2 24 652 https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/3669e2c00b9e62d5f2e5bf4f55fcd550.mp3 4a714357b91d0b257ed2237b543de74f https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/89d21ff5f41b6cf87fb446a554decd1d.pdf d1b327e4d499648914d89b2f7d5eb3c7 PDF Text Text Cynthia Sorenson interviewed by Gina Asman and Ken Kutzel July 21, 2018 GA: Now what you’re doing is working. Ken: Alright, we're headed down, just hit the record. Okay we'll do that. Thank you very much, Ken. Ken: You’re welcome. GA: As they leave… What do I have in my mouth? I don’t know. So, we'll get started alright.I got some questions here that I supposed to be asking you. This is Gina Asman and I'm here today with Cynthia Sorenson, my friend, and we are downstairs in the Old Schoolhouse in the place where Cynthia is very very comfortable. Today is July 21, 2018. We are in Douglas, Michigan. and this oral history is being collected as a part of The Stories of Summer project which is supported in part by a grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities Common Herritage program. That’s quite the name. Thank you for coming today and taking the time to talk with me. I know I kinda twisted your arm to do this tonight. This is not your favorite thing I know I'm gonna ask you some different questions I hope because before I think they talked about the, the robbery at the bank was in that. Weren’t you interviewed as far as that was concerned? Well, the second time, yeah. Pat Devenhost and I were interviewed. GA: Okay, but what was the first time about then? CS: My sister and myself. GA: Okay the two of you, so you and Marge were interviewed now. Okay. Well anyway, I wanna learn more about your family history and your experiences that you've had here in the Saugatuck-Douglas area and I have to ask you this can you please tell me your full name and spell it, even though I know how. CS: Cynthia Anne Petertyl Sorensen. GA: Now, that is an interesting name. Spell it for me, please? All of it? �GA: The whole thing, especially the Peter, that’s where I get the Peter. CS: C Y N T H I A A N N E P E T E R T Y L S O R E N S E N GA: I bet Sorenson is often misspelled, isn’t it? CS: Yes. GA: And that's not very nice because it's a good Scandinavian, I think. CS: I think it's Danish. GA: Oh, Danish! Okay I’m sorry I was wrong there. Now, tell me about the Peter, because I’ve heard. CS: Petertyl. GA: I know but I've heard him calling you Peter or Pete. I guess it’s Pete. CS: It’s a nickname. A family name. GA: Tell me about that. CS: Oh, my grandmother my mother's mother's maiden name was Petertyl. GA: Your mother's mother, okay. CS: My grandmother. It’s Bohemian. GA: Oh, its Bohemian? Now, how did Bohemian and Danish get together CS: I don't know. GA: They just did. CS: They met in Chicago, my mother did. They met in Chicago. Now, what else did you need? GA: Well I just think it's such an interesting name and I heard your niece, Joan, say… �CS: No, my cousin. GA: Your cousin, that’s right. She said, “Pete was there” And I said, “Pete? Who’s Pete?” “Oh, you know, Pete.” So, I thought, oh, and that’s why I had to ask you. CS: My family nickname and then of course when I worked in the restaurant with my aunt, she would call me Pete. The customer's would call me Pete. GA: Well, tell me about that restaurant. I know it's called The Hollyhock, right? CS: The Hollyhock House. GA: The Hollyhock House. Tell me about that. CS: My aunt had that for many many years. she it was the best restaurant in town. GA: Your aunt's name was? CS: Emily Leon. GA: Ellie Leon CS: Emily. Emily Leon. GA: And then the building is still there, isn't it? CS: No, Marrows took it over and extended their restaurant. GA: But, it is where Marrows was, correct? CS: Well, Marrows was on the corner. GA: The corner, right. CS: And they took the property in between the lot and my aunt’s house. GA: Oh. CS: So, there’s actually three lots there. GA: See, I was incorrect because I thought that the back part of the side part that runs along the road there was The Hollyhock House. �CS: It was facing Water Street. GA: Water Street, yes. Because it kind of bends in there, doesn’t it? CS: Yeah. GA: How long did you work there? CS: I started when I was fourteen. GA: Oh my word. CS: Helping in the kitchen. I worked there for twenty years. GA: So all through high school and so on, then. CS: Yes. GA: And I’m sure that probably during the summertime you were really, really busy, weren’t you? CS: Very busy. There would be lines of people waiting to get in. GA: Well, I can remember hearing about it. I don’t ever remember eating at it but I can remember hearing people talk about it, that it was a very good place to eat, and it was very… What should I say? A neat place to go, a different place to go, not your typical hamburger or whatever. CS: It was all homemade food, homemade cooking. 5:08 GA: What was your favorite? CS: Well, probably her vegetable soup. [Chuckles] GA: Her vegetable soup. Did they have other kinds of soup? CS: Oh, yeah. She made it all. GA: Was there different soup on different days? �CS: She made all sorts of kinds of soups. I don’t remember if it was one a day or how she did it, but all of her soups were good. GA: But vegetable soup was your favorite? CS: Yeah. GA: What did they have for dessert? I love dessert. CS: Pies. All sorts of pies: Lemon meringue, butterscotch, and chocolate, coconut cream… GA: So, a lot of cream pies, then? CS: Oh, yeah. GA: And why did she call it The Hollyhock House? CS: She liked hollyhocks, and there were hollyhocks in the vacant lot next door. GA: Ah… and these were probably the old-fashioned ones, the singles. CS: Yeah. GA: Did you ever take them apart as a little girl? CS: Oh, yeah. GA: Make dolls? CS: Make dolls, yes. GA: I did that too. So, vegetable soup, lots of pies. CS: Lemon meringue. GA: Lemon meringue, was your favorite lemon meringue? CS: Yep. And she made a lot of sweet rolls. Her cinnamon rolls were the best. Everyone liked her cinnamon rolls. GA: So, she was probably open for breakfast then? CS: Oh, yeah. �GA: What time did you have to go to work? CS: I can’t… let’s see. I think she opened at 8:00. She started out serving dinners and decided it was easier to do breakfast because there wasn’t a lot of waste. Eggs just kept, you know. Then, she decided that breakfast was too hard because everyone wants it to be perfect. People like their eggs a certain way. GA: Scrambled, over-easy. CS: Yeah. GA: Oh, this is too hard! CS: So, she went back to dinners. GA: Oh, really? CS: And, that’s when there were line ups because the pavilion was there then. GA: Right across the street, really. CS: Mhm. And, she went back to breakfast and lunch. So, I was a waitress. I didn’t do any of the cooking. GA: Well, that’s more fun. You didn’t have to clean up, either, doing dishes? CS: No, I didn’t have to do the dishes. There were high school girls that came in and did the dishes. GA: What was the décor like inside? When you remember, what did it look like? I imagine it being sort of light, bright colors and so on? CS: Yeah. She used a lot of yellow. GA: A lot of yellow, okay. CS: Just all kind of. It was kind of open. There was a porch, a glassed in porch. The windows could be open. It was very cheerful. GA: And I assume there were tables out on the porch? Were you serving? �CS: Yeah, we served tables on the porch. In the regular restaurant, she had vases of flowers on every table. GA: Fresh flowers, I’m sure. CS: Yeah. She had a big flower garden in the back because she liked to garden. GA: So, these flowers probably came right from her garden. Yeah. GA: Neat. CS: I don’t remember… Well, I was there when the pavilion burned. GA: You remember that, then? CS: We were open. GA: Because that was early May, wasn’t it? CS: May, yes May of 19…60? GA: May 1960, yes. So you were working that day, then? CS: Yeah. It happened right around noon hour. GA: So, it was right across the street from you. CS: Yeah. GA: Oh, my word. CS: You hear the fire whistle. They had a fire whistle at that time. Everyone was running down between the pavilion and The Crowbar because there was smoke down there. And I said, “Oh, there’s a boat on fire.” I looked across the street, and there were flames inside the building way over in the far corner. And, we were full of customers, of course. I said, “Everybody better leave.” Nobody wanted to leave, they all finished their lunches, paid... GA: Oh, you’re kidding! Just kind of watched everything? CS: Yeah. �GA: Oh my word. CS: Firetrucks were pulling out of the front. GA: Well, they had the front row seats. CS: Yeah. My sister worked at Harris Pie, in the office of Harris Pie then. She and a couple of her friends came for lunch and they were waiting for a table. And they took their lunch with them back to the office. 10:10 GA: To go, yeah. CS: Finally, we got everybody out of the restaurant, and I happened to think to grab the cash box. We had a cash register, but I thought to grab the drawer and went into the backyard. My aunt had a dog at the house, so I let him out. Then, I just stood in the back and watched it burn. GA: Holding the cashbox and keeping the dog company then? CS: Yes. GA: Oh my word. CS: And while, just before we left, this lady from Douglas, Mace Acosta, came. She wanted pie and coffee. And I said, “Well, you can’t come in, we’re closed.” But she insisted, so I gave her a pie to take home. GA: Oh my word! CS: She wasn’t going to leave. GA: And she just wanted to come on in, eat her pie and watch the excitement going on across the street? CS: Yes, yep. So that’s… My cousin Frank was at Michigan State then, and some of his friends called and told him what was going on. They came and got his record collection out of the house. GA: Sure, because he was living at that house then. CS: Yes. �GA: The house didn’t burn, did it? CS: No, but the plane glass window on the front cracked. GA: On the house? CS: On the restaurant. GA: Oh, the restaurant. CS: Yeah. A couple of the firemen were keeping hoses on the roof of the house, so it didn’t burn. She also had candles, candles on all of the tables. They melted right over because it got so hot in there. GA: Oh my word. And it was probably pretty cool out because it was early in May? CS: Yeah. GA: So, it wasn’t 80 degrees or anything. CS: It was a sunny day, I remember, but… Later after the fire was out, then she opened up and made sandwiches for the firemen, or whatever they wanted to eat. A friend of hers came and helped her. GA: Now, you probably helped too, didn’t you? Or did you have to go and do something else? CS: I was there, but I don’t remember doing – GA: Well, you probably helped serve them to the firemen. CS: Yeah. I don’t remember doing that, but I must have. Of course, I had to hang out with the dog. [Both laugh] GA: And you made sure the money was safe, too. CS: Yeah. My parents were living in Lansing. GA: At that time? CS: They were coming over for the weekend and they saw all this smoke in the sky. GA: They were probably… �CS: They couldn’t get into town. They weren’t letting anyone into town. GA: Were you living at that time on Campbell Road? CS: Yeah. GA: But your folks were in Lansing, so it was just you and Marge in the house, then? CS: M-hm. GA: I didn’t know that! I thought your folks lived there all the time! CS: No. My dad worked for the State of Michigan, and he worked out of Lansing. GA: Oh. CS: They’d come over every weekend. GA: So, you two girls were just on your own then? CS: M-hm. GA: Oh, well, times are… CS: We were old enough then. GA: I know, but times are different now. [Laughs] Would you leave your teenagers there, my word! CS: Well, Marge wasn’t a teenager, so. She worked at Harris Pie, and I did the restaurant. GA: Well, now, I know that your house is really, really old. Talk about your house. You said you lived in that house after you had lived in another house downtown in Saugatuck first. CS: M-hm. GA: But this house had already been built on Campbell Road? CS: Oh, yeah. GA: But, it’s not a farmhouse. It’s too fancy to be a farmhouse. CS: Oh, it isn’t fancy. �GA: Oh, I think it is. CS: It was a farmhouse. GA: Well, it’s not a typical, plain old, what should I say, bare boned. Well, the inside wasn’t like a lot of those houses, Victorian houses. CS: It was plain. GA: But the outside is very, very elegant, as such. It was on a hill; it looks really nice there. CS: According to Jim Schmeecan, it was built in 1867 or 8, I can’t remember. GA: So it’s… my math… It’s 150 years old. CS: Yeah. It was the only house on that side of Campbell Road when we moved there. 15:03 GA: Oh, really? The only one? Was there ever a barn in there, too? CS: Oh, yeah, there was a big barn, food storage building, and a chicken coop. GA: And a chicken coop! And, you didn’t raise chickens for food? CS: Nope. GA: But there were probably already fruit trees there. CS: Oh, yeah, the whole area was a fruit orchard. GA: Peaches? CS: All kinds of fruit. Different kinds. GA: Hmm. CS: But at that time, we weren’t running the orchard at all. It was just there. GA: It was just there. CS: Yeah. It wasn’t taken care of; it wasn’t sprayed or anything like that. �GA: How old were you when you moved into that house, do you remember? Were you in high school? CS: Yeah, I was in high school. GA: You came from Chicago? CS: Yeah. Brookfield. GA: Brookfield, that’s where the zoo is. So, you came up here because your dad had a job in Saugatuck, right? CS: No. He quit his job in Chicago because he was tired of commuting through the loop. And, what he wanted to do was build. He was a builder. GA: That’s right. CS: He wanted to build houses up here. We moved here after my sister graduated from Riverside Brookfield High School, because she was going to go to Western. My dad liked to hunt and fish so he wanted to be in this area. GA: So, this was a perfect place for him! CS: M-hm. We were here… Well, we came here in October of 41. In December, there was Pearl Harbor. GA: That’s right. CS: So, the company he worked for in Chicago wanted him to come back, because they had a job out in Nebraska building ammunition storage in the fields of Nebraska. So we went out to Nebraska for, oh, almost a year. GA: Where abouts in Nebraska? CS: Sydney, Nebraska. GA: I don’t know where that is. CS: It was just a little town like Fennville. �GA: I’ve never been. Oh, like Fennville, okay! Is it in the middle of Nebraska, or where in Nebraska? CS: It’s more in the southwestern parts. GA: The southwestern parts, okay. CS: Because I know we took trips to Colorado and Wyoming while we were there. GA: Oh! So, you were there a little while then? CS: Yes. Not a full year, but. GA: Not a full year, okay. CS: Then we came back here. GA: But at that time, you did not have the house on Campbell Road, correct? CS: No. GA: Okay, so you lived in town. CS: Yeah. We lived on… first we lived on Lake Street. That house isn’t there anymore. And, then, we lived up on Mason Street. GA: Okay. CS: Then my dad built the house on Hoffman Street. GA: Oh! And is that house still there? CS: Yes, yep. GA: Do you know the address or anything? CS: I don’t know. I can’t remember enough. GA: But you’d know what it looks like, right? CS: Oh, yeah. They’ve changed it. GA: Oh, okay. �CS: That was in the 40s, then, by the late 40s. Yeah. I was in high school, so I could just walk to school, the old school. GA: The old school. Because I can remember the Saugatuck High School burned in the middle of the night, didn’t it? CS: Yeah, there was a thunder storm and they think it was struck by lightning. That was 1950.I can remember my dad was good friends with Mr. Wah. GA: Was he the superintendent? CS: Yeah. I remember where we lived, and I remember the phone ringing in the middle of the night, and my dad saying, “Oh, we’ve got to go, Saugatuck High School is burning down.” And, they were talking about where they could hold classes and so on. Could we loan them books, or just whatever? Because my dad was in Fennville at that time. So that was in 1950. GA: Yeah. See, I didn’t remember when it was. I remember that the high school was on a hill. CS: You weren’t born then. GA: Oh, well, yes I was. [Both laugh]. The high school was up on a hill, but the gym didn’t burn, did it? CS: No. It was attached to the high school building, but it didn’t burn. GA: So, only part. CS: There was no damage upstairs. Let’s see, there were four classrooms attached to the old school, red brick, and the gym was to the other side. It wasn’t near the building that burned. GA: Okay, so it was separate, then, kind of. CS: Yeah. GA: Oh, I see. See, I don’t remember that. [Clears throat]. Excuse me. I remember going to games in the gym and knowing that was not a part of the school that burned then. CS: No, it didn’t. I don’t even think there was smoke damage in there, but there was in the red brick part of the school. And, we had to have classes in the Legion Hall now in town. �20:07 GA: Probably churches or something? CS: Churches. Let’s see, where else? Well, that’s about all there was. Then the fixed up the gym and divided it into classrooms. GA: Classrooms. CS: So yeah, we did. We had classes in there. GA: Because when you graduated, I think Saugatuck was much smaller than Fennville. CS: M-hm. GA: How many were in your graduating class? CS: Ten. GA: Oh, my word! [Laughs] Now there’s probably, what, 70 or 80? CS: Oh, yeah. GA: Over 100 maybe. CS: Yeah. GA: See, I don’t know. CS: Yeah. GA: Wow. Because I can remember the building being up there, and I haven’t been… Aren’t there apartments over there now? CS: Yes, condos. GA: Condos. They just took down the school, or what? CS: Well, they took down the old school and built a one-story school. GA: I remember that too. CS: Right in that spot. �GA: Oh, really? CS: I think they took down the red brick part too. The gym was left. Then they built the onestory, but it wasn’t very well constructed. It didn’t last. GA: I guess not. CS: So, then they built where it is now. GA: Where it is now. CS: Yeah. GA: Because that’s state of the art now, as far as. My brother and sister-in-law came over and moved here from the Detroit area, and they were like, “Wow!” They couldn’t believe what a wonderful athletic facility they have. They said, “My word, this is better than anything we’ve seen in a long time.” They were really impressed. Okay, when you were in high school, they were still called the Saugatuck Indians? CS: Oh, yeah. Still are. GA: Is there going to be any change to that? CS: They’re not. GA: I hope not too, because it just… CS: We had a big meeting, oh, two or three years ago, and someone wanted to change the name, drop the name. GA: But with the name Saugatuck, that’s an Indian name. CS: An Indian name. GA: You know what it means, don’t you? CS: Bend of the river, I think. GA: I think. CS: It has different meanings, but mouth of the river, bend of the river. �GA: Saugatuck, it’s a neat, neat place. It certainly has been well-known for years and years and years. So, you lived here, too, then, when they had the jazz festivals? CS: Yeah. GA: What do you remember of that? CS: I didn’t go to those. I wasn’t interested in that. GA: From what I’ve heard, the jazz festivals were supposed to be out where the racetrack is. Yes. GA: But, people, the college kids and such, the troublemakers or whatever didn’t go to that. They just congregated in downtown. CS: Came in downtown. GA: Because they wanted to CS: Drink. GA: Drink and riot and just have a good time. CS: Yeah. GA: See, you lived then. Well, actually your address in Saugatuck was on the other side of the river, so you didn’t have to be involved in that. CS: Right. M-hm. Stayed out of town. GA: I don’t blame you. I remember seeing pictures of this just jammed with people in front of the Old Crow and such, and Coral Gables. CS: I remember, in the daytime working in the restaurant, there were always a lot of people around. GA: That would have been about the same time, then, that the pavilion burned. Was that when they had them, or was that later? CS: That was later. �GA: It was later, okay. CS: The pavilion was gone then. That was just a parking lot, I think. GA: So, there was a parking lot across from The Hollyhock. M-hm. Down on the river. GA: On the river. CS: I think that property was sold to the Singapore Yacht Club. They had the parking lot. GA: Oh, okay. CS: They had their boats docked on the water there. One more thing, going back to the fire. We were wondering what to do about classes and things. And there was talk. [Coughs] Excuse me. GA: We need a bottle of water, but we don’t have any. CS: I don’t need a water. There was talk of merging with Fennville. GA: Really? Such rivalry. CS: We did not want it. GA: I’m sure Fennville didn’t want it either. CS: We had a demonstration march. GA: Oh, really? CS: [Chuckles] I shouldn’t be telling you that. GA: Well, I went to Fennville as you know, and we would have felt the same way. We don’t want to join with those Saugatuck Indians! They are our rivals. CS: That’s when they decided to rebuild. GA: That was in the – I don’t remember that at all. CS: I don’t know if we have any pictures of it? We must have pictures… GA: So, there was a demonstration? �CS: Oh, yeah. Saying, “No, no, no, no!” And, so, they listened. 25:04 CS: Then there was another… All these people were coming to the restaurant. There was a group that came it. It was one of the musical groups at that time. I can’t remember the name, but somebody said that’s who they are. They autographed a paper napkin and left it on the table. So, I picked it up and kept it. I still have it. GA: You’ll find it some place and go, “Oh, that’s where it is!” CS: I can’t remember the name of the group. There were four or five fellows that were in it. GA: Were they singers? CS: Singers, instruments and singing. GA: Ah. CS: I’ll find it and give it to the archives. GA: Yeah! You should because that would be special. So, did you have different napkins that said Hollyhock House on them? CS: No, just plain white. GA: Plain white napkins, okay. But somebody autographed it, like The Beach Boys or something. A well-known group. CS: Yes, they were well-known at the time. I don’t know if anyone would remember them now. GA: Oh, I’m sure oldies like the two of us would remember. Now, do you remember what they ordered? You waited on them, right? CS: Yeah. It was breakfast. I don’t remember what they had. But I thought, I’m going to save that. I don’t know why, but… GA: I’m glad you did! And you’ll find it, it’ll turn up, and you’ll say, “Hey, there it is.” You probably have it in a book or something to keep itCS: In a box that I’m saving. [Both laugh] �GA: Did you have other celebrities that came to eat at The Hollyhock House? CS: I don’t remember. I was trying to remember if Burt Tilstrom came in [Indistinguishable] GA: Yes. CS: I remember when he passed by out on the street. GA: On the street. CS: And the dragon was hanging out the window. [Both laugh] Someone he knew was eating at the restaurant. So he stuck the dragon out the window. GA: That’s neat. CS: Ollie. GA: I remember watching that on TV. Cuckoo Friend and Ollie. What year was that, I can’t remember? CS: Must have been in the 50s. GA: Early 60s. CS: Yeah, 50s. GA: Okay, do you remember seeing that dragon sticking out of the window, was the pavilion in the background, or had it burned down by then? CS: I think that it burned. GA: It burned. So it had to be after 1960 of May. CS: Yeah, I’m not quite sure. GA: You said you worked there for about 20 years, then. CS: Yeah. GA: Wow. CS: Yeah, I started working there in… Let me see. I think it would have been 1965. So, maybe it wasn’t 20 years. �GA: Maybe you subbed in somewhere or helped out sometimes, too. I remember because I had a friend, Bob Breckenridge, who worked in the bank. CS: Yeah. GA: And I would mock him and say, “Yeah, you don’t even have a job. You’re finished with work at 3:00 in the afternoon. That’s no job.” CS: The bank used to close at 3. GA: I remember that, yeah. But, you start work at what time? CS: 9:00. GA: 9:00. But you didn’t leave at 3:00. CS: Oh, no, no. We were there. GA: Because you had to make sure everything was … CS: Yeah. And, let’s see what else. Well, I was offered the job at the bank. I didn’t apply for it. GA: Oh, that’s a compliment! So they came to you and said, “Cynthia.” CS: I was taking a refresher course in typing up at the high school, an evening class. Mrs. Showers, do you remember Louise Showers? GA: I remember the name, but. CS: Yeah, she was there, too, because she was starting to work at the bank. She had to learn how to type. [Chuckles] And she told the bank manager. GA: Who was? CS: Mill Stahl. GA: Okay. CS: And she said he should ask me to work there because I was such a good typist. GA: Ah. �CS: So, I came into the bank and he asked me if I’d like to work there. It was just part time, because I had to work at the restaurant in the morning. I could work at the bank in the afternoon. Well, that lasted a week, and then he wants me full time. And Irene Simonson. GA: Okay. CS: She was a customer of my aunt’s who came every day for coffee. She said she’d like to have a job working the restaurant. GA: Oh really? CS: She just jumped at the chance. GA: So, she filled in for you and you went to the bank, then. CS: Yeah. 30:00 GA: Okay, may I ask you a personal question? When you worked at The Hollyhock House, how much did you get paid an hour? Not with tips. CS: I came across some pay stubs the other day throwing stuff out, and it seems like it was about a quarter. GA: Oh, that’s good. Oh, I think so. When I worked at The Redwood, I got 50 cents an hour, and that was in the early 60s. Oh, so, my word, I didn’t know that! CS: But, we made good tips there. GA: Oh, I’m sure you would have, yes. CS: Yeah. GA: Well, that was very profitable. CS: Yeah. When you stop to think about it, it was good at that time. GA: And when you worked at the bank, you had given up your job to Irene SimonCS: Irene Simonson, yes. Her husband was the photographer. �GA: Yes. I’ve heard that name. CS: Carl. Carl Simonson. GA: I would never recognize her if I saw her, but I’ve heard the name. CS: Well, you probably knew her son, Bruce. He was village maintenance, head of village maintenance for 50 years. GA: I just nominated Tanya, but that’s it. Your cousin, Frank Lamb, I know. CS: Yeah. GA: Because he was on the basketball team. CS: Yeah. GA: I’ve probably told you, but we used to call him The Nicotine Five. Isn’t that terrible? Because it was Frank Lamb, name me some of the other guys. Lovejoy. Frank Lovejoy. CS: Yeah. Ralph Brickles. GA: Ralph Brickles. Bob Breckenridge. CS: I don’t know. But Bob was younger… Rick Francis. GA: Rick Francis, yes! I thought it was Rex, but Rex went to Fennville then. CS: Yeah. He went to Fennville. GA: He… [gasp] He changed sides. CS: Well, he had to. GA: Yeah, I think there was a little problem there. CS: He and the coach, who was the school principal at the timeGA: Oh, really? CS: Had a disturbance… GA: There was an altercation. �CS: Let’s see. Frank and Ralph, Oh, Bill Hedgeland, I think. GA: That’s right. CS: He was one of them. GA: Will Hedgeland, yes, he was one of them. Oh, that’s right. Because you had a good team. CS: Oh, yeah. GA: They were very good and I know it was always the-. When you played Saugatuck, when Fennville played, that was the game. CS: M-hm. GA: And we played each other twice. Once in Saugatuck, once in Fennville. And those were the biggest turnouts. They were the most exciting. CS: Yeah, still are. GA: The rivalry. I don’t know, when did the rivalry start? CS: Probably from the very beginning. GA: From the beginning, yeah. The Blackhawks and the Indians. The Indians were really, really tough. I remember being in that gym, and it would be so crowded. I know one time my dad was sitting up at the top, and there were guys with snare drums up above him, and a snare drum fell off and hit him right in the head. CS: Oh, gosh. GA: Isn’t that a weird thing to remember? But, it was very crowded in there, very tight. As I recall, the bleachers seemed like they were right on the floor. There was not much room at all. CS: Yeah, it wasn’t very big. GA: But, it was filled with lots of excited spectators. Wow. Now, going back to, I keep thinking about The Hollyhock. How long, then, did your aunt have that? When did she close it? CS: She closed it in 1970, I believe. GA: So, ten years after the pavilion burned. �CS: Yeah, she wasn’t well, so she had to give it up. GA: And nobody took it over? CS: Oh yeah. I can’t remember their last name, but it probably was Sullivan or something. This couple took it over and kept the name. GA: They kept the name The Hollyhock. CS: They were, they just didn’t have as good of a restaurant. GA: I’m sure all the clientele figured that out early on. CS: Yeah. I think they sold to Marrows. GA: Oh, okay. CS: Then Marrows was built in the vacant lot next door to build over the house. GA: Because Marrows has been there quite a while. CS: Oh, yeah. GA: Probably since, what, the mid 70s, then? CS: Probably. I can’t remember the years now. I know there was a couple from Indiana that had the Marrows restaurant for a year. They would come up every summer and open up. They were jealous of my aunt’s restaurant because their food wasn’t that good. [Laughs] GA: And she always liked to cook? CS: Oh, yeah. GA: But she’d never been a restauranter like this before? An entrepreneur or anything? 35:04 CS: Well, when she first came to Saugatuck, she worked at The Green Parrot, I think was the restaurant’s name, so she worked there. GA: So, she said, “I can do this even better on my own.” CS: Well, she didn’t start right away. My father and John Ball had a restaurant on Mason Street. �GA: Oh, really, your dad? CS: Yes, they just had hamburgers and chili. GA: Oh, okay. CS: And my aunt worked there as a waitress. GA: Frank’s mom? CS: Yeah. My mother did the dishes and Mrs. Ball made the pies. GA: Oh, really? CS: And from there, the Balls opened their own restaurant on Butler Street. John Ball Restaurant. I don’t remember… GA: Now is that relation to the John Ball of Grand Rapids? John Ball Park? CS: No, no. GA: No relation whatsoever. CS: And then my aunt opened her… opened Hollyhock House, because my dad went back to building. He’d rather be building than be in a restaurant. GA: That was much more his style. CS: So, my aunt opened Hollyhock House and the Balls opened their restaurant. GA: So, really, there were quite a few restaurants in Saugatuck. CS: Oh, yeah. GA: I remember the Hollyhock, and I remember you used to go downstairs and it was called…. So, it would be in the south end where… What is it called? The Old Crow in the south end? You would go downstairs and there was something called the… CS: The Ratskeller. GA: The Ratskeller, that’s right. I can remember that, and I can remember upstairs. CS: That was, uh, El Forno. �GA: El Forno. CS: And next to that was the Old Crow Bar. GA: The Old Crow Bar, okay. The Ratskeller, that’s right, it was downstairs. What do they call it… The Soda Lounge next to the drugstore? CS: That was on Butler Street. GA: Oh, that was on Butler Street, okay. CS: It was kind of at the back of The Hollyhock House, facing the other side of the street. GA: Ah, because I remember all of the Saugatuck kids going. They called it the Scrounge. CS: Oh. GA: What was it called? CS: The Soda Lounge. GA: They’d call it the Scrounge. I don’t ever remember being in it, but I remember them talking about it. CS: It had been there a long time. GA: Well, go ahead. CS: They used to, they’d go on up after the ball games. The kids could come in. GA: Oh, okay. CS: I don’t know that they were open every evening, but after aGA: After a ball game of some sort. Basketball, football, something like that. CS: Yeah. GA: Oh, no, because Saugatuck didn’t have football. CS: No. GA: That’s right, so they had… Did they have a baseball team? �CS: I don’t know, I don’t think so. GA: So, just basketball. CS: Just basketball. GA: So, no tennis or… CS: Nope. GA: Oh, my word. Then, that’s why the guys were so good. They didn’t have to practice anything else. [Both chuckle] CS: Then, The Soda Lounge moved across the street. It closed up when they were across the street next to the bank, because it was the bank on the corner. GA: Which is now The Garden, right? CS: Yeah. It was just a small… This was after Mike Kenny died. His wife and her sister had The Soda Lounge and it was just a smaller place. They ran that for a while. GA: Had the drugstore always had the soda bar in the back, there, too? CS: Yeah. Well, when we first came, it was right in the front part, The Soda Lounge. I mean, the drugstore. GA: The drugstore. CS: Over on the north wall. They had The Soda Lounge, a soda bar there. When Christianson took it over, he added on the back of the building and had it back there. GA: Is it still there? CS: Oh, yeah. GA: I remember, every summer… CS: They don’t serve all year round. It’s in the summertime. GA: Okay. Because it was always the neatest thing to come to Saugatuck. It was always kind of, “This is enemy territory.” Isn’t that terrible? �CS: It was a bad town. GA: No, it wasn’t a bad town, it was enemy territory. Oh, let’s go to Saugatuck. I can still remember that. Did you ever go to Whatnot Inn? CS: Yeah. GA: That was, when I think of it, thinking of it now, we used to go there as kids, but it was a bar then! CS: Probably, yeah. 40:00 GA: I guess, I would never allow my kids to go to a bar by themselves, but we did. Maybe our folks didn’t know. I don’t know. CS: Maybe they knew the people that were running it and it would be… GA: That’s right. CS: I don’t remember. GA: Deanne DeAngelo. CS: Deanne. GA: DeAngelos, that’s right! Sure, she was. I remember, she was a very pretty girl. Deanne DeAngelo. CS: M-hm. GA: That’s right. Well, then, I’m sure it was okay with the DeAngelos. CS: Yeah. GA: Even if it was a bar. Huh. CS: It was a family-run place. I was trying to remember when the bank was on the corner. GA: M-hm. I can remember the bank being on the corner. That’s where the rose garden is now. �CS: I think it was being remodeled or something. They had to move the money. Every night, they had to move the money out of the vault over to the drugstore. GA: Really? CS: They kept it over there. GA: Oh, my word. CS: Then they brought it back in the morning. I think they must have been remodeling at that time. I wasn’t working there then, so I can’t remember, but that was so funny that… GA: They’d take the money from the bank. CS: In the afternoon they’d take the money to the drug store in a wheelbarrow. [Both laugh]. GA: And I’m sure everybody knew what was happening. CS: Oh, yeah. There was one, two policemen in town. GA: So, they would escort it over there? CS: Yeah. GA: Oh, that’s neat! CS: And they brought it back in the morning. GA: With a police escort? CS: Yeah. GA: Now, I remember the bank being a red brick, sort of a flat building. Was it always that way? CS: It is now. It was a two-story yellow brick building on the corner. GA: Maybe I’m just remembering what it is now, because now it’s back farther than what it was. CS: M-hm. GA: Because before it was… CS: Where the rose garden is. �GA: Oh. But it was a two-story. I guess I don’t… CS: Yes, it was a two-story. There was a dentist up above, an attorney, and some lady. GA: I didn’t know that. What was it called? Not The Chemical Bank. CS: No. GA: It was called what? CS: Fruit Growers. GA: That’s right, Fruit Growers Bank. CS: Then, we merged with South Haven’s Citizens’ Trusted Savings, and it became Citizens’ Trusted Savings. And then they decided to build a new building, the red brick bank. GA: So, that was probably, what? In the 80s or 90s? I don’t know. CS: 1971. GA: Oh, 70s! CS: In 1971, they moved into the new brick building. GA: So, you remember the move, then, very vividly? CS: Oh, yeah. We had to help carry all of the stuff over to the new bank. GA: So, you were working at the bank when they were remodeling and would take it across, or was that before? CS: That was before. GA: That was before. They must have had a huge safe, then, to hold all of the money from the bank. CS: I don’t know what they, how they did it. GA: I hope they didn’t just put it on a shelf someplace. [Laughs] CS: Unless, well, there was a big vault in the bank. Maybe they could keep most of it… Well, they had to have safe deposit boxes in there. �GA: Yeah, they would take a couple… You can’t have more than ten of those. CS: And then the daily money they took over to the drug store. GA: Wow! CS: The old old bank had a corner… [Indistinguishable] GA: Oh, on the outside of it? CS: Yeah. That’s what they took down and remodeled. GA: When they were remodeling, yeah, okay. Hmmm. When was it built originally, do you know? CS: I don’t remember. GA: But, a long, long time ago. But, yellow brick? CS: M-hm. GA: Interesting. Did it take up that whole space? It was really quite large. CS: Yeah. GA: Much larger than it is now. CS: Yeah, well… GA: Did it have a basement? CS: This one has a basement. GA: There was a basement. CS: There was a basement too in the old one, yeah. GA: Did you ever go down there? CS: Yeah. It was all dark and spidery. GA: So, it wasn’t all nice and clean, you know, with lights. �CS: When they were going to tear it down and move everything over to the new bank, we had to go down there to see if there was something we had to save. A lot of stuff we probably should have saved but didn’t. It was just piled away. GA: Well, when was this new one built, then? You said about ’71. CS: Yeah. GA: So, did it take them? I mean, you moved in ’71 or ’72? CS: It was finished in 1971. GA: 1971. CS: We moved everything over there. GA: And then you worked there for how many more years? CS: Altogether, starting at the corner, 35 years. GA: Oh, my word! That’s wonderful! And this all came because you were such a good typist. CS: Yeah. And now, I can’t type. [Laughs] 45:03 GA: Oh, well, hey. Now, everything is done… The kids are good at… When they dig up students’ bodies they are going to wonder why their thumbs look so strange, but that’s how they do their typing. CS: Well, we had typewriters. GA: Well, that was before computers. CS: Yeah. We had computers towards the end. GA: Towards the end, okay. CS: Of my employment there. That’s when I got out. I didn’t want to get confused. Well, I wanted to retire anyways. GA: But you were there when they had the big robbery, weren’t you? �CS: I was working there, but I hadn’t gotten there. This happened early in the morning, 8:00 in the morning, and I got there at 8:30. It was just Pat and Frank Wicks that were there. GA: But you heard about it, then? CS: When I came to work, Pat met me at the back door, and she said, “Well, we’ve been robbed.” And then she said, “You gotta come in.” The place was full of police and sheriffs. GA: What did they ask you? CS: I really can’t remember. We had to take lie detector tests there. During the investigation, we all had to take lie detector tests. Like, where were we and when did we come to work, and all that. I can’t really remember that. GA: So, then, you would come in a back door. CS: Yeah. GA: Because banks didn’t open until what, 9:00? CS: 9:00. We never could quite figure out how they got the front door open. They just walked right in even though they had been locked the night before, but somehow they… GA: Did they ever catch them? CS: They didn’t catch-. Oh, well, they did, but this was long after. GA: Because they wore masks, like presidential masks or something like this. CS: I can’t remember that, because I didn’t see them, but one of them was arrested down in Florida. He ratted on the rest of them. GA: Oh, okay. CS: Told them who the rest of them were. GA: They had to be… They really planned that, then. CS: Yeah. They were… They were renting a condo as you come into town. It was on the river right there as you turned into Saugatuck, North Shore Harbor Condos, or something. They had been living… They were living there. They had rented there. �GA: And they just cased the whole place? CS: They knew when Brinks was going to come and pick up the money. It was…. It was Labor Day weekend. And, of course, Brinks didn’t come that Monday, so all that money was held over to the next weekend. GA: They were very professional, then, weren’t they? CS: They never did recover any of the money, but eventually all of them were caught. GA: But they never, ever figured out how they were able to get in those front windows, those front doors? CS: No. I wonder if they ever questioned them to find out how they did it. GA: I would think so, because obviously they’d have to have… CS: Tools. I don’t know. GA: You’ve had some experiences here, haven’t you? CS: Then we had a fire in the new bank. GA: Oh, I didn’t know this! Tell me about that. CS: I forget when it happened, but it was at night. Somebody coming out of The Sand Bar saw smoke coming up from the bank and called the fire department. The manager, John Guyer, was living on Cambeck Road. They called him, and he went down there, and Pat. Pat was where she lives now, so she came. They had three people to call if anything happened. One was the manager, one was Pat, and one was me. Pat tried to get me, but I didn’t hear the phone. GA: Well, it was in the middle of the night, so. CS: Yeah. Well, I did finally get down there. It was an electrical fire in the box where all the wires and things were. John Guyer, the first thing he thought about were the Carl Herman paintings. GA: Oh. �CS: There were four of them in the bank, and he got them all down. The fire was over where they were hanging on the wall. He got them all down, covered them up, and then saved them all. 50:04 GA: Well, that was very lucky. Was there much damage done inside the bank? CS: Oh, yeah. We couldn’t. We couldn’t work in there. We had to get a trailer out in the parking lot. We had to work out of the trailer. GA: For probably a couple of weeks. CS: Well, longer than that. GA: Longer than that? CS: It was during the winter. GA: Oh, no! CS: And it was cold. [Both chuckle] GA: Oh, dear. CS: Nothing under the trailer. They had straw bales under the sides. GA: But that doesn’t protect much, oh my word. CS: Every night, we had to bring everything over into the vault and lock it up. The vault was still.. GA: Still useable. CS: Still useable, yeah. GA: In the bank. CS: Because it had been closed-up while the fire was going on. GA: That would be fireproof, too, I’m sure. CS: Yeah. �GA: Wow. CS: But the restrooms were over there. [Both laugh] We didn’t have any in the trailer. GA: [Laughs] My turn! I can’t wait! Hurry up and take this customer! CS: You’d put a coat on and run over there. GA: Oh, dear. [Chuckles] When was this, do you remember what year? CS: Gosh, I can’t remember the date. GA: Well, it was after ’71, though. CS: Yeah. GA: So, probably the late 80s, maybe? CS: The 80s, okay. Yeah, it had to have been in the 80s. GA: So, the bank was really not that old. CS: No. There was a basement in that bank, too. There was smoke, the smell of smoke down there, but I don’t remember any damage in the basement. It was all on the upper level. GA: Luckily, someone was coming out of The Sand Bar and caught it. CS: Yeah. GA: Wow. CS: I don’t think of anything else. Well, it must have been around Christmastime when it happened, because we had a Christmas tree in the lobby. GA: A Christmas tree, okay. But, then you didn’t have room for that when you moved into this itty bitty… CS: Oh, no. It was… We probably got back into the bank in the spring or summer. GA: But even so, that’s gonna be quite a while. CS: It was a long time, especially in the winter to be freezing like that. �GA: See, I’d never heard that before. I’m sure a lot of people. CS: I have photographs of the trailer, it would have been the trailer. GA: I’d bet they’d like that here, it would be nice. CS: Well, they’ve got a lot of those. It was around the holidays because the people in town were so good to us. They kept bringing us food. GA: Probably hot cocoa or something like that. CS: We did have coffee. But they brought cakes, and rolls, and donuts. GA: All those good things. CS: Candy, man. A lot of stuff. GA: And I think that’s part of what makes Saugatuck so neat because it’s so small, especially in the wintertime. Everybody knows everybody. CS: Yeah. GA: Because all of the outsiders, I should say a majority of them, are gone because people are not going to come here in the wintertime, because it’s mainly the summer, the water, the hunting, the fishing. CS: One winter, we had one of those sled dog races. GA: Down to Main Street? CS: I don’t know. I think they were out of town, but they were all in town with the dogs. This was after the pavilion was gone. GA: So, after 1960. CS: Yeah. All these people were there with their sled dogs. They all came into town. GA: Well, that would be a good draw. So, they went right down Butler Street, then? Main Street? CS: I can’t remember where they raced. It had to be out of town, probably, but they parked their trailers in town. �GA: Woof, woof, lots of dogs. Well, that would be exciting. Those are good memories. CS: We used to have a rubber duck parade race on the river. GA: Oh really? CS: Where people would sponsor a rubber duck. GA: In front of the pavilion? CS: No, it was down by the ferry. We’d dump them all in the river and see who won. GA: So did they go… I don’t know what way the river flows, probably to the lake. CS: Yeah. GA: So, they would float north, right? CS: I don’t know if they had a way to keep them from going all the way to the lake. GA: They probably had a cut off for whose got there first? CS: Yeah. GA: Ah, that’s fun. CS: We only did that once? GA: Did you do it? CS: No. 55:00 GA: Oh, Cynthia, come on! Rubber duckies! [Both laugh] Were they yellow ones, or bright? CS: They were yellow. GA: And they had numbers on them so you could know whose was whose? CS: M-hm. GA: Oh, that’s neat. What else can you think of that was different? I’ve never heard of that. That’s neat. �CS: This is jumping around. GA: Oh, that’s okay. CS: They used to have Venetian Night at the pavilion where people would come in costume and they had dancing and costumes and the Venetian Boat Parade used to be really big. There used to be 25-30 boats in the parade with decorated… GA: Decorated with lights on them and costume and theme. I would assume they had a theme they would carry out? CS: I don’t know if they ever had a theme, you just decorated. There were a lot of them. And then, when gas got expensive, the boats, they didn’t want to use their gas in a parade, so. GA: And probably different organizations or families or whatever would have the boat, or it could be your little boat. CS: Yeah. GA: For example, Oxbow might have one or something like that. CS: They had one, and the Saugatuck Yacht Club and the Singapore Yacht Club. Different groups would have a boat decorated. GA: That’s neat! CS: And then, I used to sit on the roof of my aunt’s restaurant to watch it at night. GA: Oh, it was at night? CS: The boat parade was at night. GA: Oh, sure, with all of the lights on it would be much more exciting. So, you sat on the roof? CS: Yeah, I could climb out the bedroom, out of the hall window and sit and get a good view. GA: [Laughs] And not get yelled at, right? CS: That must have been after the pavilion was gone, otherwise there wouldn’t be much to see. GA: Otherwise, the pavilion would have been in the way. �CS: Yeah. GA: And nobody yelled at you for sitting on the roof? CS: No. [Both laugh] GA: Oh my word. Well, Cynthia, this has been very, very interesting. When you think of some other things, we will talk the next time we do newsletters. I’ll try to take notes or not. I don’t have a little recorder, but I think this would be really, really great for them. I thank you so much for sharing these memories with me. Remember they are going to go to Grand Valley. CS: I didn’t know that. I thought it was going to be kept here. GA: Well, yes, but they will go there. I think that’s where they are going to sort through them and put them all in, then coming back because they are going to stay here as far as this is concerned. Stories of Summer, is that what the whole thing is called? CS: A lot of mine was winter. [Chuckles] GA: Well, its memories of the Saugatuck-Douglas area. So, thank you very much, Cynthia. I appreciate that. This was fun, and it wasn’t so horrible, was it? CS: Well… GA: Well, yes, I know. [Chuckles] CS: I can’t think. GA: Oh, yes you can. CS: Of dates and things like that. I don’t remember certain dates. GA: Well, I think you’ve done a very good job. I enjoyed it, and I’ve learned a lot. We know that you will not have your picture taken because that’s what you said. CS: Right. GA: So, that’s going to be on here before I shut it off. � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. 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This oral history is being collected as part of the Stories of Summer Project, which is supported in part by Grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage program. Thank you for taking the time to talk with me today. I'm interested to learn more about your family history and your experiences this summer, in particular in the Saugatuck-Douglas area. Can you please tell me your full name, Larry, and spell it? LP: It's Larry Richard Phillips. L A R R Y R I C H A R D P H I L L I P S. EG: Okay, very good. So, we'll start in the beginning you were talking about the old schoolhouse and being a student here. Tell me bit about where you grew up. LP: I grew up in Douglas [Laugh] EG: Okay. LP: We lived in Saugatuck with my dad who's in the service. EG: Okay. LP: In fact, I met my dad when I was five years old. when we went to pick him up on the bus when he came back from World War II. MS: Wow, that's an amazing story. LP: And I went to the first grade over there and then we moved to Douglas and I was in the second grade here. EG: So, first grade in Saugatuck and then transferred if you will cross the river. LP: The River here to Douglas, yeah. EG: Very good. Tell me little bit about your parents and your family and maybe their names and �what they did, what their background is with.. LP: My family… My wife's name is Carol. We've got three children. Alison, Kevin, and Michelle. Alison lives in Hudsonville and the other two are located pretty local. They're out on Old Allegan Road. EG: Okay, so stayed close, family stayed close together. LP: Yep, pretty close. EG: Your parents, you mentioned your father was in the service in World War II. What was his name? LP: Henry Phillips was his name. EG: Was he from Saugatuck originally? LP: No, he was from Fennville. EG: Okay. So, there's a family connection there in the area. What was his role in the second World War? LP: Just Infantry. EG: Was he in Europe? LP: Yes. EG: Or the Pacific? LP: Landed in Italy and walked to England. EG: Okay. MS: Wow. [All Laugh] LP: As the war moved, so. Right, yeah. He didn't really walk to England, because you have to get across the water. [Laughs] There's some other transportation involved. �EG: For sure, yeah. What were some of your of most vivid memories from childhood growing up and Douglas? LP: Vivid ones? [Laughs] EG: Ones that stuck out, memories growing up. They could be here at school or could be off you know in the neighborhood or off at the the beach or river, or… LP: As a kid, I mean we probably use the athletic field down there for everything because we played, I think, baseball, every day that it was a good day. Yeah, in the winter we always went sledding to the golf course. EG: Uh-huh. LP: Had bicycles in the summer, would ride to Baldhead. We'd climb the face of Baldhead. Can't do that anymore, but back then, you could. [All Laugh] EG: Uh-huh. LP: And, yeah that's really just about it. EG: Yeah, how about… You mentioned your father in Fennville. Your mother's family? Was she also from Fennville? LP: My mother's family was from Sweden. and they were in Minnesota, then they went to Chicago, and then they bought a a farm up here and my mother graduated from this school. EG: Okay. LP: Oh. and my dad's mother graduated, which is my grandmother. She graduated from this school too in eighth grade. EG: What was your mother's name? LP: Francis. EG: And what was her maiden name? �LP: Ekdahl. EG: Can you spell that? LP: E K D A H L. Wait a minute, it might be E C ? E C K D A H L. Boy, I've never been asked us to for a long time. EG: Yeah, that's a tough one to pull off, yeah. LP: I was thinking about the family history pieces and thinking about those. My cousin Alice, her last name was Eckdahl. She's married to John Bock, who was an ex-Fire Chief in Saugatuck. EG: Okay. MS: Oh, wow. EG: A close web of connections in a small town right, or series of towns. 5:01 EG: So, deep roots here in the community, gets a little sense of how your family first came here. Particular memories you had growing up here that you know you say that were good or bad parts about being in town or growing up here? LP: They were always really good because we had Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. We used at sea scouts. I never belonged to the sea scouts. EG: Okay. LP: Yeah. EG: Were there some particular activities that stand out from that for you? LP: Just playing ball. EG: Just playing ball. How about in the scouts? LP: At that time there was a shuffleboard dollar tennis court. �EG: Okay. LP: The whole works. Plenty of things. EG: Lots of activities down there. I know in some other interviews, baseball stood out as the sport in town. In town, yeah, now when you… When you went to Fennville for high school did you participate in any sports or clubs or anything? LP: No, I couldn't because I had to ride the bus back. There was no way for me to get back. When my parents picked me up because we only had one car, and my dad used that because he was working. EG: Oh. LP: So, I couldn't get involved in sports. I would have played baseball if I would have been able to get back and forth. EG: What were the years, approximately, that you were in school that you were in school here in Douglas? LP: I think I started school here, it was either '46 or '47. EG: Okay. LP: And then I graduated from the eighth grade here. And then I graduated from high school in 1957, in Fennville. EG: Right. Was there a particular reason that you went to high school in Fennville as opposed to Saugatuck? LP: At that time, Douglas with a separate identity. EG: Right. LP: Saugatuck had the high school. We weren't tied in with Saugatuck, so we could go to any one wanted to. Then, some of the kids went to Saugatuck. EG: Right. LP: There was a bus that went to town for Fennville, so... �EG: Got you, that was more convenient. LP: There were about four or five of us that went to Fennville. Because of the bus, it was more convenient, as opposed to Saugatuck, where you would just have to walk. EG: Walk, right. LP: Or get a ride or something. EG: Yeah. Got you. Very interesting. Very much kind of a world. LP: All of the roads are gravel except the road that come down through town. Okay, that used to be Old 31. EG: Right. MS: How mock the gravel roads everywhere. LP: All gravel. EG: Growing up here in Douglas in particular were there, were there businesses and places or institutions beyond the field there that you hung out or that were important for you or your family? LP: Well, the one restaurant that was the Soda Lounge, which is now Everyday People. I think that's always been a restaurant in one shape or form. EG: Okay, yeah. LP: And the bakery. EG: What was the Soda House like when you were growing up or a teenager? LP: Well, you'd get an ice-cream cone for a nickel. [Laughs] MS: That's awesome. EG: That sounds like a good deal. �LP: You might be allowed one of those every two weeks or so. [All Laugh] EG: Right, absolutely. LP: But then, we go there in the morning when waiting for the bus because it always open it up so could in where it was warm, which was kind of nice. EG: For sure. MS: Very nice. LP: Bill Kruger was the name of the gentleman who owned it, and where he left I have no idea, but he coached us to use one of our coaches for baseball. EG: Okay. MS: Oh, wow. EG: Very nice. So, ice-cream there was this was a stand-out. Were there others? LP: Then the Douglas Bakery was there. EG: Particular things remember eating from or that you wanted to eat? LP: I think that was one of my first jobs that I had. I think was eleven years old and sorted pop bottles and beer bottles. EG: Okay. MS: Oh wow. EG: Uh-huh. Very cool, very interesting, yeah. So, other work? So, thinking about summertime is the focus of this. Other jobs that you had? It sounds like you worked there, and were there other things you did during the summertime in terms of work? LP: I had a ... I delivered papers at that time. I think it cost fifteen cents a week to have the paper delivered. �MS: Oh, that's a good deal. [All Laugh] LP: In the winter you had to walk it, but if I don't answer the number you could ride a bike. EG: Right. So, daily? Daily delivery? Was it a daily paper? LP: Yep, a daily paper. 10:00 EG: Some early mornings. LP: Some early mornings, yeah. [Chuckles] Then I worked at Sickle's Market. EG: And what kind work did you do? LP: Stocking shelves and doing that. EG: So, tell me a bit about after your graduation from high school what were your steps from there? What did you do at that point? LP: Well, I graduated in '57 and I went to work in 1957 in at Food Industries. EG: Okay. LP: I work. I worked there for.... jeez. Well, I was part of Lloyd J Harris Pie Company, but it was called Food Industries. EG: Okay. What… how did you… what was your entrance there? How did you get hired there? LP: Stacking crates. EG: Stacking crates? LP: Of apples delivering crates of apples. EG: Okay. �LP: Well, not crates of apples, the crates. Loading trucks in. EG: That was a year-round job or seasonal? LP: The first year was seasonal because I got laid off in the summer EG: Okay. LP: …but I had another guy who mowed yards. We had a good time doing that. So, we made it through. It's not a bad place to be in the summer. EG: No, it isn't. LP: There's always, you can always find a job, if you want a job. EG: And then from that point, what other work did you do there? Or, what was your…? LP: I ended up... I was... The manager that was there was Joe Prentergass, and he was the one that got us started with Lloyd J Harris. And, then, when I came back to work I took care of Harris' house. Mowed the yard, cleaned the swimming pool that's one reason we don't have a swimming pool, because I had my fill of cleaning those. [Laughs] EG: That was enough of that, right? LP: Yeah, it was the in summer. Usually had to fix crates or do something else while it was down. [Phone Rings] LP: Oh, I think that's me. Whoops. EG: That's okay. LP: I have no idea what it is for. Soon as you touch it, it's gone. MS: It's ended already. EG: Not a problem, not a problem at all. Yeah. So other work that you had there with Harris? Talk a little bit about that. �LP: Well, yeah, then I started driving truck. okay. and hauling between here and Saugatuck. We fixed apples, prepared apples for them to make into pies. And also went to... then we'd collect blueberries in the summer, at the Locker Plant, because they owned that. EG: So, lots of fruit on the move. LP: Fruit on the move. [All Laugh] EG: Any questions that pop out to you there, Megan? LP: Seems like it was 62 or 63 when they closed it. Three of us worked up in Shelby, Michigan, and established another plant up there for doing all the fruit up there with Lloyd Harris. We'd rode back and forth with him every day. EG: Kind of… maybe thinking a little bit about Saugatuck and Douglas together, what were some of your impressions of Saugatuck, as someone living in Douglas through your school years high school years and beyond? LP: Oh, we always hung out in Saugatuck. EG: Okay, spent a lot of time there. LP: We did. The Soda Lounge was there and that's where everybody congregated, and you had all the records you listen to. You’d have to pay for it but I mean it was no big deal. Well, it was, but… EG: So this will be in the mid-fifties? LP: Yeah. The big pavilion was there, you'd go there for movies. That's when you're kid. When you got older it was a bar down there. MS: That's right. LP: Spent some time there as well. I guess. EG: This is good. So yeah, what can you tell me a little bit about the Soda House, the Soda Lounge? What kind of records were there? Were there…? �LP: Oh, all 50s. EG: Oh sure. LP: Lots of R&B. Galveston. Yeah, a lot of Country Western was starting to be pretty popular back then. EG: Are there any particular records you remember or artists you remember? LP: Not really. [Laughs] That was a long time ago. We had a good time. Had a good time. There you go, that's right. Of course, cars, hot rod cars were the thing back then, too. EG: Mhm. Did you have a car? LP: I did. I did. Yeah, when I was seventeen I bought a brand-new 1958 Chevrolet Impala. EG: Okay. MS: Nice. 15:04 LP: Three, 348 engine, dry car, the whole works. That was certainly a car payment. You know, $107 a month. So, you know I had to work. [Laughs] EG: What was the terms of that loan? Was it like two years, three years? How did that work? LP: I remember it cost me $3400, and it weighed 3400 lbs. EG: A dollar a pound, okay. LP: It was $107... Yeah, that's how I remember it. The payments were...$100 I think they were $106. That's why I had to work during the summer when we were laid off. EG: Sure. LP: Unemployment paid $40, but I had to pay the rest. EG: That is a significant car payment. Were there… were their fair number of people you knew from high school that had cars? �LP: Oh yeah. EG: Pretty common? LP: Yeah, pretty common. Everybody was always wanting to race, one way or another. EG: Yeah, that is definitely one of the themes that we're really interested in with this project, especially during the summer. The kind of shenanigans of Saugatuck and Douglas through the 1950's and 60s. Tell me a little bit about racing, hot rod culture. LP: Well, we used to race in Stanton Michigan. So, every weekend we probably be six or eight of us that would drive up there. Up by Greenville. Yeah. Up by [Indistinguishable]. I think the drag strip is still there. EG: It still is there. LP: It's still there. And then there was one in Indiana I can't remember the name of that one right now. EG: Okay. LP: We went down there just a couple times. Yeah. We put a group of people from here that you knew from the community would go up there to Stanton up and down Indiana. EG: Yeah, interesting. LP: So, this was the weekend. Usually, every weekend you were somewhere for racing. EG: Okay, very interesting. How'd that go? [Laugh] How many did you win? LP: I think I won two trophies. EG: Okay. MS: Nice. [All Laugh] LP: Right now, you can probably buy those trophies for three dollars, so what you had invested it wasn't really for making the money. �EG: Sure, sure. That's fascinating. Did you do a lot of customization or modification that you made to your cars? LP: Oh, yeah. Yeah, obviously, all lowered, with laid pipes on. It would come out like… EG: Yeah. Right. I assume you drove your car, I mean... LP: Yeah, we drove them back and forth. EG: Yeah, that's what I meant. LP: My friend, he had a Corvette. We towed that back with a rope, at fifty-five mile an hour too. Oh, yeah and he would put his brakes on if he see someone trying to pull out. Because If I just hit the brakes... EG: Yeah, right... Yeah right. I mean... He couldn't quite react, so it was up to him to make sure he can put the brakes on. So, anyways, up to Stanton, I think it's 80 miles. EG: It's a long way from here. LP: 80-90? EG: Yeah, it'd be a good haul. LP: It's quite North and East in Grand Rapids. So, yeah and no highways. I mean, no 131, 196, or any of that. EG: How did you go up there? Did you just- did you start right away and back roads? LP: Back roads. Yeah, back roads. That all ended when I got married, so. [Chuckles] Racing days were over. EG: How old were you when you got married? LP: 20. EG: So, a couple years. �LP: A couple years. A couple years of having… I'm not gonna say it, good time. EG: Yeah. How did you meet your wife? LP: Well, that same summer that I was laid off. I worked for a gentleman who had a milk delivery. EG: Okay. LP: I did the commercial runs every weekend. Well, she was from Hopkins and she was some living with some lady in Saugatuck, and she worked at the one restaurant where I had made a delivery and we met that way. EG: Got you. What was the restaurant? LP: [Sighs] Ned Roberts owned it. Portacall. EG: Okay, very good. LP: Boy, you're getting lucky on my memory. It's not the greatest at times It comes and goes sometimes. It's like AM radio, fades in, fades out. [All laugh] 19:50 EG: So, racing. Did you ever race at the Air Park Speedway? LP: No, but we went to there when I was in grade school, because a friend who announced made the announcements while we were running and all that we'd set up there in the booth with him. It was Thomas... We had Thomas Insurance here, if you ever heard of that. EG: I have not, not yet. [All Laugh] EG: Not yet. I like that connection. LP: Yeah, so definitely an interesting in racing and hot rods. That's where we… EG: Was there driving around racing, racing on the streets as well in this area? �LP: Oh, yeah. One of the cops used to watch for us help us out. So, that he knew the kids were doing it, you know, so he would watch over you a little bit me. Try to reduce the chance of accidents and things like that. EG: So, get in pretty so decent relationship with the police in town. Never a problem, yeah. EG: Yeah. How about when, you know part of the story… kind of you know things going on and Saugatuck and Douglas go through late 50s and 60s but running with experience with you know biker gangs is certainly something we've read a lot about. Did have any experience? LP: We were... I was married when we had that, because I was a fire department over in Douglas, and they rounded up a bunch of them in right took their motorcycles away from them, put them in jail overnight and they put everything in the fire department, so the fire departments guys to go back release them to them and that's how they copped out is what they did. They were done. But, the guys were decent guys that had the motorcycles, they were just partying and having a high old time. Sometimes, it got out of control. EG: Too many, too many drinks too many times. LP: Too many drinks, yeah. EG: So you had all those bikes and stuff in fire station while you were there. LP: Yeah, that's where they put them. EG: Anything that stands out? LP: That's when it was underneath the Village Hall. EG: Okay. Got you. LP: When the Fire Department was underneath it. EG: Yeah. Anything that stands out about that? Were they decent guys? Where are these guys from? Where were these, if you remember? All over? LP: All over, yeah I think this group was out of Illinois though, kinda sticks in my mind. From the Chicago area. �EG: Interesting. LP: Not trying to pass it onto Illinois. [Laughs] EG: That's a first... That stands, that jumps out to you. LP: Yeah, it stands out. I won't say it's a fact, but that's... EG: Right. LP: But that was just once that that ever happened, though. But I know the town would be so busy it would be blocked off. They just stop traffic from going in because it was no more room for cars to park or do anything else. They just stopped it and barricaded the roads. If you grew up around here you know how to get in without... [All Laugh] MS: Other ways in. LP: Other ways, yeah. [Laughs] EG: Knew all the back roads. LP: Saugatuck's always been a busy, busy town. EG: Yeah. Lots of activity. Were there, kind of switching, your experiences there. You mentioned spending a lot of time there, hanging out in high school and teenage years and twenties. Were there particular places that you, aside from the Soda Lounge, you mentioned bars, as you got older, bars or restaurants...? LP: I didn't really frequent the bars. yeah. If anything, once we' were married, we'd go to The Butler to eat, or the Coral Gables. We didn't do that very often. [All laugh] EG: Not common. LP: Not, no. �EG: You said you had three kids? LP: It was a real treat. Three kids. EG: That's a handful right there [All Laugh] LP: You know what you had to order, you knew how much you could spend, and you knew how many drinks you could have, because you still had to pay the babysitter when you got home, so it was a good deal whatever you did it. Most of the time, we got together with other people that we hang around with you know and have get togethers at their house. You know, have dinner or something. Somebody brings this you bring that. That worked well. MS: Nice little potluck. EG: Do you remember some of the families that you guys used to hang out with for dinners and things like that? LP: Yeah. A lot of are them gone already. Shruten Gus was one of them. The Whitemans. He was the plumber in town. 25:12 LP: Oh, golly. I know there was a lot of other people there but you most of are them all gone now too. Oh, and then we snowmobiled too. We started the snowmobile club, The Snow Gutters. There were some fifty some members. EG: What year did that start, approximately? 1960s? 50s. LP: Oh, quite early. Because I ended up I bought a used snowmobile. It was a year old it, was a 59. Then, I bought a brand-new one that was 1960. EG: Okay. Nice. LP: Yeah. That was out at the old airport. Okay. And then you could ride in the winter I mean the winters were bad enough where you could just take off and ride anywhere you wanna go. EG: Was that common in town, that people road snow machines in town, or not so much? �LP: Well, we set up trail areas where you wanted to go into town, to any of The Butler or the Coral Gables. You had a certain way that we put up signs for snowmobiles in town, in Douglas also. EG: Okay, that's great. What were those, do you remember what snowmobiles you had, the 59 and the 60? LP: Ours were Arctic Cats. There were Arctic Cats, Polaris. I think they're both still about the only ones going. I can try to remember some of the other names, but I can't. Johnson was making some. EG: Yeah, Johnson had one. LP: Oh, there were a lot of different brands. I don't remember them anymore, I'm sorry. EG: That's alright, I was just curious. Where did they come from? Was there a dealer? Where did people get them? LP: We bought the Arctic Cats in Holland, and Mercury was over across that was one of the other brands the Mercury Motor, or Snowmobile, yeah and I was trying to think there was another one up here next to where the Red Wood Drive-In used to be. I can't remember what brand it was. It was pretty popular, but they would repair any snow mobiles. EG: Right. LP: If you had a problem with them, most of time you better do your own fixing. [Laugh] Which is often. EG: Often. [All Laugh] LP: Yeah, it was. EG: Very cool. So, it's a winter experience there, too. LP: Pretty fun stuff from early on. EG: Yeah. Favorite places to go in the summertime? You mentioned Mount Baldhead and climbing that as a kid. Oval Beach. �LP: Yeah, Oval Beach. Douglas Beach. We didn't... We went camping once up to Holland when the kids were little, stayed up at the State Park. Otherwise, you got you got your summer destination right here. EG: Okay. LP: We had a boat. EG: A boat as well, nice. Do you have other questions that you can think of here? MS: Yeah, you mentioned the big pavilion and the pavilion in the movie theater. Did you go there often or maybe just once or twice? LP: No, it used to be every week whenever they'd change. If it was a decent movie, we went over there to see it. MS: Oh, nice. LP: And we used to go to the wrestling there. okay. Oh, wrestling? Gorgeous George and all the Flow Eagle... [All Laugh] LP: I can't believe they can fake stuff so well. EG: They do a pretty good job. LP: That was inside the big ballroom where they have the wrestling. EG: Right. MS: Oh wow. EG: Other events you remember or other things, memorable things from the Big Pavilion you remember doing there or seeing in there? LP: They had a drive theater just half-way to Holland. EG: Okay. �LP: Oh yeah, so we go there for movies when the kids are little. EG: Right. LP: That was perfect. Yeah, quite a lot of... a lot of people did it. 30:08 EG: So, you mentioned you were in the fire department. Were you in the Fire Department when the Pavilion caught on fire? LP: Yes, I was because I was was one of the other firemen and we were up on top of the roof at the El Forno. EG: Okay. LP: Yeah, and it got so hot, we were hiding behind where the air movement came out of the building you know yeah. Yeah, because it was so hot. When it finally broke lose, really good, that was a little scary. EG: I bet. MS: I can't imagine. LP: Because if you look where the pavilion was right there in relationship to the El Forno. I mean, next door. EG: It was next door you. LP: Oh, man, because house is on the other side burnt, one of the restaurants and then it was three houses across the river that caught fire and burned to the ground. EG: Okay. MS: Oh wow. EG: From the embers? LP: Yeah. It was a good thing the wind was out of the direction that it was. �EG: Right. LP: Otherwise, it could have taken could've whole the town. EG: Right. MS: Oh wow. LP: It was a huge fire. EG: Yeah, for sure. Other parts aspects of that do you remember? How you get the call or how you respond to that? LP: I was working at the pie factory and somebody… They just had a bell at that time and then finally… Well, it was Lloyd Harris himself, he came out to the dock and he says they got severe fire going on downtown at the pavilion, so you guys can go help so I was not on the fire department at that time. EG: Okay, got you. They just recruited you as volunteer. LP: Yeah, to volunteer to go down and help where you could. EG: Yeah. When you were up at El Forno's roof, did you have water or something? LP: Yeah, we had fire hoses. EG: Okay, got you. LP: Trying to keep that the roof and that wet, wetted down too, to keep that from catching fire. EG: Yeah, quite the fire. How long did that go on? What was your term memory of that experience there? LP: Oh, it must have been that at least six hours and I know there was a crew that stated during the night because it was you know, it would flash up a little bit just to maintain it, but I didn't I didn't help. That was done they when the building finally collapsed and everything, everything was gone anyways. It was shortly after that that I got on the fire department. EG: Okay. That was your baptism by fire. �LP: Right and I spent forty-some years the on fire department. okay. Between Saugatuck, between Douglas and then when Douglas went to Saugatuck. John Black was the Chief and I was the Assistant Chief. EG: Yeah. Are there other big event that you remember responding to this is part of that. LP: Oh yeah, the Tara when it burned, right next door. That was a a big fire. Yeah, there was a couple hotels in Saugatuck that burned. Can't remember the names of them.... Mount Baldhead Hotel, where Ship and Shore is. That burned. I can't remember the other one was in the middle, but it was another hotel that burned to the White... The Whitehouse, I think it's called but it was Casablanca, and blanca is Spanish for white. EG: Right yeah, yeah. Very good. So, and then, kinda shifting back to work at the Harris Pie Factory. Tell me about your work there in the later years, jumping forward a little bit. And, I'm guessing, retirement? LP: Well yeah, when Food closed finally. I went to Saugatuck and worked and drove a lift truck, and then I got involved in maintenance. Worked my way up through there. Went to several schools. Got knowledge of refrigeration and electrical. EG: Okay. The whole works. LP: So then, I got the opportunity to be head of maintenance and chief engineer for the whole plant and anything involved. 35:13 LP: Then, well, we went through some bad times there, too. When Harris sold the business, he sold it to Mrs. Smith Pie Company. I don't know if you've ever heard of Mrs. Smith, but they're out east, out in Pennsylvania. EG: Yeah. LP: It got caught in an anti-trust suit. EG: Okay. MS: Oh. �EG: What year was this? LP: And it was that way for two years, then two guys bought it. Frank Roca and I can't remember the name of the other, the guy’s name but they were there for the money because all the money that had made it went into the bank in a lump sum and they paid so much for the plant on took the money. EG: Got you. About what year was this... Did Harris sell the plant and then the ... LP: I think it was around… [Mutters] I want to say it was in the seventies. EG: Okay. LP: If I start talking about another one, I'll probably remember when the date was. But, they had it for two years. And, then it went. They were having trough financial and a company in Chicago took us over and they finished it up in about a year and a half or so. It had right around 78 when it all started going bad because at '82 it was closed and two of us were retained by the bank to keep it, so nobody would mess with it. In '82 Mrs.... or Rich Products wanted to buy all the equipment and they came there, and they were looking at. They wanted all the equipment and they asked me if I stay there to help him unload it and I says, "No, when that happens, I'll be gone." They just, then they decided to buy the whole plant. EG: Okay. LP: When the meantime, Chef Pierre was after me to go work for them in Traverse City. I kind of held them off because Rich Products and them both gave me an offer on the same day. I went up there and they showed houses and everything else for us to move there. EG: It's good to be in demand. [All Laugh] LP: Yeah, it was. Worked out where they both made me the same. nearly the same offer. okay and I didn't have to move and start paying for another house. [Chuckles] So, I just stayed, yeah. Yeah, that was in 1982, and I was assistant manager with a fellow from Winchester, Virginia. and then he got called to another plant in Appleton and they made me general manager. I did that for twelve years. then they got so busy that they didn't want to build any more in the town. The town really wasn't real good favor about adding more industrial area to it because it's a resort town, so. �EG: Right. In this specific location, probably, too. LP: Right. EG: It's right there, right on your way in and out of town. LP: Right, yep. So, they just turned it over to Sarah Lee, the business and then we shut the whole plant down and stripped it I'm trying to remember the fellows that bought it. Anyway, the Fruit Exchange. The office building used to be the old Saugatuck Fruit Exchange, the one on the south side of Culvers Street, where it's a park now. EG: Yeah. LP: That had I big building in there. It might be one of those pictures in there of that, I don't know. EG: Okay, we will have to look. So, this would have been the early 1990s? LP: No, it was in 1998, when that happened. EG: Okay. LP: That's when we closed it, when we were done with it. EG: Got you. LP: And then, I worked for Rich Products, going around to different plants, helping them on different items and I did that for two years and then a friend of mine. I went to work for him in Grand Rapids for two years and retired. 40:01 LP: Excuse me a minute, I don't... EG: No, that's okay. LP: It was the wife. My daughter and all of them are in Hawaii. EG: Very nice. �MS: A good place to be. LP: I don't know why you'd travel anywhere else when right here, you've got everything you need here, beach wise. EG: Changes that you've of kind of, reflecting over changes seen you in Saugatuck and Douglas? What are some things that have changed the most from your childhood to now? LP: Well, we used to…. The Butler, we went there last night. We still do, but you don't know anybody any more in there. Used to be our town, you know, and now it's the younger, a different group that is in there. And we belong to the Singapore Yacht Club, because we were there for 12 years with a boat, and then we bought a motor home and did that for about ten years and now we got a fifth-wheel that we bought, and sat a lot in Florida, and we go down there in winter. MS: Escape some of the cold. LP: For a while. Escape some of the cold. EG: How long do you go down there? LP: For three months three and a half. EG: Other changes that you've seen for the good or for the bad? LP: I think everything is more or less been for the good. I'm not so fond of the highway out here. EG: More and more traffic. LP: More and more traffic, yeah. It's not made where. I mean you pull of of Douglas and you almost swiped my car and it's getting there for a left and turn and if a truck comes, they almost have to go over to that. And then, you see the bicycles riding down the highway. EG: Yeah. Quite the mix. LP: Yeah. [All Laugh] �LP: That was the only place where it was wide enough where they didn't have to use the highway really if they didn't need to. So, I... well… maybe they say it helps Douglas. I don't know if it does or doesn't, but it's there. EG: Way too soon to tell. LP: Yeah. EG: Looking ahead, kind of thinking about you know, this interview will be saved for a long time. So, when someone listens to this tape fifty years from now, imagine that, what would you like to know about your life and the community right now? LP: I enjoyed both communities. EG: Of Saugatuck and Douglas. LP: [Laughs] Of Saugatuck and Douglas, but I'm still partial to Douglas. [Laughs] No, I think it's a great area really. EG: In particular things you described for some future listeners that we don't know who that moment might be like? LP: Yeah, would be interested in another fifty years. Didn't change much over in the last fifty really. I mean the buildings got renewed or something like that you know. EG: It's still recognizable place from your child as a resort community a small town small. LP: Yeah, small town, and you know, yeah. EG: Any advice for a young person that might listen to this tape? LP: I think it's more of a retirement area, as to find a job in town and live here is kind of tough now. EG: Yeah. LP: When we were younger it wasn't. I mean, we had grocery stores, so you were here all the time. Well, they still have the grocery store. More work. EG: More year-round work. �LP: Yeah, more year-round work. More diversity of work. It's kind of nice for the younger people. They've got a lot of different places that they can work. My daughter she works is waitress at The Butler. I think she's the oldest one her been there the longest. Not the oldest but been there the longest. EG: Very good. LP: Fifty years, that's an interesting, I've got to do some more thinking on that one, you know. EG: Right. LP: I don't know much more can it change. MS: Yeah. 44:59 EG: Tough to say. I guess another way to look at is what you imagined your life would be like, when you're in the school building, looking forward imagining fifty years down the road Is Saugatuck and Douglas pretty much how you expected? LP: Course it changes. [Phone Rings] EG: You're in demand. MS: That's a fun tune. LP: Somebody trying to save interest on your credit card. I don't know if you get those calls. EG: Yeah, we do. [All Chuckle] LP: It drives me nuts. Where were we? [All Laugh] EG: I guess another way to say it did you imagine when you were a kid that you would stay here in Douglas? �LP: Yeah, I kind of did, because there was always work and it was busy, you know. Of course, we had the company here so that employed quite a few people, really. EG: Right, for sure. Any other questions that you have on your mind there, Megan? LP: No, not really. Not at the moment. EG: Anything else we didn't ask about that you want to share? LP: Not really. Other than food industries, there was the Morgan Ice Company. It was bought, but you probably know that. LP: In that hall, we used to play basketball over there when we were here in school. It used to be that the Douglas ACs owned it. I don't know what it was originally made for. I never inquired. EG: I don't know off-hand myself. LP: Somebody said it was a church at some time. EG: Yeah, I think that's accurate. MS: Yeah. The Library? Yeah, I think it was a church, and then.... LP: I don't ever remember it being as a church when I was going to school here. right. I know the athletic office was active there. Yeah, they had all their weightlifting and all that stuff in the basement. That was quite popular back then, too, with baseball teams Fast pitch for men. That's kind of disappeared now. But, a lot of the guys here played it. I didn't, I didn't care for softball. The library tore down the house we lived in for two years right after we were married. [All Chuckle] EG: Bit of a loss. LP: A bit of a loss, yeah. Some things have come and gone. But the town is still advancing, though. Some beautiful homes go up. Lake Shore, there are some nice ones out there. [Chuckles] It is a retirement area, really, when you stop and look at it. Other than what kind of labor you call it that work for the waitresses, the stores. EG: The service industry. �LP: Yeah, service. That's what I'm trying to think of, service industry. There are no major companies around, like there used to be so. Holland is a place where you go to work. EG: Oh, very good. Unless we have any other questions or comments, I'm going to thank you. Thank you so much for your time. LP: Thank you for having me. EG: For sharing your memories here. LP: I wish I could remember more. I'll probably think about a bunch of them. EG: We can always do a part two. If you think of some good stories, let us know. LP: If there's something you need. MS: We can always come back. LP: Well, I was on the fire department so that was always involved. Then, I was on the city board here. Did that. It was active, it was the job that held me here, so I stayed. EG: And it’s a long continuity, it sounds like. You've had a long time of being here to understand how things work. LP: What doesn't work. EG: What doesn't work, yeah. LP: Yeah, all towns have the same problems. I think. Roads and everything else. EG: Well, very good. LP: I enjoyed the area. I love the area. EG: Very good. We appreciate you sharing all that of and with that. I'm going go ahead and I'll stop the recording here, and this concludes our interview today. Thank you. � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. 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K A R P as in Peter O W I C like in cat. Z like in zebra. KK: Thank you. What can you tell us about where you grew up? DK: I actually grew up in Chicago, right by Midway Airport. I was four blocks away from Midway Airport in a little subdivision called Cleary. KK: Okay, so how did you end up-? What are some of the most vivid memories of your childhood? DK: Oh, I think where you're interested in is how I ended up at the seminary that was part of the Phelp's Mansion. Okay. I belong to a Parish called Saint Rita, and at that time, a recruiter from the Augustian order, Father Dudley Day, came around and started talking to the kids, especially alter boys, seeing if they wanted to pursue a possible life in the priesthood and I was recruited and decided to give it a shot. KK: And can you kind of put that in a time frame? DK: We're talking.. I was my high school class with the class of seventy. So I was recruited in the fall. Well, it would have been before school let out, so it would have been June-ish of 66. My first year there was in 66. okay. September of 66. KK: So, you can continue your story now. DK: Okay. KK: Sorry, I wanted to kind of clarify that. DK: So, I came out with my family. they drove me out, dropped me off and life as a seminarian began. For me, it was a new start. It was like I was only coming out of eighth grade, so there's not a whole lot to start from, but it was time that time that I got to put all of that history behind and start fresh in the new environment that was different for everybody going through it at the same time. I was some I think you might wanna know. �Back that time, the Phelps Mansion was used as a convent for Spanish nuns. I believe that the people, the nuns that cooked for us were Spanish nuns, and I think they lived in there. But, I think there was also a cloistered sect of nuns that lived in there. As you look from what is now the Phelps Mansion across that field, that was the athletic field and you'd be looking right at the seminary at the front. The seminary ran north to south three-story building cinder-black building. The far-left side as you're looking from Phelps Mansion was where the refractory was at. A lot of a lot of priest came into the seminary environment to retire. So, there's a lot of old folks there and then after the Refractory, there's this long a row of buildings. Again, it was three stories. As you walk down the hallway from the re- from where the priests were at, across you had dorms. First of all, you- you have a refractory, beautiful windows overlooked which would be the back side which would be with the Frisbee golf is at now. The early tees of the Frisbee golf. For those folks who walk the property now the seminary is pretty much where the bicycle track. Okay. It was up on that ridge. if you walked there, you can see bits and pieces of the tile that was destroyed when the seminary got destroyed. 5:04 DK: I believe that I was in the second year that that particular building was there. It wasn't much longer than that. I don't think that it was the third year, I think that it was the second year that it existed, and as you walk down that hallway in the main - you- the Refractory had beautiful windows that would have looked out to the West. Coming down the hallway, you would have at dorms. which would be like finger finger appendages off the left-hand side. The right-hand side was all the classrooms in the middle of the building. There was a library and the chapel was right across from the library continuing down two more sets of of dorms here in the classrooms on the right-hand side. The gym was in the back end. KK: Oh, okay. DK: I know that a lot of the kids who played basketball in Saugatuck played in the in that gym. we played them several times and they just came in practice every now and then. The gym was kind of a crappy gym. It had tile floors. So, it was slippery all the time. Let's see, what else do I have to tell you. The property was different than it is now. when you when you came in to the road. that led that leads to the Phelps mansion there's tennis courts in the right hand side. You see those tennis courts? Well opposite of that that right on the road, there were barricades in there. So, Phelps was considered to be… oh, I can't think a of word. but he was a collector of animals. That pond that was in there used to have alligators in that pond there were two barricades. As you take the road bends to the right a little bit. Well, if you went to the left over there and went up that hill, he tried to do the perpetual motion machine up on top of that hill which is kind of an interesting thing. KK: M-hm. DK: There used to be some real nice hikes up in there. when I was growing up. what else can I tell you all? Okay. As you were - if you walking now and you decided to go into the Saugatuck State Park and you take the road to your right, it kind of bends to the left heads out to the right �some more. It passes a wet, a wet area over there. That used to be called the Swamp and that's where ice-skating... We spent most of the winter cleaning off the brush, you know. KK: Sure. DK: And cutting down weeds and stuff and then it would freeze and you would play and they would dig in few a holes in the ice and keep pouring water on there, but that's where the hockey was played. From the Phelps Mansion, there's a hill that to the right. If you’re looking at the mansion from the seminary the hill on the left-hand side. I kinda get lost in the directions there but the other side of that hill, there was a big bar, a huge barn, and an open field. They used to be called the Nun's Field. There's another little football area, that's where they play softball and stuff. But, the barn was two-story barn, and it's claim to fame was that every Halloween the senior class put on what they call Guadeamas, or a play. Let us rejoice, the Latin for "Let us Rejoice" and it was a play and I remember the first year. There I was others again. I would have been there for six weeks now, or five weeks. We met up there. We walked from the seminary grounds into the Phelps Mansion and all. And then, we went over that hill into the barn and the barn had hay bales all over for seating all over. There's people in the rafters and stuff and I've never seen anything like that before. And, it was a terrific play and most of it was jokes about the priest and stuff like that, but it was a great experience. It was snowing that day, too. It was just kinda cold snowing. A snowy Halloween. I remember some, I remember some yeah. and then, what else can I tell you? From the building, course a lot of athletics were in that field between the two buildings. 10:00 DK: The back end of it where the dorms protruded out that was kind of a septic system back in there. But the road… It was called Beach Road now. It's kind of from the Phelps Mansion. You're looking across. You take that road, first road that's- it would be on your right-hand side. You walk off and it curves to the right and up this hill. That's where all the tobogganing and sledding used to be. KK: Oh, okay. DK: You used to go over that ridge then you have probably half mile run so the toboggans and those saucers and stuff and get on top of hill and just kinda slide on down. It was great fun. It was it was super. Oh, I don't know… What else you guys wanna know? The high school is high school stuff. KK: Well, so, did you have any contact with town? Did you go in? Did you hear stuff about it? You guys were out there. DK: We did get to go to town, into Saugatuck but I was a fourteen-year-old kid, you know, with not a lot of money and it wasn't much to do other than go to the drug store. You went up to the drug store and we have like an hour, hour and a half every week. To be honest with you, I went once or twice, I got bored. Well, wasn't much to do for me but other guys went every weekend. So, we went to the drug store, walked up and down, saw the you know saw the gardens and stuff �and then again hey, where I was at, I would much rather be on the property, exploring, doing playing ball or something. KK: You know, you said you played other schools and all that. Did you know go like for sports did you go to other schools? Tell us a little about that. DK: Most of the sports were intramural, so you know we just played different teams within the school Basketball, we did play other schools in basketball. I wasn't on the baseball team, but they played other schools in baseball too. We didn't have many home games. The gym was small. You know, they couldn't deal with any sort of crowds whatsoever so but I do know that we played Saint Joe one time and I do know Saugatuck and I can't remember the others, but they were from their perspective, it was a gimme game, it was just, yeah let's entertain them because they were much better than we were. In … ‘68. Well, ‘67. I can get the years mixed up. My freshman year, went during the basketball season with and in sixty seven, the team went to the beginning of the state playoffs. We had a big team. The center was big. The forwards were big. And then, everybody could shoot. I mean it was it was a good team, but they had no endurance and the end of the three quarters way through the game, they weren't conditioned to go for a whole game, and ended up losing. The second year, they worked on conditioning quite a bit but all the talent graduated and that's. You can never get it all right. that's, that's kinda how that went. The biggest thing about the sports was probably that the team spirit. We knew we we're gonna get basically slaughtered out there but those people who went to the games were all wearing white and black and it would be. The cheerleaders would be going nuts and I mean it would be all over, doing the best they could do. EG: Yeah. KK: Now, you stayed there all year? Or did you go home in the summer? DK: We went home in the summer. We came in and right after Labor Day and then way they worked it out is that every month, either your parents came in or we went home. In October, the parents would come in. That was my mom's favorite time. She would- she would love that drive as you drive into the seminary because of the trees and stuff. she said it just was outstanding. November, of course, we go home for Thanksgiving Christmas go home for Thanksgiving. They came up… I know that parents were here in May, because we went to the Tulip Festival and I knew it it was on Mother's Day because of that. 14:52 DK: In summer the time we went home. [Chuckles] Back in those days it cost four hundred dollars a month to go to the Seminary and extra forty bucks to do laundry. So, that was room and board for four hundred dollars. It was different then. KK: Yeah. So how big of a class did you have? �DK: Probably started always fifty-five. Okay, and by the end of the first semester, you were probably down to forty in the graduating class. My first year the senior class was pretty big. They probably graduated … maybe thirty? But, I've seen graduating classes as low as twenty. KK: Did everybody live on campus? Or were there kids that came in from- from elsewhere? DK: No. To the best of my knowledge, everyone lived right there. Lived right there. That was part of the experience, you know, the routine, the chapel time and all that, but there may have been there may have been one or two that just kinda came in from the outside. KK: So did you have all priests or brothers for teachers? Or how? DK: Yeah. They were all clergy. KK: All male? DK: Hmm? KK: All male? DK: Yes. KK: The reason that I ask that is because you know we're the same age and we started the lay teachers, even in the Catholic schools back then, so I'm just comparing. DK: I remember most of them being priests. Were there one or two that weren't, that might have been. I don't know what they would have taught. I don't know. you know I don't remember ever going to class with those was a lay person but they may have been. KK: Did you… Did you ultimately become a brother or whatever? DK: No, I stayed through my junior year and then left after my junior year, ended up going on. Kennedy High School in Chicago. KK: Oh, okay. DK: That's where I finished up my high school career. KK: Was it different, going back to a regular public high school? DK: Because I was a senior, I figured it was a one-year deal. You know, I wasn't gonna make a lot of long-lasting friendships. I just kinda put in my time. Got through the year and called it good and started college. KK: Have you made any- have you stayed in contact with anybody from the monastery? �DK: Yeah. Yeah. Several kids in my class. One or two. My turns out that my neighbor from across the street was a year younger than I was. He went to the seminary also. We're still in contact. KK: Okay. So, I know in between you lived in California for a while, didn't you? DK: Yeah, we did. KK: What made you come back here? Well, tell us about California, first. DK: Well, I was trained as an accountant, so I did accounting work and then had an entrepreneurial bend and Anita was at a nonprofit executive. She ended up in a car wreck. I don't know what they call it. AK: Sloshed my brain around is the technical term. KK: Okay. And by the way, Anita is also here. That's his wife. DK: So, Anita was looking for something to sell and she thought if she could sell, she could make a living out of doing that, because the nonprofit work wasn't gonna happen anymore. And, she came across as product called a Pillow Pet. I don't know if you remember but it's a pillow that opens up and into a pet. KK: Okay, yeah, I remember that. DK: Yeah, you might have. Anyway, we ended up, Anita's family lives in San Luis Obispo County and we are selling these Pillow Pets at shows and festivals around California. That's were living at the time and decided that we would decide basically that if people were buying them out of a booth, they'll buy them out of a store. So, we had the money. Anita found a four hundred square foot store in downtown San Luis Obispo. 19:54 DK: We started there. In the meantime, the people who run the Pillow Pet business, the creator of it put on… decided to go into “As Seen on TV” commercials. She bombarded children's stations with these Pillow Pets, and, all of the sudden, she created a demand where there was no supply. We were the only one of the only one of the only few suppliers, so we were shipping Pillow Pets like you wouldn't believe. At one time, we… At one time, we had three stores and two warehouses. AK: And an online. DK: And an online. The online was richer. So that was, we called it riding the wave in. So, we… we started with, it was a brand-new concept, saw that demand go way high then, once you start seeing them in Best Buy all the hardware stores in Target, the quality got cheaper because the owner of the company got pressured to basically license her stuff to somebody else. And all of �that took place, demand started dropping. We start shutting stores. I went back to accounting for a while. That's what I did. whenever the entrepreneurial effort has played out, I went back into accounting. AK: It was a great ride though. DK: It was fun. AK: Oh my god, it was fun. [Laughs] AK: A heck of a lot of work, but yeah. We picked San Luis Obispo because they have the largest Farmers Market in the co- in the State of California. It's all year long. Because we had the store in a certain place, we could already be in this huge farmers market that's a big party. So, we can just sell it once a week in terms of people from away. It was awesome. That's interesting. It was is kinda fun. KK: So, what brought you back to Michigan? DK: Go ahead. AK: Jerry Walsh was our realtor in San Luis Obispo. Jerry Walsh and I became friends and she grew up in this area and so she has a house over here on North Union Street. We came to visit her last year and we had a great time and then this year. We had a big fire we were are living in Durango and we ended up coming to visit her because she's kind enough to let us come here. There was smoke everywhere in Durango and so she talked to us and we had a great time while visiting, and now we're here. [Laughs] Now, we live here. KK: Well, welcome! AK: Thank you. KK: Welcome. It is interesting. What're you're you know when you came back, because both of you had lived away, or you probably didn't lived here at all… What were your initial impressions? Can you, you know, talk about that a little bit, coming back here? DK: Well, of course I see the world through different eyes. I see how busy it is in the summer. I see if how much fun people are having at the beach. We walked in. Back in the 70s and 80s, we walked the Beach Road in the summer, but it was still too cold to get in the water by, you know, early June late May early June. It was kinda chilly so we never even went swimming there. But, we've lived in some beautiful resort-type communities. San Luis Obispo was one of them. Morrow Bay, and Durango is a is a joyous community so we're used to that and were uses to seasonality of it and love the busyness love to see the stores busy and love the quieter times too. That's what I notice, the people have a lot of fun down. They were just having a lot of fun shopping. having coffee eating in the restaurants playing on the beach. It's just... a lot of fun. �KK: Okay. Do you have any other questions? We're gonna look here. EG: You can talk a little bit about your time in the seminary here in the school year. What was a typical day like? Or a typical week like? DK: Sure. Days started at six o'clock. We were living in the dorm and the dorm is just one. 24:55 DK: It had twenty beds in it, say two sets of five, the way I'm remembering it, it could be be more than thirty beds. This is a wall separating beds on both sides basically. one door led to the sink room and the restrooms the other door led to the priest monitor of that dorm. Days would start at six o'clock, and it depends on what year you're talking about because this is right after Vatican two, so a lot of changes were happening in the church and the seminary back in in the very beginning when I was a freshman. I wanna say that we started with mass first thing, but I could be wrong, but I know do that there was a chapel time in the beginning. Then we went to the refractory and ate. The refractory had tables of ten people, ten guys mixed classes. Okay so wasn't like you… you were assigned a table. It wasn't like you in like you go sit with you but your friends all time. Each table and seniors and stuff, and the way it works is once Grace was said, somebody from the table went in the kitchen area, and brought the food out for the table, and breakfast was served that way. Lunch is at noon hour-ish. School in the morning. Lunch, school till about three o'clock, and then everybody had to leave the building for… I wanna say an hour or hour and a half between 3:00 and 4:30 sometimes. So, everyone was forced outside to do something so that's when all the intermural athletics were we're done and all the hiking around and stuff. We come back in and we shower go back into the chapel. Kind of a meditation period. The priests would be doing their vespers or whatever they're doing and we just had quiet time the chapel for a while and then back to the refractory for dinner after dinner. Mandatory study hall for two hours from like 7:00-7:00 with a fifteen-minute break in there. Then, after that, you're free for an hour and then back to bed at 10:00, lights out at 10:00. That's pretty the typical day. KK: That's pretty tight schedule. EG: That's a pretty tight schedule. DK: Pretty tight. KK: Now, was that five days a week? DK: The only thing, it was 10-6 at least six days a week. There may have been one day where was it a little bit longer, at least in the beginning. Yeah. Yeah it seems like it loosened up some of the priests that were running the shows said, “You know you guys have to be responsible enough to go to bed when you're tired. So, we're not gonna put on the 10:00 thing anymore, but we're still getting up at six.” You know, the schedule change a little bit like that. So, whoever �wasrunning the show kinda set their own rules for what they were what they felt comfortable with. Yeah. Go ahead. EG: What was the food like? What were some things that stood out that you remember eating? Was it good? They had- Was it Spartan? Was it – DK: So, lunches seemed to be better than dinners and they had some type of a Spanish rice deal that I've never seen duplicated that was just delicious. Just outstanding. I mean it was a good day when you got Spanish rice. [Laughs] It was a good day they when had hamburgers too. They were huge hamburgers and it was just delicious and I can't remember much of the other meals of course they were. Whatever you ate at dinner time would be in the lunch meal somehow. I mean, very little waste going. I remember a lot of the food that peanut butter particular came from the government. I mean [indistinguishable] Looked like a paint can filled of peanut butter with about an inch and a half of oil in there. So, I remember that the rice came infive gallon or five-pound things of rice so that was that was kinda how that was. 29:48 DK: What else can I tell you that's kind of fun? Some of the things in the dorm were really pretty funny. You know that these are all- again, they're in all the same boat. It’s not like there were mixed classes in the dorm yet all the freshman in the same dorm. One time, there was a whippoor-will in the springtime. Every morning about four o'clock is calling out calling out calling out. One of the kids just lost it. He ran down that fire escape. "I'm gonna get that damn bird!" Chased him down, trying to get that whip-poor-will. The way that thing was laid out was that from the dorm to the fire escape in the back went down into the locker room for that dorm. So, we basically got two lockers: one in the dorm area and one down below for the outdoor stuff. That is Saturday. You might be interested in that. Saturdays were around the house chore days. Everybody all week long everybody was assigned a task for a month. you know you may have toilets. You might have sink room. You might have the dorm, you might have a hallway, you might have a classroom. Where ever it was assigned you had for month. On Saturday, it was thorough cleaning day, so and so instead of classes after breakfast in the morning, people will go down into the room where you pick up your mops and you pick up your all that stuff. Buckets and mops, cleaning utensils and stuff. Go ahead. Then, Saturday afternoon was one of the days they would head up to Saugatuck. A lot of guys would go on Saturday afternoon up there. KK: How long was the monastery or the school, how long had it been there when you went there, and how long did it last after you left? DK: The best I can figure this out is that they were using the Phelps Mansion. as the seminary itself. Then, they built the one that I went to the year prior. and that would've been 67 would have been year two. In 72, they sold the building to the state, which made it a low some type of a prison. �KK: It was a prison after. A friend of mine was an auto guard there. DK: So, you'd know more about that than I would. KK: Yeah. DK: They made that into there and what is now the Saugatuck State Park used to be part of the seminary system. One of the recruiting two tools was four hundred acres. So, we used to take those saucers and if you didn't go down to Beach Road. You kind of veered off towards the dunes. Closer to the lake. The goal was to ride that saucer fast enough down those dunes, you'd hit the last thing, you'd catapult up in the air, and you'd land on the beach. That was the goal. [laughs] EG: How often could you do that? When the conditions were right, was that feasible? DK: It was doable. Trouble is it wasn't fun once you did it. [Laugh] You hit pretty hard coming down. It was like, man…. EG: I've seen those saucers with the dents in them. DK: Yes, yes. EG: And a long walk back. DK: A long walk back. But, it was, for those guys who liked speed, it was faster than the Beach Road. But, it was shorter, much shorter. The ride was 150 ft. KK: Now, you brought some yearbooks, didn't you? DK: Yeah, I did. KK: When you look through, is there anything DK: Well, like I said, there's a lot of high school stuff. Here's another picture of the seminary from the Phelps Mansion. KK: See, yeah, that's a much larger building than I expected. DK: Yeah, right in the middle, right in the middle from this angle here you're looking at the library and across the from library would be that the Chapel. They had a beautiful - that old folk's home for those priests was a beautiful facility. As you came in, it was like a rotunda. You come into the rotunda, you turn to the right, and they had all of these little alcoves, about five of them, where these older priests would be celebrating mass everyday, just by themselves and a �server. One of the seminarians would be a server and stuff. The chapels were all mosaic, just pretty. 34:50 DK: Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, all of this stuff is high school stuff. It's just, things that happen in every high school that I can tell you stories about. But, I won't. There's nothing different about it. Here's another dorm picture. EG: Okay, yeah. KK: Oh yeah, that's interesting. Just beds, a series of beds. There you are. DK: There I am, right there. [All chuckle] EG: Now, there's students in the seminary from all over Michigan and Illinois, or? DK: Well, I know there was people from Detroit, Gross Point. I know those people from Flint were there. a lot of people from Chicago because Duddley Day worked with Saint Rita's Parish which is where he lived in Saint Rita's which was Augustinian, which was six miles from my house. Maybe something like that. There's a lot of parishes in there between, so he did all that. I know that Southern Michigan had some representative. I couldn't tell you exactly where they came from, but it just depended on how well the recruiter did. KK: That's really interesting because it's, well there were schools in every other major cities. You know that the monks or whatever or brothers would run and just kind of interesting. A lot of sports involvement, obviously. DK: Yeah well, you had to do something everyday, so intermural football, intermural softball, intermural basketball. Some volleyball, not all that much. EG: You made some mention of the Vatican, too the reforms, changes. What sorts of things, I don't know how to ask this exactly, but what sorts of changes did you see in the Church or in the school? DK: This was back when the, we went from the mass where the priest was with his back to you to looking at you. The Latin went out of the mass. There were major changes in structure. From our point of view every class they had of us will I believe that they were in their second semester of freshman year. Early as the sophomore, they got a casik or a black garb with a hood on it and a black belt. When we were ready to do that, they decided they didn't wanna give us casiks. we got a green jacket. You know but these guys, I mean they sleep late and they not even get dressed, they'd just put the casik on, put the cincher on, and go down. I mean we to had do all this other stuff and those -. �KK: That's interesting. You didn't like that as much? DK: No. KK: Yeah, for the robe. DK: Yeah, exactly right. EG: Probably for teenagers as well, there's probably a certain coolness. DK: Oh yeah, yeah. Let's see some pictures of all those guys you… KK: Yes, I noticed the casicks right away, and I was wondering. Right before you brought it up, I noticed the picture. DK: Yeah. DK: I know what those were. DK: All those guys were ahead of us. KK: Did a lot of them become monks or priests? DK: I would imagine that some classes had none that made it all the way through. Some classes had one or two. I think our class wanna say that three became ordained One became an Augustinian who ran the show here. At least two others became ordained from a different organization. That's my recollection. KK: That's very interesting. DK: One of the guys that came through the the system was younger than me became a bishop. I think. I wanna say his name is Dewicki. I'm not sure. It could be that I could get him mixed up with somebody else. KK: Yeah. DK: Anyways, he's a Bishop, and the Order is very proud of that happening. EG: Oh, sure. KK: Oh, and you know, it's kind of funny, because when you hear people talking about the Phelps Mansion, you hear about it being the prison and all that, but and you hear a little about it being a monastery, but you never that it was a big school. You know what I mean? So, my �thought was, monastery means they were just in the mansion. No, no. But obviously that was quite a campus. 39:57 DK: There's probably, if you figure, maybe 120 altogether. So, it was pretty good, but one of the memories is that when Christmas time we had to put on some sort of - it was our turn to put on the play at Christmas time and we wanted to honor the Spanish nuns that did the cooking. The cloister was full of Spanish and across the way. So, we wanted them to teach us this Christmas song. You know, in Spanish and stuff, so we went and walked over there. You couldn’t see them. They had on.... a screen between. UNKNOWN: Is it, are you doing the oral history? KK: Yes, give us a little right, okay. DK: So, anyway they had the screen between us so I never did see what they looked like. It was kind of interesting they're extremely friendly and did a nice job. At least, we thought it was a nice job. [Laughs] What would we know? It was kinda fun. KK: I think that it's kind of interesting that that all existed on one campus, too. DK: For sure. EG: Yeah, fascinating, interesting too. It sounds like you were, not surprisingly, kind of set off from you know, you were there in some sort of isolation. DK: Yeah. EG: Sure. Lots of stuff going on in the late 1960s in Saugatuck and elsewhere. Music, popular culture, news. Was there a lot of discussion about that? DK: Some. EG: Were you really kind of isolated from what was going on? DK: It was interesting that especially on Saturday, they used to play music through the loud speaker on Saturday, but all the music was approved by a priest. KK: Yeah, okay. DK: It wasn't like … EG: They wouldn't play The Doors necessarily. �DK: No, not necessarily. A lot of Mamas and The Papas, you know, stuff like that. One of the guys that joined the seminary, not as a freshman, I think he joined as a junior, or something. He was a very talented guitar player and he brought influence, he brought a guitar influence into the mass. this is back when things were starting to get lax. One of the rooms was almost like a coffee shop where this guy could sit and play. And people could hang out there. For as long as they wanted to do that, but he was a he brought different music into the mass like "Tell Me Why You're Crying, My Son." I don't know if you guys remember that? KK: I'd have to hear more of it. DK: [Sings lyrics to "Tell Me Why You're Crying, My Son"] KK: Yeah, it's ringing a bell. DK: [Continues to sing] "... through your loving eyes. take my hand my son. All be done be done your when day is done." So anyways, he brought that in. He brought a lot of Bob...Bob's...not Bob Seiger.... KK: Dylan? DK: Yes. He brought Dylan's stuff into the service. It was a time of change. When I was there, they had three different people running the show. It went from very conservative, very more rigid to more lax than I was comfortable with. Just like [indistinguishable] That's just how it went. It was just part of the times part of the people that were involved. It was interesting experience. I'm really glad that I did it, you know? I had a lot of fun, a lot of fun. EG: That's wonderful. KK: We're glad you did too, because you're the only person that I've talked with that has mentioned even that experience. And again, even when a person lives here quite a while, there are things by the end that you don't know about. There really are. You guys never went to Holland, either, or did you? DK: When I was a junior we had this kid that was in my class was very creative. You know, we're trying to raise money and this is one little room inside the school in the basement that wasn't used for anything. 45:00 DK: It had the trophy case, which of course had no trophies in it. [Chuckles] EG: That's what they were praying for. [Laughs] DK: That was it! Some days, it was for the trophy case. Anyway, we decided as a class. This was the kid's idea to create a bakery. Now, here you've got a population of people. Every one of have birthdays at that table and stuff. Everybody wants to treat their table for whatever. We �opened up a bakery and our supply came from Holland. One of the priests went into Holland every day, bought you know, discounted bakery goods because we're buying in quantity. He came back in, we'd sell these things, and man we were making money. We're making a lot of money. Just selling these pies and cakes and dinner rolls. You know sweet rolls. It gets a little interesting because twice we were robbed. Alright. It becomes very interesting in terms of what forces would force force a kid to rob the Bakery. Well, you know, that's life. We're assuming it was a kid. We're assuming it wasn't a priest, but there's nothing that said it couldn't have been. KK: Right. DK: No one ever knew who did it. No one, no one pursued no one investigated. Just sort of sucked it up. So, that was an interesting thing. So, you know. KK: It's interesting what. When you sold the goods, did you have to turn the money in? What was the story there? DK: We were saving it for something. I can't remember what. I know that we, we made the money I thought it was all going to go to a charity or something, a party or whatnot. I don't, I don't remember what. You know was there no distribution between the Juniors saying that you were going to get your piece of the pie. That was not the discussion. It was all going to be used for something. It was interesting. KK: Yeah, that's interesting. If that's a question with one of our, another interviews, were there any shenanigans or trouble that people got into? Run ins with getting into detention? Those kinds of things? DK: Oh, yeah. They called it Jug, for whatever reason I don't know. But when you misbehaved you had to spend time doing stuff sitting in the room or whatever. I remember one time I came out of that locker room and in in the basement, and I just this was a Saturday morning and we just finished cleaning and we're gonna go do something that was exciting. I ran to the doors, smacked right into the biology teacher. That was a joke. [All Laugh] DK: So, that happens. So, yeah, kids would misbehave, and they would go into the Jug and stuff. That combination from a priest's perspective is very interesting who all was there, because you've got your retired folks, you got the priests that wanted to be there, you, you know, the younger ones that wanted to influence the seminarians and stuff. You got priests that were basically on their way out of the priesthood, that they were using this as a reflection period of time to see. Like you said, it's isolated, give some time to rethink things �There was one priest there. that probably got there because of sexual tendencies. Misbehavior, maybe, I don't know, but he was isolated out into that... Well... that you know of [laughs]. One that I know of, that's exactly right. He never did anything in the seminary that I know, but everybody was aware and cautious of the whole things but... Some people struggle. you know people struggle with whatever environment that they're in. KK: Okay, well, I really have no other questions, I don't think. DK: Okay. KK: Is there anything that you wanted to ask us? 50:00 DK: No, not really. KK: Okay. DK: Like I said, thank you guys for the opportunity to share. KK: We're glad to get this on tape, we really are. EG: Oh, yeah, that was fascinating. One other question that I'll ask you which is a wrap up question that I really like is. We'll be thinking about who we see in these interviews for a long time. So, imagine someone's listening to this fifty years from now or more from now. What would you like them most to know about your life? Or about the community here? DK: It was an outstanding opportunity. It was a lot of fun, you know, being… going in with the attitude that I'm going to start all over again make whatever I wanted to make out of this happen with the environment with a bunch of guys was a lot of fun. It did... I didn't have the… the same high school experiences that most kids have. So, in terms of dating all of that is a delay in all of that happening but I wouldn't have passed it up. It was a good thing. It was good while I was there, and it was good when it was time to leaves. KK: So okay. thank you very much. 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Lemmen Library and Archives https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/7cd25623c8799b02d7ca6a26c2d915ad.mp3 d0bcbe758d3b279d8925e1cd3919dfda https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/8bc61e0899185a6771a7992d8d9bc30a.pdf bf59b1f90831e13949b0b58123120150 PDF Text Text Tom Fosdick interviewed by Nathan Nietering and Eric Gollanek June 2, 2018 NN: This is Nathan Neetering, and I’m here today with Eric Golloneck, and we are both interviewing Charles Thomas Fosdick. This is part two of an interview that got cut off at the beginning. Tom, can you state your full name and the one you go by for me one more time? TF: Okay. Full name, Charles Thomas Fosdick. Go by Tom. NN: All right. And we are recording today at the Old Schoolhouse in Douglas, Michigan. It's June 2nd, 2018. And we're going to pick up where we left off as best as we can. EG: We were in the break. We were talking a little bit about time in school and playing sports. You were saying that you played quite a few sports. TF: Yep. EG: in Saugatuck. TF: Well, we were talking about Ms. Haddoway, and how she was with the school all the way until it consolidated with Saugatuck and that... I was the last eighth grade class to graduate from the Douglas School after that. And seventh and eighth grade went over to Saugatuck and there was that's where I went to high school for four years and I played sports. The four sports that I played were football for a couple of years, basketball a couple of years, and then golf and baseball mostly the rest of the time. So. But we played ball. Innocent. This has nothing to do with the school but growing up in Douglas, that was what we did, us boys. We played baseball. We played something, but baseball was the thing that we played the most. TF: Friend of mine lived right across from where the school is now, and there was a vacant lot right next door. And once actually there were two vacant lots, one on one side they owned. The other one was for sale. And we played baseball in the one that was for sale and we played football in the one that they owned. [Chuckles] TF: But we would play a lot of baseball just down at the park downtown because that's been there forever, as far as I know. NN: Today, that's Barry Fields, right? TF: Yeah. NN: Yeah. Do you recall any specific coaches that you had when you were at the high school who made any impressionable memories on you? TF: The coaches that I had started out with, Mr. Winter and Jerry Kelly was another one of the coaches. And Joe Domitrz. �NN: Can you spell... Do you remember how to spell his name? TF: Well, that's not spelled the way… NN: That's why I ask. TF: I remember the first year he taught there. He wrote his name on the board and he told us all, “Don't even try to pronounce it just. This is how you say it. Just say it like this.” TF: But it was DOM I T R Z. NN: That's not how I would have expected it either. [Laugh] TF: Anyway, that was... And let's see who else did I have? Yeah, that was... Those were the main ones. Mr. Handford was the golf coach until my senior year, and then Mr. Morris was. But Jerry Kelly coached basketball and baseball. So, I had him for baseball the whole time. NN: Do you recall were there any championship years in any of those sports? TF: Well, it's... NN: How'd the team do? TF: Some well, but it's not the same as what it is not. They didn't have playoffs at the end of the season, other than basketball. But the football when you were season was done, that was it. You were done. In golf, we had some pretty good teams and we would play in the state, the regional things and stuff like that. But as far as baseball went, you when your season was done, that was done. There was no playoffs like what they've got going on now. So… TF: We had one really good pitcher when I was playing, and his name was Frank Kelly. I think he's still around here somewhere. I don't know. I see him occasionally, but just it was fun. We just played ball. That was what we did. Now all kids are on video games instead of outside playing. EG: I'm interested in maybe just step back a second. Your family's history here, were they from… longtime residents? 5:05 TF: My, mother. Her family house was just across Bluestar. I don't even know what that... there used to be a Standard Gas Station or the Shell. There's a Shell, and then across to the south, there was a Standard Gas Station, and their house was the next block behind that. And they pretty much the family all pretty much owned that entire block. Mostly because there was the house and then the whole section to the north of the house was a garden. So, we got a lot of vegetables out of that garden, strawberries. Yeah. She grew up there and my dad grew up in Fennville. EG: Okay. �TF: And where he grew up is still in the family there. It's a Centennial Farm on 58th Street. So, and I've got a cousin that lives there now. NN: So, what was your mother's maiden name? TF: Monique. NN: Monique. TF: M O N I Q U E. EG: Do you remember stories of how they ended up here in this region there or in Michigan? TF: I don't know... The Monique family, I don't know that much about, but the Fosdick family, I've got cousins that have done research on heritage and stuff, and they've traced it all the way back to the origin of the name. NN: Okay. TF: So, they started out in Massachusetts, they were part of the pilgrims that came over and then they worked their way west. And after the Civil War, then my great grandfather moved to Fennville, moved, got to Fennville, and they've been there ever since. EG: Centennial Farm. NN: That's fascinating. NN: You mentioned the Douglas Athletic Club across the street from the Douglas Union School Building. Were there any other places or institutions that you remember that may, you know, were important when you were growing up in the Saugatuck Douglas area? TF: Well, nothing that we were part of. The Masonic Hall which was pretty much next door. Three houses, three buildings down. That was about it wasn't much of anything, really. Just a small town, grocery store down by the river close to the river there. It burned a few years ago. But it wasn't a grocery store then anymore, I don't think. Not after they built what used to be Taft's. NN: There are a lot of people who still call a Taft's. TF: Probably, probably. Yes. But the grocery store that you're recalling was down Center Street towards Wayne's Bayou. NN: Right. Van Sickels. TF: Yeah. �EG: Down that river, one question we had about art schools in Saugatuck, Douglas. Remember anything about Greeson family and their school building that was down there, the art artists group? TF: Not a whole lot, wasn't really much in the arts. [Laughs] Oxbow has been out there forever. So, everybody knew about that. But as far as any other arts place, the town of Douglas has changed a lot from when I grew up. There wasn't any of the arts and crafts stores that are down there now. There was a hardware store that isn't there. Yeah. TF: The Catholic school used to be down there... Tyler's drug store was down there. And that's where the bus stopped, Greyhound. And The Tara was where the condos are now. NN: On the Bluestar Highway, correct? TF: Yep. NN: What did you do when you were growing up in the summer when school was not in session? 10:01 TF: We played ball. NN: You played all the time? TF: [Laugh] Just about every day. NN: OK. TF: We played ball. NN: Did you have any summer jobs as you were getting older? TF: We used to pick cherries in the summer. My dad had a friend that had a cherry orchard, sour cherries, and we'd go pick there. Other than that, not really. I pretty much played ball and my dad didn't tell me, make me have to go do something that would take away from that. It didn't. It never really amounted to anything. TF: But because it was like I say, things are a little different back in those days. When I got out of high school and Vietnam was going on, so college, you'd better have a specific well-intentioned major, otherwise you were getting drafted and you were going. And so, there wasn't… And he told me I would not like the Army. So, I went to Navy. [Laughs] EG: Had he served? He served in the Army? �TF: My dad? Yeah. He was in the South Pacific in World War II. EG: Okay. TF: And. They've written books about his outfit, Ghosts Among Boys. So it's... Yeah. Some of the stories that he told about that. He told me I wouldn't like it. [All Laugh] NN: So, you grew up in Douglas, you went to school in Douglas until you went to Saugatuck to go to high school. TF: High school. NN: As someone growing up in Douglas, did you go to Saugatuck for any other reason besides high school? Did you have a reason to go to that side of the bridge? TF: Uh, just for summer sports when I got older, that was all. We didn't... Again, things were a little different in those days. When people would say, you would say you were traveling somewhere and people would ask, "Well, where do you live?" TF: And we'd say, Douglas. "Oh, where's that?" TF: And we'd tell them and they'd say, "Oh, right next to Saugatuck." TF: That's on the other side of the river. And we're not the same. So, and I and I remember when I was I think I was in high school and they were talking about consolidating Saugatuck schools with the Fennville School system. And everybody knew that that was never gonna happen because the rivalry between the two town, it just wasn't going to... You weren't going to get enough votes to get that to pass. [Chuckles] Everybody one had their identity, which now, you know, they consolidated the fire stations and stuff, then the police, and now that's gone. But. Back when I was growing up, there was never even an option. You had your own identity. You were Douglas and they were Saugatuck. NN: OK. So, was there anything specific about Douglass's identity that made it especially unique, different? The best at something, the you know home of something? TF: You know, it was quieter. Saugatuck was the party town in those days. TF: When I was a senior in high school, we took a senior class trip to Mackinac Island, we went took the bus over to Detroit and got on to South American. Heard about that ship? NN: The steamship, yep. TF: And took the South America up to Mackinac Island, spent the day there and then took the ship back to Detroit and came back. And we happened to come back on Memorial Weekend. At first, they weren't even allow the busses into town because there was no place. The streets were so packed with �cars and people that they didn't think there would even be able to get to the school. And the school wasn't where it is now. So what they finally figured out a way to get them in and then they said, well, no cell phones or anything. “Your parents aren't going to be able to pick you up. You're going to have to walk to the edge of town if you don't live in the city, in Saugatuck.” TF: And that's what happened. Nobody could get in because it was just packed with people. 14:58 NN: Do you have a feel for who those people were, where they were coming from? TF: Chicago, mainly, Detroit, St. Louis, the two main places that people would come from when I was growing up here, St. Louis and Chicago. There was a place out on the Lake Shore. There was all St. Louis people. They had their own little community out there. But they are those are the two main places. NN: And everybody was in town for Memorial Day weekend. [Chuckles] TF: Yep, there was there was big party. Yeah. Just different things have changed over the years. It's more of a family friendly type of place now than what it was then. But they used to have used to the state police used to bring in a trailer and park it next to the Standard Oil Gas Station and they would run a special unit out of there on all the big weekends, Memorial Day, Fourth of July, Labor Day, because it would get very... riotous, I guess you could say. NN: Did any of the locals ever really participate in those sort of activities or was it...? TF: Yeah. Oh yeah. [Laughs] NN: Were you one of those participants, or did you…? TF: No, I tried to stay out of there. Okay. Maybe, you know, you walk through or try to drive through, if you could. I used to go to the fireworks on Venetian night. But we could see them from our backyard. So, it didn't really matter a whole lot. NN: All right. So, keeping in mind that this recording that we're doing today will be saved for a long time. There may be someone here listening to this in 50 years from now, what would you want them to know about your life in the community even right now? TF: Well, I'm not part of the community anymore, other than just coming back down to see how things are going. One of the things that I guess I've always kind of wondered about is why things... some of the stuff that they've allowed to do, have been allowed to do. Knowing what I know about some of the things, that kind of surprises me. There are houses built and a ball field behind the school now was built on a toxic runoff from a plating company. There's houses right on the top of this little runoff stream. That I don't I just don't understand how that was allowed, because... But, nobody thought about it when we went to school there, we used to walk right through the thing. [Chuckles] �NN: So that's behind the current Douglas Elementary School? TF: Yeah. Yeah. And that used to drain down into the gully is what we called it, into a creek that fed into the Kalamazoo River. But other than that, and we come. My wife and I come down every now and then and drive through the towns and stop and just look at the shops and stuff. NN: Do you have any favorite restaurants or current destinations down here? TF: Oh, the restaurants that are here now, I haven't been in. The restaurant that is on the corner right across from the ballpark. I don't know the name of it now. NN: In Douglas? TF: Yeah. It was just the Douglas Dinette when I grew up. NN: I think it's called the Everyday People Cafe now, but it had a different name then. TF: Yeah. Yeah. It was just the Douglas Dinette. And there was one another one that was out by where that little strip mall is. Was it... I don't even know the name of that. But that was Tiffany's Restaurant. That's not there anymore. And we used to when I was... My dad was a janitor, and every Saturday morning when he would get ready to go do something at the school and he'd come and wake me up, and I would be helping him do stuff at the school. And we'd always take a break at some point in the morning and we'd go to one of those two places and he'd get coffee and a donut and I'd get some milk or pop or something and a donut. 20:17 TF: And that was a standard operating procedure type of thing every Saturday morning. So. Yes. Now, the ones that we go to are in Saugatuck. It's the… we go to The Corner Bar, Wally's, Pumpernickel's. Those three places are the main ones that we go to. NN: So just circling back real quick to your father, then become the custodian at the new school and that opened? TF: Yes, he did. NN: Okay. TF: Him and my uncle. Because my mom didn't drive. So, she would have had to walk up there. So, then my uncle, Lawrence Monique, and my dad. Because my dad still worked second shift. So, he was there during the day doing stuff. And then my uncle was there at night. So, it was the same type of thing. He took care of everything during the day, then he cleaned up at night and on weekends on Saturday. Then they did the major projects if they needed to strip a floor and re-wax it or something because it was all tile. And that was done on Saturday. So, and then when they consolidated, then my �dad was a for a time a part-time custodian over at the Saugatuck School. But then that was just for a couple of years, and then it stopped. NN: Do you remember when they opened the new school? You were a student, you were in third grade, I think. TF: Yes. Mrs. Lineman. NN: Okay. Do you have any... I mean, that building is very different from the now the old school. How did that feel as a student? Was there anything particularly different that you recall from going to old new building? TF: We had a gym that we could play on when it was raining and you went into the gym and played basketball, or... Usually, we would divide it up in half, then the boys were on one half and the girls were on the other half. So that we didn't have to do. The girls that have to do what we wanted to do and we didn't have to do what they wanted to do. [Laugh] TF: But there were different things that happened at that school that were. I don't know if you'd call them unique, but they were fun at the time. Bill Allen was a newscaster for a TV station in Grand Rapids and he lived out on the lakeshore. And about one day a week, he would come in at noon. And we would arrange because the desks weren't permanent in place, they were movable, so we would form them in the shape of a U. And he would sit he would get the teacher's chair because it was on wheels and he would we would play chess and he would just play everybody. And he'd just go from board to board to board to board and just play chess all noon. So that was different. NN: Were you any good at chess? TF: No, not particularly, but it was fun. I yeah, I never I didn't really study it or anything. I played it, but it was. It didn't it wasn't one of those things where I was super competitive and had to win or anything like that. It was just fun, fun to do. NN: Sure. Okay. I think we're getting close to wrapping up here. Would you have any advice for a younger person who might be listening to this interview? Any thoughts? TF: Well, I just from my childhood and stuff, if it's anything growing up here like it was, then this is a great place to grow up, it's small. Like I said back when I grew up, just about everybody knew everybody, and you kind of looked out for each other. I hope that it's the same way now, but I don't know that for sure. But that would be nice if it would be. So other than that. Yeah. That was... It was a nice place to grow up. 25:01 NN: Good. Anything else, any other stories or anything that you'd like to share that I got to ask? �TF: That's the thing. I'll probably think of some on my way home. [Laugh] Yeah, that's there's always stuff that pops into my head that I talk to people about. Now there's a thing that we do. A bunch of us guys that graduated from high school in the same general time frame, we get together once a month for breakfast down here. And, that's always interesting, we rehash all our old memories and old stuff that we used to do. TF: One of the things that I do miss that I used to do, you used to spend a lot of time growing up after school and after sports things. There used to be a place in Saugatuck called the Soda Lounge. And we used to hang out there a lot. That was... that's not there anymore. NN: No, but I think we have a portion of the old malt machine has come to us, and it's in our collection. TF: Really? NN: Here at the History Center. TF: People, people always you know, people talk about the difference in terms from one area of the country to another where pop or soda. Well, when I was growing up, we'd go to the Soda Lounge, you got a soda, which was different than pop. So, if you wanted like a Coke or something, that was pop. But if you wanted a soda, that could be any flavor you wanted it, so... And that they would mix it right there? They would make it with one of those handle things that looked like a swan's neck, and you made a soda. So that to me, when people said soda, how are you making a soda? TF: There's just all this stuff growing up here. There is a softball team that was sponsored by the Douglas Athletic Club who used to play downtown. Used to go down, watch them, played Little League Baseball down there. And Ev Thomas used to broadcast. There was a building behind home plate that they used to put big speakers up on the roof, and he would announce the Little League Bay games or the softball games. There was always Ev Thomas. NN: Was he a local? TF: Yeah, he was a kind of a unique person. He was a real estate salesman. He's been dead for a long time and he was born on February 29th, so he was one of them guys. It was only four years old or whatever. [All laugh] NN: Yep, a leap year baby, huh? TF: Yeah. So, he always used to say he was one of the youngest captains in the army in World War II. [Laughs] He wasn't a few number of birthdays. He wasn't very old. NN: Right. All right. Well, if you think of additional stories, you know where to find us. OK. And at this moment, Tom, I will thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and your memories with us and for sharing your time today. This will conclude the interview. � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. 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Outdoor recreation Oral history Audio recordings Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Stories of Summer project, Kutsche Office of Local History. Grand Valley State University Relation A related resource Stories of Summer (Common Heritage project) Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/page/InC/1.0/?language=en">In Copyright</a> Type The nature or genre of the resource Sound Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource audio/mp3 application/pdf Language A language of the resource eng Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University. University Libraries. Lemmen Library and Archives https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/1dbb661ca4daa308cba5c904ef96b3bc.mp3 602a83006948cb7feaa93353dd0aefb6 https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/97099fc5544c9b31650eb007e53e1908.pdf ce5309c965cebd94b193f9cdde641470 PDF Text Text Tom Fosdick interviewed by Nathan Nietering and Eric Gollanek June 2, 2018 NN: All right. So this is Nathan Neetering interviewer, Eric Gollaneck, interviewer and we are here today with Charles Thomas Fosdick at the Old School House in Douglas, Michigan, on June 2nd, 2018. This oral history is being collected as part of the Stories of Summer Project, which is supported in part by a grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Program. Thank you for taking the time to speak with us today. We're interested to learn more about your family history and your experiences in the Saugatuck Douglas area. Can you please tell me your full name and how to spell your last name? TF: A full name is Charles Thomas Fosdick- F O S D I C.K. NN: And you go by Tom? TF: I go by Tom. NN: All right, let's see. Do you use any special accents when spelling or saying your name? TF: No. NN: OK. Didn't think so. So, would you like to ask the first question? EG: Yes. Tell us, you kind of came in to check out the school building. And just interested to hear more about where you grew up and experiences. TF: Well. Yeah, I've like I said, I tried to get in here before, I didn't know when it was open for the public to come in because last I remembered, it was an apartment complex. So, it was private. NN: The Old Schoolhouse building. TF: Yeah. Yeah. I grew up right next door. 112 Center Street. And my parents were the custodians in this school as long as I remember. And, just going to school here for. Kindergarten, I think through the second grade, I was in third grade at the school after they built that. NN: What were your parents’ names? TF: Well. My dad's first name was Charles. But he went by Fuzzy. All right. That was a nickname he got. I don't know when and. My mom was Josephine. NN: Okay, and they were both custodians of the school? TF: Yeah, pretty much they my dad worked second shift, so he was here during the day and then she would come over and sweep and dump the trash and stuff like that. At night, and we usually came with her, my two sisters and I. �NN: Did either of your parents have any other jobs in the community? TF: I don't think technically they did know no, but my dad... Growing up in Douglas, everybody knew everybody. So, everybody did whatever, you know. He was on the fire department. He did other stuff, just around town. So, they were both part of the Douglas Athletic Club, which was where the library is now. And he was president for a while, and they ran the summer athletic programs and stuff. They were sponsors for that. So, just that kind of stuff. NN: So you said you attended kindergarten through second grade in this building, that would have been in the mid 50s? TF: Yes. NN: OK. TF: You know, I was born in 49. NN: OK. All right. Do you still reside in Douglas? TF: No. NN: Area? TF: Well, I went through high school in Saugatuck and then I went to Navy and then after that and came home and got married, and we live on the north side of Holland right now, but I come down here a lot. NN: What service did you do in the Navy? TF: I was aircraft hydraulics mechanic. For four years, ‘68 to ‘72. NN: Where you stationed any place interesting? TF: No, not really. NN: Okay. TF: Norfolk, Virginia, and Milton, Florida, were my two main bases. But then traveled a little bit. NN: Norfolk is a large naval base, right, naval facility, shipbuilding facility area. TF: Yeah. EG: What… Tell us a bit more. Just thinking back to your childhood, other memories, you had, vivid memories of the neighborhood, the school... �TF: Well, when I was having my picture taken, I was telling the photographer that where you've got the gardens. Just off here to the side, we had a small ballpark there that we played baseball there and then, a little bit further to the west, there was a little hill with trees on the edge of the hill and on the other side between that hill and what used to be The Tara restaurant, there was another place to play ball, and that's where the older kids played. 5:07 TF: It was more of a laid out type of thing, and they would play over there, and that was pretty much all... We had the playground equipment that was on the other side of the school of Merry-Go-Round, a slide and teeter totters.And that was all that was there. NN: That was on the side toward your house? TF: Right. NN: OK. TF: And. Memory from a teeter totter I got. My cousin and I were on there one just in the summer one time, and he jumped off while I was up in the air and came down a split my head open up metal handle. [Chuckles] NN: Right. So. So you were obviously injured to some extent. Do you remember where you were taken to get patched back up? TF: Just home. NN: Back home, and that was OK? TF: At the time, Dr. Coxford was a doctor and he lived out down towards the lake shore. So that was where his office was. The hospital is across the street, across the highway, Bluestar. It's a hotel now. NN: The Kirby, yep. TF: Yes. NN: Were you born at the Kirby House? TF: Yep. NN: Were you, okay. TF: And my sisters. NN: What years were they born? �TF: Oh great. [Laughs] NN: About? TF: I have an older sister that's about two years older than me, and then a younger one was around ‘54. I think she was born. NN: Okay. And they were all born at the Kirby House? TF: Yeah. NN: Can you tell us a little bit about the fire slide on the back of the old schoolhouse? TF: The two? Yes, there was just a place that we used. We were told not to go in it, but we said it didn't matter. We did anyway and just used it as a slide, because you can go up there and there was a little platform at the top and you could sit and kind of hide from people if you wanted to. Just slide down it. You got filthy because the inside of that thing was metal and so, everything you wore up there got covered in metal dust. NN: So, do you recall sliding down feet-first or head-first or both? TF: Both, mostly feet-first, though, because there was quite a drop at the end. NN: Oh, yeah? TF: Yeah. It wasn't very close to the ground. [All laugh]. NN: So. All right, so tell us. You said you were here from kindergarten through second grade. Which teachers did you have while you were? TF: I just had Mrs. Stroud. Mrs. Stroud. She was the only one I had. The only other teachers that I remember were Mrs. Haddaway. She had the room right next door, would have been right next on the ground floor. But, I don't remember the name of the teacher that was up on top with the upper grades. Can't remember her. Didn't have nothing to do with it. So, I don't remember. But, Mrs. Haddaway stayed with the school system all the way till we consolidated with Saugatuck because Douglas was an independent and when the kids… � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. 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Lemmen Library and Archives https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/38ba2e0a5930a9772f09beaadc728b78.mp3 defe30c84d17c3b7a926a6098595e49e https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/8e158f15afa2232df817176112e88ffa.pdf 4048f04b0b892e81afe14f2c2ac7221a PDF Text Text Anne Corlett interviewed by Sharon Bower June 4, 2018 SB: Hi, this is Sharon Bower and we're interviewing Anne Corlett. Anne, tell me, when was the first time you came to Saugatuck? AC: Probably as a baby, because my grandparents came as children separately. And then my father grew up coming every summer and my grandparents owned a big old farmhouse. So, we would come every summer from long before I was born. SB: When’s the first, what’s the first memory? AC: I was born in 60, I would say probably. I remember Easters. I know it's not summer, but we would come up for Easter. My grandparents would put on a big Easter weekend. We'd all fit. They had four children. They were 14 grandchildren. We all fit in that big farmhouse. And I remember walking on the frozen lake and, you know, Easter egg hunts and that. AC: But the summer, you know, they're all summers blended together. As you know, most of the days are on the beach. I probably I remember. I remember my sixth birthday. That might be one of the earliest. That's August 1st. McVeigh's Store was down... So we're on Lake Shore Drive, about a quarter mile north of Center Street. And McVeigh's Store was just that much further down. And I was old enough to walk by myself. And back then they had a post office. So, on my sixth birthday, I went to see if I got any mail, which I didn't. But I always kind of found some change around, you know, a nickel or a quarter or some pennies. And so, there was penny candy. So, it's always worth. That's a big memory. But all those beach days all meld together. SB: And, what do you remember about the area so much? I mean, was it just the water, the beach, the shops? I mean, it's changed a lot now. AC: Oh, we almost never we almost never went downtown sometimes maybe for ice cream at Around the Corner. I think that was there. That... what's now Kilwin's was a big store that sold like fabric and thread. I'm sure it sold a lot more. But as a little kid, I'd go with my older sisters who were loved to sew and we'd go to that big, huge building on that corner of. It's like kitty corner from the. From the ... SB: Drug store? AC: Yes, we are all.... SB: The drug store, wasn't there? AC: No, it was there. I just don't remember it being much of anything. SB: Did you go to church at any of the churches here? AC: No, no. I'm a pagan. [Laughs] �SB: Grandma? Family. AC: My grandmother. No. I don't remember them going to church. But. But I do. I'll tell you what. The Chain Ferry was a big event and I had older cousins and we would walk across the golf course, West Shore. It would take a long time, walk to The Chain Ferry and get into town that way. That was a whole day activity. And back then, right at the Chain Ferry where Wick's Park is now, there was a putt-putt course and I loved it. So, you know, you'd save up your money. You go with your older cousins, take the Chain Ferry, play putt-putt, get ice cream and go home. SB: What age do you think I was? AC: Probably anywhere between ten and fifteen. Sixteen. SB: So, what years? AC: So, that would be 1970-76, I would say. Yeah. So, downtown was pretty sleepy. If it was a beautiful beach day, nobody was downtown and we were lucky. AC: We had our own beach so we would walk down. You know, big memory is just going to the beach and spending most of the day, like I would wake up, put on my bathing suit, have breakfast and go to the beach and spend all day come up, you know, climb trees, find cousins, because by then we had several houses and so different cousins would come. My grandparents built one. Sold it. Bought this big old farmhouse. That's before I was born. CAPTA bought a different house. My grandmother's parents had built a house across the street. Those are all still in our family now. So now we're fourth. Well, I would be third generation, but we all have kids. So, there's four generations that are using that still, same property. SB: Where were you grandparents from? AC: Super cool. They're both from Oak Park, Illinois. They used to take the steam steamship across in the summer. My grandfather would come and camp on the property that my grandmother's parents eventually bought and built on. And that property was super cheap. I bet they well, relative to other property of the time because he couldn't grow anything on it. It was right on the beach. Nobody wanted. Isn't it crazy? And so that was probably in 1910, or something that they bought it. That was right across it. We still own it. It's still in my greater family as I said. 5:04 AC: Now there's 14 owners of because it's my generation. SB: And where were you living at the time? �AC: We were also a suburb of Chicago, River Forest. Well, my grandparents were River Forest too. And I say, Oak Park over. We would drive over. Mom would fill this station wagon. We'd pack in. She was very relaxed. There were six of us. We'd pack in pillowcases and our pillowcase would be our pillow for the ride up. I don't remember because 196 wasn't built then. At a certain point, you'd be driving probably what's now Blue Star. And you'd see as soon as you saw sand dunes, you'd be like, "Ugh, really close." But it would still be 40 minutes. There's probably like a four hour drive or more from Chicago. SB: Did your cottage have indoor plumbing? AC: Yes. Not when they bought it. They bought it. It used to be like a B&B, which back then. What's it called? Boarding house. When they bought it, it had an outhouse. They changed that into like an ice shed. And then they tried to run it as a boarding house. So, they made a his and hers bathroom out of one of the bedrooms, which were still there until the farmhouse, which is what we call it, had a big fire in the 90s. And then we had to remodel, which was nice. But anyway, but yes, there was indoor plumbing in this, you know, by the 60s for sure. SB: And what did you do in the evenings? AC: Games, cards, Scrabble. So, because cousins were often around, my sisters are enough older where I didn't really hang out. But I would go to my cousin's cottage or we'd drift around. So, my parents felt like it was super safe, and it was. And so, we'd drift, you know, from at least the age of 12, I could drift in the evening even and go see what the other Corletts were doing. And they might be playing charades or some other game, multigenerational games all the time. AC: Occasionally, and then every once in a while, my mom, who was a big party giver, would have like about once a year she'd have an art auction and she'd invite anyone who wanted to come in the neighborhood. And it was for dinner and your ticket to dinner was a piece of art you made. And usually, you know, it's all ages. So, it just be anything. It was a clothesline art show and then they'd had that hung clothesline in the dining room. They'd hang them all up and she'd make a big part of chili or something. And then we'd have an art auction, a penny auction at night. You know, that was great. SB: Did you contribute art? AC: Always, sure. I've always done. Ah, I'm a painter. SB: I know you were. What ways did you start? AC: Well, I would. Oh, well, we were always doing projects and stuff. I don't think I took art seriously probably until high school, till I was 15, maybe. SB: Did you paint while you were here during the summer? AC: Not till college. Not until... which is still the 70s. I went to college in 78. So yeah, I would watercolor all the time. My grandmother, that's Helen Corlett, was a water colorist. She used to �go to Oxbow all the time. Occasionally, I think probably twice in my life, I took a class at Oxbow as a young person, younger than teenager, like eight or nine, once or twice, maybe 10. SB: What was Oxbow like then? AC: Oh, it's just really just like a quiet, sleepy little, you know, that old fart, you know, the old Singapore hotel or whatever that is that, of course, that was there with its cricketing floor. So that hasn't changed. And they had little workshops and those little buildings. I think I did ceramic. I do remember doing ceramics one time. I was pretty young, though. I don't remember a whole lot. You know, it wasn't till I was an adult where till I took another class in 2000. SB: But you had to drive up there now? AC: Yes. Yes, we drove. So, my grandparents used to sail here. We always drove. We would come because it was my grandparents’ house. We we'd get three weeks in the summer, so we'd come for three full weeks. My dad would come up on the weekends and then right around when I was in high school, so in the mid 70s, maybe even early 70s, my grandpa bought another house and things happened so that we could be up there longer. And they moved to this little cottage behind that eventually became my mom's. AC: So, we would have three full weeks. It was just heaven. And then later we'd have most of the summer come up. Venetian Night was the height of every summer. AC: Oh, when I was another birthday memory and I might have been turning six. And my mom. I might have been five though, because I remember my sister gave me a purse full of candy. Best present ever. But that year we had all my cousins, different cousins on my mom's side who would go to South Haven in the summer. Just totally a different nut, you know, and my mom's side anyway. 10:06 AC: And they all came for my birthday party. And then mom said, "Honey, I've arranged some fireworks for your birthday." And it was Venetian Night, because my birthday was so close. She just pretended that was my birthday. So, of course, that's why I think I have a real healthy selfconfidence. SB: You thought the fireworks were for you? AC: Yes, I did. I really did, so I had to be only like five. AC: But we would go to the yacht club. My grandfather Corlett, Webster, was one of the very first members there. SB: And it’s the same location? �AC: Same location. You know, recently it's been built up, but it was just like this sleepy little cottage. It was great. And we would just go, you know, we'd lined the docks to watch the fireworks. It's huge. Back then, there was not a Fourth of July fireworks, much less, you know, New Year's Eve. It was just a Venetian Night and the parade of boats. You know, as a kid, I would hear while my parents were having. AC: So, the big thing is on the weekends during the week, there was no schedule. We floated around the house. It was just great on the weekends, a little more of a schedule because my dad was in town and there was always a major cocktail hour. And the kids. You know, I don't know what I did except listen to the dirty jokes. as they kind of got a little buzzed. AC: You know, all the stories on there were always stories like of like of the wild downtown, especially in Venetian Night. You know, we were supposed to stay away because the bikers were coming in town. And I do remember motorcycle, you know, tons of motorcycles parked in front of The Sandbar. SB: But you didn't go downtown? AC: I… Not... Not when... SB: Bikers? AC: No, no. I mean, not really. I couldn't. I was too young. You know, if we're talking 60s and 70s. By the 70s, I suppose I... but I didn't really spend... You know, evenings in the summer, we would go to the beach. And when I was old enough, go to beach fires. And back then, you kind of you could have a beach fire, or you could just look either way down the beach and say, "Huh? Are they having a beach fire there? Is there one in Shorewood, you know." Then we walked out. AC: Are we covering all the questions? Now, I know you're doing great. SB: You're fine, fine. AC: OK. All right. So, when I got older, so I was so like I would say by 73, when I was 13, I also was friends with other people on the lakeshore, the O'Donnells, or, you know, like 10 kids, the two oldest were my age. Chris O'Donnell, you know, the actor, one of them, but he was a baby then. The Quirks were across the street. There were you know, so there were all these people. We kind of had a gang my age that did the whole beach fire circuit. AC: So, you'd if maybe we would have it on my beach. It was usually my older cousins who would do it, or you'd walk down there might be one five houses down. There might be, north of us is Shorewood. That was always a huge gang. Some of those people became lifelong friends and, you know, like Tag Werneck, lifelong friend from beach fires. There's something about it. And so, we'd go down and there was always beer, but... SB: So, someone would build a fire on the beach? �AC: Yes. And I remember foraging for wood on the beach for beach fires people and bring logs down from their house. There was wood or you'd pick the dry beach grass and you'd you know, that was a big adventure. You learn to go to the bathroom in the beach grass, really young because you don't wanna go back up to the house. SB: All the way up there? AC: Yeah. SB: Because it was a hill, right? AC: Yes. Lots of steps. SB: Yep. AC: So, evenings were pretty much fun. And there was beer. You know, I was pretty careful till about well, maybe when I was 15, maybe 16. I'd have one beer, whatever. I got caught once and a lot of trouble. I was grounded for two weeks in the summer. SB: Your parents caught you? AC: Yeah. I came in and my mom's like… You I actually I had snuck out and it came back and she came up to my bed and I was like pretending I was asleep. She's like, "This is your ticket back to River Forest." But I knew she was faking. She didn't want to go back. But I was grounded for two weeks. SB: And it was that mean you had to stay in the house? AC: I couldn't go out at night. So, my friends, my cousins, they come by, they report. They go out. They come back. They report. It was kind of fun, actually. I wouldn't tell my mom that. SB: Did you ever go to Douglas at all? AC: Douglas was... There was a little grocery for a while. You know, I think that was Terry Byrne's father. But that's when I was really young. The Newsstand was always there and the post office. And that's all I remember about Douglas. The library back then, the library was downtown Saugatuck on Butler Street. AC: And one of my mom's really good friends was Bill Allen. He was a newscaster for WOOD TV-8, and they had been family friends, so she'd known him since a kid. 15:00 AC: And he lived. They lived on Campbell Road, which, you know, backs... It was pretty close to us. You could cut across a golf course or whatever. And why did I bring him up? Why did you just ask me about? Oh, no. Oh, no. I thought of the library. He was somebody was instrumental �in getting that library together. So, I think it came together in the 60s because I kind of remember that it was Brandon... SB: Where was it at in Saugatuck? AC: It was on Butler Street, like where... Just down from Landshark's. Like where it is where it is. It later became The Newsstand. I remember when The Newsstand was there. No. Yeah. Right now it's like American Spoon, or something. SB: Yes. AC: Yes. That was a library. SB: A one-story? AC: Yes, just one story. AC: I remember going with my cousin, Steph Higgins. She was a huge reader, four years older, loved her death, followed her everywhere and she went to the library. She took me there once and I had never been. And she knew where every book was. She was such a voracious reader. So, I would go to. And so that was very much fun. But I would go down to her cottage across the street, which was musty, musty, musty. And they had paperbacks like... That was another thing. Tons of reading. And they had paperbacks lining their bookshelves. And she had read every single one, like at least twice. And so, you'd pull out one, you know, it was like a great little secret. AC: Also, they had a huge collection of Archie comics, like they had the biggest. So, we'd sit on the porch and read Archie comics. And, you know, it was you could see the lake from their cottage. So, the breeze would come in. You'd be reaching, reaching Archie comics. SB: Did you like Veronica or Betty? AC: Of course, Betty. Veronica was a bitch and Archie was kind of a dweeb that couldn't like Reggie. Reggie was a jerk. Remember Archie? Wasn't it great? SB: Yes, I do remember them. AC: And then the neighbor next to them on the beach, Debbie Quirk. She was... She had two older sisters. And she she was kind of advanced. She was the first one that got me a beer, you know. And she they had love comics. So, you know, with a big tears, you know. I mean, it's very funny now thinking about like I was like, "Love comics, sort of dicey, you know, compared to Archie." [Chuckles] AC: And then Aunt Peg Higgins', who had been a Corlett who married a Higgins. There's a lot of double marriages in my family. But anyway, two Corletts married two Burmans. Two Corletts married Higgins. Cousins married brothers. �AC: But anyway, Aunt Peg. May she rest in peace. She just died last year. She she was an artist and she had art projects going all the time. So, I would go there and do whatever project they were doing. They were always different, all kinds. We would go we would also go to the beach and a bunch of us would play Star Trek on the beach. I was young, so I had to be the guy with the accent. I couldn't be Spock or, you know, I can't remember his name, not what's supposed to be. SB: How did you play Star Trek? AC: I don't know. We ran around and we'd hide behind Lost Rock and so... Lost Rock, do you know where that is? That's like south of our property. That was a big thing. Walk to Lost Rock and back. You could get you… Sometimes we would dig clay out of the bank there and bring it back and make like clay stuff on the beach. AC: What else? The rock that's at Douglas Public Beach, which we called Buffalo Rock. It's actually a little off of Douglas Public, but we would go there and get washed off by the waves. There was one rock and I found out recently that was way out in the water. But we called it Moby Dick. That was at our beach that we would find every summer. In fact, I would kiss it before I went home. SB: It's still there? AC: Yeah, I just found it not that long ago. We swam and swam and swam. SB: But that that rock was out of the water? AC: It was never out of the water. SB: OK, so you kissed it in the water? AC: Yes. Yeah. Oh, Daddy kissed. Yes. But it was so big. Even you know how the water changes so much. But you could find it every year. My cousins had a giant intertube. We spent hours on that in the water. SB: Then there wasn't any concession stand there or anything like there? AC: No. SB: It was just beach and people's property? AC: Right. Right. SB: Was there Oval Beach there? �AC: Oval Beach. We never... Well, we would walk down and as kids were, you know, the big thing would be walked to the lighthouse and back. And I remember when. We were walking down my cousin Mary and I, but we were 14, so that's being the 74. And we were walk into the lighthouse and back. And we're just walking. And Mary's like, “Anne, Anne, I think I see a naked man swimming." AC: And I'm like, "No, no, no." AC: And she goes, "Yes!" And then we're walking along. And there was a sand sculpture of a penis. [Both laugh] SB: Oh, jeez. AC: So, she's like, "I think that's a penis." AC: I was like, "No, it isn't." She was a year younger than me. She was always freaking out. 20:01 AC: "Come on. I don't think we should go. I don't think we should." And we went and we just kept walking. And most most of the men in there were in the beach grass and stuff. But there were I think there were some naked men swimming, but it was nothing. She was a little more shocked. than I was. AC: We go to the lighthouse, which, you know, isn't really a lighthouse. It's just that thing that's still the same. SB: The big lighthouse wasn't there? AC: Right. I don't know if it's the same, but it was just like a thing on the end of the pier there. And we come back and there was a man taking money. But you could always walk by because it's legal to walk by. But we came back and she told her mom and the police came to talk to us about it. “What'd you see?” AC: Because her mom, her mother was really a prude. She was really freaked out. SB: If you had... Were you cognizant of the gay community being here at all? AC: Not in here at all. Oh, yes. But not… not that whole beach. And and honestly, I can say this, maybe this because I'm an adult and I don't have a problem with anybody doing that, but or being gay or anything else like that. But I don't remember it bothering me, really. At all, because we still would do the whole walk. But Mary, it did freak out, Mary. AC: But I do remember. OK. Back to when we would sit on the front porch, I would sit and listen into, you know, these conversations as the adults. And I had adult sisters who who were married, you know, when I was very young. So, all our weddings, almost all six weddings were �up here in the summer or the spring. Not all of them, but I'd say four out of six at least. I remember the story of my dad and one or two of my brother-in-law's going to The Blue Tempo just to see if it was really gay and it was. SB: Where was the Blue Tempo? AC: The Blue Tempo was... And so that was the big talk. There's a gay bar. The Blue Tempo was... as you come into Saugatuck on I guess it's Culver now. It was on the left on the river. It was kind of you had to kind of go down. There was a sign. Blue Tempo. And I think it was where those were the condos are now. I'm not exactly sure. And so so ever after that, it's like, oh, The Blue Tempo isn't a myth. It really is gay. Now, that story could have been just a story because they were always laughing. But that's the only... SB: It was a wild town in those days, was it not? AC: Very wild. Yeah. That's why we weren't allowed to go in town, especially Venetian weekend. That was like. Up for grabs. Very well. Now, when I was older, I went to college in the fall of 78 in Wisconsin. AC: And then in the summer of 79, I worked at Coral Gables, which is funny because everybody who ever summer-ed here worked at Coral Gables, you know, and I. SB: As a waitress? AC: No. Yes. But it was just in The Galley. The Galley was a breakfast place where The Corner Bar is now, OK. And I worked with... I just talked to this woman who lives here, who grew up here. Maria Dross. Yes. She. She and I worked together there. And she remember the names of everybody. AC: I remember Bob Berger was the manager. Like Mike Johnson, who is older than I am. But he wasn't really in charge. His dad was still alive. And I think his brother was still alive, too. And but Bob Berger was managing and he had kind of come in and sort of scare us, you know, with his big size, a big voice. But Murt made donuts every morning and we'd have Frank Dennison and a couple other guys would come in every morning and have their coffee and donuts. And you just hoped you waited on them because you usually get a really good tip. But, you know, I was just 19. SB: And this was just a part time job or-? AC: This was a summer job in between in college. SB: Every day or just part time? AC: I can't remember. Probably. Yeah. But I mean, it was a breakfast lunch place, so I never. So it was probably part time, yeah. Yeah. My dad never wanted us to work at night downtown in the �restaurants. He's like, absolutely not. But then I got to be friends with the people who worked there. AC: So then even though I was... So, it was legal to drink when you were 18 in Michigan, when I was 18, but when I was 19, it changed to 21. So, I couldn't. But I was used to it because I was in Wisconsin and you could drink. So, my friends who worked there would get me into The Crone stuff. They weren't so tough with ages back then, but sometimes I'd go to a party. The guys who worked there used to live in apartments under what is now The Annex. Occasionally I go to a party there, you know, get in trouble because I come home late smelling like beer. SB: Did you walk home or did you go? AC: I had a bicycle. I rode my bike every day to work. SB: Oh, wow. AC: From the farmhouse to Coral Gables is, you know, four miles. 25:01 AC: Not that much. Five me. Oh, no. Two and a half or three. SB: You have to go down Blue Star, though, right? AC: Yeah. You were down Blue Star. That whole summer, there was a bird that went after my head for the hair, I think, right going over the bridge. Every time it was free, I finally learned to wear a hat because back then, nobody wore helmets. Yeah, so. So, by the time I was a teenager, I was spending time downtown. So, that's in the 70s. SB: And what do you remember about the Saugatuck downtown, then? Was it mostly restaurants, shops? You know, there were some shops. Ice cream stores, or what? AC: The only real, you know, the first like real store was East of the Sun, which was on the corner there, kind of right across from Land Sharks. I forget what's there now. And then across from that was Sue... Oh, you know her. She died young, unfortunately. She was a great golfer. Sue Lewis, Sue and Stubbe Lewis owned East of the Sun. And then they started across the street the like real preppy clothing store, Brigadoon. And those were all those stores. AC: Oh, and The London Shop. Those are the only clothing stores. So do you remember The London Shop? All those old ladies who weren't that old, but they look so old to me. They were the reading glasses on, fancy little stuff, you know, necklace around there. And there were two. In my view, little old ladies, and they had, you know, like really traditional classic clothing. It was called The London Shop, and it was kind of probably where the oh, The Butler isn't there anymore. You know, For the Love of Shoes, where The Butler used to be. It was right in that first block. And we would go there. Mom would drag me there because she wanted to go and only because it wasn't my clothes. It was mostly adults, but they were there a long time and they �were the only. They were the original clothing store in my memory. And then he's then Brigadoon came later. And also, there was a needlework needlepoint shop next to that, I kind of remember. SB: Restaurants? Did you go to any restaurants? AC: Well, The Butler was always there. And same with Coral Gables. But we never went out. But what you want to know where we would go? Oh, The Red Barn. Love The Red Barn. We went as kids. My grandmother went to every show and she would take us as kids out... SB: Now, these were plays they did? AC: Yeah, the plays at The Red Barn. SB: The one that's still there? AC: Yes. SB: By the Belvedere? AC: Yes. And they were top notch. You know, it's they were nearly as good as Mason Street is now because they had someone's gonna know the name of the guy from New York City who brought the New York cast over. And he did. I'll never forget Man of Lamancha. And I think I was about 14, you know, to be like 73 or 4 or 5. And I went twice and it just, you know, drowning in my own tears. It was so good. AC: But those show and there'd be a couple locals. And then Bert Tillstrom, the puppet guy. He always had Saturday afternoon things. We spent a lot of time at The Red Barn. And it was as a treat. If my grandmother took us, we'd go to The Elbowroom first. So that's where that was a restaurant back then. And that's where The Southerner is now. SB: Yes. AC: Yes. Right. It was The Elbowroom. SB: And then it was The Elbowroom again, but long after. AC: But way back in the 70s. Elbowroom. And I always ordered spaghetti because my mom never made noodles. But anyway, so we'd go to that. And I don't think they served alcohol, which so we'd be like if my grandmother took the grandkids, we'd go there and then we'd go to the show. And she always had lifesavers she'd passes and then there'd be an intermission and you'd go to. And that it was the same, of course, old building. It really hasn't changed much. And you go downstairs and they'd serve. Somebody made a cake. And, you know, there was kind of a concession. SB: There wasn't, they didn't have any air conditioner, right? �AC: No, fans. Seems like someone's word as hard as they are. SB: No. No. Because you didn't have... did you have air conditioning in your cottage? AC: No, still don't. This one I don’t get. We spent so much time on the front porch, which wraps around. It makes an L. And this is what always surprises me about new houses. Now that they don't have screened in porches, you know, you see these big, beautiful houses. My opinion, too big, but don't quote me, without a screened in porch. We spent so much time on the porches because that's where you get the breeze. You get wet from the lake. And then you'd sit in the breeze, you know, did a lot of climbing of trees, too, in a wet bathing suit. SB: What have you seen in terms of the changes here? Good and bad. AC: I felt very sad. And I remember my dad was just so sad when the first big condo thing went up. And I feel like the one... SB: Which one was that? AC: Well, I feel like it was the one right as you're first going into Saugatuck. I'm not sure that was the very first, but that was a first really big one. 30:02 AC: Oh, you know, Tara was a place we went to dinner, so that wasn't in Saugatuck, but it was over... Right here on Center and Bluestar. SB: Yes. AC: Yeah. It was up. It's so funny because there's so many condos there now. It was just one restaurant on the top of a hill, you know. And we went there all the time at both my grandmothers. My mom's parents also live. They ended up retiring up here, down by the wash out. Really close to Lake Shore Resort. Anyway, so, both sets of grandparents were around, which was lovely for me. But the The Tara, we went to with some frequency. SB: And your dad was upset about the condo because lost its charm? AC: It just made him sad. Right. It lost its charm. So, I think. And I'm sure there was some Tshirt shops. I don't really remember. I mean, we didn't shop the way people shop. Now, if you needed a pair of flip flops, which actually I don't think they were invented then, anyways. You know, something like that. Oh, we did Mount Baldy all the time. SB: Were there steps up to Mount Baldy? AC: Yes, there were steps. �SB: But at what age would you say this would be? AC: All through the 60s and 70s. We did. We'd go, we'd either we'd walk there, or we'd get driven and dropped off and we'd go up and down and we'd go up the stairs and run down the side, which you can still do. And there used to be a route rope swing on the other side. And I was never big enough to do that by the time it came down. But all my older cousins and siblings did. And then we go up and down and up and down. And then the last time we went up, we'd run down to the Oval and walk home on the beach. So that was great. We also toboggan it in the winter. SB: Oh, wow. AC: Scary. SB: From… From the top? Where Mount Baldy is? AC: From the top. Yeah. The top on Mount Baldy down the back. Actually, I did that with a boyfriend and that would be in 79 or so. Yeah. I'm glad I'm alive. That was something. SB: Do you remember how many steps it was in those days? AC: Well, it was the same steps that were here. You know, they rebuilt these not that long ago. But no, I have no idea. Numbers and I just don't... I can't remember any numbers. SB: Besides the condos, what other changes do you see? That you think were good or bad? AC: Let me just tell you about my family. It's a great story about my grandmother. Her husband, and they weren't married, so she was staying in the house. They ended up buying. They were residents of this boarding house. My grandfather, they were teenagers in like 15. And she told me this story after I got in trouble for sneaking out, which was really sweet. He came, threw stones on her window. They had they had a picnic breakfast. It was like before the sun rose and she snuck out and they went to Mount Baldy and climbed it to watch the sunrise. And there were no stairs then. But that would be like they were probably married in 1915.So that would be before 1912, or something. SB: She had to sneak out, though? AC: She had to sneak out too. So that was nice that she told me. That's true. I don't think they were drinking beer but. OK, let me see. SB: Did you have a boat or anything? AC: Yes, we had a boat. We still have it. It's a 1964 Boston Whaler. So, my grandfather, there was a lot of sailboat racing at the yacht club back then. My dad, my grandfather, my uncle. I never really learned. And I wish I had. I did not spend much time there, but we would go watch them race. And we had this little Boston Whaler. My Uncle Ted, Ted Corlett, did a lot of work �on the docks. You know, it was not fancy the way it is now. And he did a lot of the repair and he was just like. He's an engineer and he just loved to spend time doing it. So anyway, so we we had a really good slip right by the. And we had just a little seventeen and a half foot Boston Whaler. But we would waterski behind it. We waterski on the big lake or in Silver Lake. That hasn't changed really at all. It's funny, though, you go down the river. The houses are so big and fancy and they were just like little fishing shacks. AC: And I remember a lot all those little... Some are the same. SB: You would come from where the the yacht club was? AC: Yes. Down to the big lake. Down the river to... The cove was always a big thing. We would go as kids. We would go as teenagers. There's usually a party there. That whole thing that happens. Venetian weekend happened all the time. Well, not with a barge necessarily, but there are always boats there partying and getting sun. We spend time there too, or we go out in the lake and, you know, jump in the water when it was really hot. Way out there, which we still do. AC: OK. So changes. So the yacht club changing is a big thing, you know. I guess it's for the best. But I. I'm sad about losing the character that used to be there. It was very not fancy, which was lovely anyway. So that all. Same with all the condos. I think it's great. People can enjoy the area, but it's to me, it's lost a lot of that summer cottage thing. 34:58 AC: There's still some of those cottages on Park Street, and I just love them. And I hope that, you know, and I don't I never feel bad if somebody. I mean, I don't I don't disparage somebody putting money into the area. That's fine. But I it is. I miss that old. Like it was a sleepy little town that got a a little crazy in the summer, but it was just a sleepy little town. That was lovely. AC: I would say the Lake Shore hasn't changed a whole bunch, but I'm so lucky that we have a place, and that's remained the same. SB: You know, your grandmother's cotton grandmother's big barn or a farmhouse. AC: Yes, we called the farmhouse. SB: Yes. AC: Yeah. How’re we doing? SB: We’ve got time to talk. AC: OK. How much time to read? SB: An hour. OK. Yeah. And so, what... What other... You did, boating, swimming. You didn't do sailing. �AC: Well, I didn't personally race boats, but other people in my family did. But we did have a Sunfish on the lakeshore, which a lot of people used. I turtled at twice and then bent the mast. So, then I decided I was going to sail it anymore. But my Uncle Ted made surfboards like big heavy, almost like floating rafts. So, we did we'd just play in the water a lot. AC: Oh, I'll tell you another beach thing we did. And these are my creative older sisters. We did sand castings a lot. So, you get Plaster of Paris and a big bucket and then you get the sand wet. My oldest sister, Sue, was a master at it. You take something to make an impression in the sand. Maybe it's your hand. Or maybe it's like she loved to do impressions of, you know, like Mother Mary or I don't know. Stuff she found. And then you pour it. You make plaster with the lake water and you pour it in and let it harden. And then when you flip it out, it's a sand casting and we have him hanging all over. And I had my kids doing when they were a little. So that was a big beach tradition. And artistic. SB: So, you were, were always doing art, doing something artistic always? AC: That was that's how we kept busy. Never had a TV. Never, never had a TV there. Now we do. Which I don't like. But I think the men sort of overrode the new TV because they. Because of sports. SB: What do you think this place was special for you? AC: I mean, the family was there. Connection to family and connection to the lake. And, you know, I am always going to paint the lake. I I am so driven to connect to what what that how it makes me feel to be at the beach. And sometimes when I'm painting, I think all those hours. I mean, we used to lie in the sun and get sunburnt for hours. You know, baby oil or Copper Tone, you know, getting the perfect tan was really important. AC: And so, all those hours I spent on the beach, I did a lot of reading on the beach, too. And we would dig sand, sand castles, make, you know, drip castles. And, you know, there was all kinds of things we did. AC: But anyway, when I paint now, I think, oh, that's what all that time was like, stacking up my bank, like filling me up with all this information that I still need to get out canvas. I think that a lot. That's why I need to paint like the water I painted all the time, or the dunes, or the clouds. I mean, I'm so driven and you think I get tired of it, but I haven't get tired of it. SB: You say it has much changed since those days. AC: Right. Right. The dunes and the clouds. Dune Schooner rides, the same thing. I did him as a kid in the 60s, scared the death, scared me to death. I just took friends on them last year. They're really a lot the same. God bless them for keeping the dune rides. So Mount Baldy, the dune rise. That's all the same. I don't mind. I think it's kind of fun. �AC: The downtown has so many great restaurants. It really does. And it's fun. The bars, the restaurants are great. You know, the shops. I just I don't go to town when it's busy because it's too frustrating. SB: You live here, now. AC: Yes. SB: Now, how did you decide to do that? AC: 30 years now I've lived here. Well, because I married a person who who had a business here. He we met because he was my parents' dentist. So, I was living in Chicago in an art neighborhood, and they were frantic to get me married because I was an old maid, because I was 27. So, they introduced me to him and we hit it off and got married within a year. So, in 88 we got married and I moved here and I'm so happy I did because even though that marriage didn't work out in the long run, it was great. Well, it was great. And we have these wonderful kids, and it was wonderful raising the kids here. 40:02 AC: I loved being… I thought at first, I was afraid a little bit of such a small school system. But it's a stellar system. And you can I was on the school board. You could jump in with both feet and really make a difference. And I think a lot of parents do. I think it's so. So, I've lived for 30 years. So, even in the time I've lived here, it's changed a lot. AC: But especially since the 60s and 70s when I was growing up in the summer here, I think the lakeshore has changed the least, although it's real sad to see Westshore Golf Course gone. And I never really we would go we're right behind the 15th green. We would go in and, you know, put around, you know, goof around out there and we would have lemonade stands out there, made a lot of money, and then we would search for golf balls, sell them back to the golfers, and make a lot of money. I mean, really enough money to go to McVeigh's and buy candy. But the. But other than that golf course, you know, there's some big houses and stuff, but there's still a lot of cottages. And it's lovely. AC: It's so crowded. Like Douglas Beach is so crowded. You know, it's just for parking and stuff. Sort of too bad. But I'm so lucky. I know it doesn't matter to me. I think it's good if people can use it. It's I think that B&Bs are interesting, you know. And now it's AirB&B that that's brought so many more people. But I don't go in. I go into town to do yoga in the morning. I love there's some stores I love, but I don't go downtown in the summer. SB: And how would you compare Saugatuck-Douglas, to other places that you lived? Is it totally different? AC: Yes. SB: A little cocoon or what? How would you describe? �AC: Well, you know, I haven't lived too many other places. SB: You were in Chicago. AC: I was in a neighborhood of Chicago. I grew up in a suburb of Chicago. And then when I went to school in Madison, Wisconsin. But up north, I've spent a fair amount of time in a gallery up like in Harbor Springs. And I have a good friend in Traverse City. I've spent lots of time in Leelanau. I think I think Saugatuck, some of those towns way up north are kind of kind of still feel like Saugatuck used to. There's some big money, but mostly it's just local. I love that the farms are still close Here, you can go. And I love our artisan cheeses and, you know, like our like, Virtue's Cider and Fenne Valley and all these places. SB: And let's not forget Cranes. AC: Cranes. You know, I don't remember going as a kid. SB: You don't. remember it being here? AC: I don't remember it being here. SB: Picking apples? AC: It might have been here but I didn't do it as a kid. I can't. We always went to Pier Cove. We used to always go down there. No, I don't remember. SB: What was Pier Cove? Why did you go to Pier? AC: Just because it's a cool beach. SB: You don't like picking fruit here? Any of that stuff? AC: I didn't. I think my mom had too many kids to marshal around, but I took my kids picking fruit. But that would be in the 90s. Yeah. What else is big? Yeah, we put, you know, I think just hanging out outside, you know. We were talking about I was different from anything. SB: So how is it different from any place else? AC: Well, right now, the fact that it's a small town. Oh, it's very different because it's especially in the off-season, it has that wonderful small town feel where you drive in the gas station and you you wave at the owner, you know. AC: Now, I forgot. McGee, you know, from your car or you you know you know, the whatnot was always there. You know, the people there or whatever you see people, you know, all the time. It's a lovely small town, but it has so much sophistication. So even though sometimes people retired back then, now it's hugely a retirement community. And same with the gay �community, I think has has put roots down. They didn't just back then it was OK. There was a bar or two or whatever, and I don't really know. But now it's it's part of our bigger culture. AC: And I think there's such a wealth right now of of intelligence and experience and the willingness to volunteer. And so, this history center's amazing and our library is amazing. And, you know, our school system's amazing in part because of all the partnerships. You know, Rotary is amazing. I mean, there's just so much going on, I'm sure. And for all the SCA and Oxbow. All those things make it such a rich place to live. I don't think other small communities this size have that kind of, you know, at all. SB: Remember, this interview is going to be saved for a long time. AC: Yes. SB: Maybe 50 years from now. Somebody listens to it. What advice would you have for them or what would you tell them about this time? About this time right now? About your community and others right now? How would you explain it 50 years from now, it's going to be totally different. Probably. 45:06 AC: Well, I love this community and I don't think I ever want to leave. I like it. It's I think it's exciting that it's full of tourists in the summer. And I think it's delightful when it's just the people who live here year-round and some people live here, you know, come some people go away in the winter. That's a little different. I think that's delightful, too, to you know, I think we have a beautiful fabric. AC: We have our school, which is really strong and wonderful. And the and the teachers are amazing and the and the parents are amazing. So, we have her school. We have our businesses there. They're starting to dovetail more and more because some of the business owners like Landshark have their kids in the schools. You know, we have professionals living here and raising their families because now they can work remotely. And that's changed a lot. And I think that's lovely. Lots of people work from their home. And then we have the retired community. Or and or summer people who don't have children here, so maybe the gay community or just people that live here because they love it. It's beautiful and aren't necessarily connected with the schools. But then our connect and put all their energy in the historic society or that or the Center for the Arts or Oxbow or many others. AC: There are many other charitable causes like it just had that thing Paws for a Cause or Cause for a Paws or something, fundraising for the animals wide. I don't know exactly. But anyway, we have a great scholarship foundation and people give to that. There's Aware scholarships. Aware is another... So there's, there's all kinds of partnerships going on and. I think that's maybe one of the most lovely things about this community. AC: And then, of course, you have the lake shore and you just can't beat the beaches. And I hope I hope we always all have access to the beaches because they're amazing. And I think when I �stand and I'm painting or I'm looking out over the lake, I feel like it's timeless, like it's… it's the same as it was one hundred years ago. And it'll be the same in one hundred years. SB: Yeah. AC: Yeah. If it doesn't get polluted because of course they're going to let those oil pipelines through or something worse. SB: Yeah. So. So what advice would you give somebody 50 years from now if they were going to be living here or are thinking of living here? AC: I don't know. I mean, treasure it. Treasure it. It's beautiful. I hope it doesn't get out of the range of a regular person being able to afford to live here, you know, right now I live out of town. So, we raised our kids in town. And then when I became single, I bought a house out of town. And it's, it's not the country, but it's more affordable and still beautiful and still accessible to the town. So, I hope that I hope that that's still people are still able to live here and it doesn't price out. SB: And what's your favorite place to paint here? AC: You know, it's kind of might sound trite, but I love to go to the Oval. I love to go up in the dunes. And you can either look north where it's wilderness and dunes or you can look south on the beach with the people. Right now, I'm doing a whole series of people on the beach paintings. So much fun. So, I guess I still like to go to the beach to paint the most. AC: Dune State Park, there is another amazing resource, amazing resource. I go many days a week with my dog to walk her. So. That's a lovely place to paint and just to be. SB: In the park? AC: In the Dune State Park, I don't know how many acres, it's hundreds and it's mostly wooded. But then it has all those beaches too there. Gorgeous. But you need to be willing to walk a little to get there. SB: I need a compass. AC: You might need a compass. The trails aren't marked very well. SB: I could get lost. AC: You could get lost. Yeah. You have to know where the sun sets. SB: Figure, if I haven't asked you that, can you think of your memories of this town that you just remember standing out? �AC: You know, the docks that are along the river on the Saugatuck side of Lake Kalamazoo. You know, so in front of from the bottler all the way down to Wick's Park, those are pretty much the same. And I remember boats rafting off of each other on holiday weekends, and that just makes me so happy. I love to see it now. All the art fairs, I didn't bring that up. They were around. My grandmother did on the clothesline after she was part of the art club way back. It's still I just became a member. It's hopefully the art club will still be up in 50 years. 50:04 AC: And actually, they do a couple our fairs. And I just said, OK, I'm going to do it because I want to bring locals to it and to participate in and bring it closer to what it used to be, which was local people with their art, not just. And know commercial are people right now, visual artists like say. SB: Right. Right. AC: But the… So, the art club is another great resource. And there's a garden club or two. I don't really know. Anyway, and Oxbow. SB: Have you been back to Oxbow? AC: I love Ox by actually going to teach there the summer. I'm going to teach pastels. They have the art in the meadow classes. So that's not part of their accredited through the Art Institute. That's kind of more for locals. Oxbow’s fabulous. I can't believe how much the same it is. Even though they have new buildings and they've kept the old they've kept the feeling. It's really a wonderful, happy place. AC: You know, in the 60s and 70s, I was sort of a wannabe hippie. And I feel like, you know, your bare feet in the sand and you're wearing a halter top. Everybody else is wearing, you know, little cutoffs. I feel like that's still happening in Oxbow. Oxbow is timeless and that's lovely. And they have all those that Talmage words there. There's amazing art coming out of there. I hope that's still going in 50 years. AC: And if somebody was to here and live here, definitely go and spend time there and support it and get to know at. Because it's amazing and has been here, you know, a really long time. Hundred and fifty years or something. SB: OK for when you were a child and you would be coming up here for the summer? Well, what would be the thing that you would look forward to? AC: So, the whole thing was pure joy. Let me get one side. Pure joy. It was, you know, even the summers I worked or the summers I didn't work. It was just so it was just beautiful and it was safe. You know, it's kind of amazing. My parents just let me go. You were lucky to live in that time. I think so. And have the grandparents with the foresight, too. Yes. Oh, I can't tell you how lucky I am. I think that every day. I think that every day. �SB: Great. Thank you. AC: Well, thank you. It's been really fun and you're really good at that. SB: So glad to have preserved your history. I'm going to use it for people to understand what life was like. And we don't lose those memories. That is very interesting. It's really great. We’re done. 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Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19720211 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1972-02-11 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 3 No. 9 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. 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Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. 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Allendale, Michigan Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Saugatuck-Douglas History Center Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Stories of Summer (Common Heritage project) Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg application/pdf Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Text Language A language of the resource English Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2018 Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19720120 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1972-01-20 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 3 No. 7 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. 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Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19711223 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1971-12-23 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 3 No. 6 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. 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Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. 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Allendale, Michigan Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Saugatuck-Douglas History Center Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Stories of Summer (Common Heritage project) Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg application/pdf Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Text Language A language of the resource English Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2018 Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19711015 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1971-10-15 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 2 No. 3 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. 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Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. 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Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19710924 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1971-09-24 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 2 No. 1 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. 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Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. 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Allendale, Michigan Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Saugatuck-Douglas History Center Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Stories of Summer (Common Heritage project) Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg application/pdf Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Text Language A language of the resource English Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2018 Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19700605 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1970-06-05 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 1 No. 15 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. 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Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. 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Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19700508 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1970-05-08 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 1 No. 14 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. 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Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. 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Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19700424 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1970-04-24 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 1 No. 13 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. 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Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. 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Allendale, Michigan Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Saugatuck-Douglas History Center Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Stories of Summer (Common Heritage project) Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg application/pdf Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Text Language A language of the resource English Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2018 Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19700313 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1970-03-13 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 1 No. 11 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. Relation A related resource Stories of Summer (project) Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/page/InC/1.0/">In Copyright</a> Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Language A language of the resource eng Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University. University Libraries. Lemmen Library and Archives https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/c177e6133b234ee525bf02ccad6d10f9.pdf 0abb026428ac5e2aac35546732bfdf63 PDF Text Text �� Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant 1910s-2010s Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Various Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/vocab/UND/1.0/">Copyright Undetermined</a> Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Douglas (Mich.) Michigan, Lake Allegan County (Mich.) Beaches Sand dunes Outdoor recreation Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University Libraries. Allendale, Michigan Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Saugatuck-Douglas History Center Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Stories of Summer (Common Heritage project) Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg application/pdf Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Text Language A language of the resource English Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2018 Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19700220 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1970-02-20 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 1 No. 10 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. Relation A related resource Stories of Summer (project) Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/page/InC/1.0/">In Copyright</a> Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Language A language of the resource eng Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University. University Libraries. Lemmen Library and Archives https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/46a8c3c99e83fe3a002e9f8ec1abb1fe.pdf 1c6e08ca6579861cb439ec8918ac49d6 PDF Text Text �� Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant 1910s-2010s Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Various Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/vocab/UND/1.0/">Copyright Undetermined</a> Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Douglas (Mich.) Michigan, Lake Allegan County (Mich.) Beaches Sand dunes Outdoor recreation Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University Libraries. Allendale, Michigan Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Saugatuck-Douglas History Center Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Stories of Summer (Common Heritage project) Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg application/pdf Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Text Language A language of the resource English Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2018 Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19700206 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1970-02-06 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 1 No. 9 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. Relation A related resource Stories of Summer (project) Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/page/InC/1.0/">In Copyright</a> Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Language A language of the resource eng Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University. University Libraries. Lemmen Library and Archives https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/049d7ef72c80d29b664cc343b31288aa.pdf f6222d897ad93e7128f9045e87282dcc PDF Text Text �� Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant 1910s-2010s Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Various Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/vocab/UND/1.0/">Copyright Undetermined</a> Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Douglas (Mich.) Michigan, Lake Allegan County (Mich.) Beaches Sand dunes Outdoor recreation Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University Libraries. Allendale, Michigan Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Saugatuck-Douglas History Center Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Stories of Summer (Common Heritage project) Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg application/pdf Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Text Language A language of the resource English Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2018 Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19700126 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1970-01-26 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 1 No. 8 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. Relation A related resource Stories of Summer (project) Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/page/InC/1.0/">In Copyright</a> Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Language A language of the resource eng Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University. University Libraries. Lemmen Library and Archives https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/92b122cb62f01f2e5101512c12a21960.pdf 887d359f3aec09d217784853e1c25a74 PDF Text Text ���� Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant 1910s-2010s Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Various Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/vocab/UND/1.0/">Copyright Undetermined</a> Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Douglas (Mich.) Michigan, Lake Allegan County (Mich.) Beaches Sand dunes Outdoor recreation Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University Libraries. Allendale, Michigan Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Saugatuck-Douglas History Center Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Stories of Summer (Common Heritage project) Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg application/pdf Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Text Language A language of the resource English Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2018 Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19691219 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1969-12-19 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 1 No. 7 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. Relation A related resource Stories of Summer (project) Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/page/InC/1.0/">In Copyright</a> Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Language A language of the resource eng Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University. University Libraries. Lemmen Library and Archives https://digitalcollections.library.gvsu.edu/files/original/021bc874c1af4cf15f4054f29a0c8bac.pdf 576a9f7780088e65ac24609898d04ce9 PDF Text Text �� Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Summers in Saugatuck-Douglas Collection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Grand Valley State University. Kutsche Office of Local History Description An account of the resource Collection contains images and documents digitized and collected through the project "Stories of Summer," supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Common Heritage Grant. The collection aims to document the twin lakeshore communities of Saugatuck and Douglas, Michigan, as they transformed through the state's bustling tourism industry and acceptance of minorities. Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant 1910s-2010s Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Various Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/vocab/UND/1.0/">Copyright Undetermined</a> Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Douglas (Mich.) Michigan, Lake Allegan County (Mich.) Beaches Sand dunes Outdoor recreation Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University Libraries. Allendale, Michigan Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Saugatuck-Douglas History Center Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Stories of Summer (Common Heritage project) Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg application/pdf Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Text Language A language of the resource English Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2018 Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context DC-07_SD-Tomahawk_19691205 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Saugatuck High School Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1969-12-05 Title A name given to the resource Tomahawk, Vol. 1 No. 6 Description An account of the resource Tomahawk was the student newspaper of Sagutuck High School. It contains editorials, stories, poems, and information about extracurricular clubs and events. Subject The topic of the resource Michigan Saugatuck (Mich.) Student newspapers and periodicals Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Digital file collected by the Kutsche Office of Local History from the Saugatuck Douglas History Center for the Stories of Summer project. Relation A related resource Stories of Summer (project) Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/page/InC/1.0/">In Copyright</a> Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Language A language of the resource eng Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Grand Valley State University. University Libraries. Lemmen Library and Archives