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                    <text>ER and WATER
· FACILITIES

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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
FOR
SEWER AND WATER FACILITIES
Emmet County, Michigan
APRIL, 1971

PART I-A:

Population, Economic
Conditions, Public Utilities, Resources, Agriculture, Land Patterns,
Trends and Water Resources.

PART II-A:

Maps of the Planning Area,
Soils, Topography, Land
Use, Sewer and Water Systems.

B:

Financing Plan

C:

Plan Updating Proposal

PART III:

Comprehensive Sewer and
Water Plan

PREPARED FOR:
THE EMMET COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
PREPARED BY:
VILICAN-LEMAN &amp; ASSOCIATES, INC.
COMMUNITY PLANNING CONSULTANTS
29621 NORTHWESTERN HIGHWAY
SOUTHFIELD, MICHIGAN 48076
and
McNAMEE, PORTER &amp; SEELEY
CONSULTING ENGINEERS
ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN
The preparation of this report was financially aided through a Comprehensive Sewer and Water Planning Grant fro~ the Farmers Horne Administration of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

�COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
WARD H. WALSTROM, Chairman
DONALD HODGKISS, Vice Chairman
CHARLES WILLS, Secretary
ROBERT CILKE, JR.
JAMES Co ESTERLINE
THOMAS FAIRBAIRN
SEBERON LITZENBURGER
HARRY PINTARELLI
ROBERT TRACY

COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSTONERS
HUGH HEYNIG, Chairman
HUBERT BACHELOR
ROBERT CILKE, JR.
AL FOSTER
ROBERT J. GREENWELL
ERNEST KUEBLER
DONALD D. JARDINE
ERNST MANTHEI
FRANK SCHMALZRIED
J o H. WEBSTER
Eo So WIXSON

�C O N T E N T S

FOREWARD

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POPULATION

1

TRENDS
AGE GROUPS
PROJECTIONS
OTHER CHARACTERISTICS

1
2
4
6

AREA ECONOMIC CONDITIONS

8

FINANCIAL CONDITIONS

9

EXISTING PUBLIC UTILITIES
AREA-WIDE TRANSPORTATION
WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES
SANITARY LAND FILLS (Solid Waste Disposal)
CENTERS OF TRADE AND COMMUNICATION
NATURAL RESOURCES
SOILS
TOPOGRAPHY
DRAINAGE PATTERNS
WATER RESOURCES
AGRICULTURE, LAND PATTERNS AND TRENDS
LA.T\JD PATTERNS
POTENTIAL FOR RECREATION AND TOURISM
TRENDS IN COMMERCIAL USES
TRENDS IN INDUSTRIAL USES
EMPLOYMENT BY OCCUPATION
TRENDS IN RESIDENTIAL USES

13
13
15
17
19
23
24
27
29
30
32
35
39
40
47
47
51

WATER RESOURCES

59

LONG RANGE FINANCING PLAN

60

PUBLIC ACT 185
GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS
ACT 94 REVENUE BONDS
STATE AND FEDERAL AID
ACT 188
SPECIAL ASSESSMENT BONDS

60
61
62
62
63

PLAN UPDATING PROPOSAL

64

COMPREHENSIVE SEWER AND WATER PLAN

66

WASTE WATER COLLECTION AND TREATMENT
COMMUNITY WATER SYSTEMS
FUTURE WATER SUPPLY SYSTEMS

66
72
79

�T A B L E S

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1.

HISTORY OF POPULATION GROWTH - 1900-1970

1

2.

POPULATION TRENDS:

3

3.

SUMMARY OF COUNTY POPULATION PROJECTIONS

4

4.

PROJECTIONS FOR COUNTY CIVIL DIVISIONS

5

5.

RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN SELECTED AREAS

6

6.

HOUSEHOLD SIZE - 1960

7

7.

STATE EQUALIZED VALUATIONS BY COMMUNITY

11

8.

TYPICAL TOWNSHIP - SCHOOL PROPERTY TAX

12

9.

RESIDENTIAL WATER AND SEWER SERVICES

16

10.

INVENTORY OF COMMUNITY SERVICES

22

11.

COUNTY SOIL RESOURCES

25

12 .

SELECTED FARM CHARACTERISTICS

33

1 3.

VALUE OF FARM PRODUCTS SOLD

34

14.

EXISTING LAND USE

36

15.

RETAIL SALES BY YEAR

42

16.

1960 OCCUPATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS

48

17.

EMPLOYEES BY MAJOR INDUSTRY GROUP

50

18 .

PETOSKEY, MICHIGAN - COMPLETE CHEMICAL ANALYSIS
OF WATER

74

A.W.W . A. WATER QUALITY GOALS
U.S.P,H . S. DRINKING WATER STANDARDS

74

HARBOR SPRINGS, MICHIGAN - COMPLETE CHEMICAL
ANALYSIS OF WATER

75

MACKINAW CITY, MICHIGAN - COMPLETE CHEMICAL
ANALYSIS OF WATER

76

WELLS DRILLED IN EMMET COUNTY IN 1970

78

1930 to 1970

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210
22 .

�I L L U S T RA T I 0 N S

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EXISTING SANITARY SEWER SERVICE

22A

EXISTING COMMUNITY WATER SERVICE

22B

GENERALIZED SOIL RESOURCES

24A

TOPOGRAPHY

27A

EX I STING LAND USE

35A

RESIDENTIAL AREAS PLAN

53A

FUTURE COMMUNITY WATER SERVICE

69A

FUTURE SANITARY SEWER SERVICE

79A

�A P P E N D I X T A B L E S

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EXISTING LAND USE - SUPERVISOR DISTRICT NO. 1

A-1

2.

EXISTING LAND USE - SUPERVISOR DISTRICT NO. 2

A-2

3.

EXISTING LAND USE - SUPERVISOR DISTRICT NO. 3

A-3

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EXISTING LAND USE - SUPERVISOR DISTRICT NO. 4

A-4

5

EXISTING LAND USE - SUPERVISOR DISTRICTS NO'S. 5 - 11

A-5

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�FOREWORD

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This report is titled the "Comprehensive Sewer and Water Plan", for
Emmet County, Michigan, and was funded by a planning grant from the
Farmers Home Administration, U. S. Department of Agriculture.
When application was made for the Farmers Home Administration planning
grant, a supplemental planning program was funded by the U. S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to prepare a County-wide Comprehensive Land Use Plan. The operation of this two phase planning
program resulted in a more comprehensive approach to County planning.
The Water and Sewer Plan is more complete because it benefited from
detailed land use plans developed under the "70ltr work.
Conversely,
the Comprehensive County Land Use Plan will be more complete because
of the research completed for this plan.
The two programs dovetailed well from a technical point of view, and
both were coordinated under the auspices of the Emmet County Planning
Commission . This Plan was accepted and approved by a formal resolution of the Planning Commission on April 21, 1971.
It is cautioned that much of the basic statistical analysis work was
completed before any 1970 census data was available. Hence, persons
using this report should consider this unavoidable limitation.
For
some data, however, census data recently available has been trinserted"
to give a more accurate trend picture.

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�COMPREHENSIVE SEWER AND WATER
PLAN:
PART I and PART II

�POPULATION

!Eart I

Ao 1 . )

In November of 1969, a Comprehensive Analysis and Report of Population
in Emmet County was prepared with FHA Planning Assistance Funds. The
conclusions from that report are summarized and updated herein so that
the finds will be current for this Comprehensive Water and Sewer Plan.
TRENDS
Emmet County's population in 1960 was lower than it was in 1950. Also,
the County's population in 1930 was only slightly lower than the 1960
total.
However, the 1970 Census reports show a 15.3% increase over
1960. Despite this recent gain, the County reached its peak population in 1910.
The history of County population change since 1900 is summarized in
TABLE 1.

TABLE 1
HISTORY OF POPULATION GROWTH - 1900 to 1970
Emmet County
County Population

Census Year
1900
1910
1920
1930
1940
1950
1960
1970

15,931
18,561
15,639
15,109
15,791
16,534
15,904
18,337

Emmet County's past growth represents a long period of population
stability, despite two World Wars, a major depression and other
volitile national growth influences.
In the decades from 1930 to
1970, the population increased 14.6%, yet the 1910 population was
230 persons higher than in 1970.
Emmet County is composed of 16 Townships ranging in size from 185
citizens to a population of 2,450.
The past growth pattern of these
communities varied from one another, some increasing gradually while
others lost population.

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�TABLE 2 illustrates the recent history of population growth among the
communities of the County. Only four Townships have increased in population in each Census year between 1930 and 1970. These are the Townships of Little Traverse, Littlefield, Resort and Springvale. Bear
Creek Township and West Traverse Township have experienced consistent
growth since 1940.
Between 1950 and 1960, eight Townships reported
population decreases .
Since 1960, six Townships reported declines .
Population losses since 1960 occurred in the Townships of Bliss, Carp
Lake, Friendship, McKinley, Pleasantview and Readmond.
Those that
experienced increases, exceeded the growth rates of the Cities and
Villages .
Little Traverse and Center Townships increased by a rate
ov~r 60%. WaWatam Township had the lowest percent increase at 17.1%
which exceeded the County average of 15.3%.
In the order of importance, the largest numerical population gains
occurred in Bear Creek Township, Little Traverse Townsnip, Littlefield
Township, Resort Township, Harbor Springs, Petoskey, Springvale Township and Center Township.
AGE GROUPS
,Some of the population age group data which characterized Emmet County
in 1960 is described below. This data should be re-evaluated when the
results of the 1970 Census become available.
1.

Pre-School Age (Under 5 years)
In 1960, 12.4% of Michigan's population was under five years of
age . West Traverse Township had 16%.
In the order of highest
percentage, Springvale, Bear Creek, Wawatam, Resort and Friendship Townships also exceeded the State average.
Pleasantview,
Center and Cross Village Townships reported fewer than 6% of the
population in this age group.

2.

School Age to young Adults (5 to 24 years)
Both the County and State have 33.7% of their population in the
school age - young adult group.
Eleven of the 16 Townships have
higher than average proportions, with Readmond, Friendship, West
Traverse, Bliss, Center and Resort Township's exceeding 36% ~

3.

Family Forming or Young Labor Force (25 - 44 years)
A consistent population disparity with State averages in northern
communities is the family forming or young labor force population
group.
The State reported 26.5% of the 1960 population in this
group, while Emmet County reported 21.8%.
Only Pleasantview Township exceeds the State average, with 53% of
the population aged 25 to 44 years.
In contrast, Cross Village
and Center Townships have less than 16% of their population in
this age group.
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TABLE 2
POPULATION TRENDS:

1930 to 1970

Emmet County &amp; Civil Divisions

Township_s_:

w

Bear Creek
Bliss
Carp Lake
Center
Cross Village
Friendship
Little Traverse
Littlefield
McKinley
Maple River
Pleasantview
Readmond
Resort
Springvale
Wawatam
West Traverse

1930

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1940,

1950
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1960
-

1,227
399
374
442
323
336
4-40
691
1,121
53 8
165
362
656
298
298
270
7,94-0

1,204
421
431
425
290
428
481
835
980
540
207
4-40
708
371
343
245
8,349

1,756
355
524
307
228
297
575
842
845
415
114
352
727
387
397
319
8 , 4- 4-_0

1,859
298
464
215
14-0
318
602
906
8 4-3
335
198
246
74- 8
467
368
326
8,333

287
1, 4-2 9
'283
810
5,740
7,169

330
1,4-23
326
562
6,019
7, 44-2

319
1,626
365
4- 4-2
6, 4-6 8
8,094-

290
1,433
336
429
6,138
7,571

15, rog

15,791

16,534-

15,904

60 to 70 Chan~e
Number Percent
591
31. 8
- 16 - 5.4
- 5.4
- 25
134
62.3
45
32.1
78
-24.5
63,6
383
39.7
360
- 0.9
8
23,9
80
_
3
7. 4
- 74
- 12 - 4.9
· 2 51
34.9
4 2. 0
196
17.1
63
28.8
9 41,98423.8%

1970
2,450
282
439
349
185
2 4-0
985
1,266
835
415
1242 3 41,009
663
431
4-2 0
10,327

Cities &amp; Villages:
~':Alanson
Harbor Springs
*Mackinaw City (pt)
~•:Pellston
Petoskey City
County
NOTE:

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229
6
40
204
4-3 3

2--;1+21

2 4-. 8
16.0
- 1.8
9.3
3. 3

s-:r
15. 3%

362
1,662
330
469
6,342
8,004
18, 3 jl

Villages indicated with* are included with their respectiv e Townships and
not added under the category 11 cities and villagesir,

�4.

Mature Family Group (45 to 64 years)
Nearly 21% of the County population is aged 45 to 64 years, which
compares closely with the State's proportion of 19.2%. Township
proportions range from the low 11.6% in Pleasantview to the high
of 26.5% in Center.
In general, Northern Michigan communities
have higher proportions of mature family aged groups and Emmet
County reflects this pattern.

5.

Retirement Age Group (65 and over)
Emmet County has a significantly higher proportion of retirement
age citizens than the State (12.1% compared with 8.1%).
Only two
Townships have percentages lower than the State average:
Pleasantview 3% and Friendship 7.9%. Cross Village has the highest proportion with 27.1%. A large proportion of retirement age citizens
is also typical of northern area communities.

PROJECTIONS
For the purposes of the Emmet County Comprehensive Plan, four population
projections to 1990 were completed for a 22 year projection period,
beginning with 1968 . These were done before 1970 Census data was
available.
The results of the various methods are summarized on
TABLE 3.

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TABLE 3
SUMMARY OF COUNTY POPULATION PROJECTIONS
Emmet County

Projection Method

1960
Population

1990
Projection

Long Term Arithmetic

15,904

18,331

16,700

Long Term (Dept. of Commerce)

15,904

18,331

18,180

Short Term Arithmetic

15,904

18,331

21,890

Short Term Ratio Apportionment

15,904

18,331

22,000

Average

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1970
Population

19,9 4 0

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�If the four projection methods are averaged, the 1990 population would
total 19,940 persons . As a general conclusion, the short range projection techniques appear to be the most accurate in view of the 1970
total population.
If the current pace of growth continues, the 1990
"average" projection figure will be reached by 1980.
It was assumed that the Michigan Department of Commerce projections
for the Civil Divisions of Emmet County would be reasonable working
estimates of future population.
These are presented along with the
adjusted population for communities in the Petoskey Area on TABLE 4,
"Projections for County Civil Divisions".
The 1970 population Census
strongly indicates that many Civil Divisions are growing more rapidly
than the Department of Commerce figures indicate.
In any event, it
should be recognized that projections for smaller community areas,
are tenuous and more subject to inaccurate results. Also, the process
of apportioning a total County population of less than 20,000 persons
among 18 communities is always a questionable procedure.

TABLE 4
PROJECTIONS FOR COUNTY CIVIL DIVISIONS
Emmet County

County Civil Divisions

1960
Population

Bear Creek Township
Bliss Township
Carp Lake Township
Center Township
Cross Village Township
Friendship Township
Little Traverse Township
Littlefield Township (Alanson)
McKinley Township
Maple River Township
Pleasantview Township
Readmond Township
Resort Township
Springvale Township
WaWatam Township
West Traverse Township
Harbor Springs (City)
Petoskey (City)
Total County
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1990
Projection

1990 Projection
Adjusted for
Petoskey Area
Projections

1,859
298
464
215
140
318
602
906
843
335
198
246
748
467
368
326
1,433
6,138

2,63Q
247
582
94
65
238
770
1,040
810
226
165
150
860
565
450
400
1,750
7,138

2,380
Low
3,165
Low
Low
7,520

15,904

18,180

22,502

5,050
Low
Low
4,387
Low
Low

Michigan Department of Commerce Projections. The 1970 U.S. Census
provides a basis for re-evaluating the projection results for Civil
Divisions.
Vilican-Leman &amp; Associates, Inc., Projection for the Petoskey Area
Planning Commission, and comments based on 1970 Census findings.
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�With t he adjustments made for Petoskey, Bear Creek Township and Resort
Township, the total projected 1990 County Population is 22,500 . This
f i gure will be used for the purposes of the Comprehensive Plan.
It is
r easonable, but slightly conservative in view of the 242.7 person per
year growth experienced since 1960.
OTHER CHARACTERISTICS
1.

Commuting Patterns
Ac cording to t he 1960 U. S . Census of Population, 262 workers commut ed to jobs outside of Emmet County (5.5% of the employed workers ).
Comparat i ve commuting rates in adjoining Counties are:
6 . 0% in
Ot sego, 7. 5% in Cheboygan and 11 . 3% in Charlevoix o It may be conclu ded that a comparatively high rate of persons who work in the
County live in the County . Hence, a new employment source in Emme t
Cou nty will attract employees and families into the County as well .

2.

Dens i ty
For each resident in Emmet County there is 16.2 acres of land .
Considerably less per capita area is available when the influx
of tourists are included . The results of an analysis of density
for selected residential blocks in the County are presented on
TABLE 5 .

TABLE 5
RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN SELECTED AREAS
Emmet County
Select ed
Commu nity

Land Eer Dwelling

Alanson
Brutu s
Conway
Cross Village
Pells t on
Lev ering
Oden
Pon-she-wa-ing (Oden)
Paradise Lake
Van

1 0,000
12,500
7,650
15,000
6,600
9,720
12,860
6,000
12,500
15,000

square
square
square
square
square
square
square
square
square
square

feet
feet
feet
feet
feet
feet
feet
feet
feet
feet

Dwellings
:12er acre
4 o3
3. 5
5. 7
2. 9
6.6
4. 5
3. 4
7.3
3. 5
2. 9

The fo r ego i ng density l ist i s based on sample blocks in areas where
the r e a r e no community water or sewer systems . Within each community
area individual homes may be sited on either smaller or larger sites .
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�Households &amp; Family Size
In 1960 there were 4,696 households in Emmet County as reported in the
U. S o Census of Population. Dividing the population in households by
the number of households gives an average population per household of
3 . 33 persons. This is compared with other communities in TABLE 6 .

TABLE 6
HOUSEHOLD SIZE - 1960
Community
The State of Michigan
Emme t County
Charlevoix County
Cheboygan County
Grand Traverse County

Average Number of Persons
per Household in 1960
3 . 42
3.33
3.35
3.49
3.31

1950 to 1960
Percent Change
+ 24 . 9 %
2 . 1%
0 . 3%
+ 6 . 5%
+ 21. 3%

Comparatively, the County has a low po~ulation per household, and had
been decreasing through 1960 . This trend may or may not be continuing
through 1970, but is probably influenced by: fewer young people livi ng
on farms, increased retirement age population, high proportion of
retirement age citizens, and the in-migration of students at North
Central Michigan College.

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�AREA ECONOMIC CONDITIONS !PART I A. 2.)
Emmet County's location in the northwest regi0n of the State has a
direct relationship on economic conditions in the area .
From sev eral
indices, the regi0n including the County is economically behind the
State of Michigan, recogn i zing that the State economy is heav ily influenced by rapidly growing and industrialized metr opolitan areas . In
general, the northern and nonmetropolitan areas of the State are i nfluenced by resource industries (agriculture, forestry, fishing, min- ·.
ing, etc.) rather than manufacturing. Moreover, retail services a r e
highly dependent upon seasonal trade fr0m tourist recreation act iv i ty.
The result of these regional conditions are manifested by seasonal
employment fluctuations, lower wage scales, and limited job oppor t un i ties .
There tends to be a predominance of older citizens of retirement age,
community services . '.are generally inadequate - especially water and
sewer utilities, and housing has a higher incidence of substandardness .
As there are broad differences in the economic characteristics of the
State, there are economic differences among communities withi n a r egie2m .
For example, Emmet County has economic resour-ces and economic activ ities
that differ from other Counties in the Northwest Region.
Following is a summary of economic indicators that reflect on the char acter and status of Emmet County's economy.
Data sources reflect Comprehensive Plan finding, census reports, assessors records, sales tax
reports and data published for the Northwest Economic Development
District .
1.

Slightly less than the region average in acreage of commercial
forest (182,700 acres) .
This suggests that the County has a forestry economy that is t yp i ca l
of other Counties in the region .

2.

Based upon 1967 M, E . S.C . data Emmet County had a February unemployment rate of 9.5%.
This dropped to 4.5% in August (av erage 8.0 %
for 1967) .
The County has a high rate of unemployment in comparison with Stat eNational averages . Peak seasonal employment gains br i ng the Cou nty
up to the State average for a brief period in the summer .

3.

Agriculture is a _good basic economic activity, with high spec i a l ization in livestock (dairy, poultry, and other) . The average
agric ultural employment was 300 jobs according to 1 967 M. E . S . C.
U. S . Census findings reflect a declining trend in farm employment ,
bu t an increasing v alue of farm products are sold .

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�4.

Population trends are a general index of overall economic conditions.
Emmet County has maintained a fairly stable population
level for several decades, with the 1990 population being almost
equal to the 1960 level.
Since 1960, however, growth has been
taking place and if the trend continues the 1990 population will
approximate 22,500 persons.
Urban influenced areas will absorb
most of this impact.

So

Tax collections on retail sales give a strong indication of growth
in the retail community.
Between 1962 and 1969, sales taxes collected in Emmet County increased by 68%.

6.

Real Estate values in Emmet County are also increasing at a high
rate.
From Farm Census data, it was reported that the average
value of farms has increased 136% between 1954 and 1964. This
high change results in part from farm consolidation and in part
from increased demands for land on a state wide scale.
County assessment records also indicate strong upward trends in
the value of Real Estate.
In 1968, the County's State Equalized
Valuation was $62.9 million. The 1970 S.E.V. stands at $98,0
million.

7.

Other indices of economic vitality in Emmet County show growth
trends in: wholesale trade sales, retail sales, value added by
manufacturing and bank deposits.

FINANCIAL CONDITIONS
Tpe financial ability of every community must be viewed in terms of a
particular project or community facility.
There are usually two basic
determinants of financial ability:
1.

Legal permissives or limitations on local financing.

2.

Community acceptance of policies of programs to utilize available
financing.

Legal financing limitations are determined by State Statute, and as a
rule there are fewer financing alternatives available to townships than
to cities.
However, townships are permitted to provide and maintain
various acilities, including water mains and sewage collection
systems.

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With a County Department of Public Works, Emmet County could lend
its credit for up to $9.8 million worth of public works (water,
sewage and solid wastes.)
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�A significant finding irom TABLE 7 shows that the Township communities
are accounting for an increasingly larger share of the total County
valuation . In 1968, townships accounted for 63.3% of the total and
by 1970, the proportion increased to 68.9%. Two townships with the
largest valuations are Bear Creek and Resort, and both of these communities are within the urbanizing influence of the City of Petoskey.
Also, both Resort and Bear Creek have substantial lake frontages for
cottage and seasonal home development in locations farther removed
from Petoskey.
·
Five (5) townships which are experiencing pressures from urbanization
and tourism-recreation development are Wawatam, Little Traverse, Littlefield, West Traverse and Springvale. The equalized valuations of these
communities range from 3.3% to 7.5% of the County total . These Townships also increased their share of the County total valuation (except
West Traverse). Even though Pleasantview Township houses major ski
resorts and seasonal home developments, the proportion of total County
valuation is only 2.5%.
The remaining Township communities each account for less than 3.3% of
the County's total valuation. As a general observation, the tax base
of the major urban and tourist influenced townships is broadening and
therefore a corresponding legal ability to finance public improvements
for water and sewage facilities.
Each Township in Emmet County has a different tax rate.
This is because
the local population varies, some Townships support services which others
do not (as a cemetery), local assessments of true cash value vary, and
different school district taxes are involved. TABLE 8 was prepared to
illustrate the combined affect of the variables affecting local tax
levies. The TABLE shows the theoretical situation of a $20,000 home,
and how it would be valued and assessed in each Township.
The basis of most local financial ability is the valuation of all property in the community . This data is used to determine overall bond debt
ability, which can be exceeded by extra voted millage authorized by the
citizenry. Of itself, however, the assessed valuation does not; (a)
reflect the ability of individual families to afford a given tax levy,
(b) show the need for a given project, (c) indicate citizen desires to
have the service.
TABLE 7 gives a comparative list of assessed valuations as equalized
for each community in the County since 1968. Through property reevaluation and some new development, there was a dramatic rise in the
valuations between 1968 and 1969 . However, the $4.28 million increase
between 1969 and 1970 is due largely to new development.

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�TABLE 7
STATE EQUALIZED VALUATIONS BY COMMUNITY
Emmet County

1968
Bear Creek
Bliss
Carp Lake
Center
Cross Village
Friendship
Littlefield
Little Traverse
Maple River
McKinley

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$ 5,570,465
468,150
1,439,470
492,415
635,295
613,121
2,354,045
3,980,654
786,256
1,386,190

1968
Percent
8.86%
.74
2.29

1969

1970

1.01

$10,165,720
720,779
2,803,304
670,454
1,066,485

$10,727,362
726,588
3,050,153
681,558
1,079,342

.98
3.74
6.33
1.25
2.20

1,132,554
4,368,430
6,871,040
1,474,623
2,185,315

1,152,416
4,621,860
6,674,502
1,745,664
2,590,696

•78

1970
Percent
10.94%
. 74
3.11
•70

1.10
1.18
4.71
6.95
1. 7 8
2.64

Pleasantview
Readmond
Resort
Springvale
Wa\Jatam
West Traverse
Total

1,374,852
1,021,384
13,269,882
1,149,967
2,476,770
2,751,859
$39,770,775

2.19
1.62
21.11
L 83
3. 94
4.38
63.25%

2,070,259
1,374,687
16,447,410
3,006,618
5,894,248
3,313,252
$63,564,908

2,426,763
1,447,417
16,602,352
3,284,069
7,366,710
3,405,011
$67,582,463

2.48
1. 48
16.93
3.35
7.51
3. 47
68.97%

Petoskey
Harbor Springs
Total

$19,050,075
4,055,546
$23,105,621

30.30%
6.45%
36.75%

$23,509,704
6,645,088
$30,154,792

$23,758,147
6,661,350
$30,419,497

24.23%
6.80%
31. 13 %

Emmet County

$62,876,396

$93,719,700

$98,001,960

SOURCE:

100.0%

Mr. Alan F. Behan, Director
Emmet County Equalization Department

100.0%

�TABLE 8
TYPICAL TOWNSHIP - SCHOOL PROPERTY TAX
Emmet County
$20,000 HOME AS A BASE
S.E.V. Assess.:::.
ment, 50% of
True Cash Value
Bear Creek
Bliss
Carp Lake
Center
Cross Village
Friendship
Littlefield
Little Traverse
Maple River
McKinley
Pleasantview
Readmond
Resort
Springvale
Wawatam
West Traverse

$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000
$10,000

Totals for Averaging
County Average (Townships)

SOURCE FOR TAX RATES:

Book Value for
Tax purposes
by Township
$

6,940
6,250
9,520
5,340
7,750
5,780
6,620
5,980
9,610
8,260
7,630
4,460
9,350
4,440
8,060
6,490

Typical
Tax Bill
for 1969
$

33 7 .4 2
302 . 25
355 000
307 . 58
286 . 90
342 . 11
399 , 38
349 . 90
343.27
302.65
348 . 46
342.93
326 . 03
391.83
323.32
345 098

$112,480

$5,405.01

$

$

7,030

337 . 81

Mr. Alan F. Behan, Director
Emmet County Equalization Department

The overall differential between the high and low township amounted to
$112.48 in 1969, ranging from $286.90 to $399.38. Altogether, the
township's averaged $337,81.
This illustration of a typical tax on a
$20,000 home is only theoretical.
There are other costs related to
home ownership that are not included, such as special service fees
and other private contractual fees that may include well drilling,
septic tank cleaning, garbage collection and non-county snow plowing.

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�EXISTING PUBLIC UTILITIES

(PART I A . 3.)

AREA-WIDE TRANSPORTATION
Emmet County has access to several major area-wide transportation services.
These relate to the economy of the County in terms of tourismrecreation, industrial development and retail services.
1.

Highways
The most dominant highway feature serving the County is the I-75
Freeway. Although only a small portion of the freeway actually
enters the County, it is accessible from several major State roads
serving the northwest region of the Lower Peninsula, as well as
County roads.
I-75 is a key transportation facility for truckers
who are moving increased volumes of highway freight and tourists
from metropolitan areas who can now visit the County more often on
two day weekends. A second freeway route (US-131) is planned in
future years to enter Emmet County .
US-31 is a major State trunkline passing through the entire length
of the County. This highway links the Mackinaw Bridge (and I-75)
with the County Airport, and the urban areas of Petoskey.
It is
expected that Highway US-31 will continue as a major local facility
to serve business, industry and tourism-recreation.
Future freeways will supplement the functions of this roadway.
US-131 is a major State trunkline entering the County from the
south, and is a major regional access route from the south.
North of Petoskey, US-131 is a scenic road along Lake Michigan
and it links the Harbor Springs service center with Petoskey.

2.

Airports
Emmet County has three public airports, the County Airport at
Pellston, the Harbor Springs Airport east of Harbor Springs and
the Mackinaw City Airport north of Carp Lake.
a.

Pellston
The County Airport at Pellston is the only scheduled commercial
air service facility in the County, and it serves a fi v e Co u nty
area including Cheboygan . Existing terminal facilities are inadequate to serve the increased passenger traffic generated by
the larger fan jet aircraft and increasing numbers of peop l e
who use air travel service.
Runway extensions are underway
and a new east-west runway may be necessary in the next 20
years.
A conservative projection of traffic shows a 1,000 daily passenger load by 1973 . This is a volume comparable to existing
loads at the Bay City-Midland-Saginaw Airport, some 160 mi l es
to the south. Once the runway extensions have been completed
a major air terminal expansion will be made,
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�The Pellston Airport will expand as the area's major air
traffic facility.
It is important, therefore, that residential,
industrial and recreation developments recognize the impact
of jet aircraft and runway approach zones when locating in
the area.
Homes, schools and industries must be planned
around the basic needs of the operating airport and new
demands for community water and sewage services may evolv e
in the area .
b.

Harbor Springs
The City of Harbor Springs owns the County's seco nd largest
air traffic facility in the County. It is primarily a chartered flying service facility, handling executive type aircraft, but no scheduled airline service.
The Harbor Springs Airport is well located near Little Traverse
Bay, major ski resorts, and concentrated areas of recreation
homes.
This produces a year-round market for private-recreational air service between Emmet County and metropolitan
centers in the Midwest.
In the recent five year period, aircraft movements have increased by more than 65%.
The combination of features that make the airport attractive to air
traffic also attract development. Hence, industries, homes
and seasonal-resort dwellings are attracted to the Bay area
and are clustering near to the airport lands.
Some industry
has located adjacent to the airport. The growing use of this
airport and the development of surrounding lands has created
the need to provide community water-sewage facilities.

c.

Mackinaw City
The Village of Mackinaw City owns some 320 acres of land north
of Paradise Lake (also Carp Lake) that has been used for private-recreation air traffic. Having sod runways and no improvements, this landing field receives very minimum use.
The
future of this land for airfield development is not optimistic
and casual private use may be the extent of demand .
Increased demands for use would be greater if an Industrial
Park area were feasible to develop in Mackinaw City or the
lands intervening the City and the Airport.
Until then this airport will have little or no impact on the
area in terms of land use or public facility requirements.

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�3.

Lake Ports
With over seventy (70) miles of Lake Michigan shoreline, Emmet
County has access to the shipping lanes of the Great Lakes . At
present, there is only one major industrial port in the County
and this is owned and operated by the Penn-Dixie Cement Company
in Resort Township.
Penn-Dixie is a major County employer involved with mining limestone reserves along the Lake Michigan
shoreline. Another deep-water port is accessable t hrough
Mackinaw City in nearby Cheboygan County.
Recreation boating is the most dominant uses of local harbors and
marinas. This generates demands for docking facilities and a need
for facilities to handle sanitary wastes from both pleasure and
commercial boating activities. The day has passed when direct
dumping of sanitary wastes in any Great Lake can be permitted,
Recreation craft, lake carriers and foreign freighters must be
required to dump wastes in approved land based community disposal systems.
Natural water ways (rivers, lakes and oceans)
can no longer be considered the "final stage 11 in the sewage treatment process.

WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES
At the present time, complete water and sewerage utilities serve the
developed portions of the Cities of Petoskey, Harbor Springs, and the
Village of Mackinaw City.
The Bay View Association in Bear Creek Township has a water and sewage
system connected with Petoskey, but service is now provided only in
the summer months,
The Bay View water mains are above the frost level
and therefore cannot be used in winter months.
For this reason, the
Bay View dwellings are not occupied during the winter skiing season .
There are a few other water and sewer service extensions near the City
of Petoskey, but these are close to the City limits.
In the past,
Petoskey maintained a policy that services would not be extended unless accompanied by annexation. However, broader area-wide services
from the City's system are now feasible.
The City of Harbor Springs ~xtends water services westerly to serv e
the Tamarack Trails subdivisions and easterly into the Wequetonsing .
Sewage collection services closely follow areas within the City limits .
A more complete in-depth review of water and sewer services in Emmet
County will be prepared in the engineering sections of this County
Comprehensive Sewer and Water Plan.

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�The 1960 Census of Population and Housing provided some basic data on
how County families are being served by sanitary disposal facilities
and community water supplies. TABLE 9 summarizes the significant comparisons between the State and County, including a breakdown for rural
Emmet County. This data should be re-evaluated when the 1970 Census
findings are made available.

TABLE 9
RESIDENTIAL WATER AND SEWER SERVICES
Emmet County
Dwelling Service by Number and Percent
Rural NonFarm
Rural
State of
Emmet County Emmet County Michigan

To t a l
Emmet -Count y

Source of Water
Community System

1,547
29.5%

12
2 . 2%

NIA

NIA

Individual Well

3,318
63.4%

460
82.7%

NIA

NIA

Other or None

372
7.1%
5,237

84
15.1%
556

NIA

NIA

3,746
71.4%

388
71. 2%

85.7%

6,155
77.4%

812
15.5%

64
11. 7%

8.5%

955
12 . 5%

690
13.1%
5,248

93
17.1%
545

5.8%
100 . 0%

Public-Community
System

1,038
19 . 8%

None

Septic Tank

3,272
62.5%

418
75.1%

Other or None

927
17. 7%
5,237

138
24 . 9%
556

7 ~1

Water Service
Hot and Cold Water
in Dwelling
Cold Water Only
in Dwelling
No Piped Water
in Dwelling

801
10 .1 %
7 ,951

Sewa~e Dis;eosal

SOURCE:

U.S. Census of Housing, 1860

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94.0%

6,689
84 .1%

6 . 0%
100.0%

1,262
15 . 9%
7,951
100 . 0%

�The conclusions from TABLE 9 indicate the following:
22.5% of the County's dwelling units have only cold water piped in
the structure or have no domestic water in the dwelling (10 . 1%
none).
This condition affects 1,796 dwellings. Assuming half of
these to be seasonal homes, some 2,900 County residents are without adequate water service (900 d.u. x 3,22 per household= 2,880
persons).
801 dwellings (perhaps 400 permanent) have no water service inside
the structure.
456 dwellings (perhaps 230 permanent) do not have a private well
or community water supply.
Nearly 16% of all dwellings have no community sewer system or
septic tank, hence, either there is no sewage facility or the
dwelling has a privy. This affects an estimated 2,000 residents
in the County.
As may be reasonable to assume, most of the inadequately served units
are in rural nonfarm and rural farm areas, because community services
were not available in 1960. Overall, from 15 to 22 percent of all
dwellings have inadequate utility services, even though up to half of
these may be seasonal . However, both seasonal and permanent residences have minimum adequate facilities for sanitary health reasons
as well as to avoid resource pollution.
SANITARY LAND FILLS (Solid Waste Disposal)
Land fill sites are indicated on the ncommunity Facilities" map. When
needed, additional land fill sites can probably be developed with relative ease, because of the rural nature of the County.
However, it
may prove effective to operate land fills in areas where land reclamation could prove beneficial to recreation developments or other
extensive use adaptations. Not withstanding these objectives, care
should be exercised to ensure that land fill sites have minimum
nuisance affects to home areas, tourist facilities and scenic resources o
Other methods of solid waste disposal, such as incineration, probably
would not be considered unless serious pollution and nuisance hazards
occur from existing methods, or unless technological developments
render other methods more feasible,
In any system of waste disposal,
all communities of the County should seriously consider jointly operated disposal areas . This will reduce the number of active disposal
sites operating at a given time and will facilitate the cost of maintaining lands and equipment .

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�Bliss, Center, Pleasantview and Readmond Townships have no sanitary
land fills operating at the present time. However, these communities
may be cooperating with an adjacent Township.
The Cross Village site
is currently unlicensed . Because of operating costs, several Townships may have to cooperate in the operation of sanitary fill areas .
Another feasible method would be to operate a County-wide system
through a County Department of Public Works,
Existing sanitary fill sites are located as follows:
Carp Lake Township, Section - 2
Wawatam Township, Section - 13 in Mackinaw City
Cross Village Township, Section - 34
West Traverse Township, Section - 3
Little Traverse Township, Section 10
Littlefield Township, Section - 17
Springvale Township, Section - 2
Bear Creek Township, Section - 8
Resort Township, served by Bear Creek
Center Township, None
Readmond Township - None
Maple River Township, Section - 3 in Pellston
McKinley Township, Section - 1
Pleasantview Township - None
Bliss Township - None
Friendship Township, served by West Traverse
As evident from the County's Land Use Inventory, there appears to be
a need for disposal areas for used automobiles and major appliances .
It would be most desirable if these waste items could be delivered
to an industry involved with converting the scrap to usable industrial
metals .
Future solid waste disposal demands will increase as a result of increasing tourist visitation and local population growth.
Some items
that will pose serious disposal problems in the future are:
depreciated mobile homes (permanent and travel vehicles).
discarded automobiles, farm implements and other vehicles.
junked appliances, sporting equipment, etc.
Based on national averages, each 1 U. S. citizen discards about 1,500
pounds of solid waste each year.
At this rate, Emmet County produces over 12,000 tons of solid waste each year .
By 1990, the rate
will be 15,200 tons plus discarded waste from tourists who v isit
the County .

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More recent national averages indicate that each citizen discards
from six to se v en pounds of solid waste every day . This yields
more than a ton of waste per year (2,300 pounds).

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�CENTERS OF TRADE AND COMMUNICATION
Persons who live in rural and unincorporated areas generally depend
upon nearby urban centers (Cities and Villages) for various community services. Hence, it is important for the service center communities to recognize their area-wide roles. For the most part, the
urban centers would have fewer or less adequate serv i ces to offer
were it not for the support of more or less dependent rural areas "
In Emmet County there are several centers of trade and communication
and these vary from one another in terms of size, types of services
and potential for future growth or development. Many of these rural
centers are smaller today than in previous years because of population
out-migration and improved highway access to larger centers such as
Petoskey, Harbor Springs and Cheboygan . Some basic services include:
active recreation, retailing and business services, nonfarm employment, health, education and other services of a social or cultural
nature.
It is not feasible for every Township in Emmet County to
provide all of these services, hence, a natural pattern of urbanrural communication evolves. A key index to the size and influence
of one center over another is the retail base. As~ rule, those
communities which have the highest volume of retail 1ctivity will
also be larger and offer more diverse community wide services o
Although retailing is not the only service of regional importance,
it is a fact that commercial activity is a direct reflection of the
frequency and volume of visits that people in a region make to the
community. Therefore, if people visit the retail center for shopping
purposes, they are likely to patronize such other services as the
post office, library, hospital or a medical office, bank and related
facilities.
In Emmet County, the City of Petoskey has the largest retail-service
influence, and competes effectively on a regional level with centers
as distant as Traverse City and Alpena. The second most influential
County center is the City of Harbor Springs. Of near equal importance,
but influencing the northern portions of the County most is the City
of Cheboygan in adjacent Cheboygan County.
In March, 1969, Emmet County's Commercial Economic Base Analysis was
published under the contract terms of a 11 701 11 Urban Planning Assistance
Granto This report delineated the major retail trade patterns as they
influence Emmet County and communities within the County.
Following
is a summary of findings from the Commercial Base Analysis .
Emmet County has two regional trade areas based upon the retail
potential of Petoskey's downtown shopping area o The primary trade
area was determined to be coterminus with the County boundaries
while the secondary trade area encompasses the County plus the
areas of Charlevoix, East Jordan, Vanderbuilt, Onaway, Mullett
Lake, and Mackinaw City . The larger secondary trade area is based
upon Petoskey's drawing power for major comparison shopping goods
(apparel, furniture, specialty shops, etc.).

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�Of the three Counties, Emmet, Charlevoix and Cheboygan, Emmet
County holds a dominant retail position.
Some 43% of the 1963
retail sales in this region occurred in Emmet . Within Emmet
County nearly 76% of the retail sales volume occurred in the City
of Petoskey.
County areas outside of Petoskey which includes
Harbor Springs, increased their share of the total sales between
1958 and 1963.
Using 1963 constant dollar figures, Emmet County's 1958 retail
sales totaled $25.6 million. This increased nearly 1 7% by 1963,
for a total retail sales volume of $29.9 million . During this
same period, the County population increased by less than five
(5) percent.
This is a strong reflection of tourist drawing
power and regional trade area influence.
Population and retail sales trends suggest the high impact of
tourist sales in Emmet County.
From an estimate of "maximumtt
tourist spending, it was concluded that retail sales and services
expenditures attributed to nonpermanent households total some
$13.7 million in 1962. This increased to $22.9 million by 1966
for an overall gain of 67%.
Regardless of the methods employed,
the tourist retail sector of the economy is strong and increasing at a far greater rate than permanent household spending,
Detailed development plans for Petoskey's downtown shopping area
are published in a separate report on the City's retail economic
base. The details for Harbor Springs are also presented in a
separate 1r701n planning program.
Plans for improving the outlying retail areas of Emmet County are contained in the Emmet
County Economic Base report, under the section "Minimum Convenience Centers" . These pertain to the retail areas of Alanson,
Carp Lake, Cross Village, Levering and Pellston .
Retail sales in Emmet County will be distributed among the various
local centers, each serving a slightly different level of retail
activity,
For planning retail service improvements and enlargements, the County's retail centers were classified as follows:
Major Comparison Shopping Center
City of Petoskey
Major Convenience Shopping Centers
Petoskey
Harbor Springs
Mackinaw City

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�Minimum Convenience Shopping Centers
Alanson
Carp Lake
Cross Village
Levering
Pellston
Minimum Retail Services (General Store or Larger)
Boyne Highlands - Nubs Nob
Wilderness Park
Larks Lake
Bliss Center
Resort Township

Good Hart
West County Line
Brutus
Epsilon
Stutsmanville

The list of retail centers classified by type is an accurate reflection
of the relative importance of one community over another as a center
for trade, communication and community services, For the most part,
these services are available to the residents of the community center
as well as persons who live in the surrounding Township units of
government .
TABLE 10 briefly lists the distribution of various community services
among selected communities of Emmet County.
Because the data on the
TABLE is derived from several sources, each employing slightly different criteria and prepared at different times, column totals are
not too meaningful. However, the 1963 U. S. Census of Business
reports are based upon consistent data and indicates that 69% of the
County's retail establishments are in the City of Petoskey, 17% in
Harbor Springs and 14% in the Townships and Villages. Tourist lodging facilities present a near opposite picture.
Some 62% of the
County's lodging places are in the Townships and Villages, and 38%
in the two Cities ,
Among the smaller Villages in the County, Alanson, Pellston, Levering,
and Cross Village offer a wider variety of community services, According to area population projections, Alanson has the greatest
potential for improving and expanding retail-community services in
the noncity areas of the County.

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For those communities and County areas that have a projected population loss, and should a future loss become a reality, it is
reasonable to expect future reductions in the quantity and quality
of existing service levels.
Except for Petoskey, Harbor Springs and Mackinaw City, none of the
rural communities and villages provide public water and sewer services (refer to map "Existing Water and Sewer Systems").

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�TABLE 10
INVENTORY OF COMMUNITY SERVICES
Emmet County

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(PART I A. 4.)

Emmet County has a diverse resource base that is well adapted to yearround recreation attractions.
This fact, plus the increasing accessibility of the County to tourists from metropolitan centers will cause
accelerated development pressures on the existing resource base. The
momentum of rising tourism, crowded metropolitan centers, new highways, and improved air service may well precipitate local development
related to industrialization and factors other than tourism recreation.
The cumulative impact of the County's latent growth potential will be
accompanied by an urbanization process that will be paralleled by resource depletion . Hence, community water and sewer systems must be
provided to minimize the negative aspects of development . Wood lots
will be converted to building sites, farm lands to neighborhoods, and
lake, river, and stream frontages subdivided in lots . The character
of the County is under pressure to change and as a minimum it will
take community water-sewer systems, good zoning and subdivision control ordinances to assure the most satisfactory patterns of use and
development.
Generally, the processes of urban growth and development results in
the displacement of an area's natural environment. Game habitates,
fishing streams, wooded areas, and farms are displaced by highways,
housing developments, commercial uses and industry. Whether or not
it is feasible to accommodate urban growth and still retain the basic
natural environment remains a challenge to society.
It is known, however, that the continuing pressures of urban growth are placing even
greater demands upon resources which are within commuting distance of
metropolitan centers.
Emmet County's natural resource base must be viewed as an important
element of the ecological structure of Michigan and the Upper Midwest.
Deer hunting, fishing, natural scenery, other outdoor recreation,
and clean waters represent major factors in the local economy and
are attractions which account for the increasing demands upon the
rural environment. As more freeways develop north from Chicago and
Detroit, the impact of urban growth on the County can be expected to
increase substantially.
While it will not be possible to resolve all the County's ecological
and environmental questions in a planning study, it is an objective
of the plan to suggest development patterns that will recognize the
mutual needs of urban uses and the natural resource base.
Implementating the development patterns will be an evolving long-term program
necessitating strong cooperation among citizens of the County, resource
specialists, land developers and government.

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�Some selected natural resources of concern in Emmet County are deer
yards, trout streams, warm water fish streams, canoeable rivers and
principal drainage basins. As a general observation, deer yarding
areas, canoeable waters and the quality trout streams are concentrated
in nearly the same County locations. These resource areas also provide habitat for other game species native to Northern Michigan.
Hence, efforts to preserve these areas in their natural state will
fulfill numerous conservation objectives including a quality outdoor
recreational environment for future generations.
The drainage patterns on the map relate rivers and streams to their
principal watershed areas . It is important that land users in the
County recognize these drainage patterns as certain activities may
contribute to stream pollution or resource depletion. The County
cannot afford these losses if it is to retain the Northern image so
attractive to urban populations which tour the United States.
SOILS
The accompanying 11 Soil Resources 11 map illustrates a refinement of the
County's Land Type map, and presents ten (10) relatively homogenous
soil groups. These soil classifications are based upon their general
physical similarity.
Soils in a group have similar capacity to sustain urban uses and resources development. This map gives a broad
picture of the distribution and comparative quantity of County soil
resources.
Because of the generalized nature of the mapped information,
it is applicable to County planning as an overall development guide or
reference, More detailed soils surveys and/or on-site investigations
are needed for specific uses and site planning.
In determin~ng the general suitability of soils in their natural state
for various uses, the following criterion are applied by soil scientists
of the U.S. Soil Conservation Service:
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presented on TABLE 11.
It is pertinent that about 70% of the area of Emmet County has soil
conditions that are suited to urban development uses.
This also
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�Resort and Bear Creek Townships have from 85% to 90% of their lands
in soils suited to urban development. This is important because these
communities are expected to absorb most of the projected urban development in the County.
It · is unfortunate that soils rated very good for
farming and forestry may be displaced by development in the Petoskey
area.
Vast land areas in the central and west central portions of Emmet
County are well suited for urban and recreation development.
This
means that ski chalets and summer home development can proceed with
few soil limitations. However, there are other planning considerations
necessary to assure that new developments do not destroy the quality
of the natural environment which generates demands for use~and development. Deer yarding areas and sport fishing streams will need protection.
Crooked Lake, Pickerel Lake and the Crooked River Valley through Alanson are positioned among wet soils rated fair to poor for urban use.
Since this is an intensive resort-cottage area, pollution control
measures will become increasingly necessary and a strong need is already apparent.
The Cross Village area is divided among several soil types:
sandy
loams, loose sand and organic soils. The organic soils are generally
in State ownership and hence, may not be a development problem.
However, the loose sands, which occur in dunes and ridges have many development limitations in terms of drifting sand (wind, erosi~n) and difficulty in establishing and maintaining cover.
Development of these
soils will reduce the high scenic value of the area, as many dunes
will be leveled and existing tree stands will be gradually reduced.
The Mackinaw City area and Wawatam Township are on limeston~ formations
and cobbly soils.
These are generally unsuitable for urban•development in their natural state.
Careful and detailed soils analysis can
reveal the nature of development limitations on particular sites.

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large proportion of the soils unsuited for development are in the
north areas of the County. Also, much of this land is currently in
State of Michigan ownership, as part of the Hardwood State Forest.

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�TOPOGRAPHY
The accompanying topography map illustrates the slope characteristics
of Emmet County's natural landscape.
From a County-wide view, there
is a great deal of variety in land formations, which include:
flat
lands, gently rolling, rolling to steep, and very steep slopes.
Elevation gradually increases from north to south, with some of the
highest hilltops in Pleasantview and Springvale Townships.
The discussion which follows describes the topographic characteristics
of each Township in the County. As a general statement, there are a
number of areas that have limitations to development in terms of
urban density development. However, these limitations become scenic
attractions in communities that cater to tourism-recreation activities.
Resort

Topography in Resort Township is gently rolling
with picturesque contrasts between cultivated farm
land and patches of wooded area.
Some steep landscape follows the Lake Michigan Shoreline, mostly
in the Penn-Dixie mining area.

Bear Creek

- Land forms in Bear Creek Township tend to be more
severe than in Resort.
From a development point of
view, it is well that the incidence of steep topography lies well south and southeast of Petosk~y and
can be avoided by expanding urban development.
Some
10 sections of land are affected by steep topography.

Springvale

- Except for areas generally within two miles of Crooked
Lake, Pickerel Lake, and the Minihaha Creek Valley,
Springvale Township is influenced by steep slopes.
Not all of this area can be considered prohibitive
to development, but it does present some severe
limitations.
The flat areas around the lakes are
separated from rolling lands by a large band of
steep slope area,

Littlefield

- Topography has almost no development limitation
on this community.
Some moderate to steep slopes
exist in the extreme northwest area.

Little Traverse - The southern tiers of sections in this Township are
generally flat or gently rolling, although incidences
of steep slope are present. A large area of steep ·
topography affects the eight sections in the northeast area,
West Traverse

- Topography in West Traverse Township varies from
rolling to steep and is steep in most sections.
The rolling and gently rolling land is found north
of Harbor Springs and east to the Township line.

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�Friendship

- Except for some areas near Stutsmanville and Middle
Village, Friendship is characterized by moderately
steep to steep topography.
Other incidences of flat
and gently rolling land is scattered among the steeper
slope lands.

Pleasantview

- A band of flat land extends north-south through this
community.
Steep to very steep topography is found
in the southwest and southeast areas, where the Boyne
Highlands and Nubs Nob ski resorts are located. Moderate to steep slopes are found in the northwest and
northeast sections.

Maple River

The west one-third of this community has moderate to
moderately steep topography but few steep areas.
The
land character in the east sections is flat with some
incidence of swamp.

McKinley

- McKinley Township has a varied land character.
Extensive swamp land is positioned along the east line
and flat but drier sections extend along the south.
Some nine sections in the northwest portion are
moderately rolling, with very little incidence of
steep,

Center

- Rolling to moderate slope areas are found in the extreme northeast sections, while moderately steep to
steep topography influences a large area in the southwest. A wide band of flat land (high incidence of
swamp) traverses the community from southeast to
northwest.

Readmond

- Readmond Township's physiography resembles Friendship. Most of the landscape is characterized by
moderately steep slopes and there are incidences of
steep.
Gently rolling and moderate slopes are found
in the north and west areas and in the sections near
Good Hart.
There is considerably more developable
land along Lake Michigan in Readmond than in Friendship.

Cross Village

- Steep topography is limited to the Mccort Hill area
in Section 5 and in portions of Sections 2 and 3.
A steep ridge parallels the shore of Lake Michigan
from the south to the Wycamp Lake area,
Rolling
sand dunes are found in the northern sections.

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�Bliss

- Bliss Township is predominantly flat with incidences
of swamp.
Some moderately steep landscape is located in the central, south and southeast area.
Incidences of steep slope can be found near Bliss
Center and among the sand dunes along Lake Michigan.

Carp Lake

- Gently rolling to moderately rolling topography is
present in the southwesterly seven and one-half
(7 1/2) sections. The remainder of the community
is relatively flat and there are swamp lands to the
southwest and northwest.

Wawatam ·

- Overall, Wawatam Township has the flattest topography
in Emmet County.
The topography map reveals only a
gradual fall in elevation from the southeast to
north Township Line.

The foregoing analysis of the County's physiography is limited in respect to detail.
U.S.G,S. data on a County-wide scale at the 20 foot
contour interval is effective as a general reference for slope data,
but cannot illustrate the variety of slope change that can occur within a given 20 foot interval.

DRAINAGE PATTERNS
In addition to indicating slope, topography defines the surface drainage pattern of the County. This information is useful in water-sewer
system planning, because the drainage pattern influences the extension
of sanitary sewer mains. Whenever a topographic barrier is encountered,
there are specific construction costs related to the following:
excess pipe to circumvent the barrier.
lift stations, force mains and booster pumps to overcome a change
in elevation.
costly excavations to maintain satisfactory grades on the collector
mains.
possible need for duplicate treatment facilities (lagoons, plants,
etc.).
additional time needed for installation of the system.
Following are some general observations relative to sanitary sewer
service areas based upon the County's principal drainage pattern:
A sewage system in Pellston would have the physical capacity to
serve a large regional area.
Pellston is also a potential industrial area.

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�,
Alanson is reasonably well situated to serve a large·drainage area.
Although new industry may be limited, recreation, tourists, and
year-round home demands will be significant.
Poor soils and flat
terrain suggest a serious need for urban services in the Alanson,
Oden, Crooked Lake area.
Large areas of Bear Creek Township fall within the natural drainage
pattern of Petoskey's sewage collection and treatment system . However, east Pickerel Lake and East Mitchell Roads lie in another
drainage basin .
Most of Resort Township's drainage pattern lies in basins which do
not run toward Petoskey. Natural drainage is in the direction of
Walloon Lake .
Harbor Springs has a large drainage area, Hence, the City can be
analyzed as a source of sewage treatment for surrounding Township
areas that are urbanizing.
Cross Village is positioned just south of the dividing line of two
drainage basins.
The northernmost areas of Emmet County lie in two principal basins;
Bliss Township is in the westerly basin and WaWatam Township is
easterly. Carp Lake and Wawatam Townships are largely in the Carp
River basin. The Village of Mackinaw City is in a sub-basin.
All of the drainage basins on the map reflect large overall drainage
patterns . Within each there are small sub-basins that would affect
the detailed engineering of specific community sewage collection
systems.
WATER RESOURCES
In Emmet County, a prime use of water resources is for recreation,
mainly in terms of swimming, boating, fishing and wildlife management.
Howev er, water resources are necessary for municipal water systems,
individual wells for domestic water and irrigation . Hence, it is
essential that the County's water resources are protected from pollution and depletion.
Lake Michigan is a major water reserve for recrea~ion as well as municipal water supplies in the Petoskey area. Municipal water in Harbor
Springs is obtained from ground sources via four wells .
For the most
part, the r emaining County areas rely on individual wells .
On the basis of general state-wide data prepared by the Water Resources
Commission of the Michigan Department of Natural Resources, most of
the area of Emmet County is in glacial deposit areas with fairly high
yields of ground water.
The lower yield areas are found mostly in
Resort Township, Wawatam Township and northern Bliss Township . However, individual wells in specific locations may have high or low
yields depending on local geologic conditions.
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�In addition to Lake Michigan and ground water resources, community
water systems may be developed from rivers and smaller lakes.
Emmet
County has seven (7) inland lakes, of which three are positioned in
urban growth areas (Round Lake, Crooked Lake and Pickerel Lake). Also,
the U. S. Soil Conservation Service has identified nine (9) potential
water impoundment locations on the rivers of the County.
For the most
part, surface water resources other than Lake Michigan, would only be
of use in recreation-resort locations, and detailed engineering
feasibility will be necessary to determine the suitability of any
surface water for domestic consumption.
Some discussion of the quality of domestic water resources is contained
in Part III of this "Sewer and Water Plan'' report .

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�AGRICULTURE, LAND PATTERNS, AND TRENDS : (PART I A. 5.)
Farming and agricultural activities have two major influences on each
community. First is the income derived for rural families and other
services that are supported by farming.
Second is the value of farms
as a resource for open space, wildlife support, and environmental
breaks with developed urban areas.
Farming has become a highly complex operation requiring skilled operators and huge investments in mechanical equipment and land.
This
is evidenced by the fact that the average value of farms in Emmet
County increased 135% between 1954 and 1964. Also, the character of
farming i s moving in two directions, one of increasing farm acreage
and the other toward intensive farming where crops are scientifically
managed to include complete climate control. Over and above this is
the influx of artificial foods; items developed through laboratory
chemistry.
Part of the national trend in agriculture can be observed from TABLE
12, which summarizes selected farm data for Emmet County.
In the 10
years between 1954 and 1964, the average size of a farm increased by
nearly 50 acres or 32% , Overall, there was a 51% decrease in the number of farms in the County.
Employment also decreased markedly .
In
1950, the U.S . Census listed 632 persons employed as farmers and -farm
managers.
By 1960, this occupation group declined to 228 for a percentage loss of 64% .
While farm size has been increasing and the number of farms and total
acreage has been decreasing, farm production has been increasing along
with the average value per farm.
This is a good index of the economic
advantages of the large scale farm and why this trend is taking place.
Better and more productive yields are taking place.
TABLE 13 shows the value of farm products
1959, the value has increased nearly 38%,
State of Michigan.
The trend since 1954,
as there was a decline from 1954 to 1959,
and 1964.

sold in Emmet County .
Since
compared with 23% for the
however, is not as optimistic
and an increase between 1959

Of the two categories, livestock and corps, it is evident that livestock farms are most valuable.
Between 1959 and 1964, livestock farm
product sales increased $528,000 compared with $208,000 for crops.
Dairy and poultry were the most important growth factors, as other
livestock increased slightly.
Field crops accounted for over 60% of the sales increase among crops.
Forest products and vegetables gained some, while fruits and nuts
experienced sales decreases,

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�TABLE 12
SELECTED FARM CHARACTERISTICS
Emmet County

Farms by Size
1 - 99 acres
100 - 499 acres
500 - 999 acres
1,000 acres and over
Totals

Land in Farms
% of County Land in Farms
Average size of Farms
Average Value of Farms
Farm Operators residing
on farm

Farm Census
1964
1954
382
439
13
3

145
247
17
4

-237
-192
+ 4
+ 1

-

837

413

-424

-

51%

123,478

80,841

-

35%

42%

27%

148
acres

196
acres

+ 32%
acres
+136%

$ 16,698

+$9,680

512

389

-123

1,682

U.S. Census of Agriculture

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62%
44%
+ 31%
+ 33%

+ 48
acres

$ 7,019

Persons in Farm Operator
households

SOURCE:

1954 to 1964
Change
No.
%

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�TABLE 13
VALUE OF FARM PRODUCTS SOLD
Emmet County

All Products Sold
Farm Average
Crops

1954

1959

1964

$1,715,495

$1,311,707

$2,071,272

1,943

2,484

5,015

834,220

451,066

659,119

338,828

243,963

381,121

a.

Field Crops

b.

Vegetables

25,848

33,390

55,832

c.

Fruits and Nuts

28,744

30,376

15,751

d.

Forest Products

440,800

143,337

206,415

881,275

860,641

1,389,415

61,540

34,715

261,994

Livestock
a.

Poultry

b.

Dairy

561,606

390,355

651,230

c.

Livestock

258,129

435,571

476,191

SOURCE:

1964 and 1959 United States Census of Agriculture, U.S.
Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census, Vol . 1, Part
13, Michigan.

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�A final assessment of the value of agriculture to Emmet County can be
established from a general rule of thumb, that each dollar earned in
farming turns over about 2.3 times. Hence, the $2.07 million produced
from farm sales in the County has an estimated multiplied impact of
some $4,761,000.
This is a significant local economic factor that
should be retained to the fullest extent possible .
In Emmet County, owner occupied farm trends may be estimated from data
on farm operators residing on farms.
The 1964 Census of Agriculture
showed that 94% of the County's farm operators resided on the farm.
Also, the average farm supports a resident population of 4.07 persons,
well above the average County household size of 3 , 33 persons.
The fu ture of agriculture in Emmet County is uncertain, because of
national events and local pressures for land that may or may not
occur. The trend, however, shows farm acreage declining, and farm
population declining.
However, the value and size of a farm is increasing.
It is reasonable to conclude that the value of farm land will increase
as a result of tourist demands for rural land.
This will cause farm
acreage to decline further, lessening the impact of agriculture as an
economic activity (employer).
Farm productivity may decline as well .
On the other hand, national-international demands for farm products
may give new economic incentives for preserving and expanding vital
agricultural activity.
In terms of the relative importance of agriculture, Emmet County
ranked 57th among the 82 counties in farm product sales. Hence, 57
counties are agriculturally more significant. Another index shows
that Emmet County has a high percentage of nonfarm income to supplement farm product sales (17th of 82). This is an index showing decreasing reliance upon farming activity for basic income.
LAND PATTERNS
The a c companying map illustrates the generalized existing land use
pattern in Emmet County. TABLE 14 summarizes the acreages and proportions of uses by Township areas and City-Village areas. APPENDIX
TABLES 1 and 5 present the detailed land use acreages for each community with totals for the principal Supervisory Districts.
It is
noted that whenever City-Village data is statistically portrayed,
only that portion of Mackinaw City, which lies in Emme t County, is
included . No land use data for the Cheboygan side has been tabulated,
however, it was inventoried and mapped. Also, data for Petoskey and
Harbor Springs were taken from land use studies prepared for those
communities under separate planning programs.

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�TABLE 14
EXISTING LAND USE
Emmet County

All To'wnshiE..§_
Residential

703 acres

To·t al Counti
2,094 acres

Percent
DeveloEed Total
9.1%

778

37

815

3. 6%

Public

2,357

154

2,511

10.9%

Quasi-Public

2,754

301

3,055

13.4%

Recreation

7,372

206

7,578

33.1%

Commercial

203

129

332

1.5%

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429

114

543

2.4%

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374

102

476

2.1%

4,830

635

5,465

23.9%

Seasonal Homes

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1,391 acres

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Total Uses

Vacant, Farm g
Forest
Surface Water
GRAND TOTAL

20,488 acres

2,381 acres

22,869 acres

100.0%

7 . 8%

2 58,932

3,453

262,415

88.9%

9,485

301

9,756

3 . 3%

2 88,905 acres

6,135 acres

295,040 acres

100 . 0 %

�Inventory Techniques
The study of land use in the Comprehensive Plan has several objectives
related to understanding the County's present development and guiding
future planning decisions.
Foremost, the land use inventory provides
both a graphic and statistical picture of the County, emphasing the
impact of man-made features.
The inventory of existing land use was accomplished by field inspections, conducted during the summer of 1968. Each use of land was
recorded on field maps and later transcribed to base maps. The field
inspection technique is not 100% accurate since all uses in buildings
are not apparent from the street and there may be uses in wooded areas
and on large private properties generally inaccessible by vehicle.
Common limitations are accurate counts of apartments within multiple
family dwellings and seasonal homes in forested areas.
Overall,
however, the field inspection technique is a valuable means of assessing the character of uses, and it consumes less time and cost than
other inventory systems (such as reviewing all tax records or photographic interpretation). Nevertheless, aerial photographs, U. S.G.S .
maps, and interviews of local officials were used to resolve questions
on property usage.
It should also be noted that the use of land
changes continually in all communities, hence, the data must be v iewed
in terms of the date inventoried.
Use Classifications
Because there are many and varied uses of property in Emmet County,
it is necessary to calssify them into meaningful groups. This is
essential to assist in analyzing the information as well as to
simplify understanding the total picture .
Following is a list of how the County land uses were classified:
Residential

- Includes three separate categories:
One-family
dwellings, two-family dwellings, and dwellings
with three or more units.
Cottages and seasonal
homes were also inventoried.

Commercial

- For ease of statistical analysis, all retail and
business uses are grouped into one category. However, each use was inventoried and it is possible
to show shopping center uses, tourist lodging and
general commercial activities .

Industrial

- Identifies manufacturing industries, welding services, machine shops, cabinet shops, saw mills and
similar uses primarily involving the production,
processing and fabrication of goods . Also, warehouses, truck terminals, enclosed and open storage,
junk yards, bulk fuel depots, gravel pits, contractor yards, lumber yards and similar activities .

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�Public

Quasi-Public

- All governmental uses and buildings including schools.
Includes municipal offices, hospitals, D.P.W. garages
and yards, fire stations, community buildings, libraries, post offices, the County Airport, public
cemeteries and similar uses.
Includes uses which are semipublic in nature, such
as:
churches, parochial schools, fraternal lodges,
utility substations, private cemeteries, Country
Clubs, Ski Resorts, private parks, radio and TV
Towers, etc.

Parks

- Public recreation uses, including parks, public access sites, playgrounds, roadside parks, campgrounds
and related.
Includes the Petoskey and Wilderness
State Parks, but not State Forest Land.

Streets and
Railroads

- Includes alleys, streets, roads, highways and railroads in use as of the summer of 1968.

Water

- All principal bodies of surface water including the
measurable waters of the Crooked River.
Lake
Michigan harbor waters are not included.

Vacant, Farm
and Forest

- Encompasses unused open land in tracts or lots, farm
land except dwelling areas, and forested areas.

Emmet County's total area is 461 square miles, which is equivalent to
295,040 acres.
Of this area, less than eight percent is used for housing, business, industry, community services, recreation and transportation. Another three percent is in major surface water area, including inland lakes and the Crooked River.
Some 88.9% of the County
is land classified as vacant, farm and forest,
Lands in vacant, farm
and forest are most apt to be consumed by other uses as the County
grows.
Soils, topography, land ownership and the economic strength of
farming will determine those lands that will be consumed first.
As an illustration of existing County development, all of the County's
roads, highways, railroads, parks, airports, and other land uses, except farmed or forested land could roughly fit into the area of one
Township (McKinley for example). That is if all of the urban uses
and services were concentrated. However, every community has varying
amounts of development and uses are widely scattered throughout .
At the present time, the Cities and Villages of the County have over
3,453 acres of undeveloped land.
If future permanent housing were to
concentrate in Village-City areas where central utility services may
be available or could be provided, the County could absorb nearly
8,000 new families without losing one acre of farm land. The Township's of course have vast areas of open land that could be developed.

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�POTENTIAL FOR RECREATION AND TOURISM
The potentials for recreation and tour•ism in Emmet County must be
viewed in terms of the position of the County in Michigan, and the
availability of quality resources and existing recreation developments designed to accommodate tourists .
Situated in the northern most portion of the Lower Peninsula, Emmet
County has landscape features and environmental characteristics which
differ significantly from down state areas.
This of itself is a
major attraction force, as people from crowded metropolitan areas
travel northward to benefit from cooler climatic conditions, cleaner
outdoor air and unpolluted waters. To the extent that these resources
can be protected from despoliation, the transient tourist economy will
continue to grow at a rapid pace.
Regional Potentials
Millions of people live within a days drive from Emmet County, and
the trip becomes easier and safer as freeway construction continues
northward.
Tourists in Emmet County travel from many states and
foreign countries, but are primarily from Michigan, Ohio, Indiana
and Illinois. Regional access is provided by freeways, highways,
airports and the Great Lakes waterways.
Resource Potential
The resources of Emmet County were described in previous sections of
this report. However, the greatest potential for tourism-recreation
is related to the waters of Lake Michigan. Winter tourist visitation
is enhanced by major ski resorts developed among prominent topographic
features.
Hence, topography, climate and water oriented recreation
combine favorably in the County and improved regional access (I-75)
permits increased patronage. At this writing, some undeveloped
shoreline remains along Lake Michigan and on some inland lakes o If
these areas are "walled off" by development, the general potential
for tourism-recreation will be more restricted.
It is recommended
that the sand dune areas north of Cross Village be included in a
public recreation area. This will prevent an outstanding resource
area from the ravages of soil erosion and septic tank pollution .
The inherent recreation values of resources in the County reflect
the continued losses and depletion of resources in metr' opoli tan areas.
Strong efforts will be needed to establish water and sewer serv ices
in resource areas where recreation home development may threaten the
quality of lakes, streams and ground water.

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�Cultural Potential
Emmet County has a history rich with cultural interest . The history
of the Indian community is colorful and relates closely with miss'ionary
activities in the region. This is substantiated by the numerous
monuments and historical markers throughout the County . Fort Michilmackinac is another major historical-cultural feature that attracts
thousands of visitors annually.
Efforts are now underway to establish an Indian Cultural Center north of Petoskey. If effectively
implemented, this center could become a major attraction feature for
tourists and at the same tj~e provide cultural educational services,
Economic Potential
If tourism-recreation is to have its full potential realized, there
must be provision for private investment. A major investment in yearround tourism development is Boyne Highlands.
Some other significant
private investments in tourism-recreation include:
Nubs Nob Ski Resort;
Country Clubs; Bay View Association; Harbor Point Association;
Wequetonsing Association; Hidden Hamlet and similar recreation home
developments; marinas; campgrounds; fee fishing ponds; and numerous
motel-hotel accommodations throughout the County.
Based on the Commercial Economic Base Analysis for Emmet County, total
tourist spending in fiscal 1962 - 1963 was estimated at about $13 . 7
million . This increased by about 50% through 1966-1967, for a total
volume of about $20.0 million. As long as metropolitan growth continues as in the past, increases of this magnitude can be expected
to continue .
Using established rates, tourist spending has been increasing at about
16% annually . If the trend continues, tourist spending may reach some
$140,000,000 by 1990. This reflects strong and continuing gains in
the tourist economy of Emmet County.
TRENDS IN COMMERCIAL USES
As a general land use standard commercial uses in urban communities
make up about three (3) percent of the developed land area,
In
Emmet County, the percentage of commercial land is 1.5%, However,
these two figures are not fully comparable because of the large
acreages of County land in roads, highways, regional community services and large recreation sites tend to distort percentage relationships.

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�On the basis of the land use inventory several physical trends were
discernible among commercial land uses.
These are summarized:
1.

The City of Petoskey provides region-wide retail services and
has the largest concentration of commercial land use . Of some
272 retail establishments in the County, 143 are in Petoskey
(53%). Remodeling, expansion and the development of new centers
in and near Petoskey reflect the strength of this retail community.
The tourist impact is noted from numerous retail establishments that close during the winter months .

2.

Harbor Springs is another important retail center, that reflects
strong tourist activity in the summer season.
Resort homes and
harbor facilities reflect seasonal trends to a high degree.
New
and remodeled stores indicate good trade area drawing power.

3.

Alanson is in a growing market area reflected by the fair to good
condition of stores as well as traffic activity in th€ retail
center . Some market may be lost to competing centers because of
congestion and lack of convenient parking.

4.

Mackinaw City has a high tourist impact that is evident from
seasonally operated stores and numerous tourist services (motels,
restaurants, gifts, etc.).
Several new establishments reflect a
steady tourist market.

In the smaller community areas, particularly the rural townships,
commercial uses are operating on a more marginal basis.
Some stores
have been abandoned and there are fewer retail services because of a
decline in the year-round population. However, several quality tourist
services are established in rural areas.
In the urban influenced townships, new commercial uses are locating along County roads and Sta~e
Highway's. This is a reflection of broader market areas, scarcity of
land in established centers, and the need for larger business sites .
Retail Sales
One of the more accurate indices of retail-commercial trends are sales
statistics o Based on the data published in the U. S. Census of Business
Reports, Emmet County has attained a consistent record of retail
growth .

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�TABLE 15
RETAIL SALES BY YEAR
Emmet County
Year

Reported Sales

1958
1963
1967

$24,930,000
$29,977,000
$38,109,000

SOURCE:

U. S. Census of Business

It is significant that total retail sales in Emmet County increased
by $13.2 million since 1958 . Not counting the impact of inflation
this is a gross sales increase of 52.9%.
Some other significant trends show the following:
Emmet County is holding its relative position in terms of percent
of sales retained in the three County Regi0n of Charlevoix,
Cheboygan and Emmet.
The County share of retail services increased in the three County
Region of Charlevoix, Cheboygan and Emmet.
County areas outside of the City of Petoskey attained a larger
share of the total County sales .
Retail Center Plans
Future retailing in Emmet County cannot be measured with· the same accuracy as past and existing trends.
However, all of the projection
indices of metropolitan growth, local population increases, and tour..i.st
business projections established a sound economic basis upon which to
plan retail center improvements.
The actual impact of future development within the major trade areas of the County will determine which
centers can be improved or expanded to the greatest degree.

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�Retailing in Emmet County has a bright future in terms of the following:
The County is a geographic terminus for tourist travel in the
northern Lower Peninsula. It is a major destination area.
Interstate freeways link the region with growing metropolitan
centers . There is excellent access from Detroit and Chicago
oriented routes are improving.
The County is centrally located within a complex of major ski
resorts and benefits from year-round tourist business on a high
level.
Local population growth is progressing at a reasonable rate, and
gains have occurred in diversified manufacturing.
Although the County has experienced growth, much of the development
has concentrated in the Petoskey-Harbor Springs area.
Several northern
Townships are expected to hold a stable permanent population, with some
slight growth.
If past trends continue, a few rural Townships may
lose population.
Following is a summary of retail center plans for Emmet County:
1.

Petoskey CBD Plan
The long range development plan of Petoskey's Central Business
District is described and illustrated in detail in the report
and plan of Petoskey's Central Business District a separate
report funded by the HUD "701" Program, The overall objective
of Petoskey's CBD Plan is to create a central community area
that is attractive and can function as the comparison shopping
and governmental focal point of a wide regional area; including
rural Emmet County.

2.

Harbor Springs
The City of Harbor Springs has a sound base upon which to plan
future retail center improvements. These relate to the high
value investments in seasonal homes in and adjacent to the City,
large marine facilities and services, and the increasing popularity of winter sports activities in nearby areas .
In the County Plan, Harbor Springs is classified as a major convenience center and has a large convenience trade area.
It is
expected that the City will expand as a major retail center in
the County and probably will progress to include more comparison
shopping facilities.
Specific plans for Harbor Springs retail center have not been prepared as a part of this report, since the City is engaged in a
separate comprehensive planning program .
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�3.

Mackinaw City
Although the central retail area of Mackinaw City is not in Emmet
County, this community and the City of Cheboygan exert a strong
trade influence in the northern Townships of Emmet County . For
the purposes of Emmet County's retail center plan, it is assumed
that Mackinaw City will pursue programs to plan and improve retail
areas .
Hence, the City will retain or increase its share of the trad e
area's retail market .
Being positioned out of the County, no specific retail center plans
for Mackinaw City have been prepared .

4.

Minimum Convenience Centers
In addition to the larger City retail trade centers, there are.
several villages and unincorporated places that provide minimum
retail facilities.
These minimum retail centers provide services
ranging from a general store to several shopping center uses, as
in the Village of Alanson.
In addition to a general store, however, the minimum convenience centers are supported by tourist
lodging facilities and perhaps some general commercial activity
as well.
Following is a description of the six Minimum Convenience Centers
in Emmet County. The basic design principles expressed in these
plans relate to:
Consolidation of scattered retail uses into expanded retail
shopping centers.
Provision for off-street parking to increase retail sales
capacity.
The addition of landscaped areas and street trees to make the
centers more attractive.
a.

Alanson Center
Behind Petoskey and Harbor Springs, the Village of Alanson is
the third largest retail center in Emmet County. Alanson's
retail activity should be concentrated on US-3 1 with parking
behind the stores. If possible, a large community park should
be developed aiong the Crooked River. This would attract
tourists, boating enthusiasts and fishermen who use the River
at Alanson. A large central park i ng lot would be able to serve
the retail stores as well as the park facility.

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�b.

Carp Lake Center
Retail services in Carp Lake are largely tourist oriented, and
there are numerous tourist lodging facilities situated around
the Lake (Paradise Lake), Existing center uses include:
two
gasoline stations, one marina and boat livery, one sporting
goods and hardware store, a grocery store and several motels
and cabin courts. The existing pattern of development is
crowded, there being little room for expansion and very limited
parking.
Future expansion at the Carp Lake Center will be difficult and
expensive to achieve because of existing development . However,
if an expanded market is desired, two critical objectives must
be reached.
First, the retail area must be enlarged to provide
room for building expansion and off-street parking.
Second,
some landscaped open space should be provided to develop open
views of Paradise Lake.

c.

Cross Village Center
The retail potential of Cross Village is strongly oriented to
the summer tourist season. However, it is reasonable to expect
some lake lot subdivisions to result in year-round resort dwellings. Also, there are a number of farms located in the surrounding area to support basic services.
Cross Village's retail inventory includes: two gasoline stations,
two gift shops, one grocery store, a large inn, and small snack
bar. The plan for future development illustrates a gradual
"filling in" of retail uses between these basic uses . Offstreet parking is located so as to serve the retail stores
and act as scenic turnouts for views over Lake Michigan.
Landscaped setbacks are sugges~ed for State Road to evolve into a
scenic route to the sand beaches and boat landing, which may
be expanded into a larger marina or harbor.

d.

Levering Center
Retail services in Levering are limited to one hardware store,
although several other commercial services are located on US31, out of the Village's former retail center .
Levering's plan is based on the potential attraction force of
a "County Ghost Town".
The original retail shops are mostly
vacant, as former retail enterprises have ceased or moved to
US-31. Another possibility is the development of a pre-1900
retail street. Under this possibility, the existing buildings would be restored to their original design.
The main
street could be cobblestoned and made to function like a
pedestrian mall. All parking would then be provided behind
the stores (east side).
The restored buildings could then
be used for actual retail services (groceries, drugs, gifts,
etc.).
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�If the Ghost Town or Old Town theme does not evolve, retail
services will probably continue to develop on US-31 since
there would be little attraction to pull travelers off the
highway.
e.

Pellston Center
Pellston is the largest Village in the County and has the
largest concentration of permanent homes outside of the
Petoskey-Harbor Springs area.
The future plan for retail development is relatively uncomplicated emphasizing basic retail concepts.
These relate to
retail use concentrations, off-street parking, and a beautification plaza or mall to act as a focal point. Added to this
would be architectural improvements and pleasing center
appearance.

5.

Other Minimum Shopping Facilities
The previous paragraphs described various shopping areas in Emmet
County . In addition to these, there are other locations that may
develop commercially and these may include shopping center type
uses.
Based upon the distribution and compositi0n of competing retail
areas in the County, ten (10) other locations have possible longterm future retail center development.
The location of the ten potential retail centers are listed below,
roughly in the order of their development importance:
1.

Boyne Highlands - Nubs Nob Area

2.

Wilderness Park

3.

Larks Lake

4.

Bliss Center

5.

Resort Township (Intertown and Resort Roads)

6.

Good Hart

7.

West County Line on US-31

8.

Brutus

9.

Epsilon

10.

Stutsmanville

The actual priority and timing at which these centers may develop,
will be dependent upon the rate of future County growth and the
distribution of that growth among the sixteen Townships.
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�TRENDS IN INDUSTRIAL USES
The generalized Existing Land Use Map of Emmet County illustrates the
location of industrial uses. However, the term industry encompasses
many different types of land uses with industrial characteristics,
and is not restricted to manufacturing operations. In addition to the
manufacturing and fabrication operations, the industrial use classification includes enclosed storage, open storage, private gravel e x traction areas, junk yards and related uses.
It is important to
recognize the inclusion of uses that are by nature nonmanufacturing.
The typical urban community has about nine percent of its developed
land area in industrial type use . In Emmet County, all City and
Village communities average about five percent and the Ccunty 2.4
percent .
It is to be expected that the County and its constituent
communities would have a below average proportion because of the
County's regional location.
Nearly half of the County's developed industrial land is in the communities of Petoskey, Resort Township and Bear Creek Township. The
Penn-Dixie Cement Company in Resort Township is the largest industrial
use in the County and it supports the largest employment.
Several
smaller industrial plants have located in the urbanized area of
Petoskey, near the Harbor Springs Airport and in Pellston. For the
most part, manufacturing uses are limited in size and number . Moreover, their locational pattern reflects the attraction forces of
transportation media (airports, railroads, highways and harbors),
concentrated labor markets, housing areas and access to other urban
services such as water and sewer facilities.
EMPLOYMENT BY OCCUPATION
In terms of employed labor force, TABLE 16 on the following page
indicates the breakdown by occupation within the County . These
figures are converted to percentages and compared with the State
of Michigan.
Some general observations can be drawn from the table.
Those occupations contingent to farming are somewhat higher than the state
average .
Craftsmen and operatives are lower than the State . This
was also found to be true in xhe City of Petoskey .
(See Petoskey
Industrial Study, March, 1969).
The Managers and
than that of the
tourist trade in
similar to State

Officials group and Service Workers groups are higher
State . This reflects in part on the motel and
the region. The remaining categories are relatively
averages.

As noted on the TABLE, the categories most oriented to manufacturing
industries (craftsmen, operatives, laborers) hav e a smaller percentage
of the employed labor force than the State average . This is partly
attributed to the dominance of retail employment to serve recreationtourist services, as well as the general lack of industrial activity
in all rural regi0ns of the State.
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�TABLE 16
1960 0CCUPATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS
Emmet County

Major Occupational Group

Emmet County
Number
Perc·ent

Michigan
Percent

Relation to
State

Professional, Technical
and Kindred

550

10.6%

11. 5%

Farms and Farm Managers

228

4.4%

2.2%

Higher

Managers, Officials and
Proprietors

632

12.2%

7.3%

Higher

Clerical and Kindred

581

11.2%

13.9%

Sales Workers

411

7.9%

7 . 4%

Same

Craftsmen, Foremen and
Kindred

666

12.9%

15.4%

Same

Operatives and Kindred

681

13.2%

22.2%

Much Lower

Pvt. Household Workers

254

4.9%

2 . 2%

Higher

Service Workers

635

12.3%

8.7%

Higher

78

1.5%

0 . 9%

Higher

Laborers

326

6.3%

4.0%

Higher

Not Reported

132

2. 6%

4 . 3%

5,174

100.0%

100 . 0%

Farm Laborers and Foremen

TOTAL EMPLOYED
SOURCE:

U.S. Census of Population, 1960

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Same

Lower

�TABLE 17 shows the County's employed labor force by industry group,
ranked in terms of importance in a 12 County Region.
It is significant that Emmet County had the second highest employment base for
major service industries including retail trade. Manufacturing ranked
fourth and agriculture fifth.
Industrial Pl·an Elements
Based on the existing employment characteristics of the County and
general economic conditions related to manufacturing industry it can
be concluded that:
The area's economy is premised on a retail-service trade, based
primarily on tourist spending and will probably continue as such
in the future.
The labor force of Emmet County is oriented to service-retail
occupations and is lacking in the manufacturing skilled labor.
The region is removed from the major metropolitan centers of the
State and thereby removed from large labor markets, major triansport systems and market areas.
Labor diversity is a limiting factor in attracting industries that
are able to function in this economic area of the State.
Future industrial development may occur on isolated parcels until
some basic changes in transportation systems of the area are completed.
Future population growth will be affected by future industrial
development as well as increased tourist recreation services.
Emmet County is a major recreation service center in one of the most
impressive resort areas of the Midwest, which extends along the entire Lake Michigan shoreline.
The smaller and more northerly centers
that dot this shoreline rely to a heavy extent on tourist spending.
It- may be possible to see small scale machine shops, fabricating
plants, circuit production and similar industries come to Emmet
County at a gradual pace as in the past. The diversity and pace
of future industrial development will be affected by The following:
There may be a natural trend toward industrialization in the
smaller urban areas as an answer to problems of overcrowding
in major metropolitan areas.
Open lands suitable for industrial development near the Pellston
Airport may spur substantial economic growth in this central
region of the County.
This will generate both industrial and
domestic demands for community sewer and water services.

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�TABLE 17
EMPLOYEES BY MAJOR INDUSTRY GROUP
Emmet County

'19'50
Agriculture

Rank in 12
· co·u nty_ Ar·ea_

844

7th

24

5th

3

Construction

1960

Rank in 12
COU!l,_!y Area

366

5th

10th

0

12th

420

1st

468

3rd

Manufacturing

924

2nd

681

4th

Utilities

337

2nd

336

3rd

1,195

2nd

1,447

2nd

Business &amp; Personal Services

795

1st

568

2nd

Other Services

579

1st

891

2nd

Public Administration

189

-2nd
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183

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5,387

2nd

5,174

2nd

16,534

2nd

15,904

2nd

Forestry &amp; Fishing
Mining

(J"1
G)

Wholesale and Retail Trade

Total Employed
Total Population
SOURCE:

U.S . Census of Population
Twelv e Counties in the Northern Region o f the Lower Peninsula.

�Other significant industrial growth areas may evolve at Mackinaw
City, and near the Harbor Springs Airport. Again sewer and water
demands will be generated.
The provision of new community water-sewer systems as well as the
expansion of existing systems.
Although not underway at this writing, a detailed Industrial Economic
Base Analysis and Plan will be prepared for Emmet County under the
11
701" Urban Planning Assistance Program. When completed, a more
precise analysis of industrial locations in the County will be available .
TRENDS IN RESIDENTIAL USES
Residential development in Emmet County assumes three basic forms.
First, is the urban density development in City-Village communities,
second, is the rural farm and rural nonfarm dwellings scattered among
the Township communities, and thirdly, the resort-vacation homes occupied on a seasonal basis, largely by families from distant metropolitan centers.
Each of these housing types exert basic pressures
for development and each type has a slightly different impact on the
lands and resources of Emmet County.
From the viewpoint of sewer and water utility services, the higher
density urban development in City-Village areas requires complete
water-sewer utilities. Competing for second priority needs are low
density housing areas close to City-Village areas and the higher
density seasonal home areas (as the one-hundred foot lots along lakes
and rivers). Rural farm and rural nonfarm homes exert lower priority
demands because of large individual building sites .
The need to promote concentrated residential development in Emmet
County is dramatized by the land to population ratio .
Emmet County's
total surface area (land and water) is 295,040 acres. Assumimg
all of this was available for use and equally divided among the County's
1970 population, there would only be some 16 acres of land per resident.
By addition in tourist demands and deducting land in forests
and nonresidential purposes, the available acreage would be much less .
In 1960, Emmet County's population was 15,904 persons occupying 4,696
households (3.33 persons per household).
Of this total, 48% of the
population lived in the urban communities of Petoskey and Harbor
Springs.
Seventy-three (73) percent of the population lived in the
County area encompassing the Townships of Bear Creek, Little Traverse,
Littlefield and Resort; and the Cities of Petoskey and Harbor Springs .
Hence, the remaining twenty-seven (27) percent of the population was
divided among the twelve remaining Townships.
This is an a v erage
350 persons per Township.

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�Population projections for Emmet County show a possible 22,500 persons
by 1990. Of this total, some 18,510 persons are expected to live in
the six (6) urban oriented communities listed in the preceding paragraph (82% of the 1990 total).
The 1990 projection suggests an, increase of 2,060 permanent dwellings
over the 1960 total . Of these added units, only 370 are projected to
impact the Township's away from urban communities . This is an average
growth rate of about sixty permanent dwellings per year plus the repair and replacement of older depreciated units.
In 1960, Emmet County reported 2,560 seasonal housing units. This
represented some 32% of all housing in the County, both occupied and
1 The rural nonfarm areas had over forty-seven (47) perunoccupied ,
cent of their housing classified as seasonal . Comparable data on
seasonal dwelling constructed since 1860 is not readily available,
however, a substantial number of seasonal homes were constructed in
"Chalet Villages" near the ski resorts, on inland lakes, and on Lake
Michigan. Adding in trailers used for seasonal occupancy, it is
probable that more than half of the current rural nonfarm hou sing is
seasonal.
For residential planning purposes, it can be expected that urban resi_,dential demands will be greatest in and near Petoskey, moderate in
the Community areas of Harbor Springs, Alanson and Mackinaw City,
and slight in the outlying rural service communities .
The type of home most in demand is for three bedrooms and ov er (80%
to 90% of the market).
Only ten (10) percent of the market is for
efficiency, one bedroom and/or two bedroom units. 2 There is a strong
demand for three and four bedroom homes for families with incomes
under $6,000 per year.
Seasonal or recreation home demands will be strongest in those areas
that have multiple recreation use potential . Hence, a vacation home
that can offer ready access to skiing facilities, swimming beaches,
scenic views, forests, hunting and fishing will be in greatest demand,
Residential Planni~oncepts for Emmet County
Based on the analysis of County housing demands and population trends,
the following planning concepts should be used to guide future residential development in Emmet County:

1

2

According to the Emmet County Equalization Department, the proportion
of seasonal homes to permanent homes is still about one-third in 1969.
Mr. Ken Peterson, Realtor and Mr. Cy Jordan, from questionnaire
interviews assessing the real estate market in the five year
period prior to January, 1969 .

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�1.

Recognize the fact that all land in the County will not and should
not be developed. That which is developed for residential use
should fit into logical service areas for schools, parks, shopping
and related.

2,

Scenic resources are integral elements of the County's economy .
These should be protected so that the character of the County
remains attractive and desirable for both permanent residents
and visitors.

3.

Wildlife is important to Emmet County as are forest and vegetative
resources.
Development patterns must recognize ecological factors
in the environment. Hence, swamp lands, wooded areas, streams
and related resources must be protected from pollution and depletion .
If present in the area, natural resource areas can extend into
urbanizing areas as open space wedges and recreation sites.

4.

Access to lakes and streams becomes more scarce each year .
View
existing undeveloped lake-river frontages as resources to be protected,
Encourage water oriented development to form in cluster
development patterns, rather than parcel off the frontage on a
100% individual access basis,
Cluster patterns can provide more
recreation home sites per foot of water frontage than the traditional subdividing method. Moreover, the scenic shore or river
bank will be protected.

5,

County roads normally provide access to farms and nonfarm homes
in rural areas, Traditional developments follow the existing
road patterns until the frontage is gone and large internal
vacant areas remain.
Preferably, small service roads and cluster
developments should extend from the County road rather than serve
individual unit frontage.
This will keep the roadway safer for
abutting developments and more efficient for traffic needs.

6.

Organize communities t~ promote and establish housing for low
income families and retirement age citizens. A review of housing
needs among Indian families should also be initiated .

The approach to the Residential Plan for Emmet County considers the
foregoing as concepts to guide the overall design of the Plan .
Residential Areas Plan
The "Residential Areas Plan" map illustrates several factors that
will influence the configurations of future housing areas in the
County,
These are:
Resource areas that should remain in a natural condition to
support broad scale resource management programs and ecological
balance.

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�A highly tentative flignment for a future express type highway
through the County.
The basic County road - State Highway network which interconnects
the functional land use areas of the County . Some suggested
route changes have been included.
Key resort attractions and facilities wherein seasonal home construction is likely to continue.
Existing urban communities and concentrated housing areas.
The above factors were mapped and evaluated in terms of the pattern
of soil resources, topography, deer yard areas, quality fish streams
and existing land use.
These topics were discussed in previous report sections.
On the basis of the above, a generalized pattern of logical future
housing areas evolved.
In the communities of Petoskey, Bear Creek
Township and Resort Township, the Residential Plan is bas d on
neighborhood and residential plans for those communities. 2 These
Petoskey Area findings are considered to be a part of the Emmet
County Residential Plan, including any modifications and amendments
that may be made from time to time.
The methods used to delineate the urban residential areas near
Petoskey are the same as the methods used to determine urban residential areas in other County areas. Major highways, railroads,
public lands, steep topography, soils poorly suited to development
and related features were used as boundary references for residential areas.
On the 11 County Residential Plan 11 map, long-range urban neighborhood
areas were combined to form larger community areas. Each of the
community areas may be further divided into one or more neighborhood
units. The number of neighborhoods will ultimately be determined by
the density of population within each unit and the geographic size
of the community.

1

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The mapped expressway is an interpretation of a general State Highway Department proposal. The route, however, is in an alignment
which appears to support basic planning conclusions for the County.
The final alignment may vary substantially from the tentativ e routing illustrated.
Vilican-Leman &amp; Associates, Inc., Residential Areas, Petoskey Area
Planning Commission, January, 1969.
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Following is a discussion of the general community areas mapped on
the irResidential Areas Plan":
1.

Petoskey Area
Area 1
Altogether there are nine residential areas in and near the City
of Petoskey and the Townships of Bear Creek and Resort. These
vary in size, some containing several planned neighborhood units.
The neighborhood units, however, are not delineated in expectation
that they will be fully developed within 20 years.
It may be appropriate to view the neighborhoods as basic "planning units" or
simply as residential areas.
Persons who build homes and purchase lots in the neighborhood
areas have the knowledge that they are in logical home areas.
On a long term basis, they can expect to be within a reasonable
distance from planned elementary schools, local recreation
areas, and community water-sewer-utility services.

2.

Harbor Springs Area
Areas 2, 3, 4 and 5
The Harbor Springs Area Residential Plan is presented in four
(4) basic areas. Area 2 can probably be divided into two neighborhood units, centered on a large resource area for open space recreation. Area 3 has the potential of being divided into four
neighborhoods. The exact number will depend on actual growth, the
ratio of seasonal homes to permanent residences, and the acreage
devoted to recreation-community uses. Area 4 encompasses most of
the existing developed lands in Harbor Springs. Area 5 is positioned along Little Traverse Bay and is predominantly a recreation
home area at this time. Development will be attracted to this area
by the scenic qualities of Little Traverse Bay.
Some negative
aspects relate to the flight path of the Harbor Springs Airport
and the rather narrow shape of the area.
Overall, Areas 2 thru 5 indicate the probable impact areas for
future high density residential development. As in the Petoskey
area, the capacity population of these areas exceeds the projected
growth.

3.

Round Lake Area
Areas 6, 7 and 9
The Round Lake Area of Emmet County is a sort of development crossroads where the urbanizing influence of Petoskey, Harbor Springs
and Alanson come together.
Round Lak~ also generates development
influences by virtue of water oriented recreation, home sites, the
Petoskey State Park, the Harbor Springs Airport, Conway and Highway interchanges.
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Planning and arranging land uses in the Round Lake area is complicated by the narrow highway corridors (US-31 and M-131) created
by Lake Michigan, Round Lake and Crooked Lake. Added to this is
a general mix of existing land uses, an incidence of poorly drained
soils, and absence of urban utility services.
The potential routing of a north-south freeway through this area,
will result in accelerated pressures and demands for land . Hence,
the Townships and communities involved must allocate land resources to housing, industry, tourist lodging and general commercial before it is too late to decide the best growth pattern.
Zoning will then be necessary to enforce decisions on the best
uses of land .
4.

Crooked Lake Area
Areas 8, 10 and 11
Crooked Lake is an established tourist housing area . The most
concentrated recreation home areas are found along the north shore
in and near Oden.
Pickerel Lake to the east is also developed with seasonal homes
and new units are being constructed along undeveloped shore area.
The entire Crooked-Pickerel Lake area is limited for development
by poorly drained soils.
The problem is particularly acute along
the shoreline where the demand for lake front home sites is
greatest. As a result, quantities of sewage effluent on the
surface of the ground and in the lake have reached a point of
serious pollution hazard.
This is an area which clearly demonstrates planning deficiencies in terms of :
(a)

carrying capacity of soils and land resources .

(b)

substandard and out-moded development standards .

(c)

inadequate traffic routes to serv e local and regional traffic ,

(d)

disregard for land use relationships (mix ed uses) ,

(e)

failure to implement central utility services prior to
intensive use of land.

The above points underscore some major problems affecting the
Oden-Crooked Lake area and it will likely result in expens iv e
community improvements to correct past mistakes ,

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�5,

Alanson Area
Area 12
Alanson is an incorporated Village and is the County's third
largest retail service center , Retail services, the Crooked
River, and a new school will attract additional development
in and near Alanson. School enrollment increases since 1960
are factual evidence of continued growth.
The Valley of the Crooked River in Alanson is characterized with
soil and drainage conditions similar to areas near Crooked Lake.
Poor drainage and swamp conditions establish unstable building
conditions that will become more acute unless community sewer
and water systems are installed.

6.

Pellston Area
Areas 13 and 14
The community of Pellston is an incorporated Village located in
portions 6f two Townships.
This community is important because
it is adjacent to the Emmet County Airport, hence, a potential
source of added economic development for the County as well as
a major transportation terminal in the northern Lower Peninsula .
One manufacturing plant has located adjacent to the airport, and
others may be possible in the future .
A problem in accommodating residential growth is relating to
existing community service facilities, while avoiding the flight
~aths of major runways. There is also a land squeeze in Pellston,
because the existing Village is surrounded by public lands,
some poor soil areas, a major highway, and airport approach
zones.
It is difficult to cluster new housing because of the
factors listed above.

7.

Mackinaw City Area
Area 15
Mackinaw City supports a relatively low year-round population
because of the seasonal nature of the economy . Moreover, the
community is situated in two County's: Emmet and Cheboygan .
Most of the retail services, shopping and tourist lodging
facilities are in Cheboygan County, while many of the seasonal
and year-round dwellings are on the Emmet side.

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The demand for residential land in Mackinaw City will be determined by successes in developing industrial land, especially_
those activities that require access to Great Lakes shipping lanes .
Also, the extent of tourist services will bear on added employment to sustain a larger year-round population . Potential industrial areas are located in Emmet County and these are linked
by rail to port areas and are readily accessible from the I-75
Freeway.
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Cross Village Area
Areas 16 and 17
Cross Village is located in a highly scenic area of Emmet County .
Developed on a high bluff, there are commanding panoramic views
over Lake Michigan, views which are especially dramatic during
sunset periods. Cross Village is also an historic Indian Mission
site.
Significant year-round employment opportunities in Cross Village
may be difficult to realize. Highway access is limited, there
are no railroads and existing community serv ices are oriented
to rural and tourist markets. Additional seasonal home development is the most likely economic impact that can add to the Community.
Cross Village has excellent Lake Michigan orientation
and it lies between the attraction forces of Wilderness State
Park and the ski resort areas to the south.
Since rleasure
boating on Lake Michigan is a highly attractive tourist activity,
harbor, beach and lake front park developments at Cross Village
could enhance community development potentials.

9.

Other Residential Areas
Even though the Residential Plan outlines a wide number of potential
residential areas that can be planned and serviced to house concentrated patterns of development, a large proportion of new homes
(seasonal and nonseasonal) will locate on tracts of land throughout
farm and nonfarm areas. Although this scattering development
should not be promoted as a planning principle, it can be less
of a problem with careful attention to ground water resources,
soils and overcrowding.
The problems of overcrowding and the mixed use character of developments on Crooked Lake and Paradise Lake must be avoided on the
other inland water resources of the County . If developers anticipate high density subdivision activity, then immediate concern
must be given for community water supplies and sewage treatment
services.

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�WATER RESOURCES

(PART I A . 6.)

The general discussion of water resources is included in the report
section covering Natural Resources.
Specific information on the
quality of ground water supplies, well logs and community water
resources is contained in PART III of this Comprehensive Sewer and
Water Plan.
PART III contains the conclusions and recommendations
of the consulting engineers who participated in the preparation of
this report, McNamee, Porter and Seeley,

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�LONG RANGE FINANCING PLAN

(PART II B

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There are various bonding approaches and financial methods that local
units of government in the State of Michigan employ for the financing
of major water system and/or sewer disposal and collection facilities .
The following are the most commonly used in Michigan:
1.

Contract Bonds sold on the provisions of Act 185, P . A. of Michigan,
1957 as amended, commonly known as the Department of Public Works
Act.

2.

General Obligation Bonds sold under the prov isions of City and
Village Charters and Act 202, P.A. of Michigan, 1943 as amended,
commonly referred tQ as the Municipal Finance Act .

3o

Revenue Bonds sold pursuant to the provisions of Act 94, P.A . of
Michigan, 1933 as amended, commonly known as the Revenue Bond Act.

4.

Special Assessment Bonds sold under the provisions of Act 188,
P.A. of Michigan, 1954 as amended, and/or the Municipal Finance
Act.

PUBLIC ACT 185
Each of the above mentioned financial arrangements has certain advantages to the issuing municipality o The one that seems to combine
all the advantages and the one that is enjoying the greatest use, at
this time in Michigan, for the financing of major capi t al improvement
water and sewer programs, is the Department of Pubic Works Legislation,
Act 185 . Under this legislation, local units of government may enter
into a contract with the County Board of Commissioners .
The contract between the County and the contracting municipality,
provides, among other things, that the local unit has the right to
pay contractual commitments for debt service charges from many and
varied sources.
Contractual obligations incurred in behalf of the
local unit of government are exempt from any charter or statutory
tax or debt limitations. This is a key advantage from the standpoint
of the small community that finds itself facing the problem of financing several new public facilities at the same time . In many instances
where communities with a low tax base are confronted with the major
capital improvement programs, it is often advisable for that community to save its local bonding capacity for those projects that
cannot be financed through the County Department of Public Works.
Article 9 of the 1963 Michigan Constitution, provides that the local
unit would have an unlimited taxing power to meet the contractual
commitment to the County.

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�The unit of government requiring water and / or sewer serv ice may contract with the Emmet County Board of Commissioners for the acquisition
and construction of said facilities. A contract would prov ide for
semi-annual principal and interest payments to be made by the local
unit of government to the County for the liquidation of County Bonds
sold to finance the improvement. Under the provisions of Act 185,
the local unit has numerous financial alternatives whereby it can
meet the contract payments to the County. Mainly these are:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

ad valorem taxation
water and/or sewer user charges
connection charges
debt service charges
general fund allocations.

From the foregoing, it can be readily determined that the local unit
of government has many options available to it.
These options combine the advantages of both the general obligation bond issue and
the revenue bond issue as well as the special assessment financing
arrangements . Many communities in Michigan are financing water and
sewer programs through the Department of Public Works and liquidating
the contractual obligations by both connection charges and water/sewer
user charges.
Such an approach eliminates the need to tax residents
in the community that may not be served by the proposed facility
and places the utility on a self-sustaining user pay basis .
GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS
If the local units in Emmet County were to elect to finance water and
sewer projects within their own statutory limitations, the general
obligation bond, from the marketing standpoint, is the most attractive.
However, the provisions of the Municipal Finance Act (Act 202), limits
the amount of general obligation bonds that may be outstanding at any
one time, to ten percent of the local unit's latest state equalized
valuation . Local charters may provide for a lesser bonding capacity
than the ten percent as provided by state statute . General obligation
bonds must be submitted to a vote of the people. Even though a local
unit may offer general obligation bonds, and pledge the full faith and
credit of the municipality, they could, nonetheless, employ water and / or
sewer user charges as a means of liquidating the debt and possibly
eliminate the need for an ad valorem tax spread ,

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ACT 94.

REVENUE BONDS

Many communities in the State of Michigan, because they found themselves faced with the problem of bonding capacity, turned to the provisions of Act 94 and offered revenue bonds for the acquisition of
water and sewer facilities.
The revenue bond, under the provision of
Act 94, does not require a vote of the people but is authorized solely
and only by the adoption of the bond ordinance by the looal units of
governing body.
The marketing problems inherent to the issuance of
Act 94 bonds are somewhat more rigid and consequently, interest charges
are somewhat higher than normally experienced on general obligation
bonds or Act 185 bonds.
STATE AND FEDERAL AID
As a result of the favorable "Clean Waters Bond Issue" election held
State-wide in November of 1968, the State of Michigan has monies
available with which to fund a new grant program for water pollution
control facilities.
Under the provisions of enabling legislation,
cities, villages, townships and counties may receive up to 55% of the
total project cost in the form of State and Federal Aid.
Four Federal agencies presently have grant-in-aid programs available
to municipalities for the construction of water distribution systems
and sewage disposal facilities.
These agencies are:
1.
2.
3.
4.

The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
Farmers Horne Administration (FHA)
Economic Development Administration (EDA)
Federal Water Pollution Control Adrninistration.(FWPCA)

Much news is being generated by the Congress, regarding inadequate
funding of the foregoing Federal programs in the past few years and
every effort is being made to remedy that situation4 At the present
time, Congress is considering substantial increases in the appropriations to once again fund the Federal programs for basic water and
sewer construction grants. The proper procedure for applying to these
agencies for financial assistance is to secure Form SF-101 of any of
the regional offices of the above mentioned Federal Agencies and
process them . Once the form has been prepared and signed by the
local unit, it should be returned to that agency, from which it came,
where it will be reviewed and assigned to the appropriate Federal
Agency having jurisdiction over the applying municipality .

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�ACT 188 .

SPECIAL ASSESSMENT BONDS

Public Act 188 of 1954 stipulates that a township with a State Equalized Valuation of at least $7,500,000 may issue special assessment
bonds on petition signed by not less than 51% o f the district requiring
improvements, pledging full faith and credit of the township.
Only
Bear Creek and Resort Townships now qualify in Emmet County.
Act 188 Bonds may be issued in an amount not to exceed 3 % of the assessed valuation per year without a vote of the electors and with a
maximum of outstanding bonds at any time of 12% of the assessed v aluat i on . With an affirmative of the electors, the maximum 12% may be
issued in one year. These bonds are retired by special assessments
against the benefiting property.
The assessments may be spread over
a maximum period of 30 years and if any assessments default, they
revert to the Township at large.
Therefore, in order to sell the
bonds, it is necessary to have a vote of the electors to prov ide for
the necessary millage should a default arise.
If the equalized valuation of the Township is less than $7,500,000,
then the Township must use Act 116 of 1923 which requires a petition
signed by 65% of the district requiring improvements and prov ides
that no annual installment of the assessment may exceed 15% of the
assessed valuation of the property.

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PLAN UPDATING PROPOSAL

(PART II C . )

It is recommended that consideration be given to the formation of a
County Department of Public Works or similar department (as outlined
in Part II B) for the purpose of keeping the Comprehensive Sewer and
Water Plan up-to-date. This department would:
1,

Be responsible to the County Board of Commissioners, yet relieve
the Board of working on time consuming details.

2.

Be in a position to determine project priorities which may change
in response to the demands of any given future date.

3.

Keep abreast of current methods of financing and federal assistance
programs. In rural areas, the Farmers Home Administration Programs
will be important.

4.

Work with the local and state health departments in order to establish programs for achieving and maintaining the increasingly more
stringent water quality standards as established by the Department
of Natural Resources,

5.

Insure the best utilization of existing and future resources within
the County for the planning and construction of public works projects.

6.

Provide overall technical leadership for sewer and water planning,
including assurances that facilities are competently operated and
maintained by a qualified staff.

7.

Be flexible to assist smaller units of government with system
development, especially in terms of extending financial abilities
through full faith and credit backing of County valuation .

As a particular project is planned, the services of a competent bonding attorney and bonding consultant should be obtained to assist in
the financial planning of the project.
The determination of sewer and water needs is directly related to land
use . Hence, the County Board of Commissioners should establish procedures whereby the Department of Public Works or any other responsible
committee, works in close coordination with the County Planning Commission.
If there is County-wide zoning, then the County Zoning Commission will be brought into the water and sewer planning process also .
Perhaps the single most important responsibility of the DPW, outside
of its financial objectives, is to determine project priorities . To
best perform this, the County must plan and execute individual projects
within the framework of the overall County Sewer and Water Plan. Township Boards, the County Board of Commissioners, priv ate land developers,
the Health Department, and various other planning groups will initiate
many of the project proposals.
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Because of the importance of the Comprehensive Sewer and Water Plan,
efforts must be made from time to time to reappraise the Plan and update the proposals outlined therein.
The frequency with which the updating process occurs will depend on the pace of future land development, major new directives on pollution control, an~/or unforeseen
changes in the quality of existing water supplies. The Plan should
probably be given a thorough review every ten (10) years; sooner if
major new land developments impact the County.

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�COMPREHENSIVE SEWER AND WATER PLAN:
PART III

�COMPREHENSIVE SEWER &amp; WATER PLAN
This section of the report encompasses PART III of the Comprehensive
Sewer and Water Plan, and describes the salient features of existing
systems and proposed improvements.
WASTE WATER COLLECTION AND TREATMENT
Due to the importance of the water resources in Emmet County, it is
vital that they remain of the highest quality.
To insure this
quality, improved waste water treatment facilities are required .
As a result of the Federal Water Quality Act of 1964, a number of
communities in the County have already taken steps to provide new or
improve existing waste water treatment and collection facilities.
The Federal Water Quality Act required all states to establish upto-date water quality standards,
The Michigan Water Resources Commission has complied with this act and has obtained approval from
the Federal Water Quality Administration of the standards it has
established.

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Early in 1969, communities in the State, including some in Emmet
County, received stipulations from the Michigan Department of Natural
Resources.
These stipulations stated that these communities would
provide secondary waste water treatment, if they were not already
doing so, and would provide facilities for the removal of a minimum
of 80 percent of the total phosphates from the waste water influent
to their treatment facilities.
The stipulations also provided for
consideration of a lesser degree of treatment than would be accomplished with a secondary process. However, the Water Resources
Commission had stated that if the treatment method employed did not
achieve a minimum 5-day Biochemical Oxygen Demand removal, Federal
grant monies would not be available.
The Cities of Petoskey, Harbor
Springs and Mackinaw City have made every effort to comply with these
stipulations and each has plans and specifications for waste water
treatment improvements completed or being prepared. A large portion
of the present population will be served by these improv ements .
Following is a discussion of the existing waste water collection and
treatment facilities, existing problem areas, and proposed improvements within Emmet County.

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�Existing Facilities
At the present time, the Cities of Petoskey, Harbor Springs and Mackinaw
City have collection and treatment facilities.
The resort communities
of Harbor Point and Wequetonsing also have sewers and treatment facilities and the Bay View Association has sewers only, with treatment
being provided by the City of Petoskey.
Boyne Highlands provides waste
water treatment also.
It is estimated that approximately fifty-three
percent of the year-round residents of Emmet County are served by
these collection systems.
1.

Petoskey
The City of Petoskey is served by a separate sewer system; that is,
a sewer system for waste water and a storm sewer system for surface
water runoff.
The City's waste water is given primary treatment at
a plant located at the mouth of the Bear River.
It's location is
shown on the map, "Existing Sanitary Sewer Service." The plant
was originally constructed to use a chemical precipitation process .
However, as the degree of treatment was not appreciably increased
by the addition of chemicals, this process was abandoned and the
waste water had been given primary treatment only since November,
1969. The area presently served by the Petoskey treatment plant
is shown on the map "Existing Sanitary Sewer Service."
Harbor Springs
The City of Harbor Springs also has existing storm and sanitary
sewer systems. There is some ground water infiltration into the
sanitary sewer system and possibly some storm water connections.
Fine screening and disinfection of the waste water is prov ided
and it is then discharged into Little Traverse Bay without
further treatment. Discharge was originally at the shore line
but around 1960 the outfall sewer was extended out into the bay .
The Harbor Springs service area is shown on the "Existing Sanitary
Sewer Service 11 map.

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Mackinaw City
Mackinaw City is served by separate sewer systems . The service
area for the sanitary system is shown on the existing service
area map, as ls the location of the City's existing treatment
plant. The existing plant is similar to an Imhoff Tank and provides the equivalent of primary treatment. Primary sedimentation
is accomplished in the upper part of the tank and solids digestion
in the lower sections.

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Harbor Point
The community of Harbor Point provides its own waste water collection and treatment system. An Imhoff Tank followed by disinfection is the treatment process used.

So

Wequetonsing
Wequetonsing has a sanitary sewer system with treatment by means
of an Imhoff Tank.

6.

Bay View
Bay View also has a sanitary sewer system. The waste Water is
pumped to the Petoskey Plant for treatment.

7.

Boyne Highlands
Boyne Highlands provides for its own waste water treatment with
2 1/2 acres of lagoons.
Effluent from the lagoons is by infiltration into the ground through the bottom of the lagoons.

Existing Problem Areas
The existing treatment facilities discussed above, with the exception
of Boyne Highlands, are not adequate and will not meet present water
quality standards. Problems also exist in areas of the County not
served by the above sewer systems. As previously mentioned, the
areas around Crooked and Pickerel Lakes and along the Crooked River
have poorly drained soils and high ground water levels. These conditions will prevent the proper operation of septic tanks and drain
fields.
A sewer system and treatment plant to serve this area is
required . However, sewer systems of this type, around lakes, are
characteristically expensive. A greater length of sewer is required
to serve any given number of dwellings and ground water is normally
high around lakes requiring costly dewatering or trenches prior to
the installation of sewers.
A potential problem exists in Pellston. The majority of the lots
within the Village are small, 50 feet wide by 160 feet deep, particularly in the Business District where they are 25 feet wide by 150 feet
deep o These sizes do not provide sufficient area to operate both
private wells and septic tanks on the same lot without potential health
hazards.
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�Planned Sewer Facility Improvements
A number of waste water treatment improvements in the County are being
planned at the present time. They are as follows:
Petoskey
The City of Petoskey recently awarded contracts for the construction
of a new 2 . 5 million gallons per day, design flow, waste water treatment plant which is to be located in Magnus Park in the City. The
existing treatment plan is to be abandoned and the waste water will
be pumped to the new treatment plant by means of a pumping station to
be constructed near the existing plant site. The new facility will
provide primary treatment, secondary treatment utilizing the activated
sludge process and tertiary treatment by microstraining. The treatment effluent from the new plant which will be of a very high quality,
will be discharged into Little Traverse Bay approximately 1,100 feet
from the shore line.
It is anticipated that phosphate removal will
be well ov er the 80 percent minimum requirement. The new treatment
plant, which was designed by McNamee, Porter and Seeley, Consulting
Engineers for the City, has a design capacity to serve nineteen
thousand people in the design year 2000. This design population
includes both permanent and seasonal residents in the City of Petoskey
and adjacent areas in Resort and Bear Creek Townships . The 1990 and
year 2000 service area boundaries and the location of the new treatment plant is shown on the Future Water and Sewer Service map . These
boundaries are based on anticipated future development and their
location may vary from that shown depending on where this development occurs" McNamee, Porter and Seeley have developed a General
Sewer Plan for the City of Petoskey in which provisions were made
for conducting the waste water from the townships to the new treatment plant. However, no sewers as yet have been designed in the
Townships . Plans are to continue to treat the waste water from the
Bay View Association at the Petoskey Treatment Plant.
Bear Creek Township has obtained the serv ices of Williams and Works,
Consulting Engineers, to study waste water collection and treatment
in the Township.
Harbor Springs and Little Traverse Township
The City of Harbor Springs and Little Traverse Township have joined
together in the formation of a waste water treatmen t authority . The
authority has recently received bids on a new treatment facility
which was designed for them by Williams and Works . Treatment will
be aerated lagoons followed by disinfection and spray irrigation.
The phosphates are utilized by the vegetation growth on the area on
which the lagoon effluent is sprayed . Therefore, no separate phosphate
remov al facilities are required . Spraying will be done during the
summer months with storage provided for the waste water during the
winter months. The location of the treatment facility, which is to
be constructed on a 320-acre site, is shown on the ''future Water and
Sewer Service Area" map.
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�Harbor Point and Wequetonsing have contracted with the City of Harbor
Springs for waste water treatment. Waste water from the Conway area
will a l so be treated at the authority's facility . The area to be
served by the authority is shown on the map "Future Water and Sewer
Serv ic e Area''. The treatment facility is designed to serve a population of 2,500 in the winter and 4,500 in the summer to the 1990
des i gn year o
Prior t o the design of both the Petoskey and Harbor Springs - Little
Trav er se Township Projects, McNamee, Porter and Seeley, acting f8r
t he City of Petoskey, and Williams and Works, acting for the Authority,
worked jointly on a study of the feasibility of incorporating the two
proposed t reatment facilities into one larger facility which would
serv e t he entire area. A number of possibilities were studies, but
due to the distance between Harbor Springs and Petoskey and the
relatively little development between the two Cities, it was found
to be more economical to proceed independently as planned.
Alanson and Littlefield Township
Due to the problems previously discussed around Crooked Lake and along
the Cr ooked River, the Village of Alanson and Littlefield Township
hav e jointly obtained the services of Williams and Works for the
purpose of making a study for waste water collection and treatment.
Wor k on this study was begun just recently and no recommendations
have been presented to date.
Some of the possibilities being considered by the engineers are:

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being treated at the Authority's proposed facility.

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Alan s on and Littlefield Township contracting with the Authority
for waste water treatment at the Authority's facility.

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Al anson and Littlefield Township either joining or contracting
with the Authority and the Authority treating the waste water
fr om this area at a second treatment facility to be cons t r u cted in Littlefield Township.

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Alanson and Littlefield Township remaining independent from the
Harbor Springs - Little Traverse Authority and constructing
the i r own waste water treatment facility .

Regar dless of the results of the engineer's study as to the most
feasib l e and economical method, it is encouraging that the Village
of Al ans on and Littlefield Township recognize the present problems
and are taking steps to eliminate them .

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�Mackinaw City
The firm of Johnson and Anderson, Consulting Engineers for Mackinaw
City, are preparing plans and specifications for a new waste water
treatment facility which is to be constructed in the near future.
Current plans are to abandon the existing treatment_ plant and pump
the waste wat er to a new treatment facility to be located on a 60
a cre s ite southwest of the City . Treatment will be by lagoons
with d isinfection and spray irrigation.
Storage will be provided
for the waste water for 6 months during the winter . The facility
will serv e the area within Mackinaw City only . The design is based
on serving a population of 6,000 people in the year 1985 .

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Township and Mackinaw City will have a design capacity to serve a
t otal of 29,500 people, which is nearly 50% greater than the 1990 projected year-round population of Emmet County .
Should Alanson and
Littlefield Township provide waste water collection and treatment,
the abov e total capacity of treatment facilities will be even greater.
A very high percentage of the present population will be provided with
waste wat er collection services and the areas most likely to experi ence t he majority of the future population growth will already
hav e been provided with this utility.
Although the Village of Pellston is not planning sewer improvements
at the present time, it is recommended that they be considered in
the near future, should financial assistance be available. It is
dou b tful t hat the Village could fund such a project without assistance . 1
There a r e many programs available, both Federal and State, which would
pay a substantial portion of the project cost.
Even with assistance
it is often d ifficult, if not impossible, for small communities to
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Was t e wat er treatment facilities are becoming increasingly more expens iv e as more stringent treatment requirements are adopted by the
gov ernmental agencies. For example, treatment by lagooning has been
a common ly used method for small communities, as construction cost
was relatively low and very little maintenance or operations was requir ed . But then it became a requirement that lagoons could discharge
into t he r eceivi ng body of water but twice each year, once in the
spring and once in the fall . Thus, it was necessary to design lago0ns
larger t o pr ovi de for six months storage. It then became a

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A l a r ge pr ivat e recreati on and housing development (approximately
200 unit s ) is being planned in an area south of Pellston .
If the
dev e lopment materializes, it would be desirable to consider the
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requirement that all effluent from lagoons would be chlorinated for
disinfection and this increased the initial cost and required more
attention to operation.
It is now a requirement that 80
percent of the total phosphates in the incoming waste water be removed by the treatment.
The lagoon type treatment process is not
adaptable to phosphate removal so that the method most commonly used
is to follow the lagoon treatment with spray irrigationo A large
amount of additional land is required, an extensive network of spray
piping increases the maintenance required, and additional fencing,
tree planting and other requirements of the Health Department make
this type of treatment much more expensive than in the past.
It would be desirable to have all the dwellings in the County provided with waste water collection and treatment.
But it is not
economically feasible even with substantial financial aid.
It is
recommended that the remainder of the County continue with private
septic tanks and drain fields at the present. As further development occurs or as potential problems arise, additional sewer systems
should be studied.
Some rural areas that may require sewage services
because of increasing development and therefore increasing volumes
of sewage effluent include: Walloon Lake, Paradise Lake, Larks Lake,
Mackinaw Shores, Cross Village and the Ski Resort areas in Pleasantview Township . Demands in the rural Townships of West Traverse, Friendship, Readmond, Cross Village, Bliss and Wawatam would probably arise
in areas along the Lake Michigan shore. The other Townships may
remain more rural, and services may never be feasible except in a
few instances where concentrated development may occur or increase.
Levering, Carp Lake, Brutus and Van may be affected under these
conditions .
Springv ale Township could have some potential utility
service area near Crooked Lake and Pickerel Lake.

COMMUNITY WATER SYSTEMS
Safe and abundant drinking water is a most fundamental requirement
to our existence. There are two sources available for obtaining
this water. These are surface water sources such as lakes and river,
and ground water sources such as artesian and drilled wells. Although
there is an abundance of high quality surface water sources in Emmet
County all domestic water is obtained from wells. Petoskey, Harbor
Springs, Mackinaw City, Hidden Hamlet and Boyne Highlands all have
existing distribution systems. Pellston does not have a public water
system but does have wells and a cistern for fire protection. Alanson
has cisterns for fire protection also. The following is a discussion
of water s u pply and distribution in the County.

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�Petoskey Water System
The present area served by the City of Petoskey water system is shown
on the "Existing C0mrnunity Water Service" map.
The water is supplied
by an infiltration well, 17 feet deep, and a pumping station located
on the shore of Little Traverse Bay within the City. The water is
chlorinated and fluoridated prior to entering the distribution system.
Storage is provided by one new 300,000 gallon steel elevated storage
tank, two 150,000 gallon concrete ground storage reservoirs and one
110,000 gallon steel standpipe, 40 feet tall.
The new 300,000 gallon
elevated tank is supplied by three high level pumps at the pumping
station on the lake shore .
These three pumps each have a capacity
of 600 gallons per minute at 500 feet total head. Also at the pumping station are located three 600 gallons per minute low level pumps
which serve the main part of the City and also supply the two 150,000
gallon ground storage reservoirs.
The water is pumped again from the
ground storage reservoirs to maintain the level in the standpipe
which supplies a second high level district , The location of the
pumping station and storage facilities are also shown on the "Existing
Community Water Service" map .

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It is believed that the infiltration well is recharged from ground
water flowing from the south, rather than from Little Traverse Bay,
as the level in this well is normally above that in the Bay.
This
is somewhat substantiated by the complete chemical analysis of the
City's water which is presented in TABLE 18. A surface water supply
would not be expected to have a total hardness as high as 170 parts
per million.
The Petoskey water supply is of a good quality as can
be seen from a comparison of TABLE 18 with the Water Quality Goals and
Drinking Water Standards listed in TABLE 19. The Water Quality Goals
were established in 1967 by the American Water Works Association
(A.W.W . A. ) as an outline of the characteristics of a treated water
of a high quality.
The Drinking Water Standards were established by
the United States Public Health Service (U.S.P.H.S.) in 1962 and are
endorsed by the A.W.W.A. as minimum standards for all public water
supplies , The water is fairly hard but not so much as to warrant
a softening plant at the present time .

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TABLE 18
PETOSKEY, MICHIGAN
COMPLETE CHEMICAL ANALYSIS OF WATER
(parts per million)
Determination

Resu l t

Determination

Color units
Odor
Turbidity units
Total solids
Silica-SIO 2
Manganese-Mn
Iron as Fe
Magnesium-MG
Sodium-Na
Calcium-Ca

0
None

Potassium-K
Nitrate-NO 3
Chloride-CI
Sulphate-SO 4
Bicarbonate-HCO3
Carbonate-CO 3
Fluoride-F
Hardness-CaCO3
Hydrogen ion-pH
Conductance-Micromhos

0
216
4
0
0.1
11
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Result
1. 2
1. 2
16

29
170
0
0.30
170
7.4
375

TABLE 19
A oWoWoAo WATER QUALITY GOALS
U. S . P.H oSo DRINKING WATER STANDARDS
(parts per million)

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Color units
Odor
Turbid i ty units
Total solids
Iron as Fe
Manganese-Mn
Nitrate-NO3
Chloride-CI
Sulphate SO 4
Hardness
Flu oride

A . W. W. A. WATER
Quality Goals

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0.1
200
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250
250
80
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250
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Harbor Spr in~s
The Harb or Springs water system is supplied by four wells and one
335,000 gallon ground storage reservoir. The wells are:

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Depth

Capacity

Stadium Well
Bu l l Moose Well
Peffer Well
State Well

160
90
180
160

750
430
330
330

feet
feet
feet
feet

gpm
gpm
gpm
gpm

In a 1 966 revision of the City's Master Plan by Williams and Works,
it was recommended that three additional wells be installed in the
future o The locations of the existing and proposed future wells
and the ground storage reservoir are shown on the "Existing Community Water Ser•v ice" map o The area served by the system is also
shown on t he "Existing Community Water Service" map.

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A complete chemical analysis of the
shown in TABLE 20 0 The water is of
is quite hard t here is no manganese
not chlorinated at the present time

Harbor Springs water supply is
a good quality and although it
or iron present. The water is
but fluoride is added.

TABLE 20
HARBOR SPRINGS, MICHIGAN
COMPLETE CHEMICAL ANALYSIS OF WATER
(parts per million)
Determination
Color u nits
Odor
Turbidity units
Total solids
Silica-SIO 3
Iron as Fe
Manganese-Mn
Calcium-Ca
Magne s ium-Mg
Sodium-Na

Result
0
None
0
210
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48
16
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Result

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Nitrate-NO
Chloride-Ci
Sulphate-SO4
Bicarbonate-HCO3
Carbonate-CO3
Hardness-CaCO3
Fluoride-F
Hydrogen ion-pH
Conductance Micromhos

0. 5
12
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7
210
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185
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�Mack i naw City
One 8- i nch well approximately 200 feet deep and one 10-inch well 296
feet deep supply water to the Mackinaw City system .
It is estimated
by the City that these wells hav e ov er double the capacity of that
being utilized at the present time.
Storage is provided by one 100,000
gallon elev ated storage tank . The existing service area, wells and
storage tank are shown on the "Existing Community Water Service" map.

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by hydro gen sulfide, but this has been successfully eliminated by
c hlori natio n o The water is not fluoridated .

TABLE 21
MACKINAW CITY, MICHIGAN
COMPLETE CHEMICAL ANALYSIS OF WATER
(parts per million)
Determi nation
Color units
Odor
Turbidity units
Total solids
Silica-S I O4
Iron as Fe
Manganese-Mn
Calcium-Ca
Magnesium-Mg
Sodium-Na

Results
5
None
2. 0
290
10
0. 2
0. 0
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Nitrate-NO3
Chloride-CI
Sulphate-SO4
Bicarbonate-HCO 3
Carbonate-co
Hardness-CaC 3
Fluoride-F
Hydrogen ion-pH
Conductance Micromhos

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19
220
0
240
0. 3
7.9
460

The complete chemical anal ysis of one of the wells, given in TABLE
21, shows the water to be very hard.
When this analysis is compared
to TABLE 19, with respect to total solids and iron, the water will
not meet A .W.W. A. Water Quality Goals, but it is well within the
U. S . P . H.S. Drinking Water Standards.
Boyne High l ands
Boyne High l ands operates its own private water system which is supplied
by one 6-inch wel l and one 8- inch well, each of approximately 250 gallons per minute capacity, and one 10-inch well that i s 650 gallons per
minut e c apacity .
Storage is provided b y a 2,000 gallon reservoir . The
water i s r eport ed t o be of a v ery go0d quality .

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There is an existing water system in Hidden Hamlet, a development of
recreational homes located directly north of the Nubs Nob ski area .
The system is privately owned and operated by the Hidden Hamlet property owners. The system has no fire hydrants and fire protection is
provided by the City of Harbor Springs.
The system is supplied by
four 4-inch wells and one 6-inch well.
Present pumping capacity is
420 gallons per minute and the total capacity of the existing wells
is estimated to be over 700 gallons per minute, A 4,000 gallon ground
storage reservoir provides storage for the system .
L'Arbre Croche
This new development on Little Traverse Bay between Petoskey and
Harbor Springs is constructing a private water system which is to
be supplied by two 350 feet deep wells.
The new system will be
hydro-pneumatic.
Pellston
Although the Village of Pellston does not have a public water supply,
the Village does have three wells for fire protection . Two of these
wells are approximately 40 feet deep and the third is approximately
125 feet deep. The Village also has a 20,000 gallon cistern which
is used for fire protection .
Remainder of Emmet County
Wequetonsing and Harbor Point have water systems supplied by the City
of Harbor Springs.
Bay View also has a water system and is included
in the Petoskey service area,
The remaining area of the County is
served by private wells.
Logs of the wells drilled in Emmet
from the District Health Officer .
well logs . All Townships in Emmet
TABLE with the exception of Center
in 1970 0

County during 1970 were obtained
TABLE 22 is a tabulation of these
County are represented in the
Township which had no new wells

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WELLS DRILLED IN EMMET COUNTY IN 1970

Township

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Bear Creek
Bliss
Carp Lake
Cross Village
Friendship
Littlefield
Little Trav erse
Maple Ri v er
McKinley
Pleasantvi ew
Readmond
Reso rt
Springv ale
Wawatam
West Traverse

Na o of
Wells
7
1
2
4
2
45
2
3
1
2
4
3
2
1

Least
Depth(ft o)

Greatest
Depth(ft .)

29

145

62
57
135
51
51
170
43

169
190
185
13 8
233
206
62

66
140
69
121

9 41 80
148
1 85
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Average
Depth(ft.)
93
210
116
120
160
91
169
188
53
370
80
164
109
153
225
153

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Thirty-nine of the wells list ed in TABLE 22 were constructed with 4-inch casings and the remaining four were constructed with 2-inch casings.
The varying topography within the County is illustrated by the
large range in depths of t he wells . Twenty-four of the new wells were
constructed in the six southerly Townships in the Cou nty o The logs
for these twenty-four wells indicate a clay layer of v arying thickness
and dep t h throughout most of this area . This is a desirable condition
as the clay layer acts to seal of and protect the aquifer from possib l e contamination from th e surface. The majority of these wells
draw water from a sand or grav el aquifer while a few of the deeper
wells were in shale .
Fourteen of the wells listed i n TABLE 22 were construct ed in the central
seven Townships of the Count y .
Clay and clay mixtures of sand and
grave l wer e found throughout most of the depth of these wells with
the wat er bearing strata be ing sand or gr a v el.
No rock was en countered
in any of the fourteen wells o
The remaining fi v e wells we r e constructed in the three most northerly
Townships in Emmet County . Two of the fiv e were drilled to water
bearing limestone and the other three to sand or grav el o Clay materials
were reported throughou t most of the depth o~ four of th e five wells.

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�A.l though the wells listed in TABLE 22 cover but a small portion of the
wells within the County, they do indicate that potable water is readily
available from ground water sources in Emmet County.
Lake Michigan and
Little Traverse Bay are also available as a source for public water
supply but, to date, have not been utilized. This is not unusual as
the costs of inlet structures and long intake lines in the lake are
usually prohibitive to small communities.
It is not unlikely that as
the City of Petoskey's population grows and as Resort and Bear Creek
Townships develop that Little Traverse Bay may be utilized as a rater
source for this area in the future.
FUTURE WATER SUPPLY SYSTEMS
It is recommended that the existing water distribution systems in
Petoskey, Harbor Springs and Mackinaw City be extended as required
in the future to serve the areas approximating those to be served
by their waste water treatment facilities.
However, certain problems
will be encountered in expanding the present sys~ems.
Due to the
varying terrain of the County, booster pumping stations and reservoirs
will be required to maintain adequate pressures in the areas at the
higher elevations.
Due to the previously mentioned potential problems within the Village
of Pellston, caused by the small lot sizes, it is recommended that
consideration be given to a public water supply for the Village. As
safe drinking water is a necessity, it is recommended that a water
system be given priority over waste water collection and treatment
facilities . Construction of a water system also has the advantage
of increased fire protection.
It is recommended that a public water
system also be considered in Alanson. However, a waste water
collection system should have top priority at the present time.
As there is an abundance of potable ground water available, the
remainder of the County should remain with private wells. As these
rural areas develop, a water system, as with a sewer system, should
be considered a necessary part of that development.

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areas, then water services may have to be provided when significant
increases in development occur . The need may be prompted at an earlier
time if the capacity of the soils to absorb septic tank effluent is
exceeded o Areas that may require central wa~er systems first, will
likely be in resort locations, particularly water oriented sites .
These may include: Walloon Lake, Paradise Lake, Crooked Lake, Larks
Lake, Mackinaw Shores, Cross Village and the Townships which have
frontage on Lake Michigan. At least some limited need could be experienced in any one of the rural Townships of Bliss, Carp Lake,
Center, Cross Village, Friendship, Readmond, Springvale~ McKinley,
Maple River, Pleasant View and Wawatam.
The communities of Alanson,
Pellston, Carp Lake, Levering, Brutus, Van, Oden, Conway, Bay Shore
and other locations may develop needs at an earlier time.

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SUPERVISOR DISTRICT NO. 1
Emmet County
Bliss

Carp
Lake

Cross
Village

Readmond

TOTAL

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City(Pt)

DISTRICT
TOTAL

Residential

57

95

26

48

226

32

258

Seasonal Homes

14

90

30

30

164

30

194

Public Uses

85

9

2

2

98

39

137

2

97

4

4

107

17

124

Recreation

6,960

53

5

12

7,030

15

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1

32

2

8

43

20

Industrial

3

12

-

-

15

41

Railroads

-

8

-

-

8

14

422

392

197

458

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788

266

562

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2%
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Pellston

DISTRICT
TOTAL

Residential

55

79

76

210

82

292

Seasonal Homes

32

4

6

42

-

42

Public Uses

63

1,450

9

1,522

16

3

6

7

16

2

Recreation

11

2

1

14

6

Commercial

1

12

28

41

5

Industrial

12

6

30

48

7

-

65

63

128

14

99

351

465

915

16

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Roads

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148

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1%
1,538
50%
18
1%
20
1%
46
1%
55
2%
142
5%
931
30%
3,084ac.
100%

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EXISTING LAND USE
SUPERVISOR DISTRICT NO. 3
I:mmet County

Friendshi,E_

Little
Traverse

Pleasantview

West
Traverse

Residential

46

145

12

55

258

173

431

Seasonal Homes

60

105

28

68

261

NIA

261

Public Uses

6

131

27

31

195

16

211

Quasi-Public

9

155

1,984

97

2,245

18

Recreation

1

3

-

-

4

47

29

1

32

62

32

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SErings

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6%

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51
1%
94
2%
207
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10

180

2

15

207

-

447

343

80

246

1,116

144

1,260
26%

579

1,091

2,134

544

4,348ac .

430

4,778ac.
100%

Railroads
Roads
TOTAL

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EXISTING LAND USE
SUPERVISOR DISTRICT NO.4
Emmet County

Littlefield

Alanson

99

221

81

82

65

147

7

175

14

189

7

92

106

198

-

Recreation

7

5

12

10

Commercial

8

1

9

13

Industrial

2

12

14

-

52

-

52

13

378

550

928

51

Seasonal
Public Uses
Quasi-Public
+

TOTAL

122

Residential

►
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Springvale

Railroads
Roads

DISTRICT
TOTAL
302
16%
154
8%
196
10%
198
10%
22
1%
22
1%
14
1%
65
3%
979
50%

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TOTAL

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EXISTING LAND USE
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Emmet County

Bear Creek
Residential

0,

TOTAL

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335

142

477

335

98

66

164

-

Public Uses

333

20

353

76

Quasi-Public

186

2

188

264

Recreation

298

14

312

128

Commercial

64

19

83

59

Industrial

10

150

160

66

Railroads

116

70

186

61

Roads

909

504

1,413

279

2,349

987

3,336ac.

Seasonal Homes

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TOTAL

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DISTRICT
TOTAL
812
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164
4%
429
9%
452
10%
440
9%
142
3%
226
5%
247
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                    <text>Living with PFAS
Interviewee: Tobyn McNaughton
Interviewer: Dani DeVasto
Date: June 16, 2021

DD: I am Dani DeVasto, and today June 16th I have the pleasure of chatting with Tobyn
Mcnaughton, hi Tobyn.
TM: Hi.
DD: Tobyn, can you tell me about where you’re from and where you currently live?
TM: Yeah, I was born and raised in Grand Rapids, Michigan. And currently I reside in Belmont,
which is kind of part of Grand Rapids, just a little smaller like sub-town part of Plainfield
township. So, I actually grew up in Plainfield township also, and then just moved about 10 min
away to Belmont after having some adventures in teaching down in Kansas. I lived there for a
year but now I’m here in Belmont, and I’ve been since 2012.
DD: You anticipated my next question, which is how long have you been there so thanks for
that. Can you tell me a story about your experience with PFAS, or with PFAS in your
community?
TM: Yeah, so I, like I said, I lived in Kansas for a year, and I had been dating my boyfriend, and
he lived up here in Michigan, and I said if I’m moving back to Kansas or from Kansas back to
Michigan we need to get married and get a house and do all that, you know, living the dream
stuff. And he said “okay, you know, let’s do that.” And like okay. So, when we came back up
after we started looking at houses, maybe like 3 or 4, and we found the house that we live in now
and just fell in love with the space. We have about 3 acres, have plenty of room for the potential
of children, and it butts right up to the highway, and were like, oh we can get used to that like the
highway noise eventually it’ll turn into white noise. And so, we decided this was our dream
house and we were super stoked about it. And then we got married and 2 years after we got
married, we had our first son, and his name is Jack, and everything was awesome, and we were
just having the good life, like you know things were working out for us really well. Then one day
I stayed home sick from work and my son and I both were not feeling so well and I got a knock
on the door. And I was like okay what’s going on here and a man had handed me an envelope
and said this is from a law office, it’s about your water and we’re having this meeting the next
day, a meeting tomorrow if you can attend it would be great for you to come and listen to what
we have to say. And I was like, this sounds very bizarre, I feel like he is trying to scam me or
something. I was just very untrusting of this I was like this is just strange, and so my husband got
home from work, and I was like this guy came earlier today and he gave me this envelope and
said it was about our water but he is from a law office so that doesn’t make any sense he is not
from the health department or from any other agency like that. So, Seth took a look at it and he’s
like this actually sounds legit like this could be an issue for us, I was like okay and so he went to
the meeting, and they filled us in on the potential of our well-being contaminated from a dump
that is about 1.5 miles south of us across the highway behind us. And I was like this doesn’t
make any sense because why would a law office be telling us this and not anybody else. And so
he started, he is just the personality where he is like I am going to investigate I need to know
more information, so he started calling as many people as he could figure out who to call, the
health department at the township, different places, and finally got ahold of someone and she
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Interviewee: Tobyn McNaughton
Interviewer: Dani DeVasto
Date: June 16, 2021

said “ Yeah, you probably shouldn’t be drinking your well water right now.”, and that was a big
shock because no one up to that point nobody had said yeah you probably shouldn’t drink your
water until we started calling and asking. And that’s where everything kind of began and then
after that is just kind of phone call after phone call after making appointments to have people
come and check out our well. So, that all started in August of August 2017, and then by October
we knew that we had 1,961 parts per trillion of PFAS in our well. And also learned that 70 was
kind of the number that they had decided in the EPA was the safe, the safer number. So, that and
then our life has been the same ever since then. [laughs]
DD: And, and what has that meant for your life moving forward at this point, if you want to
expand on that
TM: Yeah, so of course your first question. You know, after the initial shock of your well-being
that contaminated that you’ve been drinking since you’ve moved here in 2012 and being
pregnant, I was like I’m going to do everything right: I’m going to drink 8 glasses of water a day,
I’m going to breastfeed, I’m going to do all the things, and then you stop and you’re like what if
that was the worst thing I could’ve done. Like what does that mean for our bodies, so the second
question was of course, well this is in our drinking water so what’s in our bodies. And so, you
know, starting to try to figure out, what do we do? Like will we be getting sick? Who knows like
how- who do we talk to? So, it was a lot of our own- like we had to be our own advocates and
say we want to be tested, we want to be looked at, we need to know more information, and just
hitting a lot of walls. Well, we don’t have a lot of information so, you know, a lot of the time I
felt like people were like just, “Oh well you know, we don’t know so just don’t worry about it.”.
Well, I’m going to worry about it because that’s a lot, and at the time we ended up we did get our
blood tested because a law firm paid for us to do that. They felt concerned enough themselves
about our situation that they said we should have this looked into for you which I am eternally
grateful for because no one else wanted to. The people that I thought should care didn’t seem to
and I ended up going to the health department and kind of doing my, you know, I’m angry, like I
want to know- I didn’t put this in my body someone else did. Whether it was 50 years ago they
dumped it till, 30 years later till, you know, longer than that, like it doesn’t matter to me, the time
frame. It’s just I am ingesting something that I didn’t put in my body and I deserve to know what
is in there. And it took about a year for them to kind of do a 180 on whether to blood test or not.
So, I guess basically for myself what it meant was- jumping into advocacy when I didn’t want to,
or know what that meant, or what that looked like, but just something like you had just-- to me I
just had to do it because I needed to know this information, knowledge is power kind of you
know the more information we have the better off were going to be. And I had some neighbors
that agreed with that too and jumped in on that with me. So, and then for my son at the time it
meant a lot of pokes, a lot of blood draws, a lot of measuring trying to see what was going on
with him and monitoring what was going on with him, and being worried like every day if, you
know, how this is going to affect him in the future. [deep breath] So, it really stresses me out like
I can tell I’m just like, [deep breath], you know it just stresses me out all the time, and now that
we have more information than we did before, like there is still a lot of unknowns and it's really
scary.
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Interviewee: Tobyn McNaughton
Interviewer: Dani DeVasto
Date: June 16, 2021

DD: Yeah, I can imagine. It sounds like you’ve had to do a lot of this work on your own, or kind
of self-advocating.
TM: Mhm, yeah, I guess one positive thing that’s come out of it is there’s five of us ladies, that
are neighbors, we started getting together and like just ground floor like where do we start, who
do we talk to first, and just making phone calls reaching out to people and the government
mostly because of you know the kind of where we had to direct our attention to, you know, get
these laws put into place of like this chemical shouldn’t be dumped, anywhere, and it shouldn’t
be these high of amounts that people are, you know, shouldn’t be okay with, we have to figure
out a real number not something that is arbitrary like something that will really say how this can
affect you and why it’s not good for you. So, yeah, we just kind of started from nothing and just
talked to as many people as we could and attended as many meetings and conferences as we
could. And we went to DC. Two of my neighbors and I got meetings with our senators, our state
senators, and one of our representatives, and we went to DC and we said please listen to us
because, and I brought a picture of my son with me and I wrote his PFAS levels on it, and I said
if any legislation, like if you’ve been thinking about making a bill about this, or something slides
across your desk, I want you to look at this picture of Jack and know that you have to do
something because there’s going to be a lot more kids than him and we have to you know try to
get ahead of it and stop it from contaminating other communities. And that- we’ve helped other
communities too that have, you know, newly contaminated areas just finding out that they’re
contaminated now they can look us up and be like “Oh well they’ve dealt with this for a couple
of years now so let’s ask them where did they start what did they do.”. So, met lots of people.
Unfortunately, like a lot of, you know people, that are also highly contaminated, you know at the
time of Jack's blood results he was, as far as we knew, had the highest level of PFAS in his body
of any child in the whole United States. I haven’t heard any number higher than him since then,
but we need to do more testing and you know more investigating and-- but it was, I was able to
reach out to people in New York that had issues, and ask them too like “What is- what is your
community doing?” “They’re doing biomonitoring.” “Okay how do we get biomonitoring?”, and
then kind of working on it from there and now we're finally starting to get into that space where
we’re part of a health study. So, and I might’ve like went off on a tangent a little, sorry [laugh].
But, yeah, that’s kind of- and it’s just we have another son now, and I went through two
miscarriages in a row, and it was- that’s very difficult anyway for any woman to go through. It
was very hard. We wanted to have a second child; we’ve put our family planning on hold when
we heard about everything going on. But then with a lot of the people that we talked to that were
like “Well you probably don’t need to be concerned, like we’re- we don’t know.”. So, I was like
okay so we kind of started back up again, then to have the two losses, you know, makes you like
very concerned and then I found out that if I I was suggested to take progesterone to help with
the third pregnancy, I ended up with if I’ve started progesterone right away that maybe it would
bring the pregnancy to be viable. And then in my own research online there was a study done
over in Europe about the link between PFAS and progesterone. And how the levels are much
lower in woman that have PFAS contamination, so of course I bring that information to the
people that I had been talking to and to my lawyers and things like that and someone had said,
“Well that was done in Europe, that doesn’t matter here.”, and when you hear something like
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Interviewer: Dani DeVasto
Date: June 16, 2021

that, I’m like are you nuts? Like why would you even say that to anybody, but especially me
going through all this hard time. Like well that was a study in Europe, like that doesn’t, and like
how does that not- I don’t -it still boggles my mind. They were like, “Well we have to do our
own study here if we want to really find like the links.”. And like, this is insane because yeah,
there’s so much more information like Australia’s done, you know they’ve had a lot of issues
with it, Italy, other places in Europe have done lots of other studies and things- I’ve actually, I
can’t see it, but I have my shirt on that I got from a lady in Italy, she gave this to me when we
went to Boston to the national PFAS conference which was really the international conference
because there were so many other countries represented there. She has been fighting and stuff
over there and they have a lot of information, and it’s like why aren’t we talking, you know, like
why can’t we all figure this out and have some kind of, you know, like come to consensus of
why this forever chemical is really bad, because we know- we know you shouldn’t eat it or drink
it, we know you shouldn’t have it in your body, but if you do get it in your body we should all be
figuring out what to do. So, yeah, I took that progesterone, and I can’t prove it, but I now have a
16-month-old boy that’s pretty healthy. Haven’t had any blood draws done on him just yet, but
he’s had a lot less issues than my first son so hopefully that’s because we’ve stopped exposure
and have been slowly losing some. Because right now really time is our only thing that we can
do to get it out of our bodies at this point, so yeah.
DD: Well congratulations on baby two.
TM: Yeah, Bruce, yeah, he is a spunky little guy. [laugh]
DD: He must be. [laughs]
TM: Yeah. [Laughs]
DD: Well, speaking of time, can you tell me about any concerns that you have about PFAS
contamination moving forward? I think you’ve hinted at maybe a few but.
TM: Yeah, concerns going forward- thankfully there has been legislation now that’s made its
appearance in the US government too. He's upstairs with the babysitter, [laughs], sorry.
DD: Being spunky.
TM: Yeah, you know, so we do have some you know legislation that’s been coming through in
Michigan. We’ve had some things come through, and the state legislator- legislature to get
MCLs [maximum contaminant levels] lowered or you know things like that so in the future- I’m
hoping that I can start to jump back into more of advocating and attending more meetings and
doing more now that I’m over a year postpartum and like covid’s been so crazy. So, I’m hoping
that I can get back into more meetings and advocacy stuff. So, yeah, my concern right now is
testing our blood, figuring out what it could mean finding those- the links, you know, between
health issues that people are experiencing and what their PFAS levels are. Getting the health
departments in different areas more on board on- the same page of how important it is to do a
health study when you have a highly contaminated group of people. Use that to your advantage
of getting that data and, you know, it could help people in the future, and then it has been
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Interviewer: Dani DeVasto
Date: June 16, 2021

encouraging to hear in the news like fast food places are phasing out their PFAS wrappers and
different places are starting to become more PFAS free, and then the next concern is like
whatever they’re replacing the PFAS with, whatever chemical they’ve invented or whatever they
are trying to replace it with, how safe is that, and what are really the appropriate ways to use it
and dispose of it. So, lots of things like that and it’s just something that I know that we're just
going to- it’s a forever chemical and it's going to be a forever thing for me to be thinking about
it, talking about it, working on it with other agencies and stuff like that so.
DD: How do you feel about that? That it’s going to be a forever thing for you, to be thinking,
you know, like it’s never not going to be a part of your world anymore, and it probably was
never on your radar I’m assuming before.
TM: Nope, yeah, it’s really frustrating, you know, especially when you’re talking to people
about it and they’re like “You’re still dealing with that?”. Yeah, it’s going to be like- this is our
life now like PFAS life we’re never not going to be dealing with it, so yeah it's not like
something that we can just wash out of our bodies and just be done with it and move on,
especially just my personality is I feel compelled to warn other people and try to help other
people, so as more communities find out that this is their problem too, you know, it’s- but it’s
really frustrating and we worry about it a lot.
DD: Before we wrap up today, is there anything else that you would like to add that we haven’t
touched on or anything that you want to go back to and say more about?
TM: [Sighs] I guess- I just- I hope that by me talking about it more people hear about it, because
there’s even some people that live like kind of in the Belmont Rockford area that still are like
“What are you? What's PFAS? What are you talking about?”, and I’m like you’ve really- like
we’ve been dealing with this for almost 4 years now and you're still are not quite sure about it.
So, I guess I’m hoping that more people will hear it and be concerned, and not just kind of like
shrug it off, you know, realize that it’s in the rivers ,and lakes ,and different water sources and
just because we’re in the United States doesn’t mean our water is 100 percent safe, like we really
take it for granted that we have clean water sources, but they’re not as clean as we hope. So, we
all need to be concerned about it, not just the people that are super contaminated by it, like I’m
hoping that other people can be concerned about it too, and that’s why I appreciate you looking
into this and deciding to do an archive of it. Because that just gives more people the access to the
information.
DD: Which seems like that’s been a real challenge for you and your stories. Either finding access
to information or helping others get access to that information.
TM: Yes, yeah.
DD: Well, thank you so much Tobyn for taking the time to share your story today.
TM: Yes, you’re welcome. [laughs]
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�-Scary, but survivable since he did what everyone else did
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-He couldn’t pick out targets in the jungle like he could with a rifle
-He walked point twice (leading the unit on a patrol)
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(00:27:10) Establishing Firebase Ripcord
-A Company was selected to lead the charge in establishing Firebase Ripcord in March 1970
-A Company’s mission was aborted before he went to the field
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(00:28:05) Firebase Ripcord
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(00:28:40) Battle of Firebase Ripcord Pt. 1
-Note: Battle of Firebase Ripcord from July 1 – 23, 1970
-Had brief enemy contact around Firebase Ripcord before the battle began
-Only lasted five or ten minutes
-Didn’t know what was going on with the other units
-On July 18th, he witnessed the Chinook helicopter crash landing on Ripcord
-Destroyed all the artillery pieces and the artillery ammunition
-Started working close together as a full company as the battle progressed
-Enemy activity got worse after July 18th
-A platoon in A Company found a North Vietnamese communication line near the end
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-Had sporadic firefights and found abandoned North Vietnamese bunkers
-A Vietnamese scout worked with his unit during the battle
-Never used the grenade launcher during the battle of Ripcord
-Couldn’t pick targets with it
-Finally got a .45 caliber pistol as a backup weapon
(00:34:32) Casualties
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-Bled out and died because a medevac couldn’t get to him in time
-Sent out to gather the bodies of four soldiers
-One soldier got shot in the buttocks
(00:35:34) Getting Wounded the First Time
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(00:36:53) R&amp;R
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-Note: Eagle Beach was the in-country R&amp;R location for the 101st Airborne Division
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�(00:37:30) Battle of Firebase Ripcord Pt. 2
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-His squad walked point for the company, and he was selected to walk point
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-During the battle, he’d been shot in the butt and hip, but didn’t realize it
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-During the night of July 22nd, they established a perimeter and waited for enemy activity
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(00:45:57) Fall of Firebase Ripcord
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-Didn’t know that A Company had fought off a battalion of North Vietnamese soldiers
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(00:47:35) Recovery
-He developed a severe fever and went to the hospital at Camp Evans and spent a night there
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-Spent two or three weeks at that hospital
-Family was notified that he’d been wounded and he also wrote home
-Visited the American Club and went to downtown Tokyo
-Because he’d been wounded twice, his tour in Vietnam was done
(00:50:20) Coming Home
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-Allowed to go home for a few weeks
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�-Knew about antiwar protesters
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(00:52:21) End of Service
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-Had a medical profile
-Meant that he couldn’t life over 20 pounds or be around loud noises
-Placed in maintenance and pulled guard duty
-Found it be very boring duty, and he spent a lot of time watching TV
-Given an early discharge in May 1972 to go back to college
(00:53:34) Life after Service Pt. 1
-Attended the University of Iowa for three years
-He appreciated things more
-Didn’t have any major problems adjusting to civilian life
-His friends were against the war, but they weren’t against him
-They were amazed he’d gone to Vietnam and survived
-Never experienced any antiwar activity at college
-Thinks that by 1972 most antiwar activity had tapered off
-Note: Last major antiwar activity was in May 1972 due to Operation Linebacker
-He didn’t talk about the war, because he didn’t want to sound like he was bragging
-Talked with his brother-in-law about the fighting on July 22nd
-Knew America was losing the war by 1970
-Didn’t pay attention to the war after he came home
(00:56:48) Drugs, Race Relations, &amp; Morale
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-Wanted to stay alert and stay alive
-Never saw any racial tensions
-There were a few black soldiers that opposed the war, but they still did their job
-Morale was okay
-Soldiers opposed the war, but they knew they had to work to survive
(00:58:40) Life after Service Pt. 2
-After college, he got into the insurance business with his brother-in-law in Nebraska
-Did that for a couple years
-Worked for another company
-He was self-employed after his second job
-Worked in accounting and real estate
-Part of the Florida Association of Postsecondary Schools
(00:59:30) Reflections on Service
-Didn’t like the service or Vietnam, but it’s part of who he is as a person
-Transformative experience
-Taught him to rely on other people and to be reliable
-Made him responsible
-He wouldn’t send his children to fight in a war like that, but wouldn’t change that he did it

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Western Michigan’s Civil Rights Histories
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Interviewee: Raymond McVeigh
Interviewers: Saidah Miller and Lauren Biggs
Supervising Faculty: Liberal Studies Department
Location: Grand Valley State University Special Collections
Date: 11/29/2011
Runtime: 01:25:28

Biography and Description
Raymond McVeigh discusses his involvement with the Pro-Life movement as a Catholic.

Transcript
Saidah: Ok. So could you give us some basic information about yourself? You name? Your place
of birth?
RJ: Uh…My name is RJ McVey. Raymond. Everybody calls me RJ. I’m…born near Detroit,
Michigan. I’m nineteen years old.
Saidah: Alright
RJ: I’m from Lansing. Where I was raised.
Saidah: Ok. Are you apart of any specific religion?
RJ: I’m Catholic.
Saidah: Ok. And are you currently employed? What profession are you interested in?
RJ: Um…Well… I worked part time with Grand Valley tutoring center. But I’m studying premedicine. Hope to be a medical doctor someday.
Saidah: Awesome. Are you apart of any political party?
RJ: Not officially.
Saidah: Alright. And so you are involved in the Pro-Life movement. What exactly is Pro-Life?
RJ: Um… the Pro-Life position would be that human life is intrinsically valuable at all stages of
development. Um… that we seek to defend life from conception to natural death.

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�Saidah: Ok , and did you grow up in a Pro-Life household?
RJ: Not… I grew up in a Christian household. It wasn’t even really predominantly a Catholic
household really. My mother was Methodist and my father was raised Catholic. But it never got
spoken of in my household really. I’ve really initiated it within my own family. Now I definitely
say we’re, my parents and my brother who still lives at home, I would say they’re definitely a
Pro-Life household. Bu it never really was an issue that was discussed growing up.
Saidah: Ok. So, what got you involved in the Pro-Life movement?
RJ: It really was a combination of a few things that all happened simultaneously. I would
probably say it was my senior year of high school. Um… I went to a private Catholic high school
and we took, I signed up for the honors Philosophy class for my last year of Theology because
we were required to take 4 years of Theology. And so, um, the Philosophy class really was an
awesome experience, it was like a small class of just some of the more academically advanced
students, (Clears throat), who, it was optional, whether to take the honors Philosophy, which
was a year long course or take regular Philosophy which was only a semester long and so it was
only people there who wanted to be there and I had an awesome teacher and it really turned
into an apologetics type course a lot. Um…And just kinda like logical arguments for why we
believe the things that we believe. And that really kinda sparked my interest in just the
Philosophy aspect in general and being able to defend my beliefs. Cause you know I had always
been Catholic, but really learning how to, why we believe what we believe and how to defend
things and during that whole process I really started to realize that Pro-Life issue, there is a few
Pro-Life issues. I’m assuming that we are talking specifically about the issue of abortion. Is that,
the issue with abortion is that I think that the it’s the most easily, to me it’s the most obvious
position that is being an injustice in our society right now and that is the most easily defended,
logically, of why we should not be able to take the life of unborn human beings. And so seeing
that it could be so... effectively defended, the pro-life opinion on abortion, and that there is
such injustice being done by that, really that injustice got me emotionally involved in wanting to
act out, to become active in that stance. And then the other thing that happened was about the
time I started dating my now fiance, who was the founder of her pro-life group at another
university and was president there and really involved and so spending more time around her
and at the same time realizing, ya know, really kinda starting to have it sink in what an injustice
was being done by this. Those two things really combined into making me really want to devote
lots of my time and energy towards this.
Saidah: Ok. So your girlfriend, excuse me, fiance, is a definite person who makes you stand
strong in your pro-life belief?
RJ: Mmmmhmm. Yeah.

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�Saidah: Ok. So, do you have any pro-life heros locally?
RJ: Um... Yes. I’d say that I’m the president of Grand Valley’s students for life group but really
there is a, a circle of people in our group who are all extremely active and awesome at what
they do. And um, they’re all really kind of, they keep me going and I hope that I keep them
going and they’re pushed to remain active in this. Ya know my fiance is probably one of my prolife heros, there is a lot of things she does, a lot of types of discrimination that she faces for
holding the positions that she, ya know, for being active the way that she is. And being so... I
don’t know what the word is... I guess charismatic would kinda be the word I’m looking for, and
the way that she is so active and courageous in that, there’s a lot of things she does that I don’t
think I’d be able to do and that’s an inspiration to me.
Saidah: Ok. Do you have any national pro-life heros?
RJ: Yes, um, I’ve actually had the privilege to get to know one of them personally recently. I was
**six-upped** into a fellowship for students for life of America, which is the national
organization. And they, as a part of that fellowship, is they set you up with like a mentor, of a
national pro-life leader of your choosing. And so I’d mentioned earlier that I’m really interested,
my thing I feel most passionately about is the apologetics of everything, and so I’d requested a
pro-life national apologist who’s name is Scott Klusendorf as my mentor and I get, uh, through
the organization they asked him if he’d be interested and he said he was, and so I’ve had the
privilege of getting to spend time talking to him. Couple hours every couple weeks and so
gotten to know him pretty well. He’s one of my national heros. Along with the people who help
run students for life of America ‘cause I really think the students, there’s lots of national pro-life
groups but I really think that the students for life group is one of the most important because
our age group are the ones that have to face this type of decision the most. Both men and
women I think.
Saidah: Ok, could you explain a little bit more about the apologetics? I’m not really familiar
with that.
RJ: Like what? What the apologetic argument would be?
Saidah: Yes.
RJ: Ok, so you could have me talk for more that two hours on this.
Saidah: Take your time!
RJ: Ok, so the question that it begins with is you have to realize that the question of abortion is
whether or not we can kill the unborn. Alright, but before we can ever hope to answer the
question, you know, is is morally ok to kill the unborn, we have to address the question, what is
the unborn. Alright, just like if you had a five year old boy walk up to you and ask can I kill this,
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�you would ask ok, well what is it? If he’s got a spider then sure. If it’s his brother by the throat,
that’s a problem, the answer I hope would be no. So once we realize that we have to identify
what is the unborn. We can look to science to answer what it is. Alright, science doesn’t how
we can, how we should treat it, ya know, we’re just looking to science to identify what the
unborn are. And so I could go, I could pull out of my bag a bunch of sources for this right now
but, I mean, indisputably, scientifically from the moment of conception a new human organism
um, is created. It’s a, I forget the technical term right now but it’s something along the lines of
reproductive genesis, that species only reproduce other species of their same species. Ya know,
humans reproduce humans, chimpanzees reproduce chimpanzees, and so it’s really kinda basic
biology that two gametes, two haploid cells from a women and a man come together and that
forms what, the first cells, called a zygote and that is a new organism. And what species is it? It
is a human species. It is a unique human organism. Alright but that doesn’t tell us how we
should treat it, that just tells us what it is. And so, now that we know that it is a human
organism we, I’ll assume that most people I talk to will agree, that born humans are intrinsically
valuable. Ya know, that we shouldn’t kill toddlers, that it’s wrong to kill people. Alright, people
generally agree with that when we’re talking about people like you or me. And so the way we
address this is ok, well what’s the difference between that first unborn, ya know that first cell
that is a human being, what’s the difference between that unborn human being and a born
human being that would make it ok to kill the unborn human being but not ok to kill the born
human being. And so if you can find one of, a difference between the two that we agree does
change their intrinsic value, well then you could conclude that abortion would be ok. But so, I
can identify four differences that I think sum up all the differences between an unborn human
being and a born human being. And those are size, their level of development, their
environment, and their degree of dependancy. Alright. And I could go through each, all four of
those in depth to try to explain why those don’t change a human being’s intrinsic value. I think
size and environment are the most obvious. Alright. Bigger human beings aren’t more valuable
than smaller human beings. I’ve never met a person who would disagree with that. So that’s
the size one. Environment, I think is also pretty easy. Ya know, if I’m standing here I’m the same
worth as if I were standing over there. Ya know, we don’t generally believe that your location
changes how much you’re worth. And the other two differences are the level of development
and their degree of dependency. Now these two you’ll sometimes ya know, have some people
dispute these. I think the level of development is... pretty, you can get people to understand
that that does not change your value when you, because where, we change in our level of
development our entire lives. Ya know, five year old girls are much less developed than
eighteen year old women. Eighteen year old women have a fully developed reproductive
system, they have a more developed brain, they’ve developed life experiences, where as the
five year old girls doesn’t have any of these things. Yet we all agree that the five year old is of
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�would be killing the eighteen year old. So I, using examples like that I think that we can
conclude that the level of development doesn’t change the value of a human being. And then
the last difference is the degree of dependency. Now this one you probably will spend the most
time discussing with people if you’re talking about the apologetics. People will, most pro-choice
people will cling onto this and say the, how much a human being is dependent on other human
beings does change their value. I would disagree and I think I can provide examples why.
Because, you could use an example of like an infant. An infant is dependent on their parents for
just about, as much as an unborn human being. An unborn human being fetus, if you removed
all of it’s dependency on it’s parents, it would die. If you removed an infant from all their
dependency on their parents, it would die. If parents neglect to feed their infant child, they’ll
get convicted of murder or the equivalent thereof. And so if we believe that’s wrong to kill an
infant, well then, and it’s wrong to kill a ten year old and the difference between those two are
the dependency on their parents, well then I think we can conclude that the dependency
doesn’t change how much they’re worth. And also, since this dependency one is usually harder
for a lot of people to agree on, I also like to use the example of we’re all dependent on each
other on some level. Maybe it’s not the same exact amount, but none of us are perfectly
independent. Ya know, just by the nature of the types of beings that we are, we’re social
creatures, we’re dependent on each other. And we’re all dependent on each other in different
amounts. And so if we were to dictate that our dependency on each other changes our value
none of us would be equal because of that fact that we all depend on each other in different
amounts and so then we can conclude that you can’t consistently hold a view of human
equality if our dependency on each other changes how much we’re worth. And so since most
people at least in our country agree that people are equal, I think you can point out that you
can’t consistently hold that view if you’re going to say depending on other human beings
changes how much you’re worth. And so with those four differences pretty much every
objection that people bring up about the differences between an embryo, or a fetus, and a
toddler fall into one of those four categories and I think you can show that none of those things
change how much a human being is worth. So that’s a kind of quick version for me anyways.
Saidah: So how has being pro-life shaped or changed your life?
RJ: Um.... a lot of the relationships I have, a lot of the friends that I have, through the pro-life
activism that I’ve done, like Lauren here, it’s really gotten, it’s helped me become even firmer in
some of my beliefs outside the pro-life issue too, just because you know, I’ve been in debates
and things, on abortion and so um, I mean anybody who knows me really well knows that I
don’t like to do things unless I know I can succeed at the them , it’s almost a problem that I
have, that I don’t like taking risks, so in order to go into a debate, you know when you go into a
debate you’re risking a lot, you can be embarrassed, people laugh at you, um, you could fumble
over your words, you might just kinda forget what you wanted to say, it’s like I know I had a

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�rebuttal to this, I just can’t think of how to put it together right now! You’re risking a lot, so
when I’m like preparing to go into a debate or something, I was in a debate a couple weeks ago
and I spent like weeks and hours a day ahead of time going over my stuff, making sure I have all
my facts straight, especially when you’re going into a debate arguing the side that is politically
incorrect. ‘Cause if you’re going to argue something that’s politically incorrect in front of, ya
know, over a hundred people, you better have your stuff together otherwise you’re in trouble.
Um, and so just having that almost tediousness of wanting to make sure I have my, that my
logic is founded well and that I know how to respond to objections to things, um, having that
type of focus on one issue really kinda broadens into my other issues too, like my belief in God,
would be an example of one of the biggest ones obviously. Um, and I want to make sure that I
understand, ya know, why I believe this and to be able to conclude that it’s not crazy for me to
hold this belief, that I have reasons why and that it makes, that it’s better reasons than the
counter argument. And so it’s really helped me with that and being founded in all of my beliefs.
Saidah: All right, and I know we kinda talked about a little bit about abortion. So, could you give
us like just a general overview of what you know about abortion.
RJ: Well there is medically two types of abortions, a spontaneous abortion and a induced
abortion. Spontaneous abortions obviously you can’t really do much about, they’re
spontaneous, nature does ‘em. Ya know, that’s nature doing it.
Saidah: Is that also called a miscarriage?
RJ: Yes. There’s been some, uh, dispute recently amongst the medical community, some people
really want it to, officially change the term from spontaneous abortion to miscarriage because
of the bad connotation that comes along with the word abortion now. With, so miscarriage
versus abortion, sort of the same thing. One happens spontaneously uh the other one is you’re
doing it on purpose. Um, it removes an unborn human being from it’s mother’s womb, except
most of the time it really does more that just remove it. People often times like to think, ya
know, it’s just like removing life support, but most abortions are done through suction, which
tears apart the unborn human being. Or chemicals which burn it, basically dissolve it, and so I
mean there are some cases where it is kinda more like simply removing, but the majority are
done where it’s more really actively killing and um, so I mean like, the analogy that I have that I
think makes a lot of sense, it’s a little bit gruesome but people like to think that it’s like
removing life support but its more like removing life support by first shooting the person in the
head. Um, really. If you’re going back to this, that argument that human beings are the same,
it’s not merely removing life support. It’s actually killing them and then removing them. Which I
think is a significant difference. But so, uh, does that answer the question?
Saidah: Yeah, definitely. Could you kinda talk about how abortion affects women from what
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�RJ: M hmmm. I know that um having an abortion, this has kinda become a controversial
statement, that having an abortion increases your risk of breast cancer. Which to the best of my
knowledge, best of my medical knowledge, is true. I’ve tried to become educated on both sides,
some scientists and people say that there really isn’t any connection btw the two where as
scientists on the pro life side have tried to explain that having an abortion does increase your
risk of breast cancer. To the best of my knowledge that’s true. Other side effects is that it
increases your risk of having spontaneous abortions in the future, which I think makes a lot of
sense. Post abortive stress syndrome is another one that, it’s another thing that’s disputed. It’s
not recognized by some organizations. It is recognized by some other organizations. I mean, I
know personally I’ve meet women that have had abortions and suffer from the guilt of what
they’ve done and that never really seems to go away. Ya know, I’m not going to say that’s going
to happen to everybody who has an abortion, I’m sure there are people that have abortions
who don’t feel that way afterwards, whether or not you feel that way, I don’t think changes
what an abortion is and what it does. So when I’m discussing with people why I believe in that
abortion is wrong, that’s not necessarily something that I would bring up because,ya know, I
think as a **(inaudible)** it’d be a reason not to, but it doesn’t really come into play when
you’re talking about why abortion is wrong. But, I mean, these are a few of the negative side
effects, I’m sure there are some women who have abortions, don’t have any side effects but I
know there are women who have abortions that do suffer from a lot of side effects. So.
Saidah: Ok. Do you see an end to legal abortion?
RJ: Like do I perceive one in the future?
Saidah: Mmmhmm.
RJ: Yes. I believe it’s possible. I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t think it were possible. It’s
become very close, and ya know, we’ve come very close to it in the past. I mean the real reason
of why I don’t think abortion is illegal already is because of the fractions within the pro life
movement. If all the organizations that are pro life would all come to agreement and stop vying
for kinda like popularity or ownership of the issue and just be able to submit it, ya know like this
isn’t about me personally getting acknowledged for anything, I just want to help end this. I
mean abortion would have been outlawed like in the eighties, there had been pro life
majorities in congress enough for an amendment because at this point that’s basically what it
would take. It would take either a judicial review of Roe V. Wade or it would take a
constitutional amendment in order to outlaw abortion. If we went the judicial route, or were
able to get the judicial route and throw out Roe V. Wade then they would go back to, then it
would be a state’s issue on whether or not abortion would be legal. Where as if you went the
amendment route, then it would be nationally outlawed. But yes, I think it’s possible.
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�RJ: Uh, Yes. I believe it’s possible. But uh, if someone came here in a time machine and told me
it’s not going to be in my lifetime I would be any less active. I had some people give the analogy
of the abolitionist movement. That push to outlaw slavery. In that it’s kinda like passing on a
candle from generation to generation. If any generation down the line drops the ball, and
doesn’t pass it on to the next generation, then we’d still have slavery. So I mean whether or not
abortion is outlawed in my lifetime, does not change my motive to be pro life and to be actively
pro life but obviously that’s the goal.
Saidah: Alright. So what do you think women can learn from the pro life struggle?
RJ: Um...There...I mean as a man, there’s, I’ve, I can’t help but notice that there’s this... I guess
you’d call it a stereotype from the pro choice side, that tries to paint all pro life men as trying to
control women. I never quite understood that because I’m not sure what I would gain from it. I
mean, I’ve honestly sat down and tried to think, ok what would personally be in this for me by
changing this. The only thing I can honestly think of would be that someday down the road
when i’m working, not in school any more and my supervisor of boss was a women who
becomes pregnant and would otherwise have had an abortion but if abortion were illegal could
not and then had to go on maternity leave and then I would maybe have a chance to take their
supervisor job or something like that. I mean, other than that I honestly can’t think of anything
that I would personally gain from outlawing abortion and frankly I think that’s kinda far fetched
and maybe this is me being prideful but IF I wanted to control women i’m pretty sure that I
could do something that would be better at controlling women than that, (Chuckling from
interviewers) than you know, putting in hours, ya know, into this every week during my college
education. I just don’t, that’s the one thing I guess if I could, like send a message for women to
learn I guess, it’s just that pro life men aren’t trying to control you. It’s really just because I
believe all human life is valuable. But other than that just that, um, what women can learn from
the pro life struggle...it’d just be that, I mean one of the most common reasons women cite for
having an abortion is that they feel like they have no other choice. Which I think is kinda ironic.
And I can see that, ya know, that women are pressured by their boyfriends, by their husbands,
by their families, especially young women, teenagers pressured by their families. And I think
that something that I’d like them to learn from the pro life struggle is that, ya know, we’re here
because we want to support you. We want to support your family. Ya know, when pro life
people are, ya know, protests are outside abortion clinics, it’s not to condemn you it’s to show
you that, ya know, we support your other option, as to have your child, we want to support you
in that way.
Saidah: Ok, so if you or a friend was faced with a crisis pregnancy what would your advice be?
RJ: Luckily I’ve really only been faced with this situation once and my friend chose to have her
child. And I’ll be the first to admit that this probably isn’t my forte, this isn’t what I feel that I’m

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�great at, just kinda general of giving advice, I don’t think I’m the greatest at giving advice. And
because it’s much different there because ya know I’ve pointed out I’m really into the
apologetics thing, ya know where as when somebody’s actually faced with the situation that’s
usually not what you want to do. (chuckles) Is,ya know, provide out logical arguments and
things like that because that’s not what it is about anymore, it’s an emotional issue at that
point. I think the apologetics stuff I much more suited for an academic level, like debate,
conversing amongst people who don’t really have any personal stake in the issue at that point
when they’re discussing it, where as when there’s somebody actually facing the crisis of
pregnancy, it becomes much more personal and much more emotional and that’s really when,
just kinda like emotional issues in general, it’s more important just to be there for that person
and support them. So I guess if I had a friend who was faced with that situation I would tell
them that I care about them no matter what they do, that their decision doesn’t change their
worth, that they’re still a valuable person regardless of what they do but that I do believe that
abortion is wrong and that if you’re willing to listen to why, I would be happy to explain to them
why I believe it’s wrong. I’d be sure from a medical perspective to point out that, just how, it’s
really, like I said, it’s basic biology but people just kinda seem to, it’s almost like a willful
negligence or willful ignorance of the facts. Just explain like, ok, scientifically this is a human
being who by definition is your, I mean you can use the word offspring, it’s your child, just
scientifically say like I know that you believe in that people are valuable , I believe people are
valuable and I believe that your unborn child is a person and that I would encourage you to give
your child life and i’d love to be willing to support you in making that decision and maybe and
find other people who have the means to support them in a more concrete way, ya know,
financially or something like that.
Lauren: Pro life groups and I know students for life of Grand Valley has been quoted saying
“Eliminate the crisis, not the pregnancy.” Could you give some examples of places in western
Michigan that you’re aware of that can help women in a crisis pregnancy?
Saidah: I mean, the first one that I know of, because we work closely with them is Lakeshore
Pregnancy center. Which is right outside, right off Grand Valley campus. Speaking as a catholic, I
know that most catholic churches, if somebody went to them and said hey I’m facing this tough
situation that they’d have people who’d be more that wiling to help and show support. I mean,
outside that just basically any pro life group. In the pro life movement there’s kinda two sects.
This isn’t the division that I was talking about before, there’s just kinda two groups that focus
on two different aspects. There’s the crisis pregnancy centers which focus on that more
personal, emotional aspect I was talking about and those are the groups that I would refer to a
friend who was in this situation. And so the local one is the Lakeshore pregnancy center. And
then the other group within the pro life movement is the more right to life groups. Which are
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�showing them what abortion is and why we should be against it. That’s more about, along the
APOLOGETICS type line, the more, like the legal aspect and things like that, where as the crisis
pregnancy centers are the ones who personally work with women who are, and families really,
who are faced with this situation. And so those are the types of groups that I would refer
people to. Does that answer the question?
Saidah: Yes. Yes it does. So we know your involved with students for life, how long have you
worked with this organization?
RJ: Students for life of Grand Valley, two years, a year and a half now. Well I guess sort of, if
we’re talking about students for life in general, I started in high school. ‘Cause I went to a
catholic high school and we had group of students who were pro life. We didn’t officially have a
group then, I think at my high school they’ve now started an official group but I mean students
for life of America, the national organization, a year and a half.
Saidah: Alright. So could you give us some of the goals and purposes of this group?
RJ: Well, I mean the technical goal, as stated in our constitution is to provide an outlet for
students to express the belief that abortion is morally, ethical and socially wrong. To promote
values of life that value human life from conception to natural death. So those are kinda like a
big picture goals. Some of the more smaller, concrete goals would be, like what we do is we
every year have an event to for, like a fundraiser for the local crisis pregnancy center that I was
talking about a second ago. We go to the national march for life every January on the
anniversary of Roe V. Wade to be active in demonstrating ya know that’s more along the legal
lines of protesting, saying that we as a, we as individuals of this country don’t believe that we
should be allowing this to happen. We also do things like participate in 40 days for life. Which is
a nationally organized event but the way we get involved is through locally, spending time and
prayer outside of the local abortion clinic. We try to initiate dialogues between students on this
issue, we try to initiate dialogue between our group and the pro choice group on campus, not
always successful, but we always try to initiate those conversations.
Saidah: Is students for life a religious group?
RJ: Students for life is NOT a religious group. While most people in are group are, you could say
religious, I don’t really like the word religion in general kind of. I don’t believe in a religion, I
believe in the truth. But um, (chuckles) but no, we are not a religious group. We can fully and
completely make our case without any sort of religion at all. I think that might be seen in the
apologetic argument I put forward earlier, in that faith, religion wasn’t brought into that at all.
We simply start with the assumption that we all agree that we shouldn’t kill people, that we
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�common agreement amongst people, and then we build our argument from there using science
and philosophy. And logic.
Saidah: Ok, so what as a student for life organization done in the community to help spread the
pro life message?
RJ: We regularly bring in speakers, hold events on campus. Typically every year we have at
least one cemetery of innocence, which it’s what we call our demonstration where we will set
up a certain number, like kinda reserve a space of grass outdoors and we’ll set up a certain
number of crosses usually, and then have signs that say ya know, each cross represents blank
amount of human beings aborted every day or every year, type thing. To kinda demonstrate the
number of abortions that take place and how many human lives are being taken. So that’s one
of the things we do to try to publicly get the pro life message out. In addition to the speakers,
we do tabling. And a lot of those events are part of what we call fire and ice week. Just kinda
like a co-hosted event with our pro life group and the pro choice group on campus. Originally
the idea was that both groups would cosponsor each others events to like, student
government, to maybe get like more funding for each group’s individual events. And then it
kinda becomes like an abortion awareness week where both groups everyday of the week hold
extra, like an event every day to advocate their cause. When this first was initiated here on
Grand Valley’s campus, it ended with a debate at the end of the week between the two groups.
That was the original idea it’s kind of changed since then, so that’s when we do things like the
cemetery of innocence, we bring in lots of speakers and a couple other things like we’ll bring in
a speaker who has a personal testimony on abortion maybe that they received or that they had
type thing. We’ll bring like a pro-life obstetrician slash gynecologist who will speak on medical
aspects. So we do a lot of those events during what we call the fire and ice week. But we
periodically have these type of events all year round.
Saidah: Could you describe an experience that caused you to be pro-life?
RJ: You know really, I haven’t had, I have been blessed to not have been personally connected
to that many people facing that type of situation to my knowledge anyways. Really, the most
personal experience would be the two things I said in the beginnings. One, my philosophy class
my senior year of high school. And in particular the personal relationship I had with the
teacher, and then my relationship with my fiancee.
Saidah: Could you, you had mentioned previously that you had done some type of prayer at an
abortion clinic. Were there any experiences within those sessions that you came face to face
with talking to a woman facing an abortion and if so how did that affect you?
RJ: Yeah, when I’ve spent time praying slashing protesting I guess you could call it at the clinics I
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�the that is just tactically being with other people who are there for the same reason and
women who are faced with the situation probably don’t want to be speaking to some stranger
college guy. You know, if I was faced with the situation where a woman was going to get an
abortion and I was the only one there, like it was a friend of mine, yes I would initiate talk to
them about this, try to be compassionate. But you know when I’m there with a group of people,
like I’ve done this with my fiancee before. She will try to initiate conversation with the couples,
with the women going in and out. She has started communication with people like this. So
personally I have not. I’ve seen it happen, i’ve seen couples come out of the clinic because you
know sometimes it’s just because me and the group of people were there, just because we
were there that we were showing support basically, they changed their minds, they didn’t get
an abortion just because they saw people there. And then other times I’ve seen it happen
because people have gone to them and talked to them and ya know, kinda been there for
them. I think it means a lot to people when they realize that people, when the pro life people
are outside the clinic because they care, I think when they realize that, they maybe even if they
think we’re wrong in what we believe, just when they realize that we’re there because we care,
I think that means a lot regardless of whether or not you think it’s a human being that’s being
killed or not. Just to see that somebody feels so strongly about that that they want to be there
to show compassion for you. I think that means a lot to people.
Saidah: Ok so are there any particular experiences that you’ve had with the pro life movement
that have been monuments to you or that has really shaped and defined your belief?
Lauren: That’s a good question.
RJ: Yeah. The most powerful experience I think I’ve had was the time, the first time I was at the
clinic. The one I’ve been at the most is near Flint, Michigan which is where my fiance’s from.
And I was with there with her and her student’s for life group and some people from the local
right to life group and that clinic, the time that they do abortions are early Saturday morning.
And the reason they do this is to discourage people from coming out and being there. And so
when I’ve gone with them before it’s kinda gruesome because you literally got to get up at like
six o’clock in the morning on Saturday to go out there because they do their abortions between
seven a.m. and ten a.m. on Saturday morning. And so sometimes it’s a little gruesome, you
usually don’t want, not gruesome but grueling is the word I’m looking for. Ya know, you don’t
want to, you want to sleep in. But I’ve dragged myself out there with them a couple times and
the first time that we had a couple come out of the clinic and, we hadn’t talked to them
beforehand, we had had the people try to talk to them beforehand but they had ignored us and
just gone to the clinic and twenty minutes later came out and we didn’t know what was going
on, they just went to their car but then they pulled around by us and asked, hey do you have
any information, we usually have flyers with information about pregnancy support group flyer
type things, came around and asked do you have any information that we could take, and we
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�were like Yeah! Sure! We were excited because we don’t always get people come up and be
willing to talk to us. And we asked do you know anybody who’s faced with an abortion and the
women was like yeah, I was supposed to have one today. And they said, we’re not having one
anymore, and they both just looked so happy and it was the day before mother’s day which was
really cool.
Saidah: Oh wow.
RJ: And honestly they looked, and this isn’t me just being biased, they looked happy. They were
both smiling. That was probably the coolest...and everybody, our group was there, there was
probably like six to eight of us that were there, we were all so excited. And then my fiance
Brianna started crying because she cries whenever she’s happy, that was pretty, that was a
powerful, emotional experience that kinda keeps me going sometimes when I don’t, when I’d
rather put more effort into something for myself. That keeps me going with giving up that extra
time and effort for those couples that are faced with those decisions and those lives that are in
the balance.
Saidah: Have you had any personal experience like those on campus when you’re having any
type of events?
RJ: Not from people who were facing this decision or had faced this decision but I have had
people come up to me who are just really encouraged to see such support on our campus for
the pro life movement. None of them were like, really impacting, they were always encouraging
and really appreciated but not like that other experience I was talking about. Those are kinda,
ya know, because they mean so much to you they are rare. They wouldn’t mean as much to you
if they were common I don’t think.
Saidah: That’s true. So have you ever had any type of repeat type experiences like that? Have
you ever had any really bad experiences with the abortion clinics?
RJ: Uh, yes. (All laugh) I kinda like the bad experiences stuff sometimes. Because I, one of the
experiences, it was just like a month or two ago when we were doing 40 days for life we had a
few people from our group go, and there’s this guy who was walking towards us to go past us
on the sidewalk and he looked like a college aged guy, and so there were probably three or four
of us kinda lined up, side to side, in front of the building. And he walked by and as he passed
each of us, he turned, about this far from our heads and, what did he say?... He said something
pretty vulgar. He had the F word in there and he said like, you’re a f’ing idiot or something like
that to each of us as he walked by and just kept walking. Oh and then when he got to me he
changed it up a little bit, he said that to like the other three people and then he got to me and
he changed it up and threw the f word in there twice or something. To me it’s just so

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�outrageous, I don’t even get angry, I just kinda laugh and, I mean, to be honest, I think i’d rather
have everybody respond that way then to have everybody just walk by.
Saidah: Mmmhmm. It lets you know that they’re paying attention.
RJ: Right. To know that people notice. I don’t know, it doesn’t bother ME if people say that.
Doesn’t change the facts, doesn’t change what I think is true. You know, I’m not doing this
because I think it’s going to make me popular. So that’s definitely not a factor, when people say
negative things toward me. I’m just doing this because I’m following what I honestly believe is
true, ya know. I mean, I’m open to anybody showing me reasons and evidence for why what I
believe is true isn’t true but until that happens i’m going to follow it. And so when I have those
negative experiences it doesn’t really discourage me at all, it kinda Encourages me, to notice
that people are noticing and that we’re getting to the people that disagree with us. So.
(chuckles)
Saidah: So was there, besides that one, any other moments that you had in your life that you
remember being treated differently for for your pro life stance?
RJ: Oh yeah. I like it when we table. ‘Cause I think one of the things that, when we table,
obviously like I said earlier we’re a politically incorrect group basically.
Saidah: Could you describe real quick what tabling is?
RJ: Ok. Tabling is an event, or is an activity that all student organizations on our campus and on
most campuses can do. And they just reserve a time in a big, social building, for us it’s Kirkoff,
where you just kinda get a table off to the side of the hallway and you can set up posters and
everything for your cause and it’s and opportunity for anybody who sees your group, says hey I
might be interested in getting involved with that group, to come over and talk to a couple of
people from the group about what they do, what that person would do to get involved, that
type of thing. That’s something that we do periodically. Usually once every couple weeks, just
for a few hours. Usually it’d be like in the University student union building type thing. Kirkoff is
basically Grand Valley’s equivalent. As to being treated differently, when we table we have this
box of fetal development models, of lifelike, to scale kinda rubbery models of the development
of a fetus every few weeks. And so part of our posters and stuff we put on our table when we
table, we have these out there, sitting out and we get so many weird looks. (laughs) Because
they basically look like little naked babies. Especially when we’ll just schedule people to table
from our group, take like one hour shifts type of thing, and every now and again it’ll end up
with just, we usually try to have two people at a table at a time, every now and again we’ll end
up having two guys at the table and whenever we have to guys at the table is the best.
(chuckles) ‘Cause so many people give us weird looks and i’ve heard people, i’ve seen like a
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�makes me feel a little, it doesn’t make me feel embarrassed or anything because it’s not like I
think that people are going to judge me differently by, it’s only fear that it is going to, that
people are going to take it as reinforcement of that stereotype that I was talking about earlier
of men trying to control women. That’s really my only apprehension when that happens
because I honestly, I can say personally that’s not true for me, I guess I can’t speak for the
personal attentions of every pro life man out there but it’s not the reason that men are pro life.
So, ya know, people see what they want to see though, if somebody’s already pro choice and
they think, ya know, they’re telling themselves that and then they see two guys at the pro life
table sometimes I worry that we’re just reinforcing that but that’s the time that I’m definitely
treated differently.
Saidah: Alright, are there any other experiences that stick out in your mind that you’ve had with
the pro life movement? Were they good, bad, indifferent?
RJ: I mean there’s a lot of frustrating examples. Because, I mean...
Saidah: Tell us about ‘em! (chuckles)
RJ: Alright, well this kinda goes along with how people tend, there’s another stereotype that all
pro life people are just religious nuts. Ya know, that pro life people are pro life because their
bible tells them to be, is a stereotype that is completely untrue. Crap, I kinda forget where I was
going with this. (chuckles) For example we, I was in a debate a few weeks ago on another
university’s campus, on my fiance’s campus and when they met with the pro choice group, it
wasn’t purely a pro choice group, but it was like a secular students for free thought group who
were going to be arguing the pro choice side.When they met to get together to just kinda
discuss how they were going to set up the debate and everything, somewhere amongst the
conversations, I wasn’t there, but I was told that somewhere amongst the conversation it got
mentioned that we weren’t going to be talking about religion and the other group was shocked,
like they couldn’t understand, like what? the pro choice group isn’t arguing about a religion?
And they were like, no, we use science and philosophy and they were like, they couldn’t
understand that. That’s a time when it’s a little bit frustrating but at the same time satisfying
because you’re breaking stereotypes but, I remember where I was going with this originally
though, is that there’s this idea amongst pro choice people that I’ve experienced, you know,
I’m not going to claim to know what all pro choice people think but there definitely is this
general consensus that being pro choice is kinda like the more enlightened, I guess you could
say, this is really in the media, that being pro choice is the enlightened, tolerant individual who,
and is kinda anti-religion, because there is this idea that being pro life IS religious, and so it’s
kinda this idea that it’s the anti-religious, enlightened position that fights the power of the
church or something. But the people who tell themselves that, that they’re somehow being
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�establishment then being pro life. I mean if you want to fight the establishment join the pro life
cause. Ya know, especially in the universities and just in the government and the policies it’s all
directed towards why abortion should be ok. If you want to have something to be antiestablishment it should be pro life. And so the most obvious example that I’ve had of this
personally is right now I’m taking a human genetics course and there was a section basically on
genetic and chromosomal abnormalities. And so examples of this would be like down
syndrome. Down syndrome is caused by an individual having three copies of the chromosome
21. You’re only supposed to have two. And so during the section we were supposed to study
the causes of down syndrome and a part of this was how to detect down syndrome and so it’s
common practice for many doctors, for many women that are pregnant, is that they’ll test the
fetus before it’s born to see if it has down syndrome. And so, I mean, that in and of itself,
testing to see if your unborn child has down syndrome is’t necessarily bad. If you’re doing it
with the intention of, ok, if it does I’m gunna kill it, that’s a problem. But there could be
legitimate causes, you know, if anything, you just want to know, so that you can prepare so that
when it’s time to give birth you’re not all of a sudden shocked to find out that your newborn
child has down syndrome, that’s understandable, to be mentally prepared for that. But so a
part of this in my genetics course was that we’d have like a sample question that says, ya know,
it’s supposed to be like a clinically orientated question, where it’s like, ok, say you’re the doctor
and a women comes to you and she’s two months pregnant and she has, say an uncle with
down syndrome and she has a two year old son already who has down syndrome. And so what
you’re supposed to answer is what should you do as the doctor about this. And so it was a
multiple choice question and one of the possible choices for answering was order an immediate
induced abortion. And that really upset me. There were a few questions like that on the
worksheet that we had. Granted it wasn’t the right answer that you were supposed to get but it
was still there. The right answer was to basically, to test to see if it has down syndrome and
then that’s almost implying oftentimes that, ya know, well if it does we shouldn’t let it live. So I
mean that’s just one of my personal examples of how being pro life is anti-establishment. Other
frustrating circumstances... there’s a lot of circumstances like that one I said about the being
protesting at the clinic. I mean, I’m usually surprised if we’re there and we don’t have at least
one car drive by and honk at us, in a bad way.There’s good honks and there’s bad honks and
you start to, after you do it a couple times you figure out the difference. Usually good honks are
one or two quick ones, bad honks are “EEEEEEENNNNNHHHHHH” (makes obnoxious honking
noise) as they drive by and sometimes they’ll like slow down to like ten miles per hour as they
go by so that they can honk at you longer. It’s happened. (Interviewers chuckling) Other
frustrating ones are, I’ve had frustrating circumstances when I’ve got on to this topic with like
some of my roommates, some of my closer friends that I’ve gotten to know through college. It’s
just frustrating because to me it seems so straightforward, but I know that’s because I’ve spent
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�when other people, like when I say two gametes form a zygote, that’s a new human being, to
me that’s a scientific fact. When people are like, ya know, I don’t know if that’s true, I’m like
ugh! When we live in a society that’s so dominated by the bias of scientific materialism,
basically the belief that science rules all, and yet the one or two times, the one time when that
is in our favor people are questionable about it. (chuckles) To me, being a more kinda
intellectual, science, philosophy, apologetics orientated guy that that’s really frustrating to me.
Saidah: So could you give us some historical events that have happened in your lifetime
regarding the pro life movement?
RJ: When you say historical events, you mean like nationally historical or like historical in my
past?
Saidah: Both. The progressions that the pro life movement has made.
RJ: Well, I don’t, I’m probably not the best person to talk about that because I’ve only really
been active for a few years. Ya know a big part of it takes place on the political stage, since
that’s how legal action gets done. And I’ve really only started to follow politics or anything for
like maybe a year or so. Now I feel like I follow stuff pretty regularly, like in the news and
politically and stuff. But, I mean I know that just a few weeks ago like in the state of Mississippi
there was a proposal that they called the personhood amendment or something like that, that
would establish in Mississippi’s state constitution that personhood begins at conception,
basically saying that all human beings are persons. Because that’s basically what the
conversation becomes about is human being versus person, you have to start drawing a line in
between there when you, when everybody agrees on the scientific fact that a zygote is a new,
unique, human organism. Scientifically the fact is that is a human organism that belongs to the
human species. And so the pro choice groups have to start coming up with reasons why that’s a
human but why it’s not a person when they start drawing this line between being human and
being a person. Which I think prior to this or if you were to ask, like a child who tends to have a
simplistic view of things, I think it’s kinda more common sense to say that well that all people
are people, all humans are people. So basically what this Mississippian amendment tried to do
a few weeks ago was define that saying personhood begins when the human begins. And so this
was faced with a lot of controversy and the group who organized this legislation wasn’t actually
the politicians, it was one of the right to life groups I talked about earlier who focus on the legal
aspects. They purposely went to Mississippi into this because Mississippi is one of the most
conservative states. And they tried to push this into their constitution so that could defend, so
that they could basically try to outlaw abortion within their state. They were purposely doing
this because they knew it would be in contradiction to Roe V. Wade. And so their goal was to
pass this law, put it into effect and people will challenge it and then their hope was that it
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�was their goal basically by trying to pass this amendment in Mississippi. And so I had been really
hoping that that would succeed, it did not succeed. Not for reasons because people thought
that unborn human beings should not be valuable, it was because, from what I understand,
because people were afraid of how it would affect issues of in vitro fertilization, how it would
affect some forms of birth control , because some forms of birth control do have the intention
of not allowing an embryo to implant in the womb, which would result in the death of a human
being. Ya know, that’s a fact. Whether or not the human being is valuable gets back to the issue
of, well, personhood. And so that was the concerns that I heard cited most among the people
who were against that Mississippi amendment. That could have been a very historical event.
My understanding is that they are going to try again, possibly word the amendment differently
so that those concerns won’t apply but that would still have the same effect basically. I feel like
there was something else recently... Oh, I know Michigan recently outlawed partial birth
abortions, which I think is a very good thing. It’s not enough, but it’s a very good thing.
Saidah: Sorry to interrupt. What’s partial abortion?
RJ: Partial birth abortion is, I honestly can’t believe anybody thinks this is ok, partial birth
abortion is treading the line of what is legal and what is not legal. Legally, a human is born
when the head is removed from it’s mother’s body. The head, specifically. Ok, so partial birth
abortion is a late term abortion, meaning that it’s done like eight. nine, seven weeks into the
pregnancy. And they induce labor, remove the child from the womb, they remove the legs, the
torso, the arms, everything except for the head. So they literally hold the baby so that only it’s
head is still inside it’s mother and then they’ll take scissors and put it into the child’s neck and
pierce it and then put a suction into that incision and literally suck out it’s brain. To kill it.
Because it’s not legally protected until the head is removed. So they remove everything except
for the head and then they kill it. This happens. In our country.
Saidah: Seems more gruesome than just regular abortion.
RJ: Yes. And it was legal in the state of Michigan up until a couple weeks ago. It’s legal but there
has to be certain circumstances of risk of health to the mother, not necessarily certain death
but just risks to their health. And then when they define health, they use the United Nations
definition of health which includes like economy and proper food and things like that. So it’s
not necessarily a risk to their life, it’s a risk to their health. So like if I have this child i’ll have to
spend money on it so I won’t be able to buy proper nutrition, ya know, I won’t be able to buy
food that is as nutritious as the food that I have right now so therefore having this child is a risk
to my health. So I could decide if I were a women and eight months pregnant that I, and there
are doctors who are so pro choice that they’ll say ok, just come up with any reason and I’ll do
this for you, ‘cause I don’t really think that there should be any rules against this so just come
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�have been many documented cases, the most recent one was in Philadelphia, with an abortion
doctor who , sometimes this partial birth abortion procedure goes wrong where the baby might
be too slippery or the head is too small and so they’re trying to remove it up to the head but
then it all comes out. And so now, legally, it’s a person. Now it’s protected but they wanted to
kill it so nobody’s watching so they’ll just kill it anyway, after it’s been born and nobody knows
the difference. And so there’s been documented cases of people getting caught doing this and
they get charged with murder. Where as if they did it thirty seconds earlier with the head still
inside the mother, then it’s ok. This is still legal in most places in the United States. There’s
been push back, they tried to ban it nationally and they actually got it passed I believe, during
Bill Clinton’s turn as president but he vetoed it I think. I don’t, i’m not sure if that’s correct,
that’s what I think happened. So that’s partial birth abortion, it’s now banned in Michigan,
thank god. And the thing about this is, the most common excuse for doing that basically is that
usually when you’re delivering you want to remove the head first because the head is usually
the largest and so if it doesn’t fit basically there’s not an immediate, urgent problem, you can
do other things to try to get it to fit. So if you, but it can cause problems for the mother, it can
be a risk. And so they’ll say ya know, well the head might be a little too big so this might be a
risk, and so then that’s an excuse to do this.
Saidah: Alright. Are there any articles, books, films or speeches that made your pro life stance
even stronger?
RJ: There’s one book that I read recently, by my mentor who I mentioned earlier, his book, he’s
an author, called the case for life. Which basically kind of outlines that same apologetic thing
that I was talking about earlier like the size of the home environment, degree of dependency
type thing. He didn’t coin that, that’s not his, he cites it for who came up with that way of
presenting the argument. That book was very good. It also touched on embryonic stem cell
research because embryonic stem cell research kills a human being in the embryo stage of
development. And that same book kind of addresses, preemptively addresses a lot of pro
choice arguments. I mean, that’s the best way to prepare for trying to persuade somebody is to
think about your case, think about how people might object to that and then be prepared to
address their objections. You gotta be able to play both sides in order, I think, to fully
understand an issue. And then that book’s called The case for life. Read that one recently, really
liked that one. That’s probably the only book I think I’ve ever read that is specifically about pro
life issues.
Saidah: Ok. So what is your stance on pro life and rape victims?
RJ: In cases of rape, I do not, it does not change what an abortion is. If who I’m talking to
accepts, if my roommate is correct that an unborn human being is of the same value and worth
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�and therefore we’re going to kill a third party person in order to relieve her suffering. I don’t
think that’s ok. People, ya know, will put it as it’s killing the child for the mistakes of the father. I
think that is a true explanation of what you’re doing, I think, if you’re actually trying to explain
that to somebody you need to go a little bit more in depth than that. I mean, it’s obviously a
terrible situation but it still doesn’t make killing a human being ok. There are very rare cases
where killing a human being is ok. I’m not saying that it’s completely impossible. Sometimes it is
the lesser of two evils. But I don’t think thats proper justification for killing a human being.
Obviously those women need and deserve all of our support, ya know I’m not going to say
tough luck, ya know that’s obviously not the response that I give. It’s a gracious no I still don’t
think it’s ok, I want to help you type of response.
Saidah: And students for life would throw out the option of adoption and things of that nature
as well correct?
RJ: Yeah, that’s always, I guess I probably should have stated that because that’s always just
and assumption in my mind that adoption is always an option. Personally, I’ve been affected by
the option of adoption (chuckles) heh, that rhymes, I have a little two year old cousin who was
recently adopted into our family. He’s going to be the ring bearer in my wedding next summer. I
love him and adoption really is beautiful. So it’s, if you were raped and conceived, it doesn’t
mean that you’re being condemned to being responsible for another human being for the rest
of your life, ya know, like you would be raising a child. There’s that option to allow another
couple who wants them to adopt them. And there are enough couples who want to adopt.
There are often, like in the debates I’ve been in, they often cite like there are so many children
here who don’t have adopting parents yet. But the main reason for that is adopting parents
generally want infants and newborns , where as the children who are in foster care and not
being adopted are generally more like five, six, seven, teenagers and those, at those ages there
are not usually enough parents who want to adopt teenagers. But I mean for newborn infants
there are many parents who want to adopt.
Saidah: Alright. How do you feel about pro life when it relates to the mother’s health, whether
it’s a rape victim or someone who is actively pursuing pregnancy?
RJ: So you’re saying like with risk to the mother’s life right? Ok. So this is where we kinda get
more into the, I was talking about earlier, sometimes there could be reasons to take the life of a
human being. This kinda gets into the stage where people start to think well maybe it is. So and
what, this is more kinda, my understands of the catholic church’s position on abortion, these
issues. I think most people agree with them, it’s what I believe makes a lot of sense and is just.
Ok so lets say that there’s a pregnancy that is developing complications that is, there is some
risk of the mother dying because of it. Alright, so lets say that to the best of our medical
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�mother’s life. Alright, so if the pregnancy were to take the mother’s life it would then take the
life of the unborn child because the child can’t survive without the mother. Right. So both the
mother and the child have a one third chance of dying in this case. So we can ethically preform
a procedure to try to remove the complications as long as the purpose isn’t to just directly kill
the unborn human being. The solution can’t be to kill this person to save that person. We can
do a procedure that has a chance of helping both of the human beings survive and so if there’s
a one third chance you can preform a procedure to try and help the mother that has like up to a
one third chance of resulting in the death of the unborn human being because the unborn
human being already is at a one third chance of dying. And so any procedure that has the
potential of helping it that still has that one third chance of resulting, ya know, might
accidentally kill the unborn child hasn’t put the unborn child at any greater injustice, it’s had a,
it’s been an effort to try to help both human beings survive.
Saidah: Would an example of that be the new medical advances, for example in utero surgery
and things of that nature?
RJ: Mmmhmm. I guess I kinda jumped right off to the complicated answer. I think the simple
answer is I think every effort should be made to save the mother and every effort made to save
the child. I believe they are of equal intrinsic value. Because none of the differences between
them change how much they’re worth. So they both, so there’s two lives here that we’re trying
to save, we should do everything we can to save both of them. And so there’s a difference here
between having a risk to the mother’s life and a certainty of taking the mother’s life. If there’s a
certainty that the pregnancy is going to end the mother’s life, which is really more kind of a
hypothetical situation, then there’s also a certainty that the unborn child is going to die as well.
And so if you do a procedure that has almost a certainty of killing the unborn child but that isn’t
the goal of it, like if there’s just a minute chance that the procedure may save both lives, even if
there’s like a 99.9% chance that it’s going to kill the unborn human being, there’s still that .1%
chance that you’re aiming for in doing this, then it would be moral to do that. Basically, it’s as
long as the intention isn’t to actively kill the unborn human being then it’s an ethical procedure.
Saidah: Ok. And so why do you think abortion is still legal when media and movies are always
advocating having the child? Do you think the media will help the pro life cause?
RJ: I think that the media does not help the pro life cause overall. Specifically like in the news
media and things like that. This kinda goes for all issues that are deemed liberal. I think it’s
pretty obvious that most of the media is liberally biased. That’s debatable though. Like in T.V.
shows and things like that, your right in that T.V. series that have had pregnancies worked into
the plot, they’ve realized that ending the pregnancy with abortion isn’t good for ratings. People
don’t like that. The reason I think abortion is still legal is because, well there’s a couple different
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�are is a belief in subjective morality and that people, there’s this pretty dominant belief
amongst like the youth in particular that there’s really no such thing as right and wrong, and
that it’s up to each individual to determine what’s right and wrong. I would love to have a
conversation with somebody about that by itself. That’s another one of those issues I was
talking about earlier, where my focus on pro life apologetics has branched out into these other
issues and this belief of subjective morality. I really like to have that conversation with people
and the apologetics of that and whether or not that really is true. And this is seen in things like
you shouldn’t force your beliefs on other people, is something I hear people often say. I think
that’s a contradictory statement. I could go into a long schpeel about why that’s a contradictory
statement but that’s a very dominant belief and so the problem here is even people who
believe abortion is wrong think that it should be a personal issue to everybody. Ya know. I think
that’s one of the big reasons people who, and another one of the reasons is because there’s
really kind of a spectrum of where peoples believes fall. There’s people who are extremely pro
choice and say all nine months of pregnancy shouldn’t have to have any reasons, you can just
have an abortion for whatever you want. Versus the very pro life end which says no. You
should never have an abortion, it’s never ok. And one of the problems is I think most people, I
feel safe saying that most people believe that abortion out of convenience is not ok. Alright.
And the fact is that most abortions are out of convenience. Convenience being like social,
economical reasons. Well, like, ya know I could support this child but I’d be very poor if I did so
I’d rather kill it would be a social economical reason. So most people agree that abortion out of
convenience is wrong but they still hold onto well, in cases of incest, rape and threats to the
mother’s life, then it’s still ok, is what, I think there’s a pretty good chunk of the American
population holds that type of position. And the thing is, is that if you have that type of position
you are pro life on 99% of pregnancy cases. Alright. But since they still hold onto those few
exceptions they consider themselves pro choice and then therefore when it comes to like a
vote or politically, they agree that we should have the choice to have an abortion. So I think one
of the problems is that on this big long spectrum, people that are even on the pro life end
consider, they call themselves pro choice. I think that’s one of the problems. So that, subjective
morality, media bias, I’d probably say those are the three main reasons.
Saidah: Ok. Does the pro life movement support or advocate abstinence?
RJ: No. We don’t really take a position on abstinence versus... I don’t know, what’s contrary
abstinence? Promiscuity? Promiscuity? (all chuckle) We don’t take a stance on that. I think that
if we were all to come to the conclusion that having sex results in a new human being we would
all take it a lot more seriously. I think it, I think that being pro choice encourages the nonabstinence only lifestyle. Because I mean if reproducing doesn’t really create another human
being and you can just get rid of it if you want, well then there’s not much responsibility
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�really, i’m not speaking from experience, but I mean I guess if you were really careful you could
avoid that pretty well and so it kinda becomes more of a thing for pleasure. I don’t think it’s just
a thing for pleasure. Personally I would encourage abstinence before marriage but i’m not going
to argue for that as strongly as I will for the pro life cause because I believe that abortion takes
the life of another human being, where as I think that if you have sex outside of marriage
without the abortion part related to it, I really just think you’re kind of hurting yourself. I think
in the end you’d be happier if you didn’t do that. I mean, you’re only hurting yourself so I’ll
defend your right to choose to do that, where as I will NOT defend your right to choose to take
the life of another human being.
Saidah: Ok. So the pro life movement’s more of a let me help you with the decision you’re faced
with right now, not a preventative type of measure.
RJ: There are some pro life groups who probably do purposely encompass the more
preventative stuff, but we don’t officially take a stand on that.
Saidah: Well thank you very much R.J.. We very much appreciate it.
RJ: You’re welcome. I enjoyed it.
Saidah: Yes, thank you. Are there any other, you know, last minute comments you want to give
us?
RJ: No, nothing. (chuckles) No, not really into this.
Saidah: Well thank you R.J.!
END OF INTERVIEW

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William McViker
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• (:15)Born August 12 1959 in Lewistown Pennsylvania
• Graduated from Lewistown Area High School
• Currently working for Perrigo in Allegan Michigan-Pharmaceutical Company
(2:00) Air Force
• Time enlisted during the bombing of Libya-4yr event
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(2:45) Turkey approximately ’82-88(based on daughter’s age while in Turkey)
• Visited Historical Sites
• Position: Nuclear Weapon Aircraft Security
• Worked with numerous men and officers guarding weapons
• (5:10) Family stayed on base
• Built close friendships
• Numerous cutbacks-lack of promotions
• (7:50)Training-South Dakota-proved challenging-matured oneself
• Sent to tech school--police training
• Reported to Army base-Camp Bullis-Air Base Ground Defense-spent hours in foxholes
• (9:50)Impact on the family-phone call status-gone from 8 hours to 4 days
• Two brothers in service-navy and marines
• (14:00)Service time 5 years 7 months
• Exited the service-drifted for few years
• (16:20)Williams believes in compulsory military service
• Detox from military life was difficult
(19:30)Michigan
• New wife had family in Michigan
• Palisades Nuclear Power Plant offered William job--security
• Ran Sporting goods store
• Began working for Perrigo
• (27:40)Father died at 49 years old when William was 21 years old

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Grand Valley State University Special Collections
Kent County Oral History collections, RHC-23
Mrs. Richard Meade
Interviewed on September 15, 1971
Edited and indexed by Don Bryant, 2010 – bryant@wellswooster.com
Tape #7, 8 (1:15:27)
Biographical Information
Mary Alice Martin was born 27 April 1897 in Grand Rapids, Michigan. She died on 20 August
1982 in East Grand Rapids. Her parents were John B. Martin, born January 1867 in Grand
Rapids, Michigan, and Althea Winchester, born March 1867 in Grand Rapids, Michigan. John
and Althea were married in Grand Rapids on 11 October 1894. John was the son of Joseph H.
Martin and Mary Alice Lantsberry, both born in England. Althea was the daughter of Samuel
Alexander Winchester and Rebecca Bailey, both from New Hampshire.
Mary Alice Martin married Henry C. Robinson about 1926. As her second husband she married
Richard Hardaway Meade on 30 November 1946. Richard was the son of Richard Hardaway
Meade, Jr. and Eleanor Prior “Nellie” Atkins and he was born 10 May 1897 in Richmond,
Henrico County, Virginia. Richard died 5 February 1993 in Grand Rapids. Mary Alice Martin
Meade died 20 August 1982 at her home in East Grand Rapids.
A finding aid for the Bartholomew Plan mentioned in this interview can be seen at
http://www.grpl.org/wiki/images/c/cd/115.pdf
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Interviewer: Mrs. Meade, you just mentioned that your grandfather came here in eighteen fiftytwo. Where did he come from and why did he come to this area?
Mrs. Meade: My grandfather Martin came here in eighteen fifty-two. He originally came from
England and he came from Southampton, as far as we know. He and another family came over
and then went to Elyria, Ohio. We don‟t know exactly why he came to Grand Rapids from
Elyria, but he did come and there are many stories about his coming. Apparently he had a horse
and a wagon and he went to Chicago and before they came over, the horse fell overboard and my
grandfather jumped in after him and pulled him by his tail and got him back on the ship, but
anyway, they finally arrived in Grand Rapids. Originally I think he went in to the grocery store
business because in old pictures I have seen of Grabs Corners, you could see there was a sign
Joseph H. Martin. I think he started out probably as a grocer and then little by little he became
interested in real estate and he also had a brother named Uncle Thomas. And he and his brother
were very much interested in the Plank Road that went to Kalamazoo. At one point, as you

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probably know, they thought the railroad was coming to Grand Rapids and then afterwards they
decided it was going to Kalamazoo so many people in Grand Rapids sold their land because they
thought it was never going to develop. And they developed this road to Kalamazoo where they‟d
take, I suppose loads and things to ship and my grandfather helped with the regular freight line I
think. And then eventually, the railroad came to Grand Rapids so that road was no longer
important. But it was important at that time and then he went into the real estate business and
then he became a banker. He was on the first board of, I think you call it the Old National Bank
at that time when Harvey Hollister was the president. I can go back that far. Harvey Hollister and
my grandfather were great friends and even took a trip abroad and I have some of their letters
and diaries from that trip. So he lived here and he married a Mary Alice Lantsberry. The
Lantsberry family came over from England with the Martin family then they went to Elyria and
the Lantsberry family also came to Grand Rapids. And he married one of the daughters and I‟m
not sure but I think his brother married one of the other daughters. But anyway, I am named after
my, I am named Mary Alice Martin because of my grandmother‟s name became Mary Alice
Martin, she was a Lantsberry. Their graves are out here in the little old cemetery on Fulton Street
and my great grandfather is also buried there, Peter Martin and his wife and that‟s where most of
the old families are buried over there you‟ll see all of the graves. My grandfather on mother‟s
side was Samuel Winchester. And his family, the Winchester family came to this country much
earlier way back in the sixteen hundreds. They came to Boston and that family is a very large
family, you find the name Winchester throughout the country. Winchester Arms is part of that
family, Winchester, Massachusetts was named after one of the Winchesters; and I have the
history of that whole family. But my particular branch came, my grandfather‟s father I think was
a minister and he went from Boston then to Ashburnham, Massachusetts then to Keene, New
Hampshire and they lived up there for some time. They were farming families and they must
have been interested in furniture making and my grandfather‟s -this is particularly interesting to
Grand Rapids - my grandfather‟s sister Mary married old C.C. Comstock who is very much
involved in the history of Grand Rapids. He also came from Keene, New Hampshire or that area
and they came out here. She had tuberculosis and for some reason they felt that going west,
would help her. So they did come west and they finally ended in Grand Rapids and I should be
able to tell you the number of children, but they had two or three children. One was Mrs. [Mary
Ella Comstock] Konkle and I‟m sure Fran Russell could tell you all this because she died finally
and then Comstock married again and he married Fran Russell‟s grandmother and his mother and
Mrs. Boltwood were the children from that marriage so in a way Fran and I are related.
Interviewer: Mr. Russell is one of the people we are going to be interviewing.
Mrs. Meade: Oh, you must interview him because he has wonderful diaries, written by old C.C.
Comstock and the old building, there‟s still a little old office building one that they show when
they take people on that tour from museum. That little office building is still down there.
Interviewer: Is that supposedly the oldest building still standing in the city?

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Mrs. Meade: No, not the law office. No, but this is another building. It‟s on lower Monroe, but
kind of quite a ways out. The day I went on this tour they pointed that out and I never knew that
myself. C.C. Comstock had a lot to do with it. My grandfather Winchester and his brothers
started, I think the first furniture factories here but they didn‟t do very well with it and his
brother-in-law Comstock had to buy them out and that furniture factory I think originally, or
eventually became the factory that‟s called Nelson-Matter which was a famous well known
factory in the earlier days. I may be a little mixed up on these facts but this is the way I
remember it.
Interviewer: When did the Winchester branch of the family come to Grand Rapids?
Mrs. Meade: Well, I can‟t really tell you, I ought to be able to but I can‟t really tell you but I
think it was after my grandfather Martin came here.
Interviewer: Did they come because they were interested in furniture?
Mrs. Meade: Well, no they didn‟t, I think partly, but they also came because C.C. Comstock‟s
wife Mary was a sister and she wrote back and said this is a fine place to come and would be a
good place for making furniture and so forth and that‟s why I think they were interested in
coming. I think it was a little bit later and I can find that fact out for you I think if I search back
in some of these.
Interviewer: Your grandfather Martin, they had some children and your father was who?
Mrs. Meade: My father was John B. Martin and they had, I ought to be able to tell you, they had
about five children and three little boys, three of their children and one little girl died at a very
early age, all of them buried over here in the cemetery. My father and my aunt Martha lived and
my Aunt Martha married a clergyman and her name was Mrs. Thorton B. Penfield and she went
to live in the East and always lived there and there are great many children. I mean, she had 3
children there was quite a large family from her family and my father and my mother. My father
married a Winchester, my mother‟s name was Althea Winchester and there were four of us, three
boys and myself.
Interviewer: What did your father do, John B. Martin?
Mrs. Meade: He went into business with my grandfather. My grandfather worked so hard as
young man and as he grew up, also he lost his wife at a very early age and he didn‟t marry again
for quite a long time and when my father came back from being away at school, he was sent east
to Andover. I‟m mixing this all up, I‟m afraid, but anyway my father because he had no mother
they were both sent away to school and my father to Andover and the he was to go to Yale. In
the meantime, he went to school in Brooklyn and he met, well his best friend was a boy named
Irving Bush. His father was Irving Bush, who built the Bush Terminals in Brooklyn and if you
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freight in and everything. His father had overworked and they told him he had to take a year off
and not do anything. So he built a yacht and the yacht was called the Coronet. I‟ve grown up on
these stories. He told his boy of his that he could invite one of his friends to go with him on this
trip and they would be gone a year and they were going around the world. My father was invited
at the age of eighteen and he asked his father, my grandfather, Joseph Martin, said you may go
take this trip or you can go to college but you have to choose one or the other. So naturally he
took the trip around the world. I have all the diaries of that trip and it was the most amazing trip.
It was the first private yacht that ever as far as anybody knows that had gone around the world.
He went around in great fashion. A hundred and twenty foot yacht, a crew of I don‟t know how
many. My father had the most marvelous time in the world and we were all brought up on the
stories of this trip. Especially about China and Japan and the Far East, that was what interested
him the most and many of the things you see in this room, he brought back. The bronzes and
things, my father at the age eighteen brought those things back. He had enough sensitivity, I
don‟t think he knew a thing about them, but he did buy and bring back these lovely things and
we grew up on this trip, so I‟ll show you why this ties in eventually. When he got back, he
couldn‟t go to college because he wasn‟t supposed to but my grandfather was almost worn out
and so he had to give up business and in the meantime he married again a lovely person, the only
one I ever knew as my grandmother, her name was Rose Brooks and he married her. So he was
in and out of the business, more or less retired and father just took over. It was, how do I say it,
mortgages and loans and things like that. For instance, if somebody came and many, many
people like the Dutch and the Italians, people like that who came and needed a little money that
has nothing to do with the bank and borrow money you know that had no collateral or anything,
they‟d come to father or my grandfather and they would loan them enough to get started. Mr.
Russo got started that way, that Italian. A great many of the people that I have met since have
said to me “Oh, your grandfather, your father were the ones that helped us.” He loaned them
enough to get started and eventually they got into different kinds of business and particularly
banking. My father, you know was Vice President of the bank changed names so no longer the
old Grand Rapids Savings and it became Peoples Bank, but my grandfather was on the board of
the Old National which is now Old Kent Bank and my son Oliver is now in the Union Bank so
we‟re all mixed up in banks. Well, I probably have not told you what you wanted to know,
branching off here.
Interviewer: No. That‟s good I like to find out background about how families arrived in Grand
Rapids. Where did you grow up as a child?
Mrs. Meade: I grew up, I was born in Grand Rapids; I was born right on Madison Avenue, fivefifteen Madison Avenue. And I grew (up) in that house on Madison. We were all born there and
we all grew up there. We loved it, it was a wonderful house. It‟s in the Heritage Hill area and it
was a house that was built by I think his name was Stockwell and I think he was related to the
Belknaps. I think he was either a son-in-law or something, but he married a Belknap and built
that house. And after two or three years he sold it or wanted to sell it and my grandfather bought

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it for my mother and father and gave it to them, for a wedding present. My mother nearly died,
if you could go see it, it‟s a huge house with the ceilings ten and-twelve feet. To just even curtain
one window, was expensive to let alone all this. Anyway this was a gift, so they lived there and
little by little they furnished it and my grandfather and grandmother would come back part of the
year and live with them. They had a room, we had one big living room and then another room
and a bath that was my grandfather‟s and grandmother‟s. We all grew up [with] one bathroom
upstairs, plenty of bedrooms, but one bathroom. I can see it now, it was all lined with tin and
eventually it was very, very sophisticated because we got one of these things called geyser and
we got gas finally and you know you could light it then it heated it. You‟re too young to
remember this it would [heat] the water and then it was nice hot baths. The house had lots of
fireplaces; oh it was a beautiful house to grow up in. We had lovely times and gatherings.
Interviewer: What was the neighborhood like?
Mrs. Meade: Oh, the neighborhood was a lovely neighborhood; all my friends lived up and down
the whole Madison Avenue. We all went to school at Lafayette school down there. Now it has
been rebuilt, but that was the school, dandy school.
Interviewer: You went to the public schools then?
Mrs. Meade: Oh yes, we all went to the public school. There was a private school here, but I
don‟t know, I was never sent to it. Some of my friends were, but I thought we had a wonderful
education, there were marvelous teachers. Then from there we went up to what we called Central
Grammar and that was up, I suppose it was like the Junior High school but it was one year we
had in this school and it is no longer there, but it was right back where the old high school is
now. Not Central but the other one over there on Ransom or something. I don‟t know what they
call it now, a big old building up there and that was the high school and we went to a school right
back of that called Central, Central Grammar. From there I went to the new high school which
was Central up on Fountain and I don‟t know what other high school [was] but formerly it was
that other high school. I‟ll tell you something we used to do. Where we lived, there was a little
bit of pavement, in front of our house and from then on there was nothing but dirt roads and we
had a great big barn which is now burned down. I haven‟t been down to look at but it‟s burned
down. We always had horses, my father was a great horseman; he loved horses. He always had a
saddle horse and we always had ponies. Across from us on Madison Avenue, at that point, there
was nothing between Madison Avenue and College Avenue, it was all open territory. There was
no Morris Avenue at all. We had a big field there that we kept our cow in and our pony and our
horse. You won‟t believe this but we did. And my father was very interested in farming till the
day he died we had a farm. And every summer the entire Martin family would get into a carriage
before we had cars, or eventually when we had cars, and we had our first farm out near
Plainfield. If you go out the new Beltline, it was called Peach Ridge or Peach something, but it
was where Mr. [O. W.] Braman‟s farm and our farm was [Section 35, Plainfield Township]. We
had peaches and fruit and everything else. We built a cottage, a house out there and it is still

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standing there. We would have these Dutch families come over to work on the farm and my
father brought over any number of these families and the children would work, you see for their
father. Father never paid them but any way they‟d work on these farms until eventually they got
enough money so they could buy the farm. One of these farmers bought that farm from my
father. Then we bought another farm which we still own a little bit of land out here near Ada, the
Alta Dale farm, which is now called the Holiday farm.
Interviewer: Is that the one that is now owned by the Crawfords?
Mrs. Meade: Yes, that was our farm; it only had two ownerships before my father got it. One
belonged to Rix Robinson; he owned all that land from where our farm began all the way to Ada.
Then Philo Fuller, who was one of the former mayors of Grand Rapids, owned it for many years
and then my father bought it. It was four or five hundred acres. It went all along the river, very
rich bottom land. We had a dairy farm and then we had a grain farm. It was not a fruit farm; the
other farm was a fruit farm. I grew up on the farm at Peach Ridge, but that isn‟t quite it, out there
[It was called the High Lands (1907)]. When I was about ten we bought this other farm and we
all went out there to live. The first year we all lived in tents, we camped on top of this hill we
still own. We still own this place. The war came along although they had plans to build a house
and you couldn‟t build in those days. They wanted everybody to have War Gardens. You are too
young to remember this, but we all thought this was a fine idea to be patriotic. We hired a farmer
and I got all these girls, I was in Vassar at that point and I got all these girls from college to come
out and some of them from here, ten or twelve of us and we all lived in a big tent out there.
Father and Mother put up just a little tiny place where they could sleep and we could have a
kitchen and dining room where we could all eat. We had a War Garden and we had a great fun
along with the war I guess. Eventually they added on to that and eventually I built a house out
there. Father‟s finally burned down many years later and my house is still standing but is slightly
going to pieces I think. We still own that hill top.
Interviewer: Do you still use that cottage you have out there?
Mrs. Meade: I don‟t. My brother Joe, do you know my brother Joe?
Interviewer: Yes.
Mrs. Meade: Well, he‟s a great naturalist and he‟s always loved country and knows everything
about birds and everything else, so he used it as a sanctuary. He has the Audubon Society out and
everybody goes out and we go out of course and picnic and things like that. We have a place
down by the lake now so that I haven‟t used that cottage.
Interviewer: Yes, I grew up right in back of your brother.
Mrs. Meade: You did?
Interviewer: I used to be over there all the time; we used to be down…..

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Mrs. Meade: You mean on Cambridge?
Interviewer: On Plymouth.
Mrs. Meade: He has trouble with his eyes and he hasn‟t been able to do much. It‟s been pitiful
because he has such interest in things like that.
Interviewer: He‟s a great photographer.
Mrs. Meade: He is a great photographer and he has more hobbies and could do more things with
his hands; nobody in the else in the family could do anything but he can. He‟s marvelous with
children but he has used that a lot. And we still own the hilltop which is by far the nicest part.
When we got it, there wasn‟t a thing on it. There had been marvelous trees and marvelous forest
there and someone that I talked to one time, remembered when it was forested then they cut it all
off so when we got it there were no trees on top. Father had this old Mr. (?) well, he was the first
landscape man, hmm; this shows I‟m getting old here. Anyway, we imported, he imported
everything. In those days you couldn‟t buy all these shrubs and things in this country so he
imported something like twenty thousand shrubs and trees for that place. There are all sort of
unusual things on that twenty acres that we had where houses were. They used to come up from
Lansing and all over. He was very interested in different kind of conifers and we have a lot of
them. The birch trees in there are European Birch and the most beautiful trees. Our birch don‟t
last the way these do. Mr. [Mathias] Alten, the painter used to come out and paint those Birch
trees. You go in there sometime it‟s really beautiful.
Interviewer: I will, I know where that is.
Mrs. Meade: I‟m afraid we haven‟t kept it up lately because we haven‟t been able to get
anybody to do anything.
Interviewer: Did many of the families in your neighborhood and in the Hill District have farms
in the country like that? Summer retreats?
[Audio gets bad here 26:00]
Mrs. Meade: Well, I don‟t know many, I can think of for instance the Wilcox family. This place
right over here was the Wilcox farm. Where, do you know which was Mrs. Wilcox‟s house? The
original house is one that what‟s his name lives in, you know, the man who owns that motel.
Interviewer: You mean the large house that sits in off the road right near the quad where they
have the swimming pool? I know the house is for sale but I don‟t know who bought it. He owns
a motel?
Mrs. Meade: He owned that townhouse thing. He and someone else have an interest in that. I
don‟t know why I can‟t think of his name. That‟s the original Wilcox house, farm house they‟ve
done a lot to it but it was a farm house and this area was farm land. My family was always

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interested and I don‟t know why particularly because I don‟t think they came from farming
families in England but they were just interested. [For] my father it was a great hobby. Up to the
day he died, he was getting up to ride his horse at the age of eighty-nine when he died, he had a
stroke. So he was always interested in farming.
Interviewer: That sounds like George Welsh. He was riding till he was eighty-five.
Mrs. Meade: I knew George; he didn‟t die, did he?
Interviewer: No, I said up until he was eighty-five.
Mrs. Meade: Oh, I knew George, so did my father. He put me on the Planning Commission in
Grand Rapids at one point. If this wasn‟t a tape recording, I‟d tell you the rest of the story. I
always had a great deal of admiration for him as well as not approving for some of the things. I
think that he was very, never made a nickel out politics. I think he was very honest in that respect
and I think he saw what was happening to Grand Rapids and when he went to Boston, he saw the
problem of parking that they were having in Boston. He came back to Grand Rapids and he
immediately began to push for people having parking lots and buying up areas that weren‟t being
used and making parking possible. He was certainly the one that decided that we had to have
planning in Grand Rapids and my father had been chairman of the Planning Commission for
many years and they had done in the beginning a good job when they had some money. Little by
little, they [had] practically no money. He saw the importance of planning and that Ken Welsh
became the chairman of it and asked me to be on and some others. We got a good planning
commission and he backed us right to the hilt on everything we did. I have very high feelings
towards him. He did some things I didn‟t think were right too and I told him that but anyway by
in large.
Interviewer: Did anybody plan Heritage Hill out?
Mrs. Meade: I have the earliest plans here. All of that area was studied; I don‟t think as it
developed, how it was developed, that it was planned… I know the first plans were nineteen
eight, probably. There was a plan before the Bartholomew plan. And I have that plan. Then there
was the Bartholomew Plan which was about [nineteen] twenty-seven. Then when we took in (it?)
about nineteen forty-three I think it was, that plan was rolled up in the attic in the city hall. On
the other hand, I think if it had been effective in some ways and it was good planning for the
period.
Interviewer: Was this the plan for the Heritage Hill area?
Mrs. Meade: Well, no.
Interviewer: Or was this a plan for the city?

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Mrs. Meade: This was a plan for the city, it wasn‟t just Heritage Hill. Heritage Hill was
probably part of it but it wasn‟t. I think they probably have those plans at the library. I don‟t
think Heritage Hill was planned as such it just grew up to a certain point. Then there was a great
deal of interest of planning in the early days when they saw the way Philadelphia was developing
and New York and so forth. I can remember my father got very interested in the fact that we
should do something here. They brought in the planners and but the trouble was then no one
realized that planning was and everyday process and that couldn‟t just have someone do a plan
and then go off. It has to be brought into operation.
[32:40 the Audio clears up]
Interviewer: Why does Heritage Hill have such a diversity of architectural style?
Mrs. Meade: I‟m very interested in domestic architecture because I do think it reveals the history
of a city and when it developed and I think for instance if you will notice southern Michigan and
Northern Ohio, you find a great many houses that are similar to the houses you find in the east,
the early American houses. The reason for that is I think that after the war many of those men
were given land out in this area and many of them wanted to build the same type of houses that
they were very familiar with and I think that is one reason for many of those early American
houses and for Greek Revival there. Up here we were a little bit later in developing, from
eighteen thirty-seven on and where as you get a few Greek Revival houses, now the Greek
Revival period was from about eighteen twenty till about eighteen fifty. You get such as the Dix
House for instance and there are other houses here that were purely Greek Revival. Then Grand
Rapids was a little bit later and we went into the Victorian Era and we went into, the house I
grew up in was a Victorian house, late Victorian. Which I think called the Gothic Period. It was
really covered with little gargoyles and scrolls they developed the scroll saw you that did all this
fancy work and our whole house was filled with that sort decoration and it‟s not certainly not the
best period of architecture, little cupolas and those things. You found the Gothic Revival; you‟ll
see quite a few of those houses here. You also saw quite a few houses built out of river stone for
instance that little house next to the Art Gallery is built out of river stone. We had some other
lovely houses like that but many of them have been taken down. I think Grand Rapids to me is
interesting, because of the variety of architecture. It wasn‟t just one period but it was drawn from
all these various periods. Most of it not really the best period, I don‟t think.
Interviewer: Was there competition perhaps between people of means in the Hill District in the
Heritage Hill area in the design of their houses? I walk down the street and like you say the
diversity of styles, they will be a house here of one particular style and right next door is a house
just as large but it‟s a completely different style. Do you have any idea of why that [happened]
from your knowledge?
Mrs. Meade: No, I don‟t think I‟m old enough to have that knowledge. Most of those houses
were built when I grew up. For instance, I can remember going to all those houses, where all

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these friends of mine lived, [and] practically all of them had a ballroom in their attic, all those
houses. You‟ll find the old Wilcox house that was given to the YWCA, has a lovely ballroom.
My aunt, Mrs. Walter Winchester‟s house, wasn‟t a very big house down on Madison, they had a
ballroom. The Waters‟ house, which is now made into apartments, that had a beautiful ballroom.
And our parties as we were little children, we were quite young, they had parties at their houses.
We always walked to these things and we‟d dance up in these ballrooms. The Russell house, I
don‟t know about the Boltwood‟s, but the Russell is still standing, they had a beautiful ballroom.
That‟s where we used to have some of the best parties; there were never anything at school. We
had to go to somebody‟s house but everybody, so many people had ballrooms you see that that‟s
where we would, and they were big houses. I don‟t think there was any thought of competing
with somebody else. I think in those days, things were so much less expensive and there was
plenty of help, plenty of help. Even though they were paid only three dollars a week, that was
good pay you know. Our house which was a big house, we always had two people; I mean
usually a cook and a maid. That was much less than most people had. I mean everybody lived
that way, the hired girl you know.
Interviewer: What nationality were these hired people?
Mrs. Meade: Well, mostly Dutch and mostly they‟d come in from the farms and their family
would want the girl to have a job in town and would learn about housekeeping and so forth and
they‟d come in and you‟d train them. They wouldn‟t know anything usually when came to most
of us I mean some of them got very sophisticated help, but most of us didn‟t. Even when I was
first married, I had girl after girl that would come from up north or some little town and they‟d
come and you‟d teach them how do everything. To this day, I have any number of these girls
living right here in Grand Rapids and every so often they come and now they are now married.
And they come and bring their children. I‟ve even had one or two of daughters work for me since
then. It was a wonderful relationship, you did all sorts of things for them, but they weren‟t, I
wouldn‟t say they were meant to be part of the family, they cooked and wait on the table and do
that sort of thing but that‟s all gone now, there‟s nothing to that anymore. I don‟t think that was a
bad thing because they all learned and they went on to their own little houses and did things
nicely and brought up their children nicely. I‟m just proud of the ones I had.
Interviewer: Then it was a socializing process as much as it was a working?
Mrs. Meade: Yes I think so. There was no thought of being inferior or anything like that. The
same thing I think, my husband comes from Richmond, Virginia. There‟s nothing more “south”
then that and he grew up with a mammy that looked after all of them. These families just
worshipped these mammies. They took care of them till they died and his mammy couldn‟t read
or write, he used to teach her, try to teach her to read and write. There was a wonderful
relationship between these people and of course now it‟s all gone.

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Interviewer: Were there quite a few parties when you were young? Was there more partying
than there is today?
Mrs. Meade: Many. I don‟t know that there were more parties but I would say that we had a
great many parties. At Christmas time, if we were away at school or college and came back and
before that, each family gave a little party. They were usually quite early in the evening, and of
course we never had anything to drink or smoke or anything like that. I mean they were nice
parties and we thought they were absolutely marvelous but we certainly didn‟t know anything
about what they are doing today. I‟m sure today they think they, well they ask what you did. It
sounds absolutely silly when you tell them. We all thought we had a marvelous time.
Interviewer: What did you do at your parties?
Mrs. Meade: We mostly danced, I think.
Interviewer: Were they pretty formal affairs?
Mrs. Meade: Some were quite formal; yes some of them got to be quite formal, in those days. Of
course there was a great deal of wealth here in Grand Rapids and there were all these families
who I, our family never belong to the country club but I knew a few people who did and once in
a while somebody would give a party out there and then it was very formal and we all got
dressed up and went. Always chaperoned, in fact all the older people would come out and watch
us, dance and everything else. We didn‟t like that very much. Anyway, it was fun. To begin with
before that we didn‟t have any cars but after we had cars. For instance we used to have these
ponies and one of the things we did that was most fun, we had a sleigh and we had a long, long
bob sled and we would all pile on that bob sled . Somebody would drive the ponies and we‟d pull
this thing along behind. Eight or ten people or more than that could get on it you see. We‟d go all
over town with that or else we‟d take it out and we‟d slide down Washington Street. You know
Washington Street was the best one to slide on that there was; you didn‟t run into something at
the bottom. We‟d zip down that thing and all around the corner where the museum is now.
That‟s where we used to slide. We did that kind of thing. I can‟t remember anyone skiing but we
tobogganed and we slid and we skated. We skated out here all the time. I can remember Don
Baxter, who you remember Howard Baxter, of Baxter Laundry. Don was his brother and he
invented things. He invented something that had a propeller out in front just like an airplane you
know and a little box and we‟d sit in this thing behind and this thing would go across Reed‟s
Lake. It was terribly fast and we‟d all take turns riding on that. They had those ice sails and we
all did that. We did lots of things out of doors.
Interviewer: Getting back to those parties, those dances, someone mentioned to me that in one of
those houses they had a kind of floating dance floor, it bounced, it moved when you danced on it.
Did you ever?
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Interviewer: I can‟t remember. There‟s a name for that kind of dance floor.
Mrs. Meade: I‟ve been on them in New York, where they whirled, they moved slowly around
but I‟ve never been on one….
Interviewer: It was built so there would be a flex to the dance floor.
Mrs. Meade: That might be, but I don‟t recognize that, I don‟t remember that.
Interviewer: Were the families in your neighborhood when you were growing up quite close?
Was there a lot of interaction between the families?
Mrs. Meade: Yes, I just knew everybody up and down street.
Interviewer: Did your parents?
Mrs. Meade: We all did, right where I lived for instance, we knew the May family, and across
the street lived the Wallin family, the Van Wallin family. Do you know who Franklin Wallin is?
Well, his family was quite a prominent family and his grandfather was. There‟s a Wallin church
and so forth. They lived there and my aunt and uncle, Walter Winchester lived near us; the
Tietsorts, the Dean family lived on that street. Well, just that whole area. Senator [William
Alden] Smith lived up about a block from us. I don‟t think, but the place we thought was the
most elegant was Lafayette Street where the Fullers lived there and Mr. O‟Brien who was our
Ambassador to Japan and the Holt family. In that area right around there, I would say probably,
our most distinguished families or the most socially prominent families that lived there,
Lafayette up to Fountain right along there. It‟s all ruined now, more or less. You know that one
house, [with] that Jewish thing built out in front of it. I don‟t know, I haven‟t been along there to
notice but that was where they lived.
Interviewer: Who lived in that house, that the synagogue is built on to?
Mrs. Meade: Well, I don‟t know. There was the Fuller family, ones the Fullers and ones the
O‟Briens. It‟s the one or the other I can‟t remember which one. I think it was the O‟Brien House.
The Holts were a very distinguished family and well the Booths lived out there. They came a
little bit later but they were there. Jo Bender would know all that because she was more that
group you see. I mean I was a little bit younger, I was scared to death of them but she knew
them. They were the kind that looked you up and down you know and you never felt you were
properly dressed. They used to come out to country club and watch us dance. The Waters family
and the Hollisters and the White family were another very fine interesting family. You should
really sometime talk to Rugee White. He‟s caustic, but anyway his family, I mean there‟s
Stewart Edward White, who was the writer and there‟s Gilbert who was the artist and there was
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Interviewer: There‟s a funny story about him. He was at a party one night and a woman came up
to him and said, “Oh, you‟re one of the White family” and mentioned his brothers and she said,
“But you, what do you do?” And he looked up and said, “Oh, I freckle.”
Mrs. Meade: That would be just about what he„d say something like. But, on the other hand, he
was probably the best fisherman and hunter in Michigan. I mean he knew more about it, he‟s
never written anything, he could of, but he really knew everything, he was very good at that.
Interviewer: You mentioned you were scared to death of this older group, why was that?
Mrs. Meade: Well, only because people, I don‟t know why I always felt they were of the
ultimate socially and I didn‟t probably think, you know there is a certain age where you are
terribly shy and you don‟t feel you have any poise and you don‟t feel as though you probably are
dressed as you should be if you went to the party or something. Girls I know especially go
through a period like that. It makes me laugh as I look back on it but anyway, I can always
remember the first time I was invited to the Holt‟s house for lunch and I was so impressed that I
got asked.
Interviewer: You didn‟t make any blunders, did you?
Mrs. Meade: I hope not, but I was afraid I‟d might you know. Well, of course there was the
Blodgett family, and the Lowe family; the Blodgetts and the Lowes were the ultimate of the
whole thing, they were the wealthiest of all. But they couldn‟t have been nicer families, just
wonderful families. They were very nice to all of us, and were the Blodgett family, Katherine
Blodgett who is now Katherine Hadley was just my age and she‟s one of my closest friends now,
but I didn‟t know her as a little girl. She went to high school along with the rest of us and so I got
to know her very well. The Lowe family, there was no one exactly, Jimmie was a little bit
younger than I was and others were a little bit older but I knew them all. Mrs. Lowe was a very
gracious lovely hostess and so was Mrs. Blodgett. They lived beautifully and we used to always
love it, if we were invited there.
Interviewer: Was status a very important thing then?
Mrs. Meade: As compared to now or what, I don‟t know?
Interviewer: Yes, as compared to now?
Mrs. Meade: Well, I don‟t know how to answer that. I suppose it was. I was quite aware as I
grew up of the people who were in society so to speak. We had a society. It was a real society
then, there‟s no society anymore
Interviewer: How does that period of time differ from this period of time? When you say there is
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Mrs. Meade: I don‟t know every family that I think that was socially prominent was socially
prominent for some real reason. I mean the father was a distinguished person that had done
something important. It wasn‟t necessarily money. Well, you take the Campau family. I knew
them very well. Did you know DuBarry or any of that family? I mean they weren‟t a family of
wealth at all, but they were an old, old Grand Rapids family who helped found the city; we all
knew that you see. The Butterfield family, all of our families helped start this town and we all
had little part in it one way or another, some maybe more than others. Now you take for instance
some of the Jewish families that I grew up with here, the Wolf family and the Amberg family
and the Mays and the Housemans. We couldn‟t have had nicer Jewish people any place than
these families that I grew up with. Budge Hyman, Art Wolf, and Elizabeth Wolf and these
people were our close friends and they were part of our little group just as close as could be. In
the long run, most of them did marry into the Jewish, but I can remember wondering why in the
world people talk about, feel as they did, about the Jews when I never know anybody but the
nicest most generous cultured people. We were lucky to have and some of those families are still
here.
Interviewer: The ethnic groups, for example, Jews and Dutch, I would imagine that Dutch at that
time were mostly immigrants, is that correct?
Mrs. Meade: Well, no, because for instance the Steketee family certainly I wouldn‟t call them
immigrants. I grew up with all of them, knew them very well. I would of, yes I grew up with
them. I don‟t think, they maybe were as socially prominent as the Holt family or something like
but they were wonderful families. We all knew them well. The Keelers, they weren‟t Dutch were
they? There were a great many Dutch families of course that came to this area who were the
farming families but then there were some of the others that came too.
Interviewer: In other words there was a lot of social interaction between all groups because you
were a member of a particular ethnic group, you didn‟t stay in your own group at all? There was
mixing?
Mrs. Meade: No, I would say maybe the Polish. For instance, we got quite a big Polish group
that live on the West side, and we may have some little groups like that because they have Polish
Clubs I know and so forth. I don‟t remember knowing any Polish people that I think of. I don‟t
know why I didn‟t but I didn‟t.
Interviewer: Was there a great division between the west side and the east side?
Mrs. Meade: I, perhaps, think so because I grew up on this side for instance we owned a house
over on Mt. Vernon Street and [one day] somebody said to me, "What are you doing?" I said
“Oh, I am having a wonderful time. I‟m redoing or painting this house that we owned. It must
have belonged to some family, wealthy family; it‟s a beautiful house and its lovely old carved
stairway.” I was going on in great length and she said, “Where is it?” I said, “It was on a street
you never heard of. It‟s called Mt. Vernon Street.” She said, “Let me tell you that I lived on Mt.

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Vernon St. and all the people you know lived over there. Siegel Judd lived there; then all of the
Stewart family lived there.” And then she went on everybody I knew had lived on the west side
right in that area. Scribner, Mt. Vernon and all along there see and I didn‟t know that. I think
they all moved eventually to this side but many, many of our well known families started right
there on the west side.
Interviewer: How would you define society today? Today you said that today there is no society,
why do you feel that way?
Mrs. Meade: I don‟t know if I should have said that.
Interviewer: You said the thing that distinguished your society was that your position or
entrance into society did not necessarily depend on wealth, but on achievement
Mrs. Meade: I think, I just think that the families that we knew, nearly all were families that were
a real part of this town. Going all the way back from the Campaus on up to John Ball. Now for
instance, John Ball was one of our wonderful people in the early days. I have a marvelous book
about him. His children, his family were still living here. I knew some of them, Miss Ball one of
them worked down at the library for years and years and years. Another sister married a man
named Hopkins. I knew them because I think because they were a part of Grand Rapids. Yet, the
people I knew, the very small group compared to whole side of the city.
Interviewer: That society that was in existence when you were young, that isn‟t in existence any
longer, what can you attribute to the demise of that?
Mrs. Meade: Well, a lot of it, I mean should we talk about gracious living and so forth. That
takes time, leisure and money. Many of those families did have a great deal of money and they
did have the time to travel and they lived nicely because they had servants and so forth. I can
remember this time; I don‟t live that way anymore. Oliver says I would like to have the children
come in occasionally to see gracious living and all we do is have four candlesticks on the table,
and I get it, see. I don‟t call that gracious living. But we did live through a period where you
didn‟t talk about, you didn‟t think about, that‟s the way you lived, everybody lived that way,
practically.
Interviewer: What caused it to end?
Mrs. Meade: I don‟t know because they talk about the affluent society, I must say a lot of people
have plenty of money. First of all I think one thing that causes a lack of gracious living, is the
lack of help. Now nobody wishes to do this sort of work; nobody wishes to come in your house
and act as a servant, no matter how nicely you treat them. You can get a young student to come
and work so many hours a day or I can get my grand-daughter to come and help me or you know
that kind of thing. You can‟t get that kind of thing. If you want to give a lovely dinner, we all of
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you. You can‟t do it yourself so you don‟t do it at all. So what you do is have a cocktail party or
you have somebody in Sunday night. I have just as much fun Sunday night maybe more, have a
casserole dish and everybody sit around the fire and eat on their laps and that kind of thing.
Maybe it‟s better; maybe everybody has a better time. I can‟t but I don‟t think when I watch
these kids, all of them have to have something, they have to have the television turned on or the
radio or all of these things. They don‟t know what to do if they haven‟t got something like that it
seems to me. We made up things to do.
Interviewer: What about the closeness of these various families that had a long history of
achievement in the city, why aren‟t those families still interacting as they did when you were
growing up?
Mrs. Meade: Many of those families are right here now. The Hutchins family was one of the
families that I knew well. They were a bunch of as you know his father was very community
minded and his grandfather and his father and that whole family. All those families that lived
along there; the Keelers, the [Victor M.] Tuthills, all of them I think have gone on. For instance,
Marguerite Inslee who was a Tuthill, she‟s been very interested in the Art Gallery, very generous
in music and so forth and all of them have taken jobs on boards of the hospital or Community
Chest or you know. I think all of us were brought up to feel if we happen to have a little more
than someone else, that you had a responsibility to the community. It made a difference as to
what you went into. I mean I happen to be interested in planning and that type of thing. My
brother John was interested in politics, my sister-in-law Helen had interests in all sorts of things;
everything there was to be. I think all those families had gone on taking their part in the
community.
Interviewer: Do you think the splitting up of the neighborhood, for example it sounds as if the
families were located in a relatively close distance of each other spread of the suburbs and so had
an effect on this?
Mrs. Meade: I guess an effect on their interest in the city and then what they wanted to do.
Interviewer: What about in terms of social interaction just with each other?
Mrs. Meade: I know that I‟ve carried on with all the same friends that I‟ve had. I belong to
something that a reading club that we started forty, fifty years ago. The same people are there are
in it, some have died you know. I think we had very close associations then and I think it is
always carried on. I don‟t know that now there‟s the closeness that there was when we grew up.
We didn‟t have all the things; we couldn‟t go off and do all the thing that people… these high
school kids now think they have to go abroad. Even in high school the tour, my grandchildren
have already done that. Why, I never went abroad till I was way out of college. There are so
many things that kind seems to shatter closeness now. I think it‟s hard for families to keep close,
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Interviewer: Why do you think it is?
Mrs. Meade: Well, I think it‟s just, maybe restlessness; everybody has it, maybe we all have it,
maybe I have it now. We used to be satisfied and happy with things that were simpler. We didn‟t
know about these other things; we didn‟t listen to the Today Show every day and know what was
going on in the world. I don‟t know; I‟ve always been a person with a lot of adventure. I‟ve had
an interesting life because I‟ve had that maybe more so than my friends but that‟s why I lived in
China and did different things. We‟ve always liked it but I should ask you some questions, I‟m
afraid I‟m giving a terribly bad impression. When I‟m talking about society, you know there are
so many misconceptions about the word society.
Interviewer: Why don‟t I stop this tape and I‟ll start another. I‟d like to hear what these
misconceptions. I don‟t want you to feel like you gave a misconception on this tape.
Mrs. Meade: I don‟t know if I did or not. Is this being done just for Heritage Hill?
Interviewer: Yes, just for Heritage Hill.
Mrs. Meade: You‟re trying to get a picture of just that area there?

Interviewer: I think that the farm for example, Alta Dale that you had, what people did in the
summer time, where they went is important too, because it gives a picture of the style of living?
That‟s what we are trying to get.
Mrs. Meade: Well, it wasn‟t so stylish to go live on a farm as it was to go to Ottawa Beach. I
always longed to have a cottage at Ottawa Beach but the Martin family never had one. Anyway
our friends used to love to come to the farm, but I don‟t think by and large most people did that
in the summer. They were much more apt to go to Ottawa Beach. Only one or two friends of
mine that I ever remember ever took a trip abroad were sort of set apart if you were, to be able to
do that you know because people just didn‟t do that in those days. My mother, when my mother
became engaged to my father, my grandfather took her abroad for six months with his daughter.
This was before father and mother were married and she had the grand tour and I have her diary
about that. That was just a beautiful trip. Imagine going for six months. When people went
abroad they stayed that long. My mother‟s family didn‟t have very much: my mother taught
school and she would never have had a trip abroad ever, you see, and I think my grandfather
wanted her to, you know have all the background possible probably, so he gave her this trip,
which of course she just loved.
Interviewer: You were mentioning while we were changing tapes about the difference in parties
today. You didn‟t have liquor at your parties?

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Mrs. Meade: I can‟t ever remember anybody having liquor. The first time I remember anyone
having anything to drink at anything, even a house party at Ann Arbor. I can remember the boy
who had something to drink was taken away, nervously taken out. We were none of us supposed
to realize he had anything to drink but he was drunk, I guess. But, we never in the early days
ever had anything like that.
Interviewer: What about...?
Mrs. Meade: I think I‟m trying to think all the way through high school, I can‟t remember; now
maybe they did and I didn‟t know it, because I was pretty innocent. But anyway I don‟t
remember them. We certainly never had stunts pulled or anything of that kind, of course I
remember lots of it since, but not….
Interviewer: What about your parents parties, did they?
Mrs. Meade: Well, my parents never had it. I think there were families that did, but my family
were very anti, any kind of drinking, so we never had anything in our house, we never had
anything to drink. But I „m sure probably people like the O‟Briens and Holts, people like that,
they‟d lived abroad a good deal and everything I‟m sure they must have had. I don‟t know if they
would have cocktails but I‟m sure they‟d have a wine probably, with dinners. But I was too
young to ever go to anything like that, and I don‟t think that, I know my parents didn‟t, but I
think there were probably some that did.
Interviewer: The parties that were held for the adults, and your parents and so on, the parties that
they attended, can you ever remember them going to a cocktail party?
Mrs. Meade: I don‟t think they, they didn‟t have things that was such a thing called a cocktail
party until within the last number of years. You‟d maybe have a cocktail, I had, the first time I
was confronted with cocktails I remember, was when I was twenty-two or three years old. And
we went to China, the whole family and we went to the Embassy in Peking and we went to
various, we were invited to various places and we were served cocktails, which I took, whether
my family liked it or not. But anyway, but what I thought when in Rome do as the Romans…
But my father never enjoyed drinking anything, we tried to teach him but we couldn‟t. No, no, it
was something, I think probably their friends, maybe some of their friends did but most of them
did not drink, and we just weren‟t confronted with it and finally when we were we just had to
figure it out, whether we would or we wouldn‟t, I guess.
Interviewer: Besides parties that were held at people‟s houses and skating and so on and Reed‟s
Lake in the wintertime, or traveling across the ice on a propelled bike, what kind of
entertainment did people pursue?
Mrs. Meade: You mean did we go to the movies or something like that?
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Mrs Meade: Well, when I was very little I was not allowed to go, but the first thing was called a
vaudette, they cost five cents. You were not supposed, I was never supposed to go in one, but I
did. And it was just one of these flickery things you know, somebody playing the piano and…
Interviewer: When was that?
Mrs. Meade: Oh, I can‟t, I don‟t know how old I was then, and I know just where it was right on
Monroe Avenue, but I can‟t, I don‟t know how old I was.
Interviewer: What was downtown like in those days?
Mrs. Meade: Well, I can‟t say Monroe was like it is now, but that was the main part of the
shopping area, was right down what‟s now the mall. And of course we had streetcars; that was
the nice part, we could if we didn‟t have a car to drive down, which we didn‟t mostly, we‟d go
out and get on the streetcar at corner of Madison and Wealthy and ride downtown and get off and
shop and then you‟d get back on. We had mailboxes on the streetcar that was another thing that
was wonderful, you could mail your letters there, stop a car there if you wanted to put „em there,
a letter. We often rode down on the streetcar and then they took those off and then the era of the
bus came. But I loved the streetcar era. Another one of the families that was quite prominent was
the Hanchett family. They were the ones, of course, that owned the street railway company.
That‟s somebody you ought to talk to is Brownie Hanchett, if you want back history, she‟s very
good.
Interviewer: I‟ll remember that. When did they do away with the streetcar?
Mrs. Meade: Well, I should remember, you know you can‟t remember dates when they did
things like that, I can‟t remember when that happened.
Interviewer: Was it in the twenties?
Mrs. Meade: I wouldn‟t, I‟d hate to tell you. I don‟t really know, they just disappear and then
you realize they‟re gone.
Interviewer: Did the First World War have an effect on society, the way people lived, and the
way people thought?
Mrs. Meade: Well, it certainly did while the war was going on, very much so. I mean because so
many of the boys that we knew were in it, you see. I mean well, all the Cassard boys and Randy
Rogers, and George Hollister and all the sons and my brother and all the people my age were all
in that war, and a number of them that were killed, of course. So that we were all working in the
Red Cross and doings things like that. No it wasn‟t very gay, we did do that, we did have that
War Garden, that one summer.
Interviewer: What was it like after the war? Do you remember any kind of a change that you
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Mrs. Meade: That would be twenty… Well, I tell you, I think after the war it was gayer in a
different kind of way, the kind of a keyed-up gayness. You hear, they talk about the twenties
now and I try to think back and there was a period there when everybody was kind of, you know,
terribly keyed up. And I forgot when, I‟m trying to think about when Prohibition came in. I guess
that was later, but this was when all the dances, you know, the Charleston and all those different
things came; and jazz and we all wore the short skirts and that kind of thing. We hadn‟t realized
we were lively through an era, but I guess we were. I don‟t, I think the tempo of life has changed,
but maybe that, maybe that‟s when the, that may be when all the big parties that, the really
formal parties and things, that may be when they really did stop. I think it was then probably.
Interviewer: This is off, away from parties, but what church was your family affiliated with?
Mrs. Meade: Park Congregational. My grandfather went there; my father went there, until he
was the oldest member of the church. We all went there, sat along in a line…. I guess in those
days everybody had a pew, all the families, different families had pews. I can just see us now, the
Keeney family sat back of us, and then we sat there and then the Irwin family and everybody,
and then afterwards they gave that up too, but in those days that was what you paid for your pew,
see.
Interviewer: Was the church, was that important at all to, was that an important input factor in
the community?
Mrs. Meade: I think the church, especially in the era when my mother and father grew up, that
was the social center of the town. I think from reading her diaries and letters and things like that,
where people went to meet each other and the young people‟s meeting and that kind of thing,
which in my era was not as important. I mean we went to church, but our whole social life didn‟t
depend upon what was going on at the church. But my mother and father, that was where it was.
Now it may not have been with all the families, but my families were very strong
Congregationalists and my father was the head of the Sunday school, and I don‟t know, Mother
was the head of the United Workers. I always feel guilty now because I‟m not any of those
things. In fact, most of the family well, we‟ve had, great changes, around. My brother John
became a, went to Fountain Street Church and he was a great worker in that, and my brother Joe
doesn‟t go at all, and I‟m the only one that stayed in the Congregational Church. And yet they
had such a battle down the old Park Church that I had to move out here to the Mayflower
Church. Oh, heavens I, now listen you‟d better take that out…
Interviewer: Well, that won‟t be that important. I think that, I think we covered about everything
I wanted to cover. One last question though, and you don‟t have to answer this if you don‟t want
to, but how old are you?
Mrs. Meade: I am seventy-four. I wish I weren‟t, but I am….

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INDEX

A

F

Alta Dale farm · 7, 19
Alten, Mr. [Mathias] · 8
Amberg family · 16
Art Gallery · 10, 18
Audubon Society · 7

First World War · 22
Fountain Street Church · 23
Fuller family · 14
Fuller, Philo · 7

B

G

Bailey, Rebecca · 1
Ball, John · 17
Bartholomew plan · 9
Baxter Laundry · 13
Baxter, Don · 13
Baxter, Howard · 13
Bender, Jo · 14
Blodgett family · 15
Blodgett, Katherine · 15
Blodgett, Mrs. · 15
Boltwood, Mrs. · 3
Booth family · 14
Braman‟s farm · 6
Brooks, Rose · 5
Bush, Irving · 4
Butterfield family · 16

Gilbert, artist · 14
Gilbert, Rod · 14
Grand Rapids Savings bank · 5

H
Hanchett, Brownie · 21
Heritage Hill · 5, 9, 10, 11, 19
Holiday farm · 7
Hollister family · 14
Hollister, George · 22
Hollister, Harvey · 2
Holt family · 14, 16
Holt‟s house · 15
Houseman familiy · 16
Hutchins family · 18
Hyman, Budge · 16

C
Campau family · 17
Campau, DuBarry · 15
Cassard boys · 22
Central Grammar school · 6
Community Chest · 18
Comstock, C.C. · 2, 3
Crawford family · 7

I
Inslee, Marguerite · 18
Irwin family · 22

J
Judd, Siegel · 17

D
Dean family · 14
Dix House · 10

K
Keeler family · 16, 18
Keeney family · 22
Konkle, Mrs. · 3

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Lafayette school · 6
Lantsberry family · 2
Lantsberry, Mary Alice · 1, 2
Lowe family · 15

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Martin, grandfather · 1, 3
Martin, John B. · 1, 4
Martin, Joseph H. · 1, 2
Martin, Mary Alice · 1, 2
Martin, Peter · 2
Martin, Uncle Thomas · 2
May family · 13, 16
Mayflower Congregational church · 23
Meade, Richard Hardaway · 1

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Nelson-Matter Furniture Company · 3

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O‟Brien family · 14, 20
O‟Brien house · 14
O‟Brien, Mr. · 14
Old Kent Bank · 5
Old National Bank · 2, 5

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Park Congregational church · 23
Park Congregational church · 22
Penfield, Mrs. Thorton B. · 4
Peoples Bank · 5
Plank Road · 2
Prior, Eleanor · 1
Prohibition · 22

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Reed‟s Lake · 13, 21

Robinson, Henry C. · 1
Robinson, Rix · 7
Rogers, Randy · 22
Russell house · 11
Russell, Fran · 3
Russo, Mr. · 5

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Smith, Senator [William Alden] · 14
Steketee family · 16
Stewart family · 17

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Tietsort family · 14
Tuthill family [Victor] · 18

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Union Bank · 5

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Wallin church · 13
Wallin family · 13
Wallin, Franklin · 13
War Garden · 7, 22
Waters family · 14
Waters‟ house · 11
Welsh, George · 9
Welsh, Ken · 9
White family · 14
White, Rugee · 14
White, Stewart Edward · 14
Wilcox family · 8
Winchester family · 2, 3
Winchester, Althea · 1, 4
Winchester, grandfather · 3
Winchester, Samuel · 2
Winchester, Samuel Alexander · 1
Winchester, Walter · 11, 13
Wolf family · 16
Wolf, Art · 16
Wolf, Elizabeth · 16

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                    <text>Living with PFAS
Interviewee: Grant Medich
Interviewer: Dani DeVasto
Date: December 11, 2025
Dani DeVasto (DD) (00:03):
All right. I am Dani DeVasto, and today, December 11th, 2025, I have the pleasure of speaking with
Grant Medich. Hi, Grant.
Grand Medich (GM) (00:13):
Hi, Dani.
DD (00:15):
Grant, can you tell me about where you're from and where you currently live?
GM (00:20):
Okay. Well, um, I was born in Indiana, but from a young age, uh, grew up in, uh, the locale of White
Pigeon Michigan, which is in St. Joe County, uh, just north of the Indiana border. Um, and I am now living
just north of Kalamazoo and, uh, Prairieville Township, which is the Southernmost, actually, I think it's
the south southern southwestern-most township in Barry County, uh, just north of Kalamazoo again.
DD (00:53):
How long have you
GM (00:54):
For, I think it was 21 years.
DD (00:57):
Okay. So you were in Rockford 21 years. How long have you been in Prairieville Township?
GM (01:02):
The past four years. Yeah.
DD (01:04):
Okay. Um, Grant, can you tell me a story about, uh, PFAS, your experience with PFAS or with PFAS in
your community?
GM (01:15):
Well, it's funny because we concentrate a lot on PFAS now is our, you know, with the whole, uh, issue.
Well, not, not in just the Rockford associated community, but, uh, since I'm &lt;laugh&gt;, I'm no longer in
Rockford, I'm no longer part of the community. I'm Rockford associated, I'd say. Um, but how we got,
uh, concentrated on PFAS is interesting because it wasn't PFAS at the beginning. It was, it was a, uh,
collo, uh, factory, which happened to be a tannery, and it was, which, which was closing down. And, uh,

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�we knew there had been processing chemicals, and our focus was on hexavalent, well, chromium, which
we were worried about the hexavalent, uh, uh, chromium. And as we got more into it and certain things
are controlled or not, we found PFAS was as big, if not a bigger issue. And so, uh, I guess that's part of
the story that our concerns about, um, a cleanup operation or, or a, uh, really it's a factory
decommissioning operation. Uh, we wanted to see it done in a, uh, environmentally friendly way, not
just for the local community, but as it's on the Rogue River, which runs through Rockford is a tributary to
the Grand River. It would affect everybody downstream from that point. So, uh, again, we were focused
on one issue and found, uh, PFAS was another issue. And then we found other communities were
struggling with the same, same, uh, concerns.
DD (03:10):
So how did you come to be involved or concerned with the tannery demolition?
GM (03:18):
Okay. Uh, well, the tannery as is most older, um, installations are, was really a series of buildings. And,
uh, the company, Wolverine Worldwide, which, uh, was the name of the company in, in charge of it at
that time, they were pretty much, they weren't ever bought out by anybody, but they, that was their,
um, the company name they had for quite some time. Um, they had basically, uh, continual ownership
of that. And so there wasn't a case where one company bought, you know, another company's assets
and liabilities. We thought, well, uh, this was founded in Rockford by people who lived in Rockford and
just have a feeling that they kind of had a, an obligation besides providing jobs for so many years, uh, to
decommission it you know, in a manner that didn't leave, uh, uh, leave it, um, to be a risk factor.
GM (04:28):
Um, but we found as they were beginning demolition, um, some of the, uh, issues involved were
migratory dust. And, uh, shortly before we addressed this, uh, a couple of our streets in the downtown
area started holding little meetings, um, kind of centered around the McIntosh, uh, family. Um, Mike
and Lynn oftentimes hosted this, and there were a handful of other families, I think, I think, uh, my
former wife and I hosted at least once. But when it became an issue that could be considered a bit more
politically involved, which to us it wasn't ever a political issue, it was a, a health and safety issue. Uh,
some of the families that have been involved in it all along, um, started being a little, little, uh, more,
you know, circumspect and drew back from, from the continued meetings and along with the, uh,
neighborhood association kind of spurned off, um, the, uh, uh, concerned citizens Association.
GM (05:53):
And so we would have separate meetings, basically the same, same core group for the better part. Uh,
again, Lynn was instrumental in, in, uh, helping that happen, but she was always, uh, asking for help.
And so, uh, we had, uh, Gail Mancewicz and I was involved in and out in various capacities, uh, selfemployed. Um, and so that gave me that freedom of interaction to where some days I was available
midday and other people were not. They were at their, at their day jobs. Other times I wasn't, it was, I
was in construction, so I wouldn't be available for a couple weeks because I was on a, you know, deep in
a job. So that's how I became involved with that. And the more we, I don't know, I understand it. I mean,
neighbors are neighbors and part of getting along with your neighborhood is, uh, being concerned for
them, but not being too nosy.
GM (06:52):

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�And that is true also with corporate neighbors. So I think corporate neighbors, they like the idea of
getting along with their neighbors, but they understand they are a corporation, and, uh, they can't be as
chummy or, um, I mean, they, they go to their own homes and they have those neighbors, and so they,
they can't really be double-dipping there. But when we get more into issues that they consider
operations, um, related issues, uh, that's where it becomes none of our business, where if it's
environmental, we do consider it, it is our business. Because at some point, um, Wolverine continues to
be in, Wolverine Worldwide, continues to be located in Rockford. But my thought was, 'cause I had
family members who worked for large corporations, and you have a change of CEO, and all of a sudden
you're located in Denver or Chicago or Arizona. And, uh, even though they were a, had a long history in
Rockford, I personally wasn't convinced that they just couldn't just pull up roots and get out of it. So that
was kind of nature of my interest. And, and I lived right across the street from, uh, the building that
remains, which is their shoe store. Yeah. But basically across the street from the, the factory complex
DD (08:23):
So was that a concern for you that they could leave? Or was that not a concern?
GM (08:29):
Uh, more concern of, well, my, you know, being in a small business that the, the, uh, scale of operations
is vastly different, but I always figured there's a cost of doing business. And if they had done something
that they didn't consider nefarious, but, um, over time was determined to be problematic, that cleaning
up the, the residue is a deferred cost since they didn't do it, what we now consider right the first time.
Or they didn't take care of, uh, spillage when it became known, but not publicized that they were
dealing with hazardous chemicals that shouldn't get into groundwater. That's the time they should have
dealt with it. And for it to be brought up to them at a later date, didn't negate the fact that they still had,
uh, really an ethical responsibility to, um, have a clean and safe operation, not just for their workers or
their consumers, but, uh, the people who worked there and lived nearby and, and their neighbors.
DD (09:48):
So, as someone who did live nearby, did you have any personal concerns about what was about to go
down or what had gone down?
GM (09:58):
Well, I, I, in my, me and my family were rather blessed because we moved into our home in, uh,
February of 1999. And, uh, we had city water, but that's the time when, uh, Rockford, uh, stopped
drawing their city water from the river. Uh, and I believe it was downstream from the tannery. Um, and
they started the deep well, um, deep well, uh, pumping system. And so my children, my family was
never exposed to it, besides what it might have been residually located in the, uh, in the piping. Um, but
it's, uh, been somewhat determined that ingesting PFAS is a little less issue than, um, inhaling it. And,
uh, I always, I always kind of thought it odd too that, uh, the, when I was young, we always took baths.
We didn't do showers, but at some point people started taking showers, and I thought, well, the
aeriation of the mist in the water, maybe that became more of a health issue with issues like, or PFAS
than, than just sitting in it, which is still not good for you, but seems less of an issue. But, yeah. So I had,
uh, almost, oh, just kind of an ethical concern as a neighbor, um, of what, what the situation was there
rather than a, a real health risk as we weren't exposed to it in that way.
DD (11:46):

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�You mentioned that, um, kind of as part of the, as someone who was able to stay and to, to be selfemployed, and you were perhaps more available at certain times than others, um, that you were asked
for help.
GM (12:00):
Mm-hmm &lt;affirmative&gt;.
DD (12:01):
What kinds of things were you helping the, the citizens group, the concerned citizens do? Like, what,
what was your role? What kinds of things were you doing?
GM (12:11):
Okay, well, um, early on, every now and then we would do, oh, maybe a little, a little walkabout, you
know, take a look, uh, while during the, uh, demolition process, sometimes it's like, uh, Grant, what do
you, you work in construction. What do you think of what's going on there? So I'd walk around and say,
well, you know, they're, they're, they're spraying down the debris. This is a modern style of, uh, um,
airborne dust containment. Uh, that's good. But, uh, you know, that, that, that definitely is, everything's
supposed to be wet. And, and, uh, containable versus just spraying water in the area. One guy in the
hose spraying in the corner of a parking lot, and they're working over there. That's not the idea, but they
were pretty good about keeping the water on there. But every now and then, since these hoses were,
didn't have a guy holding it, you know, it was an automated, uh, kind of a mount, and it was aerating the
air while they, you know, migrate the work a little over, it's like, okay, you kind of, kind of keep that up.
GM (13:22):
But once the, the demolition crews knew the criteria there, and they had air monitors, they, they were
able to keep on top of that. Um, other activities just was kind of us all familiarizing ourselves with things
in the city that we never noticed before. Um, taking floats down the river in a boat, um, I mean, you
walk down the sidewalk and you know, the same houses, but when you look at it with a different
thought in your head, why is this this way? Or why is that there? Um, it gets you thinking about the
potential problems and opportunities, like even the, the tannery, they, they talked about the, if there
was the possibility of groundwater contamination, what were the options? And one of the more vocal,
uh, I can't call him a Rockford, uh, resident or citizen because he lived in the townships, and this was a
ongoing problem.
GM (14:29):
We had business owners that identified as being Rockford residents. I hate the term. I like citizen, not
because I'm, I don't think-- it's politically charged. It means you live in a city, a citizen. I was a citizen of
Rockford because I lived in the city of Rockford that didn't include the owner of the, you know, liquor
store, the drug, you know, the drug store, the, the gas station. Unless they lived there, you know, I, I
don't go into their townships and tell 'em how to run their, their business there. But, uh, other than
weighing in on things that affect their business, I'd say, thank you, but no, thank you. We live here. You
don't, we pay the taxes. You don't, so, you know, you take care of yours. We take care of ours. Um, but
one of these more vocal people, he had an issue with the Brownfield in a property owned decades
previously, and his thought was the only source of containment was that they were gonna pave it all
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�GM (15:37):
Well, when he used that term, I thought, well, capping it, it was already capped because there was a
building there. It kept the rainfall from getting into the ground that was boom below with all the, the
concrete pads and, you know, just flowing it into the water, um, to a, to a degree. Um, so removing the
building kind of removed that cap and breaking up the found, uh, the, the, uh, paving, interior paving,
uh, concrete pads did the same. So it all became an issue there. But as we looked more and more into it,
and Lynn would talk, um, primarily Lynn would do a lot of interviews with other people, we found a lot
of the sludge had been taken to other areas, which became almost bigger problems than the actual
downtown area, which was the source of the pollution. So that was some of it, walking about, uh, taking
a look at things, um, keeping an eye out, and meetings, meetings.
GM (16:38):
When we finally decided to write, uh, the petition to the EPA, um, I always remember the old movie, or
not movie, it was a movie, actually, &lt;laugh&gt; after the song, Alice's Restaurant by Arlo Guthrie, where he
talks about getting, um, arrested for littering. And this sheriff had a, a photograph with a paragraph with
circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one. And he would say this over and over again,
explaining what the issue was. And this is Lynn &lt;laugh&gt;, she, these, all these photographs with, you
know, arrows and circles and a paragraph &lt;laugh&gt; actually below, below each one. You know, it was so
detailed. But, you know, getting it into a communicatable understandable, uh, presentation was a, a bit
of, a bit of a challenge. We knew photographs are great if people know what you're photographing. You
gotta explain what it is.
GM (17:38):
You gotta explain why it's important, and that you're not putting in additional photographs just to fill the
air and make it seem like, oh, the sky is falling. These are, you know, we're, we're documenting
conditions that happened. So, uh, sitting down, and usually the writing would happen by, uh, by, uh,
Lynn and Gail. But, uh, I would, I would sit down, we would review what we went, what they had gone
through, uh, you know, make some, some comments there. And, uh, those two kind of claim &lt;laugh&gt;
that I would, that I'd be referee between the two, because they spent a lot of time together without me
&lt;laugh&gt;. And then I would end up there. And so, like, almost like sisters, they would get a little, a little
too personal with each other. Not, not, not in a heated way, but it's a little frustration because it was,
you know, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. Well, you're, you being a writer. Yeah. When you
collaborate, it's, it's hard enough to write alone, but collaborate.
DD (18:43):
It can be a challenge!
GM (18:45):
Yeah, does have some help. Yeah. There's some of the things I was involved with, though.
DD (18:50):
When did, so tell me a little bit more about the petition. I know that you, so you were, you just said you
were part of helping to write it, review it. Um, tell me about, like, so the petition gets accepted, right?
Like, and then tell me about like how that was, what your reaction was to that, um, like kind of the
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�GM (19:23):
Yeah. So that was a whole, you know, a whole process of course. But as I remember, we had, um, a good
number of, uh, names. I mean, there were, to my recollection dozens that, um, subscribed to it. And
these are people that were familiar with the issue, uh, both people living, uh, nearby and, uh, people in
the general area, um, who were, you know, wanting this to be addressed. But, uh, there were, we, we
realized it would be a publicly accessible document, and that, uh, there were perhaps some parts of it
that certain people supporting it would not want to, uh, have their name divulged. So we knew there'd
have to be some, uh, people name who, who had names on the, on the front of it. And Lynn was fine
doing that. I was okay with that because, uh, being self-employed as a, as a, basically a, a remodeling
contractor, my territory was larger than Rockford.
GM (20:42):
And, uh, as much business, uh, work as goes downtown Rockford, I, I got project here and there, but it
wasn't, was not a majority of my business. So I had no concern about losing business there. And I
thought it was an important issue. And, uh, Gail, of course, was, was, uh, noted there as well. Um, yeah.
So, um, had that submitted and, uh, then there's that quiet period, you know, is it still in the mail,
&lt;laugh&gt;, what's going on? Like, you know, acknowledge receiving, it's almost like, uh, oh, like a movie
with you all, you know, stamp. Okay, now it's official, but it's here, &lt;laugh&gt;, it's not re you know, it's, it's
received, but it's, here's your receipt for it's receipt. But it's, it's not. In the process yet. So there's the
discovery and, and making it known. And, uh, I can't remember at one point, but it got into the, the local
newspaper.
GM (21:57):
And, uh, it's, I'm not a big spectator sports fan. And the tangent on that is, I remember hearing that
intercollegiate sports, I guess college boys would get out and have this big brawl. It was a common thing.
And so they started, you know, intramurals and they did intercollegiate. It's basically to turn people's
focus towards something different, something constructive. But now it's a whole industry. But I think
the side benefit is that, is that the average American thinks us versus them. And so you gotta, you gotta
have a team, you gotta pick a side. And there's so few people that will look at both sides and take a, take
a moment and not choose a side, but just kind of, kind of percolate. And we had a lot of people charging
in, oh, Wolverine, they, you know, they've created so many new jobs. I'm like, well, what does that have
to do with them dumping chemicals in the water?
GM (22:59):
This is what we're talking about. It's just like, and I'm not even saying they meant to do it, but it
happened. It's like, you know, whether it's a child, you're in charge of, your neighbor, your neighbor has
a dog that jumps the fence and bite your kid. I mean, are they gonna say, well, you should have fixed the
fence? It's like, no, it's your dog. It is like, it is an issue of responsibility. So people wanted to end run
because that was their team. Uh, I remember one situation where former council people would say, "oh,
we never had any problem with anybody getting sick. We even, you know, we drew drinking water from
the river." And I was on city council at the time thinking, oh, so you're responsible also, not that we
knew that people were actually getting sick at that point, but, uh. Yeah. It just, those things that are said
in the heat of the moment, and you think back and say, wow, you really said that out loud. Out loud.
DD (24:07):
Yeah.

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�GM (24:08):
Makes you pause.
DD (24:12):
How did it feel then, when the EPA turned the site back over to the DEQ?
GM (24:19):
Oh ho ho, yeah. I guess we didn't know what happened. Before I lived in Rockford. I lived in Ypsilanti
Township down the street from a, a Superfund site. I think it was an old Ford facility or supplier. And as a
local, I'm like, all of a sudden there's a chain link fence and a do not enter. And, you know, no
trespassing didn't know what was going on. Uh, but that was a big concern that people would say, oh,
they're gonna cordon it off and it'll look like, uh, Chernobyl, you know, a big, you know, toxic waste area.
It's like, you know, 21st century, you know, I don't think all that's gonna happen. So we, we figured it'd
be a guarded approach. Um, really one of the frustrating, um, parts of it being turned over to the
Michigan DEQ was that, uh, previous to, uh, petitioning the EPA, uh, uh, local, um, officials in the DEQ,
um, some were approached about this, and, uh, basically they had ran to Wolverine and, you know,
talked all about it and just made a big, big fluster about it, and then did absolutely nothing.
GM (25:53):
Um, it was, to my understanding, the efforts of, uh, mostly one, one person in charge there locally,
where a lot of the rank and file people did want to get involved. Uh, there were a lot of good people,
some of them becoming, you know, approaching retirement age. They'd been there a good while, but
they had that experience. They knew it was a bad situation, but they weren't the one politically
appointed to the local office, and so they kind of had to basically follow orders. Uh, so yeah, it being
turned back to the DEQ was a, was a disappointment. And, um, you know, it's, it's one of those things,
sometimes you speak outta turn, but I thought, you know, at this point, point, I'll just, there's nothing I
can do. But my expectation is that it would run the full course of doing nothing until, um, the EPA would
have to step in again
DD (26:56):
Mm-hmm &lt;affirmative&gt;.
GM (26:58):
And, uh, I'm not kept up to date since I moved some four years ago. So, um, I'd still get notices about the
meetings, but, uh, um, you know, things move on and my family has other, other needs. So, uh, I'm a
little ignorant about what's happened more recently. But, uh,
DD (27:22):
After the, um, after the EPA turned the site back over to the DEQ, I know there was another kind of
quiet lull for a while where a lot of things weren't hap, there was little work happening. I know that
certain members in the CCRR were still trying to kind of go underground, if you will, and, um, continue
to try to figure out what was going on and what was there. Um, did you remain involved after, like, were
you still involved at that point?
GM (27:58):

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�Well, to answer it somewhat indirectly, what I remember of what the was happening on the site is that,
um, one far end of the site got paved over into some parking spaces and they started holding farmer
markets and the, like, there, um, they opened up the field for families to run across during, you know,
um, movie nights. They'd, um, have some fireworks. And, um, although new fresh soil was put there, I
didn't have the best, I, you know, feeling that it was necessarily safe for, uh, young people to be there.
Um, there are, there are monitoring wells, but, uh, and when they talk about the fact that Rockford has
a historic dam that was one point hydroelectric generation, um, and what, what, what should one do
with it? Um, what's never said is that they would never wanna do anything with it, because the, the, the
backwater area has so much, you know, retained sludge and who knows what, uh, presumed to be not
good stuff, that it would just all get released. And again, so much of my focus has been on what was
happening downtown, where the, uh, house Street site is one of the primary areas that we rolled into in
playing, uh, playing field, uh, township because it's part and parcel of the same problem. Sledge was
relocated and then crept into the groundwater.
GM (29:54):
But, uh, yeah, it just seems, uh, it just seems, uh, that there's a marked degree of irresponsibility. I mean
that when we, when we were posting the petition, uh, Wolverine was, um, they were posting this, you
know, um, historic gains in, in, uh, profit. Uh, there was some sort of crisis, I can't remember what it was
in Texas, and they were sending down, um, you know, large contributions, you know, it was in excess of
a million. I thought, well, why don't they do something local? I thought, well, because that's not
glamorous, and that's not, you know, you come out and say, we, we just spent this much money
cleaning up our own mess. They know that's not gonna help. But, oh, you know, children, you know,
children need shoes in some foreign land. Oh, we, well, yeah, we'll cut a check for that. It's like, while
that would be nice, how about taking care of what you, you created yourself? It's just, I just, just
reminds me the old, the old names. The, the, the, the Rockefeller, the Carnegie, these, you know,
captains of industry back in the day that, you know, they bought tooth and nail and there was a lot of
blood and guts spilled, but when it comes full circle, they make donations or open libraries, which is a
wonderful thing. But how they got the money, I think is sometimes more important than if, if they didn't
clean up their mess on the way out. I'm just thinking, just cl if, if sooner or later somebody's gonna
acquire wolverine or they're gonna shut down, or who knows what, just clean up your mess before you
do. That's what I do, you know, before I go to bed, the house is still a mess, but there's certain things I
make nice and tidy. I usually hand wash my dishes. That's what I like to do. I like putting 'em away so I
don't come and have to put 'em away in the morning. That's what we do as responsible adults, and
there's no reason why a corporate entity can't do the same.
DD (32:21):
Fair, very fair
GM (32:24):
Preaching to the choir, I suppose. &lt;laugh&gt;.
DD (32:27):
That's okay. It's good to put it down on record.
GM (32:29):
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�DD (32:31):
Um, do you think there are any parts of the story that, as far as you're aware, that have been
underreported?
GM (32:42):
I'm sure there are, but you know, with I am sometimes, well, I, I'm plagued with a good memory in some
ways and a bad memory in others &lt;laugh&gt;. And one of the things I gets me through life is, uh, trying not
to hold grudges. So I, I forget the bad things that happen sometimes, uh, but that, that lets people off
the hook a little bit more than they should at times, I suppose. Um, and when it, when it comes to
winners and losers, I mean, there were, there were relationships and friendships that were strained.
Um, I had an interesting situation because my, uh, my next, so I lived right next to what had been a
series of houses until at some point, uh, they were paved over for parking lot, which in Rockford that
was allowed, you know, it was residentially zoned, but, uh, you couldn't build a convenience store there,
but you could pave it and use it as a commercial parking lot, which seemed contradictory to me.
GM (34:02):
So anyway, it was nice place to have kids grow up because there wasn't much happening over there
usually. Uh, so I only had a neighbor on one side, and, uh, the neighbor was a retiree from Wolverine
Worldwide and his wife, and they were, uh, wonderful people. A part of the, I mean, um, the husband
grew up there. I don't know if he's actually born there. I think he might've been like in the town, but he,
he grew up there and he, he lived in that home after he had, um, well, they moved there in the early
fifties eventually bought the home, and he died locally. So he spent his whole life there and, uh, had a
lot of respect for him. Um, but, uh, his wife was on city council, and, you know, when you are in a, I
always think of communities, when you're a certain community, um, your ears turned, uh,
sympathetically toward those, uh, closest to you.
GM (35:09):
And so we were obviously on different sides of the issue, but it never really strained our relationship
because we chose to be good neighbors and not, not really discuss that topic because, um, when, you
know, somebody has the opposite point of view, and, uh, there is no real way of convincing them to
change their opinion, um, I'm typically of the, of the opinion that, that, um, my best testimonial is just to
continue. And if they ever have a question about how I feel I'll do so somebody is undecided about
something, I'm more than willing to discuss it. But, uh, I'm not big into, you know, trying to change the
world to agree with me. It's just, just not my way. But, uh, a lot of people that, uh, work quite differently
in, in that community and other communities, but, uh, that, that strained a lot of relationships.
GM (36:14):
And, uh, the city manager of the time, he was a very, very energetic fellow. Um, but I think he was much
on the wrong side of this issue, and I think he was used by Wolverine Worldwide. Um, which I don't
know, it just, I, I, I saw the irony of it because as I said before, my opinion is that Wolverine Worldwide
decided to stay in Rockford because they decided to stay in Rockford. And no matter what the city
manager did or did not do, he's, he was like a gnat to them. A city of 6,300 people was not gonna do a
whit of good or ill to them because they had been there since, I think the 1920s was the founding of
Krause and Hurst tannery, and it's, I mean, it was a long, long time ago, and as much as he thought he
was doing them favors, I think they would take any favor they gave him, but they were not gonna
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�DD (37:30):
Mm-hmm.
GM (37:31):
So, I, I just think he didn't, he didn't value the, the citizens of Rockford over the corporations of
Rockford.
DD (37:40):
When did you, um, first hear about PFAS?
GM (37:47):
Oh, probably after we, I mean, I, I suppose I might have heard of it, you know, like in the news here and
there, but is where, bang your head on, on hexavalent, chromium, hexavalent, chromium, hexavalent,
chromium. All of a sudden somebody's like, well, what about PFAS? So I think, I think it might've even
been after the petition was issued, I think it might've been amidst or in the formation of the, uh,
community advisory group, Wolverine Community Advisory Group. I was a member, founding member
for a while there. And, uh, and I think that that's where the, the focus changed over time. Uh, of course,
the challenge there was that both the EPA and the DNR, they didn't have, oh, what, what do you call it?
Legislative directives as to what contamination was. So, uh, after being a, uh, uh, remodeling contractor,
I became a home inspector.
GM (39:07):
And so I got more into science, like radon and concentrations of this and that. And so, uh, oh, even some
water quality analysis. So I got into a better understanding of what, what, what is, um, contamination,
you know, what, what's, uh, the maximum MCL maximum contamination level, which is used with, I
can't remember what is the hexavalent chromium, I think that's in, in there someplace. Uh, but, but
other things, lead, arsenic, all those, and then the, the lower limits of detection, the LLD, that's where
your, um, detection method can't, it might be there, but it's so small that there, it's undetectable. Um,
but yeah, I find that there isn't, was no MCL and they, they knew PFAS bad, but they didn't know how
much PFAS bad, which we kind of find that any amount is bad if it's, as they like to call it forever
chemical.
GM (40:14):
And that it not only is, uh, pervasive and sticks around, but evidently is, can also accumulate as opposed
to be something easily, uh, uh, removed. So, um, I'm just trying to think. The year we submitted the
petition, do you recall, I thought it was 2012,
DD (40:48):
2011?
GM (40:48):
2011, 2012. I thought it was, yeah. 2012 came to mind, but maybe it was 2011 and I moved in 2020, so
that was a long time to see not a whole lot done for that. So somewhere in the midst there, we got
looking at the PFAS, and strangely enough, uh, where I live now isn't too far from Parchment, which has
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�River, I'm like, oh, there's another affected river. Unfortunately, I think it's documented to be, the
documentation is more acute down here. I'm not sure that the Rogue River is better. I think it is. It's, it's,
it's, it's a smaller river and it's a tributary, and it moves a little faster. So I think we have all that. But, um,
yeah. Yeah. Just that an irony there.
DD (41:54):
So maybe that's a good segue into another question. Um, do you have any concerns about PFAS
contamination moving forward?
GM (42:06):
Yeah. Well, largely like, if I think of, uh, people of Plainfield Township, there's a big bolus of, I can't
remember the term. They would use, um, plume plume of, uh, contaminated groundwater that
continues to migrate. Now they've tried to stop the wells that would draw from that, but that doesn't
mean that's the only, um, vector of contamination. It comes up to the ground source. We have sludge
that was there. There's a, there's a subdivision that was built over an area that anecdotally was reported
to have surface, um, application over farm fields. Uh, the farmhouse is still there, the fields are gone.
They put in a bunch of homes. And there was some reports of kids in the nineties having a strange form
of cancer, of the sinuses and such. And it was just an uptick. And it passes and, you know, it's, it's not
like a smoking gun. It happened there. How did, how did they get contaminated? Well, could have been
private wells, but it was on city water, but it had developed homes with soil kids playing on the ground.
GM (43:49):
Who knows? Who knows? Um, in my little lake here, uh, I mean, I, I grew up downstream from, um, a
paper mill. And every now and then they would have, oh, a little bit too much rain, and the holding pits
would overflow, and the White Pigeon River would run a lime green. It's almost this like what they'd do
in Chicago for &lt;laugh&gt;, or is this for St. Patrick's Day? Except for this is unintentional. This is a milky lime
green. And it was disgusting. Hey, you know, it's poison. They would just go right down the river, which
is tributary to the St. Joseph River, and they would get some sort of fine, but I believe it was a business
decision that the fine was probably more affordable than cleaning 'em out. I don't know why otherwise
they would do this. These weren't, it wasn't a, it was an old plant, but it wasn't an antiquated plant.
GM (44:53):
So I think that's kind of the way business used to be done quite a bit. So when we get back to the issue
of the, the PFAS, um, what came to mind is, I would walk along the river as a little kid, and I'd see this
foamy water, I think, oh, it just happens. It just happens. But, uh, Lynn was one who's just saying, what is
this foam? I'm like, it just happens at rivers, Lynn. everybody said, it just happens. Well, it doesn't. More
often than not, it's some sort of a, PFASis a what do they call it? Anti, it's a surficant. Anti. Surficant.
Anyway,
DD (45:33):
Surfactant?
GM (45:34):
Surfactant, yeah. So it floats and it's a thing that keeps things from adhering to each other. So it's, it's,
it's on the surface. Um, I have a neighbor at my lake here says, do you think anybody would mind if I
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�GM (45:50):
Because every now and then the wind blows and we get little foam &lt;laugh&gt; of water. I'm like, now don't
tell me we got PFOS here. But we might, we don't know. I mean, I'm not near an airport. I understand. I
think it was Grayling, the National Guard Airport, that they would use the foam that the firefighters use,
and that, that there was a big contamination issue there. It just seems that, I don't know, there's,
there's, there's too many things that just don't add up. I mean, we know we have, oh, for lack of a better
term, plastic food. I mean, food that just isn't always food. It's just byproducts put in there, or products
put in that we ingest. Um, so there's other issues.
GM (46:41):
But when I look at my generation and my children's generation, seems like we have a lot more problems
with, uh, infertility than I remember hearing from prior generations. Um, a lot of people struggling to
have children to have, uh, early, early life cancers. And, uh, it could it be the food? Could it be the
water? Well, anything we can do to reduce our exposure to, um, carcinogens is, is, is not a bad way to
go. And that's my biggest concern about this PFAS, that it's, it's, it's still, it's still out there. Seems like
we're still adding to it. And being an old geology student, I know the earth heals itself, but I also &lt;laugh&gt;,
like Carl Sagan would say, billions and billions of years &lt;laugh&gt; for the solar system. But like with, with
the Earth, it can take a million years to heal something. It will heal, but it might take another species to
&lt;laugh&gt; enjoy the benefits and we don't want that.
DD (48:02):
Well, you're just a jack of all trades, a geology student, construction, remodeling, and home inspection.
GM (48:10):
I think they, I think they now call that ADHD &lt;laugh&gt;. It wasn't a thing when I was a kid. I was just, I was
just, well read &lt;laugh&gt;.
DD (48:24):
Is there anything before we wrap up that you'd like to add or, um, that we haven't touched on today? Or
anything that you wanna go back to say more about?
GM (48:38):
Well, shame of it all is, uh, you know, I was a little delayed in getting back with you and, uh, by, by
months, really as it's just been these weeks. But, uh, and being a little separated from the issue and
distracted by other other concerns, it, it does get, it does get a little foggy over time as to And every
now, and you have the, oh, yeah. That mo mo type of moment where you're like, okay, yeah, that was a,
that was a, a big day or a big event. Um, but, uh, nothing really comes to mind. I, you know, as I age and
mature, I, I think I oftentimes try to look at the theme, uh, versus the details. I'm very detail oriented,
but I think to understand how details fit into a situation, you have to look at the overarching theme.
GM (49:42):
It's like, okay, what, why does the puppet move? Well, there's a puppeteer. Why does a puppeteer
make that choice? Well, and it goes further and further and further back to, uh, a theme of where are
we going with the whole thing. But, uh, yeah, I, I, I think we have a societal problem of not asking why
we should, you know, continue to add untested, unproven products of all sorts of all sorts. That, uh, um,

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�sometimes will have well established, um, methods of introducing, um, new products that we will just
push the wayside because all of a sudden we think, oh, this is a crisis. We need to find a solution. Well,
solution can be worse than the problem.
GM (50:45):
And, uh, I think it's important that we don't stop progress, but we start to find better methods to, uh,
evaluate what things are progress. Uh, the continued proliferation of pharmaceutical drugs. We have
plenty of pharmaceutical drugs that do just the same thing that the new ones will, but they're coming.
The old ones are out of patents. So, you know, it's not always the case, but they try to find a, a new
wheel, uh, you know, a better, you know, the wheel's been invented, get a better tire, that's fine, but
gotta stop. Yeah. I don't know how we do it, but, uh, yeah. You know, fixing the past, I mean, that's an
industry in itself. But, uh, trying to do, undo some of the, some of the harm we've done. I think that, you
know, puts us in better stead for generations to come and say, well, they, they might have been a little
warped, but they, they, they did their best to try to clean things up a bit.
DD (51:59):
Yeah. Well, Grant, thank you for taking the time to talk with me today.
GM (52:05):
Oh, gladly, gladly.

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Francisca Medina vivió en el vecindario de Lincoln Park en Chicago por muchos años. Describe visitando
las calles de Lincoln Park con otras Latinas, las lavanderías, y las tiendas en donde la mayoría de los
dueños eran Puertorriqueños en los 1950, un tiempo donde la comunidad era segura. Su memoria
aclara que cerca estaba la comunidad puertorriqueña en esos tiempos. Cuando había una funeral, boda,
o bautismo la puertorriqueñas se reunían y oraran juntas con sus rosarios. Grupos de Puertorriqueños
iban de puerta a puerta cantando en parrandas y adquirían firmas en peticiones para tener una misa en
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Señora Medina crio su familia en Lincoln Park, se mudo muchas veces dentro del vecindario, incluyendo
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puertorriqueñas mudaban en ese tiempo, cambiándose a un lugar en que es más grande y donde su
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oeste sobre la calle de North Avenue y Armitage Avenue, de Clark Street hacia Kedzie, y de Grand
Avenue hacia el norte a Lawrence. Durante estos cambios la comunidad todavía estaba unida, separad
solo por el rio de Chicago y el expressway 1-94. Estas memorias son esencial porque oponen los oficiales
de la ciudad que tratan de subrayar fronteras en el vecindario y deshacer la propiedad coherente en la
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Veterans History Project Interview
Name of Interviewee: Chris Meeuwenburg
Name of War: World War II
Length of Interview: (01:31:27)
(00:30) Background Information



Chris was born in Fremont, Michigan and drafted into the Army in 1943 when he was 19
years old
He was part of the 103rd Infantry Division and worked as a medical technician

(2:35) Training
 Chris was sent to Camp Claiborne, Louisiana for boot camp
 The area was much hotter than Michigan, muggy and had many muddy swamp areas
 They went on maneuvers through Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas
 Chris was later transferred to a camp in Texas
 The food was good, but he remembered just always being tired
 They had to hike with 50 pound packs in the hot weather and some of the men passed out
from the heat
(6:30) Medical Technician School
 Chris was sent to an Army/Navy general hospital in Hot Springs, Arkansas
 There were about 300 Army students he was training with and they had a very mean
general for their instructor
 He was allowed to go home on furlough twice while he was training and took a train
filled with many other soldiers to get home
 Chris had three weeks to visit his family and they also came to Arkansas to visit him
 All of the officers he worked with were doctors
(14:55) Surgical Technician School
 All of the Army ground forces had to go through physical examination tests
 Chris had to go through many examinations that were all very hard
 Chris’s company won first place in the nation that particular year
 There was a local college that the men went to visit on the weekends
 They had a book with a picture of every girl that went there, their age, and other
information on them
 They men could pick them out of the book and ask them to go out on date
(17:25) Europe

� They all gathered at Camp Shanks, New York to be shipped out
 Chris had to help give all the men inoculations before they left
 It took them 14 days to cross the Atlantic in a zig zag course in order to avoid German
submarines
 On the way Chris saw three different ships burning at sea that had been attacked
 At 6:00 pm all the men were locked in their compartments for the night and could not get
out until the next morning
 They landed in La Havre, France and were met with fire from German planes
 They abandoned their ship in the dark and many had no idea where they were fleeing to
 The men all finally met up at a staging area
 His company was supposed to relieve Company C of the Third Battalion
 There were MPs all over France and it was very muddy from all of the rain
(24:30) Average Days
 Most of the time the men never knew where they were going to sleep that night
 They preferred to sleep indoors and were usually able to eat well
 They started with k-rations, which were terrible, but they began receiving better tasting crations within a few months
 They tried to purchase as much French bread and wine as possible
 They often had to sleep outside in the French countryside, but it was very cold
 One night they decided to avoid sleeping in an abandoned French house because his
commander had a funny feeling about it
 The next day the house had been completely leveled by Germans
(36:10) Close Calls
 They had been on an offensive mission in France and the Germans had trapped them and
had them surrounded
 Chris was able to jump onto a passing tank and just barely missed being shot
 He had been selected to go on a reconnaissance mission in Ludwig[shafen] near the
Rhine River
 The men had been driving and stopped by a MP for the password
 A German 88 artillery shell hit the middle of the road right in front of them
 If they had not been pulled over by the MP they would have been hit by the shell
(41:00) Paris
 Paris was very different from the French countryside
 Chris had a friend that lived in an apartment in Paris and he went to visit him when he
had time on leave
 He had a very nice time visiting and touring through the city

�(42:10) Germany
 They had entered and taken a small town and found an abandoned school house
 There was a message on the chalk board that read “ Welcome to Germany”
 They came across a warehouse that held 33,000 bottles of champagne
 There were 15,000 men in the division and each received two bottles of champagne
 They were all very drunk that night and it would have been a good time for the Germans
to attack
 They moved very rapidly through Germany, making advances and taking cities
 They were working with the 614th Tank Destroyer Company
 They completely destroyed most of the towns they took and were ordered not to
communicate with any German civilians
(49:15) Innsbruck
 They felt the war was slowing down and many small pockets of German soldiers were
surrendering
 They entered Innsbruck and there really was not anything for the men to do and they
were all very bored
 Chris often went swimming and met a young woman named Anna Marie
 He liked her a lot and though she was very smart and he was able to communicate with
her because she spoke English
 Chris had been near a tank that hit a mine and a piece of shrapnel hit him in the head,
puncturing his helmet
 His leg was also hurt and he was sent to a hospital
(57:30) Rome
 Chris visited Rome on leave and toured the catacombs of Sainte Christopher at Saint
Peter’s Cathedral
 It was a very beautiful cathedral with gold walls and ceiling
 They were given a tour of Rome by a Russian princess that had fled the country
(59:10) Leaving France
 Chris had enough points to be sent home, but instead they sent him to various units to
take inventory of their medical supplies
 He began to get very annoyed because he was still working while most units were being
sent home
 He finally sent in a complaint and was eventually told he could go home
 Chris was brought to the shipping area in La Havre
 He had been in Europe for 2 years and had learned to speak German pretty well

�(1:03:50) Back in States
 Everything had changed while Chris was in Europe, including himself and it was a lot for
him to take in
 He got his old job back working for Continental Motors in Muskegon, Michigan
 He worked there for about 6 months and then decided that he did not work there anymore
 Chris applied for pharmacy school at Ferris State University and went there for 4 years
(1:10:40) Looking Back
 Chris became a pharmacist and met a woman in church that had moved to Michigan
from South Dakota
 They got married and had 5 children
 Chris still finds it hard to believe he made it through the war because there were so many
times that he could have been killed
 It was very hard being in Europe during the holidays, especially Christmas
 Chris had spent 5 Christmases away from his family

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