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Storyteller: Tara Kutz
Interviewer: John Donkersloot
Date: 6/24/07
Time: 42:06
Facilitator: M. Premo
Location: University of Michigan
(1:00) Discuss the Youth Advisory Committee (YAC) in Delta County, how she became
involved because of a friend
(2:00) Donkersloot discusses how a sport teammate got him involved to go to meetings
of the MCYFP
(3:33) They are inspired by what the problems of the community are
(3:52) Inspired by the leaders of the foundations
(5:37) Inspired by young leaders
(6:30) Empowered to affect change, given the tools to cause change
(7:50) Philanthropy shows power to engage in the community
(9:05) Kutz feels that it’s not just rich givers, but youth in community that also use funds
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(10:04) They discuss how youth can affect/cause change also
(11:25) Discuss how grant-making instills increased respect and responsibility to the
community
(13:30) Favorite grants
(18:00) Discuss how grant-making has become a passion- involved with the State Farm
Youth Advisory Board
(19:05) Discuss how Kutz got involved in the State Farm Advisory Board
(21:00) This opened their eyes to service
(24:00) Showed a social responsibility for people with wealth
(28:00) Discuss how the State Farm grant stands out in Kutz’s mind. CPA- personal
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�(32:00) Discuss the important grant to Donkersloot
(35:00) They discuss the critical skills learned from technical realities of grant-making
(36:36) Critical thinking- deep benefit throughout the process
(38:00) Grant-making in general is a fun process
(39:13) Their eyes have become opened beyond homogenous local community
(40:00) Discuss how honored they are by peers, change at youth

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Storyteller: Dottie Johnson
Interviewer: Rob Collier
Date: 10/27/08
Time:
Facilitator: Littlewood
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
(0:00) Introductions
(1:00) they discuss the beginning of Council of Michigan Foundation- largest regional
association in the country
(1:55) The starting of a foundation in Grand Haven, MI; and how Dottie was invited to
join the board of the CMF
(3:00) Rob came to Michigan through VISTA position
(4:30) Family philanthropy donor who wanted to start a family foundation called Dottie
from a pay phone in Florida on New Years Eve – He started it all in five hours
(6:20) They discuss the differences in the beginning and how things begin to snowball as
one family starts a foundation and others follow
(8:00) Growth of family foundations- but the difficulty of how to get the next generation
involved
(10:00) They talk about one family that didn’t even tell their children they were on the
board. They were having too much fun running it themselves
(11:00) How to start a foundation- donor advice and funding
(12:55) 30 years ago there were less foundations than now. Kellogg Foundation gave a
challenge grant- if the community raises $2 million then Kellogg will donate $1 million
to youth programs- Youth Fund
(15:45) They discuss how the community foundations in Michigan are growing. Impact
of tax credit, helping people give, leverage lots of resources. CMF is now over $2 ½
billion.
(20:00) Restitution funds from law suits, etc.
(21:00) Tobacco restitution funds- community foundations as convener of funds,
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(23:30) Working on environmental issues. Challenges facing the Great Lakes

�(25:00) Youth trained by community foundations going on to aid government and
organizations. Youth Advisory Commissions
(27:00) Youth philanthropy spreading over the Korea. Access to learning about
philanthropy in schools an issue. “Learning to Give.” Response to the 2004 tsunami as
part of an educational curriculum
(30:00) Challenges facing Michigan, how corporate resources are responding
(34:30) Priorities shift in response to economic issues. Job retraining, domestic violence
prevention
(35:40) Kellogg Foundation founded during the Depression
(37:45) Dottie talks about it being the best job in the world. Working with people who
felt good about helping

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Storyteller: John Frey
Interviewer: Eleonora Frey
Date: 6/25/07
Time: 44:40
Facilitator: Rachel Falcone
Location: Charlevoix, Michigan
(0:00) Introductions
(1:00) Discuss his mother and father that founded the Frey Foundation, then the
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(2:40) Didn’t have a definite plan for the foundation after their parents passed away.
Dorothy Johnson helped the family with the direction of the foundation
(4:29) Discussed the passing of the mother, and how their grandfather and uncle were
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(5:59) Discussed the early projects of the foundation, redevelopment of Grand Rapids
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(7:40) Generation of giving- John’s generation- to help strangers and those in need
(8:57) Story of hay, everyone helping in a farm
(9:46) “Fill the Gap” understanding grants as part of the process- grant makers become
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passions- environment, arts, children, civic progress, furthering philanthropy
(12:16) Discuss how the foundation world falls into its own language
(13:40) Look at the interests of the trustees, family dynamics with the family foundation,
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(15:34) Family
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changes
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Santa Maria, St. Mary’s. Development of the Community Foundations- YAC
(21:16) Michigan was the foundation of YAC- Mott and Kellogg

�(22:48) Formalization of the process of grant-making
(24:40) Frey Foundation has become a model for other foundations
(26:33) John’s favorite memories of Philantrhopy, family portrait
(27:37) John hopes that later generations don’t start off with criticisms like his
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(29:30) Lead with positives instead of negatives
(30:43) Discuss John’s passion- families helping families
(32:16) Tough questions and tough answers to be made, but not being afraid to make
decisions. Education is key to getting people involved and understanding philanthropy
(36:26) Challenges for philanthropy in the next generation
(37:21) Discuss taking positions, speak to politicians
(38:27) Discuss how John would like to see foundations connect with politicians
(42:06) International community

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Interviewer: Julie Fisher Cummings
Date: 6/24/07
Time: 35:56
Facilitator:
Location: Charlevoix, Michigan
(0:54) Talk about the Max Fisher Foundation, how it was founded
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(5:56) Discuss the Torch Program which helped rebuild Detroit after the ‘60s riot
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(8:15) Discuss the early focus of the Upton Foundation
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(22:16) Discuss Betsy’s favorite project
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Date: 10/16/06
Time: 42:49
Facilitator: K. Duggins
Location: CMF- Kalamazoo
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(1:00) Pastor Feldman’s history in Kalamazoo. Discusses a bit about politics in
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(5:01) Mattie gives her history of living in Kalamazoo, the politics of the city and
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(21:38) Continue to discuss the store
(24:59) Pastor Feldman discusses the memorable experiences in his work as a
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(33:28) Living your purpose, how to do it
(40:43) Mattie discusses the goals of her dream foundation

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Interviewer: Deborah Higgins
Date: 10/16/06
Time: 41:32
Facilitator- Nick Pumilia
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(0:50) Describes how she came to philanthropy work, introduced to someone at Kellogg
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eventually hired to permanent staff
(3:00) Discusses where she has drawn inspiration for her philanthropic work- Bill
Strickland from Pittsburg
(4:45) Discusses doing work in Kalamazoo with urban communities, working on the
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(9:20) Describes how working in philanthropy has influenced her understanding of and
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(21:30) Discusses what she would have done differently in her career in philanthropy
(23:00) Describes difference between grant-making and community initiatives. The role
of the Kalamazoo Community Foundation in community initiative work
(28:00) Most challenging and pride filled work that she has been involved with.
Challenge Day- initiative to remove bullying from school- program based out of
California
(32:00) “How did you first hear about the Challenge Day program?” She did work in
Bangor High School outside of Kalamazoo County, Michigan. Hopes to do Challenge
Day program in every school in Kalamazoo County
(37:00) Carrie describes what she learned as a facilitator at a Challenge Day in a local
school

�(38:00) Excited to bring stories of Challenge Day experience to local donors
(40:00) Deborah talks about what she hopes is ahead for her future in philanthropy
work

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Time: 42:50
Facilitator: Elaine D.
Location: CMF- Kalamazoo
(1:00) Talk about how they’ve been friends since High School
(1:15) When John first became involved in Pace Jam, he had been in a lot of
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(2:13) Describes relationship he was in right before he joined Peace Jam
(4:52) He describes what Peace Jam is- brings Nobel laureates to Kalamazoo high
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(6:00) Met Archbishop Desmond Tutu who talked about ending apartheid
(7:08) 10th anniversary conference of Peace Jam, Dali Lama attended in Denver,
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(10:35) His favorite project through Peace Jam
(12:45) What impact he thinks Peace Jam service projects have on Kalamazoo
(14:32) Describes his childhood- violent alcoholic father, killed his mom when he
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(16:30) Peace Jam provides and outlet
(17:35) Mondy talks about how proud he is of Josh, Josh talks about how helpful
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(19:50) Josh talks about being taught that showing emotion is considered a sign
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(20:32) His adoptive dad committed suicide- his reaction, his sisters’ reaction,
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(23:56) How his life changed since Peace Jam
(24:40) His birth dad is getting out of jail soon, learning how to deal with stress
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�(25:15) Josh had an eating disorder in high school, wasn’t eating, gained 40
pounds since joining Peace Jam, also no more headaches/ thanks to Mondy’s
massage skills- more about dealing with eating disorder and support from Peace
Jam
(29:00) Mondy talks about Peace Jam “a little slice of heaven”
(30:14) How he dealt with Columbine- he lost a couple of friends n the shootinghasn’t watched TV at home since that day
(33:20) Hard to go to 10th anniversary conference because it was in Denver, ran
into another friends who was a survivor and that made it easier
(36:55) How he ended up at Peace Jam, people donated money so he could pay to
go to the conference
(39:00) How they met and became friend- they even have the same birthday
(41:55) Mondy reflects on memories and moments they’ve shared

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(19:49) Chris talks about what he would do if he had his own foundation, helping youth,
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(24:49) Chris talks about why he loves working for the Kellogg Foundation; Salzburg
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(26:46) He talks about his parents; immigrating from Greece, becoming American

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Time: 37:33
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(27:30) Retreats take to encourage dialogue and storytelling amongst groups of
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(34:00) Discusses connectedness and similarity disconcerted between mission
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�(35:00) Talks about the importance of story telling and individual experiences to
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Time: 39:01
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(31:30) Kathy’s goals at Johnson Center at Grand Valley State University, Jim’s
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(33:15) Jim hopes her center will develop new leaders
(34:05) His work with Asia society, his other interests (technology in schools)
(37:05) Their hopes for their grandchildren, what they’ll know about
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