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                    <text>MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An alliance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

Minutes
of the
Executive Committee Meeting
April 29, 1993 -- 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.
Kellogg Center - Centennial C Room, East Lansing, Michigan
Members Present:
N. Charles Anderson
Robert E. Ivory
Dorothy A. Johnson
Russell G. Mawby
Helen C. Philpott
Herbert Yamanishi

Staff Present:
Donna M. Clarke
David O. Egner

1.

Welcome and Call to Order: The meeting was called to order by Chairman Mawby
at 10:10 a.m.

2.

Approval of Minutes: The minutes of the September 23, 1992, and February 26, 1993,
meetings were approved as circulated.

3.

Proposed Personnel Policy Changes: The committee reviewed the changes which were
made to the MNF Employment Polices and Procedures at the February 26 meeting which
included (1) changing from 12 to 10 paid holidays, (2) adding of a "successor coverage
option" to the medical/dental insurance, and (3) changing the wording to
Resignations/Termination's, Employment At-Will, and Discrimination/Harassment.
After discussion, the committee recommended the following additional changes:
1.

At the end of each fiscal year carry forward of unused vacation days will be
limited to one-half of one year's days.

2.

Unused sick days will carry forward annually. The accumulated total will
be applied to short-term disability. In the event of termination of
employment, accrued sick days are not eligible for reimbursement.

3.

After one full year of service, short-term and long-term disability coverage
and retirement will be made available to each full-time employee.

�4.

After a 90-day probationary period, term life will be available by group
plan to each full-time employee.

5.

New employees' performance will be reviewed after an initial probationary
period ~ 90 days for non-exempt staff and 180 days for exempt staff.

6.

All employee benefits will cease on the last day of employment. Options to
convert or continue health/dental coverage and retirement benefits are
available and will be explained in detail prior to the separation date.
Arrangements will also be made prior to the separation date to pay all due
wages, accrued vacation, and reimbursable expenses to the employee.

3.

Review of Membership/Meeting Report: D. Johnson reported on the recommended
plan of the Board/Committee Structure Committee (attached). The plan, as outlined,
suggested changing the Board structure from an association based, no term limit model to
a more traditional, member elected model. After considerable discussion, it was agreed
that a modified version of the plan would be presented to the full Board. A Bylaw
Committee will be appointed to make the necessary changes to accommodate the new
structure.

4.

Review of Proposed 1993-94 Budget: B. Ivory reviewed the 1992-93 Financial
Summary through March 31 noting that revenues and expenses were coming in on target.
He then reviewed the 1993-94 Recommended Budget. After discussion, the committee
approved this budget and recommended that staff develop a 5 year cash flow plan and a
policy on fund balances. Additionally, the committee recommended that the finance report
format be modified to include a cash flow analysis and estimated actuals for 1992-93.

5.

Proposed Purpose Statements: The committee approved the Proposed Purpose
Statements (attached) after making minor sequence and grammar changes. They will be
recommended for full Board approval on May 13.

6.

Proposed MNF Sponsored Retirement Program: D. Egner introduced the idea of
developing a statewide, nonprofit retirement plan sponsored by MNF. After discussion,
the Executive Committee agreed that a committee will be appointed to fully explore the
possibility of establishing such a plan.

7.

Report of the Public Policy Committee: H. Yamanishi noted that at the April 27
meeting of the Program/Public Policy Committee, members of the committee approved
the following motions concerning the tax incentive paper:
(1.) Recommended the paper as revised be circulated to the joint Program/Public
Policy Committee with a ballot giving members the opportunity to vote yes or no on
the approval of the paper (passed unanimously).
(2.) The committee endorses substantive revisions in concept and recommends (subject
to final editing) the paper to the board for approval (passed 5 to 2).

�H. Yamanishi noted that the ballots were being mailed out this week from the MNF
office and that Board members will be asked to review the tax incentive paper in
preparation for discussion on potential further action regarding this initiative at the May
13, 1993, Board Meeting.
8.

Review of Proposed Agenda for May 13 Board Meeting: After discussion, the
committee developed the agenda for the May 13 Board Meeting as follows:
12:00-1:00 p.m. Informal Lunch
1:00 p.m.
1) Call to Order/Welcome
2) Approval of October 12, 1992, Minutes
3) Report of Search Committee
4) Executive Director's Report
5) Proposed Purpose Statements
6) Proposed Organizational Structure
-Appointment of Bylaws Committee
-Special Meeting Dates
7) Finance Report
8) Proposed 1993-94 Budget
9) Recommended Personnel Policies
10) Report of Membership/Nominating Committee
-Review Current Membership &amp; Projections
-Appointment of Retirement Plan Committee
11) Report of Audit Committee
12) Report of Public Policy Committee
13) Campaign for Voluntarism Update
14) GGV Preview
15) Adjourn 4:30 p.m.

9.

Adjournment: The meeting adjourned at 11:50 a.m.

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Minutes
of the
Executive Committee Meeting
February 26, 1993 - 1:00 to 3:00 p.m.
Kellogg Center - Room 103, East Lansing, Michigan
Members Present:
Edward O. Blews, Jr.
Robert E. Ivory
Dorothy A. Johnson
Russell G. Mawby
Helen C. Philpott
George G. Romney
Herbert Yamanishi

Staff Present:
Donna M. Clarke
David O. Egner

1.

Welcome and Call to Order: The meeting was called to order by Chairman Mawby
at 1:05 p.m.

2.

Update on GGV: H. Philpott reported that the GGV program committee held its
final planning meeting on February 9. She summarized the committee's work to date
and praised the committee members for their commitment and dedication to insuring
that this conference is a success. The conference will feature two keynote speakers,
Russell Mawby of the W.K. Kellogg Foundation and Samuel Betances of
Northeastern Illinois University. To insure adequate attendance and comfort at all
breakout sessions, and to enhance conference marketing strategies, registration will
be limited to 800. The committee has secured corporate sponsorships from Comerica
and Blue Cross Blue Shield at $2500 each and hopes to secure an additional $3,000 to
$5,000 from other potential sponsors.

�3.

Search Committee Update: H. Philpott reported that the committee has received
almost 300 resumes in response to the Executive Director position advertisement. The
committee retained an independent consultant, Steven O'Connor of the Michigan
Hospital Association Service Corps, to review and rank the resumes based on the
criteria developed at the January Board Retreat. H. Philpott commended
Mr. O'Connor for his comprehensive and detailed efforts during the review process.
The committee will be meeting to narrow the pool to ten candidates. After conducting
reference checks on each candidate the committee will reconvene on March 17 to select
the final candidates for interviews which will take place on March 25. Following the
interview process, the committee will make a final recommendation to the executive
committee. Upon executive committee approval, this recommendation will be submitted
to the full MNF board.

4.

Update on New Technology: D. Egner reported that MNF's development as a
membership organization facilitated the need for a complete re-evaluation of the
Forum's computer systems. Mike Thompson, a consultant to the W.K. Kellogg
Foundation, has generously conducted this reviewed on a pro bono basis and has
secured a donation to MNF of the needed new equipment and software. These system
upgrades and additions will enable the Forum to manage memberships and conferences
and to develop new services which will benefit the sector.

5.

Update on the Campaign for Volunteerism: Governor Romney reported on progress
to date on the Campaign for Volunteerism. He has visited a number of communities to
date in an effort to assemble the leadership coalition necessary to make Volunteerism a
higher priority in each community. 12-15 additional meetings are planned for late
Summer and early Fall. Governor Romney also reported on the progress of the Detroit
campaign which will kickoff the morning of April 19.

6.

Proposed By-Laws Change (Attachment A): D. Egner reported that a bylaws change
was needed to support the Board's decision at the retreat to move MNF in a more
proactive direction in regards to public policy that has potential impact on the nonprofit
sector. Approval of this proposed change at this time would not permit the executive
committee to authorize the staff to take a definitive position on behalf of MNF. It would,
however, permit the executive committee to authorize the staff to become involved, from
an information standpoint, in major public policy issues that may come before the
Michigan Legislature prior to the May 13, 1993, full board meeting. After discussion and
minor editorial changes, the committee approved a motion by D. Johnson and seconded by
H. Yamanishi to recommend the by-laws change for immediate written board approval.

7.

Proposed Personnel Policy Changes (Attachment B): D. Egner reviewed format and
language changes to MNF's personnel polices which were needed for clarity. He also
noted that in order to comply with state and federal regulations, MNF should move from
an optional, salary based benefits plan to a fixed benefits plan. After discussion, the
committee approved the necessary medical/dental insurance adjustments. The committee
agreed to postpone discussion on the remaining personnel items until after the MNF
Executive Director position was filled, to allow for appropriate input by the executive.

�8.

Proposed Board Structure as Approved by Ad-Hoc Committee
(Attachment C): D. Johnson summarized the recommendations from the ad-hoc
structure committee which were unanimously approved by the membership committee
earlier today. She noted that MNF members will elect the trustees through written
ballots using nominating committee recommendations. During discussion, committee
members noted that MNF is currently in a transitional phase as it continues to grow as
a membership organization under the direction of a new executive. Realizing this, the
committee stressed the importance of viewing the board structure proposal as a flexible
system which may need modification as MNF matures. After discussion, the
committee unanimously approved a motion to recommend this Board/Committee
Structure to the full board approval.

9.

Proposed Membership Dues Structure (Attachment D): D. Johnson reviewed the
two proposed dues structures noting that Plan A was budget based; while Plan B was
network organization based. She reported that earlier today the membership committee
unanimously approved Plan A based on the fact that it was not only more fiscally sound
and easier to implement, but it was also the model most other state-wide nonprofit
associations followed. After discussion, the committee unanimously approved a motion
to adopt the Plan A dues structure.

10.

Finances (Attachments F, H, &amp; I): The committee reviewed the finances to date and
a revised 1992-93 budget presented by Treasurer, Ivory. Both were approved
unanimously. The committee then reviewed the long range funding plan. Discussion
pursued concerning the need for this plan to remain flexible and the projects of a deficit
budget in the 1993-94 year. The committee approved the plan as presented.

11.

Adjournment: The meeting adjourned at 3:00 p.m.

Respectfully submitted by:

Herbert Yamanishi, Secretary

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[DRAFT]
Minutes
of the
MNF Tax Incentive Study Task Force
October 6, 1992 - 9:00 to 11:00
MI Library &amp; Historical Center, Lake Huron Room, Lansing, MI

Present:
Robert Ivory
Dorothy Johnson
Edward Blews
Dave Egner
Suzanne Feurt
David Haynes

John Hopkins
Gary Wolfram
Matthew McLogan
Peter Remington
Herbert Yamanishi

Co-Chair Dorothy Johnson gave welcome and called meeting to order at 9:10 AM.
After introductions, co-chairman Robert Ivory reviewed the progress of this committee to date.
The Committee has retained the Public Affairs Associates, Inc., of Lansing. The group has an
extensive background in dealing with tax issues and the legislature, as well as experience
working with the nonprofit sector. The Council of Michigan Foundations and the United Way
of Michigan have both contributed $5,000 toward the $30,000 consulting fee of the Public
Affairs Associates, Inc. The Committee is in the process of securing funds for the remainder of
the fee. The Public Affairs Associates, Inc. is working jointly with Gary Wolfram, Economics
Professor at Hillsdale College and former Deputy Treasurer of Michigan. Wolfram has drafted
a document that details the economic and social effect of tax incentives for the entire Michigan
nonprofit sector.
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concluded that the paper needed to be redrafted to take into account a variety of suggestions
from the committee. The group then agreed upon the following next steps of action:

�1. October 31

A revised draft of the paper will be completed and
distributed to the Task Group.

2. November 16, 3:30-5:30

Task Group Meeting at the Michigan Library &amp;
Historical Center, Lake Erie Room, to discuss the
redrafts and possible future action by MNF.

3. December 9, 9:00-12:00

MNF Public Policy Committee Meeting at Kellogg
Center to review working paper for possible actions.

4. December 15, 10:00-Lunch

Meeting at the Kellogg Foundation, Battle Creek, for
the Executive Committee and interested members of
the MNF Board to discuss the draft and
recommendations of the Task Group.

5. Release of Paper to constituents for reactions.
6. If the Executive Committee and Board deem further action appropriate, Task Force to
develop strategy for future action.
7. MNF Leadership to discuss the pro strategy by MNF or inform the MNF Members of
planned action by individual organizations.
The meeting was adjourned at 11:15 AM.

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Minutes
of the
Executive Committee Meeting
September 23, 1992 -- 9:30 to 12:00
W.K. Kellogg Foundation, Battle Creek, MI

Members Present:

Guests:

N. Charles Anderson
Edward 0. Blews, Jr.
Robert E. Ivory
Dorothy A. Johnson
Maryellen J. Lewis
Russell G. Maw by
Helen C. Philpott
George G. Romney
Herbert Yamanishi

David 0. Egner

Staff Present:
Donna M. Clarke
Carrie A. Weaver

1.

Welcome and Call to Order: With the Chair present, the meeting was called to order
at 9:45p.m.

2.

Review of the Minutes: The committee reviewed and approved the minutes from the
July 14, 1992 Executive Committee meeting.

3.

Report of the Executive Director: M. Lewis reviewed MNF's current activities and
products in light of the priorities set by this committee in December of 1991.
Technical Assistance: The technical assistance providers network which MNF has been
working to implement will hold its first public meeting on November 9. The featured
speaker, Connie Julius of the Michigan Community College Association, will focus on
the potential use of teleconferencing for reaching the widest possible audience of
nonprofits with training and professional development opportunities.
M. Lewis also noted that MNF currently produces a composite calendar of nonprofit
training and events of sector-side significance and expects the MNF update of the

�Nonprofit Resource Directory (an updated and expanded version of the Accounting Aid
Society's 1989 directory) to be complete by mid-October.
Campaign for Volunteerism: Much of the administration for the Campaign for
Volunteerism has been being turned over to the Volunteer Centers of Michigan, which
now has its first grant and first staff person. Under Governor Romney's leadership and
with unanimous board approval, MNF has guided the Campaign through its
developmental efforts. There are now 26 communities actively pursuing new strategies to
hard-link volunteering to some of their most stubborn and debilitating challenges.
Recently, with MNF's help and the help of other collaborators, the Volunteer Centers of
Michigan secured the first direct funding of this Campaign. This funding has enabled
VCM to become a staffed association for the first time, setting the stage for MNF to
appropriately shift the Campaign's administrative responsibilities to their Lansing office
(with their preliminary approval).
MNF's role will now center on statewide communication, working through networks to
reach leaders in large numbers of communities, and coordinating Leadership Summits
among local business, government and nonprofit leadership to support the volunteer
infrastructure. As agreed by the Campaign Executive Committee (which includes MNF),
MNF has been initiating, coordinating and following up a series of strategic consultations
between Governor Romney and local leaders (in business, government and the service
sector) in 30-35 communities around the state.
White Paper: The White Paper process is well underway and promises to be MNF's most
significant undertaking so far. Janne Gallagher ofthe Independent Sector drafted a
discussion paper for MNF which was reviewed by the White Paper Subcommittee on
September 18. A revised draft will be available for review by the Public Policy Committee
on October 9 and the full board on October 12.
Summits: The tapes of the first Summit are near completion and a "draft" of the short
video may be available for viewing at the Annual Meeting.
Grantmakers/Grantseekers V: The GG5 Program Committee held its first meeting in
August and planning is underway. A subcommittee has also been created to review the
full cost of the conference and identify direct funding sources. A full report on the
planning efforts was given later by H. Philpott.
Membership Campaign: While the Campaign has been a large, new task for MNF, staff
have worked to make it manageable. The recruitment ofNetwork Associates is
proceeding along positively. A full report on the recruitment efforts was given later by
D . Johnson
M. Lewis concluded her report by suggesting that the committee consider adopting a
measure which would indicate support for Florida's nonprofit community. After
discussion, the committee agreed that MNF and its member agencies should contact sister
organizations in both Florida and Hawaii as an expression of solidarity. H. Yamanishi will

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�also collect data for MNF's newsletter indicating how individuals can make contributions
to those in need.

4.

Report of the Finance Committee: R. Ivory reviewed the Financial Statements for July &amp;
August and noted several items: Founding Member contributions are below budget
because invoices are not sent out until after the Annual Meeting; interest rates are down
due to the economy; other grants are below budget because they are timed to come in
later in the year; membership dues are keeping pace, but must be carried over throughout
the year; salaries are slightly higher because July had three payroll periods versus two; and
office operations are below budget because much of this expense occurs during the last
two quarters related to GGS . After discussion, the committee approved the finance report
for July &amp; August. A complete first quarter financial report will be available for the
Annual Meeting.
The committee also reviewed the final GGIV Financial Report. M . Lewis noted that
GGIV costs were slightly higher than GGill costs due to the additional mailing expenses
incurred to combat the registration shortfall. She also noted that while there was a
shortfall between revenues and expenses, grantmakers/grantseekers has always been
subsidized by MNF's general fund . This is the first year that the subsidy has been
adequately measured due to the sophisticated tracking systems now in place.

H. Philpott pointed out that the GGV program committee believes opportunities exist for
corporate sponsorship and display fees to offset the conference expenses. The Executive
Committee agreed and authorized the GGV Program Committee to proceed with outside
funding efforts, with the caveat that sponsors and vendors should be carefully selected to
insure that the integrity and mission of the conference are upheld .

5.

Report of the Grantmakers/Grantseekers Committee: H. Philpott reported that the GGV
program committee held its first meeting on August 26. This talented group is off to an
excellent start. At this first meeting the program committee selected the theme identified
possible keynote speakers and developed several breakout sessions as follows :
1993 THEME: "Focus on the Future: Creating Caring Communities"
Possible Keynote Speakers:
John Gardner
James Hayes
Brian O'Connell
Elizabeth Dole
Jimmy Carter
Ed Barlow

Rush Kidder
Peter Goldmark
Peter McTier
John Jacobs
Elaine Chao

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�Possible Session Themes:
Futuring/Demographicst
Volunteering/Give V
Media &amp; the Nonprofit
Sector
Leadership Issues

Real World Collaboration
Evaluation &amp; Accountability
Public Policy
Legislators' Involvement in GGV

The committee discussed the possible keynote speakers, and while all agreed that any
one of them would be excellent, Jimmy or Rosalyn Carter exemplify the 1993 theme.
The committee also focused on the low conference attendance by grantmakers.
D . Johnson encouraged the program committee to develop an aggressive approach to
grantmakers' attendance. Further, she suggested the program committee consider
renaming the conference and using Grantmakers/Grantseekers as a subtitle. This would
help to clarify to participants that the main focus of the conference is not on interaction
between actual grantmakers per se. The committee also reviewed strategies for
involving more direct contact between grantmakers and participants, possibly through
small luncheon roundtables. Staff will check on this possibility with the hotel and report
to H . Philpott prior to the second meeting of the program committee on October 6.

6.

Report of the Membership Committee: D . Johnson reported that the Network Associate
Membership Campaign is generating positive results with ten new network members to
date:
Network Associate

Recruited by

Association for Child Development
Birmingham Area Seniors Coordinating Council
Concerned Citizens for the Arts
Jewish Federation ofMetro Detroit
Local Initiatives Support Corporation
Michigan Association ofNon-Public Schools
Michigan Association ofProfessional Black Nurses
Michigan Economic Education Council
Michigan Humanities Council
Michigan Primary Care Association

M. Lewis
J. Lore
D . Johnson
D . Gad-Harf
D . Johnson
E. Blews
B. McDonald
J. King
D . Johnson
A. Rosewame

D. Johnson thanked all of the volunteers for their extra efforts and noted that the followup phone calls they were making were the key to recruitment success. The time frame for
concluding the follow-up calls is October 12, with all final contacts to be made by
November 1.
D . Johnson then reviewed the nominating committee's nominations for MNF's Governing
Board. Currently there are openings for four Organizational Members and five
Network Members. She pointed out that the committee focused on the representation
of health and human services on MNF's board, since they comprise the great majority

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�of nonprofit organizations. Additionally, statistics from the Independent Sector's
Nonprofit Almanac indicate that nonprofit employment is higher in health; followed by
education. Accordingly, committee members placed special emphasis on these fields in
their nominations:

Organizational Members of the Board:
Organization

MNF Contact Person

*Food Bank Council of Michigan
Michigan Association of Rehabilitation Facilities
Michigan Hospital Association

H. Yamanishi (M. Lewis)
H. Yamanishi (M. Lewis)
A. Rosewarne

(*Already an Associate Member)

Network Members of the Board:
Organization

MNF Contact Person

American Cancer Society/MI Section
*Michigan Humanities Council
*Volunteer Centers of Michigan

A. Rosewarne
D. Johnson
M. Lewis

(*Already a Network Member)
The nominating committee decided not to fill all open slots on the Board now, in order to
adequately review those organizations which have yet to join. After discussion, the
executive committee approved the nominations for presentation at the Annual Meeting.

7.

Executive Session: During executive session, the officers accepted the resignation of
Maryellen J. Lewis as Executive Director of MNF. The officers commended
Maryellen on her outstanding stewardship of MNF during its critical developmental
years. The officers then appointed David 0. Egner as Acting Executive Director
effective November 1, 1992.

8.

Report of the Joint Program and Public Policy Committees: H. Yamanishi reviewed the
White Paper process to date. The White Paper subcommittee met on September 18 to
review Janne Gallagher's first White Paper draft. She is now revising the draft to include
the subcommittee's thoughts and comments. This second draft will be available for the
October 9 Public Policy meeting and the October 12 Annual Meeting. After board review,
the draft will be circulated amongst MNF's members and other nonprofit constituencies for

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�review and input. The subcommittee expects to bring the draft back to the Board at its
May 1993 meeting for final review.
E . Blews will report on policy issues to the full Board at the Annual Meeting following the
October 9 Public Policy meeting.
9.

Report of the Tax Credit Subcommittee: R. Ivory and D. Johnson reported on the tax
credit subcommittee's work to date. R. Ivory noted that the subcommittee held its first
meeting on July 17, 1992. At that time, committee members discussed the changes in
Michigan's tax structure which are looming on the horizon. Major readjustments in state
revenue are anticipated, which will be reflected in how Michigan funds programs. In order
to sustain and advance stable and supportive public policies, nonprofits must understand
clearly the impact of tax credits: (1) on state revenues, (2) on private giving, and (3)
on overall allocation of dollars to public and private causes.
Toward that goal, the Task Force has been convened to guide a study of tax incentives
which may be useful to the Michigan Department of Treasury, which is required to
submit such a study to the legislature by June 30, 1993. The Task Force engaged Gary
Wolfram of Hillsdale College to draft a discussion paper on statistics and rationales
supporting various tax credit policies. This draft is now complete and will be reviewed
by the Task Force at its October 6 meeting for presentation to the full Public Policy
Committee at its meeting on October 9. The draft will then be available for discussion
by MNF's Board on October 12. During November and December, following Board
review, MNF's members will begin to meet with their constituencies and other
members of the nonprofit community to garner their input and participation in this
exploration, toward a broader understanding and consensus on final recommendations.
The Task Force will then reconvene to develop further strategies for stimulating public
awareness and action to begin in January.

10.

Report on the Campaign for Voluntarism: G. Romney summarized progress on this
initiative, with supporting information provided by M. Lewis. He reaffirmed the
importance of this aspect ofMNF's mission and the Forum's unique position to have a
lasting impact on the state. The committee expressed their unanimous support and their
deep appreciation for his leadership.

11.

Review ofthe Draft Agenda for the October 12 Annual Meeting: The committee
reviewed the draft agenda for the October 12 meeting, noting that it would also include a
presentation by P. Warwick and S. Radtke on the Year of the Volunteer; a presentation by
the Tax Credit Subcommittee on the draft discussion paper; and a presentation by Chris
Clark on MNF's second year evaluation. Special emphasis was focused on the proposed
discussion of priorities and MNF's future, which committee members agreed would be a
critical deliberation to prepare for the changes ahead.

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�12.

Adjournment: The meeting adjourned at 1:00.

Respectfully submitted by:

Herbert Yamanishi, Secretary

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                    <text>MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An alliance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

[Not Yet Adopted]
Minutes
of the
MNF Membership Committee Conference Call Meeting
February 26, 1993 -- 11:00 to 1130 a.m.
Kellogg Center, East Lansing, MI

Trustees Present:
Dorothy A. Johnson
John S. Lore
Anne W. Rosewarne
Lawrence O. Wells

Staff Present:
Donna M. Clarke
David O. Egner

1.

Welcome &amp; Introductions: The conference call meeting was called to order by
Dorothy Johnson at 11:00 a.m. Those present introduced themselves.

2.

Review Recommendations of Ad-Hoc Structure Committee (Attachment A): D.
Johnson summarized the recommendations from the ad-hoc structure committee noting
that MNF members will elect the trustees through written ballots using nominating
committee recommendations. The board of directors will set objectives and policies of
MNF based on the recommendations of MNF's standing and ad-hoc committees. After
discussion, the committee unanimously approved a motion by J. Lore and seconded by
A. Rosewarne to recommend this Board/Committee Structure to the executive
committee for approval.

3.

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two proposed dues structures noting that Plan A was budget based; while Plan B was
network organization based. The committee agreed that not only was Plan A more
fiscally sound and easier to implement, but it was also the model most other state-wide
nonprofit associations followed. After discussion, the committee unanimously
approved a motion by J. Lore and seconded by A. rosewarne to recommend the budget
based Plan A dues structure to the executive committee for approval.

4.

Adjournment: The conference call meeting adjourned at 11:25 a.m.

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                    <text>MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICIDGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An aUiance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

[DRAFT]
Minutes
of the
Grantmakers/Grantseekers Seminar V Program Committee Meeting
Tuesday, February 9, 1993 - - 10:00 to 1:00
Kellogg Center, Lansing, Michigan
Members Present:
N . Charles Anderson
Susan Bolhouse
Charles A. Infante
Kenneth Isherwood
Ethel Kage
Gene Keilitz
Barbara Owens
Helen C. Philpott
Diana R. Sieger
Glenn Stevens
S. Mark Terman

Patricia R. Waxweiler
Sr. Jacqueline A. Wetherholt
Pamela Wong
Staff Present:
David 0 . Egner
Donna M. Clarke
Amanda Osborne
Carrie Weaver

1.

Call to Order: With the Co-chairs present the meeting was called to order at
10:15 a.m. Those present introduced themselves. H . Philpott commented that the MNF
January retreat was a success. She noted that the MNF Board strongly reaffirmed their
commitment of strong support for the grantmakers/grantseekers seminar.

2.

Review of the Minutes: The minutes ofthe October 6, 1992, meeting were approved
as circulated.

3.

Review and Update on Keynote Speakers Selection: As stated in the
January 7, 1993, memo to the Program Committee, Rosalyn Carter is unable to be the
keynote speaker due to a last minute commitment. D . Egner reported that Russ Mawby,
CEO and Chairman of the W.K. Kellogg Foundation, will be the morning keynote
speaker representing the Michigan perspective. D . Clarke indicated that
Samuel Betances, Professor of Sociology at Northeastern Illinois University, will give
the afternoon keynote address representing a national perspective. Dr. Betances also
graciously agreed to participate in the afternoon panel discussion on diversity. D. Clarke

�acknowledged Suzanne F eurt for her outstanding efforts in securing Dr. Betances as a
speaker.

4.

Review and Update on Corporate Sponsorships and Recognition Strategies:
P. Wong has secured Comerica Bank/Woodbridge Capital Management and
Blue Cross/Blue Shield ofMichigan as $2,500 sponsors. Comerica has asked that they
be the only bank sponsor. They will provide signs for the continental breakfast and
handouts at the registration area. Comerica will allow MNF to include conference
materials with the handouts. P. Wong commented that she has received a good response
to the conference from corporations and asked the committee to review a draft
sponsorship letter. The committee approved the language of the letter which P . Wong
will send out at the end ofFebruary. She would like to secure $10,000 in sponsorships
and asked the committee if they could send her any contact names that they feel would
be interested.

5.

Update on Registration Brochure: D. Clarke reported that the brochure, which is
similar to GGS registration brochures in the past, is progressing on schedule. A draft
copy has been sent to the printer and should be back around the first week ofMarch.

6.

Update on GGV Session Plans:
-review logistics: D. Clarke reviewed an outline ofMay 14 as follows:
8:00-9 :00
9:00-9:45
10:00-11:45
12:00-12:45
1:00-1:45
2:00-3:30
3:30-4:40

Registration
Morning Keynote
Concurrent Sessions
Lunch (Pre-set)
Afternoon Keynote
Concurrent Sessions
Networking Reception

-review registration cap : D. Sieger commented that she would like to continue the
discussion from the October 7, 1993, meeting on implementing a registration cap of 800
people. D. Egner expressed that limiting participation to 800 would not threaten
conference revenues. Further, he noted that conference coordination and participant
satisfaction have improved when GGS attendance was below 1,000. P. Wong suggested
that questions regarding registration size should be included on the brochure. It was
expressed by D . Clarke that although space was currently limited on the brochure,
questions could be incorporated on an evaluation form at the conference. Additionally,
the format for future brochures could be adapted to include more evaluation questions.
a. Displays: J. Wetherholt reviewed the draft exhibitor contract with the committee.
One minor title change was made and the contract was revised to include a line stating
that a nonprofit must include a tax exemption letter with their contract and check.
J. Wetherholt will begin to distribute the contracts to exhibitors at the end of the week.

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�b. Futuring /Demographics: K. Isherwood reported that he expects Larry Ledebur of
Wayne State University to confirm as a speaker for this session. D . Egner expressed
that Robert O'Conner ofUnited Way could serve as a backup speaker.
c. Volunteerism: D . Egner indicated that the volunteer session will focus on
organizations being volunteer friendly, effectively and efficiently. The speakers for this
session include Dorothy Munson of Butterworth Hospital, Darryl White of the
Midland Voluntary Action Center and Geneva Williams ofUnited Community Services.
d. Media and the Nonprofit Sector: D. Clarke reported on behalfofC. Murray. This
session will focus on the role the media and the leadership of the nonprofit world play
together to bring a greater awareness to the public of the impact and importance of the
voluntary sector to all Americans. The speakers will be Chris Alexander of
WJRT-News, Luther Keith ofThe Detroit News, Mary Kramer of Crain's Detroit
Business and Byron MacGregor ofWLLZ-FM Radio .
e. Community Leadership Programs: P. Wong discussed this session on behalf of
J. Lore. The session will focus on the role of community leaders in educating and
sensitizing emerging and existing leaders to the issues and responsibilities of community
leadership. Speakers on this panel are Agustin Arbulu ofMacDonald &amp; Goren, P.C.,
Ann Hoag ofLeadership Detroit, Matthew Meadors of the Grand Traverse Chamber of
Commerce, Sudie Richardson ofLeadership Flint and B.J. Scott of
Leadership Grand Rapids.

f Meeting the Community Challenge: D . Clarke reported on behalf of S. Katt and
D . Bostic Robinson. A panel of grantmakers and grantseekers will discuss examples of
successful projects within communities designed to meet community needs and foster
a better quality oflife. The speakers for this panel include N . Charles Anderson of
Council of Michigan Urban Leagues, Ronald Brown of Flint Odyssey House,
Noreen Keating of Pontiac Lighthouse, Mary Jo Kripowicz of Consumers Power
Company and Jack Mawdsley of the W.K. Kellogg Foundation.
g. To Whom Are You Accountable: D . Egner expressed that this session will focus on
a practical discussion on how organizations can use evaluation to facilitate success. The
speakers include Edward Blews of Association oflndependent Colleges and Universities
of Michigan, Thomas Dewar of Junior Achievement of Southeastern Michigan,
William LaMothe of the Kellogg Company and Daniel Moore of the
W .K. Kellogg Foundation.
h. Building Coalitions oflnterest: D. Egner commented that this session will focus on
perspectives on creating positive outcomes through ethnic diversity in your community
and organization. The speakers for this session include Joyce Brown of the
Southwestern Michigan Urban League, Samuel Betances ofNortheastern Illinois

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�University, David Gad-Harf of the Jewish Community Council and David Stevenson of
Wayne State University.
i. How to Seek Support From Elected Officials: P . Waxweiller reported that this panel
will discuss various methods of support, both financial and in-kind, which will benefit the
nonprofit sector. The speakers for this session include Senator John Cherry,
Senator Vernon Ehlers, Representative Shirley Johnson and Kathleen Straus of the
Jewish Community Council.
j. Informal Networking Reception: D . Clarke discussed the idea of having the
networking reception be in its own room this year. In the past it was hard to evaluate
how many people stayed for the reception. C. Infante suggested that this room be open
all day for people to network. The idea of having the reception in one room, open all
day, passed.
7.

Discussion of Conference Title/Attendance by Grantmakers: H . Philpott indicated
that there had been some concern about the Grantmakers/Grantseekers title because
there aren't many grantmakers that attend. D . Egner suggested that MNF might
collaborate with CMF to get more grantmakers to the conference and ensure that there
are sessions geared towards grantmakers. J. Wetherholt commented that
Grantmakers/Grantseekers should have a session just for trustees or volunteers.
S. Bolhouse suggested that every year the title should say "A Partnership for Caring
Communities." The discussion of the title will resume in the planning meetings for
Grantmakers/Grantseekers VI.

8.

Discussion ofMedia/PR Strategies: S. Bolhouse commented that we might want to
approach the media to do a series on diversity before the conference. P . Wong
suggested that C. Murray ask Luther Keith, of the media panel, to give GG5 some
publicity. D . Sieger noted that the committee should personalize their approach to the
media. C. Infante indicated that the committee should contact the public relations
committee of the Community Service Commission to get ideas. It was decided that
D . Clarke, D. Egner, H . Philpott and D . Sieger meet with the W.K. Kellogg Foundation
media staff to discuss appropriate media strategies.

9.

Request for Volunteers: D . Clarke indicated that her goal for volunteers is 18 people.
This goal would be met if every committee member volunteered one person. She would
like to have the names of these volunteers by April 1st.

10.

Review of Timeline, Logistics and Next Steps: D . Sieger said that the final planning
meeting is March 23rd. D . Clarke reminded the committee that May 13th is the
speaker's dinner and reception.

11.

Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 12:30 p.m.

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                    <text>MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An alliance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

MINUTES
of the
MNF Board of Trustees Meeting
October 12, 1992 --9:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.
Holiday Inn South, Lansing, MI
Trustees Present:
Edward O. Blews, Jr.
Joyce A. Brown
Gale Colwell
Robert E. Ivory
Steven L. Johns-Boehme
Dorothy A. Johnson
Gerard E. Keidel
Justin P. King
Clyde E. LeTarte
Ivan W. Love
Lillian G. Mason
Russell G. Mawby

Beverley L. McDonald
Helen C. Philpott
Judith A. Rapanos
George W. Romney
Anne W. Rosewarne
Frances L. Ryan
Glenn R. Stevens
Kathleen N. Straus
Paul R. Williams
Herbert Yamanishi

Guests Present:
David O. Egner
Constance P. Julius
Staff Present:
Donna M. Clarke
Maryellen J. Lewis
Amanda Osborne
Carrie A. Weaver

1.

Welcome and Call to Order: The meeting was called to order by Chairman Mawby at
9:40 a.m. Those present introduced themselves.

2.

Review of the Minutes [Tab 2]: The minutes of the April 23, 1992, meeting were
approved as printed and distributed.

3.

Executive Director's Report [Tab 3 &amp; 13]: M. Lewis reviewed and highlighted MNF's
achievements and accomplishments over the past two years. (A copy of these remarks
has been sent under separate cover.)
Chairman Mawby then presented M. Lewis with a resolution and gift commemorating
and honoring her stewardship of MNF during its founding years. (A copy of the
resolution has been sent under separate cover.)

4.

Chairman's Report: R. Mawby reported that David O. Egner of the W.K. Kellogg
Foundation has been named Acting Executive Director of MNF. Although he will not

�formally assume this position until November 1, he will immediately begin to work
with committee chairs and staff to review MNF's program goals and commitments. He
will also assist with the executive search process.
5.

Finance Committee Report [Tab 4]: R. Ivory presented MNF's Annual Financial
Statement for the period ending June 30, 1992. He reviewed the Budget Notes for
FY1991-92 and noted that during MNF's second year of operation programs became
more fully operational, the office became fully staffed, and the
Grantmakers/Grantseekers Seminar (GGS) was fully integrated into the budget. On
balance, the year clarified MNF's actual operating costs. These insights serve as the
basis for the PROPOSED 1992-93 Budget.
Additionally, R. Ivory noted that toward MNF's goal of achieving a stable cash flow
after the Kellogg Grant ends in Year 4 (1993-94), $14,000 were allocated to the
reserve in 1990-91. This year's proposed allocation brings the reserve up to $34,819,
approximately seven weeks of operation.
After review and discussion, the committee unanimously approved the 1991-92
financial statement as presented.
R. Ivory then reviewed the Financial Statements for the first quarter of FY1992-93.
Under revenues he noted that Founding Member contributions are below budget
because invoices are not sent out until after the Annual Meeting. Interest rates are
down due to the economy. Other grants are below budget because they are timed to
come in later in the year.
Under expenses R. Ivory noted that salaries are slightly higher because July had three
payroll periods versus two. Office operations are below budget because much of this
expense is related to GGS and occurs during the last two quarters. After discussion,
the committee approved the first quarter finance report for FY1992-93
While reviewing the development of the FY1993-94 budget, R. Ivory presented the
following recommendation:
AT ITS OCTOBER 7, 1992, MEETING, THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE
CONSIDERED THE AGENDA ITEM OF DEVELOPING THE 1993-94 FINANCIAL PLAN. THE
COMMITTEE WAS UNABLE TO FULLY ADDRESS THIS AGENDA ITEM. As PRIORITIES OF
MNF SET BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES DETERMINE LINE ITEM ALLOCATIONS, THE
BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE TURNS TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR
ASSISTANCE IN ACCOMPLISHING ITS TASK.
THEREFORE, THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS TO THE BOARD
OF TRUSTEES THAT

THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEET IN DECEMBER IN A RETREAT SETTING TO
REVIEW THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF MNF AND DETERMINE MNF PRIORITIES
FOR 1993-94. THIS MEETING SHOULD ALSO ADDRESS:

�1) THE ROLE OF FOUNDING MEMBER ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE CONTEXT
OF AN EXPANDED INVOLVEMENT OF NEW MEMBERS IN MNF;

2) THE NATURE AND SOURCES OF FUTURE GRANTS FOR FUNDING MNF'S
MISSION;
3) THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING PROJECTS DEFINED BY MNF PRIORITIES;
4) STAFFING NEEDS TO ACCOMPLISH MNF'S MISSION.
WITH THE ENDING OF THE THREE YEAR KELLOGG START-UP GRANT AND THE
BEGINNING OF THE SEARCH FOR A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THE RETREAT IS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO MAINTAIN THE MUTUAL "ENLIGHTENED SELF INTEREST" WHICH HAS
DRAWN TOGETHER THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEMBERS, SO THAT WE MIGHT REDISCOVER
VALUE TO SUSTAIN OUR COMMITMENT.
After discussion, the trustees agreed to postpone discussion of this recommendation
until item 14 on the agenda: Discussion of Priorities and Future Plans for the Forum.
6.

Audit Committee Report [Tab 5]: G. Stevens reported that MNF has received a clean
bill of fiscal health for its 1991-92 Audit Report. David Ambrose, MNF's auditor,
has issued an unqualified letter in support of the report and noted that there are no
substantive issues to be brought to the Board's attention. After discussion, the 1991-92
Auditor's Report was unanimously approved.

7.

Membership Committee Report [Tab 6]: D. Johnson thanked those trustees who
enthusiastically volunteered to contact organizations which might be interested in
becoming Network Associate members of MNF. Their dedicated efforts have helped
to create a Campaign which has exceed everyone's expectations. To date MNF has 17
new Network Associate members and nine new Associate members.

8.

Nominating Committee Report [Tab 7]: D. Johnson reviewed the qualifications for
Organizational Members of the Board. The committee made three nominations for
organizational membership to the Board: Michigan Hospital Association, Michigan
Association of Rehabilitation Facilities, and Food Bank Council of Michigan. After
discussion, the nominations were unanimously approved.
D. Johnson then reviewed the qualifications for Network Members of the Board.
Three nominations for network membership were presented: American Cancer Society
- Michigan Section, Volunteer Centers of Michigan, and Michigan Humanities
Council. After discussion, the nominations were unanimously approved.
S. Johns-Boehme then moved that in recognition of the importance of the
environmental sector in our society, that the Michigan United Conservation Clubs be
invited to participate on the Governing Board as a Network Member. After discussion,
this nomination was approved.

9.

Election of New Officers of the Governing Board: D. Johnson reported on the
nominations for officers to MNF's Board of Trustees. She noted that Ed Blews, MNF
secretary and public policy committee chair, wanted to spend more time on public
3

�policy issues and step down from the secretary position. The committee nominated
Herb Yamanishi to replace Ed Blews as secretary. The nominating committee
recognized the need for continuity and stability during MNF's leadership transition and
felt it was important to maintain the remaining slate of officers. Therefore, the
nominations for officers were:
Russell G. Mawby
Helen C. Philpott
Robert E. Ivory
Herb Yamanishi

Chair
Vice-Chair
Treasurer
Secretary

After discussion, the nominations were unanimously approved. The trustees also
thanked E. Blews for his dedicated service as secretary during MNF's start-up years.
E. Blews noted that it was a joy to work with his fellow officers and board members
during these exciting and productive developmental years.
10.

Grantmakers/Grantseekers Program Committee Report [Tab 8]: H. Philpott reported
that the GGV program committee held its second meeting on October 6 and that the
planning for the conference is well underway. Diana Sieger of the Grand Rapids
Foundation is serving as co-chair of GGV; her past experience as co-chair of GGIV has
been invaluable.
GGV will be held at the Hyatt Regency Dearborn on May 14, 1993. The GGV theme
is "Focus on the Future: Creating Caring Communities" and the program committee
hopes to secure Rosalyn Carter as Keynote Speaker. Because the acoustics in the Great
Lakes room are inadequate, there will not be a luncheon speaker this year. Instead
there will be a quick lunch followed by a second general session which will focus on
diversity. This session will be conducted by Dr. Samuel Betances of the University of
Illinois.
H. Philpott also reviewed the final GGIV Financial Report. She noted that GGIV costs
were slightly higher than GGIII costs due to the additional mailing expenses incurred to
combat the registration shortfall. She also noted that while there was a shortfall
between revenues and expenses, Grantmakers/Grantseekers has always been subsidized
by MNF's general fund. This is the first year that the subsidy has been adequately
measured.
H. Philpott pointed out that a subcommittee of the GGV program committee is
pursuing opportunities for corporate sponsorship and display fees to offset the
conference expenses. The subcommittee hopes to attract $20,000 in corporate
sponsorships. Sponsors and vendors will be carefully selected to insure that the
integrity and mission of the conference are upheld.
H. Philpott also mentioned that the committee is looking at the possibility of holding
GGVI at a different facility. For the past three years GGS has been held at the Hyatt
Regency. However, given the limitations of the lunch room and recent problems with
service, the committee felt it was important to investigate other hotels in Michigan.

�11.

Campaign for Voluntarism Report [Tab 9]: G. Romney summarized progress on this
initiative to date. He reaffirmed the importance of this aspect of MNF's mission and
the Forum's unique position to have a lasting impact on the state. The committee
expressed their unanimous support and their deep appreciation for his leadership.

12.

Program &amp; Public Policy Committees Report [Tab 10]: E. Blews reported that this is
indeed an exciting and dramatic time for MNF. He noted that the Summit I tapes are
almost complete and will be available with a written synopsis in the near future.
E. Blews also reviewed the White Paper and its developmental process to date. The
White Paper subcommittee has met twice to review and revise Janne Gallagher's White
Paper draft, which is intended to be a comprehensive statement of values that showcase
the distinctiveness of the nonprofit sector in Michigan. The White Paper can be used to
educate nonprofits, government and business alike on what the nonprofit sector is and is
capable of being.
E. Blews then made the following motion:

THAT THE MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM BOARD OF TRUSTEES RECEIVE THE
DISCUSSION DRAFT OF THE MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM "WHITE PAPER ON VALUES
AND ACCOUNTABILITY," AS REVISED TO REFLECT THE DELIBERATIONS AND WORK OF THE
MNF JOINT PUBLIC POLICY/PROGRAM COMMITTEES ON OCTOBER 9,1992, FOR
PURPOSES OF CIRCULATION TO THE MICHIGAN NONPROFIT COMMUNITY FOR FEEDBACK,
DISCUSSION, FURTHER REFINEMENT AND FORMAL HEARINGS; AND

FURTHER, THAT THE MNF BOARD OF TRUSTEES APPROVE IN CONCEPT THE
PROPOSED SCHEDULE AND PROCESS FOR SOLICITING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK,
HOLDING FORUM HEARINGS AND MODIFYING AND REFINING THE WHITE PAPER WITH
THE GOAL OF FORMAL ADOPTION BY THE BOARD AT ITS MAY 1993 MEETING.
After discussion, the trustees approved the motion.
13.

Tax Incentive Study Group Report: Co-Chairs R. Ivory and D. Johnson reviewed the
progress of this committee to date. The Committee has retained Public Affairs
Associates, Inc., of Lansing. The group has an extensive background in dealing with tax
issues and the legislature, as well as experience working with the nonprofit sector. The
Council of Michigan Foundations and the United Way of Michigan have both
contributed $5,000 toward the $30,000 consulting fee of the Public Affairs Associates,
Inc. The Committee is in the process of securing funds for the remainder of the fee.
Public Affairs Associates, Inc. is working jointly with Gary Wolfram, Economics
Professor at Hillsdale College and former Deputy Treasurer of Michigan. The
committee has extensively reviewed the first draft of Dr. Wolfram's paper which details
the economic and social effect of tax incentives for the entire Michigan nonprofit sector.
The draft is being rewritten for review by the committee in mid-November.

14.

Executive Search Committee Report: Chair H. Philpott reported that MNF will
undertake a "modified national" search, relying on the candidate recommendations of
trustees and key contacts. Advertising of the position will be limited to select Michigan

�publications and the Chronicle of Philanthropy. She indicated the committee will work
on a four-month timetable, anticipating filling the position by February 1, 1993.
15.

Discussion of Priorities and Future Plans for the Forum [Tab 11]: There was
considerable discussion regarding the priorities and future direction of the Forum. The
finance committee's motion to conduct an all-day Board retreat was taken from the table
and approved. Chairman Mawby instructed the Forum staff to survey the membership
for availability of an early January meeting. He also suggested that the executive
committee meet to discuss the most appropriate process to prepare for and conduct the
retreat.

16.

Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 3:00 p.m.

Respectfully Submitted by:

Herbert Yamanishi, Secretary

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                    <text>MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
38 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022

Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/355-3302
An alliance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

Agenda
MNF Board of Trustees
Wednesday, May 11, 1993 ~ 12:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m.
Hyatt Regency, Houston/San Francisco Room, Dearborn, Michigan

1.) Call to Order/Welcome

Russell Mawby

2.) Approval of November 11, 1993, Minutes [Tab 1]

Russell Mawby

3.) Report of the Bylaws Committee
Paul Williams
Proposed Changes to the Articles of Incorporation [Tab 2]
Proposed Changes to the MNF Bylaws [Tab 3]
4.) Nominating Committee Report [Tab 4]
Confirmation of At-Large Trustees
Appointment of Association Trustees
Establishment of MNF Advisory Cabinet
Election of 1994-95 Officers

Dorothy Johnson

5.) Executive Director's Report [Tab 5]

David Egner

6.) Nonprofit Retirement Program Committee Report [Tab 6]

Gerard Keidel

7.) Membership Committee Report

Anne Rosewarne

8.) Finance Committee Report
Review 1993-94 Revised Budget [Tab 7]
Review 1994-95 Proposed Budget [Budget Tab]

Robert Ivory

9.) Volunteerism Report [Tab 8]

Sharon Radtke
George Romney

10.) Public Policy Committee Report
Review Michigan and Federal Legislative Issues [Tab 9]
Discussion of Tax Incentive Paper [Tab 10]

Edward Blews

12.) Grantmakers/Grantseekers VI Preview

Helen Philpott

13.) Adjournment

FIIE

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34 KELLOGG CENTER
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Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327

MNF Summit- February 28. 1992
"Partnerships for People and Progress:
The Nonprofit Sector's Evolving Relationship with
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Ms. Maryellen I. Lewis
Executive Director
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Moderator
Dr. Edward 0. Blews, Jr.
President
Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Michigan
Speaker
Dr. Robert L. Payton
Director
Center on Philanthropy, Indiana University
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Mr. N. Charles Anderson
President
Detroit Urban League

Mr. Joseph P. Bianco, Jr.
Executive V .P., Founders Society
Detroit Institute of Arts

Hon. Richard Bandstra
State Representative
MI House of Representatives

Mr. Aaron Cantrell
Vice Chair/Voluntary Action Ctrs of MI
Executive Director
Voluntary Action Center of Kalamazoo

Mr. Anthony Benavides
Third Ward Councilmember
City of Lansing

Dr. Jane Deane Clark
Senior Director
Michigan Health Care Institute
Michigan Hospital Association

�---- ---

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Mr. Edward L. Cox

Mr. Lawrence Roehrig

President and Chief Financial Officer
Accident Fund of Michigan

Secretary/Treasurer
AFSCME, Council 25
AFL-CIO

Fr. William Cunningham
Executive Director
Focus: HOPE

Dr. William A. Sederburg
V.P. for Public Policy and Director
Public Sector Consultants

Mr. James Epolito
Chief Executive Officer
Blue Care Network/Health Central
Ms. Janne G. Gallagher
Counsel
Harmon, Curran, Gallagher &amp; Spielberg

Ms. Elizabeth Upjohn
Board Member
Kalamazoo Foundation
Ron. Jackie Vaughn ill
State Senator
Michigan State Senate

Mr. Frederick H. Hoffecker
Assistant Attorney General
State of MilCharitable Trust Division

Dr. Mark I. Wilson
Director
Nonprofit Michigan Project, MSU

Mr. Robert E. Ivory
President
United Way of Michigan
Ron. James A. Kosteva
State Representative
MI House of Representatives

Ms. Lois Work
Vice President
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Mr. Herbert Y amanishi
Executive Director
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Executive Vice President
Michigan Catholic Conference
Dr. Russell G. Mawby
Chairman and CEO
W .K. Kellogg Foundation
Ms. Judith Miller
Michigan Business Ombudsman
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34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327

MNF Summit- February 28, 1992
"Partnerships for People and Progress:
The Nonprofit Sector's Evolving Relationship with
Michigan's Government and Business Community"
Convener
Ms. Maryellen J. Lewis
Executive Director
Michigan Nonprofit Forum
Moderator
Dr. Edward 0. Blews, Jr.
President
Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Michigan
Speaker
Dr. Robert L. Payton
Director
Center on Philanthropy, Indiana University
Panel Members

Mr. N. Charles Anderson
President
Detroit Urban League

Mr. Joseph P. Bianco, Jr.
Executive V.P., Founders Society
Detroit Institute of Arts

Hon. Richard Bandstra
State Representative
MI House of Representatives

Mr. Aaron Cantrell
Vice Chair/Voluntary Action Ctrs of MI
Executive Director
Voluntary Action Center of Kalamazoo

Mr. Anthony Benavides
Third Ward Councilmember
City of Lansing

Dr. Jane Deane Clark
Senior Director
Michigan Health Care Institute
Michigan Hospital Association

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President and Chief Financial Officer
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Fr. William Cunningham
Executive Director
Focus: HOPE

Mr. James Epolito
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Blue Care Network/Health Central
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Mr. Lawrence Roehrig
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AFL-CIO
Dr. William A. Sederburg
V .P. for Public Policy and Director
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Michigan State Senate

Mr. Frederick H. Hoffecker
Assistant Attorney General
State of MilCharitable Trust Division

Mr. Robert E. Ivory
President
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Hon. James A. Kosteva
State Representative
MI House of Representatives

Dr. Mark I. Wilson
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Ms. Lois Work
Vice President
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Mr. Herbert Y amanishi
Executive Director
MI Community Action Agency Assoc.

Sr. Monica Kostielney
Executive Vice President
Michigan Catholic Conference
Dr. Russell G. Mawby
Chairman and CEO
W .K. Kellogg Foundation
Ms. Judith Miller
Michigan Business Ombudsman
Michigan Department of Commerce

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An alliance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

MNF Summit - February 28. 1992
"Partnerships for People and Progress:
The Nonprofit Sector's Evolving Relationship with
Michigan fs Government and Business Community "
Convener
Ms. Maryellen J. Lewis
Executive Director
Michigan Nonprofit Forum
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Dr. Edward O. Blews, Jr.
President
Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Michigan
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Dr. Robert L. Payton
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Detroit Urban League

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Detroit Institute of Arts

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State Representative
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Fr. William Cunningham
Executive Director
Focus: HOPE
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Blue Care Network/Health Central
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Mr. Frederick H. Hoffecker
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State of Ml/Charitable Trust Division
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Hon. James A. Kosteva
State Representative
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AFSCME, Council 25
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State Senator
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Dr, Mark I. Wilson
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Nonprofit Michigan Project, MSU
Ms. Lois Work
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New Detroit
Mr. Herbert Yamanishi
Executive Director
MI Community Action Agency Assoc.

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Executive Vice President
Michigan Catholic Conference
Dr. Russell G. Mawby
Chairman and CEO
W.K. Kellogg Foundation
Ms. Judith Miller
Michigan Business Ombudsman
Michigan Department of Commerce

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34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An ailianct to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

MNF Summit - February 28. 1992
"Partnerships for People and Progress:
The Nonprofit Sector's Evolving Relationship with
Michigan's Government and Business Community"
Convener
Ms. Maryellen J. Lewis
Executive Director
Michigan Nonprofit Forum
Moderator
Dr. Edward O. Blews, Jr.
President
Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Michigan
Speaker
Dr. Robert L. Payton
Director
Center on Philanthropy, Indiana University
Panel Members
Mr. N. Charles Anderson
President
Detroit Urban League

Mr. Joseph P. Bianco, Jr.
Executive V.P., Founders Society
Detroit Institute of Arts

Hon. Richard Bandstra
State Representative
MI House of Representatives

Dr. Jane Deanne Clark
Senior Director
Michigan Health Care Institute
Michigan Hospital Association

Mr. Anthony Benavides
Third Ward Councilmember
City of Lansing

Mr. Edward L. Cox
President and Chief Financial Officer
Accident Fund of Michigan

�Fr. William Cunningham
Executive Director
Focus: HOPE
Mr. James Epolito
Chief Executive Officer
Blue Care Network/Health Central
Ms. Jaime G. Gallagher
Counsel
Harmon, Curran, Gallagher &amp; Spielberg
Mr. Robert E. Ivory
President
United Way of Michigan
Hon. James A. Kosteva
State Representative
MI House of Representatives
Sr. Monica Kostielney
Executive Vice President
Michigan Catholic Conference
Dr. Russell G. Mawby
Chairman and CEO
W.K. Kellogg Foundation

Mr. Lawrence Roehrig
Secretary/Treasurer
AFSCME, Council 25
AFL-CIO
Dr. William A. Sederburg
V.P. for Public Policy and Director
Public Sector Consultants
Ms. Elizabeth Upjohn
Board Member
Kalamazoo Foundation
Hon. Jackie Vaughn in
State Senator
Michigan State Senate
Dr. Mark I. Wilson
Director
Nonprofit Michigan Project, MSU
Ms. Lois Work
Vice President
New Detroit
Mr. Herbert Yamanishi
Executive Director
MI Community Action Agency Assoc.

Ms. Judith Miller
Michigan Business Ombudsman
Michigan Department of Commerce

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�MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An alliance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan,

MNF Summit - February 28. 1992
"Partnerships for People and Progress:
The Nonprofit Sector's Evolving Relationship with
Michigan *s Government and Business Community "

Audience Members
Mr . James Barrett
President
Michigan State Chamber of Commerce

Dr. Christopher M. Clark
Professor of Education
Michigan State University

Ms. Susan Bolhouse
Vice President
Waverly Board of Education

Ms. Donna M. Clarke
Administrative Assistant
Michigan Nonprofit Forum

Mr. Paul Booden
Director
Michigan Health Occupations

Dr. Kenneth E. Corey
Dean, College of Science
Michigan State University

Ms. Betty Boone
Interim Director
MI Council for Arts &amp; Cultural Affairs

Mr. William Dansby
Executive Vice President
Michigan Optometric Association

Judge Thomas E. Brennan
President
Thomas M. Cooley Law School

Mr. Arthur Dudley
President
Greater Lansing Urban League

Mr. Aaron Cantrell
Executive Director
Voluntary Action Cntr/Gr. Kalamazoo
V.P., Volunteer Centers of Michigan

Mr. David O. Egner
Executive Assistant to the Chairman
W.K. Kellogg Foundation

�Mr. David Fukuzawa
Program Director
The Skillman Foundation

Ms. Sharon Parks
Senior Research Associate
Michigan League for Human Services

Ms. Barbara K. Goldman
Office of Ombudsman
Department of Commerce

Mr. W. Calvin Patterson
Executive Director
McGregor Fund

Mr. James Helmrich
Public Relations Director
Michigan Bell Telephone Company

Ms. Linda Patterson
Administrative Director
Council of Michigan Foundations

Mr. Frederick H. Hoffecker
Assistant Attorney General
State of Ml/Charitable Trust Division

Ms. Helen C. Philpott
Chairman
Community Foundation of Greater Flint

Mr. Steven L. Johns-Boehme
Executive Coordinator
Michigan Ecumenical Forum

Ms. Judith A. Rapanos
Chairman
MI Council for Arts &amp; Cultural Affairs

Ms. Dorothy A. Johnson
President
Council of Michigan Foundations

Dr. Rene Rosenbaum
Research Associate
Julian Samora Research Institute

Mr. Glenn F. Kossick
Executive Director
Metro Health Foundation

Mr. Glenn R. Stevens
Executive Director
Presidents Council,
State Universities of Michigan

Dr. Judith Lanier
President
Partnership for New Education
Mr. Forrest Lewis
CPA
Plante &amp; Moran
Mr. Robert S. Lewis
Consultant
Lewis Associates
Ms. Frances Parker
President
League of Women Voters of Michigan

Mrs. Maryann Tillson
Administrative Secretary
Michigan Nonprofit Forum
Mr. Thomas Turner
Secretary/Treasurer
Michigan AFL-CIO
Rev. Leonard M. Young
Michigan Region President
RLDS Church
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�MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An alliance to promote giving^ volunteering and a strong^ effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

SUMMIT FEEDBACK
Please take a few moments at the conclusion of the summit to answer the following
questions. Your thoughts are important to us. You will help us in our assessment of this
session and provide some direction for future summits. Please leave this form on your
chair.
1.

What was most valuable to you in today's summit?

2.

Was this a useful format for addressing the issue? What changes in the format, if
any, would you suggest?

3.

What would you suggest as important nonprofit-related issues for consideration at a
future summit?

4.

Who are other Michigan leaders we should invite to future summits? Please indicate
both name and organization.

�MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An affiance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

MNF Summit - February 28. 1992
"Partnerships for People and Progress:
The Nonprofit Sector's Evolving Relationship 'with
Michigan's Government and Business Community "

NOTES:

��MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
Ail alliance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

Maryellen J. Lewis, Executive Director
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The Michigan Nonprofit Forum is a statewide alliance
to prqmote the awareness and effectiveness of
Michigan's nonprofit sector, and to advance the cause of
voluntarism and philanthropy in the state.
Background. In response to challenges facing the nation's nonprofit
sector, volunteer leaders and executives often statewide organizations concerned
with voluntarism and philanthropy in Michigan met on August 31, 1988 to form
the Michigan Nonprofit Forum. Initially designed to convene members for joint
discussions about shared issues, the Forum has evolved into an entity charged
with achieving a new awareness and increased capacity of Michigan s nonprofit
sector, and with interfacing funders, nonprofits and the public (working together
with existing efforts in the state) to promote voluntarism and philanthropy in
Michigan.
To achieve these goals, the Forum does not itself serve as a field-specific
trade association, competing for memberships and support with existing
associations in Michigan. Instead, the Michigan Nonprofit Forum creates, for
the first time, a statewide mechanism for dialogue, planning and cooperative
action among all stakeholders in the nonprofit sector. The Forum brings together
local and statewide leaders of nonprofit organizations, as well as public and
private funders and tax-supported institutions (such as the public schools and
universities) that also have an increasingly-recognized stake.
The activities of the Forum address voluntarism, philanthropy and the
nonprofit sector not as proprietary interests but aspubiic gopds. which broadly
affect the state's economy, polity and quality of life, and which therefore merit
careful analysis and planning, human resource development, informed public
discussion, and dependable investment.

�MNF Board of Trustees
The Forum's Board of Trustees serves as the governing body. Although it
is not intended to represent all stakeholders — an impossible task ~ it does bring
together a small number of statewide organizations and their elected member
representatives, to achieve a broad reach into many fields.
Organizational Members
Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Michigan
Council of Michigan Foundations
Council of Michigan Urban Leagues
Jewish Community Council
Michigan Association of School Administrators
Michigan Association of School Boards
Congress of National Black Churches/Michigan Affiliate*
Michigan Catholic Conference
Michigan Community Action Agency Association
Michigan Community College Association
Michigan Council for Arts and Cultural Affairs
Michigan Ecumenical Forum
Michigan Health Council
Michigan League for Human Services
Presidents Council, State Universities of Michigan
United Way of Michigan
At Large Members
Richard H. Austin, Michigan Secretary of State
John S. Lore, National Vice Chair, National Society of Fund
Raising Executives
Russell G. Mawby, CEO and Chairman, W.K. Kellogg Foundation
George W. Romney, Chairman. The National Volunteer Center, and
Former Governor of Michigan
Elizabeth S. Upjohn, Vice Chairman, Kalamazoo Foundation

"Invited, still in formation
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34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An alliance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan,

Guiding Principles of the Michigan Nonprofit Forum
Adopted by the Board of Trustees
October 28,1991

A. The future of Michigan's economic well-being and quality of life depends on the
commitment of its citizens and future citizens to the values of the nonprofit sector.
Therefore it is in the best interest of the sector and the state to actively encourage voluntary
giving and service.
B. The service of the nonprofit sector to the public depends on an interactive partnership
between service providers, funders, policy makers and the public. The Michigan nonprofit
community should promote constructive dialogue among all these parties.
C. In order to assist in re-educating the public and public leaders with concrete evidence of
the PUBLIC BENEFIT of the nonprofit sector, the Michigan nonprofit community should
encourage and undertake studies of its many unique benefits provided to the community at
large.
D. Michigan's nonprofit sector should define and aspire to the highest management
standards of ethics, efficiency, and accountability, while preserving its historic and essential
independence.
E. The Michigan nonprofit community should develop and advance the philosophy of tax
exemption, as well as positive public policies and incentives, to promote the vitality of the
sector; and then play an active role in encouraging Michigan's leadership — including elected
officials — to embrace it.
F. The Michigan nonprofit sector should take an active role in shaping statewide regulations
and rulings that define clear, consistent interpretations and applications for purposes of tax
exemption.

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                    <text>MICillGAN NONPROFIT FORUM

MNF SUMMIT

February 28, 1992

"Partnerships for People and Progress:
The Nonprofit Sector's Evolving Relationship with
Michigan's Government and Business Community

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�MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
SUMMIT

February 28, 1992
Lewis:

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I hate to say that we're already running a little lat
its
not a great way to start but its just an exciting
ning. I
want to welcome you to this first Summit of
e Michigan
Nonprofit Forum.
I'm Maryellen Lewis.
I 'rn
e Executive
Director of the Michigan Nonprofit Forum whic is sponsoring
this event. You' 11 be hearing much more abo
it when it's on
the tape.
Right now, we're not so I can e a little more
relaxed.
We have a very, very distinguished
here this morning.
representing leadership from
ree parts of our
communities -- government, business an the non-profit sector.
We also have a very, very distingui ed audience, so I know
~hat its going to be very lively.
ou will be hearing more
about that when our moderator be ins.
I want you to be
encouraged to speak up, to make
ur comments, particularly
the audience at the invited sec ions, to be sure that you
don't feel intimidated by thes cameras around here or the
fact that there are television ights focused down on you.
You will be getting an overvi
of this morning's program from
our moderator, but I wanted o take a few minutea to give you
a little orientation, just s a set-up, because I know it may
be unfamiliar to some of ou.
In case you ha~'t noticed,
you're being filmed and aped, but I don't want you to be
nervous about that.
Th e have been a lot of arrangements
made to make this as ac ommodating as possible.
The tables are triple lathed so that there won't be a noise
problem.
You have
need to worry about the mikes. · You
don't have to touch
em. In fact, it would be much better if
you didn't.
Andy
don't need to lean in to them. · Just
speak normally.
T ey're set up to accommodate to you.
It
would be best if y
did pay a little attention to your papers
apd not have th papers brush up against the microphones.
That can cause
me problems.
Also, please ~ep in mind that the discussion is not just
among the p
le who are here today, although that's your
immediate au ·ence. But because this is being taped, we will
be editing pe tape and it will be used through our network
statewide
r educating and informing the public around the
state abo
these very issues. They will be used at ... the
edited t
e will be used as a stimulus for round table
discussi
in various parts of the state.
I should also
point ou that word "editing" means that you don't have to
worry t
much if you make some kind of a snafu and you want
it cut .ut, . it will go right on the cutting room floor.
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The cameras ... The microphones are automa
That is, when
you begin to speak, the microphones autom ically pick you up.
That means that if you're talking to y r ne· hbors, it will
pick you up. So please pay a little b. of
tention to that.
However, the cameras are not automati and
cause of that, we
will need to pay a little bit of att tion o accommodating to
our camera crews.
So our moderat r wil recognize you.
If
you wouldn't mind paying some a tenti
to this moment of
having him recognize you so that the c era can then turn to
you. Now that may get a little more
fficult if things get
a little hot, but, for the mos part, we'll try to do that.
And with this audience that we have
re, I'd like to make two
points for you so that you'r ' full~ aware of this. This mike
is not live now, I believe but ill be when we have the
points where the audience w·11 be invited to speak. When you
speak, would you please wai to b recognized by the moderator
_so that, again, the camera can ocus on you. You might want
to, during the discussion, take orne notes (There is notepaper
in your folders.) so tha yo can direct your comments to
specific people or point tha were raised. And remember it
will be edited so your
mm ts can then be put adjacent to
those comments in the f nal tape. Also, when you do speak,
please say your name, yo r
ganization and your title so that
those who are not here in this room and who won't know you
will have some underst nd · g of where you are coming from.
And now I think that w '
ready to begin. I see the cameras
are all focused and e dy.
Our moderator this morning is
someone that most of .Y
already know very well.
He is the
President of the Ass ciation of Independent Colleges and
Universities of Mic I . gan, and he is also the Chair of the
Public Policy Commi~ e of the Michigan Nonprofit Forum. I'm
very pleased to int oduce to you Dr. Edward Blews.
Blews:

Thank you, Maryel n. These are my pre-camera remarks. I'm
your Phil Donohue or the day. I will be much kinder, though,
than he general! / is to his audiences. I would like to offer
&amp;.. word of co
endation to Maryellen Lewis and our MNF
Executive Dire or and her staff for all of the work that they
have put into his wonderful project. And I'd like to thank
ea:h ?f you l a~ers who graciously consented to participate.
Th1s :s an e it1ng but maiden voyage and trial r~n of a grand
experLment, o please bear with us and be adaptable ~s we go.
Before th

'Cameras roll, I would like to share just a few
nd ground rules about the logistic~. First about
.
.t.
From now until about 9:40 we'll h~~e the
1.ntroduc 1.on of the Summit, Dr. Robert Payton's comments
~e' 11 s t . the stage for dialogue, and then we '11 have th~
1.ntrod t1on ?f the panelists, and it's my job to try to keep
us on rack w1th that process. Then from about 9:40 to noon,
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�with a mid-morning break I assure you, we will go through
three stages of dialogue.
Stage 1 in lves dentification,
definition and values of the nonprofi sect
Stage 2 will
speak to the relationship between g vernm t, business, the
nonprofit sector and the changi g d
issues and
tensions that are at play in tho
re
ionships.
Stage 3
will involve insights for the fu ure
the relationship or
the question, "Where do we go fr m he e?" That gives all of
you, then a sense of where we h pe
be going today.
A few other preparatory commen
f
the panelists in addition
to what Maryellen has shared, ; an as panelists you'll want to
be prepared for a couple of s e
that will come very quickly
after Dr. Payton's remarks. F rst, we ask you to please be
prepared to briefly introduc
ourselves around the. table. So
rather than having the mode a or drone on as you sit there and
stiffly smile and the came
pans the room, each of you will
tell the audience, both t
video tape audience and the real
- people in the audience h
, who you are. We ask you to be
very brief in that and s
e this information about yourself:
your name, your title,
name of your organization, and one
sentence about what y
represent or the constituency or
interest that you repr ent. If you wish, you're welcome to
write out a note about that before that point in the program.
A fore-warning.
gin Stage 1, we will play a little word
association game.
m not going to tell you what the word is
yet or you won't b very spontaneous about it.
But we ask
you ... There will b two of these, and we ask you to write that
word on what shou
be a fairly stiff piece of card-type paper
in front of you. · And you'll want to locate that and be sure
that you have th
The one word you' 11 write on the one side
and then write t:he other on the other, and you've got a
marking pen at
ur table so you can write it nice and legibly
and boldly an
argely so that as we go around and do this
word associa
, we'll ask you to hold up the card and be
sure to poin
toward a camera so that as you say the word,
the camera c ' n also visually pick up the association that you
have made.

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Thirdly,
1 ur discussion we want to focus on principles,
dynamics ~ relationships. Please feel free to cite cases or
issues i
llustration of principles or relationships; but
let's av i debating interminably specific issues or specific
.politic
issues.
We want to focus on principles and on
relatio ihips here.
Though J hours seems like a lot of time, with the caliber of
the h ~ts and minds on this panel, I assure you that it will
fly
it already is flying.
We have a full agenda, so
plea
be frank and forceful in your comments, but also try to
be
ccinct. On the other hand, I will need plenty of help in

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J
trying to moderate this panel, particularl
n avoiding dead
space on the air.
So please be read~
jump in -- freely
jump in. But I do ask you to give s~
sort of a signal when
you're ready to speak out so that .
an attempt to recognize
you and that also gives us the/'~ se that brings the camera
around to you. If you use ac;o
s, please help to interpret
them. Realize that we're ta
ng to an audience that does not
necessarily know what IC
which happens to be the acronym
for our association. I
bt that any of you knew what that
acronym meant until I
mentioned it.
to the audience.
As Maryellen has
And then an inv it
mentioned, there
11 be 2 points in the program where you
will be invited
come to the microphone here and join in the
discussion. T
first will occur at the end of Stage 1 of the
discussion wh
we talk about identification of the nonprofit
sector, and
en the second will come at the end of Stage 3 as
we try to
ing a sense of closure and a sense of conclusion
-to the d
berations of the day.
I trus that I have anticipated any questions that you may
have
d, having said that then, we will not proceed with all
due arning to the cameras to the formal part of the program
he
today.
Hello. It is my privilege to welcome you to this special and
first summit sponsored by the Michigan Nonprofit Forum. On
behalf of the forum's Chair, Dr. Russell Mawby, our Executive
Director, Maryellen Lewis, and the Board of Directors of the
Forum, many of whom are gathered in this room, we invite yQu
to brace yourself for a lively and energetic dialogue about
some issues and relationships very important in our society
today. My name is Edward Blews, and in my professional life,
I serve as the President of the of the Association of
Independent Colleges and Universities of Michigan.
But I
stand before you today, as a member of the Board of Directors
of the Michigan Nonprofit Forum.
Established in 1988, the
Michigan Nonprofit Forum is a dynamic new coalition of
statewide organizations and leaders representing the wonderful
diversity of nonprofit entities. The Michigan Nonprofit Forum
describes itself as, and I quote, " ... a statewide alliance to
promote the awareness and effectiveness of Michigan's
nonprofit sector and to advance the cause of volunteerism and
philanthropy in the state." In its relatively short life but
rapid maturation, the Forum has evolved into an enterprise
charged with achieving a new awareness and increased capacity
of Michigan's nonprofit sector, and with interfacing funders,
nonprofits and the public to help promote volunteerism and
philanthropy in this state of our's.

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'!'he Board of Directors of the Forum has adopted 6 guiding
principles designed to reflect the mission of the Michigan
Nonprofit Forum. One of those principles states, "The service
-of the nonprofit sector to the public depends on an
interactive partnership between service providers or nonprofit
entities, funders, policy makers and the public. The Michigan
nonprofit community should promote constructive dialogue among
all these parties."
You will probably hear the word "mission" used rather
frequently, or so we hope, during the discussions of the day.
This Summit which brings us together really goes to the very
heart of the Michigan Nonprofit Forum's mission. Those of you
who talk and those of you who listen and look in on today's
proceedings are really participating in a rather historic
event. This is a unique undertaking, an exciting experiment.
It is the first in a series of forums bringing together our
society's leaders to think on compelling issues aff~cting our
society and the nonprofit sector. The purpose, though, is not
to provide the answers but rather to pose and clarify and
stimulate the
est·
rom th~m to sga~ - ~q 9n- o
dialogue
this par
ou
all - It

s
Now very shortly we will be introducing our very distinguished
panel of government, business and nonprofit leaders.
But
first, to set the stage for our dialogue, we will hear some
.remarks by a very distinguished national leader and recognized
expert on philanthropy. Before I introduce him, let me simply
mention for the information of the audience that he has
prepared and circulated to the panelists today a paper
discussing
the theme of this particular summit and he will
(
share some comments about that theme in just a moment. His
name is Dr. Robert L. Payton. He comes to us as the Director
of the Center on Philanthropy at Indiana University.
From
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1977 to 1987, he served as the President of the EXXON
Education Foundation. His very impressive leadership career
has included 2 college presidencies and a United States
Ambassadorship. The recipient of honors to numerous to cite,
he is an author on philanthropy who puts his words into action
as leader and volunteer for countless good causes.
Please
J01n me in welcoming Dr. Payton to address us on the topic at
hand. Dr. Payton.

Payton:

Good morning. I am very pleased to be here with you. I was
pleased to be invited to prepare the paper that has been
circulated to you. It occurred to me when someone commented
before the meeting that they had read the paper that I hope it
is provocative enough to serve its purpose, but not so
provocative that it puts its author in jeopardy.
I hope to
stimulate conversation that comes from you because you
~ £.Q_~!ty_ t:._hc?~ is the matter of fQPC~~n _QI! tht§ _

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Over the last several years, along with everyone else, I have
been profoundly impressed by the events in Central and Eastern
Europe. I'm old enough to be able to say that my generation
as a generation never believed that it was possible that such
events
would
take
place without
vast
bloodshed and
destruction.
So it is that this most extraordinary event
provide us with, I think, an extraordinarily important
opportunity.
Given the conditions that would cause this meeting to be of
compelling interest to the people in Michigan, what would an
analogous meeting bE like in Russia today? Who would come and
w_hat values and understandings would they bring?
We're
advised they're invited to provide advice increasingly to
countries in that part of the world that will help them
develop a third sector. What we are watching is a situation
where societies are moving from a condition of being one
sector societies, with strong encouragement from the West to
-become two sector societies in the beginnings of suggestions
that they should become three s e ctor societies.
It is my
strong conviction that unless they become three sector
societies, they will not become democracies.
It is my very
strong conviction that understanding that the United States is
a three sector society is essential to understanding it as a
democratic society.

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�This is not a subject at the margin of our interests. This is
a subject at the center of our lives, whichever sector we are
parts of, because as citizens we have had the great good
fortune to become members -- to be members of a three sector
society. The first sector can be thought of -- the government
that is -- as having an essential defining term, and the term
that I have to use that says that without it you can't talk
about government is the word "power"; the legitimate use of
force in behalf of the community. If you take the notion of
that away from your notion of government, it seems to me your
notion of government collapses.
There is a defining term of the second sector that will be
something like the word "wealth" or the word "property"; the
right to acquire and use and to dispose of wealth and property
according to your own individual private interests. If you
were to take that out of the marketplace, the second sector,
~t would collapse.
So my habit as a professor is to say to my students, "Then, of
course, you're ready to tell me what the defining term is for
the third sector. " And, along with most professors, there has
been a heavy, ominous silence. I will break the silence and
tell you that my notion is that the word has to have something
to do with morality, and I mean morality only in the sense
that intervening in the lives of other people for their
benefit with no public mandate is a moral action. And if you
took that out of the third sector, you wouldn't have a third
sector.

Final
for a · stance
responsi ·lity.
asking fo
n9 formal
what we usua
might come t
articulated
request for
of self-he
has no fo
reasonab
doing to
ally, the central
er, complex system
ay, usually with a cu
cardboard box with the
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the place of self-help in
alking about. . . I do this,
A cube is, in my case, a
ords around the side. Its

�the kind of thing that Rubik w ld have designed as a cube if
he'd nly had tenth grade geo try like I did. But the first
face o it, in other words, s ys "self-help." The second face
says
utual aid.
What
e you and your family and your
friend
and your neighbo s and your associates and your
collea es and those othe people who do have some f
al or
informa claim on you, wh
re you doing in that waY, working
togethe with others, to de
with the problem?
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or so diff
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us to part
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ord "goverrunent a sistance."
any things that e cannot do
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re some t ·ngs that ar so important
omplicated t at we have o a~sume that
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we will require all of
some way, that
to sa , the simplest,
e will decide t
tax a e another to do
se 3 questions is
red -- self-help,
ent assistance
ome plausible way,
or you, you then fa
the philanthropic
u prepared to offer as ist nee to help those
you have no personal,
responsibility?

Now a cube h s
bottom and I'm
not trying t
uggest superiority a d inferio "ty here. But
since we're
lking about philant opy, the t p of the box
says that t
e is a dimension t at cuts thro gh all these
things all t
time and that's th word ~~altruis
concern
about othe
If that were t a factor in the human
condition,
uldn't be here. We wouldn't be ta king about
this subje t.
t's always pre ent to some extent
The most
:igid, ri~ ro s libertarian is !truistic to some e ent, like
~t or no
then all the est of us who are,
viously,
high-min d a d altruistic are also egoistic, self-i terested
-- to s e ex e t. And altruism and egoism are not only on
the top and t e bottom of the box, they are on each side of
t!lis d · cussio . That the people who come to you have a selfinter t just s you have an altruistic one. But you should
reme er they h~ve altruistic concerns and that you have selfinter sted ones\.
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ink some of these brief notes are intended to suggest that
this first sector of government, these notions of self-help
and mutual aid in the marketplace and elsewhere, and
philanthropy -- self-interest -- concern about others -interact in our lives in absolutely extraordinary and
wonderful ways that makes our society, in my judgement, the
most privileged that I know of. And I hope that sense is not
something that one is that proud about in the sense that its
a claim of virtue on one's part because we are not here

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�because of our own initiatives but because of others who have
gone before us have made it possible and desirable for us to
be here.
That principle of the philanthropic tradition that we are part
of is what, I think, really distinguishes American democracy.
It is the best thing, I think, that we have that we can share
with the rest of the world.
It is the best tradition, I
think, to help us face the kinds of difficulties you're
talking about in your community and we're talking about in
mine today.
Each one of us is not just part of a sector.
Each one of us is a part of that tradition, And so I wish you
well in your discussions and will close at that point -- short
of my normal 50 minute lecture.
Thank you.
Slews:

Thank you, Dr. Payton. I'm certain you were very popular with
your students with that kind of lecture.
To carry on the dialogue from here, we have gathered around
this table a panel of leaders from government, from the
business ~orld and from the nonprofit world.
And at this
point I'm going to toss out a little teaser because it may
that there is a fourth sector.
These 3 sectors that I have
mentioned, and sector is a term that we will hear frequently
today, are certainly a significant, significant part of the
infrastructure of our society. The government or the public
sector, the business world or the for-profit sector, and the
nonprofit sector or what is sometimes called the charitable
world.
And I will mention the teaser, that there may be a
fourth sector that somebody may strike upon as we continue our
dialogue here.
There are 2 things in particular that strike me about this
particular panel.
The first is that they are a very, very
distinguished group of government, business and nonprofit
leaders. The second thing that strikes me about this panel is
its diversity.
Now I am also acutely aware that a panel of
leaders like this cannot be kept down and cannot be kept
silent for very long.
And so we are going to now ask each
member of the panel to briefly introduce himself or herself
and the perspective from which they speak to us today,
beginning with Mr. Yamanishi on my left.

Yamanishi:

Thank you.
My name is Herb Yamanishi.
I'm the Executive
Director of the Michigan Community Action Agency Association.
Community Action Agencies are part of the old War on Poverty
Program.
We cover all 83 counties of the State of Michigan
and are one of the largest social service/human se:;vice
delivery systems in the State of Michigan serving pver a
million and a half people. - ~d cni'isi a•A 7 l' enanr;t? j7Blv+nt=the
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Sederburg:

Mawby:

I'm Bill Sederburg,
Vice President of Public Sector
Consultants here in Lansing, Michigan.
Public Sector
Consultants is an independent, for-profit research firm
specializing_ in ~tate P'!!Uic .policy _ ,Qnd .public ...opin~
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sure exactlry what sector I'm supposed to be representing, so
I think I'll represent the for-profit sector today and shed my
12 years previous experience of Qeing in the State
Legislature. I'll let the other folks on the panel that are
currently in the Legislature try to defend that in~titution • .
I'm Russ Mawby, Chairman
W. K. Kellogg Foundation
-grant-making foundation.
as the Chairman of the
Nonprofit Forum.

and Chief Executive Officer of the
which is an independent, private
I also have the privilege of serving
Board of Trustees of the Michigan

Up john:

I 'rn Elizabeth Up john.
I'm Vice Chair of the Kalamazoo
Foundation.
I am 1992 Campaign Chairman of the Greater
Kalamazoo United Way Campaign, so you can see I'm a bit of a
masochist.
I am new kid on the block as far as the Michigan
Nonprofit Forum is concerned, and delighted to be here. I've
been a volunteer in Kalamazoo County for more than 42 years.

Kostielney:

I'm Sister Monica Kostielney, the Executive Director of the
Michigan Catholic Conference, which is the public policy arm
for the Roman Catholic Church in Michigan, which addresses the
issues ranging f~c_:&gt;m, ~g~ng __ to taxation and everyt!ling- in _
betwe~n, 'l
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Father William Cunningham, Director of Focus Hope which is
a Metropolitan Detroit Human and Civil Rights organization,
and our objective over the past 23 years has been to stimulate
people and help people to become p~_y.ctive as a major part.£!
their ri ht in . humS\n. di,gn.i,~y ! /
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I 'm Larry Roehrig.
I 'm Secretary /Treasurer of the
American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees,
Council 25.
I'm here on behalf of the entire membership of
the Michigan AFL-CIO ·0[a£Stapds fsa elli:! MuG£ leaR -EgderartQo/l

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�Clark:

I'm Jane Deanne Clark, Senior Director for Health Policy
Analysis at Michigan Healthcare Institute which is the notfor-profit research arm of Michig~n Hospital Association.
Michigan Hospital Association represents all close-to-200
hospitals in the State of Michigan.
They are, in the vast
majority, nonprofit and in addition to that, I also am
Executive Director of a unique organization which combines
business, state government and the hospitals in the data
collection effort, and that organization· is called Michigan
Health Data Corporation.

Kosteva:

H~llo.

I'm Jim Kosteva, a fourth term Legislator from
southeastern Michigan.
My legislative focus has focused on
~he E's -- education, environment and economic development.

Bianco:

I'm Joe Bianco from The Founders Society of the Detroit
Institute of Arts which is the private sector support
organization of the DIA. My entire background, as some of the
people in this room know, has been in engineering and finance
and economics, and yet I found myself running a major
corporate giving program some years ago, now in the nonprofit
sector asking for money and trying to assist in the management
of a nonprofit. So I've had a chance to look at it from both
sides.

Hoffecker:

I'm Fred Hoffecker.
I'm an Assistant Attorney General.
I
work with Frank Kelly.
For the past decade or so I've been
fortunate enough to have as part of my duties of supervising
the Charitable Trust section of the office and working with
both sides of the nonprofit sectors, both the grant givers and
the grant seekers, and I'm very pleased to be here today.

Benavides:

Hello. My name is Tony Benavides and I'm a Councilman for the
City of Lansing. I'm also Executive Director for Cristo Ray
C~mmunity Center, a human service agency which is a private,
nonprofit organization located here in Lansing.

Cantrell:

Hello. I'm Aaron Cantrell. I guess I'm here in 2 capacities.
I'm Executive Director of the Voluntary Accident Center in
Kalamazoo and Volunteer Centers are basically there to recruit
volunteers who are trained through our administered volunteer
program, and to promote the whole concept of volunteerism.
I'm also a Vice President of the Volunteer Centers of Michigan
which is made up of all the Volunteer Centers here in Michigan
and our purpose is to develop new centers and to promote
volunteerism throughout the State.

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�l ler:

I'm Judy Miller.
In my present life I am now Michigan
Business Ombudsman ~n the Department of Commerce, a
gubernatorial appointee given the responsibility of solving
problems that businesses have with State government and
providing some solutions in regard to that. Also, on special
assignment in the areas of Arts and Child Care.

Epolito:

Hello.
My names is James Epolito.
I'm the Chief Executive
Officer of Blue Care Network/Health Central, a Lansing-based
70,000 member Health Maintenance Organization.

Work:

Good morning.
I'm Lois Work.
I'm Vic~ President of New
Detroit Incorporated which is the nation's first urban
coalition. We began in 1967 to try and insure that the needs
of the poor and the disadvantaged in Detroit and the Detroit
Metropolitan Area are met.
We do this basically through
advocacy on a policy level and through serving as both a
~atalyst and an implementer of program projects.

Wilson:

Hello. I'm Mark Wilson of Michigan State University where, in
addition to teaching Political Economy, I direct a nonprofit
Michigan project which is a research and information
dissemination initiative to inform the nonprofit community in
Michigan more about its experiences and the scale of
operations.

Vaughn:

Hello. I'm Senator Jackie Vaughn III, Associate President of
the Michigan Senate. I'm a student both of the public and the
private sector.

Coxa

Good morning.
My name is E. L. Cox.
I'm currently the
President and Chief Executive Officer of the Accident Fund of
Michigan.
In my former life, I was the Chairman of the
Amerisure Insurance Companies representing the business sector
of this and the target of many of you for contributions over
the years.

Gallagher:

I'm Jan Gallagher. I'm a partner in the Washington, D.C. law
firm of Harmon, Curran, Gallagher &amp; Spielberg.
I practice
extensively in the area of exempt organization law.
I edit
independent sector's quarterly publication, STATE TAX TRENDS
FOR NONPROFITS. And I 'm currently engaged as a consultant for
independent sector in the development of their white paper on
the role of nonprofit organizations.

Bandstra:

I'm Representative Rick Bandstra, a Legislator in the Michigan
House from west Michigan.
I'm in government now.
In a
previous life I was a lawyer in the private sector and I
continue to be involved in a lot of nonprofit board activities
back in Grand Rapids.

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�Good morning. My name is Bob Ivory.
I'm the President and
Chief Professional Officer of the United Way of Michigan.
United Way of Michigan is an association of some 110 United
Ways throughout the State
about $139 million in this
past year
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Anderson:

Hi.

Blews:

Jhank you to each of you. Through those introductions we can
certainly see the interrelationship in our own professional
and personal lives between the 3 sectors that we have
described.
In his prepared paper, Dr. Payton described this
Summit as an exercise in exploratory discourse. We enter the
discussion with questions, and will explore possibilities.

I'm N. Charles Anderson, President of the

Continuing to quote from Dr. Payton, the Summit itself has no
authority to affect change. In fact, the Summit has only the
moral authority we may bring to it, individually and
collectively.
If we are successful, others will carry the
discussion forward towards action and implementation. We will
be pursuing this discussion in 3 stages. We might think of it
as the booster stages on a rocket or on a space ship. Each
stage of the discussion, we hope, will thrust us forward to
the next level and the next stage of the dialogue.
Those 3
stages,
briefly
stated,
are
first
identity
or
identification; secondly -- the evolving partnerships; and
thirdly
insights and principles to guide us into the
future.
S!:age 1, then, really poses an identity crisis. That is, what
is the identification of the nonprofit sector? What is this
entity -- this thing that we call nonprofit?
What is its
role in a pluralistic and democratic society?
What do we
expect of it? What values energize it? What distinguishes it
from government and from business?

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Let's begin with a little game of word association. It may be
revealing. Each of our panelists has a large card in front of
them and a marker pen. I'm going to ask them now to write on
that card the very first and honestly the very first word or
adjective that com.~s into _, y..QQ;r; mind when_ we s~ t!;!e_. word

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Anderson:

Well the first thing I think of is Social Services·.

Wilson:

I used Invisible, because we look at what nonprofits do but we
don't think of how they're organized.

Work:

And I used Conscience.

I thought I needed one word.

I meant

Community Conscience.

Bianco:

We're all working together for the good of the Community.

Kosteva:

I thought of a different bottom line -- Fund Raising.
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�Roehrig:

Spoken as a Treasurer -- Donations.

Cunningham:

Spoken as a theologian -- Voluntary. Because it springs from
the highest instincts and highest ideals of human · nature·.

K9stielney:

I wanted to put Hard Work but I put Service instead.

Upjohn:

Spoken from experience -- Volunteer.

Yamanishi:

You've got two votes for Charity.

Blews:

-Charity wins by a plurality.
That's marvelous.
An
illustration, again, of the diversity of the sector.
But
let's play the game one more time.
What word now, what
value ... What value pops into your mind when we say the word
nonprofit sector? What underlying value do you first think
of? And the pens are busily scribbling again\. What value do
we think of associated first with the nonprofit sector? And
: : s time we'
~~[~~i:_h_ C~~ncilman Benavidef8c1 ie"- that

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Benavides:

Commitment.

Cantrell:

Caring.

Miller:

Love.

Epolito:

Credibility.

work:

Service.

Wilson:

Altruism.

Vaughn:

Good for All.

Cox:

Altruism.

Gallagher:

Another vote for Altruism.

Bandstra:

Yet another vote for Altruism.

Ivory:

Community Good.

Anderson:

Positive Results.
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Kosteva:

Eternal Hope.

Hoffecker:

Freedom -- to make choices, where to put your time or your
money in your altruistic way to do good.

Payton:

And my word is Democracy which tries to capture these notions
of Community and Caring.

Slews:

Mr. Epolito, you used the word Credibility. As a person from
the business perspective, how do you think of the nonprofit
sector?
How would you define or describe, in a paragraph,
what the nonprofit sector is?

Epolito:

Blews:

Representative Bandstra. As a legislator, what do you think
of? What is your definition of the nonprofit sector?

Bandstra:

I guess I'd like to follow up on something Jim said about that
and I think that what's happening here with the credibility
problem is what happens so often times in all kinds of
institutions in our society, that good apples are infected
with the aura that surrounds some bad apples. And I've often
wondered whether we, as State Legislators or nationally, ought
to come up with some better system of required disclosure of

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how nonprofit organizations work to provide assurance to
everyone that through some standardized reporting system, the
institutions that they are supporting are reputable and worthy
of their support, to deal with the kind of public perception
problem that sometimes does infect the nonprofit side,
unfortunat~ly and unwarrantedly often.
Blews:

How do you in the nonprofit sector react to that particular
idea? Father Cunningham?

Cunningham:

To me, credibility is ... is less ... far less important than
integrity.
I don't think people ought to be trusted or
believed. I think they ought to have track re~ords to be abl~
to demonstrate that they're worthy of the support of
government and partnership with industry.
·

Blews:

Lets refer ... return to the notion, though, of legislative
involvement in terms of helping to assure accountability of
-the nonprofit sector. Mr. Bianco, from the perspective of the
Detroit Institute of the Arts, how does that resonate with
you?

Bianco:

setting that framework would be a very healthy
contribution, in my opinion, that the Legislature could make
to the credibility of our nonprofits.
Blews:

You've used the term "definition" in your comments.
Sister
Monica, as the Executive Director of the Michigan Catholic

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�Conference you're part of the nonprofit sector.
define the nonprofit sector?
Kostielney:

How do you

Well, I think my understanding of the nonprofit sector comee
from the very nature of the human person, and that is if you
begin with the premise that each person is good and has desire
to do good and then moves out from that premise and coalesces
with other people to good for society or for the common good,
you have a legitimate group of citizenry who have a right to
be as recognized as the other sectors in society.
I do not
see the nonprofit sector as kind of picking up what other
people can't do or won't do. I see that as a bad approach to
nonprofits; but rather that there is a basic good that drives
one to accomplish good and that is a basis then for forming
the nonprofit sector, inn the whole spectrum or range of
issues or values that touch human lives, from basic human
needs to the transcendent values that we all seek -- going
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Blews:

We've said a great deal about values with regard to the
nonprofit sector. But when we ask the question of definition,
we really haven't very clearly defined what the nonprofit
sector is.
And we're fortunate
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expert
the definition and the protection of
the nonprofit sector.
And she, as you have heard, is
conducting a study of the independent sector or the nonprofit
sector in the process of preparing a white paper on that very
subject. Miss Gallagher, structurally, what is it that makes
nonprofits nonprofits?
Gallagher:

I think that probably the single, most important structural
differentiation is the one that we've already discussed this
~orning, and that is the concept that nonprofits, as a matter
of law, are barred from operating for the private benefit of
anyone.
That's a concept that often doesn't get, in my
judgment, the attention it deserves.
It certainly is the
single
characteristic
that
distinguishes
nonprofit
organizations most clearly from business enterprises.
The
-concept of no private benefit involves an attention to salary
levels that are reasonable, to operating in a way that doesn't
advance the private interest of any individual or any selfselected group of individuals.
It also, for most of the
organizations today we're calling nonprofit, involves a
commitment of their assets irrevocably to a public purpose.
Again,
that's
something that sometimes
gets
lost in
discussions of the differences between a business and a
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�nonprofit organization.
A self-imposed characteristic, not
one that 1 s actually required by law, at least not very
frequently, is that the types of nonprofits, again that we're
discussing this morning, typically are governed by volunteer
Boards of Directors.
And, again, that's an aspect of
nonprofit structure that, I think, has not gotten the public
attention that it deserves recently. The concept of a group
of volunteers coming together in a community to form an
organization in response to a community need, and then lending
their time to provide policy guidance to that organization, is
an important characteristic of nonprofit organizations.
Finally,
I
think
its
a
characteristic
of
nonprofit
organizations that they do exist to provide some form of
public good or public benefit.
:, slews:

In your study, · you've been looking at the broad range of
entities that fall within that term nonprofit sector. Can you
_give us a sense of what that range encompasses?
Well, for purposes of the independent sector paper, the
organizations that make up independent sectors 1 membership and
the steering committee of the group that's looking at this
issue have divided themselves into the following categories:
we have arts organizations; we have civic and human rights
organizations;
education;
environment;
health;
public
advocacy; religion; and social welfare. And that, I think, is
a fair description of the diversity that makes up the
independent sector.

Blews:

As we played the word association game, it was fascinating to

see the number of different values that were identified with
regard to the nonprofit sector. And I understand that in the
study that you are conducting, that is, in fact, one of the
things that you are compiling is, in a sense, a compendium of
those values that are found within the nonprofit sector.
Could you give us a checklist of those values?
Well, the approach the steering committee took in its
qiscussions was to try to evolve a set of values, social and
cultural values, that the nonprofit sector embodies and
nurtures. And I'd like to stress that this paper, thank you,
that this paper is very much in the process of development;
that the values that I'm about to describe are not finished,
and that I'm very appreciative of the opportunity to be here
-this morning, and I hope that this discussion is going to
inform my further work in this area.
The first value that we've described is called ... we're calling
"Giving, Service and Community."
And this value states
something that we just heard all around this table this
morning -- the basic moral obligation of people to care for
and serve others. It ... As we're using the term, its defined

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as the value that creates a fundamental sense of community.
Without giving, without service, we don't have community.

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The second value is "Pluralism. "
And, in a sense, that's
almost antithetical because at the same time that we're
building community, we're also affirming the value of
diversity, the ability within the community to speak out for
other points of view.
And that, I think, is one of the
critical things that nonprofits must do.
Nonprofits also,
within the concept of pluralism, encourage individuals,
encourage groups to come together to act on their own values
and their own beliefs. They provide a structure for people to
do that.

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"Civic Participation" is a third value. Again, its a way for
individuals to come together to act for positive social change
within our democratic structure, and in this way, and I think
~hat Dr. Payton mentioned this in his paper and again this
morning, we're ... we are sustaining and renewing the democratic
process.
Without viable voluntary organizations, the
democratic process would wither.
The next value is the "Development of Human Potential." Most
nonprofits exist in one way or another to a greater or lesser
extent to help people to grow -- to be as good as they can be.
In this value we have the commitment to excellence in
education, to excellence in scholarship, to research, to
artistic expression. We have a lot of other things in this
value as well.
The development of strong families, sound
health, healthy environment, an overall positive moral
character for people, altruism.

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"Compassionate Response to Human Need" is the next value.
That's a very important one for the social services sector.
Voluntary organizations are the ones who exist to mobilize
community resources to care for the poor, the sick and the
disabled, the elderly, others with special needs here in the
United States and around the world.
Finally, we have the value of "Faith." Its impossible to talk
about the independent sector and ignore the importance of the
religious community within it.
And through the voluntary
sector, we have churches and religious organizations which
provide a means for people to practically express their faith.
Religious organizations ... (tape stopped)

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One is the important role that
nonprofits play as the protector of the legacies of past
cultures, and I think that that is a critical role for the
arts community. A second is that nonprofits play an important
role in this country in providing perspective on the future.
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plan as we make transitions into the 21st century.
And,
finally, and I think that this is very important for nonprofit
organizations to be themselves,
to be architects and
practitioners of ethical behavior. And this is a value ... I
think the other values are ways in which nonprofits provide a
structure for people to act. This particular value is one in
which nonprofits themselves must set the example as a way,
again going back to what Dr. Payton was saying a few minutes
ago, as a way of teaching people trust.
Blews:
Bianco:

Thank you.

What's the reaction to those values?

Mr. Bianco?

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that I think ':! need to eyawilllO iit lii'i!EO pajnt jp these kjnds
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hQve tg compara• In the United States, as we well know, there
is about 31 per cent of our Gross National Product that is
consumed by taxes in the Gross National Product. The European
example, as I'm sure many of you have studied these things
probably more carefully than I have, have seen that about 41
per cent of the European Gross National Product is consumed in
taxes . The European model is certainly, from a value point of
view, has many of the same Christian and Judea-Christian
values and motivations that are here in our society. I think
those kinds of values are operative and strong influences on
both sides of the Atlantic in that sense. But in the European
models, clearly they have made a different decision.
The
third sector is certainly not as important there as it is in
the United States, and they've made a decision to provide the
basic kinds of caring services that Sister Monica referred to.
T~ey've made a decision to provide for arts, for culture, for
education, for all of those things; but they've chosen to
provide it largely through federal government taxation and
federal government programming. So in that sense, clearly we
have a remarkably different model in the United States. And
then I think we get into the question of, "Who delivers the
service the best?
What are the results?"
It seems to me
Charles had a results sign over there.
Who delivers the
results better?
And I think that alone is a tremendous
challenge to all of us in the nonprofit sector to think about/
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Yamanishi:

Mr. Ya.manishi.
It seems to me that what Jan has put down here and what we're
defining is not ... nonprofit sector is not quite as pure and as
moral as we would like it to be.
I don't think it is. The
underlying assumption is, and historically, we had charities
and the concept of charity was what was used. As a matter of
fact, if you look at the history of nonprofits, the term
charities used to be used in a ~ot of the names of
organizations.
The United Way had charities in its name
previous to the time it changed to The United Fund. I think
nonprofit sector can't be defined quite so pristine and
purely. Its a dynamic. Its a force that's pushed between the
private sector and the public sector,
and you have
institutions, organizations within the nonprofit sector that
-are leaning one way or the other constantly.
Its a dynamic
that ... and you' 11 find organizations that are mimicking, maybe
almost substantially, the private sector in the way in which
they operate and the way in which they deal with benefits,
personal benefits, they way in which they address problems,
etc. And then you'll find other organizations that are much
more allied with government and operate in a much more
experience with community action agencies. And a lot of them
that, even though they're private, nonprofit agencies, had
solely government funding and had government people on their
Boards as directors and so then they became much more of a
political entity in the lo.cal community.
So you have a
dynamic and that's, I think that's what we created was a
dynamic that helps us to define the fo~ces between the public
sector and the private sector. That's where we ... ! think we
should begin to look at the definition of what a nonprofit is.

Slews:
Yamanishi:

Slews:

Dr. Sederburg, for a number of years you represented that
general public in the State Senate of the State of Michigan.
Dr. Payton, in his paper, refers to a rather interesting term
"teliopathy" -- the loss of mission or the disease of
purpose which really goes to a values question also. What's
your reaction to that?
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Gee, Ed, I'm just delighted to be asked that question. What
about a nice softball question like, "What do you think good
is? or something like that? Teliopathy, of all things. Well,
as I understand Dr. Payton's comments on teliopathy, its
talking about lack of focus and loss of mission in
organizations -- kind of a drift without a sense of mission.
And I'll try and tie that in with what Herb said and then also
with what Joe said. I think government is losing its sense of
mission as to what the public really wants government to do.
I really feel sorry for all these candidates running around
running for President because the public is giving them
totally mixed messages.
Do they want National Health Care?
Do they not want National Health Care? · Do they want Jobs
programs? Do they not want Jobs programs?
And ~ts such a
mixed bag that government itself has lost its sense of mission
and its causing all sorts of dislocations in the political
system.
-The mission is also central to this debate, in my op~n~on,
because I'm going to be perhaps thrown out the room here with
this, but I think the nonprofit sector is defined by what the
others are not.
You're the residue of everything else, and
its driven by market functions. For-profit, when we look at
it, the public sector, we look at what are the markets out
there, those market niches, that we can go out there 4nd do
some work and, hopefully, make enough to feed the kids.
1 Government looks at constituencies as a marketplace and so
there's a constituency that develops; government will be there
with that service. And so its driven ... Those two sectors are
driven by market functions. The nonprofit ... nonprofit sector
is driven not by markets but by good will and philanthropy and
the desires of the individuals organizing it. Its a different
direction, a different flow. And so the point that Dr. Payton
made about mission, I think, is central to the whole debate,
~nd that is the definition of mission.
Government is adrift.
The private businesses are also having mission difficulties
because of the changing economy and the world, global economic
forces, etc. And so that's a tough debate going on. And the
mjssion of nonprofit homes ... ! don't know why I keep saying
nonprofit homes ... but nonprofit organizations is very, very
tricky because everybody looks to you guys to catch everything
that's left in between. And that's a very difficult type of
situation. So how about that for an answer, Ed. Was that all
right?
That sounds interesting to me.
I'd like to know what Ms.
Work's reaction is to that speaking for New Detroit. Is your
mission defined by what others don't do and, therefore, you
do?
You mentioned when we talked about values, you talked
about service as the value that the nonprofit sector
represents.
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en Jan said that - the nonprofits
'ctitioners, perhaps, of moral doings, I
was taken back to had you asked me, I was going to say perhaps
nonprofits are both the stimulator and the implementor of good
deeds.
Now New Detroit's mission is, of course, to try and
ensure that the poor and the disadvantaged have a voice in
what occurs to them and that they ... their human needs are well
taken care of.
But what Herb said earlier, I think, really
applies here, too. Nonprofits depend often on where they get
their money from.
New Detroit gets a lot of business
/corporate funding, but we have also had many, many grants
that were government funded.
And, I think, depending upon
where your funding comes from, often you have to lean a little
more toward the values and the practices of the sector that
gives you the funding. Our mission, I would say, is to be a
stimulator and a practitioner of good deeds.
However, the
business sector, who gives us a lot of funding and I think
this is a good thing, is making sure that we become more
businesslike and more effective in what we do. The government
sector, when we have their costs of funding, wants us to be,
obviously, a little more political depending upon where the
funding is coming from, and also has a very different kind of
bureaucratic view of how you spend your funds. So I would say
that I think the nonprofit sector, indeed, has its own
mission, but it is often one cannot separate the 3 and how one
gets its funding and who funds you.

Blews:

All right.
Senator Vaughn, we've talked about values and
we've talked about the mission of the nonprofit sector. As a
Senator, how important do you consider those values and that
mission to be?

Vaughn:

I consider them to be extremely, but I'm more confused now
than ever.
I have a constituency here and back home and so
I'm constantly pulled in all directions. If you noted when
you asked me the original question, I said nonprofit is good
f9r all. Its the first thing that came in my mind. And then
I had a little notation, though. Things held in common. It
doesn't benefit the left or the right. I should rise above my
own ethnicity or political persuasion and do what is right.
And I find that in listening here to all of you, I want to be
reelected and I consider that as one of ~y missions -- and w~
talked about mission -- and yet I want to be liked and I want
to be loved and I want to do what is right, so I'm torn
between the forces, but I never lose sight of the fact of why
I'm here. I'm here to help for all, for a people and to rise
above my own ethnicity and my own political persuasion and try
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�Senator, you raise a very important and a new point, and that
is that in order for a Legislator to serve that public good or
that good for all that you described, that Legislator also
must be reelected from time to time.
This, after all, is a
democratic system.
Representative Kosteva, with your
constituency, is there a value placed on the nonprofit sector
on the kinds of missions that we've described such that you
can, as a Legislator, be a proponent of the nonprofit sector
and still be reelected?
Kosteva:

Clearly, because many of the purposes that the nonprofit
sector and the governmental sector strive to achieve are so
similar.
The benefit of all, the public improvement, the
ability to advance human potential, to respect the diversity
of our nature and of our culture and institutions, I think
that's very easily done. The beauty of the nonprofit sector,
in my eyes, is that it allows the individual choice to be
~ade.
The individual choice on the part of individuals to be
able to pursue the nonprofit contributions and roles and
volunteerism that they individually choose to participate in.
It allows them to advocate for those particular causes, and
with that advocacy and that participation and that choice
comes a commitment to those causes. And so I think its one of
the fullest expressions of the participatory democracy that
Jefferson brought to this country. So clearly, to the degree
that the government sometimes deals with the collective good,
the nonprofit sector, I think, their well-defined mission at
the present time, on a more individual basis, I believe is
more well-defined than the governmental sector and the
business sector as it comes to social concerns.
I think
they're very, very compatible with constituent concerns as an
elected official.

Blews:

Dr. Mawby, you're on the funding side as the President and
Chief Executive Officer, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer,
of the Kellogg Foundation. Are the values that you have heard
and the missions that you have heard worthy of your support?
Are they the kinds of values and the kinds of missions that do
w~rrant the support from a foundation such as yours?

Mawby:

Well, we, as a grant-making foundation, of course, work very
closely and share, in general, the values of the nonprofit
sector. Under laws established by legislative groups at the
state and federal level, the nonprofit sector is defined and
we, as grant makers, have the opportunity of giving funds to
nonprofit institutions and organizations and to all of the
units of government.
So its very often a collaboration and
you have to say that, as you look at society over the past 10,
20, 30 and 40 decades, the role of the various sectors
continue to be dynamic and evolutionary.
We passed federal
legislation with funding which provides for positions labeled
volunteer which are paid. And that, you know, results in some

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�confusion. So its an evolutionary process. Simplistically,
it seems to me, the nonprofit sector represents all of those
'institutions, organizations, and programs which include
private initiative for the public good.
And certainly the
kinds of values that have been described on the cards and in
the discussion are certainly consistent with the kind of a
mission that we see as the particular role of grant makers in
the whole collage.
Blews:

· Miller:

Very good. How ... How well does business and how well does the
government sector understand the nonprofit sector, let's say
on a scale of 1 to 5 with 1 being low level of understanding
and 5 being a high level of understanding, Mrs. Miller, as a
former State Legislator yourself, how would you rate the
understanding of the government sector and how a ·leader in
government, in the executive branch, how well does government
understand the nonprofit sector?

I'm

not certain it understands it very well at all. I would
put that on a rather low side in terms of maybe a 2.
Just
looking at it from my current position, and even having been
a community leader and volunteer in my own community, I find
that government has a very difficult time being sensitive to
human needs and to human value, and I think that's one of the
frustrations that I feel in dealing with the governmental
system now as on the administrative side as opposed to the
legislative side, because we can become too isolated there
from what the needs of the community are and then to better
provide the leadership that I believe is needed from the
government sector.
Because as people have said around in
several different ways as we have talked this morning, that
government and business provide the direction, divide the
impetus, the influence as to how a nonprofit may go. And if
we don't have the leadership and the understanding of the
purpose of the nonprofit, we're not able to provide the
leadership that's needed.
And, I guess, that's what I'm
hoping in terms of my role as the relatively new kid on the
block in terms of the administration of government, that we
c~n bring more sensitivity to that.

Blews:

Mr. Cox, from a business perspective, same scale, how well
does business understand the nonprofit sector?

Cox:

I think the business community understands the nonprofit
sector very well.
Each business organization certainly
recognizes their own corporate responsibility to the nonprofit
sector. And that's limited by their own personal resources,
obviously, and as you go through a time much like we're in
today, the amount of resources available for distribution
becomes limited. And, you know, they have the same compassion
and the same social concerns that all of us have. But its a
matter of meeting the payroll or donating to nonprofit

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And their obligation, obviously, is to meet
the payroll as best they can. But, no, they understand very
well.
There's a concern about how much of the tax dollar
should be devoted to that as well.
And you can't do both.
You can't continue to raise taxes and then continue to expect
the corporate ... the business community to find the means to
solve all of the problems.
Bianco:

Ed, can I take a contrary view to that?

Blews:

Sure.

Bianco:

My good friend, E.L., who has always been a good contributor
to the museum, it may be over after this comment ..• From my
perspective and the years I spent in business, and certainly
E.L. and had many, many years of exchanges together, I would
say that business in the '90's is going to continue its
_ chal~enge of down-sizing, right-sizing, whatever the term is
going to be. As that continues, I see the corporate sector
having less and less of the executive time and staff time
available for volunteer ism.
I think the pressures of the
marketplace on our corporate structure are so severe at this
point, and will continue to et
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agree with you, E.L.
Like all the rest of us, corporate
executives are sensitive human beings, in many cases not all.
Like all the rest of society, and will take some personal
interest and follow through in the nonprofit sector.
But I
also think we're going to see such a great pressure on profits
-- we're already seeing it -- and I think that will continue
through the '90's to the point where, I don't know what the
current numbers are, Russ, but it seems to me the last
conference board report I read, corporate contributions were
5 or 6 per cent, something like that, of the total.

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Mawby:

That's correct.

Bianco:

And then foundations were another 5 or 6 per cent. So even at
this point, if the corporations make up 5 or 6 per cent of the
total giving pot, and that averages out at 1.6 per cent or
-some number like that of pre-tax profits, if I remember that
~umber correctly also, that's a fairly small contribution out
of the profits of the corporations. And if they're going to
be under competitive pressure for new plant investment, for
new equipment investment, they're going to have to make a
simple choice. Do I give the money away, or do I reinvest in
a new plant or a piece of equipment or something like that?
And my point is that in the competitive, non-oligopoli~tic,
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�non-monopoly market that the United States now finds itself
competing in, the decisions, I think, are more and more going
to tend toward, "Our basic job is to provide employment. Our
job is to provide products and services tor this country, and
more of our money has got to go in that direction." So I
think there's caring there. I think there are some wonderful
people to be reached.
But I think the challenge to the
nonprofits is going to be tremendous to make their case in a
very competitive, very sensible way, because I think the
corporate pot is going to be smaller both in terms of peopl~
as well as money.

Blews:

Part of making that case is to understand what impact the
nonprofit sector has within a state such as Michigan. And we
have with us a scholar, Dr. Mark Wilson, who is the Director
of the nonprofit Michigan Project at MSU and who has been
conducting the first study of the nonprofit sector within our
state.
Dr. Wilson, to bring this to a sense of closure in
this identification panel, what can you tell us about the
impact and what do you know so far about the size of the
nonprofit sector in the State of Michigan?

Wilson:

I think the reason I said that it was invisible was the
reaction of being a researcher trying to find information on
nonprofits.
Its very hard to even find out where it is and
how big it is.
So the impact of nonprofits is very, very
difficult to gauge because we don't have a clear idea of what
they do or how much they do or even where they operate. We
can ... To give you an example, we find about 3,000 nonprofit
organizations in the state that employ someone, and they
employ about a quarter of a million workers, a little more
than 5 per cent of the workforce. And that's almost easy to
find out about. It was, compared to the rest of the nonprofit
sector, that was easy. But it made you think about what else
is the nonprofit sector doing? Well there are another 20 or
30,000 nonprofits in the state that have perhaps been
r~gistered or perhaps taken on charges or have organized
themselves formally, and so that's another level of nonprofit
action. And then we did a case study of Calhoun County and
found there were 5 to 10 nonprofits that didn't even register,
that didn't even recognize themselves in a formal way. -L~~
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�employees in Michigan in 1990, that nonprofit organi~ation$ - - -are generating far more employment growth than perhaps you
would expect, they're about 5 per cent of the sector, but
they're about 10 or 15 per cent of all the new jobs in
Michigan.
But beyond that, that's just really the visible,
formal nonprofit sector.
The invisible nonprofit sector i~
equally important, but we ju~t can't get a clear idea of what
it is and where it is.
Blews;

Mr. Anderson, from your perspective with the Detroit Urban
League, what's your reaction to all of this?

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And that really leads us
o our discussion which
is talking about the relat~ the 3 sectors.
But
before we jump to that, we would like to invite anybody from
the audience, if you would like to dive into the dialogue,
this is an opportunity for you to do so.

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And please identify yourself and your organization.
Young:

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Good morning.
I'm Leonard Young.
I represent the Michigan
Ecumenical Forum on the Nonprofit Forum Board.
I have a
rather specific question that I want to ask about identity.
Now we've been talking all morning and there seems to be some
general agreement around the table about what identifies a
nonprofit.
But in my experience and in many of our
experiences in nonprofit organizations, that consensus seems
to break down when you come to the practical level,
particularly in the relationship between government entities
and agencies and nonprofits, and what actually defines a
nonprofit. Let me give you several examples of what I mean.

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�There's one set of criteria for the IRS to determine whether
an organization is nonprofit. There is an entirely different
set of criteria that the u.s. Postal Service uses to determine
if an organization is nonprofit and can use bulk mailing
privileges.
In the State of Michigan there is an entirely
different set to determine whether you are exempt from sales
tax or property tax in different areas. And yet again in the
Attorney General's office there is an entirely separate set of
criteria used to determine whether you have to apply for a
charitable solicitation license or not.
For a lot of
organizations, especially small, locally based ones like Mr,
Wilson was talking about a minute ago, considerable hardship
is wreaked on those organizations in trying to sort out how
all of the different entities of government and agencies look
at and define nonprofit organizations. I would be ·interested
in the Attorney General's office commenting a little on that
from their point of view and any of the others who see how we
might be able to get some kind of a consistent micro
- definition of what nonprofit organizations ar~, and as we
began when Representative Bandstra talked about being
accountable, a single way of doing that so that people know
how they may respond to inquiries and to be appropriately
judged and scrutinized as Mr. Anderson was saying. We need
some single set of criteria for determining thos~.
Blews;

Mr. Hoffecker, you're the Assistant Attorney General with the
Charitable Trust Department in the Attorney General's office,
Your reaction.

Hoffecker:

Well, its a good question and one I, frankly, welcome.
We
view the nonprofit sector as a method by which the tremendou~
social energy that we have in this country can be channelled
and moved into doing the virtuous, good things that we've all
mentioned this morning. Government, in my view, and strictly
my view,
should be as unintrusive as possible.
I think we
have a duty to guard the public against fraud, because there
is charitable fraud -- it does exist,
So you need some
standard and some mechanism to deal with fraud. Beyond that,
i~ my view, there shouldn't be any exemptions.
The fact that
some organization is religious in nature, and we have this
concept of separation of church and s ·t ate, that should not by
itself exempt the organization from letting the government
know that it is out there in a nonprofit charitable function,
how much money its taking in and how much its spending.
~vernment shouldn't say you have to take in, if you take in
this much, you have to spend that much on your charitable
purpose. That's going to be a decision for the public. If
the public has access to information about the nonprofit
sector, what they're doing with their income, making 101
pennies out of 100 pennies, people, I think, can make
reasonable decisions on where to spend their money or, as
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�volunteering with an organization, and make the whole process
a lot better. The current statutory scheme, I think, started
out as a governmental way to kind of nurture nonprofi ts.
Okay, we ll make them tax exempt. We'll give them a break on
certain kinds of property.
To encourage people to make
donations to certain kinds of charities, they get a tax
deduction against their income taxes for making a donation.
Well government should nurture good works that way. On the
regulatory side, and that's where I come as a regulator, we
need to protect the public from fraud and provide a mechanism
for information for the public so that they can make decisions
on what to do with their time and money without regard to
whether the organization is a church, a school, a United Way
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we need a morp co sistent legal definition across the
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we wii ~ ,/ try to reconvene by 10:45, so please be quick and
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(Resumed Summit- 10:56 a.m.)
... public here. I'd like to say a word to our ~anel and then
I' 11 say a word as the pr ram itself begins a9ain . And thank
yo very much. You've don a very good job ~n the first stage
here f helping us to set t e foundation aqd to deal w~some
issues
identity.
Our
al now, at p he second and third
stages, is eally to allow
e discuss~on to bec~much more
free-wheelin
And please argive ~e, with ~fie lights and
all, sometimes
don ' t catch the s~gnals t~ come from you.
So feel free to
ve your ca d qr' scre~.J'Cind yell and we'll
try to get a chance o recogn ~eeveryPne. But do feel f ree
to just jump in free
in th' disc~ssion as we go.
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role, rather than to p 1
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In the first stage of our session today, we've had really a
marvelous discussion about the identity of the nonprofit
sector and perhaps some lack of identity or some confusion
about identity.
Who are we? What are we? What does that
matter in terms of the relationship between the 3 sectors -government, business and the nonprofit sector -- that are
r~presented around this table before us?
At this point we're going to become a bit less structured in
our dialogue. We have here a panel of persons who are very
distinguished leaders and, certainly, feel very freely, as
they should, to speak their minds, and we're going to give
them the opportunity to do that in this next session, and then
in the third session.
Stage 2 of our discussion, though, deals with relationships.
The government/business/nonprofit partnership, the question of
whether there is such a partnership, whether there should be
such a partnership. How is it changing, particularly in these
difficult fiscal times and these difficult economic days?
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�What are the issues, the tensions and the ramifications?
Having talked about the identity ... the identity of the
nonprofit sector, we now want to examine that in the context
of these very, very important relationships.
One of the people at our table here who certainly deals day in
and day out with that kind of relationship is Mr. Robert
Ivory, the President of the Unit~d Way of Michigan.
Mr.
Ivory, of course, is representing and serving through his
organization, serving community organizations. The nonprofit
sector, in its attempt to secure support and funding in
dealing in that process very closely with the business
community or the for-profit sector. Mr. Ivory, how would you
assess the current relationship between the business community
and the nonprofit sector? Is it a good relationship? Is it
a bad relationship?
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philanthropy. In a sense, when you talk about both workplace
solicitation and payroll deduction, when you put those 2
things together, that yields, usually, people talk about that
being a 9 to 10 times yield over asking someone for an
individual gift at any given moment in time. So the notion of
having access to the workplace and to employees for
solicitation and coupling that with payroll deduction has been
a very strong element of the United Way system.
It also is
incumbent upon United Way, in order to encourage that
relationship and to maintain that, is to take a lo9k at the
trust that United Ways bring to the business community and to
the community at large. In terms of the package of services
that it brings to the workplace, and that has ... therein is a
major controversy today within the United Way system, even
outside of the most recent news events about the national
pf"esident, there has been a major controversy within the
United Way system in the last 2 or 3 years around the whole
notion of choice and opening up the number of agencies that
are brought into the United Way system, into the workplace.
And that companies, and particularly again in the public
sector, have asked that the number of agencies, the number of
~harities represented, for instance, in an organization like
United Way, in fact, not be limited to a few select
organizations but, in fact, be opened to a much broader base
of charitable organizations.
The phenomenon i s in this
country as someone alluded to earlier that, in fact, we've had
just an explosion of nonprofits in this country since the
'60's. And there are more and more agencies who are looking
to the workplace, for instance, as the method of increasing
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"What type of package do you take to the workplace to have
continued credibility with the business community that you're
offering a product that, in fact, is not limited to a f~w
select agencies but, in fact, brings in a package of s~rvices
that meet the broadest ray of co~unity good.
Its
interesting, in my view, one of the characteristics that
we ... that make us somewhat invisible that we need to, in fact,
market is one of the hallmark characteristics of the nonprofit
sector is, in fact, the volunteer force. And I've always been
impressed to hear George Romney talk about that volunte~r
commitment and the ownership, whether we talk about it as the
participatory principle of people beco~ing involved in our
community issues remains a major issue for United Ways to
continue working with the business community for that type of
leadership and commitment to some of the community issues,
So, in short, one of the things that's happening to us within
the United Way system is to continue to look at that
-relationship that we have with the business community in terma
of presenting a package of services, a benefit that, in fact,
benefits a much broader community base than a few select
organizations.
Blews:

Mr. Cantrell, you ... you represent volunteer agencies.
Mr.
Ivory has talked about the important role of volunteerism.
How does that relationship between the 3 sectors affect the
volunteer activity in this society?

Cantrell:

It affects it in a very positive way. One of the things I
would like to address before answering your question is the
whole point of where human services, private sector, came from
-- this whole idea of human services. It started with people
before we had any programs, any professionals, we had
volunteers who saw a problem and went out and tried to do
something to cure or aid in that particular situation. One of
the things I see that that whole pioneer spirit is somewhat
dying.
And its dying under the auspices of existing
organizations, often times, in that the volunteer sees a
p_roblem and tries to bring their problem forward. There seems
to be now territories among agencies and if its working with
children, then you're touching upon some child serving
agencies.
If its dealing with the homeless, some existing
organizations see it. Whether or not they are behind that
particular attempt to start an organization or to carry some
-special type of service through has a profound impact on
whether or not that program will ever get off the ground. And
I see that dying in some of the communities I'm working with.
As people bring forth programs, they are actually being
smothered under the weight of existing programs who are goin
to be ... see them as contenders for dollars. -· ··-··--

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standpoint, we hear often times corporations talking about
being a good corporate neighbor.
But often times when
confronted with, "What exactly do you mean by that and what
exactly ... what type of activities will you involve yourself in
to ... to prove that?" Often times, you' 11 get a .•. not the type
of answer you may be looking for. In terms of government, not
to be a complainer or anything but they tend to kill
creativity.
One of the things that I see that is hurtinq
nonprofits right now is the fact that creativity is being
smothered under the weight of paperwork, under the weight of
restrictio
d that type of thing~ . A,pd I get a lot Slf
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/ I'd like to talk for a minute about some national and state
trends that, I think, are going to affect the development of
/ government/business/nonprofit partnerships over the next 10
i years. Its not, I think, going to be news to anybody in this
room, but I think it might be helpful to remind us all, The
President's budget proposal, factored out over the next 5
years, is projecting declines in federal spending for
education
and
training,
for
social
services,
for
transportation, for community and regional development. The
only thing that's projected to grow in t~e. President's budget
is medical care, federal spending for medical care. The most
recent, valid data on what's happening at the state level
comes from a mid-December survey by the National Con-f erence of
State Legislatures. At that point, 30 states were receiving
less revenue than they needed to balance their budget. More
~han
half the states were reporting expenditure~ for
entitlement programs or education or both at a higher rate
than budgeted.
There were very few state reserves left
because most of the states had spent them in 1991. There is
an increased demand for social services, and a lot of states
are cutting aid to local government as one way of balancing
their budgets. Its a terrible picture. But it also is going
to force substantial changes in how we deliver services, and
its going to force changes in the partnerships. There's not
going to be federal money.
There's not going to be state
money. It looks like there's not going to be local money in
the short run. Someone is going to have to pick up the slack,
and only nonprofit organizations are left. And that's going
to, I think, force nonprofits to do exactly the things that
Mr . Cantrell, I think, if I got the name from this ... that's
right ... was just talking about and that is find new approaches
to deliveries of services, to decategorize existing programs,
to look at innovative, creative, community-based solutions to
problems.

Slews:

Councilman Benavides, from a local government standpoint,
wl)at' s your reaction? Are you seeing the same trend occurring
there? And how do you see the partnership shaping up?

Benavides:

Well, first of all I think that we have a tremendous job in
trying to educate government as to what our actually nonprofit
organizations are.
I see the ... there is various types of
nonprofit.
In terms of services, those that provide the
traditional services that are commonly known to everyone, and
then there is the others that are non-traditional where we
take the people as we are.
The problems, I think, that we
have sometimes when we try to get grants and things of that
kind, the first word that comes up is "duplication." You're
duplicating with so-and-so.
You're duplicating with this
other person. And what ... what they need to know, they need to
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get educated as to exactly what it is that that agency does
and why. And so that ... it seems to me like this type of forum
has a tremendous job, along with us, to try to educate that
~n~~lar~~tor •.J I just wanted to say a little bit about
' the United Way politics in terms of opening it up to everyone,
I've been an agency director for 22 years in Lansing and I
have seen many people come and go. And I know that at one
time we had like maybe no more than 10 or 15 agencies. Today
we got like 100.
That's fine.
The more, the merri~r.
I
think competition is good. I used to be a grqcery clerk and
they used to tell me that the best thing to do is to have
someone across the street that would give you competition.
But, you know, one of the things that the designations, I
don't know that he mentioned it, the agency designation where
you designate who do you want that particular donation to go
to. I have been quite concerned about that. I got my numbers
from the local United Way and they were increased a little bit
from the last time. But I think, you know, that deep in the
living rooms or bedrooms or wherever these people are making
those decisions, there seem to be a tendency, if they don't
know anything about your agency, they don't know anything
about what you do, or they ... they seem to designate that and
I can see a lot of these designations going to a block type ot
agencies in this community. And I think that if, in fact,
we're gonna look at all of those as agency designations should
be one. Let me say that government, I think, that its always
has a tendency, and being an elected official for 10 years in
the City of Lansing, I'm an advocate of human services. I
work for one and I truly believe that this is where we gotta
go. But I think, you know, we have the tendency to leave the
human services, to leave our drugs and crime and health
services to the United Way, to the foundations, to "let George
do it" type of attitude. I have always advocated that we need
to be responsible, that the city government, county
government, and state government needs to be responsible and
we need to set aside, just like we set aside for everything
else, we need to set aside dollars that are gonna go to
nonprofit organizations that are providing the services to
t~is community.
I have to believe that if we can educate ·~
and we can get 'em jobs and we can get 'em the help they need,
the whole economic and social quality of life in our community
will change.

Blews;

Dr. Mawby.

Mawby;

Well, I find it useful from time to time to remind myself of
sort of a fundamental interrelationship or interdependence of
these three sectors. That, in fact, the governmental and the
nonprofit sectors are fully dependent for their resources upon
the vitality, the success if you please, of the other sector And its only as business is successful that
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is successful that employees then have the where-with-all -85 per cent or so of giving is by individuals. Its not by
corporations and its not by foundations, its by individuals.
And so the vitality, the success of all of society depends
upon that generating force. I was ... And @O public policy then
in effect decides how those resources are going to be
mobilized to serve the public good.
We tax to do certain
things. And in those decisions, we can provide incentives or
disincentives for voluntary giving. And so as an individual
then, part of my contribution to society at large is through
the taxe~ I; a and ar _qf ..it I-h;;'Qu h th~ ~ha;it;y, _t ~yl:ng
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to Lansing and then to Washington, saying th~t the
government or the state government ought to do these
things.
I think society in this period now is becoming
somewhat disenchanted. We've poured massive resources into
governmental efforts and I think there'~,; been some degree of
frustration and dissatisfaction with the consequences. And
increasingly I hear Washington saying about, "That's the
state's responsibility," and Lansing sAying, ''That's really 1
you
know,
the
county,
the
city,
the
comm~nity's
responsibility. "
Now there's going to be a very awkward
transition here in public policy of reallocating the r~sourc~s
to do the job.
But if that's the direction th~t American
society is really moving, then I subscribe flllly to that
because I think at the community level we're able to respond
most effectively to community needs.
Then we've got on
awkward period of transition wher~ responsibility is being
shifted, the resources have not yet been reallocated, but l
think it repreoents, again, that interrelationship of these ~
components of the larger picture.
Blewsa
ijoffecker:

Mr, Hoffecker.

L think that's an excellent point . . The nonprofit sector can
do something that government and business can't do and that's,
in my opinion, react quickly to changing social needs. One of
my frustrations in government with one of the other hats that
I wear in the office is that we're always reacting to
something after the problem and the harm has occurred in
.- .•• that's in my efforts in the Consumer Protection a~ea, Very
seldom are we fortunate enough to get people with enough
knowledge so they avoid the problem.
The problem happens.
They come to government. Nonprofits are ... can have the chance
to be proactive. Look ahead. Sense what's going on and th~n
try to deal with it.
Government and business can try to
facilitate that by allowing access to the workplace and
payroll deduction to fund programs, to guard against fraud in
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Mru • Up john, you re both o. business pereon, a buu in~s s leader 1
and a community leader. What do you think apout this?

Upjohn:

Well, I support what you say very strongly becauee l think
_that the nonprofit sector is the only game in town that can
take risks. We need new kinds of solutions for some of these
problems. We need more collaborative efforts where agencie~
come together. Each of them may be doing what they do bes~,
and working together to bring social energy to the problQms
that beset us. And for government its too ponderous and for
the business community it is really not their function. aut
that s where our power and our ability to set the agenda
comes, I feel,

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Blews:

We then do go to the question of who pays. And earlier in the
discussion there was a reference made to the fact that the
primary -- the first responsibility of the business commun!ty
is to its employees and to their benefits and compensation.
And then, of course, there's the issue of shareholders il\
large corporations. Mr. Roehrig, you represent a part of the
labor community. From your perspective, how should businees
balance its obligation to its employees and does it have an
obligation to the broa4er community through the nonprofit
sector in the use of its resources?

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Reactions to that from the nonprofit sector.

Anderson:

want to make a quick response, because I think it p~obably
one question that all of us ought to think about.
Knowing our options when you talk about that in the United
Way, for example, isn't really just a donor convenience.
Because if you feel strongly enough about the Detroit Urban
League or the Urban League, and we've had discussions
nationally, you could write A check directly to me and it will
be tax deductible and I don't need a third party to field th4~
money to me. So if you're talking about donor options, yQu
may really be talking about donor conveniences and I think
h~'s right, that you really just open up a Pandora's box and
have people inundated, because a lot Qt us get matl all the
time directly from people soliciting funds and then I see the
United Way, for example, and others who put out money as
people who really have taken some tilue to study what the
issues are and try to prioritize funding those needs in a
community, and not just letting it run all over the place. So
I would think that somehow or another, if you have all of ~
sudden 300 entities seeking money in this corporation, yo~
really are talking about donor convenience" a~ opposed to
donor options.
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I'd like to build on some things that everybody na~ said he~e
because I think when we're talking about donor options or
donor conveniences, we're talking ... we're really talking about
a problem that I think we have across the board in terms of
looking at what Mrs. Up john eaid about collaboration, what Jan
said about creativity, what Mr. Mawpy soid about community, I
think we've got to look at coopera.tion, we've got to look at
communication, we've got to look at coordination, and they
can't be just nice little concepts that we sit here and talk
about on the table. I mean, we've got to go out and actively
pursue those relations and develop tha~ . communication eo that
there isn't the inundation with donations, that there isn't
the duplication of services that someone··mentioned •.. mentioned
here. I think that we've got to move.,.move forward because
in a time of limited resources, whether its limited resources
from the public sector or limited resources from the private
sector, we're talking about money.
But there's also
_information, there are also people. And I think we have to
begin to work together and I take this .•. ! give you an example
in the public sector in what I do in the Ombudsman's Office.
I came in at the beginning of last yea~, and I won't give you
the whole long story. But in essence, what happened in our
office, we had to reprioritize, we had to refocus, we had to
down-size, and as a result of what we have done, we found a
new direction, a new purpose and a better service. . And I
think this is what this time of limited resources is all about
in terms of both government, in terms of the nonprofits and in
terms of the business community. And alone we can't do it,
but together we have to come and do it and get it done. And
I think we're being forced to do it, because its the only way
we have to go now. The money's not there.
Slews:
Epolito:

Mr. Epolito.
Yeah, just very briefly, I think we've talked about a
Qg!;ne;_ship- that- ~0:~ nQ.t~~~t. _.If~~~~~~~=;=~~
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tsfef§ !A::iiEtlaieth-hr'fnist1iil' . \it~I think that the one
~fiing that a partnership can do, and certainly the United Way
has proven this, is to set some priorities. On my desk in my
office sits about, I don't know, $15,000 or $20,000 worth of
requests for funding. We set up a Corporate Giving Committee
and as to where we're going to allocate our resources, At the
same time, our employees are inundated with requests and I
-have everything from a $500 tuxedo affair evening for the
Humane Society to save dogs and cats, and I'm not criticizing
that because its a major priority for some people, but we have
people starving. We have homeles~ in the streets. We, as a
corporation, we, as individuals, have got to set some
priorities as to what's important to us in this society. So
I think this whole issue ot what can the partnership do, if, ~
partnership is created, ~think the .partnership could give
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some of the bottom line issues and give some of the focus that
we're lacking.

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Blews:

Dr. Clark,
discussion.

Clark:

And I want to build on what was just said, because certainly
for the health care industry, and hospitals in particular, in ·
Michigan and the United States, this involvement between a
not-for-profit hospital and the governmental agencies that
both regulate and increasingly reimburse has been an uneasy
situation with tensions on both sides; and it certainly is not
getting any better.
If you put a little historical
perspective on it, the relationship was between hospitals and

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as well so that the triumvirate, as we are talking about !t
here, is not becoming increasingly interrelated. And from the
hospitals' perspective, we function as nonprofit. At the same
time the government regulation is so extreme that the very
flexibility that we've all been talking about in meeting the
needs of the local community is increaeingly removed from the
hospitals to be able to do that. At the same time, with the
shrinking reimbursement, both from the public sector and from ' '
business, you have an increased constraint on what the
abilities are for any individual institution to meet those I.
needs -- even at the best of times. ~'d like to be able to
take the suggestion that was made by Judy Miller that this
Forum, and by Aaron, that this was exactly the tim~ at which
we should be most inventive.
But I don't think I have a
tremendous amount of sense that that is going to occur in 1
health care as health care has come to be in the United States
...today.
If you consider, in Michigan, that besides being
nonprofit with all the things that that means, that in
addition to that there is over $400 million of care in charity
care that's given every year -- over $1 million a day -- and
that doesn't even count what's not being reimbursed by the
mandated federal and state programs. You are talking about a
situation where the squeeze is coming from both sides, and the
ability to respond to that in inventive and new ways is l
shrinking as well because of governmental constraints and ·
regulations.
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Ms. Work.

Work:

I'd just like to say that it appears as though the nonprofits .
have been given the mandate to take c~re of crucial problems
that are growing and that are not getting smaller, and that it
is truly a mandate without money. Now I understand, and we •
have been hearing at New Detroit, that we must poordinate, we
must have collaborative efforts.
I agree with that and I
think the nonprofits have to coordinate and collaporate to the
best of their ability.
Then we hear no duplication of
services. Perhaps there should be some duplication in order
to cover all the problems, and I don't mean duplication that
is a bad thing, but how much do we come together and
collaborate and coordinate to the extent that we not
fulfilling our mandate and handling all of those problems out
there? Some duplication might be a good thing in order to
·handle all of. p;p;&gt;blems.
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pitting more things against each other, I think, unless we
take a really good look at policy issues.
Slews:

Mr. Bianco.

Bianco:

Before I mentioned that I did not think that during the Reagan
years or now even during the Bush years the federal government
is doing what it can to encourage activity in the. nonprofit
sector. When we heard the rhetoric in the early '80's that
the private sector must do more, individuals must do more, we
were reminded by Russ that the giving is largely by
_individuals. But yet during the Reagan Administration and the
ta~ reform as all of us in this room know, the whole itemized
deduction was taken away essentially for about 75 per cent of
tax filers. As far as I know, about 25 per cent of the people
itemize, somebody might back me up on that number. And so we
took the federal incentive to give. We took the policy that
said, "Its
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Blews:
Bandstra:

-Representative Bandstra.
Yeah, I think you're right, that we do have a hodge podge
approach at the state level. I'm sure you're aware that we do
have a limited tax credit in place for community foundations
and p~rt of the bill that reinvigorated that tax credit
specified that we want to do a study of the way other states
structure their tax incentives for cha
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Kosteva:

I go back to Joe's point that you raised much, much earlier
and that is answering the question of who delivers the results
the best.
If we would choose, if government makes the
conscious decision to, let's say, broaden the deductibility of
certain contributions, clearly that tax expenditure will cost
the state government, and we will be making the conscious
d~cision that Jan has talked about in terms of the e~ended
pressure that state government is facing.
Lois mentioned
about the fact that we're pitting social services versus the
arts at the present time.
So if we make the conscious
decision to expand the deductions and the expenditures that
that can go for that will reduce the state dollars th~t will,
therefore, go to social services so we, therefore, will be
making the conscious decision that government has decided that
somebody else, the nonprofit sector, will deliver these
results better than the centralized state or federal
government will.
So I'm not certain if our society ... our
collective society of whom Rick and I and others are
reflective of that as their representatives .•• have made that
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Senator Sederburg, as a former legislator, what counsel would
you offer to this ... this gauntlet that has been laid down for
the current Legislature?
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Sederburg:

Well, I think we're in the midst of a rewriting of the social
contract in the state of Michigan. Michigan has a history and
a tradition similar to Wisconsin and Minnesota of a public
_that wanted public
services valued,
a
good public
infrastructure, liked high quality educational institutions,
liked to fund the arts, etc. But I think we may be in the
midst of a change of attitude and we may be moving more to an
Indiana - Ohio type of environment in which the public says
we're going to rely on the individual to make decisions and to
succeed individually and we're not going to look to government
to provide services, and I think that the public may be moving
away from the leadership of the state. And the people around
the panel and all of us probably on the bottom line feel that
the government really has a role to play in providing
leadership and providing some high level governmental services
that we can be proud of. Joe's point in Europe, you go to
Europe and people are proud of the infrastructure of the
public buildings and the public transportation systems and the
public image is there.
I ran into a friend of mine from
Minneapolis the other day and we were talking about high taxes
in Minnesota, and he said, "Yeah, we have high taxes in
Minnesota but we're proud of the park system and the road
system and the infrastructure that we have. "
I'm afraid
that's changing in Michigan and the message that Jim Kosteva
a~d Rick Bandstra and others are getting from their public is
that they're facing economic pressures and we don't care about
public services as we're having such a difficult time making
it in our own family situation. And that's very frustrating
and I chuckle and mention a big pitch for tax credits, yqu
know, a lot of people believe these are tax expenditures.
~hat it is really just another way of the state giving direct
aid to the institutions, and its just going to drive the state
budget further into debt and accelerate this social rewriting
of the social contract. So I'm afraid that its going to be a
tough time ahead until the public really resolves in their own
minds the level of public services tnat they really want 9ut
of the state government. J think the federal level has done
a tremendous disservice to us in Michj..gan in that the publJ..o
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just it on the credit card for the national debt. And so in
the same paper you can read about Congress passing a tax
reduction bill and at the same time talking about passing
mandatory health care insurance for everybody and it'll just
drive the ~ational deficit further and higher and . bighe~.
Well, we don't have that liberty at the state level, -but the
public thinks we do. So the public ia going to write to J~
Kosteva and say, "Gee, we w~nt money . for ·the arts an&lt;1 we want
a tax cut next week, too, while you're at it." And they'll~
totally inconsistent to them because that's exactly what their
Congressmen are telling them that they f.re .going to deliver in
the next election. They'r~ going to give them national health
care insurance and they're going to cut their tax~s. So why
can't we at the state level give money for the arts and c~t
our taxes? Sounds reasonable to me and I'm going to write a
letter to the legislators.
Blews:

We'll provide the legislators' addresses to you.

Sederburg:

Very good.

Blews:

Shifting to a national perspective, Ms. Gallagher.

Gallagher:

Well, first let me assure you that Michigan is not alone in
having a confused approach to incentives. for charitable
g~v~ng.
I commend to all of you Virginia's sales tax
exemption system which is one of the most complicated I have
ever seen. But I'm disturbed by what I'm seeing around the
country as I monitor tax challenges to nonprofits. And what
I'm seeing goes back to what we were discussing in the first
part of the session which is a fundamental lack of identity
within the nonprofit sector.

Blews:

And now we're talking about tax challenges not tax incentives,
an importan~ prid9e in the conversation here.
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tax exemption- is an incentive. It's not 'an incentive
to charitable giving but its an incentive to the charitable
organization to carry out its purposes; similarly a sales tax
exemption I would put generally within that framework.

p~operty

Blews:

Good.

Gallagher:

Two weeks ago, I'm told, the tax assessor's office tor
Lincoln, Nebraska, was out with tape measures measuring the
square footage of every day care center in every church
basement in Lincoln.
The tax assessor was quoted in the
newspaper as saying, "Child care is not charit~le unless its
free.
Further, child care is not a religious purpose, "
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that portion of the building that's oevoted to child care.
The Lincoln newspaper, I'm further tQld, wrote an editori4~
commending this fellow for his innovative ~nd creative
approach to solving Lincoln's reven\le problems.
I don't
understand this, except to ~ay that peQple apparently don't,, ..
aren't seeing the value in child care, the importance of chilq
care, the need for quality child care to preserve f~ly
structures. We haven't t~lked yet about your fourth sector,
which I see as the family. The Alabama Legislature -- House
of Delegates -- I'm told, 2 weeks ago repealed •. ,voted to
repeal all its charitable sales tax exemptions a$ part of a
restructuring, taking away what they viewed as unfair ta~
benefits.
I believe that's going to be correct_e d in the
Alabama Senate, but I'm seeing the need for state revenlle
driving, and for local revenue, driving some decisions that I
think are terribly unfortunate for the future of nonprofit
_organizations.
I'm seeing organizations forced to spend
substantial amounts of money to defend existing tax
exemptions, and I'm concerned about it. I'm also seeing on
the government/business/private partnership area a fund~ental
exclusion of service delivery agencies from some of the
dialogue that's going on. I'm told there was a conference at
Wing Spread maybe a month or 6 weeks ago, I'm pot sure, a~
which government, including the Governor's Council of State
Policy Advisors
and business leaders and foundation
executives, sat down and talked about how to restructure
delivery systems. I'm told that deliverers of social services
were notable absent from that discussion. Another group that
I work with is trying an experiment in Virginia to renegotiate
the delivery system and when they went to talk to their state
funders, they were told basically, "Go away. You do what we,
tell you. We don't want to hear what you think." I'm not
sure how to correct these identity problems. But I think that
if we don't address them pretty quickly, we're going to have
some serious problems over the next 10 years.
Blews:
Cunningham:

Do we see those same kinds of identity problems producing
s~ilar challenges in Michigan?
Father Cunningham?
Oh sure, but the not-for-profit organizations, the complete
spectrum of even to the point of antithesis •.• and I remember
when Focus Hope started, one of the things that bothered me
tremendously was people calling us an agency.
Because by
definition, an agency is something that does what other people
_tell-!hero to do. They act out of a contract to do ~om~thing.
( ...~;aieQ \Ui 1 1, aa•urs&gt;; ~deyelpp· gifweri:ft"e·s te':r=*t1fM~ Clll!t~€1
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relationship,
whi"le- -very important maybe-- to certain
objectives, is the death knell of the not-for-profit, highly
voluntary, and what I should think of as the •.. those of you
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the fish fly. He comes in '\:here and get~ under your car tires
and we crunch up several million billton of them eve~ yea+,
I always used to think, "That's a good ,idea for not-foJ;-profJrt
organizations.
They guide themselves as fi~h flies,
They
come get something done thep get out of business," And t}\en
good people like Dr. Mawby come along and say, "Hey, wait a
mipute. We'd like to help you, but how long ~re you going to
be around? we're lookin&lt;J for some · consJr~tency." Rignt, Ru~~?
And we're looking •..
Mawby;
Cunningham:

Positively.

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So you need some institutional stuff . .And there's a struggle
within an organization, both to be institutiopql and to be
free.
And let me tell you, that's a stiff one, That's wheJ;e
that small group of not-for-profits that are not agenciee.
And for that group now comes the responsibility t~ take this
Jb.usiness community over here and this government community on
the other side, who obviously have failed to do something or
there wouldn't be a purpose for the not-for-profit, and then
you go and say, "Its their fault, business, and its their
fault, government, that they don't know how important we are
to their destiny. "
Well that's a crock.
Its the
responsibility of the not-for-profit organization to mak~
partnerships with government and with business and to draw
them along and to make some very impQrtant assumptions. The
business community has an ethic. Now they're crooks. There
are also crooks in the not-for-profit.
But they have an
ethic, and that ethic ought to be honored and respected, but
its an ethic, a kind of fence around their business practice~
out of which they hope to become really rich apd take care of
themselves. And that's acknowledged, There's nothing wrong
with that. And government, Eugene McCarthy made a good case
and its government's business is to maintain the morays, not
to establish morality, not to grab ideals. And after Thomas
Jefferson and all that stuff God laid to rest, the purpose of
government was to maintain the institution. The purpose of
the not-for-profit organization is to reach for the stars , To ·
~each for the moral possible in our time and then to integra~e
that with the morays lifting them up inch by inch and with the
business community making them a little better, too, for the
common good.
Now comes this not-for-profit organization,
wi.mping and whining, "By God, this is hard work. " Well of
course it is. That's what you chose to set that at the helm.
-And you stand up to yourself and if you're the captain of the
ship, you shouldn't receive any pay.
"Why shouldn ' t you
receive any pay as the captain? "
(This will make me very
popular.) "Why should not the captain of the ship receive any
pay?" Because he is inviting in all these volunteers. Come
follow me. And if he gets 7 5 grand a year, how can he ask all
these volunteers to come in and do for nothing what he's
managing for a pretty handsome salary. We got a lot of stuff
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here we've got to look at. And, finally, on a very positive
side, because I think we're in for some real great surprises
and while, Jane, you make some good projections there, I'll
bet you didn't even project what was going to happen in Europe
a year and a half ago either see.
So that's nice. General
Motors has 5-year plans. Now, let's talk about projections,
You know we have an aging population in this country that's
pretty healthy, pretty healthy.
And instead of those poor
folks sitting down there in their condo around the sw~in9
pool discussing in Florida, or Boca Raton tg ~ap~ific, the
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folks you've got to give back? When are we 9oing to start
telling them, you've had a nice life ~~ time to give back?
And to give back as a fine government ~epresentative.
Yo~
don't have to go out from GM and now become a con$ultant anQ
_make $500,000 a year. You've got enough to take care of you
for a while.
Come on, give back.
I had a guy come in the
other day and his wife finally said, convinced him last year,
time to give back.
I have a major doer.
He's in at 7:30
every morning,
setting the discipline for the entire
organization because he's a good guy and wants to give back,
and he figures at 65 he's got 10 years to give back. We have
a tremendously developing population in this country of people
who've been around the block a !ew . time~ho- are au~=atest
_!:r~!is ure . c~~I!5! g ~~ back L J2att;, we ' •&amp;a &amp; \i~.., !ull!!fil&amp;!&amp;a j
) ~_@s!,t!!f=a.a•e ~··sa-! . , &lt;?t a;...-athe~ a'~. Frankly, I thinx
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and I have no criticism of business.
Good Lora,
they're on their backs. But I certainly think we've got, if
there's a partnership, it has to be their respect for the
nonprofits and getting out there and standing at the helm in
the storm.

Blews:

You strike upon an issue that Or. Payton points out in his
paper that the voluntary tradition in this nation is, in fact,
a tradition and, therefore, it must be passed on. That it is
not ...

Cunningham&amp;

-... You bet! ...

Blews:

... simply enough to assume that it will exist, that it
involves, as he says, the challenge to preserve and to
practice and to understand, to study, to be faithful, to
guard, and most importantly, to teach. And let's throw that
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Mrs. Upjohn.

Upjohn:

Blews:

You know, I ..• as I told you initially, I come from the
volunteer community from station wagon driving, brownie
baking, car pooling, bandage rolling, well baby clinic, yo~
name it.
And my kids were with me while I was doing that.
They knew that I spent the time that wh~le I wasn't with them
and while they were safely in school, working in the
community. Today, in so many families where its nec_essary for
both parents to work, they may do volunteer service. They may
have all kinds of board commitments and they may be involved,
but their children don't know it. Their children have no idea
~hat they really are making a contribution or that, as they
grow up, they need to give back. I think we have to have more
youth United Ways.
We have to have more involvement for
children and young people that go beyond selling Girl Scout
cookies but where chi~Qren ~eal!y ~nd~stand w~a~ !t~~ans to
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this panel did not nee
,ea there. We're talking about
~.at_ado we do now for the~~ureL Where do we go from here?
How o we build on ~f -its worthy of being built on, this
tradition of the nonprofit sector, how do we create a
partnership that may or may not be a very good partnership At
this point
V§h¥ ~ffective or as lively a partnership as
it ~hqylsL.be ·t.J ~w . C1'6 ('e go fiom h~·?- fia · !~~ee thes'!.~!'?'!'!!i!JI:\ ·
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l dY;de ~§~~~t.:\ And Dr. Sederburg, I can tell- you're
anx~ous to
ump in.

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I am because I just came from a state of the school speech
night at oyr local sahoo~~ the pitch of the
{\ , superintendent waa. the ...... white P'!per and the ending value
was a value on family and··-of community involvement. And I
1 ) just throw out as a beginning point of all this, I think that
we need to get a further discussion of values, both in the
school system and in government and in business as well.
I
think we, perhaps, have gone through a period of time when
values haven't been talked about very clearly and have been
sort of shied away from. And I think that's a strength of the
nonprofit sector and is going to be critical from the schools
to everything to have a clarity of values.
So and on our
local school districts, they set it up so the kids have to put
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and I think that's a neat, neat thing to do.
to the value system.

And it goes back

Mr. Cantrell.
Cantrell:

Just like what Betty had said here about taking the kids
around and letting them see first hand the value and teach
that value. One of the big concerns ·r ight now in volunteerism
is, who is passing on those particular values to the kids now
that the parents are not there to do them?
Are day care
centers, in fact, passing those on? Are the school systems,
in fact, passing it on? One of the big problems I see today,
one of the hopes I see for the future, is the fact that the
schools are getting on board and they are starting to make
community service a part of the school experience, but not the
educational experience. And that's ... that's the problem that
is out there right now. I know, in our community, kids are
_going out and they're doing things and they're not able to
come back and process what has happened.
In their little
mind, they're out there doing something and they are things
happening that they don't quite understand and if you don't
process that, it doesn't become a value. Experience in itself
is not a value. The value has to be passed on. I call upon
the school system to start to teach that value, but also to
take part in that educational process, that as an individual,
and adult individual or a child in this community, not only do
you take from it, you give back to it. And what is the value
of giving that back to? The whole idea of social insurance
that started volunteer ism in this country, the whole bond
raising type of mentality is saying that, "There but by the
grace of God go I." And, "I'm one paycheck away from being
homeless." And the social insurance approach to that is to
say, "I will go out and help those people because one day 1
when its my turn to receive help, someone will be there for
me. " And until we start to instill that value .•. Right now
we're turning kids off. Okay? These kids are going out and
getting these experiences and not being processed. And not
only that but the agencies 1 sometimes, are having them do
t]lings that a 12-year-old can't do much let's have them
vacuum. I'm sorry but there's not a lot of value that can be
gotten out of that unless you explain to that kid what the
overall agency purpose is and how vacuuming may be helping
them meet that goal in some way. But that experience has to
be related to the kids, and right now we're having them to do
~ommunity service and they're not learning from it and a lot
of them are being turned off and I don't want it to be like
the first speech I ever did when I got into this field was to
a bunch of vets, and I said to them, "Volunteer ism."
Uhhhhhhhhh.
Every time I said "Volunteerism".
Urrrrrrrr.
And after it was over, I went up to the guy and I said, "God,
you know, what did I do wrong?" He said, "These are all World
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need 3 volunteers -- you, you and you -- and they didn't come
back." Okay? So I learned right away that in certain circles
you use other words than volunteerism. Are we doing the same
thing with our kids now? Is the question. Are we saying to
them when they hear the word volunteerism out of adults
because of their experience in 9th grade or Kindergarten, are
they going to say, "Oh, no.
Mr. Cantrell, don't come here
with that." And that's what we need to take a look at. We
need to process it. We need to start to institutionalize it,
We need to pass on that value that now both working parents
cannot pass on. And we need to start it in Kindergarten and
take it all the way through the educational experience.

Blews:

Our audience ...

Ce1ntrell:

Please ...

Slews:

... is anxious to jump in with us.

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Yes, please. Thank you. Susan Bolhouse. I'm on the Board of
Education of Waverly Community Schools and also the aoard of
Directors of the ~ichigan Association of $ChQol ~Qgr s w
is represented in ou
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wa
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sorry
a e ucati~o-fZ", wa~rep;elen ed 011.
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d I w&amp;l very _r,l:'ea d~haMis G~Yagher
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m,
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point, up until '"looil_...,
ut
ag
I
as '9ettin
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frustrated because this
~~•nt
chi
and education seemed to have been
o r
ed.
e ~eve t a al~r-y~uf !ij n 1.es, a
o
organ1.zat~o s do represent children, that you do have them,
you do work with them.
Their good is at hand and in your
hearts. But you send them to us, the schools, school boards
and associations, to take care of. Jim Epolito is inherent in
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at the moment,
But he said priorities.
In
continuing this discussion, I would like you to remember thot
/ . children need to be a priority, that when it comes to sett1ng
money aside, robbing Peter to pay Paul, when you do tQke money
away from one agency, somehow please try to ~eep in ~nd that
tpe children, you've heard it before but it has never been
truer than today with budget cuts, children are our futu~e.
And, yes, ~chools do need to teach volunteerism at home as
part of the curriculum whether its a graduation requirement or
not.
As a School Board member, I feel that I pretty much
cover all 3 eectors as Or. Payton pointed out.
But as a
-fourth sector, yes, indeed, its family, but as ~ fourtn
sector, you can also take people such as myself who do work
through an elective process -- I'm elected, I'm government,
Business, in essence, running a school district is busines~.
And then, as a volunteer, because $20 a month for 30 hours a
week of work doesn't really cut it. I mean, baby sitters, no
thank you.
But please I'~ here to urge you, in finali~ing
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children.
If you can't continue in building your Nonprofit
Forum to include children in getting involvement and interest
in business partnerships, please do. And as a representative
of the Michigan Association of School Boards, I know that we
have many, many school board members out there that we
represent who would love to walk hand in hand with you on the
local level and on the state level to bring these children, to
educate them, to give them the jobs that they need and that
you want to give them. Let us help you. Thank you.

Blews:

d be assured the Summit here is a representatio
o
var..L
leadership and~f course,. . one deal~wit th
reality of
edulin~ , ...... b
sured that t
Fo
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ery thoro
rep
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the -12 ducat nal c
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want t
offer the assurance that
e children are not being
for
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I think, as we think of the future, Father Bill spoke
• eloquently to the potential of the seniors in society giving
1 back.
I think that's something we need to recognize and
capitalize on and some exciting things are happening of that
sort. The other end of the age spectrum is what we're talking
1 about here and I think that's equally important. Part of its
1 putting it into the academic world, for example, usually talks
about 2 sectors.
They talk about the for-profit business
sector and they talk about the public, tax supported sector,
and the rest is invisible.
So to consciously put in to the
sequence from pre-K-12 all the way through in Social Studies,
in History, in Economics, and all aspects of life, thi§ sector
would be useful.
But I think one of the most e~citing
opportunities, you know one of the realities of the
contemporary society is that we have prolonged adolescence for
most young people into their mid-20's.
They have far more
capacity and more motivation to be contributing, we as I guess
do-gooders, say well, they're the beneficiaries of so many
things.
We give them so few opportunities to assume
responsibility and to exercise responsibility. And one of the
great ways ... I'm not sure I'd like compulsory volunteerism ..•
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Mawby:

... really, but required for graduation, I'm not sure about
that one. But I am sure that young people, and it goes before
the teenage years, are anxious to contribute, not always to be
the beneficiaries; and that requires real creativity. One of
the greatest challenges is to the ~chool system itself,
because usually they don't let the students participate and
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it requires creativity and the life in the community. Schools
are an important part of that. But more hours are spent out
of school than in school in the life of every kid, so that
requires churches and all of the nonprofits, the community at
large, to be more creative in involving young people.
And we haven't said a great deal about the churches today.
Sister Monica, would you like to help us with that very
important part of the nonprofit sector?
Kostielney:

Well, I think there re q-~ew things that have been mentioned
tha are fairl p f u9d f we recogni e the whole order of
wha is goi
on n ?cie y. I thi
th dramatic economic
cha es tha are c u ring I think t!J.e shi t ·
~digmp for
how we re ch c nsJri'~us
nd I think the
ack of\ a moral
cons nsus n so , 'i et;v"li . . . hose are 1a11 fac rs that B e upon
hur 's ers ~1i ve;, wha I belli eve is la king · ~oc iety
that
thi
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lo us f r a d that
is r~flec io
efore l cti n. / I thin the
re s
many
chang s th
ire occu' rin tl}at we ne d to
dersta d and
think' thro 9fand ques ion a~d push u a lit e bit n the
edge. And
at's neede for hat is a rofou
eflect on on
the r alit s that are pari ~ on our ives nd
thi
that
· leads us, hen, to ques · o i~ new w s wh
is appen
these 3 s ctors. I th ri~ ha\ driv s .•. w at dries e
the •. e
of the secto s) for~xam e, i governm nt
other
~ ors are kind
f ~n
by th ir own re our
by~
an we do?
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an, go ernment asked the
e tion,
"What c
we do with o •.• with these
I think
asks the same hing in ~erm
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they're driveh___ y technology, they're
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the point of starting now to move toward the
conclus ·
and I know that there are at least a couple
_of-pe1)ple who have very compelling remarks that they're
anxious to get onto the record. I think there was somebody
from the audience who'd like to comment.
~oard

Rosenbaum:

Yes.
My name is Rene Rosenbaum.
I'm a Research Associate
with the Julian Samora Research Institute at Michigan State
University. And I have a question that I hope will touch on
the relationship between cooperation between government,
business and the nonprofit sector, and also I think will touch
on the issue of public policy. The question is this: I've
seen the role of nonprofit organizations as promoters of
volunteerism and democracy.
In direct contradiction, we've
seen the role of nonprofit organizations, for the most part,
as helping maintain national ... a national safety net.
It
seems to me that seeing nonprofit organizations as promoters
of volunteer ism and coopera ... and democracy implies less
government and less business assistance and funding, while
seeing nonprofit organizations as maintaining a national
safety net requires more government and more business funding.
If people from the panel could respond to that please.

Blews:

Quite a question.

Cantrell:

I don't know if this is the response. Former Governor George
Romney has said in many instances that he has every confidence
in the American people because there are more people than
problems, and all we have to do is empower the people to deal
with the problems. I think that when you take a look at human
service agencies, you are looking at both of those aspects and
we can't ... we can't escape those.
In one sense, and we are
all aware in human services of the ebb and flow of monies,
okay, and what happens and you see this typical process time
and time again.
When there's a lot of money there, the
professionals rush in.
We fill ourselves and all of our
offices with professionals and then the money ru~hes out and

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�we run out and get volunteers from schools like people like
yourself, as student interns, and they fill those s~e
offices.
One of the things that happens, though, i&amp; •.. the
people, the volunteer managers, will go about filling those
offices. The administrators will run out and start screaming
and hollering about the money that is not there any more. 1
think one of the things we're going to always need that,
We're going to always need ~overnment and business monies and
support to maintain that safety net, but at the same time
we're maintaining a second safety net and that is that whole
pioneer spirit.
I know when I was in ... in •... in •• , grade
school I said things like, "That good old American know-how,
Yankee ingenuity."
I never knew what it meant, but I was
American and wow, I got this somehow and it gave me ~onfidence
to go out and do things because, wow, somehow because I
happened to be born here, I have something special. Okay? I
don't see that specialness there any more. Okay? In terms of
_the volunteers.
In terms of administrators, I see them
looking only in one direction, that is towards funding, and so
goes the funding, so goes our operations and our agencies.
And what we need to have is we need to have a marriage of
those two and both of have to be seen as equally ••• equal
partners in that whole relationship. Volunteers, except for
the Board of Directors who are treated quite well with dinners
and everything else, but your direct service ~~u~t~~~~~~
treated like tbird-cl
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times.
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n 'ferms of that we'l neve
cape t at, I
think that its necessary, but we're mai t ining 2 thin
here.
We're maintaining that safet~et fo people\ who eed it,
we e also ~· ntai~·
ng a volu e~r spi · t th 1lt if we every
los it in t is cou ry, eve
hing will umb e ~ ght along
with it. An we're no puttip any emphasiS'\P th,·t volunteer
spir~
at a
to the s an~6ynt that we need . o. , I go up to
Weste
and I talk to pr~~eors up there and ·~· :1e11 them, "It
is impo i~e for any ~e .fo graduate from yo r n~iversity and
not serv on a board or be
volunteer. It s · 'im~ossible fo
anyone tq~e an ~U'cator I ~ a social wor~ey or \ hospita
administiato~ ang not i~porporate volunte,1s.
An~ yet yo
don't t~ach t~~/concept fO them.t : When go RUt, they~ow ho
to manage peop~ that a~e paid, ~ ~ut they h~~e not ide how
manage7that /seco~ele~ent, and :soak at ~~e a~encies. Rig t
now 'dar every pa
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Mr. Yamanishi.

Yamanishi:

Nonprofit organizations began with the concept of charity.
Father Cunningham subscribes to the idea of giving without any
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Blews:

Mr. Bianco.

Bianco:

Firet of all, responding to the question from the audi$nce, it
seems to me that the safety net provided by the nonprofit
sector has its limits. It seems to me that when you begin to
talk a.b out whatever the number is these days, 35 million
without any health care insurance, and you begin to talk about
bridges collapsing and roads falling apart, its very hard for
me to really see that no matter how creative we get or how
many volunteers we get, its very hard for m~ to see issues
like that being fully, fully addressed simply within the thi~d
sector without substantial financial resources. And I'm sure
there are others around the room that can think of other
issues like that where the safety net issue, in my opinion,
cannot, in the short term -- short term in this case being
defined as the next 5 to 10 years as I see the short term ·~
be provided by the ... by the ... by the third sector. So the
i~sue then becomes, is it governmental resources or is it no
resources? Is the problem simply going to be tolerated as it
is tolerated, as you well know, in many other countries of
this world, and some who do have economic resources. And I
think that would be totally contradictory to the spirit we've
talked about here today that's embodied, we hope, in the
American conscience, of caring a whole lot about their
neighbor and not wanting to see suffering and so forth.
So ... so clearly we've got those kind of issues that I don't
think are going to be fully handled by the third sector. Now,
27 years ago, when my wife and I got married, we came back to
Michigan and we went to a church retreat the first month we
were back. And it turned out that the individual giving the
retreat is now sitting down the table there. And our lives
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were never the same after we got through with Father Bill
Cunningham's weekend retreat. And he'e still on my case as
you can see. But I'm not going to let him go. I think one ot
the challenges that the nonprofit also has is a credibility
challenge, and its not just what Father Bill says about all of
us working for free which may work for him -- God takes care
of him, you know -- Kroger sort of takes care of us and GQQ
helps out sometimes. But I think one of the challenges that
all of us have is the credibility of our third sector QI;
nonprofit organizations.
I' 11 n~veJ; forget when I was
considering leaving Dayton/Hudson Corporation and I talked to
several people and I said, "Gee, sho~ld - I really do this?
Does this make sense to you?"
Several people, basically
business and professional people, said, "Oh, Qed, ~oe. Don't
go out to that Detroit Institute of Arts. Don 1 t go to work in
a nonprofit organization.
You 1 re going to lose all your
management skills.
You're going to get caught in the most
_God-awful politics and nonproductive activity that you've ever
seen in your life.
Just stay away.
Don't do it." I would
assert that if you talked to most business executives, and
although Peter Drucker's certainly helping us all out a great
deal these days in his nice articles, but I suspect if you
talked to most business executives, they would assume that
people who work in nonprofit organizations may have great
spiritual qualities, may have great caring qualities, but I
suspect at least their mind set would be that most of us are
not very good managers. So I think the credibility issue for
us is how do we forcefully demonstrate financial integrity,
management strength, as third sector people, to get the
respect
of
people
like
Representative
Bandetra
and
Representative Kosteva and other people who, even in the
governmental sector, will have that question and that
accountability.
So I think we've got a lot of work to clo ,
there to demonstrate our management competence and ou~
financial capabilities and I don't mean fund raising, I mean
accountability. Never losing sight, of course, of what Father
Cunningham and Sister Monica and others have said, that we, in
the process of doing that have a balance in our organizations
s9 we never lose sight of the caring mission and the eoaring~
to the stars, as Father Bill said.
But as we soar to the
stars, we should have our audit in our pocket and we shoul~V · -~
have a good, tight organization.
~~JYJ
With that,
discussion.

Dr. Payton, you helped t~~~s
Can you help us to come to~conclusion~

whole

Well, I'm a ... any of you ever heard ot--Meye 's break
personality type indicators, I'm an ENPP and I don't like to
come to closure on these things.
I don't believe in closure
on open-ended, problematic questions of the kind we're talking
about.
In fact, I think its a real mistake to think that
there's an answer to the question .. , questions we've been

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trying to talk over.
I said in the paper, and listening to
all of you this morning, I'm persuaded that to restate what I
said in the paper, mission is the key. But my understanding
of that has been expanded and, I think, enlightened by some of
the things that I've heard here.

As you recall, my opening remarks I mentioned what somebody
called the "U.S.S.Were" -- Russia -- the society facing
problems that, I think, make our's appear to be ... make our
concerns appear to be self-indulgent.
Very, very grave
problems. Bill Sederburg captured, in a sense, what •.• what I
think they face and that I think we face . when we start with
the notion of mission and we think about mission in the larger
sense.
When he used the phrase, rewriting the social
contract, that kind of language is being used more widely all
the time these days.
heard that,

the efforts to

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it in the context of all 3.
If we're an American democracy
anything remotely like the one that we've all known _and loved,
then we will continue to be a 3 sector society. So we've got
to call business to task in examining its place in this 3
sector society as well as government, as well as the sector
that we've been trying to focus on here today ~
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our
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The next 20 years, I am told, will see the largest transfer of
wealth from one generation to another, not only in the history
of this country but probably in the history of the world.
Estimated numbers don't sound authentic in the mouth of a
humanist like myself, estimates ranging from $3 to $7 trillion
dollars.
So although we've got lots of economic problems,
don't you believe that we are not a weal thy society, that
there isn't money to do things. That's not our problem. But
it is a very serious question of what those resources will be
used for and I think that's part of what will come .out of our
participation in this rewriting of the social contract.
alews:

In that spirit, not of closure but and not of an ending but of
really of a beginning, I'd like to suggest that the panel t~ke
a vote here, and since there are several Legislators here,
~his seems an appropriate thing to do, how many of you would
be in favor of continuing this kind of summit and this kind of
dialogue into the future? All in favor say "Aye."

All:

"Aye"

Slews:

· Opposed?
I think that speaks rather emphatically to our
commitment today to really a new beginning and a new
partnership.
We do, on behalf of the Michigan Nonprofit
Forum, want to express a very, very special thank you to each
of the panelists, each of you leaders from business, from
government, from the nonprofit sector, for the very, very
thoughtful contributions that you have made to the dialogue
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noted here that a commitment to partnership is refl~cted in
the presence by each of these individuals here today, They
co~ld have been many other places •
There weJ;e many other
demands on their calendars. They made a personal commitment,
In a sense, they and their organiz(;ltions made a fiscol
COllUllitment by committing the resource, the value of their
t~e, to be here with us.
And so we do want to thank each of
you for your commitment to this beginning partnership. we
hope that those of you who have listened in and looked in have
found this to be a stimulating discussion, have found it to be
a thoughtful discussion, and we hope that in your
organizations and in your activitiee ~round this state and
throughout our society, that this will also lead you to n~w
challenges and to new opportunities fo~ partnership.

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                    <text>MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM

MNF SUMMIT

February 28, 1992

"Partnerships for People and Progress:
The Nonprofit Sector's Evolving Relationship with
Michigan's Government and Business Community

�MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
SUMMIT
February 28, 1992

Lewis:

I hate to say that we're already running a little late, so its
not a great way to start but its just an exciting morning. I
want to welcome you to this first Summit of the Michigan
Nonprofit Forum.
I'm Maryellen Lewis.
I'm the Executive
Director of the Michigan Nonprofit Forum which is sponsoring
this event. You'll be hearing much more about it when it's on
the tape. Right now, we're not so I can be a little more
relaxed.
We have a very, very distinguished panel here this morning,
representing
leadership from all three parts of our
communities — government, business and the non-profit sector.
We also have a very, very distinguished audience, so I know
jthat its going to be very lively. You will be hearing more
about that when our moderator begins.
I want you to be
encouraged to speak up, to make your comments, particularly
the audience at the invited sections, to be sure that you
don't feel intimidated by these cameras around here or the
fact that there are television lights focused down on you.
You will be getting an overview of this morning's program from
our moderator, but I wanted to take a few minutes to give you
a little orientation, just as a set-up, because I know it may
be unfamiliar to some of you. In case you hadn't noticed,
you're being filmed and taped, but I don't want you to be
nervous about that. There have been a lot of arrangements
made to make this as accommodating as possible.
The tables are triple clothed so that there won't be a noise
problem. You have no need to worry about the mikes. You
don't have to touch them. In fact, it would be much better if
you didn't. And you don't need to lean in to them. Just
speak normally. They're set up to accommodate to you. It
would be best if you did pay a little attention to your papers
and not have the papers brush up against the microphones.
That can cause some problems.
Also, please keep in mind that the discussion is not just
among the people who are here today, although that's your
immediate audience. But because this is being taped, we will
be editing the tape and it will be used through our network
statewide for educating and informing the public around the
state about these very issues. They will be used at ... the
edited tape will be used as a stimulus for round table
discussions in various parts of the state.
I should also
point out that word "editing" means that you don't have to
worry too much if you make some kind of a snafu and you want
it cut out, it will go right on the cutting room floor.

�The cameras. . .The microphones are automatic. That is, when
you begin to speak, the microphones automatically pick you up.
That means that if you're talking to your neighbors, it will
pick you up. So please pay a little bit of attention to that.
However, the cameras are not automatic and because of that, we
will need to pay a little bit of attention to accommodating to
our camera crews. So our moderator will recognize you. If
you wouldn't mind paying some attention to this moment of
having him recognize you so that the camera can then turn to
you. Now that may get a little more difficult if things get
a little hot, but, for the most part, we'll try to do that.
And with this audience that we have here, I'd like to make two
points for you so that you're fully aware of this. This mike
is not 1 ive now, I be 1 ieve, but wil 1 be when we have the
points where the audience will be invited to speak. When you
speak, would you please wait to be recognized by the moderator
_so that, again, the cameras can focus on you. You might want
to, during the discussion, take some notes (There is notepaper
in your folders. ) so that you can direct your comments to
specific people or points that were raised. And remember it
will be edited so your comments can then be put adjacent to
those comments in the final tape. Also, when you do speak,
please say your name, your organization and your title so that
those who are not here in this room and who won't know you
will have some understanding of where you are coming from.
And now I think that we're ready to begin. I see the cameras
are all focused and ready. Our moderator this morning is
someone that most of you already know very well. He is the
President of the Association of Independent Colleges and
Universities of Michigan, and he is also the Chair of the
Public Policy Committee of the Michigan Nonprofit Forum. I'm
very pleased to introduce to you Dr. Edward Blews.
Blews:

Thank you, Maryellen. These are my pre-camera remarks. I'm
your Phil Donohue for the day. I will be much kinder, though,
than he generally is to his audiences. I would like to offer
a, word of commendation to Maryellen Lewis and our MNF
Executive Director and her staff for all of the work that they
have put into this wonderful project. And I'd like to thank
each of you leaders who graciously consented to participate.
This is an exciting but maiden voyage and trial run of a grand
experiment, so please bear with us and be adaptable as we go.
Before the cameras roll, I would like to share just a few
comments and ground rules about the logistics. First, about
the format.
From now until about 9:40 we' 11 have the
introduction of the Summit, Dr. Robert Payton's comments,
we' 11 set the stage for dialogue, and then we' 11 have the
introduction of the panelists, and it's my job to try to keep
us on track with that process. Then from about 9:40 to noon,

�with a mid-morning break I assure you, we will go through
three stages of dialogue. Stage 1 involves identification,
definition and values of the nonprofit sector. Stage 2 will
speak to the relationship between government, business, the
nonprofit sector and the changing dynamics, issues and
tensions that are at play in those relationships. Stage 3
will involve insights for the future of the relationship or
the question, "Where do we go from here?" That gives all of
you, then a sense of where we hope to be going today.
A few other preparatory comments for the panelists in addition
to what Maryellen has shared, and as panelists you'll want to
be prepared for a couple of steps that will come very quickly
after Dr. Payton's remarks. First, we ask you to please be
prepared to briefly introduce yourselves around the table. So
rather than having the moderator drone on as you sit there and
stiffly smile and the camera pans the room, each of you will
_tell the audience, both the video tape audience and the real
"people in the audience here, who you are. We ask you to be
very brief in that and share this information about yourself:
your name, your title, the name of your organization, and one
sentence about what you represent or the constituency or
interest that you represent. If you wish, you're welcome to
write out a note about that before that point in the program.
A fore-warning. To begin Stage 1, we will play a little word
association game. I'm not going to tell you what the word is
yet or you won't be very spontaneous about it. But we ask
you. . .There will be two of these, and we ask you to write that
word on what should be a fairly stiff piece of card-type paper
in front of you. And you'll want to locate that and be sure
that you have that. The one word you'll write on the one side
and then write the other on the other, and you' ve got a
marking pen at your table so you can write it nice and legibly
and boldly and largely so that as we go around and do this
word association, we'll ask you to hold up the card and be
sure to point it toward a camera so that as you say the word,
the camera can also visually pick up the association that you
have made.
Thirdly, in our discussion we want to focus on principles,
dynamics and relationships. Please feel free to cite cases or
issues in illustration of principles or relationships; but
let's avoid debating interminably specific issues or specific
-political issues.
We want to focus on principles and on
relationships here.
Though 3 hours seems like a lot of time, with the caliber of
the hearts and minds on this panel, I assure you that it will
fly and it already is flying. We have a full agenda, so
please be frank and forceful in your comments, but also try to
be succinct. On the other hand, I will need plenty of help in

�trying to moderate this panel, particularly in avoiding dead
space on the air. So please be ready to jump in — freely
jump in. But I do ask you to give some sort of a signal when
you're ready to speak out so that I can attempt to recognize
you and that also gives us the pause that brings the camera
around to you. If you use acronyms, please help to interpret
them. Realize that we're talking to an audience that does not
necessarily know what ICUM is which happens to be the acronym
for our association. I doubt that any of you knew what that
acronym meant until I just mentioned it.
And then an invitation to the audience.
As Maryellen has
mentioned, there will be 2 points in the program where you
will be invited to come to the microphone here and join in the
discussion. The first will occur at the end of Stage 1 of the
discussion when we talk about identification of the nonprofit
sector, and then the second will come at the end of Stage 3 as
we try to bring a sense of closure and a sense of conclusion
to the deliberations of the day.
I trust that I have anticipated any questions that you may
have and, having said that then, we will not proceed with all
due warning to the cameras to the formal part of the program
here today.
Hello. It is my privilege to welcome you to this special and
first summit/ sponsored by the Michigan Nonprofit Forum. On
behalf of the forum's Chair, Dr. Russell Mawby, our Executive
Director, Maryellen Lewis, and the Board of Directors of the
Forum, many of whom are gathered in this room, we invite you
to brace yourself for a lively and energetic dialogue about
some issues and relationships very important in our society
today. My name is Edward Blews, and in my professional life,
I serve as the President of the of the Association of
Independent Colleges and Universities of Michigan.
But I
stand before you today, as a member of the Board of Directors
of the Michigan Nonprofit Forum. Established in 1988, the
Michigan Nonprofit Forum is a dynamic new coalition of
statewide organizations and leaders representing the wonderful
diversity of nonprofit entities. The Michigan Nonprofit Forum
describes itself as, and I quote, "...a statewide alliance to
promote the awareness and effectiveness of Michigan's
nonprofit sector and to advance the cause of volunteerism and
philanthropy in the state^jj In its relatively short life but
rapid maturation, the Forum has evolved into an enterprise
charged with achieving a new awareness and increased capacity
of Michigan's nonprofit sector, and with interfacing funders,
nonprofits and the public to help promote volunteerism and
philanthropy in this state of our's.
The Forum views volunteerism, philanthropy and the nonprofit
sector not as proprietary issues but as public goods which

�broadly affect the state's economy, polity and quality of
life, and which, therefore, merit careful attention.
Consequently, the Forum seeks to promote dialogue, cooperation
and collaboration across the many, many nonprofit fields such
as health, human services, arts and humanities, community
development, education and religion.! In fact, this particular
organization called the Forum may~T5e the first time that the
many different types of nonprofit organizations and causes
have gathered in the same room at the same time to talk about
the same things. VT5ut we are here today because the Forum also
seeks to promote that same kind of dialogue and cooperation
across the sectors — that is the government sector or the
public sector, the nonprofit sector and, of course, the
business sector or the for-profit sector Jj
The Board of Directors of the Forum has adopted 6 guiding
principles designed to reflect the mission of the Michigan
^Nonprofit Forum. One of those principles states, "The service
of the nonprofit sector to the public depends on an
interactive partnership between service providers or nonprofit
entities, funders, policymakers and the public. The Michigan
nonprofit community should promote constructive dialogue among
all these parties."
You will probably hear the word "mission" used rather
frequently, or so we hope, during the discussions of the day.
This Summit which brings us together really goes to the very
heart of the Michigan Nonprofit Forum's raissionj. Those of you
who talk and those of you who listen and look in on today's
proceedings are really participating in a rather historic
revent.
This is a unique undertaking, an exciting experiment.
fit is the first in a series of forums bringing together our
society's leaders to think on compelling issues affecting our
society and the nonprofit sector. The purpose, though, is not
to provide the answers but rather to pose and clarify and
stimulate the questions, and from them to spark an on-going
dialogue. The title of this particular summit islwhat I would
call a meaningful mouthful. It is, ("Partnerships for People
and Progress: The Nonprofit Sector's Evolving Relationship
with Michigan's Government and Business Community."
Now very shortly we will be introducing our very distinguished
pane1 of government, business and nonprofit leaders. But
first, to set the stage for our dialogue, we will hear some
-remarks by a very distinguished national leader and recognized
expert on philanthropy. Before I introduce him, let me simply
mention for the information of the audience that he has
prepared and circulated to the panelists today a paper
discussing the theme of this particular summit and he will
share some comments about that theme in just a moment. His
name is Dr. Robert L. Payton. He comes to us as the Director
of the Center on Philanthropy at Indiana University. From

�1977 to 1987, he served as the President of the EXXON
Education Foundation. His very impressive leadership career
has included 2 college presidencies and a United States
Ambassadorship. The recipient of honors to numerous to cite,
he is an author on philanthropy who puts his words into action
as leader and volunteer for countless good causes. Please
join me in welcoming Dr. Payton to address us on the topic at
hand. Dr. Payton.
Payton:

Good morning. I am very pleased to be here with you. 1 I was
pleased to be invited to prepare the paper that has been
circulated to you. It occurred to me when someone commented
before the meeting that they had read the paper that I hope it
is provocative enough to serve its purpose, but not so
provocative that it puts its author in jeopardy. I hope to
stimulate conversation that comes from you because you
represent, the community that is the matter of concern on this
_occasion.\ come from outside. I don't presume to know the
particuTar circumstances of this community, so it becomes very
important for you to articulate what you think is most
relevant about that paper, if anything. So I want you to draw
from it rather than attempting to impose further my sort of
author's guide to what it says. Let me, however, talk about
it for a moment, or talk about the subject for a moment, in a
somewhat different way.
Over the last several years, along with everyone else, I have
been profoundly impressed by the events in Central and Eastern
Europe. I'm old enough to be able to say that my generation
as a generation never believed that it was possible that such
events would take place without vast bloodshed and
destruction.
So it is that this most extraordinary event
provide us with, I think, an extraordinarily important
opportunity.]
Given the conditions that would cause this meeting to be of
compelling interest to the people in Michigan, what would an
analogous meeting be like in Russia today? Who would come and
what values and understandings would they bring?
We're
advised they're invited to provide advice increasingly to
countries in that part oj^ the world that will help them
develop a third sector. Vwhat we are watching is a situation
where societies are moving from a condition of being one
sector societies, with strong encouragement from the West to
-become two sector societies in the beginnings of suggestions
that they should become three sector societies.
It is my
strong conviction that unless they become three sector
societies, they will not become democracies. It is my very
strong conviction that understanding that the United States is
a three sector society is essential to understanding it as a
democratic society.

�This is not a subject at the margin of our interests. This is
a subject at the center of our lives, whichever sector we are
parts of, because as citizens we have had the great good
fortune to^become members — to be members of a three sector
society* \The first sector can be thought of — the government
that is — as having an essential defining term, and the term
that I have to use that says that without it you can't talk
about government is the word "power"; the legitimate use of
force in behalf of the community. If you take the notion of
that away from your notion of government, it seems to me your
notion of government collapses.
There is a defining term of the second sector that will be
something like the word "wealth" or the word "property"; the
right to acquire and use and to dispose of wealth and property
according to your own individual private interests. If you
were to take that out of the marketplace, the second sector,
_it would collapse.
So my habit as a professor is to say to my students, "Then, of
course, you're ready to tell me what the defining term is for
the third sector." And, along with most professors, there has
been a heavy, ominous silence. I will break the silence and
tell you that my notion is that the word has to have something
to do with morality, and I mean morality only in the sense
that intervening in the lives of other people for their
benefit with no public mandate is a moral action. And if you
took that out of the third sector, you wouldn't have a third
sector.
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p—
Part of the point of my paper is that we need to keep those 3
values distinct while we encourage interaction among the 3
sectors.
Final note. I've tried to summarize responses to a request
for assistance from someone for whom one has no formal
responsibility. An individual or an organization comes to you
asking for your assistance and it is someone for whom you have
no formal responsibility.
That would fall into the zone of
what we usually call charity or philanthropy. What questions
might come to mind, and I think often do whether they are
articulated — verbalized — or not, when that question, that
request for assistance is posed, the first one is the notion
of self-help. If someone asks me for assistance, that person
has no formal claim on me to respond affirmatively. It is
reasonable for me to ask what that person or organization is
doing to help himself or herself or themselves.
Fundamentally, the central notion of the place of self-help in
this larger, complex system we're talking about. . . I do this,
by the way, usually with a cube. A cube is, in my case, a
simple cardboard box with these words around the side. Its

�the kind of thing that Rubik would have designed as a cube if
he'd only had tenth grade geometry like I did. But the first
face on it, in other words, says "self-help." The second face
says "mutual aid. " What are you and your family and your
friends and your neighbors and your associates and your
colleagues and those other people who do have some formal or
informal claim on you, what are you doing in that way, working
together with others, to deal with the problem?
The third face of this has the word "government assistance."
Its a recognition that there are many things that we cannot do
as individuals or groups according to our self-interest or our
mutual benefit. There are some things that are so important
or so difficult or so complicated that we have to assume that
we will not rely on those things, but we will require all of
us to participate in some way, that is to say, the simplest,
most familiar way. We will decide to tax one another to do
Certain kinds of things.
If each one of those 3 questions is answered — self-help,
mutual aid, government assistance — in some plausible way,
satisfactorily for you, you then face the philanthropic
question. Are you prepared to offer assistance to help those
people for whom you have no personal, formal responsibility?
Now a cube has 6 faces, so there is a top and a bottom and I'm
not trying to suggest superiority and inferiority here. But
since we're talking about philanthropy, the top of the box
says that there is a dimension that cuts through all these
things all the time and that's the word "altruism" — concern
about others.
If that weren' t a factor in the human
condition, we wouldn't be here. We wouldn't be talking about
this subject. It's always present to some extent. The most
rigid, rigorous libertarian is altruistic to some extent, like
it or not. But then all the rest of us who are, obviously,
high-minded and altruistic are also egoistic, self-interested
— to some extent. And altruism and egoism are not only on
the top and the bottom of the box, they are on each side of
this discussion. That the people who come to you have a selfinterest just as you have an altruistic one. But you should
remember they have altruistic concerns and that you have selfinterested ones.
I think some of these brief notes are intended to suggest that
this first sector of government, these notions of self-help
and mutual aid in the marketplace and elsewhere, and
philanthropy — self-interest — concern about others —
interact in our lives in absolutely extraordinary and
wonderful ways that makes our society, in my judgement, the
most privileged that I know of^J And I hope that sense is not
something that one is that proud about in the sense that its
a claim of virtue on one's part because we are not here

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�because of our own initiatives but because of others who have
gone before us have made it possible and desirable for us to
be here.
That principle of the philanthropic tradition that we are part
of is what, I think, really distinguishes American democracy.
It is the best thing, I think, that we have that we can share
with the rest of the world.
It is the best tradition, I
think, to help us face the kinds of difficulties you're
talking about in your community and we're talking about in
mine today. Each one of us is not just part of a sector.
Each one of us is a part of that traditional And so I wish you
well in your discussions and will close at that point — short
of my normal 50 minute lecture.
Thank you.
Blews:

JPhank you, Dr. Payton. I'm certain you were very popular with
your students with that kind of lecture.
To carry on the dialogue from here, we have gathered around
this table a panel of leaders from government, from the
business world and from the nonprofit world. And at this
point I 'm going to toss out a little teaser because it may
that there is a fourth sector. These 3 sectors that I have
mentioned, and sector is a term that we will hear frequently
today, are certainly a significant, significant part of the
infrastructure of our society. The government or the public
sector, the business world or the for-profit sector, and the
nonprofit sector or what is sometimes called the charitable
world. And I will mention the teaser, that there may be a
fourth sector that somebody may strike upon as we continue our
dialogue here.
There are 2 things in particular that strike me about this
particular panel. The first is that they are a very, very
distinguished group of government, business and nonprofit
leaders. The second thing that strikes me about this panel is
its diversity. Now I am also acutely aware that a panel of
leaders like this cannot be kept down and cannot be kept
silent for very long. And so we are going to now ask each
member of the panel to briefly introduce himself or herself
and the perspective from which they speak to us today,
beginning with Mr. Yamanishi on my left.

Yamanishi;

Thank you. My name is Herb Yamanishi. I'm the Executive
Director of the Michigan Community Action Agency Association.
Community Action Agencies are part of the old War on Poverty
Program. We cover all 83 counties of the State of Michigan
and are one of the largest social service/human service
delivery systems in the State of Michigan serving over a
million and a half people. And curiously enough, out of the

�War on Poverty, I think to some degree some credit can be
taken that the growth in the nonprofit world today.
Sederburg:

I'm Bill Sederburg, Vice President of Public Sector
Consultants here in Lansing, Michigan.
Public Sector
Consultants is an independent, for-profit research firm
specializing in State public policy and public opinion
research. And you asked what sector we represent. With the
name of Public Sector Consultants, we're for-profit. I'm not
sure exactly what sector I'm supposed to be representing, so
I think I'll represent the for-profit sector today and shed my
12 years previous experience of being in the State
Legislature. I'll let the other folks on the panel that are
currently in the Legislature try to defend that institution.

Mawby:

I'm Russ Mawby, Chairman
_W. K. Kellogg Foundation
grant-making foundation.
as the Chairman of the
Nonprofit Forum.

Upjohn:

I'm Elizabeth Upjohn.
I'm Vice Chair of the Kalamazoo
Foundation.
I am 1992 Campaign Chairman of the Greater
Kalamazoo United Way Campaign, so you can see I'm a bit of a
masochist. I am new kid on the block as far as the Michigan
Nonprofit Forum is concerned, and delighted to be here. I've
been a volunteer in Kalamazoo County for more than 42 years.

Kostielney:

I'm Sister Monica Kostielney, the Executive Director of the
Michigan Catholic Conference, which is the public policy arm
for the Roman Catholic Church in Michigan, which addresses the
issues ranging from aging to taxation and everything in
between. Also, currently I have the privilege of Chairing the
Partnership for Michigan Health which is another exciting
coalition that is discussing in a very high-road fashion the
dominant issue of health on the State agenda today. Thank
you.

Cunningham:

I'm Father William Cunningham, Director of Focus Hope which is
a Metropolitan Detroit Human and Civil Rights organization,
and our objective over the past 23 years has been to stimulate
people and help people to become productive as a major part of
their right in human dignity. And the other side of the coin,
to enhance that by asking them to be contributing.
Our
organization has 40,000 volunteers.
In addition to being
nonprofit, we are also very competitive and for-profit.

Roehrig:

Oh.
I 'm Larry Roehrig.
I'm Secretary/Treasurer of the
American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees,
Council 25. I'm here on behalf of the entire membership of
the Michigan AFL-CIO. That stands for the American Federation

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and Chief Executive Officer of the
which is an independent, private
I also have the privilege of serving
Board of Trustees of the Michigan

�of Labor and the Congress of Industrial Organizations. And I,
too, wear two hats. I am also the Secretary/Treasurer of the
United Way of Michigan.
Clark:

I'm Jane Deanne Clark, Senior Director for Health Policy
Analysis at Michigan Healthcare Institute which is the notfor-profit research arm of Michigan Hospital Association.
Michigan Hospital Association represents all close-to-200
hospitals in the State of Michigan. They are, in the vast
majority, nonprofit and in addition to that, I also am
Executive Director of a unique organization which combines
business, state government and the hospitals in the data
collection effort, and that organization is called Michigan
Health Data Corporation.

Kosteva:

Hello.
I'm Jim Kosteva, a fourth term Legislator from
southeastern Michigan. My legislative focus has focused on
jthe E's — education, environment and economic development.

Bianco:

I'm Joe Bianco from The Founders Society of the Detroit
Institute of Arts which is the private sector support
organization of the DIA. My entire background, as some of the
people in this room know, has been in engineering and finance
and economics, and yet I found myself running a major
corporate giving program some years ago, now in the nonprofit
sector asking for money and trying to assist in the management
of a nonprofit. So I've had a chance to look at it from both
sides.

Hoffecker;

I'm Fred Hof fecker.
I'm an Assistant Attorney General. I
work with Frank Kelly. For the past decade or so I've been
fortunate enough to have as part of my duties of supervising
the Charitable Trust section of the office and working with
both sides of the nonprofit sectors, both the grant givers and
the grant seekers, and I'm very pleased to be here today.

Benavides

Hello. My name is Tony Benavides and I'm a Councilman for the
City of Lansing. I'm also Executive Director for Cristo Ray
Community Center, a human service agency which is a private,
nonprofit organization located here in Lansing.

Cantrell:

Hello. I'm Aaron Cantrell. I guess I'm here in 2 capacities.
I'm Executive Director of the Voluntary Accident Center in
Kalamazoo and Volunteer Centers are basically there to recruit
volunteers who are trained through our administered volunteer
program, and to promote the whole concept of volunteerism.
I'm also a Vice President of the Volunteer Centers of Michigan
which is made up of all the Volunteer Centers here in Michigan
and our purpose is to develop new centers and to promote
volunteerism throughout the State.

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�Miller:

I'm Judy Miller.
In my present life I am now Michigan
Business Ombudsman in the Department of Commerce, a
gubernatorial appointee given the responsibility of solving
problems that businesses have with State government and
providing some solutions in regard to that. Also, on special
assignment in the areas of Arts and Child Care.

Epolito;

Hello. My names is James Epolito. I'm the Chief Executive
Officer of Blue Care Network/Health Central, a Lansing-based
70,000 member Health Maintenance Organization.

Work:

Good morning.
I'm Lois Work.
I'm Vice President of New
Detroit Incorporated which is the nation's first urban
coalition. We began in 1967 to try and insure that the needs
of the poor and the disadvantaged in Detroit and the Detroit
Metropolitan Area are met.
We do this basically through
advocacy on a policy level and through serving as both a
catalyst and an implementer of program projects.

Wilson:

Hello. I'm Mark Wilson of Michigan State University where, in
addition to teaching Political Economy, I direct a nonprofit
Michigan project which is a research and information
dissemination initiative to inform the nonprofit community in
Michigan more about its experiences and the scale of
operations.

Vaughn

Hello. I'm Senator Jackie Vaughn III, Associate President of
the Michigan Senate. I'm a student both of the public and the
private sector.

Cox:

Good morning.
My name is E.L. Cox.
I'm currently the
President and Chief Executive Officer of the Accident Fund of
Michigan.
In my former life, I was the Chairman of the
Amerisure Insurance Companies representing the business sector
of this and the target of many of you for contributions over
the years.

Gallagher;

I'm Jan Gallagher. I'm a partner in the Washington, D.C. law
firm of Harmon, Curran, Gallagher &amp; Spielberg. I practice
extensively in the area of exempt organization law. I edit
independent sector's quarterly publication, STATE TAX TRENDS
FOR NONPROFITS. And I'm currently engaged as a consultant for
independent sector in the development of their white paper on
the role of nonprofit organizations.

Bandstra:

I'm Representative Rick Bandstra, a Legislator in the Michigan
House from west Michigan.
I 'm in government now.
In a
previous life I was a lawyer in the private sector and I
continue to be involved in a lot of nonprofit board activities
back in Grand Rapids.

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�Ivory:

Good morning. My name is Bob Ivory. I'm the President and
Chief Professional Officer of the United Way of Michigan.
United Way of Michigan is an association of some 110 United
Ways throughout the State, raising about $139 million in this
past year. Additionally, we also fund a series of, a network
of 20 statewide agencies offering services throughout the
State.

Anderson:

Hi. I'm N. Charles Anderson, President of the Detroit Urban
League, a United Way Agency in southeastern Michigan. I also
have the distinct pleasure of being the Chair of the Michigan
Council of Urban League Executives.
There are 113 Urban
Leagues across the country that are part of the National Urban
League and we all are United Way agencies, and our basic
mission is to enable African Americans and other minorities to
reach their fullest human potentials.

Blews:

Thank you to each of you. Through those introductions we can
certainly see the interrelationship in our own professional
and personal lives between the 3 sectors that we have
described. |~In his prepared paper, Dr. Payton described this
Summit as an exercise in exploratory discourse. We enter the
discussion with questions, and will explore possibilities.
Continuing to quote from Dr. Payton, the Summit itself has no
authority to affect change. In fact, the Summit has only the
moral authority we may bring to it, individually and
collectively.
If we are successful, others will carry the
discussion forward towards action and implementation. We will
be pursuing this discussion in 3 stages. We might think of it
as the booster stages on a rocket or on a space ship. Each
stage of the discussion, we hope, will thrust us forward to
the next level and the next stage of the dialogue. Those 3
stages,
briefly
stated, are first
—
identity or
identification; secondly — the evolving partnerships; and
thirdly — insights and principles to guide us into the
future.
Stage 1, then, really poses an identity crisis. That is, what
is the identification of the nonprofit sector? What is this
entity — this thing that we call nonprofit?
What is its
role in a pluralistic and democratic society?
What do we
expect of it? What values energize it? What distinguishes it
from government and from business?
Let's start off our discussion with a little
association or a little word of game associ. . .a
word association.
In fact, I'm gonna. ..we're
that and I'm going to start over again. That's
all of you, I know. I can make mistakes.

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game word of
little game of
going to cut
reassuring to

�Let's begin with a little game of word association. It may be
revealing. Each of our panelists has a large card in front of
them and a marker pen. I'm going to ask them now to write on
that card the very first and honestly the very first word or
adjective that comes into your mind when we say the word
"nonprofit sector." And if this were a television game show,
the clock would be ticking and the music would be proceeding.
Okay. The time is up. And so this time, beginning on this
side of the room, we'll simply go around the panel and
identify what those words are with the panelist holding up the
card so that our audience, our visual audience, can see as
well as hear what that association is. Mr. Anderson.
Anderson:

Well the first thing I think of is Social Services.

Ivory:

Hyphenated concept — Volunteer-Driven.

Bandstra:

~A long word that barely fits —

Altruism.

Gallagher:

Public Good.

Cox:

I used Public Purpose.

Vaughn:

I used For All.

Wilson:

I used Invisible, because we look at what nonprofits do but we
don't think of how they're organized.

Work:

And I used Conscience.
Community Conscience.

Epolito:

Social Good.

Miller:

And I'll add the word the word Community to Conscience.

Cantrell:

Community Welfare.

Benavides:

Free.

Payton:

Here's an academic. Serial Reciprocity. Which is a word...a
term you'll remember but it really means simply, pass it on.
The idea of repaying the good works that have been done for
you by the good works you do for others in turn.

Hoffecker:

I thought it was a comment on the Kellogg Foundation.
bottom line from the nonprofit is Good.

Bianco:

We're all working together for the good of the Community.

Kosteva:

I thought of a different bottom line —

I thought I needed one word.

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Fund Raising.

I meant

The

�Clark:

I'll add a little specificity.
perhaps. Hospital.

Roehrig:

Spoken as a Treasurer —

Cunningham:

Spoken as a theologian — Voluntary. Because it springs from
the highest instincts and highest ideals of human nature.

Kostielney:

I wanted to put Hard Work but I put Service instead.

Upjohn:

Spoken from experience —

Mawby:

Voluntary.

Sederburg:

And Charity.

Yamanishi:

You've got two votes for Charity.

Blews:

'Charity wins by a plurality.
That's marvelous.
An
illustration, again, of the diversity of the sector. But
let's play the game one more time.
What word now, what
value...What value pops into your mind when we say the word
nonprofit sector? What underlying value do you first think
of? And the pens are busily scribbling again. What value do
we think of associated first with the nonprofit sector? And
this time we'll begin with Councilman Benavides and go that
way.

Donations.

Volunteer.

Benavides:

Commitment.

Cantrell:

Caring.

Miller:

Love.

Epolito:

Credibility.

Work:

Service.

Wilson:

Altruism.

Vaughn:

Good for All.

Cox:

Altruism.

Gallagher:

Another vote for Altruism.

Bandstra:

Yet another vote for Altruism.

Ivory:

Community Good.

Anderson:

Positive Results.

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I'm too involved with my job,

�Yamanishi:

Another vote for Altruism over here.

Sederburg:

We differ this time.

Mawby:

Caring.

Upjohn:

This is the Russ &amp; Betty Show.

Kostielney:

Understood in its entomological sense —

Cunningham:

That was good.
Courage.

Roehrig:

From the heart — Loving.

Clark:

Community Good.

Kosteva:

JSternal Hope.

Bianco:

Caring.

Hoffecker:

Freedom — to make choices, where to put your time or your
money in your altruistic way to do good.

Payton:

And my word is Democracy which tries to capture these notions
of Community and Caring.

Blews:

Mr. Epolito, you used the word Credibility. As a person from
the business perspective, how do you think of the nonprofit
sector? How would you define or describe, in a paragraph,
what the nonprofit sector is?

Epolito:

Well, I think of, when I think of what nonprofit means, it
means, to me anyway, to not benefit to any one individual's
good; that the dollars that are collected, the services that
are provided are not for any individual, personal need but for
the good of all. And so I said the word "credibility" because
I find that many nonprofit organizations, and having worked
for some, have had a very difficult time in achieving and
maintaining credibility. But all the way through, that seems
to be a mission.

Blews:

Representative Bandstra. As a legislator, what do you think
of? What is your definition of the nonprofit sector?

Bandstra:

I guess I'd like to follow up on something Jim said about that
and I think that what's happening here with the credibility
problem is what happens so often times in all kinds of
institutions in our society, that good apples are infected
with the aura that surrounds some bad apples. And I've often
wondered whether we, as State Legislators or nationally, ought
to come up with some better system of required disclosure of

Human Respect.

Caring.
Compassion.

And understood in its entomological sense —

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�how nonprofit organizations work to provide assurance to
everyone that through some standardized reporting system, the
institutions that they are supporting are reputable and worthy
of their support, to deal with the kind of public perception
problem that sometimes does infect the nonprofit side,
unfortunately and unwarrantedly often.
Blews

How do you in the nonprofit sector react to that particular
idea? Father Cunningham?

Cunningham;

To me, credibility is...is less...far less important than
integrity.
I don't think people ought to be trusted or
believed. I think they ought to have track records to be able
to demonstrate that they' re worthy of the support of
government and partnership with industry.

Blews:

Lets refer...return to the notion, though, of legislative
^involvement in terms of helping to assure accountability of
the nonprofit sector. Mr. Bianco, from the perspective of the
Detroit Institute of the Arts, how does that resonate with
you?

Bianco:

I think the role of government really ought to be a role of
clearly defining that they do want to help the nonprofit
sector. I think our national administration, both the Reagan
Administration and the Bush Administration, has failed rather
substantially, in my opinion, in defining the importance of
the nonprofit sector — the third sector — and giving impetus
to it. I also believe that in our own state, there has been
a failure of leadership, both from the current administration
as well as the previous administration, in clearly defining
and supporting the role of the third sector.
Having said
that, I think the accountability question that Representative
Bandstra brings. . .raises is a very good one. Some 14 years
ago, I was one of the people working with the Detroit Chamber
of Commerce that suggested that in our laws in the state we
require a certified public accounting firm audit of all of our
local units of government as well as our regional authorities.
I think the same thing really ought to be true of the
nbnprofits, for example, who receive any kind of State funds.
I think that ought to be a simple requirement. The Auditor
General comes around now, but a certified audit each year is
useful to management and its useful to regulators. So I think
that kind of enabling accountability that doesn't get
everybody involved in the micro management of the nonprofit,
I think setting that framework would be a very healthy
contribution, in my opinion, that the Legislature could make
to the credibility of our nonprof its.

Blews:

You've used the term "definition" in your comments. Sister
Monica, as the Executive Director of the Michigan Catholic
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�Conference you're part of the nonprofit sector,
define the nonprofit sector?

How do you

Kostielneyj

Well, I think my understanding of the nonprofit sector comes
from the very nature of the human person, and that is if you
begin with the premise that each person is good and has desire
to do good and then moves out from that premise and coalesces
with other people to good for society or for the common good,
you have a legitimate group of citizenry who have a right to
be as recognized as the other sectors in society. I do not
see the nonprofit sector as kind of picking up what other
people can't do or won't do. I see that as a bad approach to
nonprofits; but rather that there is a basic good that drives
one to accomplish good and that is a basis then for forming
the nonprofit sector, inn the whole spectrum or range of
issues or values that touch human lives, from basic human
needs to the transcendent values that we all seek — going
right from basic human needs to the arts. And so there is a
'legitimate place, then, for the nonprofit sector to be present
and very active in the range of human activities.

Blews:

We've said a great deal about values with regard to the
nonprofit sector. But when we ask the question of definition,
we rea 1 ly haven' t very c learly de f ined what the nonprofit
sector is.
And we're fortunate to have with us today a
national expert in that regard. And, of course, a national
expert always has far more credibility than one of us. The
old prophet without honor. Miss Jan Gallagher, as you have
heard, is Council with a law firm and is a recognized expert
on this whole issue of the definition and the protection of
the nonprofit sector.
And she, as you have heard, is
conducting a study of the independent sector or the nonprofit
sector in the process of preparing a white paper on that very
subject. Miss Gallagher, structurally, what is it that makes
nonprofits nonprofits?

Gallagher;

I think that probably the single, most important structural
differentiation is the one that we've already discussed this
morning, and that is the concept that nonprofits, as a matter
of law, are barred from operating for the private benefit of
anyone.
That's a concept that often doesn't get, in my
judgment, the attention it deserves.
It certainly is the
single
characteristic
that
distinguishes
nonprofit
organizations most clearly from business enterprises. The
-concept of no private benefit involves an attention to salary
levels that are reasonable, to operating in a way that doesn't
advance the private interest of any individual or any selfselected group of individuals.
It also, for most of the
organizations today we're calling nonprofit, involves a
commitment of their assets irrevocably to a public purpose.
Again, that's something that sometimes gets lost in
discussions of the differences between a business and a

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�nonprofit organization.
A self-imposed characteristic, not
one that's actually required by law, at least not very
frequently, is that the types of nonprofits, again that we're
discussing this morning, typically are governed by volunteer
Boards of Directors.
And, again, that's an aspect of
nonprofit structure that, I think, has not gotten the public
attention that it deserves recently. The concept of a group
of volunteers coming together in a community to form an
organization in response to a community need, and then lending
their time to provide policy guidance to that organization, is
an important characteristic of nonprofit organizations.
Finally,
I think
its a characteristic
of nonprofit
organizations that they do exist to provide some form of
public good or public benefit.
Blews:

In your study, you've been looking at the broad range of
entities that fall within that term nonprofit sector. Can you
,give us a sense of what that range encompasses?

Cunningham*

Well, for purposes of the independent sector paper, the
organizations that make up independent sectors' membership and
the steering committee of the group that's looking at this
issue have divided themselves into the following categories:
we have arts organizations; we have civic and human rights
organizations;
education;
environment;
health; public
advocacy; religion; and social welfare. And that, I think, is
a fair description of the diversity that makes up the
independent sector.

Blews:

As we played the word association game, it was fascinating to
see the number of different values that were identified with
regard to the nonprofit sector. And I understand that in the
study that you are conducting, that is, in fact, one of the
things that you are compiling is, in a sense, a compendium of
those values that are found within the nonprofit sector.
Could you give us a checklist of those values?
Well, the approach the steering committee took in its
discussions was to try to evolve a set of values, social and
cultural values, that the nonprofit sector embodies and
nurtures. And I'd like to stress that this paper, thank you,
that this paper is very much in the process of development;
that the values that I'm about to describe are not finished,
and that I'm very appreciative of the opportunity to be here
-this morning, and I hope that this discussion is going to
inform my further work in this area.
The first value that we've described is called...we're calling
"Giving, Service and Community."
And this value states
something that we just heard all around this table this
morning — the basic moral obligation of people to care for
and serve others. It...As we're using the term, its defined
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�as the value that creates a fundamental sense of community.
Without giving, without service, we don't have community.
The second value is "Pluralism." And, in a sense, that's
almost antithetical because at the same time that we're
building community, we're also affirming the value of
diversity, the ability within the community to speak out for
other points of view.
And that, I think, is one of the
critical things that nonprofits must do. Nonprofits also,
within the concept of pluralism, encourage individuals,
encourage groups to come together to act on their own values
and their own beliefs. They provide a structure for people to
do that.
"Civic Participation" is a third value. Again, its a way for
individuals to come together to act for positive social change
within our democratic structure, and in this way, and I think
_that Dr. Payton mentioned this in his paper and again this
morning, we're. . .we are sustaining and renewing the democratic
process.
Without viable voluntary organizations, the
democratic process would wither.
The next value is the "Development of Human Potential." Most
nonprofits exist in one way or another to a greater or lesser
extent to help people to grow — to be as good as they can be.
In this value we have the commitment to excellence in
education, to excellence in scholarship, to research, to
artistic expression. We have a lot of other things in this
value as well.
The development of strong families, sound
health, healthy environment, an overall positive moral
character for people, altruism.
"Compassionate Response to Human Need" is the next value.
That's a very important one for the social services sector.
Voluntary organizations are the ones who exist to mobilize
community resources to care for the poor, the sick and the
disabled, the elderly, others with special needs here in the
United States and around the world.
Finally, we have the value of "Faith." Its impossible to talk
about the independent sector and ignore the importance of the
religious community within it. And through the voluntary
sector, we have churches and religious organizations which
provide a means for people to practically express their faith.
Religious organizations...(tape stopped)
. . .at least three others.
One is the important role that
nonprofits play as the protector of the legacies of past
cultures, and I think that that is a critical role for the
arts community. A second is that nonprofits play an important
role in this country in providing perspective on the future.
Since they're not bound by a profit motive, nonprofits are
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�able to guard the present, look to the future, hopefully to
plan as we make transitions into the 21st century.
And,
finally, and I think that this is very important for nonprofit
organizations to be themselves, to be architects and
practitioners of ethical behavior. And this is a value...I
think the other values are ways in which nonprofits provide a
structure for people to act. This particular value is one in
which nonprofits themselves must set the example as a way,
again going back to what Dr. Payton was saying a few minutes
ago, as a way of teaching people trust.
Blews:

Thank you.

Bianco:

I don't want to get us off the schedule you're on, so I'd like
to just make one response to Jan's comments .f You know I think
when we talk about what' s the difference between the third
sector or the nonprofits and the other two sectors within the
United States, that's one perspective^^ Another perspective
that I think we need to examine at some point in these kinds
of discussions, which I frankly hope will be on-going for
quite a time because I think there's a great challenge to the
third sector going on in this country today, and I hope we
come together again^... But I think one of the other things we
have to compare^^In the United States, as we well know, there
is about 31 per cent o f our Gros s National Product that is
consumed by taxes in the Gross National Product. The European
example, as I'm sure many of you have studied these things
probably more carefully than I have, have seen that about 41
per cent of the European Gross National Product is consumed in
taxes^X^h® European model is certainly, from a value point of
view, has many of the same Christian and Judeo-Christian
values and motivations that are here in our society. I think
those kinds of values are operative and strong influences on
both sides of the Atlantic in that sense. But in the European
models, clearly they have made a different decision. /The
third sector is certainly not as important there as it is in
the United States, and they've made a decision to provide the
basic kinds of caring services that Sister Monica referred to.
They've made a decision to provide for arts, for culture, for
education, for all of those things; but they've chosen to
provide it largely through federal government taxation and
federal government programming. So in that sense, clearly we
have a remarkably different model in the United States. And
then I think we get into the question of, "Who delivers the
service the best? What are the results?"
It seems to me
Charles had a results sign over there.
Who delivers the
results better?
And I think that alone is a tremendous ,
challenge to all of us in the nonprofit sector to think abgut.
So I guess the point I'd make is that (1) we are clearly
different from the European model, to say nothing, Professor
Payton, about the Eastern Bloc model; and (2) within our own
country, the merger between the third sector and governmental

What's the reaction to those values?

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Mr. Bianco?

�influences, I think, is something that again is going to make
this distinction a little bit more blurred as we go forward.
Blews:
Yamanishi;

Mr. Yamanishi.
It seems to me that what Jan has put down here and what we're
defining is not. . .nonprofit sector is not quite as pure and as
moral as we would like it to be. I don't think it is. The
underlying assumption is, and historically, we had charities
and the concept of charity was what was used. As a matter of
fact, if you look at the history of nonprofits, the term
charities used to be used in a lot of the names of
organizations.
The United Way had charities in its name
previous to the time it changed to The United Fund. I think
nonprofit sector can't be defined quite so pristine and
purely. Its a dynamic. Its a force that's pushed between the
private sector and the public sector, and you have
^institutions, organizations within the nonprofit sector that
are leaning one way or the other constantly. Its a dynamic
that. . .and you'll find organizations that are mimicking, maybe
almost substantially, the private sector in the way in which
they operate and the way in which they deal with benefits,
personal benefits, they way in which they address problems,
etc. And then you'll find other organizations that are much
more allied with government and operate in a much more
experience with community action agencies. And a lot of them
that, even though they're private, nonprofit agencies, had
solely government funding and had government people on their
Boards as directors and so then they became much more of a
political entity in the lo.cal community.
So you have a
dynamic and that's, I think that's what we created was a
dynamic that helps us to define the forces between the public
sector and the private sector. That's where we...I think we
should begin to look at the definition of what a nonprofit is.

Blews:

Do we need a greater clarification, a greater understanding of
the values, or are the values that important?

Yamanishi;

I_ think it encompasses all these values that everybody has
addressed in some way or another. What it is...What we try
to... I think what we' re trying to do, what the independent
sector is trying to do, is help to define more appropriately,
"Where is the middle ground that the general public is going
to accept in terms of this dynamic?"

Blews:

Dr. Sederburg, for a number of years you represented that
general public in the State Senate of the State of Michigan.
Dr. Payton, in his paper, refers to a rather interesting term
— "teliopathy" — the loss of mission or the disease of
purpose which really goes to a values question also. What's
your reaction to that?
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�Sederburg;

Gee, Edf I'm just delighted to be asked that question. What
about a nice softball question like, "What do you think good
is? or something like that? Teliopathy, of all things* Well,
as I understand Dr. Payton's comments on teliopathy, its
talking about lack of focus and loss of mission in
organizations — kind of a drift without a sense of mission.
And I'll try and tie that in with what Herb said and then also
with what Joe said. I think government is losing its sense of
mission as to what the public really wants government to do.
I really feel sorry for all these candidates running around
running for President because the public is giving them
totally mixed messages. Do they want National Health Care?
Do they not want National Health Care?
Do they want Jobs
programs? Do they not want Jobs programs?
And its such a
mixed bag that government itself has lost its sense of mission
and its causing all sorts of dislocations in the political
system.
The mission is also central to this debate, in my opinion,
because I 'm going to be perhaps thrown out the room here with
this, but I think the nonprofit sector is defined by what the
others are not. You're the residue of everything else, and
its driven by market functions. For-profit, when we look at
it, the public sector, we look at what are the markets out
there, those market niches, that we can go out there and do
some work and, hopefully, make enough to feed the kids.
Government looks at constituencies as a marketplace and so
there's a constituency that develops; government will be there
with that service. And so its driven... Those two sectors are
driven by market functions. The nonprofit . . .nonprofit sector
is driven not by markets but by good will and philanthropy and
the desires of the individuals organizing it. Its a different
direction, a different flow. And so the point that Dr. Payton
made about mission, I think, is central to the whole debate,
and that is the definition of mission. Government is adrift.
The private businesses are also having mission difficulties
because of the changing economy and the world, global economic
forces, etc. And so that's a tough debate going on. And the
mission of nonprofit homes...I don't know why I keep saying
nonprofit homes...but nonprofit organizations is very, very
tricky because everybody looks to you guys to catch everything
that's left in between. And that's a very difficult type of
situation. So how about that for an answer, Ed. Was that all
right?

Blews:

That sounds interesting to me.
I'd like to know what Ms.
Work's reaction is to that speaking for New Detroit. Is your
mission defined by what others don't do and, therefore, you
do? You mentioned when we talked about values, you talked
about service as the value that the nonprofit sector
represents.

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�Work:

New Detroit tries to go along with what its original mission
was.
And I'd like to take into account here many of the
comments I've heard. When Jan said that the nonprofits are
the architects and practitioners, perhaps, of moral doings, I
was taken back to had you asked me, I was going to say perhaps
nonprofits are both the stimulator and the implementor of good
deeds. Now New Detroit's mission is, of course, to try and
ensure that the poor and the disadvantaged have a voice in
what occurs to them and that they. . .their human needs are well
taken care of. But what Herb said earlier, I think, really
applies here, too. Nonprofits depend often on where they get
their money from.
New Detroit gets a lot of business
/corporate funding, but we have also had many, many grants
that were government funded. And, I think, depending upon
where your funding comes from, often you have to lean a little
more toward the values and the practices of the sector that
gives you the funding. Our mission, I would say, is to be a
stimulator and a practitioner o f good deeds . However, the
business sector, who gives us a lot of funding and I think
this is a good thing, is making sure that we become more
businesslike and more effective in what we do. The government
sector, when we have their costs of funding, wants us to be,
obviously, a little more political depending upon where the
funding is coming from, and also has a very different kind of
bureaucratic view of how you spend your funds. So I would say
that I think the nonprofit sector, indeed, has its own
mission, but it is often one cannot separate the 3 and how one
gets its funding and who funds you.

Blews:

All right. Senator Vaughn, we've talked about values and
we've talked about the mission of the nonprofit sector. As a
Senator, how important do you consider those values and that
mission to be?

Vaughn:

I consider them to be extremely, but I'm more confused now
than ever. I have a constituency here and back home and so
I'm constantly pulled in all directions. If you noted when
you asked me the original question, I said nonprofit is good
for all. Its the first thing that came in my mind. And then
I had a little notation, though. Things held in common. It
doesn't benefit the left or the right. I should rise above my
own ethnicity or political persuasion and do what is right.
And I find that in listening here to all of you, I want to be
reelected and I consider that as one of my missions — and we
talked about mission — and yet I want to be liked and I want
to be loved and I want to do what is right, so I 'm torn
between the forces, but I never lose sight of the fact of why
I'm here. I'm here to help for all, for a people and to rise
above my own ethnicity and my own political persuasion and try
to say, "What would benefit society much better?" So the
mission is clear, I think, but I am not clear in my own
narrowness.
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�Slews:

Senator, you raise a very important and a new point, and that
is that in order for a Legislator to serve that public good or
that good for all that you described, that Legislator also
must be reelected from time to time. This, after all, is a
democratic system.
Representative Kosteva, with your
constituency, is there a value placed on the nonprofit sector
on the kinds of missions that we've described such that you
can, as a Legislator, be a proponent of the nonprofit sector
and still be reelected?

Kosteva;

Clearly, because many of the purposes that the nonprofit
sector and the governmental sector strive to achieve are so
similar.
The benefit of all, the public improvement, the
ability to advance human potential, to respect the diversity
of our nature and of our culture and institutions, I think
that's very easily done. The beauty of the nonprofit sector,
in my eyes, is that it allows the individual choice to be
made. The individual choice on the part of individuals to be
able to pursue the nonprofit contributions and roles and
volunteerism that they individually choose to participate in.
It allows them to advocate for those particular causes, and
with that advocacy and that participation and that choice
comes a commitment to those causes. And so I think its one of
the fullest expressions of the participatory democracy that
Jefferson brought to this country. So clearly, to the degree
that the government sometimes deals with the collective good,
the nonprofit sector, I think, their well-defined mission at
the present time, on a more individual basis, I believe is
more well-defined than the governmental sector and the
business sector as it comes to social concerns.
I think
they're very, very compatible with constituent concerns as an
elected official.

Blews:

Dr. Mawby, you're on the funding side as the President and
Chief Executive Officer, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer,
of the Kellogg Foundation. Are the values that you have heard
and the missions that you have heard worthy of your support?
Are they the kinds of values and the kinds of missions that do
warrant the support from a foundation such as yours?

Mawby:

Well, we, as a grant-making foundation, of course, work very
closely and share, in general, the values of the nonprofit
sector. Under laws established by legislative groups at the
state and federal level, the nonprofit sector is defined and
we, as grant makers, have the opportunity of giving funds to
nonprofit institutions and organizations and to all of the
units of government. So its very often a collaboration and
you have to say that, as you look at society over the past 10,
20, 30 and 40 decades, the role of the various sectors
continue to be dynamic and evolutionary. We passed federal
legislation with funding which provides for positions labeled
volunteer which are paid. And that, you know, results in some
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�confusion. So its an evolutionary process. Simplistically,
it seems to me, the nonprofit sector represents all of those
institutions, organizations, and programs which include
private initiative for the public good. And certainly the
kinds of values that have been described on the cards and in
the discussion are certainly consistent with the kind of a
mission that we see as the particular role of grant makers in
the whole collage.
Slews:

Very good. How. . .How well does business and how well does the
government sector understand the nonprofit sector, let's say
on a scale of 1 to 5 with 1 being low level of understanding
and 5 being a high level of understanding, Mrs. Miller, as a
former State Legislator yourself, how would you rate the
understanding of the government sector and how a leader in
government, in the executive branch, how well does government
understand the nonprofit sector?

Miller:

"I'm not certain it understands it very well at all. I would
put that on a rather low side in terms of maybe a 2. Just
looking at it from my current position, and even having been
a community leader and volunteer in my own community, I find
that government has a very difficult time being sensitive to
human needs and to human value, and I think that's one of the
frustrations that I feel in dealing with the governmental
system now as on the administrative side as opposed to the
legislative side, because we can become too isolated there
from what the needs of the community are and then to better
provide the leadership that I believe is needed from the
government sector.
Because as people have said around in
several different ways as we have talked this morning, that
government and business provide the direction, divide the
impetus, the influence as to how a nonprofit may go. And if
we don't have the leadership and the understanding of the
purpose of the nonprofit, we're not able to provide the
leadership that's needed.
And, I guess, that's what I'm
hoping in terms of my role as the relatively new kid on the
block in terms of the administration of government, that we
can bring more sensitivity to that.

Blews:

Mr. Cox, from a business perspective, same scale, how well
does business understand the nonprofit sector?

Cox:

I think the business community understands the nonprofit
sector very well.
Each business organization certainly
recognizes their own corporate responsibility to the nonprofit
sector. And that's limited by their own personal resources,
obviously, and as you go through a time much like we're in
today, the amount of resources available for distribution
becomes limited. And, you know, they have the same compassion
and the same social concerns that all of us have. But its a
matter of meeting the payroll or donating to nonprofit
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�organizations. And their obligation, obviously, is to meet
the payroll as best they can. But, no, they understand very
well.
There's a concern about how much of the tax dollar
should be devoted to that as well. And you can't do both.
You can't continue to raise taxes and then continue to expect
the corporate..-the business community to find the means to
solve all of the problems.
Bianco:

Ed, can I take a contrary view to that?

Slews:

Sure.

Bianco:

My good friend, E.L., who has always been a good contributor
to the museum, it may be over after this comment. . .From my
perspective and the years I spent in business, and certainly
E.L. and had many, many years of exchanges together, I would
say that business in the '90's is going to continue its
challenge of down-sizing, right-sizing, whatever the term is
going to be. As that continues, I see the corporate sector
having less and less of the executive time and staff time
available for volunteerism.
I think the pressures of the
marketplace on our corporate structure are so severe at this
point, and will continue to get more challenging in a global
competitive environment. And that' s one of the reasons I
raised the point I did before with Jan about the difference
between the European system and our's, because I think we may
have a separate discussion about that one sometime. But I
think the corporate sector is going to be able to do less. I
agree with you, E.L.
Like all the rest of us, corporate
executives are sensitive human beings, in many cases not all.
Like all the rest of society, and will take some personal
interest and follow through in the nonprofit sector. But I
also think we're going to see such a great pressure on profits
— we're already seeing it — and I think that will continue
through the '90's to the point where, I don't know what the
current numbers are, Russ, but it seems to me the last
conference board report I read, corporate contributions were
5 or 6 per cent, something like that, of the total.

Mawby:

That's correct.

Bianco:

And then foundations were another 5 or 6 per cent. So even at
this point, if the corporations make up 5 or 6 per cent of the
total giving pot, and that averages out at 1.6 per cent or
-some number like that of pre-tax profits, if I remember that
number correctly also, that's a fairly small contribution out
of the profits of the corporations. And if they're going to
be under competitive pressure for new plant investment, for
new equipment investment, they're going to have to make a
simple choice. Do I give the money away, or do I reinvest in
a new plant or a piece of equipment or something like that?
And my point is that in the competitive, non-oligopolistic,

It's a battle.

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�non-monopoly market that the United States now finds itself
competing in, the decisions, I think, are more and more going
to tend toward, "Our basic job is to provide employment. Our
job is to provide products and services for this country, and
more of our money has got to go in that direction." So I
think there's caring there. I think there are some wonderful
people to be reached.
But I think the challenge to the
nonprofits is going to be tremendous to make their case in a
very competitive, very sensible way, because I think the
corporate pot is going to be smaller both in terms of people
as well as money.
Kostielney:

Ed.

Blews:

Part of making that case is to understand what impact the
nonprofit sector has within a state such as Michigan. And we
have with us a scholar, Dr. Mark Wilson, who is the Director
_of the nonprofit Michigan Project at MSU and who has been
"conducting the first study of the nonprofit sector within our
state. Dr. Wilson, to bring this to a sense of closure in
this identification panel, what can you tell us about the
impact and what do you know so far about the size of the
nonprofit sector in the State of Michigan?

Wilson:

I think the reason I said that it was invisible was the
reaction of being a researcher trying to find information on
nonprofits. Its very hard to even find out where it is and
how big it is. So the impact of nonprofits is very, verydifficult to gauge because we don't have a clear idea of what
they do or how much they do or even where they operate. We
can. . .To give you an example, we find about 3,000 nonprofit
organizations in the state that employ someone, and they
employ about a quarter of a million workers, a little more
than 5 per cent of the workforce. And that's almost easy to
find out about. It was, compared to the rest of the nonprofit
sector, that was easy. But it made you think about what else
is the nonprofit sector doing? Well there are another 20 or
30,000 nonprofits in the state that have perhaps been
registered or perhaps taken on charges or have organized
themselves formally, and so that's another level of nonprofit
action. And then we did a case study of Calhoun County and
found there were 5 to 10 nonprofits that didn't even register,
that didn't even recognize themselves in a formal way. The
nonprofit sector tends to be invisible. We can't see it. We
can see the organizations that employ someone. We can find
the organizations that have a very formal, or legal,
background but what about all the community groups that do
contribute something, that do offer something to the quality
of life, that are forgotten. The small social groups, the
small environmental groups. Music groups. Care groups. They
exist — are invisible. They slip through the cracks. So I
can say quite confidently that we have a quarter million
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�employees in Michigan in 1990, that nonprofit organizations
are generating far more employment growth than perhaps you
would expect, they're about 5 per cent of the sector, but
they're about 10 or 15 per cent of all the new jobs in
Michigan. But beyond that, that's just really the visible,
formal nonprofit sector. The invisible nonprofit sector is
equally important, but we just can't get a clear idea of what
it is and where it is.
Blews:

Mr. Anderson, from your perspective with the Detroit Urban
League, what's your reaction to all of this?

Anderson;

Well I think its unfortunate sometimes that we do appear to be
invisible, because I think the nonprofits, Father Cunningham,
we've been making wine out of water for a long time. We know
how to take 100 pennies and turn it into 101 pennies. I think
government... we' re the organizations that take, get the
jnaximum results out of the minimum dollars. Our budgets are
scrutinized by foundations and government entities and things
are cut away because they think its too expensive. And so we
are making extreme contributions in our communities with
minimum resources. I think nonprofits are a much better place
sometimes for programs and activities to take place than they
are in government entities. Sometimes you see, yes, I think
sometimes there are too many nonprofits.
And I think
sometimes its too easy to become a nonprofit. But at the same
time, those nonprofits that are around like the Urban League
or New Detroit or what-have-you or Focus Hope, we are making
tremendous contributions in our communities. We are turning
things around and in business, if the other two sectors look
at us a little more closely, I think we all could benefit in
our communities much better than what we do.

Blews:

And that really leads us into Stage 2 of our discussion which
is talking about the relationship of the 3 sectors.
But
before we jump to that, we would like to invite anybody from
the audience, if you would like to dive into the dialogue,
this is an opportunity for you to do so.
And please identify yourself and your organization.

Young:

Good morning. I'm Leonard Young. I represent the Michigan
Ecumenical Forum on the Nonprofit Forum Board.
I have a
rather specific question that I want to ask about identity.
Jfow we've been talking all morning and there seems to be some
general agreement around the table about what identifies a
nonprofit.
But in my experience and in many of our
experiences in nonprofit organizations, that consensus seems
to break down when you come to the practical level,
particularly in the relationship between government entities
and agencies and nonprofits, and what actually defines a
nonprofit. Let me give you several examples of what I mean.

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�There's one set of criteria for the IRS to determine whether
an organization is nonprofit. There is an entirely different
set of criteria that the U.S. Postal Service uses to determine
if an organization is nonprofit and can use bulk mailing
privileges. In the State of Michigan there is an entirely
different set to determine whether you are exempt from sales
tax or property tax in different areas. And yet again in the
Attorney General's office there is an entirely separate set of
criteria used to determine whether you have to apply for a
charitable solicitation license or not.
For a lot of
organizations, especially small, locally based ones like Mr.
Wilson was talking about a minute ago, considerable hardship
is wreaked on those organizations in trying to sort out how
all of the different entities of government and agencies look
at and define nonprofit organizations. I would be interested
in the Attorney General's office commenting a little on that
from their point of view and any of the others who see how we
jnight be able to get some kind of a consistent micro
definition of what nonprofit organizations are, and as we
began when Representative Bandstra talked about being
accountable, a single way of doing that so that people know
how they may respond to inquiries and to be appropriately
judged and scrutinized as Mr. Anderson was saying. We need
some single set of criteria for determining those.
Blews:

Mr. Hoffecker, you're the Assistant Attorney General with the
Charitable Trust Department in the Attorney General's office.
Your reaction.

Hoffecker;

Well, its a good question and one I, frankly, welcome. We
view the nonprofit sector as a method by which the tremendous
social energy that we have in this country can be channelled
and moved into doing the virtuous, good things that we've all
mentioned this morning. Government, in my view, and strictly
my view, should be as unintrusive as possible. I think we
have a duty to guard the public against fraud, because there
is charitable fraud — it does exist.
So you need some
standard and some mechanism to deal with fraud. Beyond that,
in my view, there shouldn't be any exemptions. The fact that
some organization is religious in nature, and we have this
concept of separation of church and state, that should not by
itself exempt the organization from letting the government
know that it is out there in a nonprofit charitable function,
how much money its taking in and how much its spending.
X3overnment shouldn't say you have to take in, if you take in
this much, you have to spend that much on your charitable
purpose. That's going to be a decision for the public. If
the public has access to information about the nonprofit
sector, what they're doing with their income, making 101
pennies out of 100 pennies, people, I think, can make
reasonable decisions on where to spend their money or, as
money gets tight, more importantly, spend their time by
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�volunteering with an organization, and make the whole process
a lot better. The current statutory scheme, I think, started
out as a governmental way to kind of nurture nonprofits.
Okay, we'll make them tax exempt. We'll give them a break on
certain kinds of property.
To encourage people to make
donations to certain kinds of charities, they get a tax
deduction against their income taxes for making a donation.
Well government should nurture good works that way. On the
regulatory side, and that's where I come as a regulator, we
need to protect the public from fraud and provide a mechanism
for information for the public so that they can make decisions
on what to do with their time and money without regard to
whether the organization is a church, a school, a United Way
entity, or any other kind of nonprofit organization.
Blews:

Do we need a more consistent legal definition across the
various units of government of what a nonprofit is?

Hof fecken

Well, I guess inconsistency is a hallmark of government, but
yeah, I think we need some basic tenets that every body can
look to and I know at our level, with the Charitable
Solicitation Act, we look to the 501C3 status of the Internal
Revenue Service. So we try to be consistent with them. We're
trying to make our organization operate on the 990 form with
the IRS.
That makes it easier for organizations.
One
document. If we're all looking at the same document, it makes
it easier for the organization, it makes it easier for the
public, and we' re all looking at the same numbers.
Arrangement of the numbers on a form can change peoples'
perceptions about organizations.
In terms of the Postal
Service, I'm not sure what their regulations are, but I'm
sure, being a 501C3 is a big part of it. If we focus on that
as the one constant, then I think we can deal with the other
things.

Blews:

At this point, then, we will take a break. We will reconvene,
we will try to reconvene by 10:45, so please be quick and
brief.
(Break)

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�(Resumed Summit; - 10:56 a.m.)
Blews;

...public here. I'd like to say a word to our panel and then
I'll say a word as the program itself begins again. And thank
you very much. You've done a very good job in the first stage
here of helping us to set the foundation and to deal with some
issues of identity. Our goal now, at the second and third
stages, is really to allow the discussion to become much more
free-wheeling. And please forgive me, with the lights and
all, sometimes I don't catch the signals that come from you.
So feel free to wave your card or scream and yell and we'll
try to get a chance to recognize everyone. But do feel free
to just jump in freely in the discussion as we go. And my
role, rather than to pull you by the reins will be, when
necessary, to perhaps rein things in just a...just a touch.
Yes, that's correct. And during the discussion, if you feel
jreal compelled to go to the mike, even if its not a point
where we've invited that, you may and we'll try to get to you
as quickly as we can, and then we will also provide an
opportunity at the end for audience participation at that
point.
Yes, Maryellen.

Lewis;

And I believe we may go on past

Blews

Yes. In fact, we may go closer to 12:30. Lunch is behind me.
We'll announce that again in the room next door.
We'll
announce that again at the appropriate time. At this point
then we'll return to the cameras.

slightly?

In the first stage of our session today, we've had really a
marvelous discussion about the identity of the nonprofit
sector and perhaps some lack of identity or some confusion
about identity. Who are we? What are we? What does that
matter in terms of the relationship between the 3 sectors -government, business and the nonprofit sector — that are
represented around this table before us?
At this point we're going to become a bit less structured in
our dialogue. We have here a panel of persons who are very
distinguished leaders and, certainly, feel very freely, as
they should, to speak their minds, and we're going to give
them the opportunity to do that in this next session, and then
in the third session.
Stage 2 of our discussion, though, deals with relationships.
The government/business/nonprofit partnership, the question of
whether there is such a partnership, whether there should be
such a partnership. How is it changing, particularly in these
difficult fiscal times and these difficult economic days?
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�What are the issues, the tensions and the ramifications?
Having talked about the identity...the identity of the
nonprofit sector, we now want to examine that in the context
of these very, very important relationships.
One of the people at our table here who certainly deals day in
and day out with that kind of relationship is Mr. Robert
Ivory/ the President of the United Way of Michigan. Mr.
Ivory, of course, is representing and serving through his
organization, serving community organizations. The nonprofit
sector, in its attempt to secure support and funding in
dealing in that process very closely with the business
community or the for-profit sector. Mr. Ivory/ how would you
assess the current relationship between the business community
and the nonprofit sector? Is it a good relationship? Is it
a bad relationship?
Ivory:

jEs this in the context of last night's NIGHTLINE? If you had
a chance to see that last night, you certainly saw some pros
and cons about the historical relationship between United Way
and the business community.
That has been a strong
relationship over the years. United Ways have had, in some
ways, a very well kept gift and benefit in terms of
philanthropy. In a sense, when you talk about both workplace
solicitation and payroll deduction, when you put those 2
things together, that yields, usually, people talk about that
being a 9 to 10 times yield over asking someone for an
individual gift at any given moment in time. So the notion of
having access to the workplace and to employees for
solicitation and coupling that with payroll deduction has been
a very strong element of the United Way system. It also is
incumbent upon United Way, in order to encourage that
relationship and to maintain that, is to take a look at the
trust that United Ways bring to the business community and to
the community at large. In terms of the package of services
that it brings to the workplace, and that has...therein is a
major controversy today within the United Way system, even
outside of &lt; the most recent news events about the national
president, there has been a major controversy within the
United Way system in the last 2 or 3 years around the whole
notion of choice and opening up the number of agencies that
are brought into the United Way system, into the workplace.
And that companies, and particularly again in the public
sector, have asked that the number of agencies, the number of
charities represented, for instance, in an organization like
United Way, in fact, not be limited to a few select
organizations but, in fact, be opened to a much broader base
of charitable organizations.
The phenomenon is in this
country as someone alluded to earlier that, in fact, we've had
just an explosion of nonprofits in this country since the
'60's. And there are more and more agencies who are looking
to the workplace, for instance, as the method of increasing
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�their funding. And so the pressure on United Ways today is,
"What type of package do you take to the workplace to have
continued credibility with the business community that you're
offering a product that, in fact, is not limited to a few
select agencies but, in fact, brings in a package of services
that meet the broadest ray of community good.
Its
interesting, in my view, one of the characteristics that
we. . .that make us somewhat invisible that we need to, in fact,
market is one of the hallmark characteristics of the nonprofit
sector is, in fact, the volunteer force. And I've always been
impressed to hear George Romney talk about that volunteer
commitment and the ownership, whether we talk about it as the
participatory principle of people becoming involved in our
community issues remains a major issue for United Ways to
continue working with the business community for that type of
leadership and commitment to some of the community issues.
So, in short, one of the things that's happening to us within
the United Way system is to continue to look at that
relationship that we have with the business community in terms
of presenting a package of services, a benefit that, in fact,
benefits a much broader community base than a few select
organizations.
Slews:

Mr. Cantrell, you...you represent volunteer agencies. Mr.
Ivory has talked about the important role of volunteer ism.
How does that relationship between the 3 sectors affect the
volunteer activity in this society?

Cantrell

It affects it in a very positive way. One of the things I
would like to address before answering your question is the
whole point of where human services, private sector, came from
— this whole idea of human services. It started with people
before we had any programs, any professionals, we had
volunteers who saw a problem and went out and tried to do
something to cure or aid in that particular situation. One of
the things I see that that whole pioneer spirit is somewhat
dying.
And its dying under the auspices of existing
organizations, often times, in that the volunteer sees a
problem and tries to bring their problem forward. There seems
to be now territories among agencies and if its working with
children, then you're touching upon some child serving
agencies.
If its dealing with the homeless, some existing
organizations see it. Whether or not they are behind that
particular attempt to start an organization or to carry some
-special type of service through has a profound impact on
whether or not that program will ever get off the ground. And
I see that dying in some of the communities I'm working with.
As people bring forth programs, they are actually being
smothered under the weight of existing programs who are going
to be. . .see them as contenders for dollars. And I just wanted
to bring that forth and so that's something we really need to
deal with.
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�I think in terms of the overall relationship from a corporate
standpoint, we hear often times corporations talking about
being a good corporate neighbor.
But often times when
confronted with, "What exactly do you mean by that and what
exactly. . .what type of activities will you involve yourself in
to...to prove that?" Often times, you'll get a...not the type
of answer you may be looking for. In terms of government, not
to be a complainer or anything but they tend to kill
creativity. One of the things that I see that is hurting
nonprofits right now is the fact that creativity is being
smothered under the weight of paperwork, under the weight of
restrictions and that type of thinq.l And I get a lot of
people in from Western Michigan University who are graduating
from the field of Social Work and they come in and they really
want to change the world. And its really nice to see that.
"I'm graduating next year. I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna
have an impact on this." To talk with those people a year
later or 2 years later and see that they've been...I'm
"thinking what's the right word I want here...what -i~
want.. .that they've been basically.. .all their creativity, all
their energy has been somewhat^ subdued and now put away. ••£•
think that's a big problem. (l think that we really need to
open up human services to the standpoint that when people come
in, if they have creative ideas, there is a forum for them to
bring those ideas forward. In cases where the true sense of
volunteer ism, which is going out and people helping people and
being able to identify a need and carrying that through rather
than going out and having to join an existing agency. One
other point. We talk about formal volunteerism and that's
working with agencies that exist. There's a large contingency
of informal volunteerism that goes on and that really needs
to be gauged more. And I know that's the invisible thing that
you were talking about, Mark. But we really need to find out
what is going on therej I know that churches are involved.
I know that in my community, just in my Block Clubs, all of
the things that they're doing to deal with crime and a lot of
other things that are going on. Its not being gauged and not
being seen as that overall system. I think a big part of the
activities are happening there. But to grow from a Block Club
to a new founded organization with funding is something that
doesn't occur very easily because of existing agencies. X We
need to figure out a way within this partnership to not only
create a network whereby these things...these issues can come
to a head and people can speak to them, but also an
-opportunity for those organizations to somehow have a survival
clause in there somewhere, that they may be pushed forward to
the point of developing and starting new agencies. And at
this time in our history, especially here in.Michigan, we need
that type of pioneer spirit more than ever! And I don't see
this being...

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�Blews:

Reactions to that. Jan?

Gallagher;

I'd like to talk for a minute about some national and state
trends that, I think, are going to affect the development of
government/business/nonprofit partnerships over the next 10
years. Its not, I think, going to be news to anybody in this
room, but I think it might be helpful to remind us all. The
President's budget proposal, factored out over the next 5
years, is projecting declines in federal spending for
for
education
and
training,
for
social
services
transportation, for community and regional development. The
only thing that's projected to grow in the President's budget
is medical care, federal spending for medical care. The most
recent, valid data on what's happening at the state level
comes from a mid-December survey by the National Conference of
State Legislatures. At that point, 30 states were receiving
less revenue than they needed to balance their budget. More
Jthan half the states were reporting expenditures for
entitlement programs or education or both at a higher rate
than budgeted.
There were very few state reserves left
because most of the states had spent them in 1991. There is
an increased demand for social services, and a lot of states
are cutting aid to local government as one way of balancing
their budgets. Its a terrible picture. But it also is going
to force substantial changes in how we deliver services, and
its going to force changes in the partnerships. There's not
going to be federal money.
There's not going to be state
money. It looks like there's not going to be local money in
the short run. Someone is going to have to pick up the slack,
and only nonprofit organizations are left. And that's going
to, I think, force nonprofits to do exactly the things that
Mr. Cantrell, I think, if I got the name from this.. .that's
right. . .was just talking about and that is find new approaches
to deliveries of services, to decategorize existing programs,
to look at innovative, creative, community-based solutions to
problems.

Blews:

Councilman Benavides, from a local government standpoint,
what's your reaction? Are you seeing the same trend occurring
there? And how do you see the partnership shaping up?

Benavides

Well, first of all I think that we have a tremendous job in
trying to educate government as to what our actually nonprofit
organizations are.
I see the...there is various types of
nonprofit.
In terms of services, those that provide the
traditional services that are commonly known to everyone, and
then there is the others that are non-traditional where we
take the people as we are. The problems, I think, that we
have sometimes when we try to get grants and things of that
kind, the first word that comes up is "duplication." You're
duplicating with so-and-so.
You're duplicating with this
other person. And what. . .what they need to know, they need to
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�get educated as to exactly what it is that that agency does
and why. And so that. . .it seems to me like this type of forum
has a tremendous job, along with us, to try to educate that
particular sector. I just wanted to say a little bit about
the United Way politics in terms of opening it up to everyone,
I've been an agency director for 22 years in Lansing and I
have seen many people come and go. And I know that at one
time we had like maybe no more than 10 or 15 agencies. Today
we got like 100. That's fine. The more, the merrier. I
think competition is good. I used to be a grocery clerk and
they used to tell me that the best thing to do is to have
someone across the street that would give you competition.
But, you know, one of the things that the designations, I
don't know that he mentioned it, the agency designation where
you designate who do you want that particular donation to go
to. I have been quite concerned about that. I got my numbers
from the local United Way and they were increased a little bit
^rom the last time. But I think, you know, that deep in the
living rooms or bedrooms or wherever these people are making
those decisions, there seem to be a tendency, if they don't
know anything about your agency, they don't know anything
about what you do, or they...they seem to designate that and
I can see a lot of these designations going to a block type of
agencies in this community. And I think that if, in fact,
we're gonna look at all of those as agency designations should
be one. Let me say that government, I think, that its always
has a tendency, and being an elected official for 10 years in
the City of Lansing, I 'm an advocate of human services. I
work for one and I truly believe that this is where we gotta
go. But I think, you know, we have the tendency to leave the
human services, to leave our drugs and crime and health
services to the United Way, to the foundations, to "let George
do it" type of attitude. I have always advocated that we need
to be responsible, that the city government, county
government, and state government needs to be responsible and
we need to set aside, just like we set aside for everything
else, we need to set aside dollars that are gonna go to
nonprofit organizations that are providing the services to
this community.
I have to believe that if we can educate 'em
and we can get 'em jobs and we can get 'em the help they need,
the whole economic and social quality of life in our community
will change.
Blews:

Dr. Mawby.

Mawby:

Well, I find it useful from time to time to remind myself of
sort of a fundamental interrelationship or interdependence of
these three sectors. That, in fact, the governmental and the
nonprofit sectors are fully dependent for their resources upon
the vitality, the success if you please, of the other sector - business. And its only as business is successful that
government can generate its resources. Its only as business
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�is successful that employees then have the where-with-all —
85 per cent or so of giving is by individuals. Its not by
corporations and its not by foundations, its by individuals.
And so the vitality, the success of all of society depends
upon that generating force. I was...And so public policy then
in effect decides how those resources are going to be
mobilized to serve the public good. We tax to do certain
things. And in those decisions, we can provide incentives or
disincentives for voluntary giving. And so as an individual
then, part of my contribution to society at large is through
the taxes I pay and part of it through the charity, the giving
sector. I was intrigued earlier when we had our flash cards,
how often the word "community" came up. And I've been in my
public remarks been talking about the 1990's as the decade of
the community, because it seems to me for several decades
we've been shifting responsibility to higher and higher
levels, to Lansing and then to Washington, saying that the
_federal government or the state government ought to do these
things.
I think society in this period now is becoming
somewhat disenchanted. We've poured massive resources into
governmental efforts and I think there's been some degree of
frustration and dissatisfaction with the consequences. And
increasingly I hear Washington saying about, "That's the
state's responsibility," and Lansing saying, "That's really,
you
know,
the
county,
the
city,
the
community's
responsibility."
Now there's going to be a very awkward
transition here in public policy of reallocating the resources
to do the job. But if that's the direction that American
society is really moving, then I subscribe fully to that
because I think at the community level we're able to respond
most effectively to community needs.
Then we've got an
awkward period of transition where responsibility is being
shifted, the resources have not yet been reallocated, but I
think it represents, again, that interrelationship of these 3
components of the larger picture.
Blews;

Mr. Hoffecker.

Hoffecker:

I. think that's an excellent point. The nonprofit sector can
do something that government and business can't do and that's,
in my opinion, react quickly to changing social needs. One of
my frustrations in government with one of the other hats that
I wear in the office is that we're always reacting to
something after the problem and the harm has occurred in
...that's in my efforts in the Consumer Protection area. Very
seldom are we fortunate enough to get people with enough
knowledge so they avoid the problem. The problem happens.
They come to government. Nonprofits are...can have the chance
to be proactive. Look ahead. Sense what's going on and then
try to deal with it.
Government and business can try to
facilitate that by allowing access to the workplace and
payroll deduction to fund programs, to guard against fraud in

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�going out and soliciting money and making information
available to potential donors. But, really, the...especially
in the current era, it strikes me that the most dynamic of the
3 dynamic forces we're talking about is the nonprofit area.
Aaron's work, the emphasis on getting people involved because
money. , .there's less money so you need. . .you can.. .you can
solve some of the money shortages with people power.. .the
social energy that I mentioned earlier, that our nation with
its cultural and racial and ethnic diversity, we just have all
this stuff going for us if we can somehow channel it into
doing public good that so many of us held up when we went
around with our word game.
Blews:

Mrs. Upjohn, you're both a business person, a business leader,
and a community leader. What do you think about this?

Upjohn:

Well, I support what you say very strongly because I think
that the nonprofit sector is the only game in town that can
take risks. We need new kinds of solutions for some of these
problems. We need more collaborative efforts where agencies
come together. Each of them may be doing what they do best,
and working together to bring social energy to the problems
that beset us. And for government its too ponderous and for
the business community it is really not their function. But
that's where our power and our ability to set the agenda
comes, I feel.

Blews:

We then do go to the question of who pays. And earlier in the
discussion there was a reference made to the fact that the
primary — the first responsibility of the business community
is to its employees and to their benefits and compensation.
And then, of course, there's the issue of shareholders in
large corporations. Mr. Roehrig, you represent a part of the
labor community. From your perspective, how should business
balance its obligation to its employees and does it have an
obligation to the broader community through the nonprofit
sector in the use of its resources?

Roehrig;

You've probably stuck upon the essence of a discussion I
assume we're going to have later on, it was mentioned earlier,
donor option and that entire...that...that phraseology that
seems to apply and have every nonprofit that goes into the
workplace and attempts to "solicit funding". That is one of
the major difficulties now on whether or not its appropriate
for everyone to be treated the same in their efforts. Is
there a special partnership for certain individuals, whether
they be groups of agencies or attractive agencies, that seem
to have the public concern at the present time such as funding
for AIDS, etc., to be specific? Do the employers, therefore,
have a responsibility to allow everyone the same opportunity
to solicit those funds? Or is there a mechanism internally
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�represent, is there another way that they should be involved,
they being the employees, to determine which agencies are
going to "stand outside the plant gate with a tin cup1*? And
that takes us, if I could take us into that, that's the
essence of business and labor and nonprofit having a coalition
many years ago to limit the number of solicitations. That was
the reason for putting together federations that would come in
and make one presentation at one time of the year. That's our
concern now as labor leaders in that we know our members and
our employees that we represent are good, community-based,
hard working individuals; but their budgets are stressed just
like every corporation and every business. Their difficulty
with buying bread and supplies and paying tuition and paying
for things for their children and their families is just as
difficult as corporate Michigan or corporate America to
balance its budget.
So when they're given the option to
contribute, if they' re beset upon by too many requests for
Donations, the tendency is to turn the set off and not listen
any more at all and don't contribute period.
And that's
...that's the complaint we're getting in our...as labor
individuals, that there is an increase in the number of
solicitations — both through direct contact and in the
workplace. And that creates a whole new set of problems for
us in our partnership with business and industry here in
Michigan.
Blews:

Reactions to that from the nonprofit sector.

Anderson:

I want to make a quick response, because I think it probably
raises one question that all of us ought to think about.
Knowing our options when you talk about that in the United
Way, for example, isn't really just a donor convenience.
Because if you feel strongly enough about the Detroit Urban
League or the Urban League, and we've had discussions
nationally, you could write a check directly to me and it will
be tax deductible and I don't need a third party to field that
money to me. So if you're talking about donor options, you
may really be talking about donor conveniences and I think
he's right, that you really just open up a Pandora's box and
have people inundated, because a lot of us get mail all the
time directly from people soliciting funds and then I see the
United Way, for example, and others who put out money as
people who really have taken some time to study what the
issues are and try to prioritize funding those needs in a
community, and not just letting it run all over the place. So
I would think that somehow or another, if you have all of a
sudden 300 entities seeking money in this corporation, you
really are talking about donor conveniences as opposed to
donor options.

Blews:

Mrs. Miller.

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Mr. Anderson?

�Miller:

I'd like to build on some things that everybody has said here
because I think when we're talking about donor options or
donor conveniences, we're talking. . .we're really talking about
a problem that I think we have across the board in terms of
looking at what Mrs. Upjohn said about collaboration, what Jan
said about creativity, what Mr. Mawby said about community, I
think we've got to look at cooperation, we've got to look at
communication, we've got to look at coordination, and they
can't be just nice little concepts that we sit here and talk
about on the table. I mean, we've got to go out and actively
pursue those relations and develop that communication so that
there isn't the inundation with donations, that there isn't
the duplication of services that someone mentioned.. .mentioned
here. I think that we've got to move...move forward because
in a time of limited resources, whether its limited resources
from the public sector or limited resources from the private
sector, we're talking about money.
But there's also
_information, there are also people. And I think we have to
begin to work together and I take this... I give you an example
in the public sector in what I do in the Ombudsman's Office.
I came in at the beginning of last year, and I won't give you
the whole long story. But in essence, what happened in our
office, we had to reprioritize, we had to refocus, we had to
down-size, and as a result of what we have done, we found a
new direction, a new purpose and a better service. And I
think this is what this time of limited resources is all about
in terms of both government, in terms of the nonprofits and in
terms of the business community. And alone we can't do it,
but together we have to come and do it and get it done. And
I think we're being forced to do it, because its the only way
we have to go now. The money's not there.

Blews:

Mr. Epolito.

Epolito:

Yeah, just very briefly, I think we've talked about a
partnership that does not exist. I think we're taking steps.
This is a fragmented conversation. However, this is the first
steps in trying to bring that together. I think that the one
thing that a partnership can do, and certainly the United Way
has proven this, is to set some priorities. On my desk in my
office sits about, I don't know, $15,000 or $20,000 worth of
requests for funding. We set up a Corporate Giving Committee
and as to where we're going to allocate our resources. At the
same time, our employees are inundated with requests and I
have everything from a $500 tuxedo affair evening for the
Humane Society to save dogs and cats, and I'm not criticizing
that because its a major priority for some people, but we have
people starving. We have homeless in the streets. We, as a
corporation, we, as individuals, have got to set some
priorities as to what's important to us in this society. So
I think this whole issue of what can the partnership do, if a
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�some leadership to setting some priorities and really get to
some of the bottom line issues and give some of the focus that
we're lacking.
Blews:

Good. And that's certainly is a function of this Forum today
as you note yourself. Mr. Yamanishi.

Yamanishi;

A comment was made about down-sizing. From the nonprofits'
perspective, there have never been adequate resources,
probably never will be, for all of the needs that we see.
There is...the problem that we...the way in which to address
problems, at least from my perspective, is not necessarily to
look at where the resources are but what kind of freedoms do
we have to address those resources, to address the problems
that are out there, and I don't see that. . .because of this
dynamic where we've at one time been closely associated with
government funds, and so then you get regulated to such a
jiegree, or if you start to, well, lobbying being one of those
issues where you start to advocate for a certain...for certain
perspectives, kind of choices that society ought to be making,
we get.. .there was a lot.. .there is a period in which that was
heavily prohibited from nonprofits from trying to advocate.
It seems to me that in order for nonprofits to be the dynamic
that I think that we have created a third sector in this
country, we have to be given some opportunity.
If there
aren't going to be enough resources, we ought to be given the
opportunity at least to think freely and to...and to feel
...and to define the problems and the issues out there. But,
unfortunately, what's happening is that we are being driven
and we are not driving. We are being told by the business
sector or by the government sector how we should form. I
mean, if you narrowed the opportunities for addressing raising
money, then you are narrowing the kind of opportunities
possibly that nonprofits can have to address issues as well.
So to me there needs to be the relationship between government
and business as one in which we need to provide more
opportunity and more freedom if its not going to be possible
to provide the resources to go with. We have to be given an
opportunity to express ourselves and we haven't been able to
do that.

Blews:

Dr. Clark, you bring a health
discussion.

Clark:

And I want to build on what was just said, because certainly
for the health care industry, and hospitals in particular, in
Michigan and the United States, this involvement between a
not-for-profit hospital and the governmental agencies that
both regulate and increasingly reimburse has been an uneasy
situation with tensions on both sides; and it certainly is not
getting any better.
If you put a little historical
perspective on it, the relationship was between hospitals and

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perspective

to the

�government, with business a distance away. That is changing
as well so that the triumvirate, as we are talking about it
here, is not becoming increasingly interrelated. And from the
hospitals' perspective, we function as nonprofit. At the same
time the government regulation is so extreme that the very
flexibility that we've all been talking about in meeting the
needs of the local community is increasingly removed from the
hospitals to be able to do that. At the same time, with the
shrinking reimbursement, both from the public sector and from
business, you have an increased constraint on what the
abilities are for any individual institution to meet those
needs — even at the best of times. I'd like to be able to
take the suggest ion that was made by Judy Mi 1 ler that this
Forum, and by Aaron, that this was exactly the time at which
we should be most inventive.
But I don't think I have a
tremendous amount of sense that that is going to occur in
health care as health care has come to be in the United States
jtoday.
If you consider, in Michigan, that besides being
nonprofit with all the things that that means, that in
addition to that there is over $400 million of care in charity
care that's given every year — over $1 million a day — and
that doesn't even count what's not being reimbursed by the
mandated federal and state programs. You are talking about a
situation where the squeeze is coming from both sides, and the
ability to respond to that in inventive and new ways is
shrinking as well because of governmental constraints and
regulations.
Blews:

Ms. Work.

Work:

I'd just like to say that it appears as though the nonprofits
have been given the mandate to take care of crucial problems
that are growing and that are not getting smaller, and that it
is truly a mandate without money. Now I understand, and we
have been hearing at New Detroit, that we must coordinate, we
must have collaborative efforts.
I agree with that and I
think the nonprofits have to coordinate and collaborate to the
best of their ability.
Then we hear no duplication of
services. Perhaps there should be some duplication in order
to cover all the problems, and I don't mean duplication that
is a bad thing, but how much do we come together and
collaborate and coordinate to the extent that we not
fulfilling our mandate and handling all of those problems out
there? Some duplication might be a good thing in order to
handle all of problems. It is a very tough mandate and I
agree with Herb, once again, we must be able to advocate,
perhaps, in order to get some more money, in order to handle
these problems that are growing, rather than going away. And
I know here we're talking about what exists now, but perhaps
we have to work also to try and change what exists, at least
as funding from the public sector, in order to handle
everything appropriately.
Right now we're pitting human
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�services and human needs against the arts. We're going to be
pitting more things against each other, I think, unless we
take a really good look at policy issues.
Blews:

Mr. Bianco.

Bianco:

The subject is coordination between the 3 sectors.
where we are?

Blews:

The subject is wherever we take it.

Bianco:

Before I mentioned that I did not think that during the Reagan
years or now even during the Bush years the federal government
is doing what it can to encourage activity in the, nonprofit
sector. When we heard the rhetoric in the early '80's that
the private sector must do more, individuals must do more, we
were reminded by Russ that the giving is largely by
^individuals. But yet during the Reagan Administration and the
tax reform as all of us in this room know, the whole itemized
deduction was taken away essentially for about 75 per cent of
tax filers. As far as I know, about 25 per cent of the people
itemize, somebody might back me up on that number. And so we
took the federal incentive to give. We took the policy that
said, "Its good to give. This is what we want to encourage
you to do it." Government is not going to stick its fingers
in the management of it, but we want to have the third sector
involved in this. So during the Reagan years, that was taken
away. To me, that was a complete inconsistency in the policy
of you want to encourage private sector support, and then on
the other hand you chop off their hand in terms of their
financial where-with-all. So I never did understand that even
though I'm a Republican and I voted twice for Reagan, I still
don't understand it. And I voted for Bush, too. And I'm
frustrated. Anyhow, you'd think I'd learn. And I voted for
some other Republicans in this state, too. Now, at the state
level, again I think we're doing the same thing. When we look
at our state tax policy, its a complete hodge podge as all of
us know, in terms of any kind of deductions for charitable
gifts. We say that if you give $400 as an individual or as a
couple, you can deduct $200. But its only $200 if you give to
public broadcasting or education or an art organization
attached to a municipality that has support of the arts,
whatever that is. It is a crazy pattern. We say its all
right for a corporation to take a $5,000 deduction for public
-broadcasting contributions
or $5,000 to a community
foundation. But if you give to a hospital or if you give to
an art museum and you're a corporation, you can't take that
$5,000 deduction. So to our legislative associates who are
here today, there was a lot of rhetoric last year in the
Legislature, but nobody every took a hold of this crazy-quilt
pattern. That's point number 1. Point number 2 on this is,
if there's going to be cooperation and if there is going to be
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Is that

�less governmental support in the '90's, then we need some more
help from the state government. Why shouldn't that deduction
be raised to $500 or $1,000?
Something that is truly
meaningful or begins to be meaningful. And then even having
done that, that's still not going to solve all the problems
that Jane just talked about in the health care. We know that.
But it could help a broad range of organizations. So those
are some of the kinds of things that both from a moral
persuasion point of view as well as a tax point of view, both
our state government and federal government could retrace
their steps and send the message out to this country that the
third sector is important to our democracy and to solving the
issues. And no substantive action is happening at the federal
level or the state level. There's a lot of rhetoric. There's
a lot of discussion.
But nobody's got a single piece of
legislation to correct those two problems, and I don't
understand that.
Blews:

Representative Bandstra.

Bandstra;

Yeah, I think you're right, that we do have a hodge podge
approach at the state level. I'm sure you're aware that we do
have a limited tax credit in place for community foundations
and part of the bill that reinvigorated that tax credit
specified that we want to do a study of the way other states
structure their tax incentives for charitable giving, so we
recognize the problem here in Lansing. I'm not saying that
we're definitely going to solve it in a fashion that will
please everybody in the room, but its certainly something we
ought to look at at the state level, so I would agree with
you.

Kosteva:

I go back to Joe's point that you raised much, much earlier
and that is answering the question of who delivers the results
the best.
If we would choose, if government makes the
conscious decision to, let's say, broaden the deductibility of
certain contributions, clearly that tax expenditure will cost
the state government, and we will be making the conscious
decision that Jan has talked about in terms of the extended
pressure that state government is facing. Lois mentioned
about the fact that we're pitting social services versus the
arts at the present time.
So if we make the conscious
decision to expand the deductions and the expenditures that
that can go for that will reduce the state dollars that will,
therefore, go to social services so we, therefore, will be
making the conscious decision that government has decided that
somebody else, the nonprofit sector, will deliver these
results better than the centralized state or federal
government will.
So I'm not certain if our society. . .our
collective society of whom Rick and I and others are
reflective of that as their representatives...have made that
decision. I think that...I think that they're pushing us in
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�that decision. They're pushing us toward the direction that
they don't think state government is...is delivering the
results very good for some of the reasons that Russ Mawby
talked about, what they're telling us with their tax message
that they don't want to see state government spending more
money or have more money available to spend for that and so
maybe they're pushing us in that direction. Its just a matter
of the evolutionary process for the leaders to tax to catch up
with their electors.
Blews:

Senator Sederburg, as a former legislator, what counsel would
you offer to this...this gauntlet that has been laid down for
the current Legislature?

Sederburg:

Well, I think we're in the midst of a rewriting of the social
contract in the state of Michigan. Michigan has a history and
a tradition similar to Wisconsin and Minnesota of a public
that wanted
public services
valued, a good public
infrastructure, liked high quality educational institutions,
liked to fund the arts, etc. But I think we may be in the
midst of a change of attitude and we may be moving more to an
Indiana - Ohio type of environment in which the public says
we're going to rely on the individual to make decisions and to
succeed individually and we're not going to look to government
to provide services, and I think that the public may be moving
away from the leadership of the state. And the people around
the panel and all of us probably on the bottom line feel that
the government really has a role to play in providing
leadership and providing some high level governmental services
that we can be proud of. Joe' s point in Europe, you go to
Europe and people are proud of the infrastructure of the
public buildings and the public transportation systems and the
public image is there.
I ran into a friend of mine from
Minneapolis the other day and we were talking about high taxes
in Minnesota, and he said, "Yeah, we have high taxes in
Minnesota but we' re proud of the park system and the road
system and the infrastructure that we have."
I'm afraid
that's changing in Michigan and the message that Jim Kosteva
and Rick Bandstra and others are getting from their public is
that they're facing economic pressures and we don't care about
public services as we're having such a difficult time making
it in our own family situation. And that's very frustrating
and I chuckle and mention a big pitch for tax credits, you
know, a lot of people believe these are tax expenditures.
That it is really just another way of the state giving direct
aid to the institutions, and its just going to drive the state
budget further into debt and accelerate this social rewriting
of the social contract. So I'm afraid that its going to be a
tough time ahead until the public really resolves in their own
minds the level of public services that they really want out
of the state government. I think the federal level has done
a tremendous disservice to us in Michigan in that the public
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�has gotten used to having their cake and eating it, too, and
just it on the credit card for the national debt. And so in
the same paper you can read about Congress passing a tax
reduction bill and at the same time talking about passing
mandatory health care insurance for everybody and it'll just
drive the national deficit further and higher and higher.
Well, we don't have that liberty at the state level, but the
public thinks we do. So the public is going to write to Jim
Kosteva and say, "Gee, we want money for the arts and we want
a tax cut next week, too, while you're at it." And they'll be
totally inconsistent to them because that's exactly what their
Congressmen are telling them that they're going to deliver in
the next election. They're going to give them national health
care insurance and they're going to cut their taxes. So why
can't we at the state level give money for the arts and cut
our taxes? Sounds reasonable to me and I'm going to write a
letter to the legislators.
Blews:

We'll provide the legislators' addresses to you.

Sederburg:

Very good.

Blews:

Shifting to a national perspective, Ms. Gallagher.

Gallagher:

Well, first let me assure you that Michigan is not alone in
having a confused approach to incentives, for charitable
giving.
I commend to all of you Virginia's sales tax
exemption system which is one of the most complicated I have
ever seen. But I'm disturbed by what I'm seeing around the
country as I monitor tax challenges to nonprofits. And what
I'm seeing goes back to what we were discussing in the first
part of the session which is a fundamental lack of identity
within the nonprofit sector.

Blews:

And now we're talking about tax challenges not tax incentives,
an important bridge in the conversation here.

Gallagher:

Well, let me bridge it a little better then.
I mean a
property tax exemption is an incentive. It's not an incentive
to charitable giving but its an incentive to the charitable
organization to carry out its purposes; similarly a sales tax
exemption I would put generally within that framework.

Blews:

Good.

Gallagher:

Two weeks ago, I'm told, the tax assessor's office for
Lincoln, Nebraska, was out with tape measures measuring the
square footage of every day care center in every church
basement in Lincoln.
The tax assessor was quoted in the
newspaper as saying, "Child care is not charitable unless its
free.
Further, child care is not a religious purpose."
Therefore, he apparently proposes to require all churches in

I've waited for a long time to do that.

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�Lincoln to pay a proportional share of the property tax on
that portion of the building that's devoted to child care.
The Lincoln newspaper, I'm further told, wrote an editorial
commending this fellow for his innovative and creative
approach to solving Lincoln's revenue problems.
I don't
understand this, except to say that people apparently don't —
aren't seeing the value in child care, the importance of child
care, the need for quality child care to preserve family
structures. We haven't talked yet about your fourth sector,
which I see as the family. The Alabama Legislature — House
of Delegates — I'm told, 2 weeks ago repealed... voted to
repeal all its charitable sales tax exemptions as part of a
restructuring, taking away what they viewed as unfair tax
benefits.
I believe that's going to be corrected in the
Alabama Senate, but I'm seeing the need for state revenue
driving, and for local revenue, driving some decisions that I
think are terribly unfortunate for the future of nonprofit
jDrganizations.
I'm seeing organizations forced to spend
substantial amounts of money to defend existing tax
exemptions, and I'm concerned about it. I'm also seeing on
the government/business/private partnership area a fundamental
exclusion of service delivery agencies from some of the
dialogue that's going on. I'm told there was a conference at
Wing Spread maybe a month or 6 weeks ago, I'm not sure, at
which government, including the Governor's Council of State
Policy Advisors
and business
leaders
and foundation
executives, sat down and talked about how to restructure
delivery systems. I'm told that deliverers of social services
were notable absent from that discussion. Another group that
I work with is trying an experiment in Virginia to renegotiate
the delivery system and when they went to talk to their state
funders, they were told basically, "Go away. You do what we
tell you. We don't want to hear what you think." I'm not
sure how to correct these identity problems. But I think that
if we don't address them pretty quickly, we're going to have
some serious problems over the next 10 years.
Blews:

Do we see those same kinds of identity problems producing
similar challenges in Michigan? Father Cunningham?

Cunningham:

Oh sure, but the not-for-profit organizations, the complete
spectrum of even to the point of antithesis...and I remember
when Focus Hope started, one of the things that bothered me
tremendously was people calling us an agency.
Because by
definition, an agency is something that does what other people
tell them to do. They act out of a contract to do something.
You see us, by nature, develop guidelines for those that get
their money and, therefore, they are U.C.S. agencies. That
relationship, while very
important maybe to certain
objectives, is the death knell of the not-for-profit, highly
voluntary, and what I should think of as the...those of you
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�the fish fly. He comes in there and gets under your car tires
and we crunch up several million billion of them every year.
I always used to think, "That's a good idea for not-for-profit
organizations. They guide themselves as fish flies. They
come get something done then get out of business." And then
good people like Dr. Mawby come along and say, "Hey, wait a
minute. We'd like to help you, but how long are you going to
be around? We're looking for some consistency." Right, Russ?
And we're looking...
Mawby:
Cunningham:

Positively.
So you need some institutional stuff. And there's a struggle
within an organization, both to be institutional and to be
free. And let me tell you, that's a stiff one. That's where
that small group of not-for-profits that are not agencies.
And for that group now comes the responsibility to take this
_business community over here and this government community on
the other side, who obviously have failed to do something or
there wouldn't be a purpose for the not-for-profit, and then
you go and say, "Its their fault, business, and its their
fault, government, that they don't know how important we are
to their destiny."
Well that's a crock.
Its the
responsibility of the not-for-profit organization to make
partnerships with government and with business and to draw
them along and to make some very important assumptions. The
business community has an ethic. Now they're crooks. There
are also crooks in the not-for-profit.
But they have an
ethic, and that ethic ought to be honored and respected, but
its an ethic, a kind of fence around their business practices
out of which they hope to become really rich and take care of
themselves. And that's acknowledged. There's nothing wrong
with that. And government, Eugene McCarthy made a good case
and its government's business is to maintain the morays, not
to establish morality, not to grab ideals. And after Thomas
Jefferson and all that stuff God laid to rest, the purpose of
government was to maintain the institution. The purpose of
the not-for-profit organization is to reach for the stars. To
reach for the moral possible in our time and then to integrate
that with the morays lifting them up inch by inch and with the
business community making them a little better, too, for the
common good.
Now comes this not-for-profit organization,
wimping and whining, "By God, this is hard work. " Well of
course it is. That's what you chose to set that at the helm.
And you stand up to yourself and if you're the captain of the
ship, you shouldn' t receive any pay.
"Why shouldn' t you
receive any pay as the captain?"
(This will make me very
popular.) "Why should not the captain of the ship receive any
pay?" Because he is inviting in all these volunteers. Come
follow me. And if he gets 75 grand a year, how can he ask all
these volunteers to come in and do for nothing what he' s
managing for a pretty handsome salary. We got a lot of stuff
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�here we've got to look at. And, finally, on a very positive
side, because I think we're in for some real great surprises
and while, Jane, you make some good projections there, I'll
bet you didn't even project what was going to happen in Europe
a year and a half ago either see. So that's nice. General
Motors has 5-year plans. Now, let's talk about projections.
You know we have an aging population in this country that's
pretty healthy, pretty healthy. And instead of those poor
folks sitting down there in their condo around the swimming
pool discussing in Florida, or Boca Raton to be specific, the
latest and the most effective laxatives. Why, and I got this
out of Dr. Frieden's paper, a nice, nice point, about
educating our people on giving. When are we going to tell
folks you've got to give back? When are we going to start
telling them, you've had a nice life — time to give back?
And to give back as a fine government representative. You
don't have to go out from GM and now become a consultant and
_make $500,000 a year. You've got enough to take care of you
for a while. Come on, give back. I had a guy come in the
other day and his wife finally said, convinced him last year,
time to give back. I have a major doer. He's in at 7:30
every morning, setting the discipline for the entire
organization because he's a good guy and wants to give back,
and he figures at 65 he's got 10 years to give back. We have
a tremendously developing population in this country of people
who've been around the block a few times who are our greatest
treasure. Come and give back! And we're sitting around here
discussing laws and a lot of other stuff. Frankly, I think
we've got to get busy as nonprofits and forgive our government
people and our business people because that's why we're here.
I have no criticism of government. I've told Joe for years he
was voting in the wrong party. He never pays any attention.
He comes here complaining today. My God. I've no government
criticism and I have no criticism of business. Good Lord,
they're on their backs. But I certainly think we've got, if
there's a partnership, it has to be their respect for the
nonprofits and getting out there and standing at the helm in
the storm.
Blews:

You strike upon an issue that Dr. Payton points out in his
paper that the voluntary tradition in this nation is, in fact,
a tradition and, therefore, it must be passed on. That it is
not...

Cunningham:

-...You bet!...

Blews:

...simply enough to assume that it will exist, that it
involves, as he says, the challenge to preserve and to
practice and to understand, to study, to be faithful, to
guard, and most importantly, to teach. And let's throw that
issue open there. Are we teaching new generations that
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�tradition, that value of volunteerism and nonprofit service?
Mrs. Upjohn.
Upjohn:

May I speak to that a little bit?

Blews:

Please.

Upjohn:

You know, I...as I told you initially, I come from the
volunteer community from station wagon driving, brownie
baking, car pooling, bandage rolling, well baby clinic, you
name it. And my kids were with me while I was doing that.
They knew that I spent the time that while I wasn't with them
and while they were safely in school, working in the
community. Today, in so many families where its necessary for
both parents to work, they may do volunteer service. They may
have all kinds of board commitments and they may be involved,
but their children don't know it. Their children have no idea
_that they really are making a contribution or that, as they
grow up, they need to give back. I think we have to have more
youth United Ways.
We have to have more involvement for
children and young people that go beyond selling Girl Scout
cookies but where children really understand what it means to
have the joy of giving. I couldn't support Dr. Payton's paper
more. I think that's a tremendously important aspect.

Blews:

We're really into the third stage of our discussion now. And
this panel did not need to be lead there. We're talking about
what do we do now for the future? Where do we go from here?
How do we build on if its worthy of being built on, this
tradition of the nonprofit sector, how do we create a
partnership that may or may not be a very good partnership at
this point or a very effective or as lively a partnership as
it should be? How do we go from here to address these issues?
What...What principles, what policies, what thoughts should
guide us as we do that. And Dr. Sederburg, I can tell you're
anxious to j ump in.

Sederburg;

I am because I just came from a state of the school speech
last night at our local school and the pitch of the
superintendent was the
white paper and the ending value
was a value on family and of community involvement. And I
just throw out as a beginning point of all this, I think that
we need to get a further discussion of values, both in the
school system and in government and in business as well. I
think we, perhaps, have gone through a period of time when
values haven't been talked about very clearly and have been
sort of shied away from. And I think that's a strength of the
nonprofit sector and is going to be critical from the schools
to everything to have a clarity of values. So and on our
local school districts, they set it up so the kids have to put
in community service time in middle school and in high school,

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�and I think that's a neat, neat thing to do. And it goes back
to the value system.
Slews:
Cantrell:

Mr. Cantrell.
Just like what Betty had said here about taking the kids
around and letting them see first hand the value and teach
that value. One of the big concerns right now in volunteerism
is, who is passing on those particular values to the kids now
that the parents are not there to do them?
Are day care
centers, in fact, passing those on? Are the school systems,
in fact, passing it on? One of the big problems I see today,
one of the hopes I see for the future, is the fact that the
schools are getting on board and they are starting to make
community service a part of the school experience, but not the
educational experience. And that's...that's the problem that
is out there right now. I know, in our community, kids are
jgoing out and they're doing things and they're not able to
come back and process what has happened.
In their little
mind, they're out there doing something and they are things
happening that they don't quite understand and if you don't
process that, it doesn't become a value. Experience in itself
is not a value. The value has to be passed on. I call upon
the school system to start to teach that value, but also to
take part in that educational process, that as an individual,
and adult individual or a child in this community, not only do
you take from it, you give back to it. And what is the value
of giving that back to? The whole idea of social insurance
that started volunteerism in this country, the whole bond
raising type of mentality is saying that, "There but by the
grace of God go I." And, "I'm one paycheck away from being
homeless." And the social insurance approach to that is to
say, "I will go out and help those people because one day,
when its my turn to receive help, someone will be there for
me." And until we start to instill that value... Right now
we're turning kids off. Okay? These kids are going out and
getting these experiences and not being processed. And not
only that but the agencies, sometimes, are having them do
things that a 12-year-old can't do much let's have them
vacuum. I'm sorry but there's not a lot of value that can be
gotten out of that unless you explain to that kid what the
overall agency purpose is and how vacuuming may be helping
them meet that goal in some way. But that experience has to
be related to the kids, and right now we're having them to do
-community service and they're not learning from it and a lot
of them are being turned off and I don't want it to be like
the first speech I ever did when I got into this field was to
a bunch of vets, and I said to them, "Volunteerism."
Uhhhhhhhhh. Every time I said "Volunteerism".
Urrrrrrrr.
And after it was over, I went up to the guy and I said, "God,
you know, what did I do wrong?" He said, "These are all World
War II vets. They learned the concept of volunteerism as, "I
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�need 3 volunteers — you, you and you — and they didn't come
back." Okay? So I learned right away that in certain circles
you use other words than volunteerism. Are we doing the same
thing with our kids now? Is the question. Are we saying to
them when they hear the word volunteerism out of adults
because of their experience in 9th grade or Kindergarten, are
they going to say, "Oh, no. Mr. Cantrell, don't come here
with that." And that's what we need to take a look at. We
need to process it. We need to start to institutionalize it.
We need to pass on that value that now both working parents
cannot pass on. And we need to start it in Kindergarten and
take it all the way through the educational experience.
Blews:

Our audience...

Cantrell:

Please...

Blews:

_. ..is anxious to jump in with us.

Bolhouse:

Yes, please. Thank you. Susan Bolhouse. I'm on the Board of
Education of Waverly Community Schools and also the Board of
Directors of the Michigan Association of School Boards which
is represented in your governing body. Urn, I was a little bit
sorry to see that education, K-12, was not represented on this
panel. And I was very pleased that Miss Gallagher repeatedly
mentioned children and education.
This point, up until 5
minutes ago I was getting quite frustrated because this
element of children and education seemed to have been
overlooked. I believe that all of your agencies, all of your
organizations do represent children, that you do have them,
you do work with them. Their good is at hand and in your
hearts. But you send them to us, the schools, school boards
and associations, to take care of. Jim Epolito is inherent in
at the moment.
But he said priorities.
In
continuing this discussion, I would like you to remember that
children need to be a priority, that when it comes to setting
money aside, robbing Peter to pay Paul, when you do take money
away from one agency, somehow please try to keep in mind that
the children, you've heard it before but it has never been
truer than today with budget cuts, children are our future.
And, yes, schools do need to teach volunteerism at home as
part of the curriculum whether its a graduation requirement or
not. As a School Board member, I feel that I pretty much
cover all 3 sectors as Dr. Payton pointed out.
But as a
-fourth sector, yes, indeed, its family, but as a fourth
sector, you can also take people such as myself who do work
through an elective process — I'm elected, I'm government.
Business, in essence, running a school district is business.
And then, as a volunteer, because $20 a month for 30 hours a
week of work doesn't really cut it. I mean, baby sitters, no
thank you. But please I'm here to urge you, in finalizing
this discussion, please do not take your eyes off the
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�children.
If you can't continue in building your Nonprofit
Forum to include children in getting involvement and interest
in business partnerships, please do. And as a representative
of the Michigan Association of School Boards, I know that we
have many, many school board members out there that we
represent who would love to walk hand in hand with you on the
local level and on the state level to bring these children, to
educate them, to give them the jobs that they need and that
you want to give them. Let us help you. Thank you.

Blews

Thank you. And be assured the Summit here is a representation
of various leadership and, of course, one deals with the
reality of scheduling, be assured that the Forum in its
representation does have very, very thorough representation of
the K-12 educational community, the community college level of
education and the higher education level, both public and
private. And your point is certainly well taken and we would
want to offer the assurance that the children are not being
forgotten and are recognized as one of the priorities when we
deal with the nonprofit sector. Dr. Mawby?

Mawby:

I think, as we think of the future, Father Bill spoke
eloquently to the potential of the seniors in society giving
back.
I think that's something we need to recognize and
capitalize on and some exciting things are happening of that
sort. The other end of the age spectrum is what we're talking
about here and I think that's equally important. Part of its
putting it into the academic world, for example, usually talks
about 2 sectors.
They talk about the for-profit business
sector and they talk about the public, tax supported sector,
and the rest is invisible. So to consciously put in to the
sequence from pre-K-12 all the way through in Social Studies,
in History, in Economics, and all aspects of life, this sector
would be useful.
But I think one of the most exciting
opportunities, you know one of the realities of the
contemporary society is that we have prolonged adolescence for
most young people into their mid-20's. They have far more
capacity and more motivation to be contributing, we as I guess
do-gooders, say well, they're the beneficiaries of so many
things.
We give them so few opportunities to assume
responsibility and to exercise responsibility. And one of the
great ways. . . I 'm not sure I'd like compulsory volunteerism.. .

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Mawby;

...That's an oxymoron...
. . .really, but required for graduation, I'm not sure about
that one. But I am sure that young people, and it goes before
the teenage years, are anxious to contribute, not always to be
the beneficiaries; and that requires real creativity. One of
the greatest challenges is to the school system itself,
because usually they don't let the students participate and
contribute. They're the recipients and the beneficiaries. So
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�it requires creativity and the life in the community. Schools
are an important part of that. But more hours are spent out
of school than in school in the life of every kid, so that
requires churches and all of the nonprofits, the community at
large, to be more creative in involving young people.
Blews;

And we haven't said a great deal about the churches today.
Sister Monica, would you like to help us with that very
important part of the nonprofit sector?

Kostielney:

Well, I think there are a few things that have been mentioned
that are fairly profound if we recognize the whole order of
what is going on in society. I think the dramatic economic
changes that are occurring, I think the shift in paradigms for
how we reach consensus and I think the lack of a moral
consensus in society is. . .those are all factors that bare upon
the relationship and, indeed, the 3 entities. I' think from the
-church's perspective, what I believe is lacking in society
that I think churches can really provide a locus for and that
is reflection before action.
I think there are so many
changes that are occurring that we need to understand and
think through and question and push us a little bit on the
edge. And what's needed for that is a profound reflection on
the realities that are baring on our lives and I think that
leads us, then, to question in new ways what is happening in
these 3 sectors. I think what drives.. .what drives each of
the...each of the sectors, for example, in government and the
other sectors are kind of dominated by their own resources —
by what can we do? I mean, government asked the question,
"What can we do with our. . .with these resources?" I think
business asks the same thing in terms of, "How do we move
forward?"
I mean, they're driven by technology, they're
driven by scientific advancement, they're driven by their own
mission. I think the question that the nonprofit and the
churches can ask is, and they're the only ones that have the
freedom to ask that is, "What ought we be doing?" Because
virtually we've come to a point in society, we can do anything
we want. I mean, my goodness, we can put a microbe on a gene
of a sheep to produce milk for $7,000 a gallon or I mean its
an absolutely, preposterous, what we can do in business and
industry. But what ought we be doing? That's the question
that's before the nonprofits. And what ought we be doing has
to be answered only in a reflective mode. Because I think
what that will do is take us out of this reductionist approach
t.hat we have and we're all mired in, is that the only way you
could have more is if I can have less. Now that. . .that...
that doesn't always make sense. There are some values that if
I give you a little more, I have a little more, too. I mean
it is only in very certain, specific areas, and I think people
in the arts, for example, really realize that; but I think
that we're so limited and sometimes constrained by the
parameters of only to give an answer, you know, be swift, sure
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�and wrong, and not even have asked the right question, because
we are constrained by, we have this much money, what are we
going to do with it? Its not the right question. And that's
where I think the nonprofit sector is really in response to a
whole different world view. What ought we be doing, and why
ought we be doing it? And if we turn to those areas of the
fourth sector, the family, I think if we look at the
environment where business has made significant profits from
us, I mean, and who owns it and how do we share that, we come
to some different understandings and we come to different
models for collaboration.
So I would hope that the church
would continue to be the space, the place, for reflection that
would help frame and fashion the debate and help move us to
new answers and new awareness.
Blews:

We really are at the point of starting now to move toward the
Board conclusion and I know that there are at least a couple
_of people who have very compelling remarks that they're
anxious to get onto the record. I think there was somebody
from the audience who'd like to comment.

Rosenbaum;

Yes. My name is Ren£ Rosenbaum. I'm a Research Associate
with the Julian Samora Research Institute at Michigan State
University. And I have a question that I hope will touch on
the relationship between cooperation between government,
business and the nonprofit sector, and also I think will touch
on the issue of public policy. The question is this: I've
seen the role of nonprofit organizations as promoters of
volunteerism and democracy.
In direct contradiction, we've
seen the role of nonprofit organizations, for the most part,
as helping maintain national...a national safety net. It
seems to me that seeing nonprofit organizations as promoters
of volunteerism and coopera...and democracy implies less
government and less business assistance and funding, while
seeing nonprofit organizations as maintaining a national
safety net requires more government and more business funding.
If people from the panel could respond to that please.

Blews:

Quite a question.

Cantre11:

I don't know if this is the response. Former Governor George
Romney has said in many instances that he has every confidence
in the American people because there are more people than
problems, and all we have to do is empower the people to deal
with the problems. I think that when you take a look at human
service agencies, you are looking at both of those aspects and
we can't...we can't escape those. In one sense, and we are
all aware in human services of the ebb and flow of monies,
okay, and what happens and you see this typical process time
and time again.
When there's a lot of money there, the
professionals rush in.
We fill ourselves and all of our
offices with professionals and then the money rushes out and

Mr. Cantrell?

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�we run out and get volunteers from schools like people like
yourself, as student interns, and they fill those same
offices. One of the things that happens, though, is...the
people, the volunteer managers, will go about filling those
offices. The administrators will run out and start screaming
and hollering about the money that is not there any more. I
think one of the things we're going to always need that.
We're going to always need government and business monies and
support to maintain that safety net, but at the same time
we're maintaining a second safety net and that is that whole
pioneer spirit.
I know when I was in...in....in...grade
school I said things like, "That good old American know-how,
Yankee ingenuity."
I never knew what it meant, but I was
American and wow, I got this somehow and it gave me confidence
to go out and do things because, wow, somehow because I
happened to be born here, I have something special. Okay? I
don't see that specialness there any more. Okay? In terms of
jthe volunteers.
In terms of administrators, I see them
looking only in one direction, that is towards funding, and so
goes the funding, so goes our operations and our agencies.
And what we need to have is we need to have a marriage of
those two and both of have to be seen as equally.. .equal
partners in that whole relationship. Volunteers, except for
the Board of Directors who are treated quite well with dinners
and everything else, but your direct service volunteers are
treated like third-class citizens often times. You need both
of those. So in terms of that we'll never escape that, I
think that its necessary, but we're maintaining 2 things here.
We're maintaining that safety net for people who need it,
we're also maintaining a volunteer spirit that if we every
lose it in this country, everything will tumble right along
with it. And we're not putting any emphasis on that volunteer
spirit at all to the standpoint that we need to. I go up to
Western and I talk to professors up there and I tell them, "It
is impossible for any one to graduate from your university and
not serve on a board or be a volunteer. It is impossible for
anyone to be an educator or a social worker or a hospital
administrator and not incorporate volunteers. And yet you
dpn't teach the concept to them." When go out, they know how
to manage people that are paid, but they have not idea how to
manage that second element, and look at the agencies. Right
now, for every paid person in an agency, there are at least
50, minimally 50, unpaid people. And yet we only take a look
at how to manage those...that small percentage, instead of how
to vastly empower and manage that other part. And I don't
know if that touches on your question, but I needed to say
that.
Blews:

Mr. Yamanishi.

Yamanishi:

Nonprofit organizations began with the concept of charity.
Father Cunningham subscribes to the idea of giving without any
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�compensation or expectation of compensation of any kind,
giving of oneself or giving of money and never expecting
anything to come back. We've evolved in this process now to
where we are today. I don't know that we want to go back to
that concept as nonprofit organizations because the problems
are much too large and huge.
But I think we 're at a
crossroads where we need to just as nonprofits need to
reconsider, "What is the proper role for nonprofits?*' And
when we define that, we define what kind of organizations are
nonprofits as well. You know, whether a public education
system is considered a nonprofit, charitable organization or
not, whether they get the same kind of tax incentives,
whatever, as. . .as other nonprofit human service organizations.
These are the kinds of issues we're going to be tussling with
at this point. And I think that's where we are now. We're
going to have to reconsider our role...proper role...in
society and we shouldn't be driven by desires of politicians
pr by business. We need to take the initiative and start to
define our role for ourselves so that we can help improve the
quality of life in America.
Blews:

Mr. Bianco.

Bianco:

First of all, responding to the question from the audience, it
seems to me that the safety net provided by the nonprofit
sector has its limits. It seems to me that when you begin to
talk about whatever the number is these days, 35 million
without any health care insurance, and you begin to talk about
bridges collapsing and roads falling apart, its very hard for
me to really see that no matter how creative we get or how
many volunteers we get, its very hard for me to see issues
like that being fully, fully addressed simply within the third
sector without substantial financial resources. And I'm sure
there are others around the room that can think of other
issues like that where the safety net issue, in my opinion,
cannot, in the short term — short term in this case being
defined as the next 5 to 10 years as I see the short term —
be provided by the...by the...by the third sector. So the
issue then becomes, is it governmental resources or is it no
resources? Is the problem simply going to be tolerated as it
is tolerated, as you well know, in many other countries of
this world, and some who do have economic resources. And I
think that would be totally contradictory to the spirit we've
talked about here today that's embodied, we hope, in the
American conscience, of caring a whole lot about their
neighbor and not wanting to see suffering and so forth.
So...so clearly we've got those kind of issues that I don't
think are going to be fully handled by the third sector. Now,
27 years ago, when my wife and I got married, we came back to
Michigan and we went to a church retreat the first month we
were back. And it turned out that the individual giving the
retreat is now sitting down the table there. And our lives
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�were never the same after we got through with Father Bill
Cunningham's weekend retreat. And he's still on my case as
you can see. But I'm not going to let him go. I think one of
the challenges that the nonprofit also has is a credibility
challenge, and its not just what Father Bill says about all of
us working for free which may work for him — God takes care
of him, you know — Kroger sort of takes care of us and God
helps out sometimes. But I think one of the challenges that
all of us have is the credibility of our third sector or
nonprofit organizations.
I' 11 never forget when I was
considering leaving Dayton/Hudson Corporation and I talked to
several people and I said, "Gee, should I really do this?
Does this make sense to you?"
Several people, basically
business and professional people, said, "Oh, God, Joe. Don't
go out to that Detroit Institute of Arts. Don't go to work in
a nonprofit organization.
You're going to lose all your
management skills. You're going to get caught in the most
_God-awful politics and nonproductive activity that you've ever
seen in your life. Just stay away. Don't do it." I would
assert that if you talked to most business executives, and
although Peter Drucker's certainly helping us all out a great
deal these days in his nice artic les, but I suspect if you
talked to most business executives, they would assume that
people who work in nonprofit organizations may have great
spiritual qualities, may have great caring qualities, but I
suspect at least their mind set would be that most of us are
not very good managers. So I think the credibility issue for
us is how do we forcefully demonstrate financial integrity,
management strength, as third sector people, to get the
respect
of people
like
Representative
Bandstra and
Representative Kosteva and other people who, even in the
governmental sector, will have that question and that
accountability.
So I think we've got a lot of work to do
there to demonstrate our management competence and our
financial capabilities and I don't mean fund raising, I mean
accountability. Never losing sight, of course, of what Father
Cunningham and Sister Monica and others have said, that we, in
the process of doing that have a balance in our organizations
so we never lose sight of the caring mission and the soaring
to the stars, as Father Bill said. But as we soar to the
stars, we should have our audit in our pocket and we should
have a good, tight organization.
Blews:

With that, Dr. Payton, you helped to start this whole
discussion. Can you help us to come to a conclusion?

Payton:

Well, I'm a. . .any of you ever heard of Meyer's break
personality type indicators, I'm an ENPP and I don't like to
come to closure on these things. I don't believe in closure
on open-ended, problematic questions of the kind we're talking
about.
In fact, I think its a real mistake to think that
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�trying to talk over. I said in the paper, and listening to
all of you this morning, I'm persuaded that to restate what I
said in the paper, mission is the key. But my understanding
of that has been expanded and, I think, enlightened by some of
the things that I've heard here.
As you recall, my opening remarks I mentioned what somebody
called the "U.S.S.Were" — Russia — the society facing
problems that, I think, make our's appear to be...make our
concerns appear to be self-indulgent.
Very, very grave
problems. Bill Sederburg captured, in a sense, what...what I
think they face and that I think we face when we start with
the notion of mission and we think about mission in the larger
sense.
When he used the phrase, rewriting the social
contract, that kind of language is being used more widely all
the time these days.
_I tried to think about, as I heard that, the efforts to
rewrite the social contract.
It has taken place in my
lifetime. Two of them are symbolized in the most familiar way
by political figures, the first being Franklin Roosevelt and
the second being Ronald Reagan. Alternative views, if you
will, of the social contract.
But there have been other
periods, and one that particularly relates to what we're
talking about here is the nonprofit sector. A hundred years
ago, give or take a few decades, modern American philanthropy
emerged in its present, general, third sector shape. There
were things like charity organization societies founded,
beginning to be founded, shortly after the Civil War. That
same period where we first saw the emergency of great
philanthropists of the kind of George Peabody and later
Carnegie and Rockefeller. It was at the period when Jane
Adams founded Hull House, which is the best known symbol of
the whole neighborhood settlement movement. It was the same
period when the genius created the first model of...models of
the United Way, one a Jewish federation in Boston and another
the effort which failed at the time in Denver. A period when
Rockefeller and Carnegie, faced with the really terrible
frustration of trying to use their wealth responsibly, found
that they didn't have the instruments to do that. And Mr.
Rockefeller set some of his associates to work at the task
that lead to the creation of the model, an American invention,
the model of the philanthropic, general purpose philanthropic
grand-making foundation of which the Kellogg Foundation is one
of the largest and best known.
By the way, I have to... I have to do this for John D.
Rockefeller, who is known as such an austere person. His
advisors came back and they told him about creating this
foundation that would exist in perpetuity and Mr. Rockefeller
is supposed to have said, "Perpetuity is a very long time."

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�If we look at the period, say from 1870 to 1930 the latter
period showing the emergence of the community foundation and
a variety of other things, we look at a period when people
like us were extraordinarily innovative, creative, risktaking, bold, imaginative, all those good wonderful things
that we admire when we see it. And the challenge to us, it
seems to me, if we are talking about rewriting the social
contract, rethinking this, and if mission is the key, it means
we really should think through what this fundamental mission
is.
And we can't just think about the third sector. We have to do
it in the context of all 3. If we're an American democracy
anything remotely like the one that we've all known and loved,
then we will continue to be a 3 sector society. So we've got
to call business to task in examining its place in this 3
sector society as well as government, as well as the sector
that we've been trying to focus on here today. We have an
opportunity, I think, in this process/ to be as creative and
important and honorable to our mission, passing on this
tradition that we've inherited —
an opportunity of
exceptional importance.
The next 20 years, I am told, will see the largest transfer of
wealth from one generation to another, not only in the history
of this country but probably in the history of the world.
Estimated numbers don't sound authentic in the mouth of a
humanist like myself, estimates ranging from $3 to $7 trillion
dollars. So although we've got lots of economic problems,
don't you believe that we are not a wealthy society, that
there isn't money to do things. That's not our problem. But
it is a very serious question of what those resources will be
used for and I think that's part of what will come out of our
participation in this rewriting of the social contract.
Blews:

In that spirit, not of closure but and not of an ending but of
really of a beginning, I'd like to suggest that the panel take
a vote here, and since there are several Legislators here,
this seems an appropriate thing to do, how many of you would
be in favor of continuing this kind of summit and this kind of
dialogue into the future? All in favor say "Aye.M

All:

"Aye "

Blews:

Opposed?
I think that speaks rather emphatically to our
commitment today to really a new beginning and a new
partnership.
We do, on behalf of the Michigan Nonprofit
Forum, want to express a very, very special thank you to each
of the panelists, each of you leaders from business, from
government, from the nonprofit sector, for the very, very
thoughtful contributions that you have made to the dialogue
here. We talked about partnerships, and it simply should be

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�noted here that a commitment to partnership is reflected in
the presence by each of these individuals here today. They
could have been many other places. There were many other
demands on their calendars. They made a personal commitment.
In a sense, they and their organizations made a fiscal
commitment by committing the resource, the value of their
time, to be here with us. And so we do want to thank each of
you for your commitment to this beginning partnership. We
hope that those of you who have listened in and looked in have
found this to be a stimulating discussion, have found it to be
a thoughtful discussion, and we hope that in your
organizations and in your activities around this state and
throughout our society, that this will also lead you to new
challenges and to new opportunities for partnership.
Thank you.
Lewis:

Maryellen?

_Now I have the camera. So I'd like to also thank all of you.
I think that it was an extraordinary conversation
hearing from the Michigan Nonprofit Forum, you have certainly
laid down and agenda for us. I'd like to invite you all who
are able to stay to join us for lunch in the adjoining room.
Also, in your packets, there is a pink sheet. We would really
appreciate your comments, because this is the beginning of a
continuing conversation. So if you could add your thoughts,
your suggestions to these sheets and simply leave them on your
chair, or if you'd like to send them in at another time.
Thank you.
(End of Summit —

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MICIDGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICIDGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An alliance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

January 24, 1992

MEMORANDUM
TO: Planning Group for the First MNF Summit (February 28, 1992)
FROM: Maryellen Lewis
SUBJECT: Update

I hope your holidays were relaxing and your new year full of promise!
We have made much progress on the Summit since our December 19 meeting.
Despite the holiday season, we received many additional nominations for the panel from
MNF Board members and others. It became clear that we had many more candidates in our
top priority list than we could accommodate in 15 chairs!
Ed Blews, Russ Mawby and I began issuing invitations from -the expanded list,
keeping in mind the issues of balance and representation you all emphasized. It promises to
be a strong, dynamic panel!
We still need your additional recommendations in a few areas. I attach a
questionnaire asking for your best advice, and hope you will fax it back as soon as possible.

encl: Questionnaire
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�MICIDGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICIDGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An alliance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

Recommendations for Panelists
for the
February 28 l\1NF Summit
PLEASE INCLUDE ADDRESSES AND PHONE NUMBERS
1. These people should be considered TOP PRIORITY CANDIDATES for this discussion
of the changing role of Michigan's nonprofit sector in relation to government and business.
They are articulate but also balanced, and would contribute greatly to an enlightening
dialogue.

a. NONPROFIT LEADERS:

b. GOVERNMENT LEADERS:

c. BUSINESS LEADERS :

2. These are top-notch minority leaders [including names listed above] I nominate:

3. These are top-notch women leaders [including names listed above] I nominate:

4. These are outstate leaders in business and the nonprofit sector who should also be
considered [including names listed above] :

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"Partnerships for People and Progress:
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Audience Members
Ms. Susan Bolhouse
Vice President
Waverly Board of Education

Mr. William Dansby
Executive Vice President
Michigan Optometric Association

Mr. Paul Booden
Director
Michigan Health Occupations

Mr. Arthur Dudley
President
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Judge Thomas E. Brennan
President
Thomas M. Cooley Law School

Mr. David 0. Egner
Executive Assistant to the Chainnan
W.K. Kellogg Foundation

Dr. Christopher M. Clark
Professor of Education
Michigan State University

Mr. David Fukuzawa
Program Director
The Skillman Foundation

Ms. Donna M. Clarke
Administrative Assistant
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Ms. Barbara K. Goldman
Office of Ombudsman
Department of Commerce

Dr. Kenneth E. Corey
Dean, College of Science
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Mr. James Helmrich
Public Relations Director
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Mr. Justin P. King
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Ms. Frances Parker
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Ms. Sharon Parks
Senior Research Associate
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Mr. W. Calvin Patterson
Executive Director
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Ms. Linda Patterson
Administrative Director
Council of Michigan Foundations
Ms. Helen C. Philpott
Chairman
Community Foundation of Greater Flint
Ms. Sharon Radtke
Executive Director
Voluntary Action Center of
Greater Lansing

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34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, :MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327

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"Partnerships for Peopk and Progress:
The Nonprofit Sector's Evolving Relationship with
Michigan's Government and Business Community"
Audience Members
Ms. Susan Bolhouse
Vice President
Waverly Board of Education

Mr. William Dansby
Executive Vice President
Michigan Optometric Association

Mr. Paul Booden
Director
Michigan Health Occupations

Mr. Arthur Dudley
President
Greater Lansing Urban League

Judge Thomas E. Brennan
President
Thomas M. Cooley Law School

Mr. David 0. Egner
Executive Assistant to the Chainnan
W .K. Kellogg Foundation

Dr. Christopher M. Clark
Professor of Education
Michigan State University

Mr. David Fukuzawa
Program Director
The Skillman Foundation

Ms. Donna M. Clarke
Administrative Assistant
Michigan Nonprofit Forum

Ms. Barbara K. Goldman
Office of Ombudsman
Department of Commerce

Dr. Kenneth E. Corey
Dean, College of Science
Michigan State University

Mr. James Helmrich
Public Relations Director
Michigan Bell Telephone Company

�Ms. Dorothy A. Johnson
President
Council of Michigan Foundations

Ms. Judith A. Rapanos
Chairman
MI Council for Arts &amp; Cultural Affairs

Mr. Justin P. King
Executive Director
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Dr. Rene Rosenbaum
Research Associate
Julian Samora Research Institute

Mr. Glenn F. Kossick
Executive Director
Metro Health Foundation

Dr. Glenn R. Stevens
Executive Director
Presidents Council,
State Universities of Michigan

Mr. Forrest Lewis
CPA
Plante &amp; Moran

Mrs. Maryann Tillson
Administrative Secretary
Michigan Nonprofit Forum

Mr. Robert S. Lewis
Consultant
Lewis Associates

Rev. Leonard M. Young
Michigan Region President
RLDS Church

Ms. Frances Parker
President
League of Women Voters of Michigan
Ms. Sharon Parks
Senior Research Associate
Michigan League for Human Services
Mr. W. Calvin Patterson
Executive Director
McGregor Fund

Ms. Linda Patterson
Administrative Director
Council of Michigan Foundations
Ms. Helen C. Philpott
Chairman
Community Foundation of Greater Flint
Ms. Sharon Radtke
Executive Director
Voluntary Action Center of
Greater Lansing

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"Partnerships for People and Progress:
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Ms. Susan Bolhouse
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Waverly Board of Education

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Michigan Health Occupations

Mr. Arthur Dudley
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W.K. Kellogg Foundation

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Michigan State University

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Program Director
The Skillman Foundation

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Michigan Nonprofit Forum

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                    <text>MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
MEMBERSHIP APPLICATION
"An alliance to promote philanthropy, voluntarism,
and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in the state."

The Michigan Nonprofit Forum is a statewide alliance which serves as a
clearinghouse for addressing issues of importance to the nonprofit sector.
•It convenes groups of leaders to plan and act together.
•ft works with policymakers, the public, and news media to promote a better
understanding of how the nonprofit sector works and why it is so important
•It issues periodic "public policy alerts" and position papers.
•It convenes the annual Grantmakers/Grantseekers Seminar.
•It holds biannual nonprofit public policy summits.
•It promotes voluntarism throughout the state.
•It stimulates and disseminates research on the nonprofit sector.
•It publishes a timely newsletter focusing on nonprofit sector issues.
Join now and receive a free copy of The State of Nonprofit Michigan 1991 and a
free lifetime subscription to Community Jobs, a national listing of nonprofit jobs.
For more information call; S17/3S3-S038.
Please enroll me/my organization at an associate member of the Michigan Nonprofit Forum.
(SSO Membership include* discounts and reduced conference feet as well as the newsletter and Updates.)
_I wish to support this important work with my contribution of $
•Honorary Donors
$500 or more.
•Sustaining Donors
$250 - 499.
•Sponsoring Donors
$100 - 249.

.

_My organization is a network of people/agencies, and we want to become active in MNFs work.
Please contact me with information about how we can join as NETWORK ASSOCIATES!

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�RESOURCES AVAILABLE FROM THE MICHIGAN NONPROFIT FORUM
Michigan Nonprofit Resource Directory, in collaboration with Accounting Aid Society
(forthcoming)

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MNF Issues Papers f$5.00 for members. $8.00 for nonmembersl
#1

"Collaboration for a Shared Future," James A. Joseph, Council on Foundations.

#2

Report from Policy Summit I, "Partnership for People and Progress: the Nonprofit
Sector's Evolving Relationship with Mi Government and Business Community".

#3

'Living Our Mission: Meeting Our Publics' Needs,"
Children's Defense Fund.

#4

"The Changing Face of Michigan's Nonprofit Sector: Lessons from New Research,"
Mark I. Wilson, Director, Nonprofit Michigan Project (forthcoming).

#5

"Towarda Michigan White Paper on the Nonprofit Sector,"
Consultant Independent Sector.

Marian Wright Edelman, President,

Janne G. Gallagher,

Audio Tapes ($9.00 for members. $12.00 for nonmembers)
—.—

"Collaboration fora Shared Future," James A. Joseph, President, Council on Foundations.
"Demographics: Tools to Prepare for Michigan's Future Today," Harold (Bud) Hodgkinson,
Director, Center for Demographic Policy, Institute for Educational Leadership.
"Planning That Works: Long Range Strategic Planning for Nonprofits," Florence L. Green,
President, Nonprofit Management Association and Bd Member, California Assn of Nonprofits.
"Collaboration: Process and Pitfalls," Florence L. Green, President, Nonprofit Management
Association and Board Member, California Association of Nonprofits.

Audio tapes from the April 24. 1992 Grantmakers/Grantseekers Seminar
($9 each for members/$35 for five; $12 each for nonmembers/$50 for five)
Opening Session: "Living Our Mission: Meeting Our Publics' Needs" -~ Marian Wright Edelman,
President, Children's Defense Fund
"Collaboration and Appropriate Mergers' - Florence Green, President, California Association of
Nonprofits and Board Member, Nonprofit Management Association
"Shaking the Money Tree: What Motivates the Large Gift?" -- Jerold Panas, CEO, Panas,
Young &amp; Partners, Inc.
"Innovative Income Generation" -- Florence L. Green, President, California Association of
Nonprofits and Board Member, Nonprofit Management Association
"Becoming a Player: Advocating Your Cause and Getting Results" -- Alliance for Justice,
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                    <text>Michigan Nonprofit Forum
Evaluation

Report

July 1992

Prepared by:
Christopher M. Clark

�Michigan Nonprofit Forum
Evaluation Report

Christopher M. Clark
Introduction
I am here today to tell you a story. It is a story of people and ideas, hopes and concerns,
and about your vision of a stronger nonprofit sector for Michigan. In a sense, I have become a
biographer of the Michigan Nonprofit Forum, or a portrait artist, trying to capture a faithful
likeness. I hope that you recognize the Forum in this story. I mean the word "recognize" in two
senses: first, that you agree that my representation appears fair and faithful to your own images
of the Forum; and second, that this evaluation report moves you to think differently about, to re
cognize the Forum, in the service of a collective and evolving vision of what the Forum will
become. In other words, this is your story, with a beginning and a middle, to which you get to
add and enact the continuing chapters.
Evaluation

Approach

This is a somewhat unconventional approach to evaluation. Classic program and project
evaluation designs evolved from behavioral science approaches to research on schooling and
industrial psychologists' ways of describing and analyzing factory production systems. In both
traditions, the heart of the evaluation process is definition and measurement of input variables
and output variables. The underlying metaphor is that of an efficiently operating, well designed
machine. When output was judged to be at favorable levels of quantity and quality, with
acceptable and sustainable levels of input, the evaluation was favorable. But when the system
was found to be burning too much oil or producing graduates who could not read, the evaluation
could lead to suggestions for redesign or even scrapping the system.
For several reasons, this classic approach did not seem to be a good match for evaluation
of the Forum. The Michigan Nonprofit Forum does not fit comfortably into the factory metaphor.
The Forum is not a production system, any more than a family is, or a good conversation among
friends. Now, I suppose that an economist could force the family into a factory, model, producing
wage earners, tax payers, and consumers. But when I imagine a particularly family, say, my
family, evaluated in this way, the model misses the mark. The essence of a family or a
conversation or of the Forum is badly distorted or lost entirely by reducing it to a list of inputs
and outputs.
Coming to an understanding of the Forum presented me with special challenges. The
Forum is busy inventing itself as it goes. It is a dynamic set of ideas, people, activities and
relationships. Its history is brief, and there were no prior examples of evaluation for me to
follow. Much of the Forum's mission is rather abstract and invisible. Its members are strong,
intelligent, busy, diverse, and all accustomed to being in charge. And the Fourm is hardly
anyone's full time preoccupation. These qualities make evaluation challenging and they make
evaluation interesting.
So what I have done is to assemble a portrait of the first years of the Michigan Nonprofit

�Forum, using your words and images to describe and take the vital signs of the organization.
These words come from my synthesis of fifteen interviews of past and present Trustees and
committee members and of the returns from a mail survey sent to forty members and interested
and knowledgable parties. Basically, I asked five questions in the interviews and
survey—questions about the historical past, the present, and about the possible futures of the
Forum. In listening to you, and in assembling this mosaic, I have learned much more than the
answers to these five questions. Thank you again for your frankness, patience, and generosity
with your time. I hope that what I give back to you here provides both satisfaction and food for
thought and deliberation as the Forum moves into its critical third year.

Results
Before I report the details of your answers to the five big evaluation questions let me
briefly sketch my overall impression of the state of the Forum. The Forum is a good idea whose
time has come. As one of the founding members said, "If the Forum closed down today, it would
have to be reinvented tomorrow." For many long time laborers and leaders in the nonprofit
sector, the cross-sector connections, conversations and projects are a breath of fresh air and
offer the promise of solidarity at a time when we need all the mutual support we can provide one
another. Many of you are impressed with how much the Forum has accomplished in its first two
years. I also heard some concern that these first years may be a hard act to follow, because our
small and dedicated staff and a few key committee chairs have been working at a pace that may be
unreasonable to sustain. For this reason and others, many of you see the Forum at a crucial
juncture. The time of getting organized and the excitement of doing something novel should now
yeild to a period of sharper focus on doing a few things well, on expanding Forum membership
and assistance to more local levels, and on securing continuing financial support from multiple
sources. The membership seems genuinely proud to be connected with the Forum and also
concerned about the challenges to achieving a balance that can be sustained for the long term.
Question 1. Have we actually created a Michigan Nonprofit Forum? To what extent does it live
up to our original hopes and vision?
The first part of this question is easy to answer "yes." The Michigan Nonprofit Forum
does indeed exist. The Forum has a staff, an office, a letterhead, a budget, a newsletter, and a
telephone. The Forum has members and Trustees and committees who meet and deliberate and act
and decide and, by and large, are pleased that the Forum exists, and proud that Michigan is the
first state to create such an organization. The Forum has sponsored important activities like the
Summit that would not otherwise have happened, and has become a key partner in other
activities valuable to the nonprofit sector such as the Grantmakers-Grantseekers Seminars and
the Campaign for Volunteerism.
To what extent does the Forum live up to the hopes and visions of four or five years ago,
when it was a new idea emerging from conversations among a handful of visionaries? The
answer is mixed. Most whom I interviewed are amazed at how much the Forum has accomplished
in the last two years. Often people cited the Summit as a first class event, where people who
would not usually find themselves in the same company came together to listen, to teach, to
learn about the importance, scale, and diversity of the nonprofit sector in Michigan.
Introductions made at the Summit and at other Forum-sponsored events have grown into
personal and institutional connections of mutual benefit. And research on the identity and
dynamics of the nonprofit sector in Michigan and nationally has begun and is now being

�disseminated. All of these examples of communication, education, networking, research, and
pursuit of common interests were certainly important in the founders' hopes for the Forum.
But there are also ways that the Forum, as it has come to be, differs from the original
vision. Things often take longer than we imagine they should, and the Forum has taken longer to
reach today's state of organization than originally pictured. There is a delicate balancing act
involved in operating an exciting and ambitious volunteer organization with a very small staff.
Forum members have come up with many more good ideas than can be acted on immediatly. It is
a good thing that the Forum functions as an incubator of ideas. But it can also be frustrating
when we have more good ideas than we can complete. For example, it was easy to agree that the
Forum should produce a White Paper on the nonprofit sector in Michigan. It has been much more
difficult and time consuming to figure out how to focus it, who should draft it, how detailed it
should be, who the intended audiences are, and when and how it will actually appear. The case is
similar with the videotapes recorded during the Summit. Moving from hours of recordings to
one or more condensed, targeted video productions is more expensive, complex and time
consuming than anyone expected.
Over and over again, in different ways, interviewees said that now is the time for the
Forum to focus on doing a few things very well. One described the Forum as being at the
adolescent stage of life. We have tried a wide variety of experiences. Now it is time to assess our
short history and be clear with ourselves about which three or four initiatives we have the
time, energy, and capacity to do best. No one ventured to spell out exactly what these three or
four key activities should be. But some of the nominated features of candidate core activities are
that they be pursued in a first class manner by a combination of staff and member time and
resources; that they have specific and measurable outcomes within a year or two; and that at
least some of these core activities be of direct and obvious benefit to local grass roots parts of
the nonprofit sector (e.g., local school boards, county United Way directors, community
volunteer centers).

Question 2. In what ways are the key activities of the MNF consistent with our Guiding
Principles?
1.
2.
3.
4.

Encouraging voluntary giving and service
Promoting constructive dialogue
Research and self-examination
Establishing high standards of ethics, efficiency and
accountability
5. Promoting positive public policies and incentives for the
nonprofit sector, including tax exemption

A general summary of responses to this question is quite positive: the activities and
Forum initiatives of the past two years are seen as consistent with the five Guiding Principles
adopted by the Trustees. Several respondents expressed delight in the fact that they could think
of Forum activities that reflected each of these principles, a pleasantly surprising record given
our short history. One trustee noted that, in hindsight, it was wise to frame and adopt these
Guiding Principles after the Forum had a year or so to sort itself out. A broad and inspiring
vision and mission statement was useful in rallying initial support for the Forum as an idea.
After a year of trying to operationalize the vision it was timely to set forth a more specific set

�of principles that speak to what we found to be common ground. The Guiding Principles set
boundaries on Forum activities, present and future. They remind us of our priorities and, by
omission, of what we have decided not to do. More than one respondent suggested that the Guiding
Principles could be used as a framework for reports to the Executive Committee about Forum
initiatives and accomplishments. This format, in turn, could be used by Trustees and others to
inform their own boards of directors and members about the good work and benefits of Forum
membership.
Voluntary Giving and Service
Looking at the five Guiding Principles one at a time, the concensus is that the Forum has
accomplished the most in relation to the first two: encouraging voluntary giving and service, and
promoting constructive dialogue. Our credits for promoting voluntary giving and service come
mostly from Forum affiliation with and support of Governor Romney's Campaign for
Volunteerism and the Give 5 Program. Together, Forum involvement in these activities has
taken an estimated 25% of staff time and energy, to give you a sense of the scale of our
commitment here. Maryelten Lewis was also instrumental in helping make a connection between
the Michigan Association of School Boards' resolution encouraging a service option for high
school students and the expertise of the Michigan Volunteer Centers to assist local school
authorities. This is a good example of how the Forum can work as a linking agent, making
alliances for the mutual benefit of organizations that otherwise would not have realized an
opportunity.
Constructive Dialogue
Promoting constructive dialogue within the nonprofit sector is for many the signature
activity of the Forum. The word "networking" was mentioned often as a primary benefit of
Forum membership. Forum participants report having met and learned from others whom they
likely would not have encountered in their typical patterns of educators talking to educators,
church people meeting with other church people, and so forth. Once initial contacts have been
made through Forum events and committees, members have felt free to call one another in
pursuit of common interests and projects. In this sense, the Forum has worked well in moving
interesting people out from behind their habits of mind and routines to discover one another and
to form new professional friendships and connections. Because there was no other available way
to do this and because many members felt somewhat isolated in their work, this was singled out
as a highly successful part of the Forum's program.
But it is worth noting that a few participants also took a critical view of constructive
dialogue. Opening new lines of communication has been a good thing, but some of the conversants
are perceived as shaping the conversation more than others and in ways that guard their own
organization's interests, i hasten to add that these friendly critics are not imputing selfish
motives to particular Forum members. Rather, they are trying to explain the structural
features of the Forum that may place constraints on its agenda. Finding common ground is both
hard and delicate work.

Research and Self-Examination
The Summit received high marks for many reasons: the wide range of Michigan sectors
and interests represented, the honesty and openness of the participants, the sophistication of the

�technical arrangements, and the polish of Ed Blews as master of ceremonies. The Summit also
brought us into contact with research on the nonprofit sector in Michigan and nationally, and
continued our professional education about the scope, heterogeneity, and challenges of the
nonprofit sector. Respondents were enthusiastic about the beginnings of newly specific
definitions of the "third sector" and the marshalling of evidence by Mark Wilson,
Robert L Payton and others useful in convincing government, business, and the public of the
vital importance of supporting the nonprofit sector. At the same time, the research reported at
the Summit was seen as but a promising beginning. The developing Scholars Network and the
planned Nonprofit Research Conference in December are encouraging examples of how the
Forum will continue to promote inquiry about the nonprofit sector in Michigan.
Promoting High Standards
There is no doubt about the Forum's commitment to promoting high standards of ethics,
efficiency and accountability in the Michigan nonprofit sector. There is also no doubt that these
matters will take on increasing importance and sensitivity in the coming months and years. The
more successful we are in public education about the size and importance of the nonprofit sector
the more subject we become to public and political scrutiny and regulation. If we do not
articulately regulate ourselves, others will be glad to do it for us.
To date, the Forum has flagged the standards issue as important and proposed that the
next Summit take accountability as its theme. The proposed White Paper and a draft Code of
Ethics for the nonprofit sector hold promise as contributions to high standards. But it is too soon
to tell how strong the Forum's contributions in this domain will be.
Positive

Public Policies

The Forum Program Committee and Public Policy Committee are the sources of most of
our work to date on promoting positive public policies and incentives for the nonprofit sector,
including tax exemption. These have been strong committees and a major agenda item has been
the tax credit issue. In late June the Forum sent an alert to members urging them to contact the
Michigan Congressional Delegation in connection with pending federal legislation on gifts of
appreciated property. Resisting postal rate increases and potentially onerous new accounting
standards drafted by the Financial Accounting Standards Board are also important priorities
addressed by these combined committees. The Forum has also received a small grant to find out
what other states are doing with regard to nonprofit sector advocacy. The general view among
members surveyed is that the Forum has made some promising first steps in promoting positive
public policies, but that it is too soon to tell how influential the Forum can be in this domain.
Question 3. How has the MNF increased a sense of community within the Michigan nonprofit
sector?
Many of the issues raised earlier under the heading of "constructive dialogue" were
echoed in connection with the Forum's role in promoting a sense of community within the
nonprofit sector. Members are pleased to have met and connected with individuals, organizations
and causes farther afield than they otherwise would have. Board and committee members who
are relatively new to Michigan or to their organizational roles expressed special gratitude to the
Forum for bringing them up to speed quickly about the Michigan nonprofit scene. And long time
veterans in the nonprofit sector are pleased that, at long last, we are building an infrastructure

6

�for much needed communication, cooperation and coordination. As one veteran said, "Before the
Forum our response to legislative developments was fragmentary and often too late to be
effective. Now we are able to be more coordinated and proactive." Members of Forum
committees expressed delight with the professionalism and energy of fellow committee members
and staff. The design of the Forum, with a very small staff, makes it necessary that the Board
and committee members do the lion's share of the work, and this has indeed been happening. A
sense of community comes from working hard together on common tasks, as Sister Monica
reminded me.
The Forum office is coming into its own as a source of information about nonprofits. The
staff has been responding to 12-15 telephone calls each month in its Nonprofit Information
Clearinghouse role, on questions as diverse as how to set up a new nonprofit, personnel policies
for nonprofits, training available, state sales tax regulations for church rummage sales,
fundraising opportunities, and where to get help recruiting volunteers for the Michigan State
Fair. In addition to providing helpful information and referrals, the staff adds inquirers to the
Forum mailing list and data base, broadening the statewide nonprofit network.
The expressed concern about the Forum's first years in promoting a sense of community
have to do with the scope and constituency of the community. Some feel strongly that the next
stage of nonprofit sector community building should involve much more attention to including
local and county level agencies and actors. The danger, they warn, is that the Forum may be
perceived as an exclusive club for state level nonprofit executives that has little to offer locally.
At the same time, others urge that we should not allow the Forum to get much bigger because it
is challenging enought to sustain a sense of partnership and connection among the present
membership. The issue boils down to finding a balanced way to provide intellectual, moral, and
practical support for the whole nonprofit sector in Michigan, while avoiding inefficient
duplication of services or exhaustion of our staff and working committee members. This
presents a classic dilemma, in which two desirable goals compete, and brings us back to the
issue of focus. When the Forum Executive Committee charts a course for the next year or two,
the question of the size, shape, and membership of the community we hope to affect ought to be
debated quite explicitly, for mafiy other decisions are shaped and constrained by this
fundamental one.
Question 4. To what degree have the activities of the MNF increased awareness and support of
the nonprofit sector in Michigan?
Increased awareness and support for the nonprofit sector in Michigan are attributed
primarily to the Summit and to Forum involvement in the Campaign for Volunteerism.
Participating legislators and business people reported being quite impressed with what they had
learned about the nonprofit sector at the Summit. In connection with the Campaign for
Volunteerism, Maryellen Lewis has travelled and met with representatives and boards of many
organizations outside the nonprofit sector, including the State Chamber of Commerce, Rotary
Clubs, the Detroit Executive Service Corps, and the Ford Motor Company. Satisfying as these
contributions to broader appreciation of the nonprofit sector are, they seem like a modest
beginning with greater potential. For the first time, Michigan has a voice that speaks
articulately for the nonprofit sector as a whole. The Forum is still learning how to use this
voice to widen the circle of awareness and support for the nonprofit sector. The press seems
generally not interested in featuring the nonprofit sector as news. This is an impediment to
more direct public education about the sector that we have identified and begun to address

�through a strong series of sessions at the Grantmakers/Grantseekers Seminars and through a
planned series of conversations with media leaders in anticipation of Grantmakers/Grantseekers
V.

Question 5. To what extent is the Forum sustainable in its present form or in a revised
configuration?
When I asked the final question about how or whether the Forum can be sustained, I
learned that leaders in the nonprofit sector can be at the same time optimistic and have
furrowed brows. Virtually everyone said that the Forum can be sustained. No one said that it
would be easy. And there was clear concensus that the coming year is a make or break time for
lining up a basket of core financial support. As mentioned earlier, you are of two minds about
expanding Forum membership to the 400 level that seems possible in Michigan. But even the
most enthusiastic promoters of expansion do not think that the Forum can become a duessupported organization. One way or another, the core support for the Forum staff, office and so
forth is seen as coming from one or a small number of foundation grants. Expanding the
membership rolls is seen as important in persuading prospective funders of the wide scope of
support that the Forum can provide in Michigan. A variation on the model of seeking multiple
sources for core support is to pursue sponsors of particular Forum activities, like future
Summits, the Forum publication and dissemination program, and Internships. We have had
success in securing multi-source support for the Grantmakers/Grantseekers Seminars and are
pursuing corporate support as well.
Several respondents revisited the themes of focus and practical service to local actors in
the nonprofit sector when we discussed sustainability. To persuade ourselves, future members,
and prospective financial backers of the long term worth of the Forum they urged concentration
on two or three manifestly practical and locally beneficial projects. Examples of Forum
activities already in the works that speak to this priority include a Resource Guide to technical
and managements support and training for nonprofit managers being assembled for fall
publication. The Calendar of Training Activities published in the first Newsletter received
considerable favorable attention from local nonprofits. And we are also compiling a diredtory of
current and emerging higher education programs for nonprofit managers and contributing to a
national effort to assemble a battery of easy to use evaluation instruments for nonprofits.
Another issue that arose in discussions of sustainability was regionalism. Lansing has
been the geographic center of Forum activity, although we have active members as far west as
Grand Haven and east to Flint and Detroit. Face to face dialogue is at the heart of Forum activity,
yet it demands a great deal of busy people to spend much of a day on the road to attend a two-hour
meeting. And this pattern makes it difficult for members and affiliates away from Lansing to feel
the fullest sense of ownership and participation. Out of these discussions came ideas and
encouragement for sponsoring regional conversations throughout the state. The present Forum
could serve as a catalyst and a model for locally organized and sustained networks of mutual
support, perhaps growing from community meetings for developing strategies to encourage
volunteerism and regional meetings to view and respond to issues raised in the videos of the
first Summit.

8

�Conclusions
In conclusion, you have convinced me that the Michigan Nonprofit Forum is real, is a
good idea in principle, and is an idea whose time has come. To date, you have told me, the
promise of the Forum is still greater than its accomplishments. At the same time, our
accomplishments are impressive, constructive, and consistent with our Guiding Principles. The
highest form of compliment I heard was from Len Young. As he prepared to move to Kansas City,
he told me that he intended to help create a Missouri Nonprofit Forum modelled after our own.
Even the intitats will be the same.
The Forum, fundamentally, is about relationships: Internal relationships among people
representing very different kinds of nonprofit organizations in Michigan, and External
relationships between the nonprofit sector and government, business, and the public. The word
"forum" implies common ground—a democratic place where common interests can be explored
and pursued; where each has a voice; a cooperative rather than a competitive space in which
encouragement, information exchange, and collaborative connections are the order of the day.
Forum founders and members believe that the work of their individual organizations is vital to a
free and compassionate society. And they also feel a broader sense of responsibility to nurture
the nonprofit sector as a whole; to make incidental connections stronger and to extend the
network farther; to help the members feel part of a like-minded, highly principled community;
to learn from the hard won experiences of others; and on occasion to speak and act with one
strong voice on matters of common interest. In short, the aspirations for the Forum have to do
with identity, mutual support, and common ground.
In evaluating this first phase of the MNF we can ask whether the nonprofit sector in
Michigan has a stronger, clearer identity today than two years ago, I think it has. We can be
proud of instances of mutual support among members attributable to the Forum. And we can ask
whether the Forum, through its varied activities, has helped to define common ground where
mutual interests meet. This has begun to happen and, by your testimony, ought to be pursued
even more urgently.
The Executive Committee and the Board of Trustees have a set of vital decisions to
confront: about membership, focus, financial support, and boundaries. The Forum is growing
out of adolescence, and each of you has different ideas about what kind of adult it shall become. I
hope my story helps to frame your conversation in a constructive light. I am eager to read your
next chapter.

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34 KELLOGG CENTER
EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN 48824-1022
Phone: 517/353-5038 Fax: 517/336-1327
An alliance to promote giving, volunteering and a strong, effective nonprofit sector in Michigan.

SUMMARY
Tax Incentive Study Task Force
Wednesday, July 22, 1992 -- 10:00 to 12:00
MI Library &amp; Historical Center — Lake Superior Room
Lansing, MI

Members Present:

Staff Present:

Robert E. Ivory, Co-Chair
Dorothy A. Johnson, Co-Chair
Robert Berning
Betty Boone
Richard T. Cole
David Haynes
Maryellen J. Lewis
Matthew E. McLogan

Donna M. Clarke

1.

Welcome &amp; Introductions: R. Ivory called the meeting to order at 10:05 a.m. Those
present introduced themselves.

2.

Background: D. Johnson described the development of the MNF task force appointed
to review tax incentives for nonprofits. The Task Force has been convened to guide a
study of tax incentives which may be useful to the Michigan Department of Treasury,
which is required to submit such a study to the legislature by June 30, 1993.
Toward that goal, Public Affairs Associates has been engaged by the Council of
Michigan Foundations and the United Way of Michigan to collect and analyze the
necessary data and prepare an analytical study, as the basis for recommendations to be
submitted to the Department of Treasury.
The cost of the contract with Public Affairs Associates is $30,000. The United Way of
Michigan has volunteered to serve as fiscal agent for the project. Further, the W.K.
Kellogg Foundation, United Way of Michigan and Council of Michigan Foundations
have formally indicated that they will provide financial support for the study. Ideally,
modest financial support will also be forthcoming from other educational, arts, health
and human service agencies. It is anticipated that each organization will contribute the
time and out-of-pocket expenses necessary for committee participation.

�3.

Role of the Task Force: R. Ivory noted that the role of the Task Force will be to
provide direction for the study, by soliciting broad-based input from the nonprofit
sector, and to advise on the final report and recommendations.

4.

Scope of the Study: D. Haynes discussed the urgent need for a study of this nature.
Major changes in Michigan tax structure are looming on the horizon. Both the
legislature and the executive office recognize voters' concern about the current tax
structure, and believe that 1993-94 budget discussions will focus on revamping the tax
system. Major readjustments in state revenue are anticipated, which will be reflected
in how Michigan funds programs. This year will be a time of extraordinary
opportunity for Michigan's nonprofit sector to advance a solid rationale for the historic
support given by state government toward the sector's work in the public interest.
Committee members agreed that, in order to sustain and advance stable and supportive
public policies, nonprofits must understand clearly the impact of tax credits: (1) on
state revenues, (2) on private giving, and (3) on overall allocation of dollars to public
and private causes. We must also, D. Haynes pointed out, be able to distinguish the
impacts of aH tax credits (which support a wide range of profit and nonprofit groups)
from those which specifically support the work of 501(c)(3) organizations. With hard
data on these difficult questions for the first time, the rationale for supportive public
policies will be clarified.
Committee members pointed out that the tax credit issue is already controversial in
Michigan. Nearly 30 human service organizations have allied in the Coalition for the
Public Trust in opposition to the principle of tax credits for contributions to a selected
few nonprofits. D. Johnson suggested that a state tax credit or exemption for
contributions to all 501(c)(3) organizations qualified for the federal income tax
exemption — currently adopted by approximately 30 states — may prove to be a more
broadly supported principle. Committee members agreed that member organizations of
the Coalition for the Public Trust (such as the Michigan League for Human Services)
should be included in this exploration of tax credit policy, as constructive partners.

5.

Next Steps: After discussion, the committee agreed that the consultants will produce a
discussion paper within the next 90 days on the results of their study, so that the
committee can consider the rationales supporting various tax credit policies.
Committee members will also begin to meet with members of the nonprofit community
to garner their input and participation in this exploration, toward a broader
understanding and consensus on final recommendations. And finally, the committee
will begin to lay groundwork for dissemination of the eventual recommendations and
rationale to key legislators, to inform the debate and clarify the consequences of tax
policy options.

6.

Adjournment: The meeting adjourned at 12:00. The next meeting is scheduled for
September 21 from 9:00 to 11:00 at the MI Library &amp; Historical Center, in the Lake
Huron room.

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All tJililulct to promou li•illg, •oliUitttrillt 4Nl• ltrollg, tfftdi, MlfProfiJ stcJor in Michigan.
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SUMMARY

Tax Incentive Study Task Force
Wednesday, July 22, 1992- 10:00 to 12:00
MI Library &amp; Historical Center - Lake Superior Room
I .ansing, MI

Members Present:

Staff Present:

Robert E. Ivory, Co-Chair
Dorothy A. Johnson, Co-Chair
Robert Berning
Betty Boone
Richard T. Cole
David Haynes
Maryellen J. Lewis
Matthew E. McLogan

Donna M. Clarke

1.

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present introduced themselves.

2.

Backeround: D . Johnson described the development of the MNF task force appointed
to review tax incentives for nonprofits. The Task Force has been convened to guide a
study of tax incentives which may be useful to the Michigan Department of Treasury,
which is required to submit such a study to the legislature by June 30, 1993.
Toward that goal, Public Affairs Associates has been engaged by the Council of
Michigan Foundations and the United Way of Michigan to collect and analyze the
necessary data and prepare an analytical study, as the basis for recommendations to be
submitted to the Department of Treasury.
The cost of the contract with Public Affairs Associates is $30,000. The United Way of
Michigan has volunteered to serve as fiscal agent for the project. Further, the W.K.
Kellogg Foundation, United Way of Michigan and Council of Michigan Foundations
have formally indicated that they will provide financial support for the study. Ideally,
modest financial support will also be forthcoming from other educational, arts, health
and human service agencies. It is anticipated that each organization will contribute the
time and out-of-pocket expenses necessary for committee participation.

�3.

Role of the Task Force: R. Ivory noted that the role of the Task Force will be to
provide direction for the study, by soliciting broad-based input from the nonprofit
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4.

Scope of the Study: D. Haynes discussed the urgent need for a study of this nature.
Major changes in Michigan tax structure are looming on the horizon. Both the
legislature and the executive office recognize voters' concern about the current tax
structure, and believe that 1993~ budget discussions will focus on revamping the tax
system. Major readjustments in state revenue are anticipated, which will be reflected
in how Michigan funds programs. This year will be a time of extraordinary
opportunity for Michigan's nonprofit sector to advance a solid rationale for the historic
support given by state government toward the sector's work in the public interest.
Committee members agreed that, in order to sustain and advance stable and supportive
public policies, nonprofits must understand clearly the impact of tax credits: (1) on
state revenues, (2) on private giving, and (3) on overall allocation of dollars to public
and private causes. We must also, D. Haynes pointed out, be able to distinguish the
impacts of all tax credits (which support a wide range of profit and nonprofit groups)
from those which specifically support the work of 50l(c)(3) organizations. With hard
data on these difficult questions for the first time, the rationale for supportive public
policies will be clarified.
Committee members pointed out that the tax credit issue is already controversial in
Michigan. Nearly 30 human service organizations have allied in the Coalition for the
Public Trust in opposition to the principle of tax credits for contributions to a selected
few nonprofits. D. Johnson suggested that a state tax credit or exemption for
contributions to al..l501(c)(3) organizations qualified for the federal income tax
exemption - currently adopted by approximately 30 states - may prove to be a more
broadly supported principle. Committee members agreed that member organizations of
the Coalition for the Public Trust (such as the Michigan League for Human Services)
should be included in this exploration of tax credit policy, as constructive partners.

5.

Next Stws: After discussion, the committee agreed that the consultants will produce a
discussion paper within the next 90 days on the results of their study, so that the
committee can consider the rationales supporting various tax credit policies.
Committee members will also begin to meet with members of the nonprofit community
to garner their input and participation in this exploration, toward a broader
understanding and consensus on final recommendations. And finally, the committee
will begin to lay groundwork for dissemination of the eventual recommendations and
rationale to key legislators, to inform the debate and clarify the consequences of tax
policy options.

6.

Adjournment: The meeting adjourned at 12:00. The next meeting is scheduled for
September 21 from 9:00 to 11 :00 at the MI library &amp; Historical Center, in the Lake
Huron room.

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Minutes of the 7/14/92 Meeting
List of Participants

Report of the Executive Director

Financial Statements for July &amp; August
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Update Memo on Network Associates
Summary of Membership Campaign
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TOTALS:

As of S&lt;a&gt;t. 16:
Honorary Donors
Sustaining Donors
Sponsoring Donors
Other Donors
Network Associates
Associate Members
Subscriber

13
3
4

6
9
104
10

Since July 1:

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�GOVERNING BOARD ORGANIZATIONAL MEMBERS/DONORS:
Association of Independent Colleges &amp; Universities of Michigan
Congress of National Black Churches/Michi.gan Affiliate
Council of Michigan Foundations
Council of Michigan Urban Leagues
Jewish Community fiouncil
Michigan Association of School Administrators
Michigan Association of School Boards
Michigan Catholic Conference
Michigan Community Action Agency Association
Michigan Community College Association
Michigan Council for Arts &amp; Cultural Affairs
Michigan Ecumenical Forum
Michigan Health Council
Michigan League for Human Services
President's Council, State Universities of Michigan
United Way of Michigan

HONORARY DONORS ($500 and over):
Dorothy A. Johnson, Council of Michigan Foundations
Russell G. Mawby, Chairman &amp; CEO, W.K. Kellogg Foundation
Charles Stewart Mott Foundation
George W. Romney, Former Governor of Michigan
E.izabeth Upjohn, Trustee, Kalamazoo Foundation
Dow Chemical Company Foundation
Independent Sector
Michigan Campus Compact
National Council of Nonprofit Associations
National Society of Fundraising Executives - Michigan Chapters
Rollin M. Gerstacker Foundation
St. John Hospital &amp; Medical Center
W.K. Kellogg Foundation

SUSTAINING DONORS ($250-499):
Detroit Edison
Bob &amp; Maryellen Lewis, Albion MI
JohnS. Lore, St. John Health Corporation

SPONSORING DONORS ($100-249):
Helen C. Philpott, Trustee, Community Foundation of Greater Flint
William Stoffer, Chairman, Calhoun County Economic Development
Lloyd Thiel, Capuchin Community Center

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�Karole L. White, Executive Director, Michigan Association of Broadcasters

OTHER DONORS (Under $100):

Gale Colwell, Executive Director The Community House
Phil Guyes.key, Michigan State Chamber Foundation
Gerard Keidel, Executive Dkector, Michigan Association of School Administrators
Lillian Mason, Board Member, Grand Blanc Public Schools
Glenn Stevens, Executive Director, Presidents Council of State Universities of MI
Kathleen Straus, Government Relations Chair, Jewish Community Council

NETWORK ASSOCIATES

Accounting Aid Society
Association for Child Development
Jewish Federation of Metro Detroit
Local Initiatives Support Corp.
Michigan Association of Non-Public Schools
Michigan Economic Education Council
Michigan Humanities Council
Michigan Primary Care Association
Volunteer Centers of Michigan

Jeanne Vogt
Nancy C. Kostka
Robert P. Aronson
Tom Edmiston
Billie Wimmer
Robert Schiller
Ronald D. Means
Sarah E. Lang
Sharon Radtke

ASSOCIATE MEMBERS:

Acton Institute
ALS of Michigan, Inc.
American Heart Association of Michigan
American Youth Foundation
Angela Hospice Home Care
Ann Arbor Area Community Foundation
Aquinas College
Arts Council Greater Grand Rapids
Association for Child Development/Detroit
Baker College/Flint
Baker College System/Flint
Benzie County Community Chest
Berrien County Association of Churches
Big Brothers/Big Sisters of Flint
Black Educational Excellence Program
Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Michigan
Blue Water Clinic
Business Volunteer for the Arts
Catholic Social Services of Wayne Co.

3

,

Kris Mauren
Pamela Weygard
Gereld Doelle
Mark Pawlowski
Sr. M. Giovanni
Terry Foster
Karen Loth
Jacqueline R. Udell
Mark Habel
Eileen Hayes
Kenneth Rice
Alice M. Fewins
Rev. James Atterberry
Gary Haggart
Mary Copeland
Donna Nestovich
James Gilan
Wallis Klein
Genevieve Rakocy

�Coalition on Temporary Shelter
Communications Consultant
Community Case Management Service
Community Health Awareness Group
Community Mental Health of Lenawee
Coopers &amp; Lybrand
Council on Aging/Washtenaw County
Created for Caring
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Cromaine Library
Delta Broadcasting
Detroit Institute for Children
Direction Center
DOVIA-Flint (Volunteer Administrators Ntwk)
Family Outreach Center
Federation of Girls Homes
Flint Fast Track
FOCUS, Inc.
Food Bank Council of MI
Foster, Magill &amp; Rumsey P .C.
Ford Motor Company (Retired)
Founders Society DIA
Gateway, Inc.
Good Neighbors Mission
Grand Valley State University
Guardian Inc.
Guidance Clinic
Heat and Warmth Fund
Hope Network
Ingham Intermediate School District
John C. Heerspink, Inc.
Jordan College
Junior Achievement of SE Michigan
Junior League of Grand Rapids
Kent County CES
Kent Regional 4C
Maple Valley School Board
McKinley Foundation
Metro Affairs Corporation
Michigan Foster Adoptive Parents Asn.
Metro Health Foundation
Michigan Asn. of Local Public Health
Michigan Conference United Church of Christ
Michigan League for Nursing
Michigan Nonprofit Management Institute
Michigan State Cooperative Extension
Midland County Council on Aging
Mitten Bay Girl Scout Council

4

Suzanne Heath
Paula Jarvis
Ida Brock
Denise Porter-Jones
Roger Meyers
Jay G. Rudolph
Nancy Orel
Judy Gauthier
Sandra Scherba
Paul Strum
Janet Lusk
Barb Greene
Peter Hutchinson
Veneese Chandler
Enda Ramsey
Sr. Joanne Fedewa
Sasha Roberts
Karin Uhlich
Ralph S. Rumsey
Frank T. Judge, Jr.
Joseph P . Bianco
Ronald G. Matthews
Carolyn Butler
Beanor French
Ronald Lantz
Elizabeth Sperry Shehigian
Kathleen Walgren
Philip D. Tietz
Kathy Dewsbury-White
John Heerspink
Jack Kooyman
Thomas Dewar
Susan Jones
Sandy Smith
Laureen Kennedy
Lynn Mengyan
Eileen Weiser
B. David Sanders
Carol Visser
Glenn F. Kossick
Mark Bertler
Carol Cunningham
Nancy Caputo
Phil Reed
Linda Niennan
Sally York
Jeanee M. Nelson

�Mt. Clemens General Hosp. Foundation
Newaygo County Community Service
NICHE
North American Indian Association
Northwest Senior Resources
Oakland University
Operation L.I.F.E. Foundation
Orchards Children's Servi~
Oscoda Area Schools
Paws with a Cause
Plante &amp; Moran
Printing Industries of MI Education Fdn.
Public Image
Recupexation Center
Reformed Bible College
Rotary Charities of Traverse City
Senior Services
Services for Older Citizens
Society of St. Vincent de Paul
Sparta Community Education
Spring Arbor College
Spring Hill Camps
St. Vincent &amp; S. Fisher Center
Today's Living Concepts
Tuscola County Cooperative Extension
United Methodist Retirement Community
United Way of Kent County
VFW National Home
Visiting Nurse Association of SEMI
Voluntary Action Center of Saginaw Co.
Wayne-Metro Community Service Agency
Washtenaw Community College
West Midland Family Center
West MI Dental Foundation
Westwood United Methodist Church
Wheatland Music Organization
YMCA of Metro Detroit
YWCA of Kalamazoo

Kathryn Davis
Bev Cassidy
Robert Leneway
Myrle McCall
Robert C. Schlueter
Barbara Moretsky
Gerald Levin
Christine Sargent
Michael Sapp, Sr.
Forrest Lewis
William Baird
Gary Dembs
Sandie Withrow
Ronald L . Zoet
Robert Collier
Mary Louise Avery
Ann Kramer
James R. Carron
Marialyce Zeerip
Richard Lofgren
Vivian Blakemore
Betty Speyer
Val Sovinski
Dennis Stein
Robert A. Alder
Donald Custis
Wayne Komejan
Cynthia Tanner
Eve E. Gohlke
Luther Flanagan
willi3.m H. Holmes
Greg Dorrien
Lawrence Manning
Ken Karlzen
Lola Tyle
Kenneth Isherwood
Jennifer Shoub

SUBSCRIBERS:
Andrews University
Listening Ear
Cadillac Chamber of Commerce
Consultant
Crisis Pregnancy Center/Kalamazoo

Fred Anucha
Douglas Alberts
Ron Andrews
Patricia Ouch
John McCastle

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NCADDofMI
Institutional Advancement Consultant
Consultant
Girl Scouts/North Oakland Co. Council
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Judith Ellis
Bill Fairgrieve
Deborah Johnson
Louise Motoligin
Celeste Rabaut

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