s location they
most likely visited Nagasaki and not Hiroshima
-Returned and said that the surrounding area had not been directly damaged
(30:20) More on the Return Voyage
-Went up to the Aleutian Islands, Alaska and from there went down to Seattle, Washington
-Tied up at Piers 90 and 91
(30:38) Seattle, Washington
-Attached to a decommissioning detail
-Had a crew of fifteen sailors
-Removed critical equipment from ships
-Sealed guns
-Prepared ships for being towed to the boneyard at Tacoma
-Mostly worked on cargo ships (“Liberties) and personnel ships
-Stayed there for three months

�(31:50) Back to Great Lakes and Coming Home
-Returned to Great Lakes by troop train
-Left over transportation from World War I
-Told to buy three days’ worth of underwear
-Threw dirty pairs out the window
-Discharged at Great Lakes
-Parents picked him up and he returned to Grand Rapids
-High school diploma had been mailed to him
(33:20) Post War Living
-Enrolled at Grand Rapids Community College
-Only stayed for a month because father had a massive heart attack
-Took over business
-After that went into sales
-Worked in sales for fifteen years
-Traveled a lot
-Regrets not getting to see children grow up
-Enrolled in college (at Aquinas)
-Worked at a Kroeger’s warehouse at night
-Wife worked at Aquinas
-He and his sons got in for free because of this
-She was the first Protestant to get hired by Aquinas
-She was in charge of the dorms
-1966 to 1970 were the best years
-Going to college full time
-Working at night
-Building a cottage in Oceana County
-After college got back into sales because of a lack of teaching jobs
-Stayed in Michigan this time
(35:20) Reflections on Service
-“Grew up in a helluva hurry”
-Got out of the Navy when he was nineteen
-Upset that he couldn’t drink
-Joined the VFW so that he could legally drink at meetings
-Many young veterans were disenfranchised about the hypocrisy
-Feels he had good timing
-Feels that the Navy late in the war had been the safest bet
-Sailing in boats had influenced his choice
-Remembers never getting sea sick
-Remembers almost getting pulled off the ship during the typhoon
-Remembers black sailors being on board
-Segregated, but treated fairly well
-Used as servants to the officers
-Segregation bothered him
-Had been friends with a black kid in high school
-Remembers going to Idlewild with him and seeing Duke Ellington, Count Basie,
and Ella Fitzgerald there by happenstance

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                    <text>ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW
AUDREY HAINE DANIELS, Pitcher
Women in Baseball
Born: Winnipeg, Canada May 5, 1927
Resides:
Interviewed by: Frank Boring, GVSU Veterans History Project, August 5, 2010, Detroit,
Michigan at the All American Girls Professional Baseball League reunion.
Transcribed by: Joan Raymer, November 16, 2010
Interviewer: “Audrey, let’s start with your full name and where and when were you
born?”
My maiden name is Audrey May Haine. I was born in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada on
May 5, 1927. No, May 9th, I told you I would make some mistakes, meant to say 5/9/27.
Interviewer: “What was your early childhood like?”
I suppose it was not much different than any of the others at that time. I had a very good
childhood, it was a—my father really wasn’t there most of the time and when he was he
just upset the whole thing, do you know what I mean? We had kind of a bumpy road
there for a while, but we got out and played. We played baseball around the street with
the other kids. 1:28
Interviewer: “Where did you grow up? Was it on land or in the city?”
It was in the city of Winnipeg.
Interviewer: “So, did you live in an apartment?”
We had a house.
Interviewer: “All right, and then you went to school, did you walk to school?”
Yes we walked to school; we weren’t too far from school.
Interviewer: “All right, how did you get involved with playing baseball?”

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�With the kids in the street, I mean we always played baseball. We didn’t have to stop too
often to let cars go by because where I lived in those days there weren’t too many cars.
The doctor went by occasionally and we didn’t really have a good bat or a good balls.
Our balls were usually half ripped, but I don’t think it ever bothered us, we were out there
playing and had a great time.
Interviewer: “It was neighborhood kids? Did you ever play kids in other
neighborhoods? 2:30
No
Interviewer: “So it was just pretty much by yourselves. How was school for you?
Did you like school?”
Interviewer: Oh, I liked school very much.
Interviewer: “You got into high school I take it?”
Yes I did
Interviewer: “Did you have any idea what you wanted to do at that stage of your
life?”
I wanted to be a nurse.
Interviewer: “How did the opportunity to become a baseball player come along?”
I knew I had no opportunity to be a nurse for sure, and baseball was just something that I
grew up with. I didn’t just say, “I want to be a baseball player”, I just grew up with it and
I played for a team called the St. Anthony Brown Birds when I was fifteen or something
like that and I was a pretty good pitcher.
Interviewer: “Now, is this softball or baseball?”

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�Softball, so I moved up to the next bracket and I played with them for a year and had a
very good year.
Interviewer: “Now, this is just for fun and you’re not getting paid or anything like
that?”
No, absolutely not, this is just teams that were put together and you had managers and
everything that went with it, uniforms. 3:48
Interviewer: “All girls?”
Yes, all girls
Interviewer: “When did you first hear about the professional league?”
Well, I got a call from a girl who played in the league the first year and her name was
Dotty Hunter, she called and she said that a scout had seen me play and wanted her to get
in touch with me and tell me all about the league and see if I would be interested.
Interviewer: “Had you heard about it before?”
No, I had never heard about the league before, so I invited Dotty over to my home and
she told us, my mother and myself and my sister probably, all about the league and that it
was run on very high standards and that the players lived in private homes with good
families and that we got paid for playing and when on the road we had real money and
stayed in the best hotels. So, that sounded pretty good to me 4:46
Interviewer: “What was your mother’s reaction?”
Well, she didn’t react, and she certainly didn’t say, “no, you’re not doing that”, no she
didn’t, she always let us have opportunities when they came up.
Interviewer: “How old were you at that time?”
Fifteen

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�Interviewer: “So, they were offering you to play in the league at fifteen?”
I was fifteen when I got my contract and I turned sixteen that following summer and then
when I played and got to leave, I had just turned seventeen..
Interviewer: “What was your first experience? Did you go for tryouts?”
I never went to tryouts, and being young; I assumed I was on the team.
Interviewer: “Wow! Where did you go, to Peoria?” 5:46
First of all Dottie Hunter came and explained the whole thing to my mother and me
finally said I could go. I had never been more than one hundred miles from home or
ordered or eaten a meal out, so I was just about as green as the grass we were going to
play on, you know. I had never had any experience being away, so it was a pretty
exciting and nerve-wracking experience for me to join the other players from western
Canada and get on the train in Winnipeg and head for Chicago. 6:48
Interviewer: “You had never been on a train before?”
No, I hadn’t
Interviewer: “How was the trip?”
Well, it was nerve-wracking for me you know, you want to do the right thing and
everything is new to you and I don’t think I slept much that first night on that train and
the first sun-up I looked out and saw the wonderful rolling hills of Wisconsin go by and it
is a memory etched in my mind forever, those wonderful rolling hills and green grass.
Everything I did-- I was a little bit nervous about everything and when we had breakfast
on the train I just didn’t even know what to order because I had never been out. Seeing
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�was just baffled by it all. 8:05 It was just over whelming to me, but we headed out and I
guess most of the girls going were in the same position as I was.
Interviewer: “Had you met some of them at that point and you were talking?”
Oh yeah, I had met some of them and there might have been one from the team that I was
on going as well, but we headed up to Chicago and we were met there and they put us in
a hotel.
Interviewer: “Did you meet the chaperone? Did you have a chaperone that met
you?” 8:40
No, personnel from the league met us because at that time we weren’t assigned a
chaperone. You were assigned a chaperone when you were on a team. So, we arrived
and they put us up in a hotel and I think it was on the seventeenth floor. Alright now,
wow!
Interviewer: “Did you have a room mate in your hotel room?”
Yes
Interviewer: “Also from Canada?”
Yes, I think it was the player I had played with before. Then of course there was the
spring training the first day out there.
Interviewer: “What was that like coming out?”
It was—I was really nervous and self-conscious because I didn’t have all those clothes
and mind you there were others in the same bracket that I was, but I didn’t have the
clothes that they had. I remember on a hot day I had this pleated woolen skirt on and I
was just about melting, but you met these girls and they were from all over the U.S. and
Canada and you realized that they were in much the same spot at I was. 9:59 Spring

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�training went well and much like in the movie, they put up a list of who made what and
where. I was assigned to the “Minneapolis Millerettes” and it was a new team in the
league that year. Unfortunately the game did not go over well there because the field
where we played was too large for the type of game we played and it was just something
they weren’t ready for, so during the season, I guess halfway through the season, that
whole team went to Fort Wayne, Indiana where it was very successful. 10:44 I played
for Fort Wayne and our manager was Bill Wambsganns, who made the only unassisted
triple play in the world series in 1920, I believe, and he was great. So, I played for Fort
Wayne for two years I guess,
Interviewer: “What was your—going back to your first team, you actually played
for half the season though?”
Yes I did, we played half the season and the other half we were a road team. We were
called the “orphans”.
Interviewer: “Did your nervousness start to go away once you started playing?”
Yes I think it did a little bit, but I was always tense you know, you don’t get over that in a
week or two. 11:35
Interviewer: “Plus you were very young.”
Exactly, I had just turned seventeen.
Interviewer: “How did you rate yourself compared to the other players? Did you
feel like you were a good baseball player?”
Well, I always felt like I was never as good as the others, but I was a good pitcher, yes I
was
Interviewer: “Is that what you trained to be, a pitcher?”

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�Yes
Interviewer: “Did you play any other position?”
Never
Interviewer: “Same with me, I couldn’t play any other positions and that’s why
they gave me pitching.”
That’s probably the way it was with me. I couldn’t have made out it any other position.
Interviewer: “The first manager you had, did you learn very much from him? One
of the things I have asked the girls is that they knew how to play baseball, but the
managers gave them new tricks and techniques they didn’t know about.”
My first manager was—I can’t remember his name, but I don’t think he really taught the
girls too much. We were all so basically green that it was a big job to—but we gradually
got pretty darn good. 12:49
Interviewer: “Were you thinking at that stage the this was going to be your career,
that you were going to be a professional baseball player?”
No, absolutely not, no
Interviewer: “This is going to sound like a stupid question, but what was the point,
why did you do it then?”
Because it was fun and I got paid for it, I mean, it was something I loved to do and I got
paid for it quite well and I was able to send money home to my mother. If you’re a ball
player and you’re on a team and you’re doing ok, you’re not leaving it.
Interviewer: “So, what was the fort Wayne experience like?” 13:29
It was lovely, we had a lot of Canadians on that team and I played with them for about
two years and Bill Wambsganns was a terrific guy.

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�Interviewer: “Did he treat you like a woman or treat you like a ball player?”
Oh, I think he treated us like a ball player with consideration. We had chaperones of
course, who really took over that part of the job.
Interviewer: “You didn’t have to go through the charm school or any of that?”
I did, don’t you know?
Interviewer: “Well, let’s talk about that. You were a green seventeen year old.”
I thought maybe you would recognize that I had been to charm school. Yes, we learned
how to pour teas, how to sit properly, stand properly, how to walk with a book on your
head straight and tall, and we learned all those essential things. I think they only had the
charm school for one year as I recall, but we were all so bright we picked everything up
in one year. 14:45
Interviewer: “What was a typical day like during the season, you got up at a
certain time?”
Yup, got up and if we were home, probably had a practice scheduled and of course the
afternoon or evening baseball game and we had to be in the home or in our rooms when
we were on the road, two hours after the game. On the road we did—we went to a movie
or just walked around the city or things like that.
Interviewer: “Well, this is a new experience for you and you’re completely outside
of the home, what were you thinking?
You make friends and there were a lot of Canadians on that team, so we felt a bond you
know, so we sort of strengthened each other. 15:46
Interviewer: “there were older girls there too?”

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�They were mostly older than I was, but they were maybe eighteen, nineteen and even
twenty.
Interviewer: “What was your social life like during the Fort Wayne period?”
Well, very often we were invited out to dinner by some of the families, they were really
very good to us and I think that was probably our only social events that we got to go to,
otherwise we were pretty well secluded from—I mean it was practice in the afternoon,
game at night, so you didn’t have too much time to get into trouble, but we tried hard.
Interviewer: “What were the road trips like?”
The road trips were a lot of fun, but also very tiring, we played every day and double
headers on Sundays and got up and got on that—at first each team didn’t have a bus, so
that first year we traveled by train and after that each team got their own bus. We spent
the time by doing crossword puzzles, reading a book and singing the songs of , popular
songs of those days. 17:04
Interviewer: “Any particular memorable games during the Fort Wayne
experience?”
Fort Wayne? No, I don’t think so or maybe that was the year—that might have been the
year I pitched a no hitter. We were playing against Kenosha, it was a very drizzly day,
kind of foggy, and I was pitching against Helen Fox, who was also a Canadian girl and
very good, and we both pitched a no hitter because of course, the fog and the mist, I mean
we were just great.
Interviewer: “Once the season was over with you went back to Canada, you went
back home?”

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�Yes I did, went back to Winnipeg and back to my job. They always took me—I worked
for the Hudson Bay Company and they always just took me back and I left in the spring
and came back in the fall. 17:57
Interviewer: “They knew you were a ball player?”
Yes, of course
Interviewer: “Were you kind of a local celebrity?”
Well I was kind of because I had done so well and my picture was in the paper practically
after every game. I must sound like I’m kind of—but anyway it was because I had made
the record in strikeouts and stuff like that. Yeah, people treated you very good.
Interviewer: “So, Fort Wayne you did for two years and then what happened after
that?”
I was traded to Grand Rapids, to the Grand Rapids Chicks. I think I played with them a
year and a half and then I went to—Grand Rapids Chicks, I can’t remember where after
the Chicks.
Interviewer: “We’ll go there later. How was your experience with the Grand
Rapids Chicks?”
Great, all the experiences were great. You know, we were all young, we were just
looking for new friends and we did find them and you would always stay with a few
Canadians because you were Canadian. I always had about four or five Canadians that
went to have lunch together or whatever. The Californians probably stuck together and
that’s the way it went. 19:23
Interviewer: “Any memorable games when you were with the Chicks?”

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�No, I had some very good games, but none of them stand out except that no- hitter that I
pitched. I did pitch another no hitter during my days.
Interviewer: “How were the teams that you played against?”
Oh, they were very good, we had some absolutely marvelous players, and they were just
outstanding you know. When we first started playing, people came out to laugh—“oh my
gosh, girl baseball players”, but we showed them that we could play just as well as men
and gradually then the game did change into the regular baseball. 20:18
Interviewer: “So, you started out pitching underhand?”
Yes, and then side arm and then overhand.
Interviewer: “How was that transition for you?”
It went pretty well. When they transferred from the regular, from the size of baseball that
we were using to the regular hardball size, they sent us baseballs for us to work on before
we got to the spring training and Doris Barr, who lived on the same street as I did, just
per chance, she knew someone who allowed us to practice in the armory where we had a
lot of space and that’s what we did. 21:08
Interviewer: “So by the time you got to spring training, you already had been
practicing throwing overhand?”
Right
Interviewer: “Was that a difficult transition for you though?”
Not really, I don’t recall it as being, if I had to pitch overhand I would have found that
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�Interviewer: “Did your record change? You were pitching very well in the
beginning with the larger ball, but was there any difference in terms of your
record?”
I can’t tell you that, I just really—it’s not a secret or anything, I just don’t remember.
Interviewer: “Nobody complained anyway and said you were a lousy pitcher now?”
No, they didn’t fire me or anything. 21:52
Interviewer: “What did you think of the uniform?”
It didn’t matter what kind of uniform they would have given us, we would have put it on.
We were playing baseball and we were so thrilled to be there, but there was a lot of
laughing etc. of the uniforms, especially by fans in the first year, but I think most of us
liked to play in that. I cannot speak for all of them and I know that some didn’t.
Interviewer: “I guess what I’m trying to get at is, I know a lot of them did
adjustments. One of you said that when she first started wearing it and when she
went out to catch a ball she got most of her hands in her dress as opposed to getting
the ball. Did you alter your uniform at all?”
I altered mine because coming through on the pitch. I had to pin a large portion of the
dress onto the front so it wouldn’t go into that material. 22:52
Interviewer: “If you were on the bus and you needed to get off the bus could you
wear blue jeans?”
No, no, you had to have a dress or skirt on and no, we were never allowed to get off at
stops, so we followed the rules.
Interviewer: “The playing field it’s self changed, the distance and whatnot. How
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�Yes it did and yes, Philip Wrigley wanted the game to be faster and more like baseball, so
the pitchers mound was lengthened and the base paths were lengthened and now we were
pitching either side arm, I believe started side arm, and then side arm and overhand, so
those were the changes that were made and you could of course in regular softball you
can’t lead off now, so we could do everything that the major leagues could do. 24:03
Interviewer: “Then you were traded again?”
Yes, then I was traded to oh, gosh, the Peoria Red Wings.
Interviewer: “How was that experience?”
Very nice and I liked that team very much. We had a very good team.
Interviewer: “Any favorites of the three?”
I think Fort Wayne, I think because of all the Canadians on that team.
Interviewer: “Any particular hitter that you did not want to go up against?”
I know there were some that didn’t want to go up against me because I was wild at times.
Of course there were hitters that I didn’t want to pitch against. I mean they were good
hitters. 24:58
Interviewer: “By the time you got through several years now, were you looking at
this as something that was a lot of fun and not something you were going to do for
the rest of your life?”
Oh no, no, no
Interviewer: “What did you want to do?”
I wanted to get married and I had been going with my husband, previously my boyfriend,
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�Interviewer: “I guess that’s one of the questions that I have. How did you meet
him?”
Oh, we lived on the same block and on the same street.
Interviewer: “Oh, from childhood?”
Yeah, we never dated anyone else and now we have been married for sixty-one years.
Interviewer: “Wow! I didn’t know that.”
We’re going to stick with it. 26:02
Interviewer: “You’re finally sure of each other.”
Yeah, the trial’s over.
Interviewer: “Alright, so you knew him from childhood and you went off to play,
you came back and he was?”
He was there waiting. Actually we generally played catch most of the time. Walking
down the street, he’d go backwards and I’m be going forward pitching to him, but that’s
what we did.”
Interviewer: “Did he come to any of your games?”
I think he was able to get to—let’s see, one of the seasons, where was I at that time? He
came down to see me play.
Interviewer: “I understand he has a special picture he carries around with him?”
He does
Interviewer: “What is that picture?”
It’s of me in my uniform and he’s carried it around for all the years we’ve known—when
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�he still has it. 27:12 He’s very proud of it and I’m proud of the picture and proud of
him, maybe proud of him and then proud of the picture.
Interviewer: “What brought your baseball career to an end?”
Getting married, what could you do? I mean, yes we got married and I did play for a year
after that, yes.
Interviewer: “Then what, you got married and had a child as well, but did you go to
work of any kind? Were you still working?”
No, and then we were living in the states, we had moved from Canada and I played home
games for the Rockford Peaches.
Interviewer: “But then, you made a decision not to play anymore? The league still
went on didn’t it?” 28:11
Well, I made the decision because we had family and then another family and you know,
we added on and it was impossible for me to play, but I think family like probably just
became more important.
Interviewer: “Did you miss it?”
I think I probably did, no doubt about that.
Interviewer: “Some of the girls never even talked about their baseball career and
their kids didn’t even know about it. How about you?”
Same thing, because people made fun of you, like you told them you played and you
played men’s rules and they go and say,”yeah”, you know, “yeah, right”, so you felt
embarrassed, so there came a time when you didn’t tell anybody. 29:02
Interviewer: “How did that change because you came to a certain point in your
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�Absolutely
Interviewer: “Was it the movie that changed things?”
I think so and I think the movie helped a great deal, right.
Interviewer: “How did you hear about the movie to begin with?”
We had meetings and talked about this movie and that there was a possibility because of
the Players Association, we have a Players Association, and all news gets into the
newsletter and people have a chance to study it and that’s how it came about.
Interviewer: “Now, the association formally began in? I forgot what year it was, do
you remember?”
I do not.
Interviewer: “Were you one of the first members?”
Oh yeah, I was one of the first, I mean in that group.
Interviewer: “Right, we talked with someone who actually put together the original
database and contacted all of you and said, “we’re forming this association”. 30:05
After all those that have gone by and not talking about it, why did you want to get
involved with an association of ex ball players?”
Of course you’re—it’s in you and of course you’ve met all these young women and
everything. The girls you played with, I mean they were all important to us and they
were like family to us. After all we lived with them all summer and played ball and kept
in touch with them and Christmas cards and they were and still are a very, very important
part of our life.
Interviewer: “What did you think of the movie?

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�Well, I think we liked the movie because we saw that it was pretty well accurate and we
were happy with Madonna’s part in it. I mean, it wasn’t what Madonna was popular for
at that time, so we were happy with the movie. 31:13 I think we all really liked it, I did
anyway.
Interviewer: “Did it change your attitude about talking about the baseball
period?”
Yeah, it did, definitely, oh definitely because now people saw it and they were able to see
that it was pretty good and these girls could really play.
Interviewer: “In terms of reaction, people actually treat you almost like movie stars
because of that movie.”
Yes they do.
Interviewer: “It rubs off on me, I told my students--I’m a professor at the
university, and I tell my students that I’m doing this documentary and they’re
excited because I get a chance to meet you.”
It’s amazing you know, we can’t understand it, but now we’re used to it because it’s been
going on year after year and they come and, “oh my gosh, can I have your autograph?”
Come on. 32:15
Interviewer: “You seem amused by it.”
I am amused by it you know, by the way they are just lined up with a hat to sign or a
baseball glove or a card or whatever.
Interviewer: “Why do you think people react that way?”
Well, I think it was something different that turned out ok. It was pleasing to watch, it
was on the up and up.

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�Interviewer: “Now, you had a full life, you’ve had a family and you’ve had a lot of
other experiences, and how does that few years, how does that fit into the scheme of
things in your life? You obviously loved it.”
You’re asking me to compare that?
Interviewer: “Yes, somewhat.”
My baseball life with my family life?” 33:08
Interviewer: “Well, I’m not asking you for a comparison, if you prefer this or
prefer that, just where does it fit in terms of—some of the girls said, for example, it
was their first experience of really becoming a woman and having a more broad
understanding of life as opposed to being in a small town. Was it a like changing
experience for you at all?”
It taught me a lot. It taught me to be considerate, it taught me quite a few things you
know.
Interviewer: “At the very least you know how to pour tea, right?”
Listen, I was one of them that learned how to pour tea and if you ever need someone to
pour tea at some of your social events.
Interviewer: “I’m going to ask you about putting a book on your head and see if
you can still do that or not.”
I honestly—yes, we learned all that and I thought you would notice it. 34:12
Interviewer: “Looking back on it now you said you’re amused by how so many
people just get so excited about all this kind of thing and I had asked you why you
think people are so excited about it and you said because it was something unique
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�Yes they do, they really do. I mean, even now if we go out to eat or if somebody knows
that I played in the league, they are just all mushy. We get better service, we give them a
card and it just fixes everything up.
Interviewer: “I want to ask you a more philosophical question, it may be a tough
one. Looking back on that experience at that time, what do you think the All
American Girls Baseball League accomplished? What do you think they—I mean
they were a baseball team, there are lots of baseball teams.” 35:15
No, we accomplished more than playing baseball, we showed that we were as equal as
boys. Coming into sports and giving the women’s sports the same consideration that
you’re giving the boys and we did you know, chapter nine [Title IX] was passed for equal
opportunity in sports and I think we accomplished a great deal and we’re proud of what
we did, we’re very proud of it. If you’ve been through—I’m sure you’ve been through
and seen the girls and that and yes, we’re proud of what we did.
Interviewer: “Let me ask you a real stupid question. Why do you come to the
reunions?”
Because I love all of my friends and it’s so exciting. You come to see your friends,
absolutely; because they’re like more than just friends and some of them you probably
think are your family you know. Yes, that’s why we all come and I’m sure that you
might get a similar answer from many. 36:27
Interviewer: “One of the things about reunions that I’ve learned, because I got to
reunions of my fathers, for example, because of his military history. You get to
know people that you didn’t get to know when you were playing ball. Did you meet
some of the players that you never knew?”

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�Yes, absolutely, that’s true—that you never got to meet. You played against them, but
then you were a player and they were a player and you just hoped you got the batter of
them, but other than that, you come for your love of the game and love of the people you
played with.
Interviewer: “Did you have any involvement in the production of the film like some
of the women did?” 37:16
I happened to be an extra. I did get into the movie as an extra and it was great and I got
paid.
Interviewer: “What scene were you in?”
Ah, well when they were talking about the Canadians there was a scene there and they
were singing a song about the Canadians and there were about three or four Canadians
and they had us standing at the back and we were Canadians, Irish ones and Swedes, so
there were a few Canadians in that. Then I was in another spot too, but you know, you
have to be quick to see that.
Interviewer: “Were you in Cooperstown film at all?”
Yes and that’s in Cooperstown and that’s in the scene where we’re being inducted into
the Hall of Fame. 38:18
Interviewer: “Now, did you go to the induction?”
Absolutely
Interviewer: “What was that like?”
Incredible, incredible, I mean it’s all incredible you know, something that other people
have never done. I’m sure other people have done more important things, but this was
special.

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�Interviewer: “What was your reaction to the whole league being inducted into the
Hall of Fame?”
It’s fabulous, I mean we all figured we had it coming and we deserved it so to speak. We
played hard and a lot of people enjoyed our games and why not? 39:05
Interviewer: “My favorite scene in the whole movie, and I actually use it in my
classes, is the scene between Tom Hanks and Geena Davis where he says—“she said
it got too hard.”
Yes, that’s one of my favorites.
Interviewer: “That brings tears to my eyes whenever I watch that.”
It’s hard yes, something like everything is hard you know. Yes, that’s one of my favorite
spots.
Interviewer: “He says, “of course it’s hard, if it was easy everybody could do it”,
and obviously they couldn’t because only you guys could do it.”
Right
Interviewer: “Which is great. Well good, I’ve enjoyed myself and I hope you have
survived through this.”
Yeah, well I did my best.
Interviewer: “Thank you so much.”

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                    <text>ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW
NORMA DEARFIELD, Second Base
Women in Baseball
Born: 1928 in McKeesport, Pennsylvania
Resides: White Oak, Pennsylvania
Interviewed by: James Smither, PhD, GVSU Veterans History Project, August 7, 2010,
Detroit, MI at the All American Girls Professional Baseball League reunion.
Transcribed by: Joan Raymer, October 13, 2010
Interviewer: “Can you start by giving us a little bit of background on yourself? To
begin with, where and when were you born?”
I was born in McKeesport, Pennsylvania to Mr. And Mrs. James Whitney. There were
five of us in our family and I was the second oldest.
Interviewer: “In what year were you born?”
I was born in 1928.
Interviewer: “What did your family do for a living then?”
Dad worked on the railroad and my mother stayed at home and was a homemaker and
took care of all of us. 1:34
Interviewer: “Now with the railroad, was your father able to keep his job then
during the depression?”
He did keep his job, but he was on what they called the extra board and he went out when
they called him and he was one of his family members that, of the men, that still really
kept their job and worked. They shared with each other, food that they had gotten from
some of the places that gave out certain foods, so they shared with each other and made it
through. 2:08
Interviewer: “How did you get involved in sports?”

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�Well, when I was very young I always had a tennis ball, always, and I was throwing it
into the house or anywhere and catching it. I don’t know, I just liked playing ball and the
Christmas when I was about twelve years old, I asked for a baseball glove and my mother
told me that girls don’t get baseball gloves and I said, “then I don’t want anything for
Christmas, if I can’t have a glove, I don’t want anything”, so needless to say, I did have
this glove and it was the same glove I played--my dad bought me a good glove at the time
which surprised me, but it was the same glove that I still have today ad that I played in
the league with. We didn’t have organized sports at that time in our city, so we just
made up our own teams and played other cities next to us. 3:17 We played each other
and my dad was out coach and I just played until I was probably eighteen or so and after
high school I just got a job and I was working and I saw a little piece in the paper, just a
little tiny article, for tryouts in McKeesport, Pennsylvania for the All American Girls
Professional Baseball League. Well, I never had heard about it, I didn’t know anything
about it, so I called the girls on our team and I asked them, “let’s go out and see what this
is all about”, so when we got there seventy-five to a hundred girls were there from Ohio,
West Virginia and different places, so we got out there and we had to bat, field, infield,
outfield, slide into base, just everything they wanted us to do we had to do, so when it
was over they just said that they would send us a letter saying whether we made it or not.
4:30 I had gotten a letter to South Bend, myself and another girl, so then my dad and my
mother knew nothing about this league and they didn’t know if they wanted me to go by
myself, so my dad said, “I’ll go with you and I’ll stay for a few days to find out what this
is all about”. So, being that he worked on a railroad we had a pass and off we went to
Chicago to go on the train. He had a sister that lived in Gary, Indiana, so he stayed with

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�her you know, and would come back where we were on the field and stayed with me for
three days and talked with whoever he had to talk with and felt comfortable leaving.
5:20 Then I had to tryout there. Davie Bancroft was the one that was doing it the day
that I was trying out, was coaching us. I can remember we had to go out on a field at the
position that we played and I had never had a baseball hit to me, I had softballs and the
field was shorter and the balls were bigger, so the first time I fielded the ball, I did field it
and I turned my head a little and he pointed the bat at me and said, “if you want to play in
this league you can break your nose or knock your teeth out, but don’t turn your head”.
6:13 Now I’m more nervous and I thought I better do what I know that I can do, so I did,
so then I had to do everything that they expected of us to do you know and then when
that time was over eventually, I was told that I was going to stay and I was put on the
team.
Interviewer: “So when you got to South Bend and you were doing the tryout, were
there a lot of other girls trying out at the same time or just you?”
Oh yeah, there were many of them, I don’t know how many, but there were many of them
all trying out.
Interviewer: “Did you have any sense of where they were from or how far they had
come to do this?”
Not really, at the time I didn’t know them and I really didn’t know anybody, I was just—I
felt so alone, but you make good friends with them real fast and most of them were
from—a lot of them that I was friends with were from the states around here. 7:13
Interviewer: “But basically you were just going on with your life in Pennsylvania,
what kind of a job did you have when you were there?”

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�After school I got a job at the J.C. Murphy Co. warehouse and I worked there just filling
orders for the stores and things.
Interviewer: “The league that you were playing in, was it a women’s league or a
girls league? What was that?”
Back home? It was girls they were all girls.
Interviewer: “Did you have people actually come to watch the games or did you
just go and play?”
Oh yeah, the local people, we had not a lot, but they knew when we were playing and
they gathered around. We went to different cities close to us and played other teams
because we had to organize our own games ahead of time and schedule the women that
played. 8:16 We played from the time I started at sixteen I guess until I was called to go
to this league.
Interviewer: “What year was it that you joined the league?”
1949
Interviewer: “So now you have gotten the call and you tried out. Probably most of
those girls trying out at South Bend didn’t make the team, they had a lot of them.”
A lot of them didn’t I guess.
Interviewer: “Did they tell you right there whether you made the team or not?”
Yes, at the end of the few days that I was there. That’s when they told us if we were
placed or not and everyday we tried out and had to do something different and different
things you know.
Interviewer: “Could you hit as well as field?”

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�I did pretty good, I had a couple triples, but I never had a home run. I was a fast runner
and I could steal bases. I batted second all the time and most of the time if I’d gone on
from hitting I knew I was going to get to second or third. 9:22
Interviewer: “I’m going to go back here. You signed up with the South Bend club
at the start of the season or was the season already going?”
At the start and I left in, I think it was May, and I didn’t come home until September. I
stayed right there the whole time.
Interviewer: “Did they have any kind of spring training before the games started or
did you just start playing games?”
Well, we had some spring training and that’s—I can’t remember what field we tried out
at, but I was over in South Bend for spring training before we started.
Interviewer: “So, they were doing their training just right there. They weren’t off
in some other location that year?”
Right
Interviewer: “When you joined the team that year, were most of the players
veteran players who had been there for a while or did they have a lot of new ones?”
10:16
Most of them were veteran players who had been there over the years, but that was
during spring training and then I was put on the touring team which were all new players.
We toured the country, more or less, to keep baseball alive.
Interviewer: “The league had two touring teams didn’t they and they would travel
around together and play each other?”
Yes, the Chicago Colleens and the Springfield Sallies.

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�Interviewer: “Which one were you on?”
The Chicago Colleens
Interviewer: The Chicago Colleens, all right, they were all basically newer or
younger players who were doing this?”
Some were—we had one or two that were fifteen or sixteen and at that time I was
eighteen, nineteen.
Interviewer: “If it was 1949, probably twenty, twenty one. So, you were a little bit
older then?” 11:19
Older than some of them, but a lot were around my age or even older.
Interviewer: “Do you remember where you went, some of the places or states you
went to?”
We were in like thirty-eight states. We went through the Midwest and out as far as
Texas, Oklahoma, all in through some of the western states, South Carolina and Georgia,
almost all of them. I have little pennants from every state and I had one wall filled with
every city that we played in because we played in several cities in one state when we
would get there. We traveled all night.
Interviewer: “How were you getting around?”
By bus, it was like a school bus and not a very comfortable one, but we would travel
short distances some of the time and sometimes as long as two or three hundred miles to
the next city. 12:21
Interviewer: “All right now, what kind of reception did you get in the towns that
you played in?”

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�Oh, a lot, there were a lot of people and they were very receptive to us. They had a lot—
I’m trying to think, several times we had several thousand people there for the games.
Interviewer: “Are there any particular places you went that stand out in your mind
and you went to a lot?”
Not too many because we really didn’t have time to do a lot of sightseeing or anything
like that, but we had some time during the day, but most of the time it was just play ball,
take the bus to the next town, go to bed because you didn’t sleep good because you
traveled all night and then you had to get to the Laundromat to wash the clothes that you
had. You only had a little small suitcase and you weren’t allowed to take much of
anything. 13:32
Interviewer: “This version of the league, or this part of it, how much of the sort of
rules and regulations on dress or conduct or things like that, how much of that
applied to you?”
About the same as what was in the league. We were not allowed to wear shorts or slacks
on the street. We had to have skirts on. We could change in the bus, just pull them up
and take the shorts off and put a skirt on to go out. When I was in spring training I had to
go to charm school to learn how to sit and conduct yourself sitting, walking, drinking
coffee and things like that. 14:28
Interviewer: “Was this new to you or just new to some of the other girls, having
particular rules like that to follow?
No, pretty much at home we had to “yes ma’am”, “no ma’am”, we didn’t get up from the
table unless we asked to be excused and I still did that with my kids today, so it was easy
to do.

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�Interviewer: “Did they have rules about socializing or anything else like that? If
you were riding around on the bus all the time you didn’t need to worry about it.”
We didn’t have time to—like the girls in the league, they had more time to go out in the
evening, in the daytime rather and socialize, but we didn’t have very much time to
socialize. We were busy just playing ball. Every night we played a game including
Sunday and sometimes two on Sunday. 15:24
Interviewer: “What sort of people did you have in your audience, who would come
to watch these games?”
There were children and all sorts of people that were with them. A couple of servicemen,
you would see them in the crowd, but most of them were just families and people that
wanted to come and watch because they advertised ahead of time, so they knew. They
had our pictures in store windows and different things before we got there. 16:32
Interviewer: “Now, when you came into a town, did they ever do anything for you
or any promotional events or did you have to show up places for different things?”
Not too much, not too much because like I said, we were—by the time we would come in
most of us would try to get an hour or two of sleep because you had to try to sleep on the
bus sitting up on the straight seat. We had some free time that we could walk down the
street and look things a little bit over, but not too much, it was mostly all-Interviewer: “Alright now, you were playing in skirts right?”
Right
Interviewer: “You had these skirts etc. and you were a runner and a base stealer, so
did you have problems with “Strawberries” and all that?”
Yes I did, several times on the side from sliding, stove fingers. 17:30

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�Interviewer: “ You’re playing on whatever playing field is available too, so were
some of them in not so good shape?”
Some of them were not real smooth, but we managed and we played on them.
Interviewer: “Did the group of you traveling together, did you kind of make a good
set of friends there, being together with these women all the time?”
Oh yeah, even though we were two teams, we were all very close and we still are today.
Interviewer: “Did you play the full season?”
Yeah, I played every game except toward the end of the season I got hit in the eye with
an elbow, actually my manager’s elbow, and I had double vision for two weeks, so I
didn’t play. Then I went back on and I played every game, so after that I played, which
resulted in an eye injury later and it stopped my playing ball. 18:37
Interviewer: “How did you get a manager’s elbow in your eye?”
We were—a bunch of us kind of fooling around and it just swung around or something, I
think it was his elbow or something and so that—that’s the only time I didn’t play.
Interviewer: “But then you did not come back for the next season?”
Well, what happened was between the two seasons I went back to work at Murphy
company, at my job, and my sister worked there also, so I was coming home, got off the
bus and was walking down the street to home and I got terrific pain in my eye and I
grabbed it, that same eye that I had—it was like a very sharp pain, so I just pulled my
eyelid down because I thought maybe I got something in my eye and I said, ok,
everything’s ok”, and we went on until I got in the house. Shortly after I thought, “I can’t
see out of this eye”, so I would hold my good eye and I’d look at my sister of my mother
or my dad and I said, “daddy, I can’t see too much out of this eye, and I had a sharp pain

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�in it. I don’t know what’s wrong, but I can’t see very good”. 20:02 The next day he
took me to an eye doctor and he looked in it and said, “there’s something there, but I’m
not sure, I think you need to see a surgeon”, so he took me to an eye surgeon the next day
and he looked in my eye and he said, “you have a detached retina”. I didn’t know what a
detached retina was and I said, “What is that?” He said, “that means you’re going right
from here to the hospital”. I said, “oh no, I can’t” and I was dating my husband at that
time and he played “roller hockey’, so he had a game in Ohio and his birthday was
coming up and this was on a Wednesday that I was at the doctor and I said, “I can’t go,
I’ll come back on Monday”, and he said, “you’ll be operated on Friday, this is very
serious and we’ve got to get this taken care of”, so I was operated on Friday and I laid
thirty three days in a hospital with both eyes bandaged, they had to tell me when to open
my mouth and feed me, I couldn’t move, my bed was flat, my head was hurting, my dad
tried to get a little thin air pillow and they said absolutely not. 21:24 Back then you laid
all that time, so the last day I was ready to come home and the doctor sat on the bed
beside me, at the time I knew I was going to go to south Bend up in the league, so he
said, “your dad tells me that you play baseball?”, and I said, “yeah and I’m excited
because this year I’m going up in the league”, and he said, “I just hate to tell you this, but
you’re not going to be able to play baseball any more”, and I said, “oh yeah, I’m going to,
I have to you know”, and he said, “If you do you’ll have, if it detaches again, little or no
eyesight in that eye”. 22:18 Naturally my parents did not allow me to go and that kind
of ended my baseball career, which was very devastating. I really, really wanted to go
especially up in the lake you know, even though I enjoyed where I was, everything we
did. Then I had to wear those big pin point glasses with the little dot for about two

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�months after and I was led around like a—my dad had to build a box so my plate would
sit level and I wasn’t allowed to—if I sneezed I had to hold my head. I had a whole list
of do’s and don’ts. So, I guess at that time, so now when I go for new glasses my doctor
said, “Norma, if you had that detached retina today you would be playing ball in two
weeks because they glue it”, so that was the end of my career, but I’ve come to all the
reunions and stayed in touch with all the girls. 23:16
Interviewer: “Did you stay in touch with the girls immediately after you left or did
you connect after the organization formed?”
That’s part of it, I mostly was with the girls that I knew from the two teams, but the more
I came to the reunions I got to know everybody, so we just talk to anybody that comes
past.
Interviewer: “Once you stopped having to wear pin point glasses and all that kind
of thing, did you go get married then or what did you do?”
Shortly after, well no, we dated for a couple of years and after that he and my dad came
out a couple places to see me while we were dating. We played in Springfield, Ohio and
one place in Pennsylvania and I just—yeah, we dated and then after three years of that we
ended up getting married and I had four children and now I have ten grandchildren and
three great grandsons. 24:30
Interviewer: “In this case your husband knew you played ball, and did your family
know that, did your friends know that because a lot of players just went off and
nobody knew they had ever done that?”
Well, I don’t think anybody like in the city or anything like that really knew. My family
knew, in fact when we were in Pennsylvania and Ohio a couple of them came there to see

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�us play, but it wasn’t until after the movie that kind of—even myself I just went off, got
married, raised kids and I never worked after that and it just went on until I got a letter
one day to come to the film if I wanted to, so I went and I played in the movie. I played
second base at the end of the movie and other than that it was just life after baseball.
25:34
Interviewer: “Aside from getting an elbow in your eye, how do you think that
experience affected you? Did it change you at all or did you take anything with it?”
With what?
Interviewer: “The experience of playing in the league for that year.”
You mean—I’m not understanding.
Interviewer: “Well, basically the experience of having played professional baseball
for a year and going around with those teams and that kind of thing. Do you think
that had any kind of a lasting effect on you and did you learn something from it or
gain something from it that stayed with you?”
Well, you were just—when you were finished playing ball that was just the end of it. It
seemed like—it didn’t do anything after that and like I said, I got married shortly after
and just went on. It was just a lot of friendship that we made and I’ve kept them over the
years and I still keep in close contact with several of them mostly talking on the phone.
26:52
Interviewer: “It got sort of into the seventies and the eighties and you had things
like Title IX coming in and you actually had an effort to recruit girls into organized
sports and this kind of thing, did you pay much attention to that?”

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�Yes, I coached girls softball and was on the board of directors of the McKeesport Board
Association which then was starting to be organized sports, but I coached girls softball
for several years until—I even had to take the children with me, not when they were little
I didn’t get involved, but when they started getting bigger I got involved in sports and
like I said, I did coach girls softball and then stayed involved for a while in this
organization with them trying to get other fields because they didn’t have a lot for girls,
back in our town it was all boys. 27:56 Where I tried out at our local park in
McKeesport the park had a lot of property there we worked hard trying to—we wanted
to have a whole complex like four fields maybe and concession stands and that and we
got a lot of people to donate equipment and everything, but you know they—it just
wouldn’t go, they just blocked us in different ways. I guess it was going to cost them a
lot of money, the city, but we had a lot of volunteers, but it didn’t work out. 28:43 then
baseball just—you know you got older and kind of—I mean I’m still very, I mean I never
miss a game from the Pirates not seeing them, and I mean I do see several and I’ll watch
them and they will say, “are you still watching them Pittsburgh Pirates?” and I say, “well,
yeah”, it’s the only team we have, so I have to root them on.
29:03
Interviewer: “ I’m afraid I’ve been a Cubs fan all my life, so I know something
about following futility.”
You know what, when my daughter—my son-in law is an oral surgeon and he did his
oral surgery residency down at Charleston South Carolina and I would go down there and
the only two teams I could see was the Cubs or the Atlanta Braves, so I was—I have

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�relatives in Ohio and Indiana, so I’m kind of like a Cub fan also because that’s what I
watched when I was down there and that’s what they would watch. 29:54
Interviewer: “At least the Pirates have won a few world series in the past century,
so—to think back to the year you spent traveling around with the Colleens, are
there particular people who stand out in your memory? Are there particularly good
friends that you made and spent a lot of time with?”
There are several that I have stayed real close with, Toni Palermo, she was a shortstop, so
she and I had a combination there and there are several that I have kept in contact with at,
Jane Moffet, in fact I was up in New Jersey three weeks ago for—they were honoring her
for her life more or less, before baseball, during baseball and also her eightieth birthday
party, so there were about eight girls up there and they were the ones that were real close
here at reunions. I do, I stay in touch with a lot of them yet. 30:59
Interviewer: “Are there anything that happened, any particular moments in any of
those games that stand out in your mind?”
One game stands out in my memory, we were losing and two were on base and I got a
triple and won the game more or less, so you have memories like that and you kind of
clear the bases, but I wasn’t real big, so I wasn’t strong enough to get some of the home
runs, but I did have a couple triples, but it was mostly singles and doubles and things like
that. 31:42
Interviewer: “Were you a good defensive player?”
Yes, I felt I was
Interviewer: “So, you could turn a double play?”
Yes and Toni was really good at that too.

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�Interviewer: “She’s a dynamic character, we talked to her last year some. All right,
anything you would like to add to the record here before we close out the
interview?”
No, just that the memories have lasted forever playing ball. Like I said, we lost the part
we weren’t together, but you never forgot those days and the friends even before the
movie we were still friends with some of them and we still are. It’s sad when every year
we’re losing so many of them now, but I still keep pretty active. I go to aerobics four
days a week, I most days for an hour, I don’t know how far I walk, but I walk for about
an hour and I do a lot of volunteer work taking older people to their doctors appointments
and helping kids do thing, so I stay pretty active. 33:05
Interviewer: “That’s pretty impressive and thank you very much for coming and
talking to us.”
Well, I enjoyed it.

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                    <text>Grand Valley State University
Veterans History Project
William Deary
(1:38:17)
Background Information (00:07)
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Born in Pontiac, Michigan on July 31st 1925 (00:09)
William grew up in Pontiac. (00:20)
His father was trained as a painter in England. He was a painter contractor until the Depression.
At that time he began working in bakery car. (00:26)
William graduated high school in December of 1943. (1:18)
He learned of Pearl Harbor on the radio. (1:38)
He was paying attention to the conflicts occurring in Europe during the early 1940s. (2:00)
William thought that the war would be over before he would be old enough to be drafted.
(2:30)
William volunteered to be drafted into the U.S. (Army) Air Force in the spring of 1943. (2:56)
While waiting for his request and tests to clear with the Air Force, William worked in a GM
factory. (3:50)
William entered the Air Force on December 15th 1943. (4:15)
For basic, William was sent to Fort Sheridan, Illinois then Miami Beach, Florida. (4:26)

Basic Training (4:45)
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At cadet training in Miami Beach, William was assigned to be a gunner. (5:00)
At Miami Beach the men were tested on coordination, and physiological wellness. (5:49)
There was emphasis on physical training and discipline. (6:25)
The men lived in a hotel during training. The beds were replaced with cots and the elevators
were disabled so the men had to use the stairs. (7:00)
There was a mess hall constructed for the soldiers in Miami Beach. (8:08)
Miami Beach was not under blackout while William was there. (8:39)

Gunnery School (9:00)
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William was then sent to Laredo, Texas for gunnery school. The men were trained on the guns
they would fire and how to fire on and at a moving aircraft. (9:00)
To teach soldiers how to lead a target, the men were trained on skeet shotgun shooting, and
shooting off of a moving flatbed truck. (9:35)
The men were also trained on an automatic BB gun that shot at paper airplanes. (10:38)
The men were in Laredo for 3-4 months. (11:14)
The men were allowed to go to Mexico for 1 day. (11:26)
After Laredo, William was sent to Lincoln, Nebraska were he was assigned to his crew. (12:35)
After a week in Lincoln and a 1 week furlough, William was sent to Boise, Idaho were the crew
trained. (12:43)
In Boise the men practiced shooting at airborne targets. (14:00)
The men stayed in Boise Idaho for approx. 3-4 months. (15:15)

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William was very close with his crew. (16:22)
The turrets were assigned by height. The tallest person received the upper turret. The smallest
person was given the ball turret. (17:00)
William was assigned the nose turret. (17:29)
Williams first time in the air was in Boise Idaho. (18:16)

Voyage Overseas (18:50)
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The men were to be sent off as replacements. (18:54)
William was sent via Victory ship to Naples. Than he was sent by train to his base. (19:00)
He sailed out of Virginia in the fall of 1944. (19:10)
William traveled in a convoy and was required to wear a life preserver at all times. (19:38)
The seas were rough and there was a constant fear of submarine attacks. (20:35)
It took approx 1 month to get to Naples, Italy. (21:30)
The ships stopped once in Sicily. (21:33)
He went to the 450th Bomb Group. (21:53)
William was assigned a barracks to live. (23:00)
The radio man and the tail gunner had gone AWOL before they went overseas. (24:00)
The men were put in the air almost immediately after arriving. (24:35)

Service in Europe (25:00)
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William and his crew flew 8 missions. (25:04)
He served in a B-24 four engine bomber. (25:30)
The first mission William flew was in Southern Germany. The flak on this mission exploded 100
feet below the bombers due to tin foil used to distract radar. (25:40)
William was also assigned on a mission were a mountain was bombed to cause an avalanche
over a rail road. (26:50)
While attacking Vienna, the men experienced cloud cover and needed to bomb by radar. This
caused confusion amongst the formation of bombers. (28:57)
While bombing Albania, the men were assigned to bomb a bridge. The bridge was missed but
the town beside it was destroyed. (30:04)
On his final mission he was shot down after his bombs were dropped. The men bailed out in
Hungary. (30:50)
After he bailed out, William's parachute almost didn’t deploy. To his luck he landed in a muddy
plowed field. (33:00)
The copilot had died due to parachute complications. (34:30)
William was eventually discovered by Hungarian soldiers. (35:50)
After all the men were found they were transferred by German truck to a Hungarian air force
base. (37:00)

Capture (38:10)
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After they were captured the men had their watches, hand guns, and other things
confiscated from them (38:11)
The men were fed with cabbage or carrot soup. (38:44)

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One by one the men were taken from their cell and
interrogated. The men were threatened to be shot if they were spies. (39:10)
The men were then sent down to another cell were they
found a Russian pilot. (39:50)
William was held there for about three days. (40:47)
The Hungarian guards admitted that they hated the
Germans, but they hated the Russians even more. (41:30)
After being turned over to the Germans, the men were sent
to a larger town in Hungary where they stayed in a hotel-like room. Here the men were
interrogated once more by a German sergeant. (42:11)
After 3 days there, the men were given a ride toward
Vienna Austria. (43:00)
Once in Vienna the men were sent via passenger train to a
Gestapo station. (45:21)
While at the Gestapo station, French laborers their begged
William for his food. When the French were spotted begging, they were beaten. (47:05)
The men were then transported to an interrogation camp
that had fliers from all allied forces aside from the Russians. (48:10)
While at the camp, William was sent to a solitary
confinement cell 10 feet long by 6 feet wide. This lasted 3 days. (48:40)
The Germans knew lots of information about the men, such
as former work records, in an attempt to scare them. (49:58)
The men were not beaten. (51:07)
When released to a transit camp in Frankfurt in the winter
of 1944/1945 the men could hear guns for the Battle of the Bulge. (51:30)
The transit camp was very nice. The men had flush toilets,
springs in their bed and good food. (51:45)
The men were also allowed to watch (movies of) the 1936
Olympic Games and had access to the library. (53:28)
William voluntarily stayed at the camp with 3 of his other
crew men. The men were later shipped by boxcar to Berlin, Germany, due to overpopulation of
the camp. (55:07)
The train was attacked by an air raid. (56:40)

Prison camp near Berlin (58:04)
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Orders changed and the men were sent 30 miles south to a
ground force camp instead of Berlin. (58:20)
The prisoners were quarantined for 2 weeks due to a break
out of scarlet fever. (58:36)
The men were fed pea soup, and artificial tea. The tea was
often used for shaving because it was hot. (59:45)
The men were also given straw mattresses stacked 5 high.
Some of the beds were used for firewood. (1:00:50)
After 3 months, the food began improving because the men
were given Red Cross parcels. (1:03:05)

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The men had very little knowledge as to why the conditions
of the camp were steadily improving. (1:04:07)
There was a British compound on one side of the camp and
a Russian compound on another. The British compound had a radio that gave news on the war.
(1:06:25)
The Russians were constantly being beaten at the base.
(1:07:30)
William never had to fire his gun while in the air. He was
always afraid of encountering a German jet. (1:08:50)
William’s camp was liberated by the Russians in early
summer of 1945. (1:09:33)

Life after Liberation (1:10:06)
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The men from William's barracks were made the guards of
the camp. Men were not allowed out or in. (1:10:06)
He was ordered to stay in the camp several weeks after it
was liberated before the men could leave. (1:12:14)
The men walked 6 miles to an officers' camp that he was
made to clean up for American officers who would be arriving. (1:13:20)
While going back to his original barracks, William saw many
dead bodies, in spite of the fact that the war was over. (1:15:15)
A convoy came to pick up the American soldiers but the
Russians did not allow them to leave. Because of this, William and 2 of his close friends escaped
the camp and walked 40 miles to the U.S. line. (1:16:20)
After being picked up by a convoy, William was transported
to Camp Lucky Strike in France. (1:19:06)
William traveled back on a converted ocean liner. The trip
over was much faster and much more smooth than the one going over. (1:19:34)

Return the U.S. (1:20:21)
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After arriving in the U.S. William was given a 60 day
furlough. It bothered him that many were not given a good physical. (1:20:25)
William was then sent to Miami Beach. Here the men were
given better physicals. (1:21:16)
He was then sent to Laredo where William awaited his
discharge. (1:22:40)
William exited the military as a Staff Sergeant. (1:23:40)
William failed his exit physical due to a spot on his lungs. He
was transported to Denver, Colorado to be treated. (1:24:53)
William exited the military in May of 1946. (1:26:06)
His family was aware that William was missing in action.
They were not told he was captured. (1:27:26)

Life after Service (1:28:20)

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William first worked on the staff in a Boy Scout camp after
his discharge. He also wanted to return to college. (1:28:22)
While in prison, William watched smokers scrape tobacco
off the floor just to smoke a few puffs. (1:32:00)

Effects of service (1:33:30)
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William believes his military experience made him more of a
man. (1:33:33)

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He did make many connection and friends while in the
service. (1:36:00)

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Veterans History Project
George DeBaar
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(00:25) Background
• (00:25) He was born in Grand Rapids, MI, on the Southeast side of town. He was
born on Ewing Street, near the intersection of Hall and Kalamazoo. He was born
on April 13, 1923.
• (00:51) His father was a “huckster.” He sold fruits and vegetables out of a horsedrawn carriage, and later a truck. He had to add more services to the route later
because of competition with grocery stores. He was also a garbageman. He and
his wife had bought a house in 1927, and the Depression hit in 1929. They
managed to keep the house.
• (02:42) George’s mother was seven months pregnant when she married his father.
Both of his parents had been previously married and lost their previous spouses to
the 1918 flu epidemic. George had two half brothers, one from each parent.
• (03:34) He did not finish high school before the war. He dropped out after tenth
grade, probably due to boredom although he does not recall the exact reasons. He
finished high school after coming back from the service.
• (03:59) He worked at the Michigan Bakery on the corner of Division of Wealthy.
He helped load trucks. He did not follow international events at the time.
• (04:40) He heard about Pearly Harbor on the radio. Some of his friends enlisted
after the attacks. His father advised him to not enlist early, but to follow through
if he was drafted.
• (05:23) He was drafted in January of 1943. He was inducted into the Army on
January 15th, 1943. He signed up at Fort Custer in Battle Creek.
(05:55) Training/Enlistment
• (05:55) “Everything was a secret” in the Army. They were never informed of
their assignments until the last possible time. They got on a train without
knowing where they were sent. They realized lady they were being sent to Fort
Brady in Sault St. Marie. They used a ferry to cross the Mackinac Straits as there
was not a bridge at that time.
• (07:08) Fort Brady was cold and very snowy. They had “real winters” at Fort
Brady. He did basic training at Fort Brady, and was assigned to guard duty at the
Soo Locks and the Canadian Locks.
• (07:48) The main focus of basic training was getting into military physical
condition and learning military discipline. His stomach muscles ached from the
daily calisthenic routines. They exercised in a gym until the weather improved.
• (09:00) The drill sergeants were stern, but fair and respected.
• (09:48) He does not recall having disciplinary issues, but he thinks he probably
had some minor issues. Most of the men adjusted to the military well, but there
were some men who had issues adjusting. Just before they were to ship out
overseas, some of the men held up a movie theater.

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(11:38) At Fort Brady, they joined a pre-established unit. It was originally the
131st Infantry, and was later re-named as the 156th Infantry. He was in Company
F.
(12:10) They left Fort Brady in August and were sent to New York. On
September 5th, 1943 they shipped out.
(12:40) The Soo Locks were a “showcase” and they had to keep their arms
maintained especially well. They were to set “an example to the rest of the
world.” They were established as guards, and had a different assignment each
time. They were not Military Police, they simply served as guards.

(13:43) Active Duty
• (13:43) They were sent out the U.S.S. Alexander, which was a troop transport
ship. They were sent out in one of the largest convoys of the war. Some of the
men with a cynical sense of humor remarked “we’ll probably never see that
again,” when they passed the Statue of Liberty. They didn’t, because they came
back by a different route.
• (14:14) They hit a bad storm and the ship sprang a leak. They lost three men
overboard during the storm.
• (15:35) They had funerals for the three men lost at sea. The waves were very
severe, and sometimes the other ships would temporarily disappear underneath
them.
• (16:03) Their ship stopped at Halifax, Nova Scotia to be dry-docked. They were
put on the Queen Elizabeth, which already has a sizable load of Canadian
soldiers.
• (16:47) The Queen Elizabeth did not have a convoy, although it did initially have
a fighter plane escort. The ship changed direction every seven minutes as well.
• (17:25) They landed in Glasgow, Scotland. They were sent by a train to
Elfricone, England, near the southern coast.
• (18:00) They were trained for D-Day and trained in LCVPs, a type of small
landing craft. He was issued an M-1 rifle, and was in a rifle platoon.
• (19:49) They had several accidents in training. They were fired at with live
ammunition, while sheltered by a bunker. They were shot at with enemy
ammunition and friendly ammunition to learn the differences in sounds. During
this type of drill, a machine gunner accidentally shot thirteen men and killed five
of them.
• (20:46) Most men were inexperienced in that they had not seen combat. However
many of them were older recruits and had had more training.
• (21:22) His unit was recommended to do guard duty in London because of their
service as guards at the Soo Locks.
(22:32) Guard Duty in London
• (22:32) The CIA checked on them frequently. The blinds and curtains in all the
windows were shut at headquarters. Sometimes the CIA agents would stage
break-ins to see how quickly they were resolved.
• (24:05) He learned to recognize many of the top-tier men. He remembers liking
General Bradley. The guards had to check the identification of every man who

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entered the central room, even when they had just left for a drink of water or to
visit the restroom. Some of the officers under General Bradley resented being
stopped for their identification, despite the fact that it was standard procedure.
General Bradley simply followed procedure without comment.
(24:56) He does not recall other officers specifically. He remembers it being a
mix of American and British officers.
(25:40) When he was off duty he would have a good time in London.
(26:18) London was a temporary assignment, only until regular Military Police
came to the area. It took a long time for the MPs to arrive.
(26:41) Next they were assigned to Eisenhower’s headquarters.

(27:45) Duty in France
• (27:15) They guarded a headquarters building in Reimss, France for a while.
• (27:55) Later they were sent to St. Germain with Eisenhower. They also guarded
his home in Reims. His company was dispersed to serve as guards in a variety of
places, usually guarded different locations of importance to Eisenhower.
• (28:40) He went to London initially around the end of 1943, he went with
Eisenhower around 1944.
• (30:44) London had evidence of bombing from the Luftwaffe. They were still
under attack while he was there. They went into bomb shelters frequently, not so
much because of the direct blasts from the bombs because of the shrapnel.
Women operated the anti-aircraft guns.
• (31:47) Aircraft made large explosions when they crashed or lost parts. The buzz
bombs were “terrible” as well. He was nearly hit by a buzz bomb after breakfast
one Sunday morning. In the field they used trenches to avoid the bombs.
• (34:04) Once there was an air raid while he was on duty. A large bomb was
dropped somewhat close to him, but it was a dud. The Germans used
phosphorous bombs, to make them burn better. There was an arms race in terms
of the explosives. He was never close enough to a bomb to feel the shockwaves,
but he did hear them very frequently. He did not see Eisenhower very often in
London.
• (37:51) They had come to France about twenty days after D-Day. They went to a
French town called Bayeux, which was demolished.
• (39:06) They went over beaches, and past hedgerows. The first night they used
pup tents. The Luftwaffe came over them in the night at around 11:00 pm, and
they felt vibrations. It turned out that they were very near an anti-aircraft cannon.
During that night, he wondered what was going on.
• (41:01) They kept going on through France, and stayed in tents mostly.
• (42:20) They served as guard behind the lines, but sometimes not as far behind as
he would have liked. They were never under artillery fire, but they were
frequently under aerial bombardment. Some other men in his company were
probably under artillery fire.
• (43:00) They saw civilians in France. They did not communicate with them
much, because of the language barrier. The outdoor public urinals in France
shocked him. They were often greeted by French families.

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(43:41) He remembers one of the men got eggs sometimes by trading them for
cigarettes. The fresh eggs were a luxury, and they usually had powdered eggs.
Sometimes he had better food when he was at Eisenhower’s house.
(44:57) They did sometimes spend time with the English.
(45:06) After Reims, he spend some time in St. Germain. He was there during
the Battle of the Bulge. They met with the CIA each day for thirty three days.
The CIA had used motorcycles.
(46:56) Next he moved to Versailles, and he was again with Eisenhower. He had
main gate duty, he thinks it might have been because tall. They usually knew
who was coming to visit Eisenhower ahead of time.
(47:57) He saw Patton once, but that was later. His company used two jeeps to
guard Eisenhower. Motorcycles had been used previously, but they proved
unable to endure the cobblestone roads. The men using the motorcycles were also
hurt.
(49:03) He was selected to drive a jeep; it was his favorite assignment.
(49:49) He drove the jeep without the top on, and frequently drove it as fast as it
could go. It went only about seventy miles an hour or so, and at one point he had
trouble keeping up. He usually took orders from Eisenhower’s driver.
(55:55) He was a PFC at this point. His supervisor commented that he should
have a higher rank and offered to get it taken care of, but he declined. The reason
he was only a PFC was because he had had some personality conflicts with a
superior officer earlier on.
(52:39) He had come up for Corporal in the Infantry, but he turned the position
down. The commissioned officers and the non-commissioned officers had some
conflicts, and he decided to side with his friends. His superior officer resented his
rejection of the post, and gave him the duties of a Corporal without the pay or
rank increases.
(54:39) He went in to Paris a few times, the public urinals on the street shocked
him.
(55:13) The French weren’t usually after their money, but the English sometimes
were.
(55:54) He went under the Eiffel Tower, and passed the Arc de Triomphe and
went to Versailles. He visited where the WWI Treaty had been signed.

(57:40) Service in Germany/Post-War
• (58:31) He went to Germany after the war ended. He was in Reims when the war
ended.
• (58:53) Eisenhower had his own cow in Germany. Sometimes he and
Eisenhower exchanged pleasantries, but sometimes Eisenhower seemed weighed
down by his responsibilities and did not speak much.
• (01:00:06) Sometimes when Eisenhower was away, his men would drink too
much and otherwise take advantage of the situation.
• (01:00:43) He hated powdered eggs, and while with Eisenhower he sometimes
got real eggs and real milk.
• (01:01:37) He usually got the better food by being friends with the cooks. Some
of the cooks were black. He sometimes saw black soldiers, but not often.

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(01:03:31) He did not see German representatives up close, but he sometimes saw
them in cars. Eisenhower took over a train formerly used by the Germans. He
would accompany Eisenhower on train trips occasionally.
(01:05:51) Eisenhower had a Headquarters in Frankfurt, and a home elsewhere in
Germany. The GI’s sometimes evicted Germans from their homes. Eisenhower
had a very nice house in Germany. He also had several Cadillacs, one was
armored.
(01:06:42) There was to be no fraternizing with the Germans, even after the war
was officially over. However, there was fraternizing, and frequently. This was
“on the sly.”

(01:09:04) Post-War
• (01:09:04) He had Thanksgiving on the boat back home. The movements of the
sea moved their food around on the tables.
• (01:09:35) The Queen Elizabeth was the best ship. While on the Queen Elizabeth
it was incredibly crowded. He did not have bad weather on the Queen Elizabeth.
They took the Queen Elizabeth to Europe.
• (01:10:54) Eisenhower took over the IG-Farben building in Frankfurt, which
was at that time the largest office building in the world.
• (01:11:48) He saw many displaced persons. They were transported about by
train. He felt sorry for them, but he didn’t interact with them much.
• (01:13:57) “The American people don’t know what war is, it is hell.”
• (01:14:13) While in Germany they would rope off an area and search the homes.
They would search for weapons primarily. They would first ask if they had any
weapons, and if they were told truthfully if they had some, they simply
confiscated them. There were heavier consequences if they were lied to. They
also asked for any drawers or cupboards to be unlocked, if the Germans would not
unlock them, then they would smash them. They didn’t usually find much.
• (01:16:49) They were somewhat worried about a Nazi resurgence. While in
England they had been taught for hours and hours “kill or be killed.” They had
taught hand to hand combat.
• (01:18:23) They landed in Boston, and he went to Chicago. He took a train to
Kalamazoo, and then took a taxi to Grand Rapids with some friends. They split
the cab fair.
• (01:19:14) He was discharged December 8th, 1945. He arrived home on about the
tenth. One of his friends came to his house, and then he and his family dropped
his friend off at his church.
• (01:20:09) He still sees his friend, Bill, for lunch occasionally.
• (01:20:39) After the Army, he lived off his stipend for awhile. He did not go to
school on the GI Bill. He worked at Keeler for thirty-nine years.

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                    <text>At the start of this COVID-19 lockdown, I was forced to move back home across state. On top of the
large loads of online homework and exams, I found myself working 50 or more hours on my family’s
farm in Capac, MI due to the inability to receive migrational wrokers from Mexico. This only increased
my stress during the pandemic and forced school to become a second or even third thought when it
should come first. My daily life at home consists of waking up at 5:00 am to have a cup of coffee or four
and start my trek to the farm that is 40 minutes away. Life on the farm is a nonstop race against time
and a battle against mother nature that is found in a symbiotic relation. From picking and packing
rhubarb that we ship all throughout the mid-west, to spreading hundreds of acres with fertilizer for
pumpkins, gourds and many other fall products, to working ground for organic kale and collards. What I
feel we lose sight of in a national state of emergency is that some peoples world may feel that they
stop, others seem to spin twice as fast.

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World War II, 1943-1946
John DeBoer
Length: 57 Minutes
Pre-War
Born in Paterson, New Jersey in 1924, and graduated from East Side High school (0:39)
His father worked on a bread truck and sometimes as an electrician, while his mother worked at a
grocery store (1:38)
They took in one of his nieces after her family was broken up (2:10)
He was working as a tool and die apprentice, working in job shop with German nationals who
could not get a job in areas related to defense (2:56)
They did not talk about Germany so he did know what they thought of the Nazis (3:10)
He paid little attention to the news before Pearl Harbor; he heard about Pearl Harbor in a friend’s
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He decided to join the military afterward; he picked the navy because he did not like marching
and he was interested in it (4:58)
Training
He enlisted in February, 1943 (5:15)

�He was sent to Sampson, New York for boot camp; boot camp was a breaking down process
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When he was there they had to strip, go through a line to get a physical, then get a shot, wait in
line for a psych exam and then they were given clothes (6:01)
Boot camp ended after 6 weeks and then he was sent to radio school (6:28)
He got a second class radio license from radio school; he basically learned to copy down Morse
code (6:42)
He found that it was harder to send a message than it was to receive them, because it was easier
to write messages down (8:01)
They kept building up the speed required that he had be able to write down the messages, but he
does not remember anyone who had a hard time with that (8:30)
He finished radio school after three months, May of 1943 (9:43)
On the Edwards
He was assigned to the USS John D. Edwards, a Clemson class destroyer that was built in 1919;
it had torpedoes, depth charges, and anti-air guns as its main weapons (10:26)
He joined the ship in Charleston, South Carolina; it was in dry dock under repair (10:46)
There were 20 men and 12 officers on the ship (11:58)
Their first trip was to Trinidad ; he got sick but did not get sick again; he was given shore patrol
duty. He was given a club to keep the sailors in line (13:52)

�After they left Trinidad, they crossed the equator and did the “crossing the line ceremony” which
helped break up the monotony (15:33)
They had an ice box but not a refrigerator, so after they ran out of ice, they had to use
dehydrated food. They had a condenser that would allow them to turn salt water into drinking
water (15:49)
He slept in the after quarters by the fuel tanks ( 16:33)
This was in the summer of 1943, but they were not hit by any storms (17:06)
They crew was cycled through, but the commander of the ship, a lieutenant commander was
removed because he could not dock the ship well, and was replaced by a lieutenant who was very
good at his job 18:18
The ship, in dry dock, had been converted from a four, to a three, smokestack ship 19:34
They went to Maine after the first cruise, after that, they did convoy duty to the Mediterranean
and lone patrols of the East Coast (21:21
First convoy was to the Mediterranean; on the convoy duty they were on the outside of the
convoy using their sonar to find subs (21:48)
Convoy Duty
They used a mix of destroyers and light cruisers as part of the escort (21:51)
Later in the war they added carriers as part of ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare) because there
were areas of the Atlantic that could not be covered by ground based aircraft (22:06)
Later in the war they could drop sonar buoys to find subs more easily (22:38)

�The convoy went to Tunisia to drop off supplies (22:58)
They were attacked by German bombers in the Mediterranean (23:40)
This was part of the German effort to try to cut off Malta (24:11)
They stopped in Gibraltar and he was able to pick up supplies and sonar (25:00)
They crew was more experienced and worked well together by this point (25:02)
He slept in the aft crew quarters which rolled with ship making it hard to sleep at times (25:25)
During bad storms they would eat sandwiches under the decks but normally they would eat on
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He was never worried the ship was going to sink, but bad storms could be very dangerous
(26:58)
It was important to have a good helmsman to help them avoid the worst of the storms
They stopped at Casablanca, Bizerte, and Azores (27:54
The Azores, which was part of Portugal, was neutral, so they were limited to how often they
could stop there (28:21)
On the way back they stopped in Bermuda (28:43)
His favorite port was either Boston or Casco Bay (28:52)
When they stopped in Casco Bay they had to ride a whale boat to land (29:13)
They had many contacts with U Boats and dropped many depth charges but they were never able
to confirm that they sunk any of them (329:41)

�His ship was involved in chasing down U-544 which was sunk by fighters (30:48)
He was part of a submarine hunting group with the USS Guadalcanal, a carrier, and three other
destroyers (31:15)
They able to find the subs because of the breaking of the Enigma code (32:13)
None of the ships he was with were sunk (33:10)
They never got off the ship in Europe; they did most of their refueling on tankers at sea (33:45)
Because they had the junior commander they always refueled last (34:22)
They refueled by throwing lines across they ships (34:32)
After they sank the U-544, one of the planes crashed on the carrier meaning the two other planes
had wait until it was dark and one of the planes missed the carrier and they had to be rescued
from the ocean (36:330
On his first trip, the carrier lost half of its planes and air crew (36:59)
Afterwards they were in the Caribbean in on submarine patrol (37:20)
The food was criticized even though they did not have refrigeration which made it hard to keep
the food good (37:48)
It was a challenge to move the food to lower decks when storms broke out because much of it
was cooked on the deck (38:28)
Flight training
He put in for flight training, which his captain okayed, even though he thought it was crazy.
(40:18)

�He left the ship in 1944 after he was accepted in flight training (40:28)
He was sent to school in Murray College and University of Georgia to study physics and
navigation and other flight related areas before he started flight training (41:19)
The survival training taught him how to build snares, hand to hand combat, and other
information needed to survive on the ground (42:23)
He took his preflight in Memphis Tennessee; he was the first in his class to fly solo (44:00)
Most of the preparation was learning navigation and flew a Stearman Biplane (44:40)
He was taught about carrier landing and during his first solo flight he almost overshot the runway
(45:50)
After that he learned aerobatics and other maneuvers (46:15)
He left the military in 1946; he finished his flight training. He was told that once the war ended
he could leave at any time even though he was signed up for five years (47:37)
When they were not flying planes they spent time in Memphis and playing cards (48:17)
Segregation was very notable because the town next to the base, Millington, Tennessee was
100% black (49:00)
They also sank a tug off the coast of Florida. They picked up a ship on the radar, they
challenged it and they got no response. They tried to light it up with comet shells but got no
response; they turned on the searchlight and found out it was an American tug (50:50)
After the war, he went back to tool design, but joined the telephone company (51:20)
He could have gone to college but did not (52:10)

�He did maintenance of switches for the telephone company; he retired from the phone company
after 35 years. (53:32)
He moved to Michigan because they had enjoyed coming to the lake (54:08)

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                    <text>Speaking Out
Western Michigan’s Civil Rights Histories
Grand Valley State University Special Collections
Interviewee: Jacqueline Decker
Interviewer(s): Emma Jack
Supervising Faculty: Danielle Lake
Location: Grand Valley State University Special Collections
Date: October 26, 2011
Runtime: 01:08:05

Biography and Description
Born March, 3rd 1959 to parents Richard and Eve Holland. Youngest of three children with
brothers Gary and Terry. Grew up in Grand Rapids, graduating from Crestwood high school. She
then continued her education at Central Michigan University with a major in English and a minor in
psychology. Ran cross country and track and field on the varsity teams. Met her husband (now of 30
years), Steven Decker in the dorms on campus in her freshman year, his sophomore year. Was
married at age 22 and moved to Fremont, Michigan following her husband’s job at Gerber, while
being a sports journalist for the Grand Rapids press. After several years she felt a calling to return
to school and become a teacher. On July 18th, 1989, her first [adopted] child Zachary Michael was
born. She and her family then moved to Rockford to start her new job as a teacher. On July 22, 1991,
her second [adopted] child Andrea Lin was born. On August 16th, 1992 her last [biological] child
Samantha Louise was born. She has been an English teacher at Rockford High School for 20+ years.
She has also provided a home for several pugs over the years, those now being Molly (8 years old)
and Crissy (11 years old).

Transcript
JACK: Hi, my name is Emma Jack and I’m here today with: Brooke Davis, Brittany Renninger, Kevin,
Samantha Decker; and we are going to be speaking with Jackie Dekker today at GVSU. We are here
today to talk about your experiences with education in west Michigan.
DECKER: How are you today?
JACK: I’m great, how are you?
DECKER: I’m great, thanks
JACK: So tell us a little bit about yourself and your background.

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�DECKER: My name is Jackie Decker I was born in Blodgett Hospital in East Grand Rapids on 3/2/59. My
parents were college sweethearts form Comstock park, I have two brothers one 9 years older, one 5
years older, from Comstock park and Byron center respectively.
JACK: What was it like to grow up in west Michigan?
DECKER: It was a typical 60’s lifestyle. Two parent homes and my elementary was just a neighborhood
school until 4th grade and then a bunch of kids were bused in. 456 grade were an integrated school.
Middle school was typical only two families that weren’t Caucasian. One family was black, and one
family was Asian. I went to Creston high school, which was pretty much considered an inner city high
school, which was 2/3 of the neighborhood.
JACK:x What made you decide to stay in west Michigan?
DECKER: I didn’t think I would because Grand Rapids was a dying town when growing up, and I wanted
to move as far away as possible. But once your from west Michigan its hard to get away. I currently live
in Rockford with surprisingly a lot of my classmates from Creston High school. I believe a lot of people
like west Michigan not only for the lakes, which are great. It has changed a lot since the 50’s 60’s
lifestyles but the same family values that I grew to appreciate are still intertwined in society.
JACK:x How would you describe your own identity? If you were to describe yourself to someone else
how would you describe yourself?
DECKER: I grew up congregational, I now go to a Methodist church, but I could probably go to any
Christian church and feel good about myself while doing so. I have strong family values, I like it when
people get married and have children and family life. I wouldn’t discriminate against people who don’t
live that way but I still have some of those same strong family values. Very strong work ethic put forth
the very best effort I can. Its still surprising that some people can get away with what they can by doing
so little work.
JACK: How would you describe your identity in the school system?
DECKER: Probably in the same way. I usually don’t leave the school until about 4:30 compared to some
others who take off right after class, etc. They know that I participate in students’ athletic events,
speaking at special events (fellowship Christian athletes). I have the gay/straight association in my
classes. Most kids would say that I’m a very challenging teacher because I make them work hard but at
the same time they would consider it a safe haven.
JACK: What do you teach?
DECKER: I teach honors English 10 and regular English 11.
JACK: Can you explain a little more about the fellowship Christian athletes?
DECKER: It’s not always athletes; we have a huge contingent of students in the school who really go to a
Baptist church. A huge mega Baptist church, and a lot of them start and have gotten involved in that.
They get together pray. We get together talk and ask how I got into teaching, and I felt led to go into

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�teaching. They meet on wed and I have two groups of kids that meet in my room on Mondays. On
Fridays about 20 kids come in and sing praise songs.
JACK: So you really have open doors to any organization.
DECKER: Absolutely.
JACK: Would there be any kind of organization you’d keep your door closed to?
DECKER: The anime club, because I don’t know how to draw hahaha just kidding
JACK: Was there a particular moment either growing up or in your adult hood where you felt you were
treated differently because of your profession or your gender?
DECKER: I would say even though there are more female teachers in our school system at Rockford it is a
male dominated school system. The principal at my building is a female, and most buildings have female
in some capacity in a leader figure.
JACK: How would you describe the differences between men and women in the school system?
DECKER: Men get away with so much more than women. If I swore at children or made a racist joke I
would get in a lot more trouble than a guy would get in trouble for.
JACK: Did your school system have a male superintendent or a higher up male personnel?
DECKER: We never had a female in any of those higher positions, we have a superintendent and two
assistant superintendents, both male. People are almost fearful to speak out a lot with these issues.
JACK: So its something that has been noticed in your community?
DECKER: Our school board is eclectic. But any time someone runs for the school board they all say
they’re going to make changes, but they just ultimately do what the superintendents want them to do.
JACK: Do you feel like that inhibits you from doing the things you want to do in your classroom?
DECKER: It doesn’t inhibit me from doing things within my classroom for the most part. I’m not a buddybuddy with the principal. Him and the other teachers know what I stand for and they know I’m doing a
good job so they leave me alone. I’m in a hallway with only one other teacher.
JACK: I know your in a system where all the other English teachers are all male, do you feel like that
inhibits you from doing the things that you wish you could do, do you feel intimidated?
DECKER: No not really. They’re big sci-fi fans so they want to read all these sci-fi books, but I’m not
afraid of them at all. This past year some of them honored me for teaching and said I really deserved it.
In there own way they have there own little boys club too.
JACK: But they respect you?
DECKER: Absolutely, I don’t have that at all from any of the men in our department.

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�JACK: Is it true that you did not start your career in education?
DECKER: Nope I started my career as a sports reporter for the Grand Rapids press covering high school
sports.
JACK: What do you think led you to become a teacher from that?
DECKER: I just got a feeling that god wanted me to be working with high school students in a different
way. When I was in high school I didn’t like the other students because I had brothers that were much
older and parents who were much older. I thought they were kind of stupid and did dumb things. I kind
of grew up old. I felt that there was need there and this will be my 22nd year.
JACK: Were there people in your life that encouraged you to think about the treatment of diverse
individuals in society?
DECKER: I had an uncle who he really had a negative view of people that were diverse. He said a
derogatory statement at the table, and I ended up standing up and leaving because I was really mad. He
had a very negative view of blacks. I had a great 5th and 6th grade teacher, he really made an impact on
me on how these people are just different than I am with really no difference. About 5 years after i
moved onto high school he became a defense attorney in grand rapids and defended the people who
couldn’t get anyone else to defend them, he really changed the way I look at people.
JACK: Have you kept in contact with him?
DECKER: I used to seem him at road races (we were both runners.) I haven’t seen him in a long while,
but every now and then there’ll be case where nobody wants it and he’ll swoop in and take it on. He is a
champion for the underdogs and different races. He really changed my life.
JACK: Would you say he’s a big impact on how you treat students today?
DECKER: I would say so. Just the way he looked at people, I look at people differently because of that.
My parents had prejudices, but they didn’t have mean prejudices, they just had prejudices born on
ignorance and I wouldn’t say that they were like my uncle. But they were prejudice. One young man
asked me out on a date that happened to be black, and I said it wasn’t a very good idea because of the
fact that neither of our parents were going to think that it was a good idea. But I would say that Mr.
Dorian? Changed my view of things.
JACK: Is it difficult for you now to come into a society where everything is so mixed and you have to be
accepting?
DECKER: No. Teaching has been a great place for me to be. I see all different types of students that really
open my eyes to how diverse people can be. I have grown to be accepting of these students, because
they’re great kids. I have a daughter (not Sam) that came home a month or so ago with a pierced
eyebrow and now kids are piercing their ears, and various other facial parts. We are adoptive parents.
Our son was adopted when he was 2 days old from Tacoma Washington. He’s Caucasian. Our daughter
Andrea’s birth mom is 100% Vietnamese, and she was a student at Calvin college. She gave birth to

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�Andrea and now she is a part of our family. My mom lost a brother, he was in a control tower on a naval
vessel, and a kamikaze hit the control tower so she had a total distrust of people who were Asian. In 9th
grade my dad had surgery and his doctor who saved his life was Asian. I think that was all healing and
when our daughter Andrea was born we asked “are you going to be able to love an Asian child?” and she
said this may be really good for me. Unfortunately she only lived to when Andrea was 2 and Sam was 1.
She didn’t get a chance to really meet them. I’m very accepting to everyone. I’ll admit that some people
who make decision like gauging out their ears I think to myself “woa, can you sew that back together?”
But overall I have to be very accepting with the position that I’m in.
(starting at minute 14)-----and Sam was one so…she didn’t get a chance but I am very accepting of—but,
I ya know, people have big holes in their ears I admit and it’s like, woah, can you cut that thing off and
sew it back together? (laughs) But I have to be very accepting in the position that I am in.
JACK: Would you say that there are still some teachers today even in your school system that are not
very accepting of those students?
DECKER: Absolutely. And the kids know. The kids know who cares about them and who’s accepting and
not and I would say one of the issues, one of the issues that is still fairly big, probably, is kids in Rockford
who are gay. You know? And kids—most of them just try to fly under the radar. They just—I mean I, ya
know, fly under the radar. And we have the Gay, Straight Association and stuff like that, but there’s only
about seven kids who go to that. You know, not that many kids go but they find acceptance there—but,
ya know, I—and I know that, you know, there are a lot of jokes made and things like that and I always
feel for those kids.
JACK: Do you feel that their studies suffer because--?
DECKER: Oh yeah, I’m sure they—they’re always just trying very hard not to be gay—to show that
they’re gay.
JACK: So you think that there is a lot of stress there that is taking away from what they could be because
they’re just trying not to be something that society doesn’t want them to be?
DECKER: They don’t want to be noticed. They really don’t want to be noticed. So I would say yeah,
absolutely that’s stressful. They don’t want to go to school—and, and these aren’t even the kids who
have identifies themselves as gay. They are just, just trying to get out of there as quietly as possible. And
then there are other kids that are really embraced—the king, they boy who was just nominated
homecoming king is gay. And a couple years ago—a couple years was? Yeah. So it’s not like the student
body is not accepting. The student body is fairly accepting—you know, overall—I think they’re even
more worried about some of the teachers not being accepting. It’s still West Michigan, conservative
West Michigan. So yeah—but the student body will vote for 12 guys [for homecoming court] and pick
the guy who is gay for their king and he’s pretty accepting.
JACK: Do, like, some of the teachers openly, like, make statements that are derogatory to them? --or so
they know which—or is it making the student uncomfortable if they were in their class?

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�DECKER: I—I think people will try to be very politically correct—I think they just let kids say things that,
you know I would say, “hey, don’t say that.” Um…um and you know, I think that’s more—I think that
kids, um, it’s not that teachers necessarily will say things, um, ‘cause they’ve been trained not to say
anything that’s not politically correct. But I think they’ll let the kids get away with things.
JACK: Do you feel that you are trying to stand up for the kids because some teachers won’t? Like you
said, some teachers will allow students to say things or let students get away with things, but do you
feel that you try to go out of your way to help these students because your faculty members don’t?
DECKER: Probably—it’s funny that, you know, that I’m going to talk at an FCA, but then you’ve got GSA,
and in—in some ways—and I’m—I’m thinking that I might talk to the FCA about—Fellowship of Christian
athletes—about hey, love everybody. You know, don’t just love the kids who go to your church, and
that’s easy to do, but to love everybody, you know. Really, how are you reaching out to the handicap
kids in our building? We had a girl last year who was blind—and I don’t think there were very many
people who even said hi to her and it’s like, you know she was a really really smart girl and very nice and
I just think that, um, I just want—I just think—I guess I’ve always just kind of loved people and—and
want them to feel safe. I think that’s the best way to put it.
JACK: Have you experienced things that—where there has been, say, a specific situation where there has
been discrimination against a student that you have been witness to?
DECKER: Particularly, I don’t think so. I haven’t, like, seen anybody get beaten up. I haven’t seen
anybody, um—we are a—at Rockford High School, I brought something with me that said that…we have
1881 white kids in nine through twelve. We have 40 Hispanic, 39 black or African American, 21 Asian,
three American Indian-Alaskan, and then I think we have 2 Hawaiian or Pacific Island. So it’s really a
white school and I—I haven’t seen, like, any of the white kids picking on the black kids or the Hispanic
kids…but over the course of the years I think the kids have become more politically correct too—I
haven’t seen that, haven’t necessarily seen anyone pick on anyone who is gay, or Asian, or anything else
like that—haven’t seen anyone pick on anything like that but you know, I just—I want to make sure that
my room is a pace where anyone can come in and feel safe. So I haven’t seen any particular incidents
where kids were like, you know, I mean like I said, we have a king who is gay—people aren’t going to
boo.—they’re not going to boo or anything they’re very polite…it’s a polite community.
JACK: So would you say that’s changed over the years? We’ve become—that our society has become
more tolerant towards them?
DECKER: Oh yeah—you’re generation is so much more tolerant than ten years ago or twenty years ago
when I first started teaching—I’m more tolerant. I would’ve let those jokes go twenty years ago, I admit
it. And you know—and my family they used to make—there used to be, like, racial jokes or stuff like that
and I would—I—it’s only as an adult and the more I’ve worked in the school system that I’ve become
more open minded myself, you know? But I don’t know, your generation’s a whole lot different than my
generation was—and I went to a school that was integrated…but there were fights sometimes and
that—there wasn’t a lack of safety but it wasn’t—there was always a lack of ignorance. I don’t think
you’re so ignorant of each other anymore. And I push not being ignorant of each other—okay so it’s like,

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�so, so that person’s black? He’s got more pigment—we’re always trying to get tan (laughs) I mean
really? Why does this matter? You know? So, I guess I think your generation is a ton more tolerant. I’ve
seen a lot of change—Rockford when I first started was class size of about 350. And my *first+ daughter’s
class was 680. I think this year we only have 600, but, you know, when you go from 350 who all grow up
on farms around Rockford and the few people who live in downtown Rockford, um, and then all-asudden you start bringing in this diversity of economics …we have some really really rich people there
and some really really poor people and we have a lot of people in the middle—we have school of
choice—we just have to be very flexible.
JACK: Do you think that a lot of the different racial or ethnic groups kind of clump together? Is there a
lot of mixture with the students?
DECKER: There’s a lot of mixture—they don’t have a choice. There are only 39 black students in the
school? They can’t all just hang out with black kids. I mean, truly, they don’t—and Hispanic—I’m thinking
really? We have 4000—you can’t tell! Everybody mixes. I mean my one daughter’s Asian—she really
grew up white. You know it wasn’t like there was a bunch of Asian kids to hang out. So I think they have
no choice—they have to—when—as I was telling my friend when we had dinner, kids who come in who
are black, if they come in from outside the community, they may act like they’re inner-city for about a
year and then they’re Rockford. Everybody just mixes…I don’t think that’s the big deal. It used to be a
big deal but it’s not a big deal anymore.
JACK: What kinds of organizations are available for kids at Rockford that really promote diversity within
the student body?
DECKER: We have a diversity club, but I don’t know if it’s met at all this year. Then I said, we have GSA,
Gay-Straight Association?—or I think its Alliance—I think that’s what it is. Um…and then like I said, the
anime club which sometimes will get, like, your skaters and people like that—but, um, I mean—
they’re—and we have FCA and we have chess club and eco club and stuff like that so there are a lot of
different clubs—but as far as diversity we just have the one diversity club. So…there isn’t a lot—what
else is out there that’s available.
JACK: Do you think it’s important for students to really, kind of up that? Or make it better?
DECKER: You know, I think that would be probably helpful. I think—umm—the entire student body has
been trained with guest speakers and things over the years to kind of look at each other as oh, yeah
we’re just all equal. We do a good job of bringing in guest speakers.
JACK: I have heard that at Rockford you have to be either really good at sports or really good-looking or
really good in the arts or music or something to kind of… I guess, get along there and if you don’t have
one of those, you’re going to have a tough time at Rockford. Would you say that that is true? Would you
say that it was true and it’s changing now? Do you have any opinion on that subject?
DECKER: I think it’s changing now…when you mention sports…or, like we have band…a lot of band kids
hang with band kids and a lot of choir people hang with choir people. Um—I think it’s changed a lot
though over the years…um I think if kids spend time doing those things in which they have to be good

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�at—it’s just they spend so much time with those people that they become their friends but I think it—I
think there’s a pretty decent mix—I don’t think people are necessarily prejudice. When I put groups
together I always try to put people of different—you know, groups together but I don’t think it’s
as…mmm…. Let’s see but I’m not in it, I’m not in a click, I don’t have to worry about “clicky-ness”. I don’t
notice that so much…you may know more about that than I do
JACK: How has your faith influenced the way you think about diversity and the way your present
yourself in situations?
DECKER: Um, you know, what I think that my faith has a lot to do with it because I just grew up when,
you know, “Jesus love the little children” everybody, you know, we’re supposed to love each other and
do unto others as you would have others do unto you and so i think my faith has a lot to do with it. Not
to say that people who don’t have faith wouldn’t have the same attitudes towards people. I think
sometimes if kids realize, you know, I’m a Christian, sometimes I think people might go, “oh, well she’s
going to be like, judgmental” and things like that and I’m not and then it takes them by surprise and
they’re glad about that. And so then I think we get along quite well.
JACK: Can you tell us more about your schooling when you were younger and maybe about things that
you came across with diversity?
DECKER: Well, I went to Aberdine Elementary School …um which was three blocks from my house and as
I said, it was just a neighborhood school until fourth grade they—um many kids were bused in—I’m not
even sure where they were bused in from, but somewhere else in Grand Rapids. Um, and it was a
mixture, it wasn’t just…um…busing in black kids, but it was to integrate the school system and the law
said integrate the school system and um, so—you know when you’re a little kid? And kids are kids are
kids, you know? You’re not even like, “oh my gosh” you know, it’s not that big of a deal, it’s more what
your parents say that you start to notice things. But, um, you know, so I think growing up in that
elementary and then—and I went to a junior high that was back to being a neighborhood school, you
know, and there was the one Asian family and they were really smart, and there was the one black
family. And then we went to the high school and that was very integrated. So, I think that I just
realized—and I went on to college and was on teams, you know, I was on track in high school and in
middle school and then in college I was on sport—I was on track and cross country and track was a very
integrated sport. So, I think I just kind of grew up knowing that, you know—you know we’re all just
athletes at that point. So—I don’t think I—but I, you know, there are still a lot of people who still have
prejudices and things like that.
JACK: Was there anything that stands out to you—I don’t know if you remember—in like, when you
were growing up in like, elementary school, you said that you went to a, um, integrated school—was
there any, um, like with the adults, like the teachers there, did they have any, like, that they were
against it? Being—?
DECKER: I think my fourth grade teacher she was – she did not have good control of the unique
classroom that we had, she probably had decent control over, you know, when it was all just this whiteneighborhood kids and things like that. When you bring in a different culture, she did not have—she did

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�not have good control over that. But then that fifth and sixth grade teacher that I had—he was a
champion for the people—and I know our class was—had some integration in it and so I would say that
his influence probably filtered down to some of the other teachers. But sure, there were some teachers
who didn’t want to be teaching at an inner-city school. So, Aberdine was one of the farther north
elementary schools, and so I think that was a big shock for them and hard to control. In high school, I
don’t remember…I mean I do remember a couple fights between kids, but I don’t think the teachers…I
don’t remember anything. And we had—we had more------------ non-Caucasian teachers when I
graduated in 77 at Creston. We have, we don't have any non-white teachers at Rockford that I can think
of in the whole system. We have a couple of security guards who are non-white and we have a pool
manager who is non-white. And every teacher in the system, that I can think of is white. That says
something.
JACK: Is that including like the school board and superintendent and everybody?
DECKER: Absolutely.
JACK: Wow. Do you think that has an effect on the students?
DECKER: Absolutely, I think, you know, if I was black and the only people I ever saw at the building were
white I think that would make me have to be somewhat white because I don't have anyone from my
culture. Although we bring in speaker and stuff we still don't understand each other's cultures so when
people come into our school they have to basically become white.
JACK: Do you think it would be good for you school system to bring in some diverse teachers?
DECKER: Yeah, there's got to be someone who has applied for a position in Rockford, who isn't white,
who maybe is in a wheelchair or something you know so that people can say that people who have
handicaps are able to have positions and someone who is um Asian. I mean when I was in high school
we had some foreign teachers who were in there who didn't quite speak English the same way we did.
And I'm just amazed that there is not some rule that says you have to have some diversity.
JACK: With who's running the school system now do you think that's going to change?
DECKER: If somebody different was running it?
JACK: With who you have now.
DECKER: O, no, I don't think so. I don't think there will be a push for that. And right now there is a hiring
freeze for the most part so no one is hiring anybody. I was hired in with about 30 people in 1991 and we
were all white. and...
JACK: So even your, I didn't mean to interrupt sorry, your foreign language teachers, they're not like, or
your Spanish teachers, they're not like Hispanic or anything like that even?
DECKER: No, we do have a Hispanic teacher at our building, Mrs. Shordsma, you know who she is? no,
no, no, she teaches social studies. And she was the one who had started up the diversity club, and she is
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�JACK: Well we have a Japanese teacher
DECKER: O yeah if forgot about her, she teaches English. She struggles but, she's not very good with
English but she's a great Japanese teacher. I forgot about Meg. Yeah, other than that but, our German
Teacher, he's not German, none of our Spanish teachers are Spanish, the French teachers, they're not
French and they are very white. Women, for the most part.
JACK: That's really interesting, like for me where I went to school we had at least two out of the three
Spanish teachers were Hispanic, they knew the language very fluently. And not to say that your
teachers don't know the language fluently.
DECKER: Well they don't know it in the same way.
JACK: Right, but and the culture.
DECKER: Well they can talk about the culture but...
JACK: They don't know it.
DECKER: They don't know the culture. They've never lived the culture.
JACK: Do you think that maybe the teachers and the faculty should kind of join together to bring more
diversity, or do you think that it's kind of between a rock and a hard place in that situation?
DECKER: We're always, you know, and often we've had meetings that we've had to go to that were
about diversity. That's just, well look at us you know, we look around there, if we get the whole staff
together from the district, there are probably about 500 teachers, and they're all for the most part like I
said, a bunch of white people. Who, most of whom probably grew up in West Michigan. So, um, it
would be nice to have diversity but probably, I mean truthfully nobody would push for that.
JACK: That's very interesting.
DECKER: uh huh
JACK: Teaching for the past twenty years have you witnessed changes in diversity being the amount of it
within the school and the amount of it becoming more prominent?
DECKER: I think school of choice is going to continue to impact a lot of schools. I think Rockford will get
more and more diverse, um, I don't want to say clientele which sounds kind of weird, um, but I don't
think we will ever, I don't think our district will ever be diverse like Kentwood, or the Forest Hills
Northern schools, when, when, people move in from foreign countries like Bosnia and things like that,
they are not going to pick Rockford. We don't have the, um, we don't have the manpower to help them
learn the language. We have a Spanish Immersion class that started in Kindergarten and now, I think,
those kids are up to 8th grade. But those are still white kids learning Spanish. And there actually might
be a couple of Hispanic teachers in there. But see I'm not in elementary school, so I haven't seen it. I, I
think that school choice makes a difference, but I don't think that we are ever going to become diverse.
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�class white school system. And with the influx of students who are living on Alpine like in York Creek or
something like that said it's very diversified, I have a friend I met with tonight that teaches at Sacred
Heart Elementary she says that her population went from mostly middle class white people to Hispanic,
because the neighborhoods have changed. I don't see that happening at Rockford. I say, that if you talk
to me 10 years from now and I'll say we have 59 black students, maybe more, but not, not, it will not
become a diverse school system. So, not for a while, I'm not quite sure why maybe there is not jobs out
there or something.
JACK: Why would people choose Rockford as a school choice?
DECKER: Great education. I mean, I talked to somebody last week and he said that you know, we ,we
did not, my wife and I were not in private education, we were pretty eerie about putting our kids into a
school system and he said I have no complaints with Rockford, the teachers all care about kids and they
want them to have a good education so that's why people would want to move to Rockford so I'm just
surprised that more people don't come North to Rockford, they just don't.
JACK: Do you think it's, um, people aren't choosing that because education isn't as important to people
as maybe other things as like sports and stuff like that?
DECKER: Well it's a huge sports school though, I mean we have, you know, we joke about how many
state championships we've won over the years and things like that. Um, I think that maybe people are
afraid maybe that if they come to Rockford they won't be accepted. And I think that, you know, we
don't have any choice I mean you're going to accept people because you do. That's just the way the
world is, it's a, you know it's a very accepting world so I think maybe that's the reason, a lot of people at
Rockford actually has a little bit of a bad reputation because we are so good in sports, kind of like Grand
Valley, and um, know that our sports teams, you know everybody is successful and things like that. Um,
but I think that people are afraid of the lack of acceptance, but, I don't think, It's harder I think for kids
who are poorer and for kids who are of a different race. At Rockford.
JACK: Do you think Rockford prepares like most of your seniors who are going off to college, do you
think that your school prepares them for the amount of diversity that they are going to experience in
college or do you think that?
DECKER: I think we try but I don't think we can do that, I mean, my daughter when she left Rockford and
went to Michigan State, she said all these Asian people were trying to say hi to her and make
conversation with her. Well she couldn't do that because well, you know she speaks English. But she
never said it was a shock for her, and Michigan State is a lot more diverse than Grand Valley is, Grand
Valley's a lot like Rockford. Um, Michigan State is really diverse but I don't think she's ever said that
she's had any problem with anybody of different race. So I don't think, I think she was prepared; we do
the best that we can with what we have.
JACK: Have there been any landmark events that have changed your opinion dealing with diversity?
DECKER: You know, um, landmark as in my own classroom or landmark like something that happened in
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�JACK: Basically anything that you, I know you discussed more of your family when you were younger but
in the nation or...
DECKER: You know, landmark events that kind of changed my opinions, really, um, would be the "I have
a dream" speech by Dr. Martin Luther King I was probably 8 or 9 at the time, that made quite an
impression on me, um, in my classroom I think just, you know, seeing, seeing that it doesn't matter what
kids look like they're still kids, um, I think that's made a huge difference in my life. But, as far as like
something, you know like, getting or having a black president or something like that will you know, I'm
like, it's about time. You know, are you kidding me, you know, slavery ended in 1860s so you know, um,
I guess that, you know, the big things for me would have been like my teacher and Dr. Martin Luther
King's speech.
JACK: Do you have any students that in particular stood out to you or I know over the years you said that
your own children have changed your views on teaching, or, how you deal with students in the
classroom, anything like that?
DECKER: um not necessarily just... Just you know, like I can remember this one guy he had hair longer
than I ever dreamed of having and there all the boys were wearing their hair short. I just remember
thinking, I mean that changed my way of looking at people with long hair, guys with long hair. And
having a student, you know say, you know my dreams for my future are this and knowing that this kid is
one of those gay kids who's just trying to slide under the radar so he's making up what he thought I
would want to hear, but you know that makes, that changes the way I feel about kids and I just think
you know, just being with kids all the time. As I said, kids are kids are kids and I felt that way around the
world; people are people are people nobody's my enemy necessarily, um, you know just because they
come from a different country doesn't mean they're my enemy, their government might be an enemy of
my government but people in Afghanistan are not my enemies.
JACK: Would you say your views are constantly changing or your...
DECKER: They're improving.
JACK: Yeah.
DECKER: Growing, yes, I have a lot of years left hopefully to grow but I'm getting better and better. Like
I said, when I first started teaching I probably have some of those same prejudices and things like that
and now I'm not afraid to say to kids, hey you know, why, you know that doesn't fly here. We don't talk
like that, or you need to apologize or you're not going to act that way. And it's not o.k. that it's o.k. with
you and him between you to say those kinds of things, it's not o.k. with me. You know, but I say it in a
nice way. You know, instead of, I mean, maybe years ago I would have said it in a meaner way, but now
I say it in a very nice way.
JACK: You said that there were people in your family that used to be prejudice towards other people,
have you seen them change at all?
DECKER: Um, one of my brothers would probably fly a Confederate flag if he could. Um, but, you know
and it's funny because my mother in law, I wouldn't say she's a prejudice person but she still refers to
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�people that are black as colored. And you know she just never evolved with the times. I had a student
last year though, her dad is black and her mom was white and this girl's quite, she's quite white actually
and she said I would identify with black and would you want to be called African American and she said
no, I'm not African American, I'm an American; a black American and I don't want to be called African
American which has been really interesting. But as far as family members go I don't think really, I mean,
besides this one brother of mine and I think he's had to evolve, um, he still will say things but not in the
same way that he used to because he's had to become more politically correct. My other brother, he's a
counselor and he's, he's, he's fairly open minded so, I think that um prejudices, there still are more
prejudices toward gender identity and things like that, but I don't anybody would be so rude to in the
family to say things.
JACK: I know in education a lot of times teachers have to deal with parents, has there been any issues
with parents or have you connected with any parents over diversity in school?
DECKER: I, um, I think most parents know, I, I, I, a good thing. They know that um, it's a safe place to be,
in my room and things like that. So I haven't had to deal with that, um, in a negative way. Just in a
positive way. But mostly everybody's just like well thanks for making them work really hard and that
type of thing.
JACK: Have you had any students come to you and thank you for what you've done and opening your
doors and things like that?
DECKER: Oh yeah, this one girl gives me a hug like every single day. (Laughing) Oh hi Mrs. Decker. This
one junior that I had last year, she is part of GSA, and I am like your fine its great your fine and I think
that that group it’s kind of weird for me to connect with that group not because I’m prejudice or
anything like that just because you know I am not the teacher in charge of that group but I think that
group and the kids in that group have connected with me a lot, and it is like I said this one girl gives me a
hug every day and hangs around my room and stuff like that. But I have kids who will come in my room
and just eat at lunch. I mean because they don’t have anywhere else to go and I am like ok yeah know
come on in my room and eat and sit there. And yeah know this year I don’t, but I have had like foreign
exchange students who will just hang out until they got a group they could meet and things like that. So,
I think that they just know I am a friend, and I am a teacher, and even though I work them really hard.
Most kids I tell them they are not going to like me when they have me, but the year after they have me
they will like me. But no, I think most kids know I am very safe. I guess the only prejudice I have is that
they are not allowed to wear Western Michigan stuff in my classroom. It was college day today because
it is our spirit week, and this one girl walks by and says Mrs. Decker I almost wore my Western Michigan
shirt just to bug you. I went to Central and Grand Valley. But no, I think that you know I do have kids that
come to me and kids feel comfortable with me. And I like I said I but a GSA sign up and I put and FCA
sign up if I had to and a diversity club sign up, so I just think everyone feels pretty comfortable. But, I
don’t know that that was true twenty years ago. So, I think I have changed.
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�DECKER: Umm…You know even when I was little I think that in the back of my mind I thought I would do
that. I thought I was going to grow up and be a missionary or something like that. But some of those
countries have really big bugs. And that’s the truth. But you know when my husband and I weren’t able
to have children we had no problem; we wanted to have children so we were willing to adopt. But I’ll
have to say that before our son was born and he is twenty- two the doctor who had been my OBGYN
person moved out to Wautoma, Washington and she called us with a possible adoption, and the child
was going to be black. And I said we can’t do that. And she said I am so surprised I thought you could
love any child. I said I could love any child but we were living in Newaygo we weren’t living in Grand
Rapids. We were living in Newaygo, Michigan and I don’t think that child in Newaygo, Michigan in this
day and age can be accepted. I said I will not do this to a child, and at this point in time we had no plans
to move anywhere else. My husband worked at Gerber in Fremont and I was a sports reporter covering
sports in that area and we had no plans to move. So, then I said no I won’t adopt that child just because
it won’t be good for that child. Now living in Grand Rapids and Rockford it would not have been a
problem at all. Then, when our daughter when she was going to be born and we were chosen to be her
birth parents we went through Bethany Christian Services for Andrea. I said the only person who we
need to call and say is this ok is my mom. I said can you love this Asian child or are you going to reject
this Asian child. So we just wanted to have children and things like that. And race would not have made
any difference, but location made a difference. We had a pretty honest feel for that situation; there
were no black kids in Newaygo. So, being a black child at that time was not going to be well received. So,
we just knew that.
JACK: Have you felt any discrimination toward your adopted child Andrea? Is that…
DECKER: You know I did not. I did not. And I had known about it till years later that a parent said did you
know a student called her a derogatory term. And she never told me that. She was always very good at
handling her things and things like that. And I said no. So then I asked her about that and I said well what
happened with this; this like last year and what happened and she said yeah so and so called me a spic,
and I said she didn’t even get her derogatory term correct you’re not Hispanic yeah know. That’s a
derogatory term for someone who is Hispanic and that. So I said well what was your reaction and she
said well I just decided that that person wasn’t really a friend. Then, a couple years later I found out that
there was a little bit more to it than that because she wrote a paper when she was a senior and I said
you never told me any of this. And so there was not necessarily that kind of terminology and it was
some other things like that, but she was always good at handling that. But I think she pretty much grew
up white. Yeah. And not because we didn’t like when the girls were little I put them in summer class for
a week and they learned Vietnamese. Do you remember that at all?
JACK: No
DECKER: No. (Laughter) Andrea learned the Vietnamese, and she has connected in the last years with
her birth mom. Who lives in um Texas and she a half sister and two half brothers, and she met the half
sister this summer that is fifteen years old and things like that. But their white too because their birth
mom was adopted straight out of Tycoon and was raised in the US by a white, English School teacher.
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�that. Yeah know we never did anything like that. And our son is Caucasian. So, um but I don’t think she
felt really prejudice against do you? You’d no better than I do.
JACK: She said she feels like a white person.
DECKER: Absolutely I am sure she feels like a white person; she grew up very white.
JACK: And she went to Michigan State?
DECKER: She is at Michigan State.
JACK: She is.
DECKER: And her dorm; her first dorm was totally integrated. People from everywhere. But I don’t think
she met many people. I think pretty much her roommate was dad was white mom was black they got
along great and things like that. I think she mixes well with various races. But she is still probably
hanging out with white people because she is living with white people. So. Is there anything else?
JACK: Where do you think the members of the diverse student body have made the most progress in the
school system?
DECKER: I would probably have to say acceptance. Right. It is interesting, we used to stereotype
somebody, if you’re this color your good at this sport or that sport or something like that. And I just
think that it’s a huge mix and everybody just mixes in at Rockford and I think just that just being
accepted is where we have made the most progress.
JACK: Where do you think the least amount of progress has been made? As far as you said that most gay
kids still try to fly under the radar.
DECKER: Yeah I think that is where the least progress has been made. For somebody who is a different
gender identity. Racial isn’t a big deal, but genderism is a deal.
JACK: So you would say this community has become a lot more tolerant. I don’t know if you would go as
far as saying that don’t mind but they like a gay or lesbian population or something like that. So, why
would you say that these students are still just trying to get out of there without being noticed?
DECKER: I think it’s a societal thing. I think it’s still that society is not accepting or the different and I
don’t think it is so much the students. We have had some kids that are openly gay, who were incredibly
popular. So, I don’t think it’s the students so much, it’s a societal thing. I don’t think you are going to get
beaten up in the bathroom because he’s gay or she is gay. And I would say it is probably the guys who
are gayer that slide under the radar and the girls don’t really care. It is hard to know, girls are friendly
with each other anyways, I mean it’s not just like you will see someone who is just best friends hanging
out or putting their arm around each other. So I don’t think it is as noticeable with girls as it is with guys.
Looking at it is a societal thing.
JACK: Would you say that that is less in Michigan? You know compared to a different state like
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�DECKER: I would say I think it is huge in west Michigan. It’s just a real conservative this side of the state.
Which is good and which is bad. But it is changing, because we are forced to change. I would say your
generation changes the most because of the media influence. With the media it is no big deal. The
shows that are on today that you watch would have been unheard of when I was growing up. The
people, the people you see living together and you see people who are actually gay or are pretending to
be gay you see that a lot. And so I just think that your generation is changing things.
JACK: In a good way?
DECKER: I think it is a great way. Absolutely. People are People and People. Somewhere I learned along
the line that judging is not good. I am not going to be judging someone because of who there are. I
really don’t try to judge people because of their gender identity or something like that. I try not to. And
yeah I still want people to have some of my same conservative views, but as far as…people are meant to
be loved.
JACK: So you don’t think bullying is a problem in Rockford or west Michigan at all? At some schools they
bullying this huge thing; I never really saw it at my high school.
DECKER: I don’t think so. I mean I have never had someone come to me and say I have been bullied or
anything. I mean I don’t think so. I don’t even think when we have a three or four classrooms with
special education kids and I don’t think those kids are bullied. They are just maybe left alone. But I don’t
think they are bullied. I don’t think kids are mean to them. I think overall we are a pretty nice society.
JACK: What kinds of changes do you hope to see in the future?
DECKER: Well I would like to see more diversity as far as staff. Uh, I think that’d be great, you know, I
would feel really uncomfortable if I like went to a school and everyone was not my race; you know it
would be nice to have somebody, a secretary, somebody in the counseling office, somebody, you know,
coaching; I think I think all the coaches are white, even, even all the football coaches, the basketball
coaches, you know, you name it, whatever we have, everybody the custodians, nothing that’s all pretty
homogenized. So, I think it would be nice to change; bring some people in that are qualified. See
somebody, see a teacher in a wheelchair, you know, and um we had somebody apply one time, that’s all
I remember, I don’t even think, I don’t think people even apply to Rockford sometimes; they probably
think it’s a real white society. I would like to see that change.
JACK: How do you see that change taking place?
DECKER: Very slowly. The only way it’s going to change is if people just start, people who are more
diverse than what we have just start applying and applying and applying and eventually, you know, you
have got to say, “come on, these people are qualified.” I mean you can’t be turning those away. But, I
think that maybe if we had somebody different in, um, the administration or something like that, um,
but, I don’t know; it’s just going to change really slowly, because it’s just the way we are. I don’t think
we are necessarily not hiring people who are diverse, but I think most diverse people would probably
not apply at Rockford or they aren’t related to someone who is already in the system, to tell you the
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�superintendent whose son is a principal and whose wife does this and this and then they have family
friends that they get in, I mean I’m not even sure how I got in… yeah, I know that I got in because the
principal at one of the middle schools had gone to my high school and the principal at the high school
was a teacher at my high school: they knew me and they knew me as a sports reporter. And they knew,
well she was a decent sports reporter, we will get here in and it looks like a choux. So, I think that’s how
I got in, I don’t know. Um I don’t know. I was one of the people hiring, or interviewing people for hiring
and it was all white people. So, the only way it will change is if people start applying, and keep applying
and keep applying. We had a student teacher last year, one student teacher, and I have had an assistant
teacher one time that was a really nice girl. A gal who was black, and we had a student teacher last year;
and I thought for sure that we would hire her. She was really great, but we are not hiring anybody. So
that makes a difference too.
JACK: Do you think that maybe Rockford doesn’t have the diversity in teachers and the staff at the
school because the community isn’t diverse?
DECKER: Probably, probably not even with school of choice we are getting a few people coming in, but
the community is not very diverse either. No, I don’t think there is much diversity at all; do you? So,
that’s probably it. It would be nice to see the community become a little bit more diverse; people move
in. It’s a really nice small town. &lt;pause&gt; Do you want me to say something controversial?
[Laughing]
JACK: Do we want to talk about education a little bit too? Well, we discussed in class about the
education system and some faults and some positives, but we were wondering maybe some of your
views of the standards that you have to live up to as a teacher… and the government standards if they
are different and the government influence on the system. Just elaborate.
DECKER: First of all, I don’t think that some of the people in the government who are coming up with
these standards really have any understanding of what it is like in the classroom. Now they have decided
that the principal should evaluate each teacher twice a year. So, we have three principals in our building
and we probably have about 130 teachers. So, if you look at that, and they are dividing it up, you know
you get thirty, you get forty, you get forty, you get forty-five or whatever. So it means that they are
trying to come into the classroom twice a year. And it sounds great, it really sounds like, woah, yeah
those teachers should be evaluated twice a year; but they also have all of their other administrative
positions too. And like last year I was evaluated and they are supposed to spread in out throughout the
year. So, the assistant principal; I said to my husband with nine days to go, “He hasn’t been in yet, I bet
he is not going to come in because he is going to be going over to an elementary and becoming a
principal.” So I saw him on like a Thursday and I said, “Are you planning on coming in to my classroom at
all?” and he said, “Yep, I’ll be in tomorrow. What are you doing?” And I said, “Okay, well we are going to
be doing a quiz and we are going to have food because we had this one thing going on,” and then I said,
“and I will be talking about Lord of the Flies with my tenth graders.” And he said, “Okay, great. I’ll come
in.” So he came in and sat through the quiz, had a doughnut or something like that; and then he never
stayed to see me teach. And so then, the next week; we are running out of time. We are basically to
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�doing tomorrow?” And I said, “Well I’m giving the test. We just finished The Things They Carried and we
just finished Lord of the Flies, so I’m giving tests in those classes.” And um, he said, “Well, what about
Monday?” And I said, “Well, we are going to watch the Lord of the Flies and we are going to be watching
a movie on the Vietnam War because now we are at exam week. We are not going to teach two days
before exams, you know. We are going to do something low key. And he goes, “Okay, well I will come in
for the test.” Well, I’m not teaching during the test, I hand out the test and oh she did a great job like
that (motions applause). So he evaluates me and I said, “You got this wrong.” I said, “You praised me on
an area I’m not that strong at: contacting parents; because once we went an automated system where
all the grades are online and the parents can see things, they basically told parents: the principal
basically said, “If your kids are doing well in school, you don’t have to come to conferences.” So people
quit coming, and now everybody can see everything online. The kids know, they come into class, I put
grades in before school and they come into class second hour and say, “I saw my grades online.” So
everybody knows everything. I am not great at connecting parents if their kids aren’t doing well. You
know, if they’re failing yes, but if they are getting a D I don’t necessarily contact them because they can
see it. Why do I? You know, if they are interested they can contact me, and I said “but you messed up in
this one because I am very proficient on how I evaluate them in many different ways.” And I said, “So
you messed up on that one.” He had the dates wrong and everything because I think he was trying to
cover his tail because he was supposed to spread them out and he came in basically like five days apart.
And I said that I am going to impend a letter to tell you those things that you do not have on this sheet
that qualify me, you know, as a proficient teacher. And so now they are supposed to come in twice a
year, one announced and one unannounced, and one of the math teachers said, “You know we are
going to have to provide every one of the benchmarks that we’re meeting with the states says we are
going to meet.” Rockford is an excellent system, but we don’t all have these benchmarks memorized
that we are supposed to. So now, if he tells me that he is coming in on Thursday or if he doesn’t tell me,
and he walks into my class and he says, “You’ll have those benchmarks on my desk by the end of the
day.”, I can’t do that because I don’t- that is not how I do my lesson plans. I have these huge folders and
there are things that I add every year or change every year, but I don’t necessarily qualify them by a
bunch of benchmarks; but I know that when kids leave my classroom I am doing a good job because I’ve
asked them: “Is there anything? What can I do differently?” I just had an email with a girl who is at
Western. I said, “Mary, let me know what I could do differently to make you that much better of a
student.” You know, she is a freshman, so I haven’t heard back from her; but I always ask kids, and I
asked this one kid and I said, “Did I prepare you for college?” and he said “No, Mrs. Decker.” And I said,
“What do you mean?” and he said, “College is so much easier than your class ever was.” So, it’s like why
do, I know I am meeting those benchmarks. And there are ninety-two benchmarks where there used to
be for English, and when I was at the Rockford Freshman Center, our principal told us we had to meet all
ninety-two that year. We’re like, “You’re nuts!” We can’t do that. This one benchmark has like ten
different areas of writing that you are supposed to cover. That would be a year’s worth of benchmarks.
You know like: character analysis, autobiography and narrative, a research paper, you name it. One
benchmark could take the year to cover. And there were ninety-two of them. And now they say, “Well,
no. You cover those ninety-two in four years.” Well okay, but what qualifies, because my students are
reading The Crucible aloud; so does that qualify as I am teaching them how to speak? Not really; but,
they are learning intonation, things like that. So, I think it’s nuts. They just told us that all the M.E.A.P.

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�qualifiers or the M.M.E. qualifiers: how Rockford did last year, how many of our kids were proficient last
year; next year or this year when they take it because the standards have been raised this high, only
76% of them would be proficient versus 93% of them. Now if Rockford, which is a fairly consistent,
stable society and community; if we can’t meet those benchmarks - how is inner-city Detroit going to
meet those benchmarks? And plus, we have computers, and our teachers have computers in our
classrooms; most my kids have, you know, cell phones and iPhones and stuff like that. I talked to my
friend who is a teacher at Sacred Heart, and they do not even have computers in their classrooms for
the teachers. And it is like if we have that and somebody up in Everett, Michigan doesn’t have that; how
can they meet those benchmarks if we’re worried about them. Inner-city Grand Rapids-- You know; how
can they meet those benchmarks? Yeah, it’s great, but you’re not changing the family structure; so how
can you expect the teachers. We’re expected, our special ed. kids are expected to as well as our regular
ed. kids on the ACT. Really? I had a girl last year with a seventy-four I.Q. She could read a paragraph and
not remember a thing that she read at the end of it; and they are supposed to meet the ACT
requirements or else our school is not proficient and if my special ed. students don’t get the same score
that you would get on the ACT than I am going to be evaluated differently? You know like, you’re not a
very good teacher. She has a seventy-four I.Q.! And I can’t help if people have lazy butts either. I have
slums in my classroom that sit there and ask me to entertain them. So, I just think the state: good
intentions, we lost our manufacturing so now we are going to be a smart state, gene pool hasn’t
changed, you know, let’s be realistic here. So, I just think the government should be taking care of the
economy and work on the bad schools and let the good schools continue to do a great job.
JACK: Do you think that maybe, with the state having such high standards is, in a way, hurting us?
DECKER: Yeah because I don’t think that we can meet those high standards. This is a manufacturing
state. And, I think we have, years ago, a lot of people would go through school and kind of get through
school and then go to manufacturing positions and things like that, and I think that nation-wide I think
the standards are hurting us. We are competing against people; I think like Switzerland has some of the
highest standards and they meet those, but they don’t ask their special ed. kids to take those. When you
see those polls where the United States is way down here and those other countries are way up here,
they usually take just the cream of the crop and give those kids the test. And I think the standards are
hurting us. I just think it is making us look dumber and dumber and dumber. And in some ways society is
getting dumber.
JACK: So you’re saying that at Rockford they make all the special ed. students take the ACT, even the
ones with like Down syndrome?
DECKER: No we don’t have any, I think we have one student that might be slightly downs; um, other
than that they have learning disabilities and some low I.Q.’s. We do have a couple self-contained
classrooms. They get-- Somebody will like read it to them or something like that, but it’s still the
remembering. If you would have to study a month’s worth of notes before any exam, you know how
hard that is. Now we are asking them to read and just cognitively understand something that they might
read the sentence and they don’t even understand it. So, I think the government is well meaning, but I
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�JACK: One of our big focuses in class lately has been about textbooks and information being altered or
changed or showing the positivesDECKER: Oh instead of showing some of the negative things
JACK: And I know that you’re an English teacher, and you read a lot of books- do you notice that?
DECKER: The books we read are fairly old books.
JACK: Sadly, this is where our recording device died. The remaining part of the interview, we discussed
how Jackie did not really see that the books her students read in English class were biased, but she did
agree to the idea that all textbooks should relay all of the facts, not just a positive portrayal of history.
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