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                    <text>Grand Valley State University
Veterans History Project Interview
Don Bennett
Length: 1:22:46
(00:15) Background Information
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Don was born in the upper peninsula of Michigan on January 23, 1925
His father owned a silver fox ranch that he opened in 1924
The business did very well until the Depression in 1929
They lived in the area until Don was 11 years old and then they moved to Cheboygan,
Michigan
Don finished high school there and graduated in 1942
He began working in a paper mill that summer and then began attending Albion College
in the Fall

(10:00) Drafted
 Don received his draft notice in January of 1943, but was not very upset about leaving
college because he had been receiving bad grades
 Don was sent to Detroit in April of 1943 where he was inducted and given a choice of
joining the Navy or the Army
 Don chose the Navy and he was sent to Great Lakes Naval Academy in Chicago for boot
camp
 Once he arrived Don was assigned to a company and began setting up in his barracks
 He spent 8 weeks there exercising, marching, and working on KP
(16:00) Diesel School
 After boot camp Don went through an outgoing unit for another week at Great Lakes
 He was then sent to diesel school at Navy Pier in Chicago where it was very cold
working on the water
 They worked with different diesel engines, fuel pumps, ship engines, and engines of
landing craft
 While he was there a notice was issued in which they were looking for 50 men to
volunteer for submarine training
 About 500 men volunteered and Don was lucky enough to be chosen
(18:40)Submarine School
 Don took a train from Chicago to Connecticut and was assigned to a new Navy unit
 They first had to train under an officer named Spritz, whom they all hated
 Don worked on guard duty and other training for a few weeks while waiting to start
submarine school

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Before beginning the men had to take different physical tests and visit a psychologist
Once he began submarine school Don thought it was very interesting and he did very
well in all his classes
They were learning all the systems that worked together on the submarine; air system,
hydraulics, electric, tanks and compartments
The school was very intense and they went to class all day long for 16 weeks

(24:40) The Sunfish
 After submarine school Don went through submarine diesel school for another 8 weeks in
Connecticut
 Once he graduated he took a train to San Francisco, and was then sent to Hunter's Point
to work with a relief crew on submarines for a while
 They spent time refitting submarines once they were finished with a patrol, getting them
ready for the next patrol
 Don worked on 2 submarines before he was assigned to work on the Sunfish for its next
patrol
(28:45) First patrol
 In June of 1944 the submarine went to Pearl Harbor and then stopped at Midway to refuel
 They patrolled off some islands to the north of Japan, near a Japanese airbase and also
near the tip of the Russian [Kamchatka] peninsula
 They sunk many Japanese ships while in Russian waters and the Russians eventually got
to be annoyed and complained
 Don’s first patrol lasted a little less than 2 months; they would always have to be refitted
once they ran out of torpedoes and food
 They returned to Midway and rested there while the submarine was being refitted
 They had much time to rest, drink beer, go fishing and swimming
(43:55) Submarine Life
 There were many times where they caught in emergencies and had to sink to low depths
to try to hide
 Collectively through all the patrols they were attacked with about 1,000 depth charges
 Only about 75 of those depth charges were very scary
 They were even a target for planes along with other ships
 There were some very scary, silent moments while they were playing cat and mouse
 The good on the ship was great; they had a chef and baker
 Don went on 5 patrols altogether and sunk 42 ships
(53:55) Traveling

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Don went on 3 patrols in a row in the East China and Yellow Sea, and then around Korea
and then Shanghai
His final patrol was from Tokyo to Northern Japan
After Don’s fifth patrol he went back to California and then Michigan

(1:01:20) After Service
 Don got married on June 8, 1945 in Michigan and then had to go back to California for a
few months to finish his time in the Navy before he could be discharged
 They had to finish decommissioning the Sunfish in October before Don could be
discharged
 He had been supposed to be discharged a few months earlier, but had to add a few
months to his service
 Don really enjoyed his time on the Sunfish and got to know many friends in the crew
who he still sees at national conventions
 After he was discharged Don and his wife moved to Niles, Michigan
 He started a boat business with his brother, but it did not do well and after 2 years Don
decided to go back to Albion College to finish his degree

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Don Bennett
(01:14:08)
(00:31) Background
• (00:31) His full name is Don A. Bennett, he was born in Holburton, Michigan on
January 23rd, 1925. Holburton is in the Upper Peninsula.
• (01:05) He recalls a childhood trip out West, and vaguely remembers Old Faithful.
• (01:19) His father owned a silver fox ranch. His grandfather had owned a lumber
camp, and supervised four hundred lumberjacks.
• (01:41) The camp was about three miles away from town, and the business ended
in 1923 or 1924. His father started the ranch in 1924.
• (02:10) They stayed in Holburton for awhile. Everything was fine until 1929 when
the Great Depression started. He went to grade school in Holburton.
• (02:35) He remembers getting candy from John Hunter. John Hunter owned most
of the businesses in town, and helped pull loose teeth from children, and gave
them candy.
• (03:26) The school in Holburton only went as far as the eighth grade, which was
one reason why his mother wanted them to move. The winters were terribly cold,
and were made worse by the wind. They used a potbelly stove for heat; they
burned wood in the stove.
• (04:44) They were dirt poor in the Depression, and then they moved to Cheboygan.
When he was in the fifth grade. This was either 1935 or 1936. He finished high
school, and graduated in 1942 at the age of seventeen.
• (05:26) He played baseball and football in high school. He went to the prom. He
also was one of the stage managers for the senior play, which was an operetta and
had gypsies.
• (06:12) He heard about the Pearl Harbor attacks on the radio, and was not aware
where Pearl Harbor was at the time. Some of their friends had been in the Navy.
• (08:14) His date to the prom was Phyllis, whom he later married. She was a
freshman during his senior. He met her through the baseball team. That year the
freshman girls were prettier on average than the senior girls. Three or four of the
seniors had freshman dates. Phyllis would still be in high school while he was in
the Navy.
• (09:28) He went to work at a paper mill, and went to Albion College. He borrowed
the tuition money from a friend of the family. He made it through the first term,
and did not do very well.
• (10:22) He received birthday greetings from the president when he turned eighteen.
He knew he would be drafted soon. He decided to drop out.
• (11:35) In the frat houses, men would laugh when others were drafted.
(12:25) Drafted/Training
• (12:20) He was inducted in Detroit, and went through various kinds of tests. He
was given the choice between Army or Navy and chose the Navy.

�• (12:47) He went back home, and the next week reported to Great Lakes naval base.
He traveled by train. The train was a regular passenger train, but he was on troop
transports later on. He had not really traveled before, except for the trip out west
and to Detroit for baseball. He met some of the Detroit Tigers, and Jimmy
Bloodworth and Charlie Gehringer gave him tips on playing second base.
• (14:44) His first thought at Great Lakes was “what’s next?” He was issued
clothing, and stayed there for two or three days. Then he was sent to boot camp.
He was in a company of eighty to one hundred, and basic training lasted for eight
weeks.
• (15:50) They marched, and exercised. He was assigned to pool duty. Some of the
men had to learn how to swim, and he watched over them.
• (16:50) He was next sent to “outgoing unit” for one week, and then to diesel school
at Navy Pier. They had good weather at first, but it kept getting colder and the
proximity to the lake only made the weather worse.
• (17:37) At diesel school he learned how to operate a diesel engine. They mostly
learned how to use the engines on the landing craft, which was where he probably
would have been assigned if he had not been assigned to submarines.
• (18:11) He and three friends at the Navy Pier decided to apply for submarine duty.
Of the 1500 men at the base, 600 or so applied, and there were only fifty positions
open. He was somewhat reluctant to serve on a submarine, but he decided to join
his friends to stay with them. He was the only one who passed.
• (19:53) He was next sent to the East Coast, to New London, Connecticut. He went
into “Spritz’s Navy.” Spritz was a surly Navy Chief, and he ruled the school.
Everyone hated him because of his personality. The sub school was much easier
than Spritz’s Navy by contrast, which might have been the point.
• (21:43) He had to have multiple physicals, and was given a psychiatric exam as
standard procedure. The main reason for the exams was to make sure the men
had compatible personalities since they would be working in such close quarters.
• (23:00) He graduated from college after the war, on the GI Bill. Sub school was
difficult, and nothing in college was anywhere near as difficult. They had to learn
about all the systems on the ship—the error system, the water system, the
hydraulic and the electrical system. They had to learn all the components of the
tanks, and the functions of all the rooms.
• (24:32) Sub school was intense, and class went on all day. It lasted twelve or
sixteen weeks. Subs are called “boats” in the Navy, there is a logical reason, but
he does not recall it.
• (25:35) After graduated from sub school he went to diesel school, this time for
submarines specifically. Diesel school was easier since he had already had the
basics.
• (26:29) Next he was sent to the West Coast. He spent five days on the Challenger,
a troop train. They stopped to get meals at train stations from “Harvey Girls.”
Harvey Girls were women who sold food at stations. While on the rails, the
transports had to pull off to the side for freight trains, which had higher priority.
• (27:54) He next went to Mare Island, near San Francisco. He was sent to Hunter’s
Point and put into a relief crew. The relief crews prepared themselves for active
duty while the active crews patrolled. He worked on two submarines, the first

�was the Sunfish.
(29:45) First Submarine Patrol
• (29:45) After being assigned to the Sunfish, they went to Pearl Harbor in April of
1944. His first patrol began in June. They next went to Midway to re-fuel, and
were escorted out of the harbor and went to the Kurile Islands. The Kurile Islands
are a north of Japan, and stretch almost to the Aleutian Islands near Alaska.
• (31:40) They patrolled off of Parmaceru, a Japanese air base. They were near the
Russian peninsula of Kamchatka. It was a very cold, foggy area. They sank one
lone ship, and also saw the raft of men who had been on the boat. The men
claimed to be Russians, but they did not believe them and left them.
• (33:14) Russian ships were supposed to travel in a straight course with their lights
on. Japanese ships travelled with their lights off, and took evasive zigzag courses.
The ship they had sunk had had the lights off, and was travelling in a zigzag
pattern.
• (34:02) Japan and Russia traded sometimes. Later, when the sub had come across
the ships, they sent them a message: “IFF” which meant “Identify: Friend or Foe.”
One ship identified as Russian, and one as Japanese. They fired on the Japanese
ship, which took three torpedoes despite not being a warship. The ship sank in
shallow water, and the mast was still above the surface.
• (35:46) Later, there was a question of whether or not the ship had been in Russian
waters or international waters. Nothing came of it, although the skipper had had
to go to Pearl Harbor to discuss the matter. The Russians complained that the
ship had been sunk in their territorial waters.
• (36:31) They sunk three ships during that war patrol, and they also had a surface
battle. During the surface battle, they used their guns instead of the torpedoes.
They had a 4.0 inch gun, two 20mm guns, and a .50 caliber machine gun. The
guns were kept inside the sub and attached to the railing when needed. Each gun
had two men.
• (37:44) The 20mm’s were near the tower, and the 4.0 inch gun was near the engine
room. The cigarette deck was a portion of the tower deck that the men would go
out on to smoke and have fresh air when they had permission.
• (38:44) The first patrol was from July to August, and ended early because they ran
out of torpedoes. They were often busy, but they did sometimes have quiet days.
The patrols never lasted the full sixty days, which was the limit because of food
and fuel limits.
(40:19) Surface Battle/Rest periods
• (40:19) Radar was key during the surface battle. They found fourteen or so enemy
ships on their radar. They used their guns during the battle and sank all the
enemy ships. The battle lasted about an hour or an hour and a half. During the
battle, their periscope was shot, and their radio antenna was damaged.
• (41:28) The small guns inflicted more damage on the enemy than the larger guns.
The enemy ships were thirteen sampans (supply ships), and one trawler which had
guns.
• (42:30) They went to Midway after the surface battle. They went to a rest camp for
a while. There wasn’t much to do, so they mostly watched “gooney birds”---

�albatrosses. The birds were clumsy fliers and were amusing to watch. They had a
beer ration, and went swimming and fishing as well.
• (43:45) They had a two-week break after each patrol. Ideally, after each patrol
about one fourth of the men was transferred to another submarine, so that the
entire crew was replaced every four patrols. However, some men were
transferred out after one patrol, and one man stayed on for nine patrols.
(44:56) Submarine Life
• (44:56) They had to hide along the bottom of the ocean several times. They took
about one thousand depth charges, of which seventy-five were particularly scary.
They had a “lot of scary moments.” They also had to dodge kamikaze planes
eight to ten times.
• (46:27) Radar helped them avoid planes. They would wait until the last moment to
dive, and would be fully submerged to avoid damage.
• (47:24) They sometimes would go onto “silent running” and would put as many
systems as possible on hold. They would also slow the screw to about forty rpms,
and would speak very softly. Noise travels easily underwater, so they had to be
very quiet to avoid detection.
• (48:32) They usually operated in deep water, but sometimes they had to operate in
shallow water. Shallow water was problematic because then the enemy could use
depth charges more strategically—ordinarily they had to know where the sub was
and at what depth. Shallow water eliminated one of the usual variables.
• (49:28) The worst time was when they were being trailed by two ships. They had
to go down to four hundred feet. They could hear the ships above them. A line of
seven depth charges was dropped along them, and it created leaks in the torpedo
room. The torpedo room was doubly sealed.
• (50:51) The superstructure was damaged as well. The ship was put on “silent
running.”
• (51:34) The rough times usually did not last very long.
• (52:09) Sinking a ship was always a joyous occasion, initially. It became very
somber when they could hear the ships sinking and buckling, they knew that men
were dying. It was a hard sound to listen to.
• (53:02) During the war “no quarter” was given. He went on five patrols, four of
which were successful.
• (53:41) His battleflag shows forty-two enemy ships sunk. They were initially
credited with sixteen based on Japanese records. Later, the practice of using
Japanese records was abandoned because they were shown to be unreliable.
• (55:00) The submarines operated more or less independently from the rest of the
war effort.
• (55:14) Their first mission was in the Kurile Islands. The next three were in the
East China and Yellow Seas, near Korea and Shanghai. The fifth patrol was north
of Tokyo, near Hokkaido.
• (56:11) He was most afraid when they had to dive very deep. They went down to
around four hundred and fifty feet, and they were pinned down by depth charges.
The screws were slowed, and the slow speed made time drag by.
• (57:38) They began to sink because of their slow speed. They could not keep afloat

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at that speed. This was during their first or second patrol, he was an oiler.
(58:20) He was sent to the lowest portion of the sub to check on the systems since
water was coming in at a high speed. It was coming in so fast it could have cut
his hands. The sub was at five hundred and fifty feet, but he was at about five
hundred and eighty five. He could see the hull breathe from the pressure. He
nearly gave up when he saw that. Eventually they escaped, and he was never sure
how. He was frightened of the water pressure crushing them. He was nineteen at
the time.
(01:01:05) The Sunfish’s only major damage was to the periscope and radio tower.
The other damage was due to the pressure, and was part of normal submarine
wear and tear. Maintenance was performed at the end of the each patrol. Subs
had soft plates to protect them. They had a thin outer hull, and a thicker inner
hull.
(1:02:19) He married on June 8th, 1945,while on leave. His wife came back by
train to the base in California with him. She had written him many letters during
the war.
(01:03:25) The food on the sub was better than normal Navy fare, at least during
the beginning of patrol. The fresher food was used up quickly, and after being
refrigerated long enough the eggs would taste funny.
(01:04:00 They had a baker, a cook, and some mess cooks. The officers ate the
same food as the enlisted men.
(01:04:26) The men served in three shifts, four hours on, eight hours off. The men
were served meals according to their shifts. Battle stations or training would
frequently interfere with the schedules however. When off shift, they read to pass
the time since they didn’t have much else to due.
(01:06:06) He mostly enjoyed his time on the submarine. The men were a close
knit group, and he still maintains contact with some of them.
(01:06:46) One of his friends recently passed away.
(01:07:20) They had a crew maximum of eighty-five, but they usually had around
seventy-eight. Later on, they had more crewmen because more equipment was
added to the sub.
(01:08:11) He and his wife went home after the war. He landed in Hunter’s Point
in early September and they began decommissioning the sub sometime in October
or November.
(01:09:12) He was scheduled to get out early, but they needed more men to keep
mothballing the sub. He was asked to stay on as a courtesy, but was made aware
that he could be ordered to do so. Married men who had their wives were asked
more often since the other men wanted to go home and the married men, had
some portion of their normal life near them already.
(01:10:10) He was promised that he would get home by Christmas, and he was
discharged on 12/18/1945, and he managed to get home by Christmas. Phyllis
was pregnant with their first child.

(01:11:53) Post-War
• (01:11:53) He was discharged in California. He did not join the reserves. He
came back to Niles, to his mother and step-father’s house. He got a job working

�with his step-father.
• (01:12:37) He and his brother borrowed money from a woman named Hazel to start
a boating business on Crystal Lake. Hazel had also lent Don the money for
college. He made good on both loans. Eventually he decided to get out of the
boating business, and he went back to college and graduated. His brother
continued working in the boating industry

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Veteran’s History Project Interview
Vietnam War
George Calvin Bekkering
Length of Interview (00:44:33)
Military Background (00:00:23)
Was a part of the Army and served in the Vietnam War: 1967-1968
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Arrived as an E-3, Private 1st Class, and came back as a Sergeant, E-5

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Base camp was in Chu Lai, South of Danang

Background (00:01:03)
Born in Byron Center, MI in 1947
At the age of 4, moved to Howard City, Michigan; lived there for ten years
Service (00:01:20)
Was drafted into the army after graduating from high school; October 1966
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Bekkering was living with his parents in Portland, Michigan, at that time

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Worked for a construction company laying cement block prior to being drafted

His first days in the service were a “learning experience”
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Had to get physically fit and learn to take orders (in order to learn to trust in each other)

•

Trained to be a ground soldier, 11B Bravo was his MOS (a job classification) which
meant light infantry (00:02:30)

Vietnam (00:03:20)
Vietnam’s climate was quite tropical, but in the mountains it was cooler (similar to Michigan).
In the river valleys, there was more jungle (called triple canopy)
•

Had banana trees, pineapple groves, rubber trees, and a lot of rice paddies

•

At one point, a monsoon came through with temperatures near 40 degrees Fahrenheit,
and no support could come through due to dense fog

�Interacted with citizen very little (00:04:40)
•

Had a division camp in Chu Lai and traveled via helicopter to places called LZ’s (landing
zones) where they would set up perimeters and build bunkers

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There they would perform 1-3 day operations

Combat (00:05:30)
Since Vietnam was a police action, soldiers could not fire, “aggress”, unless they were fired
upon first (00:06:27)
January 17, 1968 received a Bronze Star with a “V” device for valor (00:06:50)
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Was carrying a machine gun at the time

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Ordered to run across a field to set-up the machine gun (Bekkering elaborates on this
story later - look to section Bronze Star)

At one point Bekkering and four men were cut off and ambushed (00:07:46)
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Four civilian women, who were scared of the impending attack, walked with them

•

When the firefight began, someone ordered to shoot the women because they were in
the way

•

It was not heeded, so Bekkering’s group were caught between two rice paddies

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The women were lined up in front of them to prevent the Vietcong from shooting

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As the Vietcong shot the ground in front of the women, Bekkering’s group kept
shouting for them to stop until a jet dropped napalm on the aggressors

50% of Bekkering’s unit, during the war, were either wounded or died during battle
(00:09:27)
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Bekkering knew one man who, after being drafted into the Army, gained 3 Purple
Hearts and had the choice of leaving the war. He stayed until gaining his 4th Purple
Heart which he gained after being shot through the knee

Bronze Star (00:10:40)
Jan. 17, 1968, was in a Free Fire Zone
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United State Army dropped leaflets to Vietnamese civilians telling them to vacate the
area

�In a “Ranger” type of operation, Bekkering and his unit were ordered to surround a village
and go in to search it
When his group was just going around the stone fences that surrounded a long open field, fire
broke loose; ambushed from the right side
The Lieutenant was in the middle of the field and was the main focus of the fire
•

The RTO (Radio Transmission Operator) and the men before and after him were also
the main focus; life expectancy is considered to be 11 seconds for them in a firefight

Lieutenant yelled for the machine gun, so Bekkering and his assistant machine gunner ran
across the field while under fire
After setting-up, he shot off many bursts effectively ending the firefight
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Bekkering suspects the Vietcong backed off because they were low on ammunition;
but he likes to think it was because of the machine gun

Down Time (00:15:30)
Communication
Stayed in touch with family strictly through letters
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No phones- could only be used in emergencies at home (U.S.). Could only use a
telephone at the base in Chu Lai

Food and Supplies
Ate C-rations, similar to WWII
•

Always contained 4 cigarettes, book of matches, napkin, toilet paper, and a piece of
candy (called Tropical Chocolate)

Resupplied from behind, luckily there was no snow so resupplying wasn’t obstructed
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Usually a lot of rice for meals. Milk came from Subic Bay, Philippines

Had plenty of ammunition, good air support
•

Sometimes helicopters couldn’t land because of “Hot LZ’s”, which meant the
surrounding Vietcong were too heavily armed

Infantry were sometimes used to draw fire in which the Air Force was called in
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If it was bad enough, a battleship, called Kennedy, would use its 16in. guns and shoot

�•

The guns shot 2000lbs, one ton, bullets (Bekkering compares them to a Volkswagen);
accurate up to 20 miles

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Jets would also come in and drop 500lb bombs and a lot of napalm

Entertainment (00:20:15)
When there was time, they would play P-knuckle in base camp
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Bekkering would stand guard on his machine gun while the others did this

•

There were four men on machine gun and one always had to be on guard through the
night

•

If there was a chance of being attacked, everyone had to keep watch all night

•

Would get mortared and have “sappers” try to sneak in often; “sappers” tried
sneaking in by coiling the wires that surrounded the camp
“Humor” (00:21:58)
Bekkering finds that what was humorous during the war, is only morbid now
You get “slanted” or ineffectual
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to shoot off a grenade straight up in the air while they were sitting; and they
all laughed about it even though it was a dangerous situation

Vietnam (00:23:23)
Only interacted with civilians when they were being sold stuff
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Vietnamese called G.I’s “bu co” which means “a lot”

Bekkering never saw the bullets he shot actually hit someone, being a machine gunner probably
made this happen
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He is thankful for this because he does not feel the pain it would cause if he had

The soldiers needed to trust each other, so his unit was really close during the war (00:25:14)
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He compares friendships made in WWII and Korea vs. Vietnam

•

Is not friends with the men he went to war with now but has attended two reunions

�Bekkering felt that the war didn’t feel like a war when he was there, was more like a police
action; a “political war” (00:27:51)
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Soldiers were told not to carry any rounds in their weapons unless they were shot at; this
was very demoralizing

•

Few abided this rule; Lieutenant would try to enforce the SOP (Standard Operating
Procedures): No rounds in the chamber

•

Medics and Machine Gunners had an 11 second life expectancy

Leaving Vietnam (00:29:44)
The night before leaving, his camp was attacked, and a mortar went off right next to his bunker
(the Lieutenant and RTO were also leaving the next day)
The Lieutenant called in a helicopter to transport the wounded in the middle of the night, which
he directed into landing safely
•

Bekkering had never witnessed anything like that ever before; he was truly afraid that he
was going to die that night, but what his Lieutenant had done amazed him

The next day, at 10 AM, a helicopter took him back to Chu Lai; boarded a Fixed Wing Aircraft
and flew to Saigon, then flew commercial flights back to the U.S. (00:32:40)
Final discharge at an Army Base in the state of Washington
After the War (00:34:36)
Got a job as a Consumers Power Company two week after coming home
Arrived home October 5, 1968
Was greatly influenced in his thinking of war and the military when in Vietnam (00:36:37)
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Is not against war

Bekkering displays the medals he earned during his time in the Army (00:40:00)
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Bronze Star with “V” device, Distinguished Service Medal, Americal Division 198th
Infantry Brigade (his division)

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Veterans History Project Interview
World War II
Richard Beimers

Total Time – (58:55)
Background
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His dad worked on the railroad for many years (02:41)
His grandfather gave his father ten acres of property to farm on
His family paid taxes on the land of $8.88 a year (06:59)
He had two brothers and a sister
o He was the oldest child
He was born in 1920 (07:45)
His family did not have money but they were not poor – everyone was in the same
position
If he wanted meat to eat, they would go fishing or hunting (08:46)
o Squirrel, raccoon, woodchuck, etc.
He went to McBride School in Lowell, Michigan (09:12)
o He went there through the eighth grade
o He had to walk to school (09:27)
o It was a one room schoolhouse
§ There were only eleven kids through eight grades
o He was paid fifty cents to go to school early and start a fire so that it
would be warm when others go there
He had surgery on his eye in Grand Rapids, Michigan when he was in elementary
school (11:40)
He went to Lowell High School (13:10)
He was not affected by the news of the war

Enlistment/Training/MPEG Duty – (15:32)
· He then got his draft notice (15:35)
o He felt cocky because the State Police had not wanted him because of his
bad eye
· He was sent to Fort Custer in Battle Creek, Michigan (16:03)
o They traveled there by train or bus
o At Fort Custer, he had to do an eye check – he told them he could not see
a thing (16:20)

�o After some time, he was told that he was taken into the non-combatant
service (17:49)
· After Fort Custer, he was transferred to Fort McCoy in Wisconsin (18:26)
o He was put in an MPEG (Military Police Escort Guard) (18:35)
o In Wisconsin there was a German aliens camp for those that had not been
legalized
§ The soldiers had to guard the Germans twenty-four hours a day
(19:11)
o He spent nearly three months there in Fall of 1942
· Before he had been sent to be an MPEG, he had been in basic training (19:51)
o Basic training was full of marching, courtesy of officers, military
information
o There was marksmanship training as well
o All of the soldiers in basic training were limited service people (20:20)
Active Duty – (22:02)
· After he served as an MPEG, he was transferred to Station Hospital at Fort
McCoy (22:05)
o He was put on ward duty
§ There were roughly sixty wards
o He was in the contagious ward (22:39)
§ There was a disease called sleeping sickness that was going around
o After he served in the contagious ward, he then served in a women’s ward
§ He was in the women’s ward for nearly a year and a half (24:22)
· The war was beginning to heat up in Europe and Japan at this time (24:31)
· After the women’s ward, he was transferred to another outfit called 156 General
Hospital (25:28)
· He left from that outfit to Fort Dix in New Jersey (26:05)
o They stayed there for around a week until they received new uniforms
o From Fort Dix, they were sent to New York where they got on the Queen
Lizzy [Queen Elizabeth] (26:44)
§ There were 17,000 men on the boat
§ They were headed to Europe
§ The trip took just under five days
§ They arrived in Liverpool, England (27:37)
· From Liverpool they took a train to Hereford, England (27:44)
· They were supposed to set up a hospital in France
· Instead, they were set up in a British hospital (28:09)
o He was in Hereford for a year
· He never saw any air raids, but he did see bombers flying over
· They received two trains of patients every week (31:25)
o Not all of them were in bad shape

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o Soldiers were either sent back to the battlefields or to ZI (Zone Interior)
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§ Zone Interior soldiers were sent back to the United States
The hospital in England only lost seven patients the whole year he was there
(33:06)
When the soldiers would go out into the cities, it became apparent what civilians
wanted to talk to the American soldiers and what ones did not
He was overcharged for a beer the first time he went into an English bar
o The English did not like the American soldiers because they were gluttons
in the bars where beer was basically rationed (36:12)
On a five day vacation in London, England, he could hear the Buzz Bombs flying
over (37:22)
o One of the Buzz Bombs fell three blocks away
After the Germans had surrendered he was waiting to get sent back to the United
States (38:32)
He went five weeks without a bath, shower, or a shave (38:45)
o All of their stuff had been sent elsewhere and they were just waiting for
transportation
Most of the wounds he saw at the hospital were in the buttocks (40:06)
o It is the highest point that sticks up when a soldier is laying on the ground
The worst thing he saw was an 18 year old who put his helmet over top of a
grenade
o The grenade took both of his arms off at the elbows (41:14)
Once he left England, he was sent to Fort Dix before he was sent to Fort Crowder
in Missouri (42:01)
o They were sent there to prepare for being shipped to the South Pacific
He was at Fort Crowder when the atomic bombs were dropped in Japan (42:31)
o They were there for roughly five weeks doing nothing
From Fort Crowder, he was sent to Camp Atterbury in Indiana (43:15)

After the Service – (43:18)
· He was discharged from Camp Atterbury
· He received the Good Conduct Medal (43:54)
· He also received the American Theater Ribbon, European Theater Ribbon, and a
Victory Medal
· His discharge was officially on November 17, 1945 (45:34)
· He was married just before he left for Europe
· His wife went to a beautician school to be a hair dresser
· His first son was born two months after he left for overseas (47:03)
· When he came home, he returned to Lowell, Michigan and then lived in Grand
Rapids, Michigan for some time (47:15)
· When he came out of the service he worked for a manufacturing company

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o He threaded tubes
After he left his job at the manufacturing company, he worked at a spring and
wire company in Grand Rapids, Michigan (49:49)
He then went to work with a friend that offered him a job at a service gas station
o It was his friends own business
o His friend offered him the business in 1957 (51:35)
His gas station provided the first car wash in Lowell
After he left his station, he went to work for a delivery company (55:25)
He eventually had his bad eye removed (56:35)

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Veterans History Project Interview
Louis Begin
(00:45:06)
(00:05) Introduction
(00:10) Childhood and Family
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Born December 18, 1921 in Springdale, PA—15 miles east of Pittsburgh
Was 5 ½ years old when his family moved to Detroit
Spoke only Hungarian until the first grade when he learned English
Father spoke no English and mother spoke just a little. Parents emigrated from
Hungary to Pennsylvania where they met and got married.
Parents emigrated in 1919
Father was a core maker in a glass factory in Pennsylvania, and then worked in a
Steel Mill in Detroit as a core maker, and then did menial jobs after the mill
closed
Went to Southwestern High School
Was an only child

(8:10) Early Adulthood
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Found out about Pearl Harbor, when he was playing card with his buddies (8:10)
Played the Trombone in high school, and went into the Naval Reserve Marching
Band in Detroit before the war.
Tried to enlist in the Navy, but was sent to the Coast Guard recruiting station
instead.
Enlisted in the Coast Guard (11:30)

(11:30) Service
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Ended up on a small escort vessel. Had a crew of ten men. Helped put convoys
together in the Delaware Bay. The Convoys would then proceed on to their
destination. (11:40)
Would sail as far as Nova Scotia escorting ships
Did this task for 2 years
Entered the service March 2, 1942 (13:38)
Went to boot camp at Camp May, New Jersey. (14:10)
Worked out of Cape May Air Station, and there were blimps stationed there.
Took basic training at Coast Guard Training Station in Baltimore, MD. Was at
training for several months. (14:50)
Never sank or saw a submarine. Their sole job was escort.

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Had some problems, had to get decommissioned at Philadelphia, which was up
the Delaware River. They had him working at a shop in Philadelphia working on
engines, due to his background in mechanic work. (17:15)
Was then assigned to a Captain’s boat, which was a 6 man vessel. His job was to
move the Captain around from place to place when it was called for. (18:45)
Was then moved to Flint, MI to go the General Motors Institute of Technology to
learn diesel engines. (21:00)
He also got married while he was in the service, in February of 1943.
His wife then moved to the base with him in a two bedroom apartment.
He was then transferred to an assault transport in New York. On his way, his train
from Detroit was passing through Canada, when the train stopped, and the people
outside the train were waving newspapers that said that the Japanese had
surrendered. However, the train continued on to New York. In New York, he was
told that he had enough points to be discharged, so he was then shipped to a Naval
Armory where he was officially discharged. (23:41)

(27:00) Post-War
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After discharge, went home and went to work at Consolidated Gas Company as a
pipe fitter. (27:00)
During the war, had a baby girl and a baby boy.
Has 5 Grandchildren and 7 Great Grandchildren
Daughter works at an adoption agency, and son worked at Bell Telephone. Son
was paralyzed in a car accident in 1988, and is confined to a wheelchair.
He worked as a Detroit Police Officer for 25 years, retired from the force in 1971.
(33:40)
He worked at the Gas Company for a short time, and went for the police exam. He
passed the exam and began his job in inner city Detroit for 17 years. He
eventually attained the rank of sergeant. He also worked for 6 years as a firearms
instructor at the police academy. He also worked educating many different
firearms laws.
Lived on west side of Detroit in retirement. Eventually settled in Gaylord, MI.
Worked as a real estate associate for a few years.
Wife worked as a nurse.
Became a Mason in 1950 and a Shriner later.

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Bob Becker
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Background Information (00:14)
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Born in Illinois in 1944. He had 4 bothers (00:15)
His father was a plant manager. His plant built tanks during World War II and for this reason he
was never drafted. (00:25)
Bob graduated high school and then attended North Central College in Illinois. (00:50)
Bob played softball often in his teenage years. (1:26)
Bob was recruited by the Air Force. He was influenced to make this decision by a softball
umpire. (1:45)

Overview of Service (2:00)
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Bob went to Lackland Air Force Base for his training. (2:00)
He played on the Air Force softball team while serving. (2:45)
Most competitors were civilian teams. (3:14)
Bob was 22 when he entered the military in 1966. (3:40)
He did manage to serve on the base newspaper after mentioning that he wanted to continue
with journalism. (4:25)
When Bob attended the Air Force Academy after basic training he worked on the newspaper
there in the Sports information department. He attended all the football games for this job.
(5:00)
Bob was close with his training instructor as he played alongside him in softball. (5:37)

Basic Training (6:34)
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Bob was older than most of the other men he served alongside. He did adjust to basic better
than most of the other men, primarily do to the connections that he had on the softball team.
(7:00)
Training was disciplined and structured but not too intense. Often the man had some times at
the end of each day that was free. This was used mostly for general socializing and to complete
tasks like shining shoes. (8:27)
The recruits often had to perform task like cut grass. (9:00)
Often times the men would be ask if they played any spots when they arrived on base. If they
did they would often be placed on a base team at Lackland. (10:00)
For transportation the softball team had its own plane. The men traveled and competed in
tournaments in an attempt to build good will with the general public. (11:49)
As a result of Bob’s impressive softball performance he was picked by the Air Force Academy
with 6 other recruits to play for their team. (12:51)
Training lasted 12 weeks. (13:57)

Service at the Air Force Academy (14:10)

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Bob was reassigned to the base newspaper at the Academy. (14:18)
Bob was very aware of all the things that were happening in the country around 1968.(16:31)
The general feeling among soldiers that Bob knew was that if they were going to be involved in
Vietnam they wanted to “fight it”, not go there and have their hands tied by restrictions. (17:20)
While traveling around with the softball team, they rarely ran into protesters. (19:20)
Bob does believe that the attempt for the military to build good will with the people through the
softball team was successful. (20:23)
The team had 4 African Americans and 1 Hispanic player. (22:02)
Bob was very impressed with the young men that he served with in the Air Force. (23:23)
While traveling with the softball team the men stayed at an Army post and where harassed a
little bit by soldiers. (25:00)
Bob spent more time around high ranking officers than he did around cadets like himself.
(26:28)
He recalls that one of the cadets at the Air Force Academy the cadets managed to take an
officer’s desk and set it up on a hill outside as a prank. (28:10)

Work on the Base Newspaper (29:00)
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Bob had to cover the Olympic team that trained on the base. (29:10)
He considered working in public relations and serving in Vietnam. (30:49)

Life after Service (31:20)
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After returning from service Bob began working at the Beacon News in Illinois and played for a
softball team. (31:20)
Bob began working in Grand Rapids, Michigan, in 1977. (31:49)
Once he was done working for the news paper he went to join the Honor Guard. (32:00)
He was Sergeant in Arms for the United States Veterans Council. (33:19)
Bob set up a mail call program where men received letters form civilians and school children
thanking veterans for their service. (35:00)
He found that the efforts that Bob took to recruit men into veterans programs often encouraged
others to talk about their service. (37:33)
He organized an honor flight to bring World War II veterans to Washington to see the memorial
there.
He recalls while visiting Baltimore, there were 150 people to greet the veterans and a military
unit that stood at attention. (40:00)
The men also had the chance to meet Senator Bob Dole. (41:40)
Bob tried but was unsuccessful with getting a corporate sponsor. (44:35)
He thinks that time has changed. He sees civilians and families of veterans often who fail to
dress up for services and do not have the respect of standing for taps. This may be due to
ignorance of military procedures. (45:45)

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(00:30) Born on May 8th, 1979 in LansingMichigan

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(00:56) Was an athlete in high school

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(1:08) Graduated from Western Michigan University
o Joined military afterwards to pay for student loans and save money for graduate
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(1:25) Mr. Beard’s father served in the National Guard, also had some uncles who
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(2:00) Before that, joining the army was never something he thought about

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(2:25) He was stationed in New York, there was lots of training in the woods
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(3:00) Also did training in Ft. PolkLouisiana

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(3:19) Mr. Beard’s job was Forward Artillery Observer
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(3:44) Says that basic training did a great job at getting people in shape
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(4:15) Served at Ft. DrumNew York
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(4:30) It was 2003 when Mr. Beard went to Afghanistan

�o At first, it was “seek and destroy,”
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(5:13) Went on 1-3 patrols a day
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(6:03) It was difficult to communicate with family back home when overseas
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Companies, random people and families

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They couldn’t use all of it, so they gave it to local people

(7:15) Had 4 days of R&amp;R
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(8:30) Became close with the men he served with
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(9:09) Remembers getting chased by a herd of camels when they were in a valley

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(10:30) Met Lara Logan and Geraldo Rivera
o When they were taking them somewhere, they hit a land mine
o The 2nd vehicle in line hit it, but it was a smaller rocket

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Tore off a wheel, tipped on the side but everyone was okay

(12:27) Says an area he was in was governed by tribal people; warlords, etc.
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o They were in one of their houses one morning, they seemed to be building a
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o Came back at dusk and the people who they had tea with in the morning
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(13:26) Went back to the base on New Year’s Eve
o They went back and arrested every male in the village

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(13:45) Says he didn’t care about medals, etc., was in the military for three years
o The one he did keep was from Colonel Garrett, given by a team leader in the
army
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one of the guys in his unit

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(14:59) It was easy to readjust to civilian life in some ways, but in others, it wasn’t
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o Had a bit of shell shock
o Felt weird not to be carrying a gun all the time
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(16:00) Currently works for GE, who is a company that supports veterans
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Robert Bostwick
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Pre War
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William Bos
Length: 49:11
(00:15) Background Information
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Bill was born in Cascade, Michigan on December 18, 1922 and went to school there
through 8th grade
His father was a farmer and Bill had 13 siblings
His father got sick when Bill was a teenager and he had to quit going to school to help
work on the farm
Bill received deferment from service in WWII because he was a farmer, but all his
friends were being drafted and he was feeling left out
He enlisted in the Navy after his two best friends enlisted in 1944

(4:25) Training
 In June of 1944 Bill was sent to Great Lakes Naval Academy in Chicago, Illinois for boot
camp
 Bill did not find training to be very hard because of his experience on the farm
 He did not really get homesick and got along well through the hard physical work
(7:05) New Hebrides
 After training Bill was sent to New York where the men boarded a troop ship and a huge
crowd of citizens saw them off
 They first went through the Panama Canal and then headed towards the New Hebrides
 The ship was ran by the English and the trip lasted 44 days; they ran out of food for the
troops and only had bread and water for the last 12 days
 There were about 3,000 men on the ship and at one point they all had dysentery
 Bill began working for a Marine base in New Hebrides
 He was working on the base for 3 weeks before he was called up by an officer to inquire
about farming techniques on the island
 Bill then had a new job working in the gardens on the island and helping the horses get
exercise
(14:05) Traveling in Convoy
 Bill was assigned to a new ship working with a gun crew to escort other ships and look
for enemy submarines
 They never ran into any Japanese submarines and first traveled to Guadalcanal where
they patrolled for 3 months

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In January of 1945 Bill traveled to the Philippines for the Philippine Liberation and they
continued patrolling along other islands in the Pacific
They continued patrolling and gathering supplies and then headed to Okinawa where they
worked on shooting down enemy planes for 3 months
There were many kamikaze attacks in the area and many close calls that were very scary
Bill worked traveling in convoys usually with hundreds of other ships
He had R &amp; R in New Caledonia and it was excited to get some decent food

(26:00) Ship Life
 No one over 35 years of age was allowed to work on the ship because it was felt they
could not handle the hard work
 Some men were on the same ship for 18 months before they were allowed to have a break
 While traveling through the Pacific Bill was caught in 3 different typhoons; those were
the only times that he was really scared and truly thought he was going to die
 They ate tons of spaghetti, played cards, and sometimes were able to watch movies
 They did not often have free time and there was always something going on in the ship to
keep them busy
 Sometimes when they stopped on various islands they had time to play sports and go
swimming
 All the men got along well and Bill made a few good friends that he still keeps in touch
with
(38:45) End of Service
 While traveling through the Pacific Bill never really received any news regarding the
progress of the war
 He was in Guam when he did finally hear the news of the end of the war and later that
night there were many fireworks
 Bill was discharged in April of 1946

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(00:10) Background Information
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Joseph was a sergeant in the United States Army during World War Two
After high school he had been working in a bakery before he was drafted into the Army
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Joseph did not like fighting in Europe and felt that no human being should go through
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There were bodies everywhere and it took a lot of willpower to not go crazy
Joseph spent about 6 months fighting in Europe

(4:10) Military Life
 Joseph was in charge of two machine gun crews and they both showed him a lot of
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 He did not have much time to write letters and would have liked to receive more mail
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 It took Joseph 10 years to adjust and get back to normal
 He feels terrible for all the men that died in Europe that were not allowed to return home

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Veterans History Project Interview
World War II
Eugene Borek

Total Time – (01:26:41)

Background
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He was born in Grand Rapids, Michigan on January 27, 1925 (00:27)
His parents were Polish immigrants
His father was a farmer until they lost their farms in the Great Depression (00:51)
o His father ended up as a carpenter – he worked in the furniture factory
o His mother would clean offices (01:14)
 There were five children in the family that she had to work to help
support (01:19)
He attended a parochial school – St. Adalbert until the ninth grade (01:28)
o After St. Adalbert, he went to Davis Tech. (01:48)
At Davis Tech. he studied machine shop

Recruitment/Training – (02:00)
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When he was in the eleventh grade, he was walking home and stopped in a
recruiting station (02:15)
o The recruiter asked him how old he was. When he said he had just turned
18, the recruiter showed him where to sign
He signed with the recruiter in 1943 (02:47)
He remembers hearing of Pearl Harbor when he was roller skating at the park
(02:59)
Before Pearl Harbor, he knew of the war in Europe because of his family that
lived in Poland (03:45)
o The Germans attacked his family – his cousin was captured in Warsaw,
Poland
 He was a POW for seven years (04:02)
o He felt a familial responsibility to do something in the war effort
o At one point he told his mother that he was going to join the Polish Army
(04:13)
 His mother told him, “No” (04:25)
After he processed in Battle Creek, Michigan, he was sent by train to Camp
Grant, Illinois for Basic Training (04:47)

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From Camp Grant, he was sent to the 78th Division at Camp Butner, North
Carolina (05:15)
o He spent roughly one year at Camp Butner
Camp Butner was a tobacco plantation at one time (05:43)
o It was a nice camp and a good division
There were southern Sergeants and the new recruits were all Yankees (06:06)
o The soldiers were given “certain chores”
Training was very interesting and he enjoyed what he was doing (07:05)
He was in Company Headquarters for some time – when he was with them they
were in maneuvers in the Smoky Mountains
He learned how to take care of himself in training (08:32)
He knew after training that he was going to be in the mortar division
Part of his training was learning how to run with the supplies, living in the
mountains, etc. (09:16)
o He believed that he was supposed to be going to the Pacific
 He heard that MacArthur did not like the 5th Army – that was why
they did not go to the Pacific (09:30)
When he went on furlough and came back, he found out that he was in another
division headed to Europe (10:04)
During Basic Training he was able to go Durham, North Carolina and other areas
where larger universities were (10:50)
When he was at Camp Butner, he learned how to dig a lot of holes (12:00)
o They thought it was pointless, but when they got to Europe they realized
how important they were
When he joined the 83rd Division, he was just another soldier in the E Company in
Mortar Section (12:32)
o The 83rd Division was short people when they got to Fort Pickett, Virginia
(12:52)
 The 78th had to be broken up
He was happy going to Europe instead of the Pacific

Active Duty – Part I – Carentan &amp; Hedgerows – (13:17)
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The trip to Europe was on a cruise ship (13:22)
o He had to sleep in a hammock that was hung in the dining room (13:43)
o The trip took 17 days
o They were in a 100 ship convoy (14:03)
o The trip was in April of 1944
o The weather was rough the entire time (14:42)
o The food on the ship was terrible (15:15)
o He preferred to spend his time up on the deck (15:40)
When he got to Europe, he landed in Liverpool, England (15:51)
o It was completely dark in Liverpool when they arrived
o They were fed when they first arrived

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From Liverpool he was sent to Wrexham, Wales (16:57)
o General Patton was in Wrexham, Wales with the 3rd Army (17:05)
The soldiers did not dare walking out of their tents without having their gear on
Close to the invasion of Normandy, France, he was reassigned to the 1st Army
with General Omar Bradley (17:42)
o He remembers watching the airplanes flying overhead just before the
invasion
He was then sent on a train from Wrexham, Wales to Portsmouth, England
(18:20)
o They traveled on a boat that held the entire Company
o On their route to the mainland, they had to turn around and go back
because of weather
o They then boarded LCI (Landing Craft Infantry) (19:12)
They landed at Omaha Beach in Normandy, France (20:04)
o They landed in the latter part of June, 1944
The job of his division was to fight there way through to Carentan, France (21:02)
o Carentan had already been taken by the American forces
He spent some time in Carentan (21:49)
There were a lot of paratroopers that were scattered around because they had been
dropped in the wrong places
He can remember one spot where they were cleaning out houses – two men would
go in to clear a house – one would go upstairs and the other would go downstairs
(22:52)
o He would often go downstairs where there was no light (22:58)
 He would have to go and feel around
 It was scary, but it had to be done (23:38)
They would sometimes wonder why they were sticking around in that area
(25:31)
o He was not simply clearing out rear areas, but they are also trying to move
forward
The hedgerows were terrible because soldiers never knew what to expect (25:56)
o At one time, after they had just gotten new recruits, a new guy threw a
hand grenade over the hedgerow – the grenade came flying back at them
 They all hit the ground – the Sergeant told the new recruit to hold
the grenade for three seconds after pulling the pin, then throw it
(26:21)
o The hedgerows were typically chest high
 They varied based on the farmer (27:04)
o The Americans lost more people in the hedgerow fighting than anywhere
else (27:45)
The Germans defended the hedgerows by using rifles, screaming mimi’s
[Nebelwerfer rocket launchers], and other artillery and weapons (28:35)
Fighting made the soldiers feel like they were not simply friends, but brothers
(28:50)
o Every time a soldier was killed, they not only lost a friend but they also
lost someone to help them (29:11)

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For the majority of the time, he stayed fighting in the same place and did not
advance much farther or capture any territory
o He remembers looking at a map at one point that showed one of their
objectives to be Saint-Lo, France (29:50)
o The infantry was making a push to the peninsula so that they would have
open country ahead of them
They occasionally encountered German tanks (30:39)
o There was often not enough room for the German tanks to pass
o The tanks' turrents did not traverse like the American tanks (30:50)
At one point he looked down the barrel of a German tank (31:22)
o He was ordered to take a look around the corner and he saw the tank
When they were in the bocage country, they slept outdoors (32:13)
o He had very little sleep while he was there
o At Camp Butner he learned that he should not sleep a lot (32:31)
There were planes that would come through and try to drop bombs on them
o When a scouting plane flew over them, a new guy shot at him and gave
away their positioning (34:07)

Active Duty – Part II – First Injury/Problems With the Sergeant – (34:29)
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The day he got wounded was the day that they were making a big push to get to
[out of?] the Cotentin Peninsula (34:36)
o They were all ready with their ammo and guns when the Sergeant told
them to go back and get some more
o The Sergeant said it was time for him to go in front since others had gone
in front before (35:17)
o When they were running through a field, he was the last one to run – he
was halfway through the field when he was shot
o The bullet must have been an armor-piercing bullet instead of lead (36:12)
 The bullet missed his spine by a quarter of an inch (36:24)
 It missed his heart by an inch and a half
 He felt like he hit a wall
He yelled for a medic when he was down
o He pulled out his micro-morphine shot (37:02)
o He took seven sulfa pills without water (37:20)
When he was picked up by the medics, the German took another shot at him and
it grazed the front of his jacket
o The medics dropped him and he hit the ground (37:50)
When he go to the hedgerow he was put on a jeep and taken back to Omaha
Beach
o He had to go cross-country because the roads would have taken too long
(38:37)
When he arrived at Omaha Beach, the medics were great
o He laid next to a tanker that was on his twelfth pint of blood (38:54)
o The nurses were great – they were always there for him

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o The girls were just like infantry soldiers – the nurses deserve a lot of honor
for their service (39:14)
He was then put on an LST (Landing Ship, Tank) and tied down
He ended up in a hospital in Birmingham, England (39:50)
He was taken in very quickly and lined up like a food line
He spent roughly one month in a bed (40:54)
There was one nurse that he did not like and he would try to avoid her by hiding
underneath his bed (41:23)
He was one of the first people in the Army to receive penicillin (41:52)
o It was always cold because it had to be stored in the refrigerator
When a new doctor looked at his records, he said some smart remark and told him
that he was going back to war (42:50)
o His wound was still not healed
When he was discharged out of the hospital, he was taken on a train to Le Havre,
France (43:44)
o Every time they stopped he had to have his bandage replaced
He was expecting to go back to the 83rd Division (44:15)
o He did not know where they were
The train would only go as far as Aachen, Germany and he would have find his
own way from there (44:25)
o The Hitler Highway went from Aachen to Berlin (44:41)
Once he got to Aachen, he went to a replacement depot that told him he was not
going back to the 83rd Division
o He said that he did not want to go to any other division, he wanted to be
back with the 83rd (45:18)
o They told him that he was going to go with another outfit and be squad
leaders
 They were squad leaders without rank (45:35)
 He was never given the rank
o The Sergeant that was in charge of him was “a horse's behind” (45:57)
 They did not like one another
 The Sergeant was killing people because of his stupidity (46:05)
o His men liked Borekbecause he did not ask them to do anything he would
not do himself
They went on one mission where he and the Sergeant split – they ended up back
together and he had all of his men while the Sergeant had only half of his men left
(46:52)
o The Sergeant was upset and reported him – he was taken off of squad
leader and put in the Sergeants squad
There were a lot of instances where new men would get others killed for
unnecessary reasons (48:20)
At one time the Sergeant decided that they were going to march down the railroad
tracks that had banks on each side (49:01)
o He told the Sergeant that the enemy was going to kill them
He joined the 104th Infantry Division in September of 1944 (50:20)

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In November of 1944 he was not in an area with a lot of fire
o There was a lot of fighting during this time in the Hurtgen Forest (51:02)
o They got out of Hurtgen Forest as quick as they could
He had three brothers in the service – he saw his brother Vic while he was in the
field (51:36)
o They were going to celebrate Christmas together (51:50)
o When the Battle of the Bulge came, his brother had to go because he was
in a tank destroyer unit that was being sent to help stop the attack (52:19)

Active Duty – Part III – Second Injury/Remaining Military Service – (52:31)
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The soldiers used to wade in the Ruhr [Roer?] River to check out the German
movements
When they got ready to move forward, the Germans blew up the dams and
significantly raised the water level of the river (52:45)
o The Navy then came in with their big boats – they ended up paddling
across the river
Once they crossed they went forward and took a town
o They set up on the main road going into the town (53:34)
 He was in the forward position
 The infantry was ahead of everyone else (54:09)
o He was wounded in the attack, roughly an hour and a half after the battle
started (55:11)
 Once it got dark that night, he was taken out and put on an
ambulance
o The men were in a butcher shop (55:52)
 He was wounded when a shell hit the building – the ceiling came
down and everything collapsed
 He was hit with shrapnel all over his body (56:26)
 His face is still loaded with it
 “He keeps it for souvenirs”
 One of his friends was hit as well
 He had four kids at home (57:14)
 He does not remember much of what happened after he was hit
(58:26)
 All he knows is that he was on an ambulance, headed for a
train
The train ride after he was injured took him a couple of days to go from Germany
to Paris (59:34)
When he arrived in Paris, he was sent to a hospital in Fontainebleau, France
(01:00:00)
o He was there for roughly two months (01:00:10)
o His older brother was stationed in Paris
 His brother came to see him in the hospital (01:00:38)
The treatment in Paris was very good (01:01:13)

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o The doctors were great as well
While he was in the hospital in Paris he was not allowed to move around in the
hospital at all (01:02:04)
o He could not get a shoe on because he had shrapnel in his ankle
There was one doctor that got a bunch of the soldiers together and told them that
if they get home, remember one thing: “talk about everything that you saw and
had happened to you. Don’t let it eat you.” (01:03:13)
o He always talked to his boys and girls about his experiences
o One person told him that he did not think that he was actually in the war
because he described everything so positively (01:04:29)
 He told the man that he was there – that is why it is so positive
After he was able to walk, they would go out to the Red Cross and go into Paris
(01:05:36)
After he was released from the hospital he was getting ready to go back to the
104th when a Captain told him that he had been wounded too many times
o He was given the option of going back to the field or not (01:06:53)
o The Captain told him that he was done
He was then put in the Military Police (01:07:27)
o He spent his time chasing G.I.’s “that were naughty”
o He was able to travel around France a lot
o At one point he was in the Vosges Mountains, he saw castles built in the
mountains, etc. (01:07:55)
o He went wherever he was needed
o He never had to go back to any parts that he was wounded in (01:08:26)
o He spent time in Luxemburg, Belgium, and many other places
He spent a lot of time directing traffic and being on cathouse duty (01:09:27)
He was in about four or five different MP outfits
o A Captain told him that he would not go home until the war ended
(01:10:16)
 He told them that they were renowned infantrymen
He spent a lot of time in Strasbourg, France
o Strasbourg was on the border with Germany (01:10:53)
o The German flag was out when the Germans were there and then the
French or American flag went up whenever they were there (01:11:02)
Switzerland was a leave center and the soldiers had to go through Strasbourg
There were a lot of Muslim, African soldiers [serving in the French army]
stationed around there (01:11:45)
o They had a lot of problems with them
There were Americans that would try to cheat Muslims out of their money
(01:13:02)
o They would sell them a carton of cigarettes with a block of wood in it
There was one story that was told by a French Foreign Legion Officer of a time
when four Muslims snuck up and cut off the heads of thirty German soldiers
(01:13:48)
The French people, after the war, were very happy
o He was able to make friends with some of them (01:14:38)

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o They would sometimes give the French people some of their food
A lot of people in France had no use for the people in Paris (01:15:13)
o A lot of the people in Paris spoke English (01:15:28)
The Rhine River was a bad spot for the Americans to operate in
He remembers there being a lot of people that were forced labor workers
o They would always go to the military police and ask for directions
(01:16:30)
o In one area he served as a Polish interpreter
 He had gone to a Polish school and learned the language there – he
is also Polish (01:17:29)
At this point he still did not know much of what was happening in Poland
His cousin was a POW in Germany for seven years – he was captured in 1939
(01:18:32)

Leaving Europe/After the Service – (01:18:50)
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Going home, he left from an airport just outside of Marseilles, France (01:19:09)
o He went home on a boat in December of 1945
o He was on a Kaiser Liberty Ship (01:19:50)
 There were 2,000 soldiers aboard
o They landed in January in Newport News, Virginia (01:20:42)
He left Newport News and went to Camp Atterbury, Indiana
o At Camp Atterbury he got a ticket home
 He was 20 years old when he went home (01:21:28)
He got married in September of 1946
When he got back, he worked in a factory building door panels
He then switched careers and worked in a tool and die shop (01:22:07)
He eventually got into show business
o They ran nitrate film (01:23:03)
o He was the business agent for the local union
He met Lena Horne through working in show business (01:24:18)
o He also met Bob Hope, Mickey Rooney, and many others
When he went into the military he was a kid, when he came out, he was a man
(01:25:28)
o The service prepared him for future jobs
 He was capable of making important decisions

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Interviewee’s Name: Mike Borah
Name of War: Vietnam War
Length: (00:44:35)
(00:00) Background Information
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Mike Borah was a sergeant in the Vietnam War and served there from 1969-70 in the
central highlands
Mike worked in heavy weapons infantry, working with basically anything that someone
could carry on their back, such as M-16s, shot guns, 12 gauges, 45 calibers and pistols
He also worked with a mortar platoon that was heavily camouflaged

(1:55) Living Conditions
 The conditions in Vietnam were horrible and they had to sleep outside every night in the
bush
 They were not able to sleep in sleeping backs because they were outside for the “element
of surprise” and the bags made too much noise
 They got up early every day and their squad leaders met with the captain of the company
 They then received their orders to move to a certain location, set up ambushes on the way
and sent out patrols
 A good day was coming off a mission from being out in the bush from anywhere from a
week to a month
 It was very hot weather, like stepping into hell when they got off the plane
 It was always well over 100 degrees with terrible humidity that was unbearable and many
men got heat stroke
(7:25) Leaving Vietnam
 Everyone was always excited to go home as soon as possible and keeping track of their
time left on the calendar
 Mike could not wait to go home and everyone else hated being in Vietnam also
 It was very hard to leave through because he knew he would be leaving some men that
would never make it home
 No one was aware of all the negative feelings American citizens were harboring for the
troops and it was a complete surprise coming home
 Mike was spit on when he returned and refused from many bars, called names
(14:00) Bad Conditions

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Mike was in the First Air Cavalry Division working on combat assaults and often getting
rides on helicopters
They usually walked 1-3 miles a day through swamps and rivers
Mike thought the medevac workers they worked with were amazing and always there to
help no matter how terrible the conditions were
They always put their life on the line and the men really looked up to them
While in Vietnam Mike missed bullets going through his backpack, the heels of his boots,
but did catch malaria twice
He was often near the spraying of Agent Orange, but has not experienced any side effects

(26:00) Changing of America
 Mike feels that the US government has gotten weaker and would have never been afraid
to torture terrorists 40 years ago
 He feels that there is not more pride or patriotism and the country is headed in the wrong
directions, though it is neither the fault of Republicans nor Democrats
 More and more freedom is being taken away from Americans and they are losing more
rights every day
(31:15) Working in Vietnam
 The conflict in Vietnam was not declared an actual war for a long time, even after
Americans were stationed there
 Some areas of the country where Americans were stationed were not even paying combat
pay
 While in Vietnam the men were never harassed by Officers they way they were in the US
 He was often on guard duty for 2 hours a night and then went to sleep
 Mike enjoyed receiving letters from home and cherished the packages he received from
his mother
(39:10) Looking Back
 Mike had enlisted in the Army with the hopes of getting into something better then the
infantry
 He ended up much worse, with heavy weapons infantry
 Mike really enjoyed being in the Army, but did not enjoy his time in Vietnam
 After working in Vietnam he was sent to Fort Hood, Texas and many tried to convince
him to re-enlist
 Mike was interested in continuing with the Army, but was told that if he did re-enlist he
would be sent back to Vietnam right away, so he chose not to do so

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Lyle Edward Booth
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(0:53) The draft
• Just turned 18 and then drafted into the Army
• Left hometown of Onaway, MI for Detroit where passed a physical and was
inducted into the Army on April 10, 1945
• From Detroit went to Fort Sheridan, IL where received gear
o There for 7 days
• Went to a fort in Texas for infantry training
o Learned to fire an M-16 [M-1] rifle
• Went to Fort McClellan, AL
o Trained in Heavy Weapons Field Artillery
 105- Howitzer, known as “the big guns”
 Here for a few weeks and then had a 10 day leave home
(3:12) Politics
• Shortly after back from leave, FDR died and Truman became president
o Authorized the use of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
o Signed peace treaty on a ship in Yokohama
(4:10) October 1945
• Booth and men sent to Japan
• 3,300 men sailed from California for 21 days to get to Yokohama harbor, Japan
• Arrived in Yokohama on October 31, 1945
• Involved in police action
o Main objective was to gather up all unused ammunition, guns, air planes,
and other war materials and destroy them
(4:44) November 1945
• Booth traveled to Hiroshima to see the aftermath of the atomic bomb
o “something to see”
o As far as the eye could see in every direction was rubble with an
occasional tree stump or smokestack
o Vast destruction
(6:10) 77th Artillery Division
• Went to Sapporo, Japan
• Joined up with the 77th Artillery Division, who had been fighting in the
Philippines
o Those men shared many stories
• Spring 1946, 77th Artillery Division was disbanded; men with enough points
could go home
o Booth did not have enough points so he had to stay
• Went to Kyushu for rest and relaxation
(7:12) Military police duty

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Given the choice to either join the Air Force or the 1st Cavalry Division
o To join the Air Force, need to complete 50 jumps from a plane
 Booth did not want to do that so joined the 1st Cavalry Division
• Went to Tokyo for military police duty
o Spent the rest of time in service doing police action, road checkpoints, and
inspections
(8:14) Home
• Went from California to Fort Sheridan, IL, where Booth was discharged
• Spent a total of 2 years in the service
(8:39) Opinions on the atomic bomb
• By authorizing the atomic bombs, believes Truman saved his life
o Strongly believes that he would not be here today at 80 years old had it not
been for the atomic bomb
• When see people today holding demonstrations about the innocent lives lost at
Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Booth wants to say that he was an innocent person too
and didn’t want to go yet either.
• Felt the atomic bomb was an answer to a prayer
(9:58) More about being drafted
• When 18, had to register
• If physically fit, got a greeting from the government
(10:46) Most memorable moment while in Japan
• Destruction saw at Hiroshima and the people
o The people of Japan were so poor – they literally had nothing
o The cities were bombed out so badly; there was no food
o Terrible to see the extreme poverty
o Many times, would see old Japanese men with coffee cans standing at the
end of the chow lines in the mess hall. Usually when soldiers finish a
meal, they scrape the left over food from their mess tin into a barrel and
then rinse the tin in another barrel of hot soapy water. Instead of scraping
it into the barrel, the old men would stand there with their coffee cans and
soldiers would scrape their leftovers into the coffee cans. When the cans
were full, the old men would run off, bringing the food to their families.
(12:57) Japanese reaction to American troops after the war
• Welcomed Americans with open arms
• A majority of Japanese people didn’t want a war any more than America did
(13:35) Homecoming
• Felt served country well
• Very welcomed and well received, even upon returning a year and half after the
war had ended
• A band was playing the soldiers off the ship when they arrived in California
• Men in uniform were always sent to the front of lines and treated with great
respect
(14:44) Boot camp
• Did a lot of training with M-16 [M-1] rifles
o Fields, woods, day and night, for many days at a time

�o First experience crawling with backpack and rifle through field happened
while shooting over them with big guns
 Guns sounded like rattling a brown paper bag
 Machine guns used tracer bullets where came awfully close to the
soldiers
• Field artillery training meant working with the big guns
o Shells 6 inches in diameter
(17:37) Japan
• Felt safe when there
• One of first groups there after the war
• No casualties in unit
(18:22) Other family members who served
• Older brother, Harvey
o 2 years older
o Served in the European Theatre
 Was in the Battle of the Bulge
 Served under General Patton and General Eisenhower
o Booth and Harvey wrote back and forth during the war
o After the war, they would swap/compare stories
 Harvey received the Purple Heart and had shrapnel in his shoulder
until the day he died

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Veterans History Project Interview
Interviewee’s Name: Robert Bonner
Name of War: Vietnam War
Length of Interview: (00:27:42)
(00:10) Background Information
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Robert was born on December 29, 1950 and was in the Navy during the war in Vietnam
Robert grew up in Grand Rapids, Michigan
His father worked a couple of different jobs and his mother stayed at home
Robert had 2 uncles that had fought in the Korean War whom he admired and influenced
his decision to enlist in the Navy
When he was younger he was interested in rockets and jets; he sent the Air Force many
letters requesting pictures and diagrams and they always replied to him
Robert spent 3 years in Army ROTC while in high school and was also in boy scouts
when he was younger
While in ROTC Robert learned about weapons and uniforms and did very well

(3:25) Training
 Robert turned 18 in 1968 and then went to a Air Force recruiting center, but the men in
the office seemed lazy and he did not like them
 He then went to a Navy center and liked the men there and decided to enlist in the Navy
 In April of 1969 Robert was sent to Detroit for physicals and then was sent to Great
Lakes Naval Academy in Chicago
 Training was not hard for him because of his ROTC experience; he made company
commander right away
 2 weeks into training Robert was promoted to be a drill instructor to teach other
commanders
 Because of his promotion Robert was able to avoid a lot of hard physical training
 He was later moved to the Naval Training Academy in Chicago to train to be a Navy
engine man and spent another 20 weeks training
 Robert really enjoyed training in Chicago
(8:00) Philippines
 After training in Chicago Robert was sent to the Philippines where he worked at the
Subic Bay Naval Station
 He was assigned to a service craft and worked with a harbor tug
 It was during the height of the Vietnam war and they were busy 24/7 in the bay pushing
ships in and out and transferring barges

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It was very hard physical work, but also fun working with the large aircraft carriers and
barges
Robert worked on the boat during 3 different typhoons and thought it was thrilling

(9:40) San Diego
 Robert was transferred to work at an amphibious base in California and began working
for Boat Support Unit 1
 Robert drove and maintained boats for the Navy Seals
 They were all very high tech boats and Robert spent most of his time on the water
 Robert later took a boat and group of Seals to Okinawa and he was stationed there for a
few months working on boats
 He was then sent to the Philippines again where he worked for 13 months training locals
(12:05) Men in Service
 Robert made a few good friends in Chicago who worked at other bases with him
 He had a good friend in San Diego and they later moved into an apartment off base
 Robert had made the rank of E5 and he was making more money
(14:30) Motorcycle
 Robert bought a motorcycle while in the Philippines, a large Honda 750 and he spent a
lot of time riding it
 The area of the base had a lot of mountains and nice scenery; he enjoyed riding the bike
around the area
 Robert had a lot of adventures with the motorcycle, but he eventually crashed the bike
 He got it fixed for a very low price and then brought the bike back to California
 Robert took many trips while in California to the zoo, Las Angeles, different hotels and
beaches
(17:00) End of Service
 Robert shipped his motorcycle back to Michigan and cleaned out his apartment before he
moved back
 He was discharged on March 3, 1973 and had a fun goodbye party in California
 Robert took a plane to Michigan and had plans to do more traveling on his bike across the
country
 His mom met him at the airport and said she already had a good job lined up for him, so
he decided not to do any traveling
 Robert had never liked repairing boats and getting dirty all the time
 He had taken tests that suggested repairing boats would be a good job for him; they also
recommended that he work as an interpreter or in communications

�(23:01) Civilian Life
 It was hard for Robert to re-adjust to civilian life without ranking status and paying for
things again
 He eventually angered his parents and had to move out on his own
 Robert was no longer allowed to travel and was stuck in a boring job so he decided to go
back to college

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                    <text>Grand Valley State University
Veterans History Project Interview
World War II
Richard Bonge
(1:05:24)
Introduction (00:22)
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Richard was born in Holland, Michigan on August 21, 1917. His father worked at a shoe
factory for 16 years, once his health began to deteriorate he had to quit and buy a farm.
The family moved to the farm in 1926.
Richard lived at this farm until he left for the war in 1942.
During the depression, it was “hard scratching” but they got by. Their farm was 40 acres,
with 2 horses that both were killed in a barn fire along with five or six heads of cattle and
a few pigs. The barn was a total loss.
To make ends meet, Richard’s father worked a second job unloading coal from a train for
12-14 cents a ton.
Richard was never able to finish high school; he made it through the first half of tenth
grade. (2:36)
During high school, Richard heard a state trooper speak, inspiring him to become a police
officer, but because he didn’t have a high school diploma he was ineligible to be a state
trooper.
Instead he became the local constable in the township that he lived when he was 21 years
old.
Along with being the constable, he was also helping on the family farm. (4:35)
He bought a used John Deere tractor, which he used to work on his families farm and also
did custom work with it. Eventually making enough to buy rubber wheels to replace the
original steel ones that came with it.
Richard heard about Pearl Harbor being attacked the night of December 7th while
listening to the radio. He immediately thought he would be drafted. His mother told him
he wouldn’t because he had asthma. (5:48)
Richard met Ruth in 1938, she lived in Chicago. She was 18 or 19 and he was 20 or 21.
After dating for awhile, they were engaged in 1942.
The schools taught current events, so people were caught up on Hitler and what was
happening in Europe. (7:50)
He was drafted in May 1942.
Upon receiving his draft notice, he didn’t enlist, and instead let God have his way.

Training (9:00)
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After being drafted, Richard was sent to St. Louis, Missouri to Jefferson Barracks, he was
there for three weeks.
He was then shipped out to Lincoln, Nebraska.
Before leaving Michigan, he was sent to Fort Custer.

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At Jefferson Barracks, he had to perform physical testing, written testing, general
background knowledge, and he was sent to the rifle range for one day. He had fired a
gun before, but never a high powered rifle like in the military. (10:36)
While Richard was shooting, an officer that was standing behind him watched him fire
several shots then told him “Damn good shooting, soldier”.
In Lincoln he attended the Airplane Mechanics School. He was in the first class that was
conducted at the base. He learned the basics of every aircraft. This school lasted seven
weeks.
Upon completion of this basic course, he was transferred to Chanute Field in Illinois to
choose a specialty field, which was propellers. (12:09)
He had four schools to choose from at the time: Power Plants, Propellers, Instruments and
Parachute Rigging.
Chanute Field was located 100 miles south of Chicago.
Discipline and drill were not strictly enforced during this time. (14:13)
The first instructor he had there would often say “Let’s don’t be for doing that”.
All the instructors were military, not civilians.
He was working on the propeller mechanisms, which can change the pitch of the aircraft.
(16:11)
While in Brazil, he witnessed a plane that had its propeller shatter on the runway.
At Chanute Field, about 2,000 permanent personnel were stationed on the base.
Bombers and transport planes would often fly into the base. (18:00)
Richard was at Chanute Field for four weeks. While there he caught pneumonia, and he
spent five weeks in the hospital. Once he had recovered, he had to finish his last two
weeks of school.

First Unit (19:00)
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After he graduated from propeller school, he was sent to Love Field in Dallas, Texas. He
was assigned to the 5th Ferries Command to the 62nd Ferry Squadron. They began
transporting their aircraft to England.
When he arrived at Love Field, he was placed on a detached service to the guard
squadron. After two weeks he was sent to Florida where he learned that he had been
transferred to the Corps of Military Police. They remained in Boca Raton for a month
training. (21:00)
Richard was then transferred again to the 1208th Military Police Company in New
Orleans.
After one week, the first Friday night after Easter in 1943, he boarded an old troop carrier
that belonged to the United Fruit Company named The Algonquin. One of the sergeants
in his company told him that he was sent to France during World War I on that same
boat.
They were sent to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. They sat in the harbor for six days, and they
were not allowed to leave the boat. The men would amuse themselves by throwing
quarters over the side of the boat and watched as local children would dive down and
bring up the coins in their teeth. (23:10)

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The ship then brought them to Trinidad, where they remained for a month. At Fort Reed,
which was located inland, the men conducted training there in close-order drill,
mechanics of arrest, and whatever the officers could think of to keep the men busy.
Once his unit had received other orders, they boarded a much larger ship, the General
Clem. Clem was a Michigan volunteer who rose to the ranks of General in the Civil War.
Richard claims that Clem wanted to reenlist for World War II, but was told he was too
old. [John Lincoln Clem died in San Antonio, Texas in 1937 at the age of 86] (25:05)
His ship sailed in a convoy that consisted of around 15 to 20 ships.
Once they had a U-Boat scare when one of the ships began dropping depth charges. He
never knew if they got it or not.
They were on the first ship for 21 days, and 14 days on the second.

Natal, Brazil (26:48)
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They were sent to Natal, Brazil which was the home of an Air Transport Command Base
that was in the early stages of being built. (27:08)
The base was about five or six miles outside the city limits.
The military sharpened tree saplings, which was supposed to be a defense against
parachuting Germans who might try to attack the base.
Two runways were also being built there, each a mile long in the form of an X.
Natal was used to ship supplies all over the world, to such places as Europe, North
Africa, India, China and Burma. (29:20)
Surrounding Natal, the area was very poorly with some people earning 15 cents a day.
Richard was earning $50 a day, once a month. (31:05)
Shortly after being in Brazil, Richard was promoted to Staff Sergeant and was
commander of the guard.
At the base, the MP’s were in charge of security, with one company designated for town
patrol, which would keep order in the nearby town amongst the men who were there on
leave.
Natal was a very poor town that only offered whorehouses and beer establishments for
the men stationed there. (33:18)
A USO was built later, but he rarely went there.
Richard was never on town patrol, until the last three months he was in Brazil. He was
sent to a different base where he was in charge of town patrol. He had to work from noon
till around 11pm. The town was Sao Luis, close to the Amazon.
This base also had Blimp Duty for one week at a time. The landing crew had to assist in
helping the blimp land. Richard was in charge of getting the crew to and from the
landing zone. (36:12)
In Natal, security risks ranged from men jumping the fence and going to unauthorized
villages, getting killed or contracting a venereal disease.
Once he found the Navy Base Commanders [?] and tried to arrest them, one of the men
ran, Richard ordered the man to halt and then fired a shot and the man hit the ground.
Thinking that he hit the man, he asked where he had been shot. The man replied that he
hadn’t, rather he had tripped and fallen over a barbed wire fence. (39:38)
The man was later found guilty and was sentenced to ten days for resisting arrest and
assaulting a superior.

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Richard mentioned that the base in North Africa was shut down for two weeks due to a
malaria outbreak. Once it had been cleared, the base continued operations and people
stuck in Natal were shipped out. (41:23)
He had quite a bit of contact with the locals, and learned a lot a Portuguese. He still
remembers some of it today.
The base had many Brazilian civilians that worked there doing laundry and working in
the mess hall.
Once he was called to an accident that occurred off base, involving a 6x6 truck carrying
local workers. The driver lost control and rolled the truck, which had an open back. It
was carrying around 25 or 30 people and Richard crawled underneath the back end to
look for any survivors but couldn’t find any. (44:40)
The base had around one plane crash a week. Most of the time there were no survivors.
One crash involved a B-24 that crashed and was engulfed in flames. The plane was
carrying ammunition. The survivors were removed and taken to the hospital before
Richard got there. (46:58)
Another crash that he remembers was a B-29 that was hard to find, and when he did find
it, they were unable to access it because of the swamps. Richard was told to stay at the
road and not let anyone pass except fire and ambulance crews. Two men approached
him, he told them “You can’t go there” but they continued to advance, he sharply yelled
“Halt” and he pulled out his weapon. Finally the two stopped and he found out that it
was the commander of the base. The officer that posted Richard there assured him he
would not be in trouble for following orders. (48:52)
Richard was married on October 10, 1945. (51:06)
They were married in Evergreen Park, Illinois.
He was discharged in November 1945.
Richard just spoke with a man he served with who just turned 91. They had a tornado
where he lives in Georgia. This man often served on town patrol, and he once got into a
fight with a drunken sailor and had his nipple bitten off, but it was later reattached.
(54:31)
Richard recalls that his commanding officer, Lieutenant Glass, was sending home a .30
caliber carbine rifle. (56:26) He was sending it home in pieces, and Richard reported it.
The postmaster in Miami, Florida was contacted and he stopped the package and sent the
others back. The man was court-martialed and he pleaded not guilty. He was found
guilty and convicted. Later, it was discovered that he had sent home many other things as
well. They had the FBI search the man’s parents' house and his wife’s house, and
discovered the items. (59:09)
Brazil had many tropical diseases, and malaria nets were used to keep away the
mosquitoes when he was in a transient camp.

Back in the States (1:01:51)
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After the war, Richard worked for his brother at a wheel alignment shop. He was sent to
school to learn about alignment and he worked the job for about three years.
When business there slowed, he got a job working for the Holland Police Department and
continued with that job for 15 years. (1:02:43)

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Many of his calls were domestic disputes and he was sent without back-up. At the time,
many officers had been killed on such calls so he eventually quit.
After he quit the police department, he worked for 14 years at General Electric. He was
forced to retire because of arthritis in his upper spine.
Looking back on his military service, [video cuts off before interview is finished]
(1:05:23)

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                    <text>Grand Valley State University
Veterans History Project
Martin Henry Bolt
(01:21:00)
Interviewer: “Can we have you name and when you were born.”
My name is Martin Henry Bolt. I was born on Griggs Street Grand Rapids, MI. From
there on I proceeded to move out of there and we went up on Hall Street and I lived there
all the time I was in the service and when I returned I got married and moved on. 4:36
Interviewer: “Tell us something about your early childhood and your early schooling
here in Grand Rapids.”
Well, I started out at Hall Street School in kindergarten because Holy Name Parish didn’t
have a kindergarten. From there I went to Holy Name Parish for 8 years and from there I
went to Catholic Central and graduated from Catholic Central in 1937. Then I did one
fall semester at Davenport College and decided I didn’t want to do office work and went
out and took construction. 5:11
Interviewer: “Who were your parents and what were they doing for a living?”
My mother and father were both born in the Netherlands and my father came here in
1889 and took a job in a furniture factory and saved up enough money to send for my
mother. They arrived at the depot and from there right to St. Joseph’s Parish and got
married on the same day she arrived. 5:41 That was quite a few years ago, back in the
1800’s.
Interviewer: “Right after your first semester there at Davenport, what were your options
and what were you planning to do with your life?”
Well, if you recall, 1937 was a bad year. We had just gotten through the depression and
jobs were not readily available so the first job I took was at a drug store and I lasted there
about 9 months and I put my application in at the gas company, the telephone company
and at Page Hardware. All 3 of them responded within a week for interviews. I took the
interviews and I had my decision to make and I asked my father, “where do you think I
should go” and he said, “I’ve never seen a telephone man without a job. They work
through all periods” so I ended up in the phone company. 6:44
Interviewer: “Now what happened next that was a big step in your life?”
Well, I guess the biggest step was, I met my wife in 1936. We both had different schools
to attend. The girl’s school was on one side of Jefferson and the boy’s on the other.
Crossing the road one day, I seen her coming toward me and I felt a sensation like being
hit with electricity and I said, “ooh, what’s this?” I got across the street to the buddy I
was walking with and I said, “do you know those 2 girls?” and he said, “ya, their the
cutler sisters.” I said, “oh boy, I gotta find out who that one is.” 7:32 Then the rest of
the school year I got acquainted with her and we started dating. I’d already gotten the job
when I bought an engagement ring, presented her with the ring and up until the time, we
were planning on getting married when I got my draft notice, so we delayed it.

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�Interviewer: “Tell us about getting a draft notice.” 7:58
Well, I was down in Lansing working and I came back to Grand Rapids to register, which
I did, went back to Lansing to work and I got informed that my draft number was 1037,
which was pretty low and when I got back into Grand Rapids after working there in
Lansing, the job was finished, I went to the board and asked what numbers they were at
and they were pretty close to mine. They were probably in the 400’s. 8:32 He was a
Dutchman and he said,” ve go through all these numbers and ven ve get 10 good names,
ve take em 10 at a time”. I said, “Oh, ok. How long will it be?” and he said, “oh, you got
until summer”. It didn’t work out that way. They called me up in April and I got my
letter from them saying that, “you have been selected”. That made a complete change in
my life and my future. 9:02 At that time it was only a years draft, 12 months, so I would
have been out April 21st of 1942, so we planned on marrying first and my parents and her
parents said, ”oh it’s a good test of your love, wait a year and if your still in love with
each other then get married”. 9:25 they didn’t want us both down there in another city,
her being a wife to a military man. I guess they were right in that respect.
Interviewer: “What was the mood like around you? You were not in a war yet, but
there were there sounds of war on the radio and in the newspapers and all that? Did you
have any sense that now that you were in the military, you were going to go to war?”
9:50
No I didn’t. I just thought it was a years training and in the event we did get into a war,
we would be experienced enough to fight the battle, but I didn’t worry about it at that
time.
Interviewer: “So you said goodbye to your family and you said goodbye to your future
wife”.
Yes, on a Sunday. I went down to the Union Depot and they loaded everyone on a train.
There were probably at least a hundred of us at that time going in. We went to
Kalamazoo overnight, I said goodbye of course to my family and my girlfriend, we went
to Kalamazoo overnight and the next morning, it was Monday, they took us to Camp
Custer, did a physical and after that they said “your in the service” and they swore us in.
10:43 A few of them failed their physicals and were sent back, so on April 22nd I was a
member of the military service and I took my oath to serve my country loyally.
Interviewer: “Did you have any voice in terms of what branch you were going into?”
Not really. I guess about the only thing I can say about the choices is they told us after
you got to your army base they would go through the records and see where we would do
the best to serve our country. 11:20
Interviewer: “so where did you go for basic training?”
I went to Camp Livingston, Louisiana and we had 6 weeks of training down there and we
were confined to the base. We could not leave or do anything and after our basic training
was over, then we could get our first pass to go to town. 11:43

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�Interviewer: “What was the it like? You’re from Michigan and you arrive in Louisiana
and you have never been to Louisiana before. You arrive in Louisiana and you’re about
to be insulated in this little area. Can you give us an idea of this young mans impression
as he came into the barracks and onto the grounds of this training area?” 12:02
Well, I realize a military installation; we had sidewalks made of shell and tents. Six men
in a tent and it was basically just living with what they presented us with. We had very
good meals and they had movies for entertainment. They had a gym and a few other
places we could go for recreation. It seemed like the 6 weeks went real quick. I knew
one of the Sergeants, Sergeant Merrin, who worked at the phone company. He was a
National Guard so when I got down to I company, he called me up to the First Sergeants
tent and he said “Bolt, we want you for a B.A.R. Gunner and I said, “what is a B.A.R.”?
He said “it’s an automatic rifle that weighs about 20 pounds” and he said, “it has a
tripod”. He said “you’ll learn about it”, so I went out to a training ground and a
Lieutenant stood out there telling me all about a B.A.R. He said, “the average life of a
B.A.R.Gunner is 6 seconds in action”. I said, “he made a mistake, he means 6 minutes”.
13:18 I waited until the presentation was over and he said “any questions?’ I said
“ya”and I raised my hand and said, “you said the average life of a gunner is 6 seconds. I
think you meant minutes” and he said “no”, I said it right. When I got back to the
company it was still peacetime, I went up to Al Merrin and I said, “here’s your gun back.
With a Corporals rating, I don’t need it”. That was a little bit of the humor that came
while we were being trained. 13:46
Interviewer: “Was there any sense of camaraderie or sense of getting to know these
guys around you?”
Well to honest with you, the National Guards were all friends and knew each other. They
had been down there from November and they kind of stayed together in one area and the
draftees visited back and forth and became friends. Yes, there was some.
Interviewer: “ In terms of your previous experience with the phone company, was there
any thought of you going into that element or were you training just to be an
infantryman?”
Well, I trained from April until about August as an Infantryman, then they put a notice on
the bulletin board that they needed some communication men and that school was going
to start, so I offered to go to that class. 14:39 We spent 3 weeks, of course I was
knowledgeable to what they were telling us and I already had experience climbing
telephone poles, so I did pretty well in the class. I got my diploma and I made my first
mistake. It said your going to the 5th Army and I said, “I don’t want to go there and meet
all new people. I’m used to these kids and I have a lot of fun with them”. I stood there
and looked at the diploma and a guy by the name of Brown, who also worked at the
phone company, said, “what did you get?” and I said, “I got to go over to the 5th Army.”
He said, “are you lucky.” and I said, “you want to trade?” and he said “ya, I’ll trade with
ya.” We went up to see the Major and told him what happened and he said, “sure we’ll
change it.” The kid went to a rear base and I went with our men up to wartime. 15:39
Those are things that happened. Bad decision.

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�Interviewer: “The other Red Arrow veterans that I have talked to said that the training
that you actually got was really more WWI based. Tell us a little bit more, one thing
about the training itself and whether or not it had any application to what you actually got
into.”
There was nothing, the training we got was for civilian type countries where you go from
city to city using highways and side roads, which is understandable, we didn’t realize the
war was going to be in a jungle. So we had no training at all in jungle warfare, none what
so ever. 16:26
Interviewer: “So after you made this decision, you are now in the 5th Army, what was
the next step? Did you get a notice you were going somewhere? What did you do
next?”
Well, we stayed right at Livingston, we got a 72-hour pass and went down to New
Orleans; there were 5 of us. On December 6 we arrived in New Orleans and slept in a
car, all of us in a car, got up the next morning and there were some nuns coming down
the street going toward a church and we asked them for a little bit of information about
going to church and she said, “you got another hour” so we went to a restaurant and
thought we would get a cup of coffee and a donut and there was nobody at the counter to
wait on us. We hollered, “where are ya, where are ya” and he said “shh, I’m in the back
room here, I’ll be right out.” He came out and told us that Pearl Harbor had been
attacked. 17:35 All of us said “where is Pearl Harbor”? He said, “well, the Japs bombed
the whole city and we lost a lot of boats and ships and quite a few men were killed and
you have to go right back to your base.” So we took off for the base. The people down
in the south didn’t want much to do with us, they didn’t invite us into their homes per say
and didn’t offer to buy us a round of drinks or anything. On the way back we stopped
and had a couple of beers and they offered to buy everything for us. 18:18 It just
changed overnight.
Interviewer: “Was there any sense, and I realize this was a long time ago, but was there
any sense at the time of where you are going to go? You guys are heading back to base,
the war has started, any idea where you were going to go?”
No idea. I’m sure the officers had that information, but they didn’t pass it to us. I got
back to the base the night of the 7th and the morning of the 8th they said, “load up were
going to go down to New Orleans on guard duty until we get a different assignment”. So
we came right back and I was stationed at Lake Ponchatrain camp down there and went
on guard duty on the bridges and that lasted about 4 weeks, probably a month, then we
got our orders.
Interviewer: “ Today’s audience, if you will, thinking about guard duty in the United
States, would probably think in terms of guarding Fort Knox or something like that, so
let’s try and get a better idea of guarding. What were you guarding and why were you
guarding it?”
Well, they were afraid of sabotage and that’s what we were out there to do, to protect the
area that we were assigned to and to be alert in case you see anything suspicious. 19:43
Cars would be stopped and searched to see if there was something in the trunk. They
would pull them over if they were suspicious of anything. Just basically, keep an alert

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�eye on the civilians and be sure that they weren’t going to do anything like the terrorists
are doing today.
Interviewer: “I think that is a good connection there. It’s hard for even someone like
myself to even fathom that we would have guards in the streets of New Orleans or St.
Louis or any where else, but that actually did happen at that time. 20:17 Once the guard
duty period was over with, what was your next assignment? Where did you go?”
Well, we got orders to go back to our camp and await the next assignment. So we were
back there about a month, no not quite a month, we were there a couple of weeks when
we got notice that we were going to go to Fort Devens in Massachusetts and I stayed,
there was always a fore echelon, a main body and a rear echelon and I was assigned to
the rear echelon. So, the first group went out and the second group went out about a
week later and we were to follow up. Well, in the meantime, while we were waiting this
period of 2 or 3 weeks to get notified to go ahead, they put a sign up on the bulleting
board, “cooks and bakers school”. Well the unit I was with was an artillery unit so I said,
“ok, that’s for me, I’m going to go there and get some education rather sit on the
company street.” So, I went to school and while I was at school, they called the rear
echelon up. They didn’t want to break our classes up, there were about 10 of us from this
company that were in this school, so we stayed behind to get our diplomas, which was
about a week or 10 days, got our diplomas and they wanted us just like that, overnight,
straight to Devins. 21:53 They loaded one complete railroad car, passenger coach,
and highballed all the way across the United States to catch up with them. Well, I got up
there about Ash Wednesday during holy week and I went to the barracks I was assigned
to and in about 4 days they gave us the notice to go down to the docks, we were going to
Europe. I guess everyone knows the history of that, we didn’t go to Europe, the Japs had
broken through at New Guinea and were marching toward Port Moresby and Australia
was in danger of being invaded. Well, Macarthur wanted the 1st division that was ready
to ship and that was us. We turned back, got on trains and headed right on back to San
Francisco. 22:48 We were there about 5 days, they loaded us on the boat. I went on the
Lurline, a passenger ship; ironically it was April 22nd when I boarded it. One year and
one day in the service. We stayed in this convoy, the complete division was shipped all
at once, the first time that was ever tried, and we arrived May 14th in Adelaide. We were
scheduled to go to Sidney, but because of the Coral Sea battle and the secrecy, they didn’t
know if the Japanese won that battle or the Americans, they were really sailing to get us,
they intended to hit that convoy I was in and as it was the Americans won, but as a
defense maneuver, instead of going to the middle of Australia, we went down to the base
which was like Florida compared to New York. 23:48 We went there and trained there
for a while.

Interviewer: “Martin, how old were you at this time?”
Well, I was 22 years old at this time. Born September 7th and we landed in May, so I was
just 22.

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�Interviewer: “Now when you arrived in Australia, a 22 year old kid from Grand Rapids,
Michigan, what was the reaction of the Australians? Did you have any contact with them
at all?”
Yes I did. When we would get a pass and go into town, they were very receptive; they
invited us into their homes. Most of their soldiers were prisoners, I guess at Holbrook
where they fought, and they treated us very nice. 24:35
Interviewer: “What was your training like there?”
Learning how to eat mutton. We had a lot of different food when we arrived there. Not
as much beef as we had in the states, but our training was basically the same thing as it
was in the states, maneuvering, out there setting up CP’s, which is a command post, and
just waiting for the next assignment to move forward. 25:05
Interviewer: “what were your rank and your position, your job so to speak, within this
organization?”
Well, of course, I went in basic as a Private as everybody does unless they have had
military training or been to a school. I was in basic until I got into communications then I
ranked up as a Private First Class. So I stayed as a Private First Class the first year and a
half or two years. After we got out of action I got a Corporal assignment.
Interviewer: “But you were a Private there in Australia?”
No, I was already a First Class.
Interviewer: “You were in communications?”
Yes, I was in communications, switchboard, I tried for radio, but couldn’t pick up the
Morris code quick enough so I stayed right where I was. 26:03
Interviewer: “Let’s get an idea of where you fit into the scheme of things. The training
is beach landings or you said setting up command posts. What were you doing though
while this was going on?”
Until we went up to Camp Cable, which was in the middle of Australia, Brisbane, we
didn’t do more than I already mentioned, but once we got up to Camp Cable, we started
stringing wire up in the woods and camps up there. We had to string wire from every
company back to the command post. My training then was mainly just switchboard,
maneuvering and stringing wire, beach defenses and things like that. 26:50
Interviewer: “Because it has relevance later on, in New Guinea, what does stringing
wire consist of? What all is involved in doing that?”
Well, it’s a paired wire that came on reels about 18 inch drums and about 6 inch in
diameter. It was a field wire and you would climb a tree or a pole, whatever was in the
jungle, of course there were no poles in the jungle, but at Brisbane we had some there.
You would climb up, get it above the height of trucks or any equipment that was going to
go through, tie it in and bring it all the way out to a company like I or K that was based
about a half mile away from regimental that I was at. Regimental was a command post
and everything had to go through us in order to be completed in their assignment. 27:44

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�Interviewer: “With your experience in the telephone company, you could climb trees
fairly easy. Did you have any kind of equipment that you had to use?”
The same equipment, spurs and a belt.
Interviewer: “So you would go up a tree and string it high enough so it doesn’t interfere
with trucks and all that, come back down, walk the wire to the next tree and climb that
tree?”
There were usually 3 men climbing at a time, so the first man would tie in, the next man
on the next tree would pull it up tight, tie it around the tree and the 3rd man then all 3 of
us would come down and go on. The Jeep was right behind us. We had two types of
field wire, a heavy one and a light one, but we used more light than we did the heavy
because it stands to reason, a heavy reel, heavy wire is 10 times heavier than the smaller
reel. 28:39 Were talking 80 pounds probably.
Interviewer: “ did you have, I mean your climbing up a tree, your wiring stuff up, your
going up and down, there’s a Jeep behind you, I realize your mind is geared towards your
work, but did you have any sense at all of, your going to go into battle and do this?”
No, I guess none of us ever feared or ever gave it consideration. We figured that
eventually we would get into action, but that looked like it was a long time down the
road. Basically because we didn’t get the maps and the information that the officers were
getting. They didn’t want to alarm us I guess.
Interviewer: “Did you have access to radio broadcasts, news papers, did you have any
idea what was going on in the world?”
Very little. Most of the information that I got came from home, people writing back to
me and telling me what was going on. It wasn’t the day of the cell phone, where I could
just pick it up and say “hello”.
Interviewer: “I guess what I’m trying to get across is that particular period of time was
really the dark days for America and all over Europe and all over Asia. Did you have any
sense at that time, actually we were losing, was there any sense of that?”
Well we got a little G.I. newspaper out once in a while and there would be information on
the battles in there, but we never had a total picture. 30:18
Interviewer: “so what happened next?”
Well, “where did I stop? Did I stop at training?” “Ya.”
Interviewer: “You were stringing wires in Australia.”
We were there about 6 or 7 months and we got a notice to pack up, we were going to go
to New Guinea, of course they didn’t tell us where we were going. We got on our trains
and went down to the boats and loaded up and in about 4 or 5 days we arrived at Port
Moresby. After landing, we went to an area, there was a large hill behind us,
background, and we stationed down below and set up camp there. It wasn’t more than 3
or 4 days and the flies were just horrible and we started getting dysentery, so it wasn’t
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�getting sick. Eventually we overcame it, got better rations there in the kitchen and from
there they started assigning companies to go over the mountains. 31:38
Interviewer: “Let’s spend some more time on Port Moresby. This arrival into New
Guinea, I take it, was much different than your arrival into Australia? Primitive, would
that be accurate?”
That’s pretty close to it. We’ve seen the first natives.
Interviewer: “let’s talk about that. You arrive there on the beach and what do you see?“
Well, there was a little town called Port Moresby that had a few buildings and a few
hotels like any other city, but we were stationed about 4 miles out from it. We would go
into town once in a while with the wire Jeep to get supplies and come back. That was our
only contact with the city at that time. Back where our bivouac area was or where we
were camping, the natives were curious and would come in and we were curious to see
them too. 32:39 One of our men from town here, Eddie Zelinski, got a parrot out of a
cocoanut tree and boy those natives went wild. They couldn’t communicate, but they
wanted that bird in the worst way. So we gave them the bird. They took a little
cocoanut husk, lit that and held it over temporary and ate the remains of that bird. I guess
they burnt the feathers off and all of us gagged and left. 33:09 The whole thing went too
quick, we were moving out and were told we were going to fly over the mountain, well
the 1st Bat---, I’m not sure, was it the 2nd Battalion that went over the mountain? I forget
which one it was. They were able to walk across or tried to walk across, because the Japs
were halfway up the trail and it took them 49 days. They secured the area, the Japs were
in retreat, they flew us up to Dubador and we landed there, we flew in 40 hours while it
took them 49 days to go through mud and rain, water and mountains. Then we had to
walk 11 days to get to Buna. 33:59
Interviewer: “Let’s start with the arrival of your aircraft. You landed at an airfield?
Give us an idea of what you’re seeing around you.”
Well, I saw a lot of jungle on the flight going over and crossing those mountains. There
was a grass field where the natives had trimmed the tall grass down. It was a rough
landing, but it was land able. They had pretty smooth ground there for the approach, but
as you got into where the grass was, it became a little rough and bumpy. 34:38 Our
particular plane, as it came in, the right wing hit a branch out of a tree and it put a dent in
it about the size of a football. The pilot said, “we were lucky, we didn’t lose the wing”.
He took it gradually and the rest of us sat there shaking our heads. We landed and the
first thing we see is wounded on a stretcher. They had carried him back that far and some
of them came back on a Jeep on a trail that was built. We had now gone and talked to the
guys that were wounded and that was our first taste of what it was like ahead. 35:25 We
spent half of the day there organizing and then started up the trail.
Interviewer: “How many men are you talking about?”
In my company there were at least 250 men. Wartime strength. I would say 4 other
companies came in and landed the same day we did. Probably close to 1,000 men.
Interviewer: “What was the weather like?”

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�It rained every day. All of a sudden a storm would come in, lightning, thunder. We
always had sun immediately afterward. Your uniform would start steaming. 36:16
Interviewer: “Lets talk about what you’re wearing and what your carrying as your
walking these 11 miles.”
When I landed I was wearing fatigues that were green in color. A fatigue hat plus my full
pack, a helmet and a trenching tool. We started up the trail, started going over another
mountain, I was probably number 40 in the trail going up and by the time we had walked
2 days, the first night it started raining in the jungle and I sat in-between a tree that had
fins like, my back against it, my shelter half on, sat there most of the night trying to get
some rest. At that time I smoked and I used to light a cigarette under the poncho and just
smoke so it wouldn’t show and to keep it dry too. We marched for about 3 days to get
over this mountain. It was muddy, terrible conditions, you had to pull yourself up on
trees or vines or whatever there was. We chopped out steps that the natives had made
long before we arrived.
Interviewer: ‘so there was some semblance of a trail?”
Oh, yes, going up that part. I prided myself at that age; I was 6 feet tall and probably 180
pounds. I said, “I’m going to beat everybody up this mountain”, and I did lead, I got
there within 100 yards of this village where they had a ration drop. When one of the
cooks went bye me like I was standing still and the chuckled all the way. He said, “I was
going to beat you really”, and I came in second anyway.
Interviewer: “You mentioned ration drops, what is that?”
Well, you can only carry so much food with you, so they would have a designated village
and they would come over the village and kick out rations on parachutes. 38:20
Everybody would re-supply with the rations. In fact, I think that was one of the first
causalities, one of the airplanes the Colonel was on crashed into the woods. There is
quite a history about that flight. There is a place in Ohio, Franklin, Ohio that has a
museum, General Gill, our commanding General, who was in charge at this time, it was
his hometown. We would just; we couldn’t imagine what it was like ahead of us. We
knew where we were at the present, but we knew we were going toward combat because
we saw the Australians they had carried back. 39:14 The Australians were engaged and
we took over the war from them. We relieved them.
Interviewer: “did you hear the sounds of battle as you are walking?”
No, not until we got up to the Buna area and Sanananda, we didn’t hear anything. No
gunshots or artillery fire or anything like that. On the 11th day when we got there, we
were in the rear of the Australians, they told us we were going to relieve the Aussies and
take their positions over. That’s when we drove up, walked up into the positions. We
had to string wire now because those outposts out there needed information. Sadly, there
were no maps. Those officers that were civilians had nothing really, to work with, just a
little plantation map showing where the cocoanut trees were, where the rivers were,
where the trails were and the rest was all jungle. 40:21
Interviewer: “What was your job when you arrived there at that encampment in Buna?”

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�The first thing everybody did was to dig a fox hole o you had a place to go in case there
was any strafing of the enemy and by the enemy and after that we set up a switchboard
probably 36 inches long and about 18 inches wide with about 12 drops across, which
caught a crank and a little lever would drop down. Well, on the back of it were 2 posts
where we had to put our wire and our Sergeants told us where to go. 41:00
Interviewer: “Now what was that hooked up to, in terms of the wire? Where were they
going? Did you know or did you have any idea?”
Oh yes, through the training we had, we knew we were going to put field phones out
there for the officers and Sergeants to use. They would go out to all the companies. They
would go out to outposts where artillery observers were spotting or air cover, so at times
we’d be beyond the enemy lines or in back of them where the outpost was, so they could
observe the enemy when they moved. 41:41
Interviewer: “In today’s age of digital phones and all this kind of stuff, lets try to get a
better, clearer idea of – you are now in Buna, you’ve got this switchboard which has the
ability of plugging in and that plug ties you into a wire which goes out to an outpost or
goes out to another area?”
That is correct.
Interviewer: “this is physical wire, so if a bomb goes off and blows it us, you no longer
have the connection.”
That’s right.
Interviewer: “So your now there, the wires are set up, what were you actually doing?
Were you taking phone calls? Were you plugging in?
I was never a switchboard operator. There were certain men that were assigned for that,
but if you can visualize the switchboard having a little crank, if you crank it and it went
around easy it meant there was something wrong, no one would answer on the other side,
that wire was broken either by one of our troops stumbling over it or it was broken by an
explosion or deliberately cut and until that happened we stayed right back in the
command post. Once the Sergeant came up and said, “Bolt, Revada, you got to go out,
the lines open”, so we’d go up to the switchboard, “which line is it? It beeps red, ok.”
The lines were all tagged, we knew which one to follow and they would give us a 12 man
squad to protect us while we were doing the looking for it and repairing it. That’s strictly
what my duty was at that time. 43:33
Interviewer: “Now are you talking about actually leaving headquarters, following
visually a wire until you come to the point where it is broken and then repairing it-----?”
And coming back to the regimental headquarters.
Interviewer: “Give us an example, do you remember the first time you had to go out?”
I have to think for a minute.
Interviewer: “If not the first, perhaps one of the memorable.”

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�They were almost all similar, we’d get a rifle squad and follow it out and repair it. A
couple of times we got ambushed, the rifle squad would do their job; they were assigned
to spread out while we were repairing it. We always had a little bit of slack in the line so
they could pull it back to the trail. When we strung it, as the company moved forward,
we would always walk off the trail about 3 or 4 feet trying to conceal it, just stretch it on
the ground. At that time we didn’t put it in trees in the jungle when you’re in action
because obviously they would see it. 44:41 We would try to string it back off the trail.
Interviewer: “Let’s talk about the ambush.”
Well, an ambush is just what the word means. It’s the enemy sitting out there waiting for
you, deliberately cutting the wire, you’d come out with your squad and they’d have 2 or 3
men on the trail set up with a machine gun and maybe half a dozen off the trail waiting
for you to come through. I know of one incident that we got ambushed. Baker and
Spencer from that rifle company were shot in the head, both of them. The Sergeant in
charge said, “they’re dead, they’re hit in the head and there is no sense getting their
bodies now, we’ll come back later.” So, we withdrew and sat there and called for mortar
fire, mortar fire is a shell that is put in the barrel and flung forward, and they usually do
the first round in smoke to see how close they are to you and maybe another round of
smoke. All the mortars are adjusted to the degree and height and the Sergeant would say
“fire” and maybe 50 to 100 shell would go in the jungle and they would take off and you
could hear them screaming when it got in to close to them. 46:23 On one occasion, if
you visualize a triangle, the wire was cut on the A-side, we got up to repair it when the
lead scout held his hand up and said, “They’re setting up a machine gun!” I, being
anxious to get back to the base said, “let’s charge them and throw grenades at them and
get out of here.” The Sergeant said, “Oh no, no there’s too big of a company there.” So,
in the triangle were going to walk back across to the B-side of the triangle and try to go
up that way. Well, when we went down through the jungle, down off the trail, we walked
through an area where they had camped overnight and it gave us a lot of information on
the number of fires, cold ashes, their rations, rice and stuff they were eating, so they
estimated probably 100 men were in that group. We got back to B-side, called in the
information, told them we were coming back on the B-side and not to fire at us. That’s
when the engagement started. I didn’t have a compass, but fortunately Sergeant did and
he knew how to read it and he got us back safely. We still had to go up there and repair
that wire. Well, when they threw all those mortar shells in there, that cleared a lot of that
area, so then we went back that afternoon and repaired the wire. They estimated that they
had killed about 40. I didn’t go onto where the shell were, the riflemen did. I did my job
and went back. 48:13 That’s the type of ambush you could run into. Some days you
could go out there and there would be nothing, but the wire broke because something,
they needed a piece of wire for equipment or cut it, or grabbing it and walking up there,
they might have broken it.
Interviewer: “You were talking about calling back in, were you using crank
telephones?”
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�Interviewer: “So, you’ve got a wire that’s strung out there and it’s cut at a certain point.
You would ---“
We would put it on our phone, the 2 terminals and just hand crank it, which had a small
generator in it, and that would go to the switchboard, that current and it would drop a
little square lever maybe and inch by inch and the operator would plug in and get the
information from us.
Interviewer: “Where did you go from there?”
From Buna?
Interviewer: “Ya.”
Well, we stayed in Buna for something like a month and a half or 6 weeks and another
division came up to relieve us, from Pennsylvania, and we were pulled to a rear area and
spent New Years and Christmas in the rear area. If we had a little connection with the
medical department, we could get some G.I. alcohol and make a little drink up with the
orange synthetic juice they had there. From there we went back to Australia to regroup
and rebuild and get paid, we hadn’t been paid in months and they took us down to a
resort area, Tweeda and Coolingada and we were on that beach for about 5 weeks
recuperating and enjoying the Australian cities. 50: 23 We would grab a train or a bus
and go into the city for recreation on the week-end. We were issued new sweaters and
new cottons and we really looked good compared to the way we looked 4 months ahead
of that. We slept many a night with wet clothing and wet shoes that never dried out.
Your feet looked all shriveled, so this time we were really living it up. 50.48
Interviewer: “Did you see combat again after that?”
Oh yes, I stayed with the division from New Guinea we went back in January of 1944.
We went to Saidor and made a landing there, went to Kope and made a landing there.
Interviewer: “Lets talk about these landings.”
Well, You would get on a LCI, a landing craft, and from a safe base you would start out
for Saidor and make a land division, it’s just like the sound of it, it’s the same thing. The
LCI would go up to the beach, drop the front end down and you would run out of it and
up the beach. It usually was softened by artillery fire from the navy, air fire, air bomb,
bombing and once you hit the beach you’d have an assigned area to secure. There was
always a red, blue and white beach and whatever one you were assigned to you’d go in
there and that’s where you set up your post, your command post. 52:00
Interviewer: “ Was there much resistance when you first arrived?”
I can’t say there was any great resistance. There was fire of course and soldiers were hit
and killed. They were not that heavily mechanized. The first wave always got the
original fire. I was coming in on either the 2nd or 3rd wave of boats that were in there.
It’s hard to tell you because people aren’t acquainted with any of it. Actually it was
everyone running for safety to get up in the jungle. 52:39 It’s just what you have to do,
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�Interviewer: “So when you hit the beach, you’re hearing gun fire and I suppose you’re
seeing guys getting hit?”
Not too much, the first wave was pretty much up into the jungle already. Yes, we seen
the ones that were killed laying on the beach.
Interviewer: “Then you get into the jungle itself and you secure your area, what
happens next?”
Well, that’s where the battalion commanders call back and tell them what they’re facing.
Then the headquarters officers stationed with us, the Colonels, they make a decision
which way to move, which way to go, to call for artillery, or to call for bombing. On one
occasion we were supposed to set on the red beach and when we went in and got maybe a
mile into shore we heard planes approaching and we said, “oh, oh, here they come”, and
it was our own planes bombing an air strip. The ground was just like jelly, we were
laying there and we said, “this isn’t right, they’re almost hitting us.” Then the Captain
came up behind us and said, “what the hell are you doing up here?” our Sergeant turned
around and said, “ were trying to get to red beach” and he said, “you’re not even on red
beach “, so we landed, we landed right, but instead of turning right, the Sergeants and
officers took us to the left. 54:27 For once we knew what it was like right up at the front
where the bombs were hitting.
Interviewer: “So in terms of what your job was, were you running wire at this time or
were you just part of the group moving forward?”
We were part of the group that was moving forward and we were going to set up the
command post, but after we told where are beach landing was over there, we razzed our
Sergeants and officers quite a bit, set up our command post, dug our fox holes and waited
for further orders to advance. 55:10
Interviewer: “You got the further orders to advance?
Yes.
Interviewer: “ Where did you go from there?”
Well, we’d go up further into the jungle to drive the enemy back. Sometimes you would
sit there 2 days, 3 days before you would move, before they found out how to get through
the line and how to surround them. Remember again, they didn’t have no great maps like
they did in Europe or any other country.
Interviewer: “Some of the other Red Arrows were talking about the snipers as a
constant threat, did you have a problem with the snipers?”
Yea, we did. We had 3 or 4 sharp shooters in our company and we drew fire from the
snipers and a couple of our men got hit and they got this sharp shooter up there to fire up
there into the tree, they would wait for him to fire so they knew where he was. They
would pick them off, but most of them would fall out of the trees into the earth, but some
of them were tied in with a rope or vine or something. They were probably cautious;
afraid they would fall out of the tree. 56:27

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�Interviewer: “So, that particular battle was actually won, right? You guys got
through?”
Yea, they cut a line between the Aitepe and Saidor and the enemy were divided. We had
them surrounded so they made an effort to get through and they picked them off as they
came through. 57:08
Interviewer: “From there that island was secured?”
Yes.
Interviewer: “So, where did you go from there?”
After we left Saidor, we went to Aitepe and from Aitepe we had the same experience
there. We were there about 100 days, 3 months at Aitepe and from there we went to
Morotai and did the same procedure, fight the enemy. Then from there we went to
Morotai and at Morotai we were told we were going to be part of MacArthur’s division
when he landed for returning so we practiced marching. Would you believe it, in the
jungle? For about 2 weeks we were marching completely every day to make us look
sharp and organized. 57:58 Well, that ‘s where were going to go, were going to go to
Manila, but in the meantime on Leyte Island the Japs had broken through the defenses
there and they needed another division. That was us, we were ready to go so we got rid
of our cottons and all of our nice looking wear and put on the old uniform again. We
made a landing on leyte in January of 1945 and secured the beach, went up the tail and it
wasn’t long after that that we got into an engagement with the enemy. 58:41 We drove
them back, you have to remember we were forced to face the most, well the Japanese
Imperial Army was just like the marines best division, they’ve never been defeated and
any obstacle they went to get they were successful. The 32nd division was the first
division that defeated them completely every place we met them. 59:06
Interviewer: “I have talked to obviously to the infantry guys and other members of the
“Red Arrow”, but when you go into an engagement with the enemy, what actually are
you doing?”
Well, what were actually doing is, communication was so vital because one Colonel had
to know what one company is doing and what another company was doing so they could
maneuver through the jungle and get behind the enemy lines, or wait for them to come
down the trail. 59:37 I would string the wire, we would string the wire out so you had
communications. They also had a radio operator with them with the old hand crank
generator. They would send out Morse Code. Well, we’d wait until we got orders to
move forward again to another area. 59:59
Interviewer: “I guess it may not be clear to people the kind of danger you were in,
because while an infantry guy is literally there with a gun and he is looking to defend
himself or his fellow soldiers, your mind has to be focused on that, but your also focused
on getting the wire out into the jungle.”
That’s true. Well, it’s a duty you have to perform. I was very fortunate that I was never
hit. I was shot at, but I never was hit and I can honestly say I can’t remember ever killing
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�do, but I never really walked up to a body and said, “this is one that I got”. By the grace
of God I got through the way that I did. 1:05
Interviewer: “Now, that particular battle was what? You only alluded to it and it was a
very fierce battle. You were up against the top Japanese force and your group overcame,
that’s one of the reasons why the “Red Arrow” is so well known, because of that. Did
you find that your enemy was as their reputation deserved, that they were a fierce enemy
to fight against?” 1:33
They were very well trained, they were very clever and they were very well camouflaged.
They use to come out of spider holes; you never knew where they would be next. Our
division took great pride in that we accomplished as much as we did. At all our reunions,
we get together we occasionally talk about it. Yes, we walk with pride. 1:59
Interviewer: “You know one thing that is kind of hard to get across is that if you’re in
an environment that Europe for example, your fighting house to house, jungle fighting is
completely unique. You have the weather against you, major tropical diseases, malaria
and what not. We haven’t even talked about malaria and things like that. Were there
people around you who were affected? Were you affected?”
Well, I fortunate in one way, there was myself and a man by the name of Bonzell, we
were the last 2 to get malaria in our company. 2:39
Strange as it must be, I got malaria in the hospital. I was taking my pills faithfully, they
were atabrine, it’s like synthetic quinine and it kind of controlled the mosquito bites. I
went into the hospital for yellow jaundice and while I was in there, about 2 weeks, I woke
up one night with the shakes, cold then hot. I hollered out to the ward boy and he came
down and said, “what?” I said,” can I have some medicine, I got a fever?” He said,
“OK’ and he brought me medicine and they wrote it in the report. The Captain came
down the next day and talked to me. He said,” have you ever had malaria before?” I
said,” never” and he said, “have you been out of the hospital?” I said, “no I haven’t, I
stayed right in the hospital.” “Have you had any visitors?” “No.” He said, “oh nuts.” I
said, “what’s the matter?” He said, “I’ve got to call for spraying the whole hospital area
because you got malaria right here in the hospital” 3:54 So the rest of the day they were
spraying the whole area with planes to get the mosquitoes that were in there. I also had a
amoeba dysentery, it’s the worst kind of dysentery you can get. It’s a little parasite that
clings to the bowel wall and ulcerates it. It eats away at the bowel and I had that. It took
something like maybe 4 months for it to clear up. It’s unbelievable how miserable you
can be with all these diseases and illness.
Interviewer: “One of the things that is really amazing that I heard from the other
members of the “Red Arrow” group was that even if you did have malaria on the line,
that didn’t necessarily you were going home or into the hospital.”
No, it didn’t help you a bit. You had to stay. I can remember my buddy, Joe Ravadas, in
the fox hole next to me, he was a Corporal at that time and my boss, he had a 104° fever
and I took care of him and brought him canteens of water, I tried to give him food to eat,
but you had to have more than 105° to get back to the base to the hospitals. 5:13 There
were times we had maybe 50 to 100 men in the front on our flank and most of them had
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�Interviewer: “And still fight. That is the hard thing. Malaria makes you so weak that a
gun becomes very hard to handle and still having to shoot it and defend your life, it’s
hard to even imagine.” 5:35
It’s possible the human body can stand that much pain and misery and still be able to
fight, you’re right.
Interviewer: “what happened when you got out of the hospital?”
Well, I had lost, I was probably down to 120 pounds, I’d grown a mustache and I went
back to the company street where they were based in leyte and walked up the street and I
hollered “hi Jim how are ya?” and the guy said, “who are you? Are you a replacement?”
and I said, “no, I’m Bolt” and he said, “no you’re not Bolt, I don’t recognize you.” I said,
“I am” and he said, “you’re so skinny.” That’s what happened, that diarrhea did that. In
fact they had me on baby food for something like 30 days to see of they could stop it. I
wasn’t allowed any solid food. 6:35 They hand out a yellow slip for the baby food and a
red slip for the meat, so when you went through you had to give a slip. I traded a couple
of times with guys who were playing cards and didn’t want to go to dinner. I said, “give
me your red slip, I got to have something to eat solid.” That is some of the humor that
happened down there. 6:55
Interviewer: “So after you got out of the hospital, you went back to your unit. What
happened then?”
Well, I got back to the unit; they were in a rest area cleaning their equipment and doing
the things that you do in a rest area when we got orders to leave Leyte and go to Luzon
and to go up the Villa Verde trail. Around January of 1945 we went up to the Villa
Verde trail, our landing was safe because it had already been secured, and we came in
and talked to a few of the natives in this village while we waited for further orders and
the enemy had a bonsai attack, which is an all out attack. They scream and they run at
you and fire at you. I kind of figured they took a little dope to get that high they really
worked them up. We had to go forward to get the land we had lost on the trail, so we
went forward, our division did and we started our mopping up from May of 1945 to
August of 1945. That gave us a total of 660 days of combat, which no other division had
done. 8:19 That’s where I discharged or started my return, at Luzon in the Philippines.
Interviewer: “So you never got a chance to watch MacArthur’s return?”
No, I didn’t see it. Some of the men of our division did get to see it.
Interviewer: “Yes, Janicki told me he was on the beach when he came.”
Yea, he was on the beach when he came.
Interviewer: “That was a great story he told by the way, you’ll have to watch it. Let’s
talk about these banzai charges. I know what one is, but try to give us an idea for
someone who has no idea what that means.”
Well, it’s an all out attack. The Japanese soldiers work themselves into a frenzy. “Do
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�that they did because they came charging at us like they were insane, just disregarding
their lives at all; they just keep coming, charge, charge.
Interviewer: “Were these like bayonet charges or fire?”
Bayonet and fire, they were running.
Interviewer: “They just come out of the jungle? Tearing at you and you have to just
shoot and shoot?”
Yea, I didn’t get in on the shooting end of it. 9:44 From the stories I heard from the
other men, they would fire their machine guns, the barrel would get red hot and they
would have to either replace the barrel or get another gun. They just kept coming.
Interviewer: “Where were you when these were happening? You were at the command
post?”
Yes, I was at the command post.
Interviewer: “So you’re actually part of the team that is hearing this.”
Yea, were about ½ a mile behind the line. We could hear the firing and the shelling and
grenade explosions. It wouldn’t last too long, maybe 15 minutes and we were either
successful or defeated. 10:26
Interviewer: “Was there any sense throughout, I know this is a very difficult question to
answer, but you were listening to all the different communications and your part of the
communications team, was there any sense at all that you guys were winning or losing?”
Well, we knew we were winning because we were advancing. As for the information
that was fed back to us, it was very little except casualties, a couple of times we had to
help carry them out, grave registration was part of our company. They would go out and
dig the holes, take the dog tags, mark it on a map where the bodies were so you could
recover them later. It was difficult only because where we were we knew that a company
was successful or not, the rest of the information was just passed down verbally. 11:28
Interviewer: “So, finally you get a chance to go home?”
Ok, I had—the first group that went out had—I think, if I remember correctly, had to
have 88 points or something like that. You got points by the time you were in the
service, the number of months you were in combat. Unfortunately if you were in the
hospital that didn’t give you 2 points, it only gave you 1 point, so I wasn’t one of the first
ones to get out. 12:04 We got mail from the guys that were the first ones out with the
higher points. The National Guard would have higher points because they were in the
state longer than we were. I was up on the front when I got informed that I would be
going out in July, first it was June, then they, in the period of the month of June, they
changed the procedure for points and that’s when I lost points because I was in the
hospital, so I got the feeling that I would never get home. 12:42 I had written to
Virginia, the girl I was engaged to, I wrote to her and told her that she should get on with
her life because I was never getting out. I was discouraged, depressed and she wrote
back, “I’m going to wait no matter how long it is”. So, that kept me going and made me
feel better. Finally July came and I was called up and they said, “we want to give you

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�your staff Sergeant rank, I was a T5, they said, “ were going to give you a Staff Sergeant
rank”, and I said, “What for?” and they said, “Well, you going back and there’s a rank
open.” I said, “I don’t want the rank, just get me out of here.” So, I went back to Manila
in July and waited for the boats. We were there about a week and they loaded the boats
and I started home. 13:44 We arrived at Hawaii about the 1st of August, maybe the later
part of July, we sat in the harbor there while they took on water and supplies and we
weren’t allowed to go into Hawaii, just a certain designated group that probably were
Colonels or higher up or Captains were permitted to go. That of course caused a lot of
distress and hollering, the guys were yelling at them when they got on the boat to go into
shore. 14:20 We were there only overnight then the next morning we took off and
arrived at San Francisco about the first of August. We were taken to an auditorium and
we were offered a 30 day vacation in Miami Florida then get a discharged later, lose that
wanted to didn’t go to Miami, they only had 6 men stand up out of about 1,000 in the
auditorium that took the vacation and we kind of booed them and told them there would
be another 30 days, but I think they kind of won up because I got out of the service on
August 6th. I had a couple other buddies with me and they said, “where are we going to
meet you?” We went alphabetically and their names were lower than ours. We said, “at
the first subway station and the first bar that is closest to the subway station under the
stairway. We’ll wait for you there.” So, we did. We got out about 1:30 that afternoon
and they arrived about 3:30 and they wanted us to stay and have a few drinks and we
said, “no, were going into Chicago and we’ve got to hurry.” So, we went into Chicago
and unfortunately the train schedule wasn’t in our favor. It was already loaded and we
had to stay overnight. 15:46 So, all of us had a party that night and we got haircuts,
massages, facials and all that, the whole works. The next day was August the 6th, I forgot
august the 6th was the day we went into Chicago. I told you about the atomic bomb
being dropped, well that’s the day I got out of the service. The papers said it would be
over within weeks and they were right. Then we got into Chicago and left on august the
7th on a train for Grand Rapids and of course it was a milk run, every station we had to
stop, railroad station. I got to Grandville oh, about I’d say just about dark, dusk about
7:00 at night and I knew the next stop was our Union Depot here and of course I had my
barracks bag with me and my supplies that were in the bag, things that I had saved. 17:02
Interviewer: “ In uniform?”
Yes, in uniform. When I arrived at the Grand Rapids depot I was going to walk and my
legs were shaking, I couldn’t walk so I threw the old barracks bag over my shoulder and
started running down the tracks. I was able to run better, I ran into the depot and there
was my mother and father, Virginia, my wife to be and her family, all my relations and
friends that were there waited for us to come and from there we went to my folks house
and had coffee and cake. 17:38 That was the end of my military career. I was finished.
Interviewer: “I know it is very difficult, but just for the families record, not the historical
record, try to give us an idea of what it was like when you ran into that depot and there
they all were?”
Well, it was something I was waiting for, for years. My heart was racing and I looked at
my folks, they were 5 years older, 41/2 years older, my dad was in his topcoat, he looked
great, he had a hat on and a cigar in his mouth. My mother had her big hat on and she
was crying of course, I hugged them both and my sisters were there and I hugged them. I

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�didn’t find Virginia, and I thought,” where is she?” She was hiding behind someone to
see if I would ask for her I guess, I had a sinking feeling right ten and there that there was
something wrong if I didn’t see her, I though, “ oh, oh she’s married to somebody else
and didn’t tell me or something.” It turned out all right. 18:51
Interviewer: “Well Martin, I just want to say thank you very much, not only for the
interview, but as I say to a lot of vet, my father was one as well, we wouldn’t have the
freedoms that we have today if you had not done the things that you did for us and for
your country. Were going to end with a request that you made about setting the record
straight about the name Bolt. I didn’t forget, I didn’t forget.”
It was interesting when my sisters went into nurses training, nobody could pronounce the
name Bult, it’s B U L T, so she went in to register at nursing as the name Bolt so she told
her dad about it and he said, “that’s ok because your name will change anyway when
your married.” All the girls continued with Bolt, it sounded better than Bult and I went in
service, I went to school under Bolt, when I went into the service, I went in under Bolt
and while I was in service the FBIO came up to the house and said, “where’s Minzol
Bult?” That’s the Dutch name for Martin. “Where’s Mr. Bult, he didn’t register and we
can’t find him”, and she said, “my son’s in New Guinea”, they said, “no, no”, they didn’t
believe her at first. Finally they talked to some other witnesses and neighbors and civil
authorities they knew and they realized that I was in the service. 20:30 When I got
home I went back to the telephone company and I had to show, to get my job back, I had
to show my birth certificate to make sure, it was some form they had to have, so I brought
my birth certificate over there and he said, “what’s this? Is that a typo error?” No, I
said,” it’s Bult and he said, “you can’t be employed here other than under the name of
Bolt, you’ll have to get it changed legally”, and I thought, “ oh no, not that”. He said,
“all your insurance papers, all your discharge papers, everything on the record is under
Bolt so your going to have to change it if you want to continue working here or go under
Bult”. 21:11 So, I went home and told dad the situation it was and he said, “don’t
bother, just go change it and legally make it Bolt, I can understand it.” So, I went back
down to the city hall and had it changed legally to Bolt. There is quite a bit of difference
between Minzo Hindrick Bult and Martin Henry Bolt.
Interviewer: “That’s for the record, thank you so much, that was wonderful.”
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                    <text>Grand Valley State University
Veterans History Project
Robert Bolinder
(01:46:00)
Introduction (00:17)
Family and Pre-enlistment (00:44)
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Born in the Bronx, NY in 1923. His family moved to NJ a year after he was born. For many
years his father worked as a sales representative at Union Flight Waxing Company. Bolinder
graduated high school in 1940.

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Took a year at Newark College for Engineering and then began taking night classes at NYU
his 2nd year. At the same time, he worked for a gyroscope company training making
gyroscopes, the predecessor to radar.

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Bolinder mentions the patriotism that Americans displayed with the aftermath of Pearl
Harbor. He mentions that just about every man he knew went and joined the army soon
thereafter. (04:07)

Enlistment and Training (4:20)
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The U.S. Government at the turn of 1940 did away with the requirements that college kids
needed to be 21 yrs of age and have 4 years of college to join the army. They moved the age
down to 18 yrs of age. After passing his entry exams Bolinder was accepted into the Army
Air Corps as of Feb. 6th 1940. (04:39) Was put on furlough between February and August at
$21/month and 44 cents in rations a day. The point of this was to keep these servicemen
available for active duty.

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Went to Santa Ana, CA for pre-flight training. His training consisted of mathematics and
drilling. While there he trained with PT-22 planes and was able to go solo in the allotted
time of 9 hours. While training here, his mother requested he come to his sister’s wedding
upon which he refused because he was still in the transitional stage of training with B-25s.

�

After training there he went to, Colorado where he learned how to operate twin engine
planes. (08:26) While there he got his 2nd Lieutenant’s commission and graduated from
there on May 20th 1943. Mentions that a month before graduation he and 19 others signed
up for night fighter training. (14:51)

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Bolinder goes on to mention that many of his friends went on to join the heavy bomber
squadrons that were flying over Europe. Many that went to Europe did not survive. (15:58)

�

Went to Orlando, FL soon after and trained with A-20 aircraft. While there he mentions
doing such exercises as flying low-level dives at 500 ft. and going through simulated flying
situations. Spent about a month in Orlando before being sent to another base in FL. (21:12)

�Bolinder describes that they had had switch pods instead of lights for markers when landing.
He and other trainees lived in tents.
�

Briefly mentions that his CEO had previously flown with observational planes before
joining the night fighters. Also mentions that he was part of a program called AFSAT (Air
Force School of Applied Tactics) The airfield he was based at served as the headquarters for
this program.

�

Describes his thoughts on how fast the U.S. government mobilized an effective air force.
Bolinder mentions that he was in Florida from the middle of August 42’ to January 43’. At
that point, the government decided to move the program to Saluditos, CA. For the next few
months, Boldiner spent his time flying and taking an airplane identification class. (29:59)

�

After this, Bolinder boarded a troop train from California which went to Camp Kilmer, NJ.
He was there a week getting last minute shots and training before joining his squadron.
While there, he briefly mentions that a radar observer accidentally shot himself in the foot
while cleaning some side-arms.

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From there, they boarded troop ships bound for Europe on March 23rd 1943. Describes the
journey across the ocean in some detail. The reception they got from the people of Glasgow,
United Kingdom was warm and cordial. It was decided while in England to increase the
number of fighter planes from 20 to 30 per squadron because it would be more efficient.
(38:36)

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Bolinder mentions that he spent some time at a base near Bath, England, from April to midMay. After their time there they were stationed at Darlington, about 70 miles north of York.
Based at a base called Scorpion they started training with AT-17s. About mid-June they had
worked up to training with P-61s. These planes he mentions could go 420 mph at 20,000 ft.
Bolinder mentions that they flew 5 out of 7 nights a week.

�

On one occasion, a British pilot flew one and came back and said that it was the worst plane
he had ever flown. His report caused so much of a stir amongst the chain of command that
that there was a competition between the British Mosquito of the 422nd and the P-61 of the
423rd Night Fighter Squadron. (43:30)

Combat Experiences (45:31)
•

•

•

About 6 weeks after D-Day they started flying missions out of the city of Cherbourg, FR.
He mentions that they served as the defensive force behind the 1st Army for the course of
World War II.
Bolinder mentions that air force squadrons remained in frequent contact with ground
control. Every time an unidentified aircraft was spotted ground control would report their
exact location to air squadrons so they could drop down quickly and eliminate the target.
Bolinder describes his time going on interceptor missions in July 44’. At Chateaudun, he
describes getting ready for a battle that never came. Makes the observation that throughout
history Paris is known as the city that was never ransacked. Shares his thoughts on the
liberation of Paris (49:43)

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3 weeks following the liberation of Paris, he was stationed in Belgium. At that time the
airports in Belgium were repaired enough for airplanes to fly out and support Patton. All the
missions he flew out of there were night missions into Germany. (50:12) Describes the
missions he flew out of Belgium.

•

On Sept. 15 1944, he mentions that he began to see more German activity taking place.
Mentions that the city of Aachen had switched hands over 5 times. (53:10)

•

Bolinder describes his time flying A-10s and going on precision bombing missions. He
mentions that German aircraft often avoided American A-10s to go after the British heavy
bombers flying to and from the Rhone Valley. Also mentions that British heavy bombers
usually had no fighter cover in combat and that they would be easy targets for German
aircraft. Also mentions that he did some interceptor missions on buzz bombs. Eventually
other methods were developed to deal with them such as shooting up a wall of flak and
distract the bomb so that it would explode in route. (01:02:00)

•

Briefly mentions an encounter in which one of his friends shot down a buzz bomb which
ended up destroying an American supply depot and killing quite a few American
servicemen. On another occasion a buzz bomb exploded a quarter of a mile from his
position in a village.

•

After Feb. 1945, he left for England and checked into a hospital where he underwent a
physical and was told that he could no longer do combat missions because his eyesight was
bad (01:03:13) but still could fly.

•

Afterward, he was transferred to the flight section of the 9th Tactical Air Force in March 45’.
At about this time, served as an operations officer. Briefly mentions events happening on the
Eastern Front. One night, he was informed to cease all night missions from 7pm to 10pm.
The next day he found out that the Allies had crossed the Remagan Bridge into Germany.
Was informed by an intelligence officer later that if the order had been given to attack two
targets near the Remagan Bridge, that they would have bombed the 9th Armored Division
crossing the bridge. (01:05:39)

•

Bolinder mentions that he served aboard a C-47 carrying Gen. Hodges of 1st Army and Gen.
Sterling of his division on their trip to an airfield north of Leipzig, Germany. For fear of the
airfield being mined he was told to land in the grass. After landing, he joined the company
in a jeep which drove 20 miles to Torgau, Germany where they met with Marshall Zhukov.
This was the first official meeting between Americans and Russians. (01:07:55)

•

Mentions have a brief dinner with the general of the 69th Inf. Division. Describes the
experience in some detail. (01:11:25) Was then chosen by Gen. Sterling to be his personal
pilot. Served in this capacity for about 2 months. Then heard that his squadron was heading
back to the states to receive training in the invasion of Japan.

•

He describes the events leading up to the Battle of the Bulge. Mentions that the assumption
by Allied intelligence was that the Germans were going to conduct a counter-offensive in
the spring of 44’ but instead were completely surprised when they attacked in winter
through the Ardennes region.

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The night of Sept. 16th and 17th Bolinder mentions that he was conducting routine patrols
when he came upon a German Focke-Wulf190 which he quickly shot down and saw go
down burning. After returning to base, he reported the kill but was not credited for the kill.
Two months later it was finally verified that a unit saw the pilot from the aircraft parachute
down and was quickly captured. (01:19:42)

•

In another instance, Bolinder communicates to GCI at seeing a lot of activity. He mentions
shooting down a Heinkel 111, an ME 110 and possibly another Heinkel 111. (01:23:34)
Didn’t receive the Silver Star until May 45’. Mentions that everybody was there doing the
job they were trained to do not to receive some reward.

Going Home (01:24:00)
•

About the 1st of July Bolinder’s squadron was transferred from Castle, Germany to Rheims,
FR. While there the atom bomb was dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The situation
after that changed what happened next dramatically. (01:25:18) Stayed in Rheims for the
month of August 45’ but was then moved to Camp Herbert-Torrington up near Le Havre,
France for a month waiting for a boat.

•

From there, he boarded a Liberty ship and crossed the Atlantic in 14 days. Upon landing in
Boston on Oct. 5th, 1945 he was met by a welcoming party. Went to a camp right outside
Boston and about a week later his squadron was disbanded. By Monday morning, he
boarded a troop train bound for Fort Dix, NJ. (1:26:55) Upon getting off, he was able to
obtain a pass to visit his parents who he had not seen in 2 years. (01:27:30)

After the War (1:28:44)
•

After being discharged, he went on to marry his wife and shares briefly how they met.
(01:28:44) Then describes his time in the Reserves and service in the Korean War. In 1951,
he was stationed in Panama, FL and then Biloxi, Mississippi undergoing more training.
(01:32:24) Briefly mentions his time there. From there he was transferred to Waco, TX
where he was stationed for a little while.

•

After the service, he worked for Union Carbide for many years until he changed careers and
went into the publishing industry working for Zondervan and Tyndale Publishing
Companies. Finally, shares his personal thoughts on the army and how it helped him to grow
in maturity. (01:46:01)

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MILITARY HISTORY FOR CAPT. ROBERT G.BOLINDER
Bob was born June 6,1923 in New York, NY. He moved to Teaneck, NJ
with his parents and sister when he was one year old. He grew up in Teaneck
and graduated from Teaneck High School in June 1940. He attended Newark
College of Engineering, Newark, NJ.
He remembers well our country's "day of infamy," December 7, 1941 .
."His four closest friends joined the Army, on December 8.
Bob volunteered for pilot training in the U.S. Army Air Corps on January 3,
1942, even though he had never been up in an airplane. He was sworn into
the Air Corps on April 6, 1942 and called to active duty to become an
Aviation Cadet in early August, 1942 training on the west coast.
He graduated from Advanced Multi-Engine School May 20, 1943. A month
before graduating, he along with 19 other graduates, volunteered to enter the
new, mysterious, Night Fighter program. After two months of multi-engine
transition training at La Junta, Colorado, flying B-25's, night fighter training
commenced in Orlando, FL. There he "connected," with his Radar Observer,
Flight Officer Bob "Shorty" Graham. They would be crewmates for the
balance of the war.
Training was completed the end ofNovember, 1943. We trained in twin
engine, single cockpit P-70's, the Night Fighter version of the A-20. He
joined the422nd "Green Bats," Night Fighter Squadron in Bath, England in
March, 1944. In April, the Squadron moved to Scorton, England, north of
York in April. In May, we finally received our P-61 Black Widows. Here,
we intensively re-trained for about 6 weeks to familiarize ourselves with the
P-61.
The 422nd,s first combat was to engage the German pilotless V-I "Buzz
Bombs." Four were destroyed in 1 week. The Squadron moved to
Cherbourg, France in mid-July. Where the Allied position was still a
"beachhead," About 10 days after we arrived, General Patton's Third army
"broke through," the enemy lines at St. Lo, France.
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The 422 moved about 1 week later to Chateaudun.Erance where we
were expected to provide "night cover," for the battle to liberate Paris,
However, the Germans abandoned Paris and in early September, the 422nd
moved to Florennes, Belgium, about 60 miles south of Brussels. Here, we
"settled in," to provide "night cover," for General Hodges 1st Army as we all
battled to defeat the Third Reich.
The 422nd,s big battle was the Battle of the Bulge, which started on the night
of December 16,17, 1944. That night Bob Graham and I flew 2 missions,
engaging 4 enemy aircraft. We destroyed 3 and probably crest} @j ed1:he"'~.
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destroyed the 4 . During this great battle, which lasted about 3 weeks, our
squadron flew "night cover," for the 101 st Airborne Division which was
surrounded by the German army. After 1 week, Gen Patton's 3rd army broke
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through the enemy lines to rescue the 101 st. The 422 was awarded the
Presidential Unit Citation for protecting the 101 st and for destroying a total
of 17 enemy planes during the Battle of the Bulge. Bob Graham and I were
awarded the Silver Star medal by the United States and the Distinguished
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In March, 1945 my vision deteriorated and I had to wear glasses when I
flew. I transferred to the 9 th Tactical Air Force Flight Section and finished
the war as a Mission Pilot. I had the privilege of flying General Hodges and
his Staff in a C-47 to Torgau, Germany for the first official meeting with
Marshal Zukov and the Russian Army. Later I became the personal pilot to
Brig. General Stearley, Commanding Officer of the 9 th Tactical Air Corps.
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I rejoined the 422 Night Fighter Squadron to return to the United States in
June, 1945. By the time we got back to the United States, the war in the
Pacific was over and I was discharged at Fort Dix New Jersey in early
October, 1945.
In February, 1951 I was recalled to the new United States Air Force. I flew
another 1,000 hours in B-25's training Radar Observers for F-89's and F­
94' s. I was separated from this 2nd tour of duty in July, 1952

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Korean War
Murl Bogert
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Background Information (00:08)
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Served in the Korean Conflict (00:09)
Enlisted in the Marine Reserve in 1950 prior to the outbreak of the Korean War. (00:28)
He was deferred from going overseas for 1 year due to his physical condition (00:45)

Overview of Service (1:04)
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He attended basic training for 6 weeks at Parris Island, South Carolina. (1:04)
After basic he was sent to California for 2-3 months for Advanced Combat training. (1:11)
He was sent to Korea aboard a troop ship. (1:26)
He landed in Korea on July 4th 1952. (1:35)
Murl was then sent to P’anmunjom Korea. (2:08)
He spent 6 months at P’anmunjom where he sent supplies to troops in the surrounding area by
train. (2:33)
Murl was in what was considered a peace radius. Men were not supposed to carry ammunition
in this radius. There was, however, a tank battalion next door to Murl’s position. (3:10)
He was then sent to Ascom city where he did more supplies transport. (3:52)
He was given a 30 day leave while in Korea. (4:26)
On January 1st 1954 Murl was discharged. (4:53)
Discharge papers. (5:28)

Medals an Memorabilia (5:54)
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He received an award for being an outstanding recruit in boot camp. (5:54)
In 2003, Murl won a lottery to send several veterans of the Korean War to Korea for week.
(6:50)
In 1953 Murl thought Seoul Korea was in shambles. When he saw it in 2003 he was taken aback
by how nice it was. (8:14)
Campaign ribbons (Korean Service Medal, Presidential Citation Medal, and National Defense
Service Medal). (9:06)
This medal was received through the American Legion. (10:30)
Pictures of service. (10:40)
He was awarded a medal by the Commanding General of the Marine Corps when he was in
Korea in 2003. (11:18)

Slide Show of Pictures (12:37)

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Veterans History Project
Orville Boerman
Korean War
(33:40)
(00:25) Background Information
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Orville was born on October 22, 1933 in Allegan County, Michigan
His parents were farmers, but lost their farm during the Depression
His father then worked for another farmer and was able to buy his old farm back in 1942
Orville quit school when he was 16 and began working in a factory and helping his father
on the farm
He was drafted into the Army in May of 1953

(03:05) Training
 Orville was sent to Fort Knox, Tennessee for basic training and often had guard duty
 They spent a lot of time marching, working with artillery, and he also had KP
 Orville was in basic training for 8 weeks and then went through truck mechanic school
for another 8 weeks
 He worked on jeeps, ¾ ton Dodge pick-ups, and 2.5 ton trucks
 Orville had one week on leave to go home before he was sent overseas and he got
married while back home in Michigan
 In March of 1954 he was sent to Germany on a troop ship and they experienced very bad
weather on the way
(10:15) Germany
 There were some parts of Germany that were sill bombed out from the war, but the
countryside was very pretty
 Orville worked on a base about 45 miles from Frankfurt with a transportation company
 They helped move around an artillery unit and its supplies
 Orville was in charge of maintaining 10 trucks
 They had alerts about once a month to train for a Russian attack
 They would train near the Czechoslovak border and could hear Russians on the other side
blowing off cannons
(15:40) Living on Base
 They did not have not much contact with civilians
 Orville did not like to drink so he did not go out much, but did like to go bowling and
travel around the countryside and saw quite a few old castles

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There were some Germans working on their base, but mostly just service work
Orville wrote letters back and forth with his wife and called her on Christmas; it cost $24
for a 3 minute phone call
He did get to see the autobahn and thought it was very impressive
The trucks he worked on did not break down very often, but there was a lot of routine
scheduled maintenance

(21:45) End of Service
 Orville had been stationed near the Rhine River and when his time was almost up he
planned on taking a week off to visit France, Belgium, and the Netherlands
 Right before he was about to leave, his trip was cancelled because he had to stick around
for yearly IG inspection of all the vehicles and equipment
 Most men in Germany had to stay one year before being sent back to the US
(26:30) Discharged
 Orville left Germany in April 1955, though many had tried to get him to re-enlist; he was
told he would be promoted to sergeant and that his wife could live with him in Germany
 Orville went back to his old job working on the railroad, but was later laid off
 He began working in maintenance at a hospital and then later for Grand Valley College
 Orville eventually got a job working in a GM plant in Coopersville, Michigan and later
retired

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(02:25) Training
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(13:10) Pearl Harbor
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(16:35) Silversides
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• Many Japanese ships case out loose mines in an attempt to blow up US ships
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(23:00) The End of the War
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Gerald felt that Guam was very nice with “fantastic facilities”
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(27:00) Baseball
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(29:50) Submarine Life
• There was no actual daily routine because they were almost always submerged
and working odd hours
• If they had to work in the middle of the night, they would have to wear infrared
goggles to get used to the darkness
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Joseph Boball
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(00:25) Background Information
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• He also worked in Korea with the 101st division of engineers
(3:15) Boot Camp
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• Once he caught fleas from a horse
• He wrote a letter every day to his family, but received letters only once every three weeks
(35:15) The End of Service
• They had heard that the US had a secret weapon that they were going to use against Japan
• 90 men had died in combat the night before the bombs were dropped

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Their ship had been hit by a typhoon while in docked in Okinawa
They took a ship back to Seattle and many people got sick along the way
He was given a big steak dinner and then he took a train to Chicago

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• He did not enjoy his time in the service, but someone had to stop the Japanese and
Germans from invading more countries

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Pre-Enlistment
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Enlistment
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• Went to electronics school in Detroit, MI (8:40)
• Belonged to VFW for several years, but does not currently (9:00)
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Lamar Bloss
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(0:15) Background
Born in Munster, Indiana (0:30)
Mother had tuberculosis so he had to live with his uncle for 4 years (0:43)
Went back to live at home when he was 5 years old (0:56)
His parents had 4 children but two died during the Great Depression (1:40)
Father worked on the railroad for a living (2:00)
Went to school in a one-room school and then went to high school in Bristol, Indiana (2:35)
Was really good at book keeping and ran track in school (3:00)
When he graduated had no idea what he wanted to do; worked in paper mill with brother (5:05)
Next he worked as a chemist making citric acid out of corn syrup (5:45)
Next he worked for city of Elkhart, Indiana monitoring pollution of the river (7:35)
Met his wife Betty at a restaurant at age 16 and they got married (9:15)
Married for 3 years before he went into the service and had kids after he got out of service (9:36)
(9:39) Training
Sent to Fort Riley, Kansas for basic training after he was drafted (9:44)
Didn’t have any trouble with training, he was probably one of the oldest guys there (10:27)
Cross country and track running helped him through basic training (10:51)
Not given a specific job, told to do what he could to help out (10:55)
Got to spend Christmas with his family and then on New Year’s he was sent to Korea (11:01)
(11:10) Active Duty
On the fourth day of him being there he was told to take over an enemy position (11:15)
Was able to bring 5 men with him so he picked the ones that he trusted most (11:26)
Did this with only 4 days of training when he was supposed to have 2 weeks (12:28)
Put in position of leadership as a private; didn’t order anything that he wouldn’t do (13:17)
Was doing private first class work as a private (13:30)
He and the group of 5 men were in charge of taking Pork-chop hill (14:30)
While trying to take the hill he experienced hand to hand combat, but kept fighting (15:06)
Believes that hunting as a child helped him in combat when firing weapons (15:45)
During first year and half he was there they captured 3 hills: Baldi, Porkchop, &amp; T-bone (17:04)
While in the field they survived on K rations: potatoes, eggs, fresh vegetables (18:35)
Did everything they could to keep men safe; still some were killed and injured (19:25)
Mostly concerned with getting the job done and getting the hell out of there (19:55)
Insisted on taking communion from military chaplain before going up the hill (20:29)
During active duty he got 2 weeks of rest time and he stayed at British embassy in China (21:02)
While Lamar was deployed his wife stayed with her mother and father (22:15)

�(22:41) Graves Registration
The next duty he was put on was Grave registration services (22:41)
This involved retrieving the dead bodies of fallen soldiers and preparing them for burial (23:30)
Drove truck and collected bodies with stretchers and brought them back to the morgue (24:33)
He was the only soldier allowed to go into the morgue (25:30)
Hardest thing he had to do was take all personal affects off the dead bodies (25:57)
Next sent to the third division for a couple of months; didn’t know where to put him (26:51)
Told to start a store where the troops could spend their money (27:30)
Drove into town and bought anything that he could: cameras, watches, food (27:55)
Did this job for the rest of his service in Korea 8 months (28:25)
Became good friends with a man names Wiley Brookshire while running store (28:30)
Wiley Brookshire now owns the stores all over the state of Texas (30:09)
He was asked by Wiley to drive trucks for the his stores; but he declined (31:04)
Thought that Korean people were more intelligent than other countries (31:53)
What he did during service wasn’t what he wanted to do, but what he had to do (35:00)
(35:01) Post Service
After he was discharged he was sent back to the United States by ship (35:06)
Went from Korea, to Washington State, then to hospital in Chicago (35:36)
While swimming in Korea he got an ear infection and had to go to hospital in Chicago (35:51)
Took train from Chicago to Indiana and went home to his wife (36:22)
After he got out of the service he had a son and a daughter with his wife (37:28)
While serving his wife had a boyfriend and 2 children; but they never got divorced (39:00)
Received GI Bill for being in the military; used it to go to school as an X-Ray technician (45:05)
While in service he injured the tendons in his hand and he got surgery in Washington (47:15)
Currently seeing a Military Psychologist for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (48:06)
Have lived in the Grand Rapids Veteran’s Home for 20 years (49:01)
Didn’t join any veterans groups because he tried to forget everything that happened (50:10)
Being in the military has greatly impacted his life and he wouldn’t change a thing (52:01)
Received 3 bronze stars for his military service in Korea (52:46)
The military wanted him to stay in service and become a 2nd lieutenant (53:25)

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                <text>Lamar Bloss grew up in northern Indiana and was drafted into the Army in 1952. He trained as an infantryman and was sent to Korea. He participated in heaving fighting in early 1953, including the action at Pork Chop Hill. After the armistice, he served on graves registration duty until he was sent home.</text>
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                <text>&lt;a href="https://gvsu.lyrasistechnology.org/repositories/2/resources/455"&gt;Veterans History Project collection, (RHC-27)&lt;/a&gt;</text>
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                <text>Grand Valley State University. University Libraries. Lemmen Library and Archives</text>
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