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                    <text>	&#13;  

Diversity in Faith – Unity in Christ
By Shirley C. Guthrie, Jr.

(Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1986)
Book Review by
Richard A. Rhem
Minister of Preaching and Theological Inquiry
Christ Community Church
Spring Lake, Michigan
Publication of Review Unknown

This is a book addressed to the Church, to the Christian community. It is not an
apologetic to instruct the inquirer in the content of Christian faith; rather, it is an
explanation of the respective postures, attitudes and nuances of orthodoxy,
liberalism and pietism. Guthrie's purpose is to enable self-understanding within
each of these camps and thereby to create the possibility of understanding across
the spectrum of the Church.
Although a broad spectrum of the Christian community might agree on a basic
definition of what it is to be a Christian, as soon as the discussion gets to specific
theological, ethical and practical implications of Christian faith, division will be
immediate - “Churches choose up sides, get red in the face, and either yell at each
other or refuse to talk together at all.” To address the all too often rancorous
divisions within the Christian community, indeed, within the same confessional
family, denomination and local congregation, Guthrie suggests as a starting point
the question: “Why is it that people who read the same Bible and talk about the
same Christ, even when they belong to the same church, have so much trouble
getting along with each other and committing themselves to a common Christian
witness in the world?” His answer is that, before conversation begins, we all bring
certain “conscious or unconscious presuppositions about the meaning of
Christian faith and life that determine what we are able and willing - and unable
and unwilling - to hear from scripture, from fellow Christians, or even from God!”
Thus Guthrie sets for himself the task of identifying and clarifying the
presuppositions operative and determinative of the respective postures of
Orthodoxy, Liberalism and Pietism. Part I is divided into four sections
(Liberalism being treated in two sections, Moralism and Social Activism). Each
section is divided into a “In defense of ...” and “Criticism of ...” This first part is
largely descriptive with Guthrie giving a fair and balanced analysis of the
strengths and weaknesses of each position.
Part II is Guthrie's positive contribution toward transcending the division “Beyond Orthodoxy, Liberalism, and Pietism.” He suggests as a key to getting
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beyond the three conflicting positions, the concept of “witness.” A Christian, he
contends, is first and last simply a witness to Jesus Christ and to begin there, he
claims, will enable one to avoid the weaknesses and combine the strengths of the
three positions described in the first part of the book. The last three chapters
discuss what it means to witness to Jesus Christ, to the suffering love of God, and
to the liberating power of God. Guthrie's discussion is helpful and convincing.
This book would make a fine text for an adult education class in which there was
a serious purpose to deepen one’s own understanding of the faith and
commitment to Christian service, while broadening one’s perspective on the
essential unity of the faith that comes to expression with varying accents and
nuances. A more gracious spirit within the Church and a more effective witness
without would result from a study of this text.

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                    <text>Divine Improvisation – Human Wonder
From the series: Cosmic Symphony
Scripture: Genesis 1:1-5; Psalm 9; John 1:1-14
Richard A. Rhem
Christ Community Church
Spring Lake, Michigan
June 22, 1997
Transcription of the spoken sermon

Sometimes when I reflect on what I try to communicate to you by way of writing
or preaching, I question myself. I realize that I am on a fascinating quest that
never quits. Always, always I am trying to understand, understand the Mystery of
God, the mystery of the human being, and then it strikes me that that is really the
same quest. Do I not try to understand God, the nature of Reality, because I am
trying to understand myself, my human nature, the meaning of human being?
Sometimes I question myself for dragging you along on my quest. I cannot help
myself - these questions stalk my every waking moment and obtrude from my
unconscious at times during sleep. But, certainly not everyone is dogged with that
drivenness to search the mysteries of life.
When I doubt myself in the execution of my preaching/teaching ministry, I hear
voices from the congregation say, "We really only want to know that God loves us
and that in the end all will be well."
And then I am struck by the realization that that is precisely why I carry on my
quest - am driven by the need to probe, to discover. It is because, more than
anything else, I want to be able to say with honesty and conviction, God loves
you; all will be well. For that reason, I keep thinking and letting you in on my own
reflections.
We have inherited a faith tradition - the biblical story, Israel and Jesus, 2000
years of interpretive tradition - the Christian theological tradition. But all of it,
the biblical story and the interpretive tradition, was shaped in terms of a
conception of the world-creation and of God that we know is other than what is
being discovered in our day. Our knowledge of the cosmos is exploding, it is
awesome; it places the most brilliant scientists before Mystery. That knowledge,
gained through the sciences, is always tentative, open-ended, constantly being
confirmed or corrected, and that knowledge will not provide for us either proof or
disproof of God and the mode of God's engagement with cosmic reality. But, what
we learn from the sciences will make evident the conceptions of God and God's

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working derived from pre-scientific ages that no longer speak to us, because they
were based on an understanding of the world and its origin that has been
rejected.
The conception of the cosmic reality, which our best knowledge provides, does
not give a proof either of God's existence or non-existence, but it is the context of
understanding within which we must finally understand our experience of God.
Images of God and God's working which do not accord with our knowledge of
reality will not be convincing or adequate.
Therefore, faith's understanding needs new language, new concepts, and new
analogies. That is the task that drives me and, to the extent that you continue to
tolerate me and even encourage me, I believe it is the gift we can bring to our
world as a faith community.
A biblical scholar, John Knox, wrote something that struck me when first I read it
and continues to keep me at the difficult and risky task in which I am engaged.
He wrote,
For our hearts cannot finally find true what our minds find false. If they
could, we should be hopelessly divided and any firm grasp of reality would
be impossible. What we mean by "the heart" in this connection is not
something alien or counter to the mind, but is the mind itself quickened
and extended. The wisdom the heart has found, if it be wisdom and not
fantasy, is the same wisdom the mind all the while has been feeling after, if
haply it might find it. It is a wisdom which, far from bypassing the
understanding, enters through the doors of it, fills and stretches the space
of it, and only then breaks through and soars above it.
The Humanity and Divinity of Christ, p. 1
Perhaps another way of saying this is that the "heart" cannot find rest in a story
or a symbol which our reason shows to be out of sync with our experience and
knowledge of reality - not in accord with the reality we know from observation
and rational reflection, or, again, we will not "rest" in that which our common
sense rejects.
Given the fact that our knowledge of the physical universe, of the human being, of
global human society, and of historical development in a global perspective has
revolutionized our understanding of ourselves and the reality of which we are a
part, our faith formulations must be translated into new language and
conceptuality if they would continue to be compelling, convincing, meaningful
and awe-inspiring into the Third Millennium.
If you are of my generation, you can perhaps live and die with inherited stories,
symbols, and faith understanding. However, it is not just for ourselves, but for

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our children and grandchildren that we must re-think the faith in order that they,
too, might live in the assurance that God loves them and that all will be well.
Finding new language, a new translation of biblical faith does not mean that the
tradition in which we have been nurtured did not point us to and connect us with
reality, with God, that it did not provide a meaningful framework for
understanding our human experience. It did that for the Christian community for
all these centuries and still does so for millions. But the truth, the Reality to
which our faith formulations point, is beyond those formulations and
increasingly in the last three centuries those formulations have been shown to be
inadequate; they no longer image reality as we are coming to know it through
observation and scientific investigation.
In this situation a serious error has been committed by both the Academy and the
Church: both tend to identify the symbols, the interpretive story, with the Reality
itself. Thus as Science images a cosmos that is contradictory to the biblical story
and symbol, Science tends toward atheism or the denial of God, while Religion
grows defensive and engages in a futile effort to disprove the findings of Science.
Both efforts are wrong because both mistake the story/symbol for the reality
itself. It is not the Reality – In this case, God - that is disproved, but simply the
inadequacy of the interpretive story, the symbolic imaging, that no longer
connects what we know from scientific investigation with what we experience of a
transcendent reality as human beings.
How many years ago was it that the Mackinaw Bridge was built? I vaguely
remember that, soon after it was opened, a car pulling a mobile home was
overturned by a gust of wind while crossing the bridge. The occupants of the car
said they feared the bridge was collapsing. But, the bridge was just fine. The
storm overturned car and trailer on the bridge. But one can identify with the
initial fear of those folks - thinking bridge and themselves were plunging into the
sea.
So it is with our theological theories and explanations. New information shows
them up as picturing the world or God or the human person in a manner not in
accord with the reality discovered. But, that does not touch the reality of world or
God or person. It simply calls for re-thinking, revising our conceptions, re-telling
the old, old story.
In the re-telling, the tradition will be mined for stories and nuances forgotten or
overlooked. Certain language heavy with sacred association will be retained but
given new meaning in a new framework. The dismantling of old conceptuality is
not to destroy, to leave barren, but to find a more adequate expression that will
be resonant with a fresh authenticity.
Such an enterprise has always been going on and must ever continue. A
reactionary defensiveness on the part of the Church always proves futile and

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dangerous as religious leaders have not often trusted the people with full
knowledge of the best information available, thinking that, by shielding them
from advancing human knowledge, they will preserve them in the faith.
But to do so is dishonest and a disservice. James Fowler, the religious educator
who defined the stages of faith development points out that often the Church
itself is responsible for arrested spiritual development, keeping people stuck at
the adolescent stage rather than calling people to maturity in Christ. To keep the
people of God from maturity leaves them vulnerable to a David Koresh, a Jim
Jones, to militant, violent fundamentalism.
And if we do not continually re-think our faith formulations in light of ongoing
knowledge available to us, when we are confronted with such knowledge, there is
often anger, the rage of having one's core beliefs disrupted and perhaps rage and
rejection of the institution that misled, that failed to pass on an honest faith
interpretation in light of the best knowledge available.
Let me add one more thought: Our traditional story has hints that point to the
universality of God's grace, but we must honestly acknowledge that, in the wake
of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, that early movement reflected in the New
Testament documents shaped a religious tradition - Christianity - which has for
the most part been exclusivistic. Once again parts of the Church will declare even
now - Salvation by grace, but through Jesus Christ alone.
But today in our global society, where we have come to know other traditions and
the people who worship God in those traditions, we simply must recognize that
tribal conceptions of God and narrow religious traditions can no longer be pitted
against each other. Not only does a rigid exclusivism no longer make sense, it is
downright dangerous. Our world is too small, too inter-connected, too
interdependent to allow the volatility of religion to fuel tribal, ethnic and national
conflict.
If in the foregoing I give the rationale for my struggle to re-tell the story, I must
move on now and attempt to speak of God in new imagery. I have been
endeavoring to do that in these weeks since Pentecost, finding myself, as I've
said, in an accidental series.
In light of the fascinating story of the origin and evolution of our universe, how
can we speak of God? On Trinity Sunday I confessed my surprise at finding
myself imaging God in the threeness of the Trinity symbol:
God is a Mystery beyond our comprehension, yet present to the Cosmos,
which flows out of that infinite well of creativity as Energy, Matter, Time,
and Space. All that is given existence by the Breath or Spirit of God.
I borrowed an analogy from St. Augustine who imaged God as an infinite ocean,
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sponge submerged in that infinite ocean. The sponge has limits, is finite, though
vast and there is not a molecule or atom of the sponge that is not saturated with
the ocean's watery reality. So, argues Augustine, God is infinite, beyond knowing
- more than the whole of Reality, yet present totally to, in and with the cosmos,
giving it existence and life.
Interestingly, that image from the Fourth Century vividly expresses our best
sense of the relationship of God to the cosmos - more than (Transcendent); God
is more than the creation, yet present in (Immanent); God is intimately present
in all that is.
We have then gone on to claim that the nature of the Mystery, the Mystery's
meaning, intention, and purpose is defined in a Face - Jesus is the human face of
God; in his face we see the light of the knowledge of God; God gains definition as
the Word becomes flesh.
From Jesus' life and teaching we discover that devotion to God is the doing of
compassion - creating a humane community, where justice is done, compassion
is practiced, the hungry are fed, the oppressed set free, the homeless given
shelter. That is the end of religion, the purpose for joining in a faith community.
In that community we worship, being lifted beyond ourselves through liturgy,
symbol, music and artistic expression, recite the story, nurture, and join in the
action of compassion, following the way of Jesus.
Can we do that honestly, with authenticity in light of what we have learned of this
awesome cosmic drama of which we are a part and the experience of God in the
biblical faith tradition, as well as that attested to in other religious traditions?
I do believe we can. Not only do I believe we can re-imagine God in light of all we
know and experience of our world, but I believe the wonder of that Mystery is
more than our forbears could have dreamed of.
Let me suggest an image of God and God's relation to the cosmos and to
humankind that I find fascinating and profound. I take it from the British
Biologist/Theologian, Arthur Peacocke, whom I quote in the back pages of your
liturgy from his Theology for a Scientific Age. The image of God is that of a
composer, indeed, of a jazz improvisor.
The chapter title where this image appears is "God's Interaction With the World,"
and the subsection is "Models of God's Activity as Creator." Peacocke points out
two classic ways of speaking of the activity of divine creation - the model of
"making," and the model of "emanation."
The maker model speaks of God as the craftsman, the mechanic. This is the most
common biblical manner of speaking. However, the emanation model also finds
expression - God from God's own being goes out to be actively involved in giving
and sustaining the being of all that is.

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The "Maker" model lends itself to the idea of God's transcendence - God beyond
the world. The "Emanation" model points to God's immanence in Creation God's presence in and with all that exists.
In light of our knowledge of cosmic reality from the sciences and our reflection on
God in the biblical tradition, Peacocke suggests the model of artistic creation as
best imaging God's creative action and interaction with the world. It is in such a
context that he writes the section that appears in the pages of your liturgy. I find
the image of Jazz Improvisor fascinating and exciting - highly illuminating of the
manner in which God might interact with the cosmic reality.
I am woefully lacking in knowledge of music, music theory, tonality and all
related matters. But I can follow Arthur Peacocke's argument - that the composer
forms "cosmos" out of "chaos." I can create chaos on a keyboard; the result is
noise. The artist uses the same instrument to create music, melody, harmony.
And I can also sense that the execution of a musical score unfolds - the immediate
moment following on what has preceded and flowing into what follows.
It also makes sense to me that both chance and necessity are operative in a jazz
improvisation. I spoke with the master of improvisation last Sunday - Ken
Medema. I told him what I was going to attempt to do today. I said to him, " You
are all over the keyboard with creative freedom; yet you know some things will
work and some will not." He agreed. And I said further, "You are not sure just
where you will end up nor how you will get there." Again, he agreed.
That is the fascination of improvisation - the future is full of surprise; yet there
are certain limits, parameters within which the creative artist must work.
It also makes sense to me that creation is endowed with infinite potentiality
which might be actualized in this manner or in that. I can see then that, if on the
scene of an evolutionary unfolding of billions of years there emerges a creature
like humankind with self-consciousness, awareness, being the vehicle of spirit,
such a creature plays a very real role in the future of cosmic development. If the
Creator took the risk of creating a creature in the image and likeness of the
Creator, self-conscious, creative, free, then a whole new dimension has emerged
in the cosmic drama. Now there is a whole multitude of composers determining
scores of infinite variety raising the complexity of the whole to unimaginable
heights.
It makes sense to me, further, that the emergence of creatures of consciousness,
able to become observers of the cosmic symphony and players in that symphony,
would be the intention of the Creator Who delights in the cosmic play and
delights in the delight of those who come to share that delight, to wonder, to
stand in awe of it all.
And then I love the manner in which God as Jazz Improvisor illumines the idea of
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in its unfolding as the composer is in her music, so that in the playing of the score
musicians are experiencing the very being of the composer. So, to be engaged in
creative living in this cosmic drama is to know in intimate communion the
Creator Whose Spirit gives life to all.
The human creature, self-conscious, aware, attentive becomes the discerner of
God's amazing creative work in its infinite variety and depth and also the
actualizer of God's intention and purpose. And that actualization follows no rigid,
ironclad form. Actualization will take place in a great variety of ways through the
multiplicity of possible configurations.
That is to say - now the creature becomes herself a jazz improvisor, bringing new
patterns and forms to expression out of the infinite potentiality with which the
Creator has endowed the cosmos.
That points to the incredible responsibility and exhilarating challenge of being
"co-creators" with God. In awe before the Mystery, creative fount of all that is, in
adoration before the wonder of grace as revealed in the face of Jesus, in openness
to the enlivening Spirit that breathes through our being, we worship full of
wonder.
The ancient Hebrew poet captured, beyond what he could have known, the
paradox O Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!
When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers,
The moon and the stars that you have established,
What are human beings that you are mindful of them,
mortals that you care for them?
Yet you have made them a little lower than God,
and crown them with glory and honor.
In a cosmic symphony of such dimension, who are we - fragile, vulnerable,
indeed, small. Yet it is we who have become conscious, aware, who are able to
wonder, to worship and, with the Mystery Creator at the center, become cocreators moving the musical score toward humane community, spirituality, and
compassion, actualizing the Eternal Purpose of God for cosmic harmony - a
Divine Oratorio whose theme is "God loves you; all will be well!"
References:
John Knox. The Humanity and Divinity of Christ: A Study of Pattern in
Christology. Cambridge University Press, 1967.
Arthur Peacocke. Theology for a Scientific Age: Being and Becoming – Natural,
Divine and Human. Augsburg Fortress Publishers, 1993.

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                    <text>Do I Need Religion?
From the series: Can I Honestly Believe?
Text: Psalm 8:1; Psalm 42:2; Acts 17:22
Richard A. Rhem
Christ Community Church
Spring Lake, Michigan
July 12, 1998
Transcription of the spoken sermon

I announced a summer series in a recent Courier entitled With Heart and Mind
United. I cited a sermon from 1984 with that theme. In that sermon, I pointed
back to my return to this congregation in 1971 when we determined to be a
congregation marked by intellectual integrity and evangelical passion. We have
been on such an adventure of faith now for over twenty-seven years. When I
determined the series theme for this summer, it was not a case of conscious
recycling; rather, it was a determination to do once again what we have been
engaged in over all these years - to understand the faith we profess and live, to
bring our experience of God, of the sacred, the Holy, into connection with the
whole reality of our human experience. Working over that theme, I have named
the series Can I Honestly Believe? By that I mean, can I as a person at the end of
the twentieth century, aware of the universe of which I am a part, still believe in
God as Source, Guide, and Goal of all that is, to paraphrase St. Paul?
Faith, religious awe, worship and devotional practices arise from our depths, not
from rational analysis; we will never by exercise of our reason be able fully to
explain the human experiences of the Mystery we call God.
In a 1917 classic study of religion, Rudolf Otto wrote on the idea of the Holy, the
description of the experience of the Holy or a God as the ganz andere, the wholly
Other, that mystery beyond that breaks through to us but, breaking through to us,
making us unalterably aware of the reality in the presence, remains the hidden
one, the hidden mystery. The religious experience, Otto describes very, very
wonderfully when he says, it is
... the feeling that remains where the concept fails.
It is an experience that transcends the possibility of conceptualizing it,
articulating it, putting it into idea form.
But, put it into idea form, we will. We seem to have to do that. We will try to
understand. The understanding is never the same as the experience in itself, but
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being human as we are, rational creatures, reflective, self-conscious, we will
inevitably think about and seek to bring to expression at least in some symbolic
form that which will point beyond itself to the experience that has broken in upon
us. That seems to be the universal human experience, and that is the origin of
religion.
Religion has at least these three basic components: There is that which is
believed, or the doctrine. There is the mode of worship, devotion, practice, the
ritual, the liturgy, which seeks to be an expression, an action that gives
expression to the idea. And then, there is the drawing out of the implications of
the experience for daily living, or ethics. So, doctrine or theology, cult or worship,
ethics or morality - that’s the nature of human religion.
I have said this before a number of times, but I’m going to say it again until you
wake up in the middle of the night and repeat it to yourself - religion is a human,
creative construction. Religions don’t fall out of heaven full-blown. We make
them up. Not arbitrarily or capriciously, but we make them up in response to the
in-breaking of the sacred or the Holy or God, the experience that is still there
when the concept fails, but the experience that drives us to seek to articulate the
nature of it. We construct our human religion in response to the in-breaking of
the mystery that is God.
Therefore, and this is critical, the knowledge of the world, the universe, the
human being and society, in a word – the worldview, because it provides the
framework of human religion and will from time to time move beyond an earlier
understanding, will leave the religious structure, imagery and symbol with a
framework that no longer makes sense.
For a time the religious community will do a translation - the three-storied
universe heaven
earth
hell
is translated into modern cosmology with meanings spiritualized.
But, at some point, a symbol system breaks down and it no longer speaks, it can
no longer point beyond itself to the Ultimate. Then one must decide - either to
chuck religion as nonsense, or to recognize that an outmoded structure does not
spell the death of God.
Edward O. Wilson, in his recently published book, Consilience, talks about his
experience as a good Southern Baptist lad who went through the evangelical
experience of conversion and all the rest, but having a curious mind from the

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beginning, eventually went off to school where he says, "I chose to doubt." Then,
in his distinguished career as a biologist who recognized the place of religion in
people’s lives, he recognized the importance of religion in giving orientation, in
giving meaning, significance to life, and so forth. But he also recognized that he
was one person who could not continue to understand reality as continually being
unfolded in our presence before the pursuit of the natural scientist and still
somehow or other believe that there was a literal anchoring of conceptuality back
2000 or 3000 years. He refused to believe that the final revelation of God was put
in stone by an agricultural culture 2000 years ago at the eastern end of the
Mediterranean. He experienced cognitive dissonance.
Wilson raises the interesting question whether science, the examination and
exploration of reality, may not be a continuation of "Holy Writ," only on better
tested ground. He suggests the data of scientific investigation may play the role
that once revelation played in religion - satisfying the religious hunger to know
one’s place in the universe.
So far, the theory of everything has eluded even the great intellects of an Einstein
and a Hawking. And if one day the unity of knowledge becomes a reality, even
then one will have to choose whether or not behind it is still the Mystery that
manifests itself, yet remains hidden.
The questions we will be asking this summer are questions that arise because our
religious system, its imagery, symbol and conceptuality derives from another
time, based on an outmoded worldview. Therefore, in Wilson’s terms, there is
widespread cognitive dissonance.
Many have simply given up religious faith. Some of us struggle to bring religious
experience into meaningful conversation with our present knowledge of the
world.
That is my challenge for this summer season. But, the question arises: Do I need
it?
- Not if my religious practice was only a way to please a God Who might
condemn me to eternal punishment.
- Not if I practice religious devotion just to cover the bases, just in case ...
I read last night again The Grand Inquisitor, by Dostoevsky. Chilling, chilling!
Jesus appears in Seville, Spain, during the time of the Inquisition. They had just
burned 100 heretics at the stake and Jesus appears before a crowd of people and
the Cardinal, the church ecclesiast, sees him, has him thrown into jail, then goes
to speak with him, and tells him how the freedom of which Jesus spoke and for
which he gave his life cannot be handled by the people. The people need
authority. They live by miracle, mystery, and authority. Let them submit. Let
them be slaves, simply obedient, unthinking. Give them bread. That’s what the

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masses need, not the freedom of spirit of which Jesus spoke and incarnated. And
then the Cardinal says, after Jesus refuses to respond, but only arises and plants a
kiss on the wizened old face, the Cardinal says, "Get out! Get out and never
return!"
Well, we don’t need a lot more of that religion, even though there’s a lot of it alive
and well on Planet Earth. But, do we need it? No. No, not absolutely. But, I think
that there’s a loss without it. There’s a loss to our humanity and a loss to world
community.
The scripture lessons were read to indicate different experiences of God. I’m used
to watching the sunset. It’s been magnificent, but Friday morning I had to take
Nancy to the airport early and I caught a sunrise. Huge, flaming globe just over
the horizon. I said, "My goodness, it comes up like it goes down!" I’m not a
morning person, but the sunset or the moon, the stars say, "O Lord, our Lord,
how magnificent is your name in all of the earth. When I consider the stars, the
moon, the wonder of it all, I say how small am I." The sense of humility and
smallness before the vastness, the wonder of the world. But, I am a little less than
God! How can I give expression to that in a secular fashion? What if I can’t sing?
What if I have no song, no songwriter, and no one to whom to sing? Or, in life’s
anxieties and depression, the hunger for God. My soul thirsts for God, for the
living God. Or, like Isaiah, to come someday and to have the place filled with
smoke and to hear the rumbling and to be encountered by the mystery, the
fascinating and terrorizing mystery and to feel one’s own guilt and uncleanness
and unworthiness, and then to hear the word, "You’re cleansed. Your sin is
forgiven." And to be commissioned to significant living and service.
You don’t need religion. But I believe that to fail seriously to engage, to practice,
to be observant is a very great loss and leads to a truncated human experience
and a distortion of all that we’re intended to be.
Paul said to the Athenians, "You’re really religious. There’s an idol to an unknown
God just in case you missed one." I don’t need that kind of religion. But,
yesterday I had the privilege of being invited to the Bar Mitzvah of the son, David,
of Rabbi Alan and Anna Alpert, and in that Jewish community again, on Bar
Mitzvah day, which is high celebration, I felt the warmth, I felt the solidity of
family and of community. I regret that I wasn’t born Jewish because it’s not like
being born a Christian where you have to keep worrying about becoming one,
where you have to get converted, you have to keep wondering if you’re in or out.
A Jew is just a Jew! Can’t do anything about it. So, they celebrate, and those who
are observant, who are serious, celebrate it in wonderful warmth of community.
And there’s something more there than just good friends and family ties. It is in
the presence of a Mystery that here and there, now and again, has broken in upon
us, creating awe, wonder, gratitude, drawing forth worship, enhancing our
humanity and nudging us toward the things that make for peace.
You don’t really need it, but you’ll miss a lot if you don’t have it.

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APPENDIX
. . . I found it a wonderful feeling not just to taste the unification
metaphysics but also to be released from the confinement of
fundamentalist religion. I had been raised a Southern Baptist, laid
backward under the water on the sturdy arm of a pastor, been born again.
I knew the healing power of redemption. Faith, hope, and charity were in
my bones, and with millions of others I knew that my savior Jesus Christ
would grant me eternal life. More pious than the average teenager, I read
the Bible cover to cover, twice. But now at college, steroid-driven into
moods of adolescent rebellion, I chose to doubt. I found it hard to accept
that our deepest beliefs were set in stone by agricultural societies of the
eastern Mediterranean more than two thousand years ago. I suffered
cognitive dissonance between the cheerfully reported genocidal wars of
these people and Christian civilization in 1940s Alabama. It seemed to me
that the Book of Revelation might be black magic hallucinated by an
ancient primitive. And I thought, surely a loving personal God, if He is
paying attention, will not abandon those who reject the literal
interpretation of the biblical cosmology. It is only fair to award points for
intellectual courage. Better damned with Plato and Bacon, Shelly said,
than go to heaven with Paley and Malthus. But most of all, Baptist
theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed
the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really
privy to the thoughts of God? Might the pastors of my childhood, good and
loving men though they were, be mistaken? It was all too much, and
freedom was ever so sweet. I drifted away from the church, not definitively
agnostic or atheistic, just Baptist no more.
Still, I had no desire to purge religious feelings. They were bred in me; they
suffused the wellsprings of my creative life. I also retained a small measure
of common sense. To wit, people must belong to a tribe; they yearn to have
a purpose larger than themselves. We are obliged by the deepest drives of
the human spirit to make ourselves more than animated dust, and we
must have a story to tell about where we came from, and why we are here.
Could Holy Writ be just the first literate attempt to explain the universe
and make ourselves significant within it? Perhaps science is a continuation
on new and better-tested ground to attain the same end. If so, then in that
sense science is religion liberated and writ large.
Such, I believe, is the source of the Ionian Enchantment: Preferring a
search for objective reality over revelation is another way of satisfying
religious hunger. It is an endeavor almost as old as civilization and
intertwined with traditional religion, but it follows a very different course
— a stoic’s creed, an acquired taste, a guidebook to adventure plotted
across rough terrain. It aims to save the spirit, not by surrender but by
liberation of the human mind. Its central tenet, as Einstein knew, is the

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unification of knowledge. When we have unified enough certain
knowledge, we will understand who we are and why we are here.
If those committed to the quest fail, they will be forgiven. When lost, they
will find another way. The moral imperative of humanism is the endeavor
alone, whether successful or not, provided the effort is honorable and
failure memorable. The ancient Greeks expressed the idea in a myth of
vaulting ambition. Daedalus escapes from Crete with his son Icarus on
wings he has fashioned from feathers and wax. Ignoring the warnings of
his father, Icarus flies toward the sun, whereupon his wings come apart
and he falls into the sea. That is the end of Icarus in the myth. But we are
left to wonder: Was he just a foolish boy? Did he pay the price for hubris,
for pride in sight of the gods? I like to think that, on the contrary, his
daring represents a saving human grace. And so the great astrophysicist
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar could pay tribute to the spirit of his
mentor, Sir Arthur Eddington, by saying: Let us see how high we can fly
before the sun melts the wax in our wings.
Edward O. Wilson. Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge. Vintage, first
edition, 1999.

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                    <text>Do We Need a New American Dream?
Matthew 5: 38-48; Romans 12: 1-2; 14-21
Richard A. Rhem
Lakeshore Interfaith Community, Mother’s Trust
Ganges, Michigan
July 14, 2010
Prepared text of the sermon
A week ago we celebrated once again the independence of this nation, a nation
that was founded on a magnificent vision of human rights, of freedom,
democracy, and the rule of law. Those who created and signed our founding
documents were a rare gathering of visionaries whose labors established the
foundation of a very great nation. As one of my friends said recently, those
leaders were a miracle; they would never be able to establish the Constitution or
the Bill of Rights today in the present feverish climate of political partisanship.
One of my most respected mentors whose funeral I conducted lived to the age of
92. He would often say how blessed one is to live long because one gains a
perspective on the ebb and flow of human events. One has seen it all before, as it
were, and is not quick to despair no matter how dark the day. And that is
certainly true. Nevertheless, one has to be wholly out of touch with the current
affairs of state not to wonder if we haven’t reached a very dark period of our
national life. The partisanship in our federal government obstructing the
legislative process, the degree to which financial power trumps dealing with
critical global issues, the serious economic situation of the present, dealing with
the worst ecological disaster ever – one could go on but, of whatever political
stripe, I think there is a general consensus that we are not in a good place. It is in
recognition of the present state of this great nation and its failure to live by its
founding vision that I raise the question, “Do We Need a New American Dream?”
The New York Times columnist, Paul Krugman, opened his column on July 2
writing:
When I was young and naïve, I believed that important people took
positions based on careful considerations of the options. Now I know
better. Much of what serious people believe rests on prejudices, not
analysis. And these prejudices are subject to fads and fashions.
Krugman, a Nobel Prize economics scholar from Princeton, has been warning
that the stimulus has been too little and now warns against cutting off stimulus

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spending too soon. He finds the claims of deficit hawks similar to the claims of
Herbert Hoover as we plunged into the Great Depression.
Well, I’m not here to argue for or against Krugman; this session is not economics
101. His statement about how we take positions based on prejudice rather than
analysis struck me because I have been wrestling with that very same realization.
When one wants to raise questions about the American Dream, one is not likely
to have before one open minds eager for critical analysis. I’m not certain if
religious views or nationalism and patriotism breed the greater emotional bonds
that result in more prejudicial positions and less critical awareness; maybe they
are equal. This I know, a preacher courts disaster addressing any one of them.
That’s why I’m glad I’m not a preacher any longer – just a senior on the edge of
senility who will be forgiven for rushing in where angels fear to tread.
With all of that being recognized, nonetheless, I raise the question, “Do we need a
new American Dream?” The question was raised by the best selling author
Jeremy Rifkin, one of the leading social thinkers of our time, whose many titles
cover a wide range of subjects, and whose counsel is sought by the European
Union and heads of state around the world. His recent book, The Empathic
Civilization – The Race to Global Consciousness in a World in Crisis, is not
focused on the United States particularly; rather, he is thinking in global terms
about the human race. He did, however, write an essay entitled, “Empathic
Civilization: Is it Time to Replace the American Dream?” It is in that essay that he
deals specifically with the theme of my presentation. He defines the American
Dream:
For two hundred years the American Dream has served as the bedrock
foundation of the American way of life. The dream, reduced to its essence,
is that in America, every person has the right and opportunity to pursue
his or her own individual material self interest in the marketplace, and
make something of their life, or at least sacrifice so the next generation
might enjoy a better life. The role of the government, in turn, is to
guarantee individual freedom, assure the proper functioning of the
market, protect property rights, and look out for national security. In all
other matters, the government is expected to step aside so that a nation of
free men and women can pursue their individual ambitions.
He goes on to write of the present state of that dream which he thinks is in crisis
and then suggests that to recognize that fact is one thing; to do an analysis of the
Dream’s underlying assumptions is another.
Rifkin writes,
Although American history is peppered with lamentations about the
souring of the dream, the criticism never extends to the assumptions that
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thwart its realization. To suggest that the dream itself is misguided,
outdated, and even damaging to the American psyche, would be
considered almost treasonous. Yet, I would like to suggest just that.
I opened with Paul Krugman’s statement that “much of what serious people
believe rests on prejudice, not analysis,” because the task Rifkin takes on –
examining the underlying assumptions of the Dream – is where analysis will run
into prejudice. Nevertheless, his examination is critical for an understanding of
our present national situation. His particular attention to the American Dream
arises from his large work, The Empathic Civilization, which gives an overview of
the human story in its evolution and holds hope and possibility for a new stage of
the human project.
Rifkin portrays the broad sweep of human history as far back as we can probe,
but, for our purposes, Rifkin notes the cultural divide between faith versus
reason, faith dominating the first millenium and a half of the Common Era, with
reason becoming dominant with the Age of Enlightenment. It is his contention
that we are moving beyond the faith-reason divide toward an empathic
civilization. In a blog entitled “Empathic Civilization: Why Have We Become So
Uncivil?” (posted 03/01/2010), Rifkin writes,
At the dawn of the modern market economy and nation-state era, the
philosophers of the Enlightenment challenged the Age of Faith, that
governed over the feudal economy, with the Age of Reason. Theologians
and philosophers have continued to battle over faith vs. reason ever since,
their debates often spilling over into the cultural and political arenas, with
profound consequences for society.
The empathic advocates argue that, for the most part, both earlier
narratives about human nature fail to plumb the depths of what makes us
human and therefore leave us with cosmologies that are incomplete stories
– that is, they fail to touch the deepest realities of existence. That’s not to
dismiss the critical elements that make the stories of faith and reason so
compelling. It’s only that something essential is missing – and that
something is “embodied experience.”
Both the Abrahamic faiths – Judaism, Christianity, and Islam – as well as
the Eastern religions of Buddhism, Hinduism, and Taoism, either
disparage bodily existence or deny its importance. So too does modern
science and most of the rational philosophers of the Enlightenment. For
the former, especially the Abrahamic faiths, the body is fallen and a source
of evil. Its presence is a constant reminder of the depravity and mortality
of human nature. For the latter, the body is mere scaffolding to maintain
the mind, a necessary inconvenience to provide sensory perception,
nutrients, and mobility. It is a machine the mind uses to impress its will on
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constant reminder of death, and therefore, feared, disparaged and
dismissed in the world’s great religions and among many of the
Enlightenment philosophers.
But, Rifkin argues, the worldviews of both faith and reason, while still very much
alive in the present, are giving way to what he calls the age of empathy. He points
to recent developments:
New developments in evolutionary biology, cognitive science, and
psychology are laying the groundwork for a wholesale reappraisal of
human consciousness. The premodern notion that faith and God’s grace
are the windows to reality and the Enlightenment idea that reason is at the
apex of modern consciousness are giving way to a more sophisticated
approach to a theory of mind.
Researchers in a diverse range of fields and disciplines are beginning to
reprioritize some of the critical features of faith and reason within the
context of a broader empathic consciousness. They argue that all of human
activity is embodied experience – that is, participation with the other –
and that the ability to read and respond to another person “as if” he or she
were oneself is the key to how human beings engage the world, create
individual identity, develop language, learn to reason, become social,
establish cultural narratives, and define reality and existence.
Rifkin is making a bold and daring claim that human nature at its core is
empathic – in contrast to widely accepted views – from both the religious and the
Enlightenment thinkers, that human nature is “fallen,” is depraved in religious
parlance and competitive, even predatory, self-serving, acquisitive – every man
for himself and winner take all in the view of a market economy stemming from
Enlightenment thinkers such as John Locke, Adam Smith and others. Just what
does he mean when he claims the deepest core of human nature is to be
empathetic? Let me expand a bit on the nature of empathy as he explains it and
then illustrate it with stories that reveal it.
As I indicated above, the recognition of an empathic core to the human being is a
relatively recent discovery with much work remaining to demonstrate and
document it. Why has the realization of human empathy taken so long to
understand? According to Rifkin,
There is still another reason why empathy has yet to be seriously examined
in all of its anthropological and historical detail. The difficulty lies in the
evolutionary process itself. Empathic consciousness has grown slowly over
the 175,000 years of human history. It has sometimes flourished, only to
recede for long periods of time. Its progress has been irregular, but its
trajectory is clear. Empathic development and the development of
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energy-consuming social structures that make up the human journey. (We
will examine this relationship throughout the book.)
Because the development of selfhood is so completely intertwined with the
development of empathic consciousness, the very term “empathy” didn’t
become part of the human vocabulary until 1909 – about the same time
that modern psychology began to explore the internal dynamics of the
unconscious and consciousness itself. In other words, it wasn’t until
human beings were developed enough in human selfhood that they could
begin thinking about the nature of their innermost feelings and thoughts
in relation to other people’s innermost feelings and thoughts that they
were able to recognize the existence of empathy, find the appropriate
metaphors to discuss it, and probe the deep recesses of its multiple
meanings.
We have to remember that as recently as six generations ago, our greatgreat-grandparents – living circa mid-to-late 1880’s – were not encultured
to think therapeutically. My own grandparents were unable to probe their
feelings and thinking in order to analyze how their past emotional
experiences and relationships affected their behavior toward others and
their sense of self. They were untutored in the coming of the age of
psychology. Young people are thoroughly immersed in therapeutic
consciousness and comfortable with thinking about, getting in touch with
and analyzing their own innermost feelings, emotions, and thoughts – as
well as those of their fellows.
The precursor to empathy was the word “sympathy” – a term that came
into vogue during the European Enlightenment. The Scottish economist
Adam Smith wrote a book on moral sentiments in 1759. Although far
better known for his theory of the marketplace, Smith devoted
considerable attention to the question of human emotions. Sympathy, for
Smith, Hume, other philosophers, and literary figures of the time, meant
feeling sorry for another’s plight. Empathy shares emotional territory with
sympathy but is markedly different. (The Empathetic Civilization, p. 11f)
Rifkin connects empathy to its origins in sympathy and makes the distinction.
The term “empathy” is derived from the German word Einfuhlung, coined
by Robert Vischer in 1872 and used in German aesthetics. Einfuhlung
relates to how observers project their own sensibilities onto an object of
adoration or contemplation and is a way of explaining how one comes to
appreciate and enjoy the beauty of, for example, a work of art. The German
philosopher and historian Wilhelm Dilthey borrowed the term from
aesthetics and began to use it to describe the mental process by which one
person enters into another’s being and comes to know how they feel and
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In 1909, the American psychologist E.B. Titchener translated Einfuhlung
into a new word, “empathy.” Titchener had studied with Wilhelm Wundt,
the father of modern psychology, while in Europe. Like many young
psychologists in the field, Titchener was primarily interested in the key
concept of introspection, the process by which a person examines his or
her own inner feelings and drives, emotions, and thoughts to gain a sense
of personal understanding about the formation of his or her identity and
selfhood. The “pathy” in empathy suggests that we enter into the
emotional state of another’s suffering and feel his or her pain as if it were
our own.
Variations of empathy soon emerged, including “empathic” and “to
empathize,” as the term became part of the popular psychological culture
emerging in cosmopolitan centers in Vienna, London, New York, and
elsewhere. Unlike sympathy, which is more passive, empathy conjures up
active engagement – the willingness of an observer to become –part of
another’s experience, to share the feeling of that experience… (p. 12)
Is that the core of the human being in your experience? Why, if it is so, has
human history seemed to describe quite another human being? Rifkin
acknowledges that the official chroniclers of the human story – the historians –
“have given short shrift to empathy as a driving force in the unfolding of human
history. They write about social conflicts and wars, heroes and evil wrongdoers,
technological progress and the exercise of power.” Only rarely is the other side of
the human experience covered – the side that speaks of our deeply social nature
and the evolution and extension of human affection. Rifkin contends,
History, on the other hand, is more often than not made by the disgruntled
and discontented, the angry and rebellious – those interested in exercising
authority and exploiting others and their victims, interested in righting
wrongs and restoring justice. By this reckoning, much of the history that is
written is about the pathology of power.
Perhaps that is why, when we come to think about human nature, we have
such a bleak analysis. Out collective memory is measured in terms of crises
and calamities, harrowing injustices, and terrifying episodes of brutality
inflicted on each other and our fellow creatures. But if these were the
defining elements of human experience, we would have perished as a
species long ago.
All of which raises the question “Why have we come to think of life in such
dire terms?” The answer is that tales of misdeeds and woe surprise us.
They are unexpected and, therefore, trigger alarm and heighten our
interest. That is because such events are novel and not the norm, but they
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The everyday world is quite different. Although life as it’s lived on the
ground, close to home, is peppered with suffering, stresses, injustices, and
foul play, it is, for the most part, lived out in hundreds of small acts of
kindness and generosity. Comfort and compassion between people creates
goodwill, establishes the bonds of sociality, and gives joy to people’s lives.
Much of our daily interaction with our fellow human beings is empathic
because that is our core nature. Empathy is the very means by which we
create social life and advance civilization. In short, it is the extraordinary
evolution of empathic consciousness that is the quintessential underlying
story of human history, even if it has not been given the serious attention it
deserves by our historians. (The Empathic Civilization, p. 10)
I was given The Empathic Civilization for my birthday in February and I was
reading it during the Winter Olympics. I was reading about empathy at the
deepest core of our being when I actually experienced an instance of the human
family being one. Did you watch the recent Winter Olympics in Vancouver? If you
did is there one moment in particular that stands out for you? For me it was the
moment when Joannie Brochere, the Canadian figure skater, finished her first
program – a brilliant performance and, at its completion, burst into tears. Her
parents had come to Vancouver to support her bid for an Olympic medal. A day
after arriving her mother died of a heart attack. It was decided Joannie would
skate nevertheless. She did. She did it beautifully – for her mother – and then
burst into tears. I think there was not a dry eye in the Olympic stadium nor
anywhere in the world where people were watching. The TV commentator Scott
Hamilton’s voice cracked with emotion. In those moments the world was one,
united in empathetic embrace of that young woman. I was a beautiful moment. I
knew immediately that Rifkin’s claim for empathy at our core was right.
Rifkin knows that claim will not prove convincing through all sorts of scientific
studies of the brain – not through any form of rational argument where various
voices debate the issue. Thus before making his case for human nature being
empathic he relates an historical incident that has the same effect on us as did the
Joannie Brochere moment. He opens chapter one relating the story of December
24, 1914, in Flanders, Belgium:
The evening of December 24, 1914, Flanders. The first world war in history
was entering into its fifth month. Millions of soldiers were bedded down in
makeshift trenches latticed across the European countryside. In many
places the opposing armies were dug in within thirty to fifty yards of each
other and within shouting distance. The conditions were hellish. The
bitter-cold winter air chilled to the bone. The trenches were waterlogged.
Soldiers shared their quarters with rats and vermin. Lacking adequate
latrines, the stench of human excrement was everywhere. The men slept
upright to avoid the much and sludge of their makeshift arrangements.
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bodies left to rot and decompose within yards of their still-living comrades
who were unable to collect them for burial.
As dusk fell over the battlefields, something extraordinary happened. The
Germans began lighting candles on the thousands of small Christmas trees
that had been sent to the front to lend some comfort to the men. The
German soldiers then began to sing Christmas carols – first “Silent Night,”
then a stream of other songs followed. The English soldiers were stunned.
One soldier, gazing in disbelief at the enemy lines, said the blazed trenches
looked “like the footlights of a theater.” The English soldiers responded
with applause, at first tentatively, then with exuberance. They began to
sing Christmas carols back to their German foes to equally robust
applause.
A few men from both sides crawled out of their trenches and began to walk
across the no-man’s-land toward each other. Soon hundreds followed. As
word spread across the front, thousands of men poured out of their
trenches. They shook hands, exchanged cigarettes and cakes and showed
photos of their families. They talked about where they hailed from,
reminisced about Christmases past, and joked about the absurdity of war.
The next morning, as the Christmas sun rose over the battlefield of
Europe, tens of thousands of men – some estimates put the number as
high as 100,000 soldiers – talked quietly with one another. Enemies just
twenty-four hours earlier, they found themselves helping each other bury
their dead comrades. More than a few pickup soccer matches were
reported. Even officers at the front participated, although when the news
filtered back to the high command in the rear, the generals took a less
enthusiastic view of the affair. Worried that the truce might undermine
military morale, the generals quickly took measures to rein in their troops.
The surreal “Christmas truce” ended as abruptly as it began – all in all, a
small blip in a war that would end in November 1918 with 8.5 million
military deaths in the greatest episode of human carnage in the annals of
history until that time. For a few short hours, no more than a day, tens of
thousands of human beings broke ranks, not only from their commands
but from their allegiances to country, to show their common humanity.
Thrown together to maim and kill, they courageously stepped outside of
their institutional duties to commiserate with one another and to celebrate
one another’s lives.
While the battlefield is supposed to be a place where heroism is measured
in one’s willingness to kill and die for a noble cause that transcends one’s
everyday life, these men chose a different type of courage. They reached
out to each other’s very private suffering and sought solace in each other’s
plight. Walking across no-man’s-land, they found themselves in one

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another. The strength to comfort each other flowed from a deep unspoken
sense of their individual vulnerability and their unrequited desire for the
companionship of their fellows.
It was, without reserve, a very human moment. Still, it was reported as a
strange lapse at the time. A century later, we commemorate the episode as
a nostalgic interlude in a world we have come to define in very different
terms. (p. 6f)
I get goose bumps reading that story even though I’ve read it many times.
Something happens to me inside – some “Yes, yes, that is the way it should be –
always, among all people.” I know in my “heart,” my inner being, what rationally
I cannot prove. I’m reminded of a statement of Rudolph Otto in his classic, The
Holy: “The feeling which remains when the concept fails.” Whether or not one
can argue the biological, psychological, or spiritual bases of empathy at the core
of our being, one knows that it is true in one’s heart of hearts. As Rifkin
comments on that Christmas Eve, he denies it was some sort of fluke:
But was it a lapse or was it an epiphany moment when what is deepest in
our human nature came to expression in a most remarkable fashion?
Yet what transpired in the battlefields of Flanders on Christmas Eve 1914
between tens of thousands of young men had nothing to do with original
sin or productive labor. And the pleasure those men sought in each other’s
company bore little resemblance to the superficial rendering of pleasure
offered up by nineteenth-century utilitarians and even less to Freud’s
rather pathological account of a human race preoccupied by the erotic
impulse.
The men at Flanders expressed a far deeper human sensibility – one that
emanates from the very marrow of human existence and that transcends
the portals of time and the exigencies of whatever contemporary
orthodoxy happens to rule. We need only ask ourselves why we feel so
heartened at what these men did. They chose to be human. And the central
human quality they expressed was empathy for one another. (p. 8)
I tell the story of Joannie Brochere and relate the Christmas Eve “epiphany
moment” because we can “feel” what occurred in both instances, whereas simply
to cite the claim with supporting scientific analysis of child development,
psychological and cognitive data invites arguments, and it is so easy to move into
an intellectual discussion when we are dealing with the deepest level of feeling
which defies rational statement because it is the language of the heart.
I began with Rifkin’s question, “Do we need a new American Dream?” He raises
the question out of his sense of our present national condition and his convection
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Dream rooted in Enlightenment thought of the modern period that replaced the
theological view that prevailed for the first 1600 years of the Common Era. The
Enlightenment philosophers saw human reason as the apex of being human and
that is what Rifkin challenges with his claim that empathy marks us rather than
the ideology of faith from the feudal period or reason from the Enlightenment
Age. In a word, the present is increasingly a world of growing global
consciousness and we have a dream born of eighteenth-century thinking when
the Age of Reason and the amazing vision of our founding fathers set us on the
course to greatness.
Rifkin suggests the vitriolic rhetoric, the nasty partisanship, the “take the
government back” and “get government out of the way” represent a sense of panic
that we are losing the American Dream and the reaction is precisely a lack of
empathy which, like it or not, will increasingly mark our global civilization. That
is where we have arrived and are increasingly moving: the global civilization, the
empathic civilization, are understood as threatening the American Dream – and
they are. In a blog posted 02/08/2010 Rifkin asks “Empathic Civilization: Why
Have We Become So Uncivil?” He suggests,
When we talk about civility, we are really talking about empathy: the
willingness to listen to another’s point of view, to put one’s self in
another’s shoes and to emotionally and cognitively experience what they
are feeling and thinking. To civilize is to empathize.
Below all of the fiery rhetoric and finger pointing, the acid comments and
degrading personal attacks, is a deep-seated fear and mistrust of “the
other” – in other words, a lack of empathy.
My sense is that the fear that is spreading like a wild fire across America is
due, in large part, to a seismic shift occurring in our thinking about the
most cherished values of American life: our notions of freedom, equality,
and democracy. In other words, what we are really discussing –
underneath the surface of the political and ideological debates – are our
beliefs about the basic drives and aspirations of human beings.
Freedom in the nation state era has been closely associated with the ability
to control one’s labor and secure one’s property, because that is the way to
optimize pleasure and be happy. The classical economists argued that
every individual is free to the extent he or she can pursue their individual
self-interest in the material world. Freedom, in the rational mode, is the
freedom to be autonomous and independent and to be an island to one’s
self. To be free is to be rational, detached, acquisitive, and utilitarian. The
role of government, in turn, is to safeguard private property relations and
allow market forces to operate, unfettered by political constraints. The
conventional American dream is personal opportunity to succeed in the
marketplace.

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Against that “conventional American Dream,” Rifkin sets out our new global
situation:
The empathic approach to freedom in the emerging Biosphere Age is
based on a different premise. Freedom means being able to optimize the
full potential of one’s life, and the fulfilled life is one of companionship,
affection, and belonging, made possible by ever deeper and more
meaningful personal experiences and relationships with others – across
neighborhoods, continents and the world. One is free, then, to the extent
that one has been nurtured and raised in a global society that allows for
empathetic opportunities at every level of human discourse. The new
dream is the quality of life of humanity.
Rifkin makes a strong case for the incivility of the present being the result of
“what we are really discussing underneath the surface of the political and
ideological debates,” – that is our beliefs about the basic drives and aspirations of
human beings.” What we fail to do is carry on civil discourse. As I cited earlier in
this essay, Rifkin contends that our criticism “never extends to the assumptions
that underlie the dream, but only to political, economic and social forces that
thwart its realization”. He knows well that what is needed is to recognize that “the
dream itself is misguided, outdated, and even damaging to the American psyche
and, as he writes, that “would be considered almost treasonous.” However, before
we call for his head, we need to hear him further; empathy need not threaten our
human existence at its best and highest. Rifkin writes,
The ability to recognize oneself in the other and the other in oneself is a
deeply democratizing experience. Empathy is the soul of democracy. It is
an acknowledgment that each life is unique, unalienable, and deserving of
equal consideration in the public square. The evolution of empathy and
the evolution of democracy have gone hand in hand throughout history.
The more empathic the culture, the more democratic its values and
governing institutions. While apparent, it’s strange how little attention has
been paid to the inextricable relationship between empathic extension and
democratic expansion in the study of history and evolution of governance.
Reimagining freedom, equality, and democracy from an empathic
perspective has far-ranging consequences for the kind of society that we
choose to live in. We would need to rethink our parenting styles,
educational systems, business practices and even governance itself to
reflect our empathic nature. This would constitute nothing less than a
cultural revolution.
No one would deny that there is merit to our long-standing ideas about
freedom, equality and democracy – especially the notions of personal
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political rights. Still, it’s hard to deny the fact that a younger generation is
beginning to broaden and deepen its sense of freedom, equality and
democracy in an increasingly interconnected, interdependent and
collaborative world.
Perhaps what is needed is a more transparent public debate around our
core views of freedom, equality and democracy. Maybe it is time to suggest
a moratorium on the hyperbolic political rhetoric and incivility and begin a
civil conversation around our differing views on human nature. This would
offer us a moment in time to listen to each other, share our feelings,
thoughts, concerns and aspirations, with the goal of trying to better
understand each other’s perspectives, and hopefully find some emotional
and cognitive common ground.
Had I another life, that is the conversation in which I would love to be engaged. I
would love to set forth the claims made by Rifkin in the preceding paragraphs
and engage in a transparent public debate around our core views on freedom,
equality and democracy.
These are his claims:
• The evolution of empathy and the evolution of democracy have gone
hand in hand throughout history;
• The more empathic the culture, the more democratic its values and
governing institutions.
Thus, the inextricable relationship between empathic extension and
democratic expansion.
Our problem today is not that there is a lack of conversation although perhaps
conversation is too positive a term for the constant diet, 24/7, of political
posturing and media anchor types’ inflamed rhetoric and betrayal of the truth.
Our problem today is the lack of civil discourse, where we genuinely listen to each
other, genuinely seek to hear each other and understand each other. That
requires empathy.
Antonio Damasio, a noted neuroscientist, has demonstrated through extensive
studies of brain functioning that there is no such thing as a “cool headed
reasoner.” (Descartes’ Error, 1994, cited by R. I. Benjamine in an essay on
mediation). That means even as I recognize the critical necessity of civil discourse
I must be aware that the human problem resides in me as well. I can become
aware. I can “catch” myself. I can keep checking myself. That I must do.
Further, I can be vigilant over against those who try to influence me. For
example, the cable opinion shows or Talk Radio – let me mention three: Rush
Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Keith Obermann. There are many others but in the case of
these three I have to ask, are they appealing to my better angels or to my
demons? Are they stoking my fears, my prejudices, my darker emotions or aiding
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a critical listener and not just one of the sheep being led to aberration, hate and
even violence.
Let me cite one example. A writer I have come to appreciate is Robert Wright who
writes an occasional column in the New York Times on culture, politics and
world affairs. On June 29, 2010 he wrote, “The Myth of Modern Jihad.” It
concerned the response of Daniel Pipes to the Times Square bomber’s confession
in which Shahzad said, “I’m going to plead guilty a hundred times over. I consider
myself a mujahid, a Muslim soldier.”
Pipes, I’ve discovered, is located on the right end of the political spectrum, known
for his anti-Islamic position. (His father before him was an anti-Russian
crusader.) Daniel Pipes is a Harvard Ph.D. and has lectured there and is presently
at Stanford. His pedigree thus indicates scholarly achievement. His response to
the Times Square bomber’s confession, however, bespoke his anti-Muslim bias
and confirms what I stated above about how none of us escapes bias. Wright
responds to Pipes’ response to the bomber’s confession:
This got some fist pumps in right-wing circles, because it seemed to
confirm that America faces all-out jihad, and must marshal an accordingly
fierce response. On National Review Online, Daniel Pipes wrote that
Shahzad’s “bald declaration” should make Americans “accept the painful
fact that Islamist anger and aspirations” are the problem; we must name
“Islamism as the enemy.” And, as Pipes has explained in the past, once you
realize that your enemy is a bunch of Muslim holy warriors, the path
forward is clear: “Violent jihad will probably continue until it is crushed by
a superior military force.”
At the risk of raining on Pipe’s parade: If you look at what Shahzad
actually said, the upshot is way less grim. In fact, at a time when just about
everyone admits that our strategy in Afghanistan isn’t working, Shahzad
brings refreshing news: maybe America can win the war on terrorism
without winning the war in Afghanistan.
As a bonus, it turns out there’s a hopeful message not just in Shahzad’s
testimony, but in Pipes’ incomprehension of it. Pipes exhibits a cognitive
distortion that may be afflicting Americans broadly – not just on the right,
but on the center and left as well. And seeing the distortion is the first step
toward escaping it.
Cognitive distortion. Wright points to it even more sharply and confirms the
tendency that afflicts all; but in Pipes’ cognitive distortion Wright sees hope.
Now on to the second cause for hope: Pipes’ confusion itself. For these
purposes, it doesn’t matter whether Shahzad was telling the truth, because
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statement of purpose,” adding, “However abhorrent, this tirade does have
the virtue of truthfulness.”
So then why doesn’t it bother Pipes that Shahzad’s depiction of Islamic
holy war as defensive counter-attack is the opposite of the depiction Pipes
has peddled for years? How can he possibly hail Shahzad’s comments as
confirming his worldview?
It’s only human nature. Once you decide that some group is your
implacable enemy, your mind gets a little warped. Virtually all incoming
evidence is thereafter seen as consistent with that model.
The same tendency to which he points in the case of Pipes’ reaction to Shahzad’s
confession was at work in the Cold War according to Wright:
This cognitive distortion reared its head in America’s previous cosmic
struggle. Just about all cold war historians agree that Americans bought
into the “myth of monolithic communism.” Once we decided that the
communist menace was a single, vast, implacable force, we failed to
appreciate, for example, tensions between Russia and China that in
retrospect seem obviously important. We had our model, and we were
sticking to it. Pipes has his model, and he’s sticking to it. He needn’t
dismiss evidence inconsistent with it, because he can’t really see the
evidence to begin with.
This same tendency may now be impeding America’s ability to conduct the
war on terrorism wisely….
The analogy with communism is worth dwelling on. People warned that if
Vietnam fell, the dominoes would keep falling until America itself was
under communist control. After all, Russia and China – the sponsors of
our Vietnamese enemy – would join with the Vietnamese government to
use Vietnam as a forward base if we were chased out. You know – kind of
the way al Qaeda would join with a Taliban that controlled any chunk of
Afghanistan to torment America.
Wright ends the piece suggesting what Rifkin would affirm.
I’ve been kind of hard on Pipes – in parts of this column and in an earlier
column. So I’m glad to have the opportunity to emphasize that he’s just an
example of the human mind at work, albeit a particularly revved up
example. It’s only natural to attribute to your enemy more cohesion and
menace than is in order. We used to do this with communism, and now we
do it with radical Islam – and radical Muslims, for their part, do it with us.
It’s a temptation we all have to fight. Maybe if we fought it as hard as we
fight other enemies, we’d have fewer of them.

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Because this whole train of thought has been so much with me, over the past
decade or so, I’ve taken note – even before Rifkin’s Empathic Civilization – of
moments that have changed the face of history. And since reading Rifkin and
deciding to address this matter today, I’ve clipped instances of reconciling
moments when I’ve become aware of them. For example:
In April-May 1940, nearly 22,000 Polish officer corps, intellectuals, professors,
lawmakers, and professionals were murdered by Russia in the Forest of Katyn in
Russia. The whole occasion is now being studied. (The official Russian version
points to German responsibility.) That historical tragedy has been annually
remembered by the Poles. Recently there has been communication between the
Poles and the Russians. On February 10, 2010, Prime Minister Putin invited his
colleague Donald Tusk to attend a Katyn memorial in April. The visit took place
on April 7, 2010, when Putin and Tusk commemorated the 70th anniversary of the
massacre. On April 10, 2010, a plane carrying the Polish President, Lech
Kaczynski, his wife and 87 other politicians and high ranking military crashed in
Smlensk killing all 96 aboard. They were on their way to attend the 70th
anniversary of the massacre. That was the occasion for an op-ed column by Roger
Cohen, appearing in the New York Times. Cohen wrote,
My first thought, hearing of the Polish tragedy, was that history’s gyre can
be of an unbearable cruelty, decapitating Poland’s elite twice in the same
cursed place, Katyn.
My second was to call by old friend Adam Michnik in Warsaw. Michnik, an
intellectual imprisoned six times by the former puppet-Soviet Communist
rulers, once told me:
“Anyone who has suffered that humiliation, at some level, wants revenge. I
know all the lies. I saw people being killed. But I also know that
revanchism is never ending. And my obsession has been that we should
have a revolution that does not resemble the French or Russian, but rather
the American, in the sense that it be for something, not against something.
A revolution for a constitution, not a paradise. An anti-utopian revolution.
Because utopias lead to the guillotine and the gulag.”
“Katyn is the place of death of the Polish intelligentsia,”Michnik, now the
soul of Poland’s successful Gazeta Wyborcza newspaper, said when I
reached him by phone. “This is a terrible national tragedy. But in my
sadness I am optimistic because Putin’s strong and wise declaration has
opened a new phase in Polish-Russian relations, and because we Poles are
showing we can be responsible and stable.”
Michnik was referring to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s words after he
decided last week to join, for the first time, Polish officials

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commemorating the anniversary of the murder at Katyn of thousands of
Polish officers by the Soviet Union at the start of World War II. Putin,
while defending the Russian people, denounced the “cynical lies” that had
hidden the truth of Katyn, said “there is no justification for these crimes”
of a “totalitarian regime” and declared, “We should meet each other
halfway, realizing that it is impossible to live only in the past.”
The declaration, dismissed by the paleolithic Russian Communist Party,
mattered less than Putin’s presence, head bowed in that forest of shame.
Watching him beside Poland’s Prime Minister, Donald Tusk, I thought of
Francois Mitterrand and Helmut Kohl hand-in-hand at Verdun in 1984: of
such solemn moments of reconciliation has the miracle of a Europe whole
and free been built. Now that Europe extends eastward toward the Urals.
I thought even of Willy Brandt on his knees in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1970,
a turning point on the road to a German-Polish reconciliation more
miraculous in its way even than the dawning of the post-war GermanFrench alliance. And now perhaps comes the most wondrous
rapprochement, the Polish-Russian.
Cohen concludes the piece on a strong note of hope.
So do not tell me that cruel history cannot be overcome. Do not tell me
that Israelis and Palestinians can never make peace. Do not tell me that
the people in the streets of Bangkok and Bishkek and Tehran dream in
vain of freedom and democracy. Do not tell me that lies can stand forever.
Ask the Poles. They know.
Another recent event on the world scene is the attack by Israel troopers on the
flotilla heading toward Gaza in an effort to break the Israeli blockade. I need not
rehearse that event. I refer to it only to give another example of how empathy or
the lack of it has serious consequences. A New York Times editorial just
yesterday records the continuing discord between Israel and Turkey, as the
flotilla was supported by Turkey and nine Turkish citizens were killed in the
Israeli operation.
After the Flotilla
Published July 9, 2010
Nearly six weeks later, Turkey and Israel are still stoking anger over the
disastrous Israeli attack on a Gaza-bound aid ship. Their posturing and
threats are playing into the hands of extremists. Both countries need to
find ways to cool things down.

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Turkey is furious about the death of eight Turks and one TurkishAmerican in the raid. Israel claims that its soldiers acted in self-defense
and that the flotilla was organized by radical activists, supported by
Turkey, who were bent on provoking an incident. Israel’s government has
opened its own review, with outside observers, but ha resisted calls for an
international investigation – the only chance of getting Turkey to answer
questions.
Since the raid, Turkey has recalled its ambassador from Jerusalem, halted
military exercises with Israel and banned Israeli military planes from its
airspace. It is now threatening to sever all diplomatic ties if Israel does not
apologize, compensate the victims’ families and accept an international
investigation.
Israel has withdrawn its defense advisers from Turkey, warned Israelis
against visiting their once solid Muslim ally and impounded the seized
ships. It is refusing to pay compensation or apologize.
Of course, this is a minor moment in a massive international problem.
Nonetheless, one sees how hardened positions lacking the empathic dimension
can create a threat to global peace and well-being for all Earth’s children.
One more example. This one again creating hope coming from yesterday’s Times.
The headline: “For Final, South Africans Put Past Aside.” The “Final,” of course,
refers to this afternoon’s World Cup Final between The Netherlands and Spain.
The editorial notes many in South Africa will cheer for the Dutch because of the
long colonial connection, even though what is brought to mind by that connection
is apartheid and the oppression of blacks for so long.
Reading that I was reminded of Nelson Mandela and the movie Invictus. If you
haven’t seen it, do so. It is an inspiring movie about the inspiring man, Mandela,
who after serving a total of 27 years in prison for his engagement in winning
human rights for blacks, was elected the President of South Africa in 1994,
serving a five-year term and, because of his age, choosing not to run for a second
term.
The movie records how Mandela used the South African rugby team to unite the
nation. He realized the power of sports to bring people together. In 1995 South
Africa hosted the Rugby World Cup and it was a powerful uniting force in South
Africa, the Springboks defeating New Zealand in the final. Mandela presented the
trophy to Springbok captain, Francois Pienaar, wearing a Springbok Jersey with
Pienaar’s number 6 on it. That was a major step forward black and white
reconciliation.
Mandela had early experience with the Methodist tradition. It was, however, the
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– non-violent resistance – in South Africa. And Gandhi was greatly influenced by
the Way of Jesus.
I read from the Sermon on the Mount – Matthew 5: 38-48. Jesus transcends
what was an advance in human relations – an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth –
in other words, response in proportion to the injury. No taking of a life for a
minor offence in other words. The Mosaic tradition had made progress to get to
that point. But Jesus goes all the way – no violence. In his own ministry nonviolent resistance was his way. And the power of that non-violent resistance
brought him to a crisis point. The powers that be, imperial and collaborating
religious leaders condemned him to death – crucifixion. He died the way he died
because he lived the way he lived. He died for a cause, the cause of God as he
understood God and his people on whose behalf he brought his historical
moment to a crisis. A cross, not a place of atonement for the sin of the world in
my understanding but a place of integrity, authenticity, giving the seal of faithful
love to his life and ministry. Therefore a symbol ever after of love and faithfulness
to the end.
I have on occasion confessed that for most of my ministry I did not preach on the
Sermon on the Mount. I didn’t know what to do with it. My Christian faith was a
salvation cult. I honestly, desperately desired people to believe and be saved. The
Jesus of atonement provided salvation to be experienced here and consumated in
the hereafter. I was sincere. I was passionate, and I missed the glory and wonder
of Jesus. I just didn’t “get it” and I’m afraid the vast majority of the Christian
church still doesn’t get it.
Love your enemies, he taught. Love beyond the bounds of your clan, your tribe.
Take your cue from God whose sun shines on the evil and the good, whose rain
falls on the gardens of all indiscriminately. In a word, be mature as your Father in
Heaven is mature. The Greek word telios is translated “perfect” but that gives the
wrong impression. The word really means having attained the purpose/end for
which one is created – thus perfect in the sense of full grown, mature.
Talk about empathy! There you have it. The Greek word for love is agape. It is
God’s love. It is a love that sees the value of another and affirms it. It is not eros –
erotic love, though that is one of creation’s great gifts. It is not philia –brotherly
(sisterly) love, wonderful as that is. It is agape – the love that in loving creates
worth and value in the other.
In the anguish of crucifixion Jesus prayed, “Father, forgive them for they know
not what they are doing.” That takes my breath away! True to the end. Loving to
the end.
Do we need a new American Dream? Dear God, yes! In a world become a
neighborhood there is only one hope of survival – loving our enemies until they
become friends. Refusing violence, making an end of war.

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I regret it took me so long to find the Way of Jesus and move ever so slightly
toward maturity – the maturity that is God-like.
God have mercy on us all.
References:
Jeremy Rifkin. The Empathic Civilization – The Race to Global Consciousness in
a World in Crisis. New York: The Penguin Group, 2009.
Jeremy Rifkin, “Empathic Civilization: Is It Time to Replace the American
Dream?” The Blog, posted February 22, 2010.
Robert Wright, “The Myth of Modern Jihad,” The New York Times, June 29,
2010.

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From the series: A Fresh Look at an Ancient Story
Text: Luke 6:36; Romans 12:2
Richard A. Rhem
Christ Community Church
Spring Lake, Michigan
Lent, March 18, 2001
Transcription of the spoken sermon

I have a question this morning that I invite you to consider with me. It is a
genuine question, not some rhetorical question, not a question for which I have
an answer. It is an honest question about which I invite you to think: Do we need
God to be good?
The question came to me a month or so ago. The Lakeshore Ethnic Diversity
Alliance sponsored a diversity summit at Hope College involving hundreds of
people from this area. It was a very significant event, a day spent looking in the
face of racism primarily, but at all forms of exclusionary behavior that hurt and
wound and divide. The keynote speaker that morning was Dr. Greg Williams, the
author of a book, Life on the Color Line: The True Story of a White Boy Who
Discovered He was Black, which narrates his life, his experience. It is a most
extraordinary story. There were many of you from Christ Community there, and
others I am sure, became aware of the event through news stories.
I won’t try to give you the whole story of Greg Williams except to say that he grew
up in Alexandria, Virginia, in some affluence as a white son in a white family. But
the family broke up. The father was an alcoholic, the mother fled because of
abuse, and at ten years of age Greg found himself with his younger brother and
father on a bus headed for Muncie, Indiana, which was the birth home of his
father and his mother. In the midst of the journey, the father told the boys, “In
Virginia you were white. In Muncie you will be black.” The shock could hardly be
taken in.
They came to Muncie where Greg’s father, who had passed for white in Virginia,
was identified clearly with the black community. Since the father had lost
everything, the three made their way to an aunt’s place, and here’s an address for
you: 601 Railroad Street. Being white, Greg was not accepted by the black
community, and being black in Muncie, was not accepted in the white
community.

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Greg told his story with great grace and passion, a most moving story, indeed. He
told of the incredible pain of a little white boy discovering he was black and of
having his whole world turned upside down. He was exceptionally bright,
industrious, and hardworking. Eventually, he and his brother were taken in by a
wonderful black lady who had no bloodlines to them at all, but simply provided
home, safety and security, as well as encouragement. To make a long story short,
and it is a long, tortuous story, Greg Williams graduated from high school, from
college, earned a master’s, a Ph.D., and graduated from law school. Presently he
is the dean of the Law School of Ohio State University.
What a remarkable story! It is one thing to read it in the book, but quite another
thing to hear the story from the person who lived it. As I drove from Holland to
Spring Lake along the highway that day lost in thought, having been deeply
moved, the question of this morning arose in my mind: Do I need God to be
good? What went through my mind was the fact that I was so horrified once again
with the pain that we inflict on one another. I felt so inwardly devastated by the
reality of racism that confronted me with such power and potency that morning. I
thought about the question from last Sunday’s sermon: What’s the matter with
us? What’s wrong with us?
Then I thought to myself, as a Christian leader, a preacher and a theologian, do I
need God in order to call myself and you to be good, to be good in the sense of
goodness that contrasts to the ugliness that is so much a part of the human
landscape? Do I need to call in God as some external, supernatural being, a
lawgiver who holds us accountable, a lawgiver who restrains our behavior, a
lawgiver who models another way of being? Do I need God in order to be
convinced of that or in order to persuade others? Because what I was thinking,
what I was feeling was that I, myself, ought to know enough to be good, that is, to
be a moral, decent, civil, human, and humane being.
I know in my depths what goodness is and I know enough to be good without
having some external support or some external law code or manual of behavior. I
am a self-conscious, free and responsible person. Why do I need God to be good?
Why can’t I simply be good, because I would be good for goodness’ sake? Is it not
enough for me to see that, to experience that, to be moved at a deep level? Is that
not enough to transform my consciousness and to shape my life? Do I need God
to be good?
To be sure, that is how God has been used. That is how the religions, the great
religions have imaged God. God is the supernatural, external being
communicating laws to the universe.
This is the way it was in Israel, of course. Israel was a nation of people structured
by laws which were claimed by scriptures to be God-given. With its moral code,
the Ten Commandments, but also with all the civil legislation and ceremonial

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law, Israel was a nation of law. They had a manual, a code of divine revelation,
and we as a Christian Church took that over.
In the gospel reading this morning Jesus set forth that impossible ethic. Did it
strike you as I read it again—that impossible ethic to which Jesus calls us? To
love our enemies and finally concluding the paragraph with, “Be compassionate
as your father is compassionate.” Over and over again the Israelites heard the
word, “Be holy, for I am holy.” Jesus said, “Be compassionate as your father is
compassionate.” That is the way that the great religious traditions have
communicated the imperative to goodness.
The apostle Paul said in the twelfth chapter of Romans, the great chapter, almost
as difficult as the Sermon on the Mount to follow, “Be not conformed to this
world but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that you may prove
what is the perfect will of God.” And then in a very particular fashion he calls us
to graciousness, to generosity, to humility, to integrity, to love—again an
impossible ethic.
That is the way God has been used in the great religious traditions. Negatively
put, God is the law-giver and the law enforcer, and if you break the law, there is
hell to pay. Positively stated, God is the moral example. God is the exemplar of
that which is good. Therefore, follow God.
The religious traditions have arranged a way by which ordinary humankind,
obviously unable to live up to such high demands, can find a way of atonement
and of reconciliation through priestly mediation, and it seems to me that in our
great religious traditions, that is pretty much the way we have come to settle in.
We co-exist with the evil, the pain, the anguish, the brokenness, the pain we
inflict and the pain inflicted upon us. We co-exist with it almost easily because we
recognize our own brokenness. We plead for mercy, and we go on our way in a
kind of co-existence with a world replete with hurt and pain and violence, of
which racism, or exclusivism of any sort, are simply the outward symptoms.
But do we need that kind of external reinforcement or threat or promise? Might it
not be possible for me as a human being, having come to self-consciousness and
awareness, being a responsible and relatively free individual, to decide and to
determine to be good? For example, what if God “out there” doesn’t exist? What if
that traditional religious image of God, that biblical image of God as the
supernatural creator/law-giver, doesn’t exist? Would it make any difference in
the way we live?
At the beginning of the twentieth century, Nietzsche, in the light of the whole
modern development, the development of modern atheism, cried out those
famous words: “God is dead, and we have killed him, and now everything is
permitted.” Nietzsche saw the collapse of the whole western European moral
structure, and went mad. Dostoevsky, in what arguably may be one of the

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greatest novels ever written, The Brothers Karamazov, has a minor character
say, “If God does not exist, there is no virtue. Virtue is useless.”
Would you agree with that? Do you need God to guarantee value, virtue? What if
that God “out there,” that superhuman being, that human being writ large, what
if that God doesn’t exist? How would it affect your conduct?
Are you good because of God? Do you need that kind of God to be good? In the
eighteenth century, Immanuel Kant, who was identified with that great
movement of the human spirit, the Enlightenment, was convinced that the
human species had come to a hinge point in history, a new level of consciousness:
Auf Klärung, the German phrase “enlightenment.” Kant was convinced of the
rationality of the human being. He thought that, being free and responsible, the
human being would no longer need that external demand, but could selfconsciously and self-critically determine to act morally. Of course, then came the
twentieth century, the most bloody and violent century on record. So we can say,
“Well, Kant, it isn’t true after all that there is a kind of movement of the human
race out of adolescence and into maturity, into adulthood.” That was his claim,
that the adolescence of the human race was over and we were moving into
another level.
But what if the thing that Kant saw is a thing that doesn’t happen overnight, not
even in a century or two? What if we are in the midst of a process, a process
which has been underway for fifteen billion years? What if the whole process of
nature that has brought us to the present moment, what if that whole cosmic
process has issued a moment like this, where individuals like us can sit together,
considering such a question? What if that process is reflective of that within the
process itself which has moved us to this present point and, as Kant saw, we can
come consciously to understand? We know so much about our world through
scientific investigation, but have only scratched the surface. Nonetheless, I
suppose, we have knowledge, and we come self-consciously to the appreciation of
the wonder of life, the marvel of the world.
This morning I looked out as the sun came up. It caught the ice floes on the lake,
and they glistened like a thousand swans. Then, as I was driving across Little
Pigeon Creek, that same sun caught two swimming swans in all of their white
radiance. One catches one’s breath at the wonder of it all; even in the frigid
March, the pussy willow begins again to bud.
What if, after fifteen billion years, after the torturous process of the evolutionary,
biological, historical development of which we are the product, what if we are the
meaning of it all? What if we are beginning to see that invitation to be good
without external application of law or threat or promise, but goodness for
goodness’ sake?

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“Ah,” you say, “you’re a dreamer.” Yes, I’m a dreamer. There have always been
prophets and poets and philosophers and theologians and middling preachers
such as myself who have dreamed of another possibility. Certainly Isaiah did in
that marvelous sixty-fifth chapter where he talks about the lion and the lamb
lying down together and no one hurting or destroying in all God’s holy mountain.
And the classic Christian conception of heaven—what is it but the recognition
that everything that we know and experience here is only a shadow of what
should be, could be, ought to be? Finally, beyond the ambiguities of history in all
of its pain and all of its anguish and all of its brokenness and all of its violence,
that vision of heaven, that perfect state, that kingdom of God—those are biblical
images that emanate from the depths of the human being that knows something
other than has ever been.
But what if we’ve come to a point where we no longer looked for that external
God to intervene and to bring it to consummation? Certainly that was Isaiah’s
hope. That was Jesus’ hope. What if we have come to see that God is not “out
there,” ready to snap the finger and shape things up, but rather, God is coming to
expression in the human? What if it’s our play? What if it’s our move?
If God “out there” doesn’t exist, then might there be a spirit within us that is
beckoning us to be good for goodness’ sake? Then might we see the function of
our religious life as the creation, the recognition of meaning, of living with
wonder? What if in this Lenten journey we might come to a fresh awareness, a
new understanding, a deeper appreciation and an overwhelming sense of
gratitude? In that case, we could fall to our knees and say, “O God!” For what is
God but that which is trying to come to expression, to create paradise, heaven on
earth, community?
Then I wouldn’t need God to be good. God would be good through me. Then the
world would be changed and we would live with reverence and awe in the milieu
of love and the bonds of community. Then, just then, maybe God would be God.
References:
Gregory H. Williams. Life on the Color Line: The True Story of a White Boy Who
Discovered He Was Black. Plume/Penguin Books, 1996.

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Acts 3:11-21; Revelation 22:8-12
Richard A. Rhem
Christ Community Church
Spring Lake, Michigan
Advent I, November 29, 1992
Transcription of the spoken sermon
Advent is a season in which we celebrate within the Church the one who came,
the one who comes, and the one who will come. Advent means coming, to
approach for a visitation. Israel was that nation of people who throughout their
history looked for one who would come, who would be anointed with the Spirit of
God. The Hebrew word Messiah means “the anointed one.” The Messiah was the
one that Israel hoped for, prayed for, and longed for in order that God’s will
might be done on earth as in heaven. The anointed one, the Messiah, the longedfor one was anticipated every time a priest was anointed with oil or a king was
enthroned and anointed again with oil, for the oil, the sign of the Spirit, was a
sign of God’s empowering through the Spirit. Every priest and every king was a
sign pointing to that one who one day would come supremely, full of the Spirit of
God, and would bring justice and peace and Shalom.
The Christian Church believes that the awaited one indeed did come, and that
one was Jesus of Nazareth. Sometimes we speak of Jesus Christ as though it is a
first and last name, but that is not correct. Christ is a title. Jesus of Nazareth was
believed in the Church to be the Christ, the anointed one, the Messiah, the one
long looked for by Israel, the one who would bring the will of God into effect on
earth. In the Christian Church, the expectation that this Jesus of Nazareth was
the one grew in various ways among his disciples and his followers. And then he
was crucified. Those who had hoped despaired, for they said, “We thought that
Jesus might be the one! But a crucified Messiah? No way!” But when Jesus was
raised from the dead and he appeared to them, they rejoiced. They also began to
see that the fulfillment of God’s plan and purpose came in a way quite other than
they had expected. It was a new and surprising way, but they believed that this
Jesus who was crucified, resurrected and in the presence of God was the reigning
Lord whom they expected imminently.
I read from the Book of Acts this morning because it reflects one of the very
earliest conceptions of these events that would mark the end. Peter, who had
presented Jesus as the one who was crucified and raised by God, says to those
who were listening, “Repent.” That is, change your mind. Turn around. Repent
and understand that this one whom you crucified was God’s servant, indeed the
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Messiah. He says, “Repent. Turn to God that your sins may be wiped out, so that
the times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may
send the Messiah appointed, that is, Jesus.”
Now when you think about that for a moment, it is rather interesting. “Repent
that the seasons of refreshing may come. That he may send the Messiah.” Well,
didn’t they believe that Jesus was the Messiah who had already come? Yes. But it
would seem as though in this conception, at least in those early days when
everything was fuzzy, they were saying Jesus was the Messiah, but that he was in
the presence of God now, as though heaven is keeping him until you repent and
turn, and the seasons of refreshing come and there is the universal restoration.
Then God will send the Messiah appointed to you again, that is, Jesus.
Now that conception of things did not prevail in the New Testament Church, but
it was one of the earliest understandings—Jesus of Nazareth, Messiah, in heaven
for a while but soon to return. The expectation of the return was obviously very
vivid and the return was to be imminent. At the end of the Revelation to John,
the revelation of the ascended Lord, the Book of Revelation, Chapter 22, we have
these words of the ascended Lord who gives the vision to John. He says, “Behold I
am coming soon.”
How soon is soon? What do you think? What would be soon? He says at the tail
end of the first century, “I am coming soon.” What do we give him? Six months?
Or would you give him a year? Ah, somebody over here says, “I’ll give him two
years.” How soon is soon? What do you think? How about two thousand years?
That’s not soon. That’s not soon according to any kind of soon I’ve ever
understood. And yet for two thousand years there have been preachers taking this
text and saying, “Go outside and watch the sky because it may be today.”
If we had more time this morning I’d sing for you a chorus of “Jesus Is Coming
Again.” I am really tempted to do it, but I won’t. “Jesus Is Coming Again,” and
you can flip your dial anywhere you want to on the radio today and you’ll hear
preachers all over the country saying, “Repent, because Jesus is coming and it
may be today.” How long can you hold your breath? How far can you stretch this
thing out and still talk about Jesus coming soon? Do you think he is coming? Do
you think he is coming soon?
I don’t think you do. In all honesty, I don’t think you do. I think after two
thousand years, anybody that expects Jesus to appear on earth soon and establish
a kingdom is simply going along with a traditional conception of things that has
had a strong hold on the Christian Church. But I don’t think we really believe it.
That raises a question for me. Was perhaps what the New Testament Church
understood about Jesus true, but cast in a form that really could not carry the
freight for us into modern or postmodern times? This is the way I have come to
understand it, the way I have found most helpful in trying to translate all of the

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imagery of the second coming, the end events, and the rapture (or is it the
rupture), the great white throne, the final judgment, heaven and hell and all of
that–the end events. The way that I have come to translate that for myself is in
the same way that I have come to translate the opening chapters of Genesis.
Somehow or other, in the stories of the beginning we have been able to accept the
symbolic presentation of profound truth, moving away from the literal
understanding. But at the other end, we’ve never been able to shed the literal
translations of those images and understand them symbolically.
Think about the beginning. You don’t really think there was a garden called Eden,
do you? You don’t really think there was a Mr. Adam or a Mrs. Eve. Do you
believe there was a snake, a tree, an apple? Well, with Adam and Eve, of course,
there was a pair. And they do say of Eve that she was a peach, but not an apple
with a worm! Not a snake, a talking snake! Yet the story’s message was full of
truth. It was the Hebrew understanding of what was going on in their own time
and in their own existence. What they said essentially was, “Everything that is, is,
because God said, ‘Let there be.’” God said, “Let there be.” And “It is very good.”
Well, then they said, “If it was created very good, why it is so bad? How come
everything is so rotten?” And they said, “It’s not God’s fault. It is our fault,
because we, who were created to worship and adore and serve, usurped God’s
place in proud rebellion and self-assertion. We wanted to be God. And so it was
we who made hell on earth.”
That’s what those chapters tell us. And what they tell us is profoundly true of our
existential experience of the human situation where we are drawn to heaven and
mired in earth, caught in the tension of worshiping and rebelling, wanting to be
God and yet wanting to be God’s. In those symbolic representations of garden
and tree and snake and apple, all of the most profound truth of the cosmos of
God, of the human situation, comes to the fore.
It has been a long time since I’ve been able to negotiate all of that and come to a
deeper understanding of biblical truth. Yet it is only recently that I dealt with the
other end of it in Revelation in the same way. All of those images of the golden
city, the streets of gold, the tree for the healing of the nations–all of those images
picked up from the Old Testament really tell us that paradise was lost. But in the
End, paradise will be regained. The garden out of which we were driven becomes
the city into which we are invited. Essentially the Bible says that God, who in the
beginning had good plans for us, will consummate those plans ultimately in the
end. What the Biblical message is trying to say in those allusions to Jesus
crucified, risen, ascended, reigning, and returning may have meant to intimate a
pouring out of his Spirit, the Spirit of God for us, the community which is the
body of Christ.
Jesus did say, according to John’s Gospel, “I will not leave you comfortless. I will
come to you.” Pentecost was the coming of the risen one. The Spirit of God, or the

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Spirit of Jesus, is with us forming the community. The community is the body of
Christ, which is to live out the life according to the example of Jesus of Nazareth.
Jesus was the anointed one. Jesus was full of the Spirit. And Jesus lived a life
according to the intention of God. Those who follow Jesus are those who form
concretely the community of God’s people where God reigns, where there is
righteousness and justice and mercy and peace, where love abounds. Those end
references are simply the only way we can talk about these kinds of things, by
which we bear witness to our conviction that it’s not all going to come to naught,
but that ultimately God’s way will prevail. God’s purposes will be realized and we
will be gathered into the eternal brightness of God’s presence with all God’s
people.
All of the imagery and symbolism of the New Testament is simply a testimony to
the conviction of the early Church that God had acted decisively in Jesus and the
end was no more in question. It is something like a chess game, to which I get
subjected every once in a while by my grandson Derek on Sunday afternoon when
I am tired and brain dead. The mistake I made was to let my son Joseph, when he
was a little boy, teach me to play chess . . . a little bit. Now I’m humiliated week
after week by my grandson.
But two weeks ago I was doing quite well. I actually had more off the board than
he did, and I thought I might have a chance of licking him until that fateful move
when I unthinkingly did the wrong thing, and I knew it. I thought, the good news
is I am going to be able to take my nap! It was over. So I just put my king out
there where he could get me. He said, “Oh, no, Bumpa. No, no, no. There’s
another move you can make.”
So I made the move, and he had to make another move, and I could make
another move. But it was all over. All he was doing was dancing me all over the
board until finally he got me into the corner where there was no more wiggle
room. “Checkmate!”
In the early Church, in God’s chess match with all that was opposed to God, what
happened in Jesus was that decisive move. There is no possibility that God will
not be all in all. But there is still a little wiggle room. As people of God, we believe
in that already, of the presence of the kingdom, a kingdom not yet in its fullest
expression. In the meantime God is with us.
Do you want me to tell you three things that sum up everything that I could
possibly suggest you believe and bet your life on? They are these: God in the
beginning, God in the end, and God in the meantime. In the beginning all that is,
is because God said, “Let there be.” In the end, God will be all in all. And in the
meantime, Immanuel, God is with us in the flesh of Jesus who came to us and
continues in the ongoing community of God’s people in the bread and in the cup,
tokens of a presence with us now.

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Where is history going? I don’t really know. What will happen to planet earth? I
haven’t got a clue. I simply know that for myself and those I have loved and lost,
and for my children and my children’s children—in the beginning, God. In the
end, God. And in the meantime, God in tokens of bread and cup, and word, and
in the flesh of the community—in the other that one loves and in whose face one
sees God. That’s enough.
I will sing, “He is coming, He will come again,” and by that I mean poetically in
song, liturgically in worship, that I adore the God who has called us into being
and has come to us and will finally fulfill every promise when we are gathered
eternally in the brightness of God’s presence. Thank God.
Do you really think God is going to come? No, you don’t. But don’t you know that
God is with you and that you could never move beyond the grip of God’s grace?
Of course, you do. And that’s enough. That’s all you need. That’s true!

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The Prodigal Son’s Father
From the series: Stories Jesus Told
Luke 15:11-24
Richard A. Rhem
Christ Community Church
Spring Lake, Michigan
March 28, 2004
Transcription of the spoken sermon
This Lenten season we are remembering Jesus, hoping thereby to experience
God, and we remember Jesus not because he was alien, a God-figure from
beyond that entered our history, donned our human nature and effected our
salvation only to return to that eternal state. Rather, we remember Jesus because
as John’s Gospel said, “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us,” and that
marvelous insight which is much more profound, I think, than anyone has ever
plumbed, is that God has become human. So, in remembering Jesus, we are
remembering a human being about whom our tradition has said, “There God is
embodied.”
A couple of weeks ago, Walter Wink was with us to suggest that our calling as
human beings is not to become God-like, but to become fully human, because
God is the only Human Being with a capital H and a capital B; and, that this
cosmic process of billions of years has been evolving and has issued into this
present state in which we are the products of that emerging process - alive,
conscious, able to contemplate it all. That cosmic process of billions of years has
culminated in the likes of us, but as Walter Wink reminded us, we are only
primitively human, we are only human on the way, and if that insight of Jesus as
the Son of the Man would indicate, then it is toward that full human existence
that we are moving, by God’s grace, in order that we might become human as God
is Human. And so, in remembering Jesus, we are seeking to experience God.
Jesus is our story. There have been other human beings who have been overcome
with encounter, who have been overwhelmed by some moment of epiphany,
some rifting of the sky, some theophany, some manifestation of that Ultimate
Mystery. Abraham heard a voice or saw a vision or had a dream and the
instruction was to leave his family and his environment and go out. For Moses, it
was a burning bush. The experience of the Buddha in enlightenment was not
other than that, and Mohammed had visions which he then recorded in the
Koran. Our window on God is Jesus and in John’s Gospel again, in that
conversation with Phillip, as we noted, Jesus said, “If you have seen me, you have
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seen the father.” To look upon the face of God, look upon the face of the human.
And so, we have our window, Jesus, and it was Jesus’ life. But in his life, Jesus
was a storyteller, and he told the story which I read a moment ago which is
perhaps his most familiar and best-loved parable, the parable of the Prodigal Son.
The story has a lot to say about the son, about human nature, but it’s more
profoundly a parable about a prodigal God. It is a parable about the nature of
God, for the father in the story is obviously God. As Jesus tells that story, he
reveals his understanding, his sense of the nature of God. I want to think about
that with you this morning with a question, and this is my question to you: Do
you suppose God is really like that? The father represents God in Jesus’ parable.
Do you think God is like the father in the parable? If the father image bothers
you, if that is too much a throwback to an old, supernatural being beyond us, or if
the father image as father bothers you, let it go. Think in terms of the Ultimate
Mystery, or a source and ground of being, that abyss of limitless being out of
which flows all that is. I don’t care how you think of it; image it any way you want
to, it doesn’t matter. But, Jesus was talking about that which was ultimate. He
was talking about Ultimate Reality. He was talking about the sacred, the holy, the
Mystery. He was talking about God. I wonder, and I want you to keep asking
yourself this morning, “Do I really suppose that that Ultimate, that God, is like
that? Like the father figure in the story?”
The story is so familiar. There is the request of the younger son against all
tradition and all decency, really, to have his inheritance ahead of time so that he
can depart, and he goes off into the far country. Since we’re focusing on the father
figure, I want you to simply note that there was total freedom given to the son.
There was no injured pride. There was no weeping and wailing. There was no
judgmental attitude. There was no alienation. Jesus says the son made the
request and we know the request was contrary to family order. But, there was no
protest. The father gave him his inheritance and he left without any brokenness,
any estrangement, which says to me that the Ultimate Mystery in Jesus’ mind is
that which offers freedom, total freedom, that we write our own script.
Now, when I say total freedom, I know I am speaking in a community where we
have such ability to write our script. We are, of all people, most blessed with our
resources, with our context. And I know that that is not true of millions and
millions of earth’s children, so when I speak about the freedom to write our own
script, I am mindful of the fact that that freedom has in some cases severe
limitations. You perhaps have been reading again about women in Afghanistan
immolating themselves, setting themselves on fire. Can you imagine? Can you
imagine how tragic must be the human existence of one who would be driven to
that kind of absolute desperation? Did you catch in the newscast last night that in
Palestine the little children are collecting cards like our kids collect cards?
Baseball cards, right? No. The Palestinian children are collecting martyr cards.
Some Palestinian entrepreneur has created cards with the pictures of those who
have been martyred. There were all these little children with their cards and they

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were filling their albums with martyr cards. Can you imagine a child growing up
who, rather than having baseball cards, has martyr cards? Or, that young lad, 14
years old, with a bomb strapped to him who was fortunately intercepted by the
Israelis, a suicide bomber really not wanting to die? So, when I think about
freedom to write our script, I know I’m talking to those of us who have so much,
so much beyond so many of the world’s peoples. There are limits to that freedom,
but nonetheless, if there is no longer any freedom, there is no longer any
humanity and so I would say that in the story Jesus tells, what he is saying in that
getting over the yielding to the request of the younger son is that there is no
absolute script that is written; there is no predestinated story that is unfolding
according to some eternal plan; there is no sovereign, ultimate, absolutism in
history. It is rather that we write the story with freedom in greater or lesser
degree.
Do you think God is like that? Do you think that reality is like that? Do you think
that our human experience is like that? We can go from the departure of the son
directly to his return. We don’t have to go into the far country and linger there,
although a lot of great sermons have satisfied prurient interest about what went
on in the brothels and the pig sties, but we don’t really need to go there because
this story isn’t about the experience of the son. It’s really about the father. And so,
from that granting of freedom, we go to that gracious welcome, a welcome that if
you knew the color of the local society, the father an elderly gentleman picking up
his robe and running to meet the son, defies all of the local custom about dignity
and honor and what is right and proper, the father who doesn’t let the son get his
well-rehearsed story out, but rather, embraces him with tears.
Eighteen months or so ago, a few of us were in St. Petersburg and I stood in the
Hermitage before that huge canvas of Rembrandt’s “Return of the Prodigal,” and
pictured there is that old man, his arms straight from his shoulders, the son
stooping before him, with a welcome without recrimination, with a welcome
without any sign of alienation, with a welcome without any word of rebuke, that
spoke not at all of some period of probation, a welcome that simply was a reunion
and a celebration full of love and grace.

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Do you suppose that God is really like that? Do you suppose that the ultimate
mystery of reality is like that? Well, if we would put it in contemporary terms that
we have been talking about God becoming human, do you suppose that the
cosmic process of 13 billion years has a bias toward love and grace? Would you
think that maybe in this evolving process onto which stage we have emerged
there is something intrinsic in the process itself that has a bias, a tendency
toward love and grace, that kind of magnificent picture that Jesus drew for us?
Or, would you say “No. No, a cosmic reality has no bias toward love and grace. It
is a random process, a random, neutral process unfolding.” You may be right
about that. But, if that is the case, we have emerged and one emerged about
whom they said there is the embodiment of what is ultimate in the mystery of
God, and that one told a story about this kind of love and grace and we have made
that one our centerpiece, that one we say is our window on God; and that one
spoke about that which is ultimate in terms of love and grace. So maybe it is a
random process. Here we are; who would have thought it? Nobody directed it.
That’s one possibility, but here we are and we can gather around a story like that

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which says that the ultimate values are freedom and love and grace effecting
reunion and reconciliation. So, whether the process has that within itself or we
come on the stage and recognize that and invest it with ultimate meaning, it
doesn’t really matter. Whether intrinsic in the process or affirmed by us, love and
grace and reconciliation and reunion are the Ultimate. Do you think, do you
suppose that that’s the way it is at the heart of things?
That’s not the way it is in traditional religious understanding. That’s not the way
it is in traditional Christian understanding, for while in traditional Christian
understanding the parable of the Prodigal Son is a piece of the puzzle, it is
jammed into the blender with a lot of other stuff and what we get is an
homogenized view in which you have to add some stuff to the parable of the
prodigal in order to get a decent God. In the traditional view, there is something
more that you have in the parable of the prodigal. The father who, in freedom,
allows one to write one’s own story, and with gracious openness receives that one
back into the bosom of love, in traditional Christianity you have, and it’s right at
the heart of this season, you have the whole atonement thing and of course, the
world will never be the same after Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ.” It
will take another whole generation to wash out that popularization of the very
worst conception of the death of Jesus. But there that violent suffering, that
horrible suffering of Jesus is a sign of the costliness of the sacrifice that was
demanded in order for God to be able to forgive us. That’s 180 degrees from the
parable of the prodigal, for the father in the prodigal needed no payment, no
pound of flesh nor pint of blood. The father in the prodigal parable simply, with
heart broken with joy, received the son home. And that is 180 degrees from
traditional Christian atonement theology which says yes, God is loving and
because God is loving, God provided a way, but God is also just and therefore
needed God’s honor to be satisfied. Those two are in irreconcilable conflict. I see
it more clearly every day of my life. Those are two conceptions of God. Those are
two conceptions of Ultimate Reality.
In yesterday’s paper, perhaps you read that the final volume of the Left Behind
series is out. This is a series of novels about the last things, the end times, a
dramatization of the Book of Revelation. It is a total misreading and
misunderstanding of the revelation of Jesus Christ to John, the last book of the
Second Testament. It is a literalization of that which is highly symbolic, and it
makes that writing, which was aimed at its own historical context in a time of
intense persecution in the early days in the Christian movement, into history
written ahead of time of the last times; and it is a travesty of any kind of
intelligent biblical understanding or interpretation. But, be that as it may, other
than that, how did I feel about it? This is more serious. This is a book review. The
title of the book is Glorious Appearing, The End of Days. Apparently, those few
believers who were not raptured at the time that Jesus came to take them out of
history, those who were left and those who were converted during the time of
tribulation are hovering in a rock fortress, and this review says,

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... This rock fortress has been protected by God time and time again, but now its
inhabitants face a mighty army whose sole goal is absolute annhililation. This
battle is the Battle of Armageddon, it is the battle of the end time. Armageddon is
a valley in Israel and this is the final battle when Jesus comes and encounters
Satan and Satan’s hosts who have been, of course, afflicting the believers.
Apparently this head dog is Carpathia and Carpathia himself leads the charge.
But, he is no match for Jesus Christ who returns as prophesied to save the
fortress. The battles continue with Jesus’ words alone wiping out hundreds of
thousands of troops. The culmination is at the holy city of Jerusalem fractured
into three by earthquakes as Jesus wins his final victory. Judgment comes for
followers of Satan, but it is the peace that Jesus brings to believers that touches
the heart. While Jenkins’ writing is swift and a bit colloquial, his use of scripture
is truly inspired. Nothing but scripture is spoken by Christ, portions of the Bible
that bring comfort, judgment, war and love.
That Jesus is a warrior. That Jesus slays thousands with his words. That Jesus
wins the final triumph, and effects the salvation of those that believe and the
eternal damnation of those he destroys. That Jesus is totally contrary to the Jesus
who tells the story that we looked at this morning, where the Ultimate Mystery is
love and grace, where there is no final “No,” where the door is always open and
the light is burning forever in the window. This is not just an incidental matter.
This conception, the traditional conception of a God who needs a pound of flesh
and a pint of blood, whose son will return as a warrior to destroy the wicked, this
God is a God drawn by the myth of redemptive violence that ultimately the
peaceable kingdom will be issued in by violence. Walter Wink used that phrase,
the myth of redemptive violence. It is a totally different conception of the heart
and center of reality, and in that myth of redemptive violence, you effect finally
peace through war. President Woodrow Wilson had a dream of the League of
Nations which his own Senate voted not to enter when it was established, but he
led us into the First World War, a war to end all wars. More recently we have
gone into Iraq in order to bring democracy into the Middle East and we continue
to live under the delusion of the myth of redemptive violence. You may say to me,
“Well, what is the other answer, then? Passivism?” I would say no, not passivism.
It is non-violent resistance, and the cost of non-violent resistance may well be
crucifixion and there may be hell to pay for a long time, but I’ll tell you this - it is
the way of Jesus and it is the only hope of salvation of the world. There will never
be peace brought by violence if we believe Jesus. If we believe Jesus, then there is
wonderful news and scary news. The wonderful news is that the ultimate values
are freedom and grace and love, that love and grace alone transform. Violence
can coerce. Violence can control. Violence can keep the demons at bay. Love and
grace alone transform. Love and grace alone alter consciousness.
Jesus told the story about the Ultimate Mystery, God, being a God of freedom and
grace. That’s the good news.
The scary news is that it is in our hands. It is in our hands.

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So, do you suppose that God is really that? Where did you get your image of God?
Handed down, of course, as with all of us. But, isn’t it time for us to receive those
traditional images critically and then take responsibility for the choice we make
as to what is ultimate? The choice we make will determine whether the human
family has a future, whether the peaceable kingdom will ever be realized.
What do you think?

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Veterans' History Project
Marshall Doak
World War II
Part 1 – 2 hours 3 minutes 40 seconds
(00:00:13) Early Life
-Born in Sturgis, Michigan at 220 Grove Street on March 3, 1921
-Father worked for CL Spence factory in Sturgis, but also played music
-Died on Christmas Eve when Marshall was seven years old
-Everybody was poor during the Great Depression
-Made do with what they had
-Mother remarried in 1933
-Moved to Benton Harbor, Michigan
-Got along well with the black children, because they were poor too
-Graduated from Buchanan High School in 1938
(00:03:45) Enlisting in the Navy
-Interested in going to the Naval Academy
-Had a scholarship to Rutgers University
-Packed his belongings and planned on hitchhiking to Rutgers
-Went from Benton Harbor to Detroit to Canada to the New York border
-Couldn't get back into the United States through New York
-Returned to Detroit and his parents took him home
-End of any attempt to go to Rutgers University
-Talked to people that had been in the Navy
-They said they learned a lot
-Recruiter thought he'd be a good fit for the Navy
-If he made it through basic training he would be eligible for the academy
-In June 1938 only the Navy accepted new recruits
-Enlisted on November 9, 1938
(00:08:59) Basic Training
-Sent to Naval Station Newport, Rhode Island for basic training
-Used to doing hard work
-Felt the Navy had good food
-Almost felt like a vacation
-Enjoyed the Navy
-A lot of marching and discipline
-Learned to follow orders
-Had no problem adjusting to that
-Met men from all over the United States
-Men from larger cities were arrogant toward men from the country
-Lasted four months
-Worked on the historic ship USS Constellation
(00�:11:30) Service on the USS Salt Lake City
-Originally ordered to join the USS Cimarron
-Orders were canceled
-Ordered to go to the World's Fair in New York City
-Those orders were also canceled

�-Joined the USS Houston in Virginia and sailed to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
-Athletic competition held by the Atlantic Fleet in Guantanamo Bay
-Reassigned to the USS Salt Lake City (heavy cruiser)
-Given extra duties by one of the boatswains because Marshall was a Naval Academy candidate
-Later reassigned to the Salt Lake City's sickbay
-Enjoyed that duty
-Invited to go to the Naval Academy
-Enjoyed working in the sickbay and found medicine training
-Decided to decline the invitation to the Naval Academy
-Captain was furious, but understood
(00:16:16) Hospital Corps School
-Captain got him sent to Hospital Corps School in San Diego, California
-Went to Hospital Corps School in late 1939
-Four month course
-Concentrated course work
-Worked day and night
-Almost never got leave
-Finished the top of his class
-He was in charge of the other recruits
-Meant he got into trouble if another recruit made a mistake
-Which is why he didn't get leave that often
-Visited San Diego a few times and Tijuana once
-Goal was to complete Hospital Corps School and become a hospital apprentice
-After that he would become a pharmacist's mate
-Learned how to mix compounds and make drugs
-Taught first aid
-Worked in surgery, pharmacy, and X-ray in the hospital
(00:19:59) Training at Great Lakes Naval Station
-Sent to the hospital at Great Lakes Naval Station, Illinois for a short time
-Able to visit his family
-Served as a hospital apprentice
-Spent four or five months there
(00:20:32) Norfolk Naval Hospital
-Sent to the Norfolk Naval Hospital
-Became the senior corpsman in the urological ward
-Handled a lot of venereal disease cases
-No cure at the time for gonorrhea
-Only cure for syphilis took four years
-Worked with a new drug that caused kidney failure and killed 80 to 100 soldiers
-Primitive antibiotic
-Norfolk, Virginia was a Navy-friendly town
-People got along well with the Navy, because most of the people were affiliated with the Navy
(00:25:16) Serving at Great Lakes Naval Station
-Sent back to Great Lakes Naval Station to Building #7 to work in the dispensary
-Had a 1935 Ford that he used to drive home
-Gas cost only five cents a gallon
-Completed that assignment in March 1941
(00:26:42) Assignment to the USS Wakefield
-Sent to join the USS Wakefield in New York City

�-Troopship being used to transport Allied soldiers
-Secret assignment because the United States was still neutral
-Use of an American ship and an American crew violated American neutrality
-Practiced amphibious assaults with the Marines
(00:29:50) Voyage to Singapore Pt. 1
-Sailed out of New York City in early November 1941
-In August 1941 the British were trapped in North Africa and needed help
-Germans controlled the sea and air around Africa
-Made it impossible for British ships to reach the troops in North Africa
-President Roosevelt decided to help the British and fight the war by proxy
-Give the British transportation and supplies, and let them fight
-The USS New Mexico and other ships were sent to the United Kingdom
-Escorted British ships from the United Kingdom to Halifax, Canada
-USS Wakefield sailed to Halifax to meet the convoy of American and British ships
-British troops boarded the Wakefield in the middle of the night
-No newspapers, radios, letters, or cameras
-Maintain secrecy to maintain American “neutrality”
-Had a lot of contact with British soldiers
-Interesting to hear the variety of accents
-British were interested in hearing the American accents
-First stop was Capetown, South Africa
-Knew they probably weren't going home until the war ended
-Had eight American destroyers, USS Cimarron, and USS Ranger escort them part of the way
-Allowed to drop depth charges on U-Boats when they entered the Caribbean Sea
-There were 5,500 British soldiers on board
-Stopped in Trinidad
-British troops were shocked to get sugar, butter, and fresh fruit
-Hadn't gotten those things since the war began
-Sailed from Trinidad toward Capetown
-Most of the crewmen were “pollywogs” (men that had never crossed the Equator)
-Went through the King Neptune's Ceremony
-Getting paddled and had to kiss the “Royal Baby's bellybutton”
-”Royal Baby” was a black cook
-Angered the Southerners that had to participate in the ceremony
-Sailed to the Caribbean with the Ranger then sailed to Capetown without the aircraft carrier
-Still had cruisers and Marines to protect the convoy
-Passed the Equator and spotted the German submarine tender Python
-Knew U-Boats were in the area
-Had the HMS Dorsetshire, HMS Achilles, HMS Ajax, and HMS Exeter escorting the convoy
-HMS Dorsetshire sank the Python
-Never knew if it was technically an American or English convoy
(00:44:22) America's Entry into the War Pt. 1
-On December 5, 1941 he went into the radio shack and saw a lot of messages coming in
-Reported coordinates of two Japanese task forces
-One moving toward British Malaya (Malaysia) and the Philippines
-Knew something was going to happen
-On December 6, 1941 no new messages came in
-That night they were called to general quarters
-Captain announced Japan had bombed Pearl Harbor

�-Also said British Malaya, the Philippines, and Wake
-On December 8, 1941 the Japanese attacked Guam
-Later learned that on December 5, 1941 the U.S. had over 50 bombers at Clark Field, Philippines
-Japanese destroyed every one of those bombers on December 7
-USS Houston and USS Marblehead left Manila on December 5 and sailed to Borneo
-Out of reach of the Japanese offensive
-Pulled into Capetown, South Africa on December 8, 1941
-Germany and Italy declared war on the United States on December 11, 1941
-Meant President Roosevelt didn't have to convince Congress to declare war on them too
(00:52:18) Voyage to Singapore Pt. 2
-Went ashore in Capetown
-Set up a temporary office in the Capetown police department
-Jan Smuts, the Prime Minister of South Africa, came into the department
-Congratulated Marshall on the United States' entry into the war
-Didn't know who it was until after Jan left
-Allowed the British troops to go ashore in South Africa
(00:56:00) America's Entry into the War Pt. 2
-On December 5 the British heard radio chatter implying a Japanese attack on the U.S.
-Sent the information to Washington D.C., but received no response
-Mexico received similar information and tried to notify the United States
-Also ignored
-Patrol planes out of Alaska were grounded
-All American forces were ordered to stand down the week of December 7
(00:57:38) Voyage to Singapore Pt. 3
-Pulled out of Capetown along with British ships
-Arrived in Bombay, India in late December 1941
-Stayed for a week
-Able to go ashore
-Still no idea what their final destination was
-Sailed through the Sunda Strait between Java and Sumatra
-Heavily mined area
-Cut the mines loose and then blew them up
-Passed through the Bangka Strait
-Only had a few .50 caliber machine guns for defense and WWI-era helmets for protection
-High-altitude Japanese bombers attacked the convoy
-Japanese planes flying missions out of occupied Indochina
-Bomb hit the USS Wakefield
-Pulled into Singapore on January 29, 1942
-City was being bombed by the Japanese
-Japanese bombers hit the city every hour
-Only a few fighter planes and antiaircraft batteries to ward off the attackers
-Singapore eventually fell to the Japanese on February 15, 1942
(01:05:42) Bombing at Keppel Harbor
-Wakefield sailed to Keppel Harbor in Singapore on January 30
-Pulled 60 patients out of the sickbay and at 11 AM a bomb hit the ship and knocked him unconscious
-Destroyed almost all of the ship's medical equipment
-Woke up from being unconscious and was handed morphine syringes
-Told to give morphine shots to a man covered in third degree burns
-Gave the man 20 shots, he stopped screaming, and died

�-Looked at the man's dog tags, and it was his good friend Paul
(01�:11:43) Return Voyage to the United States
-Sailed from Singapore to Batavia, Java
-Dutch cruisers fought off the Japanese ships that followed the Wakefield
-USS Houston was in the Java Sea
-Lost at the Battle of Sunda Strait
-Sailed to Colombo, Ceylon (now Sri Lanka)
-First ship to pull into the harbor
-Civilians were selling star sapphires for $1 each
-He bought 20 or 30 of them, but lost them when he abandoned the Wakefield
-Left Ceylon and sailed back to Bombay, India and got the ship repaired
-Met an American dentist working in Bombay
-Told Marshall he could have half of the practice after the war if he wanted
-Always wonders what would have happened if he'd taken the offer
-Saw the diverse mix of religions in India
-Left Bombay and sailed back to Capetown
-Anxious to get back to the United States
-Sailed across the Atlantic Ocean
-Passed through the Equator and received destroyer escorts back to America
-Pulled into New York City on March 23, 1942 and greeted with ships saluting them with fire hoses
-Sent to Philadelphia for repairs
-Japanese said they sank the Wakefield
-Obviously not true
-Mother called the War Department to ask if it was true
-War Department said yes, the ship sank, and Marshall was probably dead
-When Marshall got back to the U.S. he called home
-Mother always had hope the ship hadn't sank and Marshall survived
-First group of troops back from the Pacific Theater
-Learned about the fall of Allied territories in early 1942
-Given 10 to 15 days of leave
-Told not to talk about his experiences for secrecy's sake
(01:25:19) Transportation of Marines to Guadalcanal
-Reported back to the USS Wakefield
-Sailed to New Zealand with the 1st Marines which were sent to invade Guadalcanal
-Sailed alone to New Zealand
-Marines were healthier than the British soldiers, but the British troops were equally good fighters
-British were a little more polite than the Marines, but Marines were also friendly
-New Zealanders were friendly and hospitable
(01:27:58) Convoy AT-18
-Sailed to England with a large convoy, AT-18, bound for Glasgow, Scotland
-First major movement of American troops to England for service in the European Theater
-Stopped in Belfast, Ireland
-Pulled into Glasgow
-A lot of Free French soldiers and Polish troops gathered there
-Stayed in the city and got bedbugs
(01:31:00) British Friend
-Befriended a British soldier, Morris Barnes, while en route to Singapore
-British soldier was captured at the fall of Singapore and made a prisoner of war
-Kept in touch with the soldier's wife throughout the war

�-Learned that the soldier died a week before Japan surrendered
(01:32:20) Fire on the USS Wakefield
-On the return voyage from Glasgow a fire alarm went off
-Went to his fire station and grabbed as many first aid kits as he could
-A fire broke out near the sickbay, but didn't know that
-Fire had spread throughout the ship
-Captain came to Marshall's fire station and told him to get off the ship before it sank
-He abandoned ship and got picked up by the destroyer USS Mayo
-Slept on the deck of the Mayo and used a first aid kit as a pillow
-Examined the first aid kit and found it was filled with narcotics
-Realized someone was trying to smuggle the drugs into the United States
-Reported his discovery to the captain of the Mayo
-Captain wanted nothing to do with it
-Made sure he held onto the first aid kit
-When he got back to the United States he was sent to Ellis Island for identification purposes
-All of his records were lost in the fire on the Wakefield
-Called a medical supply depot in Brooklyn to hand over the narcotics he'd found
-Believes someone started the fire on the ship
-Fire gutted the ship
-He lost all of his personal effects
-Got back to the United States in late September 1942
(01:40:55) Treatment of a General on the Wakefield
-First patient he treated on the Wakefield was the general of the British 18th Infantry Division
-Most likely Lt. General Arthur Percival, captured at the fall of Singapore
-General loved having an American dentist work on his teeth
-Invited Marshall to have a drink with the other British officers if he had time
-Unfortunately, he was too busy with medical work to take up the invitation
(01:42:27) Waiting in New York City
-After reporting to Ellis Island he was sent to Pier 92 with only the clothes on his back
-Finally got his records back
-Volunteered for a work detail and got to see the 1942 World Series
-Makeshift teams because all the major player were serving in the military
-Conducted patrols, but got to watch the game
(01:45:23) Commissioning the USS Arapaho (AT-68/ATF-68)
-Sent to Charleston, South Carolina to commission the USS Arapaho, a fleet ocean tug
-Arrived in Charleston around Thanksgiving 1942
-Ship was almost completed when he arrived
-Helped a Navy doctor in the naval yard
-Did a lot of the work
-Charleston was a segregated and racially tense city
-Black sailors were harassed
-Residents of Charleston didn't like sailors regardless of race
-Racist gangs tried to attack groups of black sailors returning to the naval yard
-White sailors stood by the black sailors and fought off the racists
-Strange for Marshall to witness
-USS Arapaho was commissioned on January 20, 1943
(01:48:36) Shakedown Cruise on the USS Arapaho
-Went to sea with a skeleton crew for the shakedown cruise
-German submarine fired two torpedoes at the Arapaho

�-Traveling light which meant they went underneath the bow; causing no damage
-Returned to port
-Captain Wootton had to be relieved of command because he couldn't handle the stress
(01:50:12) Duty on the USS Arapaho
-Got a new captain, C.B. Lee, with 30 years experience
-Helped train the new officers
-Got more of a crew and went out to sea for a couple days
-Had his own surgery, pharmacy, and office near the officers' quarters
-Worked on his own
-130-140 enlisted men and 8 or 9 officers
-Learned to disperse medical equipment rather than keep it in one spot like on the Wakefield
-Inspected fresh food and food products coming onto the Arapaho
-Cleaned fruits and vegetables from local sources
-Kept track of canned food and dried food so it didn't spoil
-In the Pacific Ocean temperatures on the ship reached 120 degrees
-Slept on the deck when he could to escape the heat
(01:55:10) Voyage to Casablanca-USS Arapaho
-Sailed from Charleston to Key West, Florida to the submarine base there
-Vice President Truman frequently visited Key West, but Marshall never met him
-Ordered to sail to North Africa on March 19, 1943
-En route to North Africa they ran into a hurricane and had to stop in Bermuda
-One of the ship's in the convoy had been left behind and the Arapaho went to recover it
-Towed the ship back to Bermuda, only to learn it wasn't one of the convoy's ships
-Happy coincidence for the ship stuck in the hurricane
-Sailed from Bermuda to the Mediterranean Sea
-Almost got sunk by a British torpedo plane
-Stopped in Gibraltar
-Italian divers tried to mine ships in the harbor
-Used depth charges to kill and ward off the Italian frogmen (combat divers)
-Pulled into Casablanca, Morocco to collect the USS Almaack (AKA-10)
-While waiting for the ship he went ashore and tried to communicate with the French locals
-The French laughed at him, not to be mean, but because his French was so proper
-Towed the USS Almaack back to the United States
-Sailed alone
-Never attacked by U-Boats, but they were still a constant threat

End of Part 1
Part 2 1 hour 50 minutes 27 seconds
(00:00:16) Return to the United States from Casablanca
-Returned to the United States after 15 days at sea
-No change in clothing or showers during the return voyage
(00:01:03) Operating around Funafuti
-Sailed through the Panama Canal
-Pulled into San Diego, California on July 15, 1943 to pick up a barge to tow to Pearl Harbor
-Had escorts
-Hauled ammunition barges around Funafuti

�-Hundreds of pounds of bombs
-Sometimes barges broke loose during rough weather
-Men were injured by steel cables breaking
-Japanese bombed the islands at night and out of reach of the antiaircraft guns
-Sailed between the Ellice and Gilbert Islands
-Japanese bombers targeted the runways on the islands and the aircraft on the runways
-Not allowed to interact with the natives
-Didn't spend much time ashore anyway
-Whenever they got beer they shared it with the fighter pilots
-In return, the pilots brought it up with them because it got chilled at the high altitudes
(00:06:15) Pacific Theater Battles
-Participated in the battles of Eniwetok, Kwajalein, and Makin
-Assisted Carlson's Raiders (Marine Raiders) during a raid
-Five of the men got left behind and were executed by the Japanese commanding officer
-Arapaho served as a lookout ship before the raid
-Got to the island a day early and had to wait until night to move in at the planned time
-Japanese officer was captured and hanged at the end of the war
(00:08:22) Battle of Tarawa Pt. 1
-Served as a chief pharmacist's mate during the Battle of Tarawa
-November 20, 1943 through November 23, 1943
-Island was heavily defended
-Fleet of 150 American ships poised to attack the island
-17 aircraft carriers
-12 battleships
-Eight heavy cruisers
-Four light cruisers
-66 destroyers
-36 transport ships
-Arapaho was part of the ancillary fleet supporting the invasion
-Prior to the invasion he saw Japanese bombers approaching the Arapaho
-Reported his sighting to the bridge, but was ignored
-Went back down into the ship and put on his “lucky dungarees”
-Told the men around him to expect trouble
-Returned to the deck and went to the 20mm antiaircraft cannon
-Japanese bombers buzzed the ship and dropped depth charges to no effect
-Wished he knew better how to use the cannon
-They were gone before he got a shot off
-Captain never apologized for doubting Marshall
-Tarawa was only 800 yards across and about a square mile of actual fighting area
-Misjudged the tide at the time of the invasion
-Sent landing craft in while the tide was still out
-Arapaho was at the point between Red Beach 2 and Red Beach 3
-Remembers that it was a massacre when the first wave went ashore
-Navy bombarded the island before the invasion
-Chased the Japanese across the island with a rolling bombardment
-Japanese had constructed a concrete wall that not even the battleships could break
-Japanese reacted quickly and set up machine guns on a concrete pier that extended off the shore
-Marines attacking Red Beach 2 had to wade through debris while being shot at
-Marines on the second wave knew what happened to the first wave

�-Marines on the first wave either drowned or were killed by the machine guns
-Only three men survived the first wave
-Took a lot of casualties over the course of the invasion
-Note: 1,696 men killed and 2,101 wounded in only three days
-Had 15 gallons of grain alcohol
-Distributed it among the Marines to try and raise their spirits before they invaded
-Marines needed medics to go ashore to treat the wounded
-He volunteered
-He went ashore at Red Beach 3
-50 yards from the command post
-Landscape was unbelievable
-Found over a dozen dead Japanese soldiers with no apparent wounds
-Most likely killed by the concussion from the artillery
-Saw a Landing Ship, Tank (LST) being used as a Navy field hospital
-Remembers one doctor having a nervous breakdown
-Marshall went up to the doctor and put his arm around him
-In retrospect, he feels he should have slapped the doctor
-Not to be mean, but to get the man back to reality
-He was suffering from “hysterical convulsions”
-You start to believe in an alternate reality to escape trauma
(00:27:15) Hysterical Convulsion
-Taught to never give a sedative to a man experiencing hysterical convulsions
-Near Makin he remembers the gun crews firing tracers at Japanese torpedo bombers
-At night the tracers looked like they were coming at the gun crew and not away from them
-Remembers one gun crewman believing he'd been hit by one of the rounds
-Marshall was called to the gun crew to treat the wounded sailor
-Saw the man had no apparent wounds and was having hysterical convulsions
-Had to start slapping the man to get him out of the episode
-Couldn't give him a sedative until he pulled out of the episode
-Once the man was back to reality he could safely give him a sedative
(00:32:12) Treating Burns
-Most common wound at the start of the war was flash burns caused by bombs exploding
-Originally used boric acid to treat burns
-Found out that in large doses it was toxic
-Moved on to using sulfa
-Realized it was also toxic
-At the end of the war used sugar water and wet dressings to treat burns
-Successful and nontoxic
(00:34:01) Battle of Tarawa Pt. 2
-On the fourth day at Tarawa the Arapaho towed a destroyer off the beach
-All of the other ships had left Tarawa
-Arapaho was the only ship left at the island
-Had to account for nearly 5,000 Japanese corpses
-Beaches were filled with decaying bodies
-President Roosevelt finally allowed for pictures to be taken of the aftermath of the battle
-Believed the American people needed to get used to seeing the cost of war
-On the fifth day none of the bodies had been buried
-Clouds of flies buzzed over the bodies of the dead
-Had to use bulldozers to cover the bodies and create mass and unmarked graves

�-As of 2015 efforts are finally being made to find the exact location of the bodies
(00:38:44) Battles of the Northern Marianas Islands
-Participated in the liberation of Guam, Saipan, and Tinian
-Had a lot of new firefighting seamen on board
-Majority of the men had received courts-martial
-Given two choices: jail or hazardous duty
-Some of the finest men he ever served with
(00:41:05) Battle of Kwajalein
-Participated in the battle of Kwajalein
-January 31, 1944 to February 3, 1944
-Known as “Execution Island”
-Found a couple British prisoners of war
-Had been tied to poles on the Japanese airfield to deter American attacks on the airfield
-Survived the bombardment of the island and the subsequent battle
-He brought them back to the Arapaho and gave them showers and new clothes
-To show their appreciation they gave Marshall a handcrafted grass token
-Their only possession and they wanted him to have it
-Took a lot of casualties at Kwajalein, but not nearly as bad as Tarawa
-142 killed and 845 wounded at Kwajalein as opposed to the nearly 4,000 casualties at Tarawa
-Battle of Tarawa is considered one of the bloodiest battles of the Pacific Theater
(00:46:40) Duties in the Pacific Theater
-Towed an aircraft carrier to Pearl Harbor
-Escorted the aircraft carrier USS Makin
-Arapaho had depth charges and a three inch gun for defense
-Steamed in the wake of the Makin
-Easier travel in rough weather
-When in harbors they towed ships to various places
(00:48:20) Ulithi
-Got to the island of Ulithi in late summer/early fall 1944
-Could have put the entire Pacific Fleet at Ulithi
-Idea was to use Ulithi as the eventual staging area for the invasion of Japan
-Still within reach of Japanese planes and submarines
-Japanese used suicide torpedoes called kaiten
-One was used to sink the USS Mississinewa on November 20, 1944 at Ulithi
-Filled out four death reports for four of the men found in the water
-Found one body with the head sheered off
-Later found out it was the Japanese pilot of the torpedo
-Buried with dignity
-Between November 4 and 10, 1944 they helped the USS Zuni tow the USS Reno to Ulithi
-The Reno was the sister ship of the USS Juneau and had been torpedoed on November 3
-Arapaho left Ulithi and joined a task force
(00:54:14) Mutiny on the Arapaho and Problems with the Captain
-Remembers being called to the bridge where a group of officers were waiting
-One of the officers, Alexander Turak, asked Marshall what he thought of the captain
-Captain was drunk and had a severe drinking problem
-Marshall invoked Article 184, citing the captain was mentally unfit to command the ship
-Able to order the captain off the bridge because he was drunk
-Kept the captain in his room for three or four days until they reached Ulithi
-Once they reached Ulithi Marshall let the captain out of his room

�-Prior to the mutiny, the captain referred to Mr. Turak as “Jew Boy” and “Christ Killer”
-Note: Mr. Turak was a Jewish officer
-Turak told the captain he'd turn him over to his superiors if he endangered the ship and its crew again
-In retaliation, the captain made sure Turak had bad jobs on the ship
-Marshall wanted to get off the Arapaho, but couldn't leave until his replacement came aboard
-Had to wait until November 24, 1944
-Captain never directed any animosity toward Marshall
-The novel, The Caine Mutiny, was written after the war and based on the incident on the Arapaho
-Prior to the mutiny, the captain issues courts-martial for two sailors for allegedly stealing peaches
-Captain claimed the men were going into the storeroom and taking peaches
-Ruling came back 'not guilty'
-One reason was the men were allotted a ration of peaches
-So the men charged with stealing were only getting their ration on their own
-Other reason is technically they were breaking and entering, not stealing
-Marshall kept a bottle of medicinal brandy on board
-Gave a shot to the divers to calm their nerves after they completed a dive
-Captain decided he wanted the bottle of brandy, and naturally, Marshall couldn't do that
-Captain ordered Marshall to get a second bottle of brandy so he could have a bottle
-Marshall complied only because he feared arbitrary punishment from the captain
(01:08:22) Aiding Civilians
-Helped a young man, named Jesus Cruz, who was from Guam, go ashore to visit his village
-Came from a troubled family life
-Regrets letting him go ashore
(01��:10:11) Medical Duties
-At one point met up with the doctor from the USS Wakefield
-Met on the doctor's new ship, USS Cascade
-Talked about his service on the USS Arapaho
-Told him about how he had had to euthanize his best friend at Keppel Harbor
-Asked the doctor what his extent of liability was as a medical officer on a ship
-Meaning, how much leeway was he given if he made a mistake
-Doctor told him there was no extent of liability given the circumstances
-Basically, do the best you can with the skill and resources available to you
-Whenever they participated in an invasion Marshall would treat wounded ground troops
(01:14:10) Postwar Trauma Pt. 1
-The war was difficult, but dealing with the effects of the war was more difficult
-Can't explain to his sons what he experienced during the war
-Still wakes up in the middle of the night, haunted by the memories of the war
(01:15:12) Transfer to USS Enterprise (CV-6)
-Marshall was relieved from the USS Arapaho on November 24, 1944 when his replacement arrived
-Captain thanked him for his service, but was happy to have Marshall off the ship
-With Marshall gone the captain could deal with Mr. Turak without Marshall's interference
-Transferred to the USS Enterprise
-Worked in the aircraft carrier's air-conditioned sickbay
-Would go up on the flight deck to watch planes take off for missions
-Offered the chance to go on a training flight over the islands of Truk and Yap
-Initially accepted the offer, but then decided not to go on the flight
-Knew he was close to getting home and didn't want to get killed
(01:18:07) Flying
-After the war he went on a flight with a civilian pilot

�-Flew over Lake Michigan
-When they landed the pilot confessed that he'd forgotten to take the blocks off the plane
-Meant the pilot had very little control of the plane
-Took flying lessons and got his pilot's license
-Stopped flying after a flight during the winter
(01:19:56) Service at Brooklyn Naval Hospital
-After returning to the United States he was assigned to the Brooklyn Naval Hospital
-Boss was John McCormick
-Had great duty at the naval hospital
-Largely because he'd served under McCormick at Great Lakes Naval Station
-Had a good relationship with him while at Great Lakes
(01:21:30) Service with John McCormick
-At the Great Lakes Naval Station dispensary there were a lot of reserve officers
-One officer came from Michigan
-Prior to the war they went to the University of Michigan
-Conducted physicals for the Navy's college training programs
-Marshall helped process the lab work for potential recruits
-Officer from Michigan pulled out half a dozen urine samples before they were processed
-Said they weren't fit for service
-Marshall discovered those samples were from Jewish men
-From the University of Michigan they went to Northwestern University
-Officer pulled out Jewish urine samples again
-After that Marshall reported the officer's behavior to John McCormick
-After the war he was working in medical supply and ran into the anti-Semitic officer
-Learned that McCormick had called out the officer after Marshall joined the USS Wakefield
-John served as Marshall's mentor
-While at the Brooklyn Naval Hospital John told Marshall that he felt Marshall deserved better duty
-Three or four weeks later John received orders for Hunter College in Bronx
-Training station for thousands of WAVES (women in the Naval Reserve)
-He'd be one of only about a dozen men at the college
(01:29:18) Service at Hunter College
-Commander's name was Helen Jacobs
-In charge of medical inventory at Hunter College
-Discovered the college was missing medical equipment
-The doctors at Hunter College had their own private practices on the side
-They were most likely taking medical equipment for their own practices
-Alerted the Brooklyn Medical Supply Depot
-War was nearing its end
-Offered a commission if he helped with medical inventory in the Pacific Theater
-Knew it would be stressful and exhausting work to inventory equipment
-Declined the offer for that reason and because he wanted to go home
-Had 150 women under his command at Hunter College
-Learned that he had to communicate with women differently than men
-And older woman mentored Marshall at Hunter College
-Remembers going on a date with a former Women's Army Corps volunteer
-While at dinner he received a call from the older woman mentoring him
-Told him the girl he was on a date with was pregnant, so be careful
-He was the only male chief at Hunter College
-Whenever he walked in the dining hall all of the women watched him walk to the officer's hall

�-Couldn't yell at the women like he yelled at men
(01:38:00) Life after the War
-Note: Discharged from the Navy on October 8, 1945
-After he got out of the Navy he returned to Michigan, met his wife, and got married
-Had three sons
-Attended the University of Michigan
-Had a hard time adjusting
-Wanted to go to medical school, but still had to do pre-med school
-Already 25 years old
-Didn't want to take four years to go through pre-med school
-Had forgotten how to study
(01:39:42) Postwar Trauma Pt. 2
-Knew he had psychological trauma from the war
-Tried to go to the VA Hospital for treatment shortly after he returned to civilian life
-No help
-Doctors were treating patients and also, essentially, running the hospital
-More concerned with maintaining their position than treating patients
-Negative environment
-Doctors were suspicious of new patients
-Difficult to get into the hospital for treatment
-Learned later the better option was to just go to a public hospital for treatment
-More convenient for him now
-Hardest part of the war was not the war itself, but living with the memories of the war
-One of his sons and daughter-in-law lives across the street and help him
-Never got a chance to talk about his experiences until recently
-Being a part of a group of veterans in St. Joseph, Michigan has been helpful
Part 2 ends at 01:47:46

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Veterans History Project Interview
Daniel Doane
U.S. Army
Length of interview (8:16)
(1:50) early life and service
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(1:00) Born on June 29, 1926. Served in the army
Before he entered the service he went to George Davis Technical High School, graduated
in 1944
(3:15) He went to college on the G.I. Bill, graduated in 1952
(3:30) he had three siblings in the navy, one was a quarter master on a LST
(4:23) He tried joining the navy, air force, and marines but was turned away because of
bad vision
(4:40) signed up for a chemistry course at Grand Rapids Junior College but on the first
day of class he was in Detroit joining the army (September 1945)
(5:00) after spending a few weeks in Fort Sheridan, he was sent to Texas and then
Mississippi, he was very homesick. Mississippi was much better than Texas because
there were more trees
(7:20) Daniel was eventually sent to Chitose Air Base in Japan, most of the base was
under-ground

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Veterans History Project Interview
World War II
Edward Dochod
53:46
Introduction (00:18)
We’re talking today with Mr. Edward Dochod of Grand Rapids, Michigan, and the
interviewer is James Smither of the Grand Valley State University Veterans History
Project. Now, Mr. Dochod, can you start with some background on yourself, and to begin
with where and when were you born?
Grand Rapids, Michigan. January 1st, 1919.
Very good, now did you grow up in Grand Rapids?
Yes I did.
All right, and did you finish high school?
No, I went through 11th grade.
Okay, and then, why did you leave school then?
Well, I wanted to go to work.
Now, what did your family do for a living when you were a kid?
My dad was in furniture, all his life. And I had a couple of brothers that were caretakers of
bowling alleys, and I had a sister, she did babysitting.
Did your dad keep his job during the depression?
No, he was laid off during the depression. But he always found an odd job to pick up a few
bucks and that.
When you went to work what kind of job did you get?
Oh, I got in a factory the first time, at the Grand Rapids Plating Company. Then I got in with the
Hoover Vacuum Cleaning machine outfit and then I went to McEnerny Spring and Wire,
Dowler-Jarvis, American Seating, then I started maintenance work at one catholic school. Then
I ended my maintenance work at Saint Ann‟s Home on Leonard Street. I worked there twenty
years; I retired from there last November twenty five years ago.

�All right, so that’s your full career. Now, before you went into the Army, what jobs were
you in then, the very first jobs? (2:19)
That was the last one I worked at, McEnerny's Spring and Wire, then I went into service.
Do you remember hearing about Pearl Harbor?
No, I just remember what I read in the papers, the bombing of Pearl Harbor and that.
After that happened, did you think about enlisting?
No, I didn‟t think of enlisting.
Were you married at that time?
Yes I was.
Did you have any children yet, or on the way?
Yes, I had three of them.
Ok, so you had things to do at home.
Oh yeah.
When did you receive your draft notice?
Oh, it was sometime in January of 42‟.
After you got the draft notice, what did you do?
I kept working at McEnerny‟s until about three weeks, then I said that‟s enough, I‟m taking a
vacation before I go into the Army.
And then where did you go first for the Army?
Fort Custer, Michigan.
Now was that just processing there?
That was just first entry, then I went to South Carolina, Fort Jackson. I had my basic training
there. From there I went to Fort Devens, Massachusetts and I was assigned to the division and
that, to the 45th Division. (4:27)
Ok, let’s back up a little bit to Fort Jackson, how did they get you from Fort Custer to Fort
Jackson?

�They took me down there by bus.
A bus? All the way from Michigan to South Carolina?
Yeah
So, not a train?
Oh yeah, we went on a train too.
Had you made long train trips before that?
No.
Had you been very far outside Michigan before that?
Well, I was the furthest I was away from Michigan was at that camp in North Carolina.
So, what was basic training like?
Basic training was all infantry, different guns and weapons that we used in the infantry and that.
Rifle range, pistol range, bayonet course, and how to give emergency first aid into battle, when
you‟re in battle if you can‟t get in touch with the aid.
Did they have a lot of emphasis on discipline?
Oh yeah.
How easy was it for you to adjust to life in the Army? (6:04)
It took quite a while after I got through with basic training. There was people with the training
academy that thought they were generals, but when we got through with basic training, we seen
some of those corporals and that and you can kiss my butt now, I‟m done with you guys. They
acted like generals, but that was their job.
Now, when you were at Fort Jackson, do you know where the other men were from, the
men you were training with?
Oh, I met a lot of men from all over the country; from many different states.
And did you ever get off the base at Fort Jackson, did you go any place else?
Oh went out to town, when we had a weekend pass.
And then, did you notice the racial segregation there?

�Did I what?
Well, you know, that was the south and the south was segregated in those days. Did you
notice that?
Well, I noticed it some, yeah.
And did you know it was going to be like that?
Yes and No.
Because it’s a little different from how they did things here.
Oh, I guess so.
How long was basic training?
Thirty two weeks.
So, for over half a year?
Now it‟s cut down to practically, so many weeks.
Right, two or three months. So your in Fort Jackson for a long time, and then after that?
After our basic training at Fort Jackson, we went to Fort Devens.
So, some of your training was at Fort Devens, it wasn’t just at Fort Jackson, ok. When
you’re at Fort Devens, is that near Boston? (8:08)
Boston, yeah.
So did you get a little bit more time to go into town?
Oh yeah, we got our weekend passes and that to go to town. And now and then we would get a
furlough to go home for a week and come back.
So you got to see your family before you went overseas.
Yeah.
What Division were you a part of?

�I was always with the 45th Division, then when I went to the discharge camps, I was assigned
with the 103rd Division, because that division was going home; Being deported back to the
United States, ahead of the 45th Division. They took the high pertinent first.
And you had been in so early, and you had been a combat infantryman all that time, you
had a lot of points. The 45th Division, was that a National Guard Division?
That‟s an old National Guard unit from Fort Sill, Oklahoma.
That’s what I thought. My father-in-law was in that, a little later. So you had a bunch of
older guys who were guardsmen or men who had been in the unit already?
Oh yeah, a lot of the older men, they got discharged on account of their age.
So, most of the Division was sort of new men who were added to it?
Well, mostly new men.
So, there were some guys who were actually from Oklahoma and then you had all the extra
guys from everywhere else.
Yeah, that‟s true.
Alright, now when did you ship out?
Ship out, it was July 10, 1943.
And what kind of ship did they put you on? (10:12)
Well, it was a transfer from a civilian ship to a military boat, I can‟t think of the name of the
ship.
But when you crossed the Atlantic, were you on the civilian ship or on the military?
No, we were on the military.
And, about how many men do you think were on the boat with you?
Well, a whole division, they were big boats.
So, several thousand men probably.
They were transferred from civilian ships into military boats.
So, converted ocean liners.

�Yeah.
Ok, those could hold thousands of men, all right. Did you sail in a convoy?
Yeah, in a convoy.
And, what was the weather like when you went across?
Oh, pretty rough before the invasion. We thought they were going to call the invasion off, but
we went through it.
Now, the invasion then was the Sicily landings in July of 43’ and Salerno is in September.
When you crossed the Atlantic, what was the first stop you made?
First stop we made was Sicily.
You didn’t stop in North Africa first?
Yeah, we stopped at first in North Africa for a few days. Then from there we had our combat
assignments and went for the invasion of Sicily.
Now when you went across, were there already Americans ashore when you landed in
Sicily?
No.
So you were making a beach landing? (12:04)
We were making all beach landings.
Can you describe a little bit what that’s like? They load you up on…
It was hell, we were being bombed and strafed and machine gun fire, they had barbed wire
entanglements, we had to put them bangalore torpedoes to blow them barbed wire entanglements
out of the way so we could get on land.
Ok, now how much training did you have for a beach invasion, had you ever practiced one
before?
No.
Did they put you in the small landing craft to go up to the beach?
Oh yeah, they put them in landing invasion boats, they hit the shore and when you hit the shore
they opened that flap door and there you went.

�How did you get in the landing boat? You're in a bigger transport ship, how do you get in
the landing craft?
We went down on cargo nets, they had a big rope cargo net on the side of the ship and we went
down like monkeys into the invasion boats.
How much gear did you carry when you made that landing?
We had all our equipment, we had packs on our back and our ammunition and everything, we
were packed down like a camel.
Did guys have problems getting into the landing boat?
Oh no, a lot of the landing boats were shot and sunk from bombs and that, and we kept going
through that fire and we were getting artillery fire from the beach.
And do you know which beach you landed at or what town you were near? (14:09)
No, I don‟t know. They had names for the beaches but I don‟t remember their names.
Ok, well we can look that up, and when we put it on the internet we’ll note all that. So, you
land then on shore and you use bangalore torpedoes to blow through the wire, and once
you got through the wire, then what?
Then we moved forward, to go after one town after another town.
Right near the beach, once you got through the wire were there a lot of Germans or did
they get away?
Oh, I guess so. The shore was full of Germans protecting their shoreline, we had machine gun
fire, artillery fire, mortar fire, bomb fire, strafing of enemy planes.
So how did you get rid of them?
Well, our outfits did their best of shooting them out of the sky, and us infantryman did the best of
killing them all I mean.
So then you break through the beach defenses then, and were the Germans
counterattacking in those first days?
Oh, they tried a counterattack, but we always knocked off the counterattack. Then we went
forward and took our objective and that.
Right, so when they counterattacked you, did they have tanks?
Oh yeah, they had everything but the kitchen sink.

�Now, your infantry unit, what could you do about a German tank?
Well, we did the best we could.
Did you get air support or naval guns?
Oh yeah, we had naval support and air support, but then the enemy was shooting at them and that
too, you know.
Now, were you fighting pretty constantly then in Sicily, or did you get any breaks?
No, we just kept on moving. One objective after the other. No much stopping either or no relief,
you just kept going. No stopping and helping your wounded buddy, just move, move.
What kind of casualties was your company taking? (16:42)
From machine gun fire and air strafing from the air force and that, the bombing and mortar
shells, everything but the kitchen sink. I‟m surprised we didn‟t get the sink thrown at us.
Now, out of your original platoon or your company, how many of the men were still with
you at the end of that campaign?
Oh, not very many. We got a lot of replacements.
Were you just a rifleman that whole time?
Yup.
Did you become a squad leader or anything like that?
No, towards the end I was in a squad but I was like second in command of each squad I mean.
So, you still had some sergeants and things like that?
Oh yeah.
As your moving across Sicily, what do you remember about the country, what sort of land
was it?
Oh, it was mostly blown up country, but some of the little cities we passed through were really
nice. The villagers would go out to see that they were liberated from the Germans and they
waved the American flags you know. They come out into the street and brought us flowers, and
girls coming out to us, they were so glad to see us.
Alright, did you go all the way up to the tip of Sicily? (18:38)

�After each objective, we got, sort of, a few days of rest, then we trained for more goings on
forward what our objective would be.
Were a lot of the Germans in caves or in the sides of mountains?
Oh yeah, they had their dug outs and everything hidden, all well camouflaged, or in buildings
and that, we were a perfect target for them.
Does an infantry company carry any sort of heavier weapons, did you have bazookas or
flame throwers?
We had heavy field artillery behind us, we had tank support, air support, but if the weather was
bad, we didn‟t get much air support. But when it cleared up, here they came. And we saw big
bombers in the air and we said, “Hey, go give em‟ hell and that”.
Alright, so now, about how long do you think the campaign in Sicily was? Was it about a
month or a month and a half?
Oh, all of that.
Do you get much of a break before you land in Italy? (20:10)
Not much, we got maybe a couple of days, and back up the front.
So now you have to make another landing.
We get through with one, then we practiced for more amphibious landings. Dry runs we called
them.
So now you’re getting training after you’ve already done it once.
Yeah.
Where did you land in Italy?
We landed in near Naples.
Now, the area where you landed, was there a lot of opposition there?
Not too much.
Salerno was bad but Naples was not as bad.
Anzio Beach was the worst.

�Oh yeah, and that’s later. So, you land near Naples, so this time you’re not being shot at a
lot, were there still some Germans around?
Still some Germans around.
And then, after you landed, then what did you do?
We kept on moving forward, we kept on moving forward for so many days, then you would get a
couple days off then back again, forward, forward.
Ok, now eventually those movements kind of stall don’t they? You get stuck someplace?
Oh yeah, we got held back quite a few times.
Was that at Cassino or in that area?
Cassino was really a bad place; we couldn‟t get to that monastery on the mountain there. The
Germans were just like in a lighthouse, looking down our rifle barrels.
Did your division fight at Cassino or in a different place in the line?
After we got, they were sent to the Pacific after we were sent home.
That’s much later. What we’re doing here is following your division through its campaign.
Now, you’re getting in to the end of 1943, and the Germans are holding the Cassino line,
their going to hold that all winter, and we don’t really move, ok, were you fighting along
that line for a while? (22:46)
Oh yeah.
And physically, can you describe the conditions there?
It was hell on earth. We were wondering if we were ever going to get out of there alive. But,
finally the Air Force came through and our long range artillery got through ok, and blasted the
hell out of that monastery.
That will come later after the Anzio invasion. What was the weather like at the end of 43’?
Miserable. Rain, rain, rain. We dug our foxholes and like laying a swimming pool, I mean.
Did you cross the rivers to attack, like that Volturno?
Oh yeah, we had to go in boats across the Volturno and that, oh yeah.
What kind of boat would you use?

�We used them, we had a name for them boats and that.
Were they metal boats that you put together or rubber rafts or what were they?
It was sort of a boat put together, I mean. And the Remagen Bridge was really a tough battle.
Again, that’s later.
Before we knocked it out.
You mentioned at a certain point your division gets pulled out of the Cassino front, because
you go to Anzio.
Yeah.
Now, was your division going into Anzio right at the start? Were you part of the invasion?
(24:36)
We were the main force of the invasion, when we landed in Anzio. There was other divisions on
our flanks, but we were the main division.
Right, one corps landed, the 3rd Division, 36th Division and you guys. Ok, and you're right
in the middle. Can you describe the Anzio landing, what was that like?
Oh, that was, we were stuck on the beach there for three days, because the Air Force couldn‟t get
through and that. Then after that, we had many, many casualties, we thought we were going to
get blown off that landing, but after three days, our Air Force got through and opened up some
room for us to go forward and that. Dead, laying dead all over the place.
When you first landed, like on the very first day, were there a lot of Germans yet?
I don‟t know where all them Germans came from, but that beachhead was full of Germans.
Cause some of the reports say there weren’t too many there right away, but then they all
came and attacked you.
Well yeah.
Alright, you’re stuck, you get a little bit more room, and then basically do you just dig in
and hang on, or are you attacking a lot or defending?
We were defending then we attack. Defending then we attack. Get reorganized, push again.
There were also some British forces there; did you see much of them? (26:29)
Oh yeah, we had some British forces with us and that too.

�And did you see much of them?
No, but we, they had funny humor, we met some of them and they joked with us. They were
laughing their heads off, us G.I.‟s and we said „what the hell is so funny‟ and that.
I think that still happens.
Yeah, yeah.
And you’re stuck in Anzio for a long time, right, for months before you get out. Was there
a point in Anzio where it got easier or at least felt like you were winning? Was there a
turning point anywhere?
Well, I think they were all good points after we start to move and go and that. We felt that we
were starting to win.
Now, did you get tank support, did you get armor coming in to help?
Oh yeah, and then when we attacked we always had that armor help, and field artillery help, a lot
of them wouldn‟t get the right range before the observer could raise the artillery fire, landed on
our troops and that.
Now, the Germans had some really big guns?
Oh, we used to call her the Anzio Express, we could hear that thing, that thing shot for a good
forty miles I think. It was a big railroad gun. And when they knocked it out we come by there
and theirs your Anzio Express over there all blown to hell and that.
Did that gun mostly fire at the port, or did you get those shells landing on your lines?
(28:32)
Well, we got them on top of us too. We could hear our big shells, would give us such close
support we thought they were going land right on us, but they landed right in front of us.
Once you finally break out from Anzio, were there still very many guys left that you
trained with or was everybody else a replacement?
Well, most of the old timers were gone and we met a lot of new replacements that come in. Then
from Anzio we moved forward until we come to Rome. Well, Rome was an open city, so we
relaxed there in Rome, trained for more targets and that, in Italy and that.
But then not too long after that, you start preparing for the next invasion?
They were there. We thought we knocked them all out, but hell no.

�So, there were still more Germans in Italy to fight first.
Lot of Germans that surrendered were glad that they surrendered, I mean.
So you saw some of the German prisoners in Italy then?
Oh yeah.
What did they look like to you?
They smelled.
Were they regular military age?
Yeah, just like us.
Now, at a certain point then, because in August your division lands in southern France?
(30:31)
Yeah.
How much of a break did you get before you made that landing?
We had a couple of weeks. To relieve the pressure off the Normandy landing and you know, we
didn‟t meet much force, but the second day we were there, they sent in a bunch of Germans.
So they didn’t fight you right on the beach so much, they were in the hills.
And you know, we noticed we were barely inside that beach and we seen G.I.‟s having sex with
gals already.
So the French were very happy to see you.
Oh yes.
But, pretty soon it’s back to business. Do you remember what town you landed near?
It was early morning, but I can‟t remember the name of the towns.
You run into some Germans in the interior, but do you move pretty quickly though?
Oh yeah, we started reaching our objective a lot more faster, cause they were losing more and
more Germans I mean.
Did they have as many tanks and aircraft as they had before?

�They had just as much stuff as we had, but a lot of it was slowly knocked out, knocked out.
And once you knocked them out they couldn’t replace them?
They couldn‟t replace them fast enough because their factories were being bombed.
And their rail lines too. (32:29)
Yeah, that‟s right.
So now, do you go into Marseille the big city or did you just go up the valley north, up the
Rhone River Valley?
No, we went up into the valley and I ended up, where you going get sent back to the states, we
went to Marseille.
So you did that on the way back, but not on the way in.
Yeah, on the way back.
As you’re working your way up north into France, was there as much battle damage as
there was in Italy?
Oh, there was a lot of damage, and a lot of towns were evacuated. We found little kids coming
to us, we would give them our k-rations, they were so glad to see us and that you know.
And then, did you get stuck or did you slow down eventually? Because you’re going up
north, you get up closer to Germany.
Oh yeah, we got stuck, slowing down and that. And we liberated the Dachau concentration
camp that was just outside Munich, Germany, and our final stop was Munich, Germany. We
took control of Munich; we had our military headquarters set in a Munich City Hall
To go back before that, go back into France again, you kind of get up into northeast
France, and that’s kind of where you’ll be in the fall of 1944.
Yeah.
Now, were you still trying to clear out those last parts of France then, and before the Battle
of the Bulge you’re still in France?
I was still in a part of France.
Was the German resistance tougher at that point? (34:40)

�No, it started weakening. We were feeling, boy maybe the end was coming. Then we reached
Rome and that, oh we were so glad, we were in the rest area for quite a while. Then they took us
to town to the Rome Opera House where they showed us the American version stage show,
“This is the Army”.
So, you got some breaks.
Beautiful opera house, those ushers wore them stockings with short pants just like in George
Washington days.
Alright, now, you get into the end of 1944, what was the winter like? The winter 1944-45,
was that a cold winter?
Oh yeah. Especially when we left Germany, I would have come up to Germany to the Vachies
woods and that. That was awful cold country through there, it was hell all the way, I can say.
Cause that’s where you have to go through part of the Siegfried line, the German
fortifications along their border? (36:19)
What?
Did the Germans have a lot of fortifications along their border, the Siegfried line?
Oh yeah, lots and lots of fortifications. But they were very weak. They had, oh, I forgot those
German names of the lines and that. But all their lines got weaker and weaker as we kept
advancing and that.
Did you cross the Rhine River at Remagen or someplace else?
Rhine River.
Yeah, where did you cross the Rhine. Was it Remagen or somewhere else?
Right near the Remagen bridge.
And could you see the bridge when you were crossing?
Oh yeah.
Did you go over in boats?
Yup.
Were those the same kind of boats or were they bigger boats?
No, same kind of boats and that.

�And when you were crossing, were the Germans shooting at you?
Oh, still there oh yeah.
Now, once you kind of got across the Rhine and your getting into Germany, did the country
look different from France or Italy?
No, but it was getting more peaceful, I mean the war. Cause it was coming near the end for
Germany.
Were you capturing a lot of prisoners then?
Oh man, they were giving up by the hundreds. They were glad to surrender.
Were their some who kept fighting though?
Oh yeah.
Could you tell the difference between the SS and the regular guys?
No, no, no. Yeah, but we could tell they were sort of rookies cause they didn‟t know how to go
about it I mean. Where you take the veteran soldier, he knows how to.
Were they using a lot of very young soldiers now? Did they have teenage boys? (38:14)
They were using the women, everything.
Older men, boys, they were running out of people. When you moved through a town in
Germany, how did the civilians behave?
They were happy to see us.
So they were glad it was over?
Oh yeah. Their towns all destroyed, I don‟t know where they hid from all that shelling and that,
but in front of us, they were glad to see us. But I don‟t know if they really meant to see us or
forced to see us.
You said you got to Dachau, the concentration camp, now, were the inmates still there?
Were the prisoners still there?
Oh yeah, they were giving us their dry moldy bread, kissing our dirty combat boots, so glad.
There were a couple of Polish prisoners I talked to, and they were so happy to see us, they
looked like human skeletons I mean. They used to burn I don‟t know how many thousands of

�people a day out of those incinerators. That black smoke used to come out of them smoke stacks
and the smell of death was something I‟ll never forget.
Now, were the German guards still there or had they gone away?
Most of them had gone away.
And then you got in and you went into Munich. About how long were you in Munich then?
A couple months? (40:29)
Yeah, I would say we were there a couple of months, then we went to a rest area and prepared
for coming back home. That took quite a while.
While you were still in Munich, what duties did you have? What did you do in Munich?
Well, there was not so much to do, the war was practically over I mean, and we were glad to see
what Munich looks like. We know it was bombed out, and that was good enough for us. And a
lot of those German people coming and offered us beer as we marching through you know.
Did they have rules about no fraternizing?
They‟d knock so many points off you if you were caught fraternizing with the frauleins. Oh
yeah, because you had to have 85 points to be discharged and for every infraction you got
caught, you got knocked down on those points.
So, a good way of making men behave. But there wasn’t a lot of work to do or anything,
just kind of spending time there?
Because they had the other outfits that came in after the war had ended, like mop up outfits and
that you know.
So you got actually taken out of your own unit and assigned to another unit to go home?
(42:13)
Yeah, we were assigned to the 103rd Division. Cause the 45th was being sent to the Pacific
because the war wasn‟t over there yet in the Pacific.
They sent you back down to Marseille, France, what was the trip home like?
Glad and before we hit Boston commonwealth pier, they had boats with orchestras while you
listened to the harbor and big bands in the harbor and you know. But when we walked down the
gangplank and we kissed ole‟ mother earth, boy good ole‟ USA.
What kind of ship were you on this time?
Oh, this was a US Frederick [Liese], it was a converted luxury ship into a troop carrier.

�So you didn’t have to go in a liberty ship or anything like that?
No, no, no.
And what was the weather like on the way back?
Not too bad, it got stormy there for a while, we were glad that no German submarines were still
around you know.
Yeah, because you didn’t have to do a convoy anymore.
No, no, no.
When did you get back to the states?
45‟ August, I think it was in August sometimes of 45‟.
Once you landed, what did they do with you?
They sent us to an induction center, then they sent us to a camp in Pennsylvania. Then from
Pennsylvania, we were waiting to get on our trains that was heading to Michigan.
Did they discharge you in Pennsylvania? (44:26)
Yeah, I got my discharge in Pennsylvania.
Alright, and then, when did you get home?
I got home, it was sometimes in October. We got discharged on the 1st of October, and there was
sometimes, I think about the 3rd or so of October that I got home.
So you had to spend a few weeks in the other camps before you got to go home?
No, we went to this one camp, they called it Camp Lucky Strike, that was the camp to go home.
That was back in France.
Yeah.
What kind of reception did you get when you got home? Did your family know you were
coming?
Oh man, we got such a welcome, like big war heroes and that. Oh the hugs and kisses from
people we didn‟t even know you know, American flags waving.

�While you were overseas, how much communication did you have with people at home, do
they write letters to you?
Well, we could write V-letters, and they would get the letter home and it would be in a small
photograph.
Right, the V-Mail.
Yeah the V-Mail.
Did they write to you a lot?
Oh yeah, we were glad when it was mail call, if we didn‟t no mail we forget we were lost. But a
lot of times, while the mail was being brought over they were shot down or bombed out.
So did you have some periods where you go a few weeks before you got a letter? How long
would it be between letters? (46:32)
Oh, quite a while sometimes.
Now, you also mentioned, you went to the Rome Opera House, did you ever get to see a
USO show or anything like that?
We saw Al Jolson, and quite a few other top stars that come visit us with the US, Bob Hope,
yeah, it was quite a few USO people.
Was that after the war was over?
Yeah, yeah. Even at break times when we were in the rest areas the USO would come in there
you know, pass the Frances Langford and that, come around and give us kisses and that you
know.
How would you describe the morale of the company, were the men, you know, in good
spirits most of the time?
Some of them were, and low spirited, most of them were good spirited I mean.
Did you have good leaders?
A couple of them, I could have…but most of the leaders were, our company commander got
killed in one of the battles, Captain Afly, he was from Colorado, he was the greatest captain.
They had a stretcher bearer, who‟s that? that‟s Captain Afly, oh my.
What were the bad ones like, what made somebody a bad officer or a bad sergeant? (48:30)

�Some of them, came from Officer Training School, we called them 90 day Wonders, they
thought they were four star generals. We were all experienced fighters and that; we thought
„who the hell is that?‟ 90 day Wonder.
The smart ones, did they learn from you?
Oh yeah, they learned our ways in a hurry, and they turned out to be pretty good officers.
If you think back a little bit on the time that you spend over in Europe, are there other
particular events or memories that you have, that you haven’t talked about yet?
Oh, when we had that big gathering at Nuremberg, where Hitler started his, his way and that, oh
that was a big outside stadium and that, and thousands of soldiers all reviewing the things we
went through and that.
So, you had a big Army review in Nuremberg, ok, and did you travel around in Germany
otherwise, or just stay in Munich?
No, we didn‟t do much of that. I remember we used to call General Patton, Blood and Guts.
We‟d say, „yeah, his guts and our blood‟.
You were in the 7th Army, he’s 3rd Army so he’s not usually your problem.
Yeah, they got transferred over to the 3rd Army then.
You did work with him for a while. Did that make a difference in terms of how your unit
was used? (50:31)
Some of them had different methods that we didn‟t like. But who were we to argue about four
stars, I mean you know. Shut our mouths or else we‟ll get shoved in a can.
Did you have any impression of General Patch? He was the 7th Army commander.
Yeah, he was a good leader, General Patch. We all liked him, he was better than ole‟ Blood and
Guts.
He took care of the men?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Once you went through all of this stuff, what effect do you think this experience had on
you, did you learn anything over the course of all those years? Did you change a little?
All I said I learned, I‟m glad I‟m still alive, that I made it through ok. And I said, when I ever
get home, I had rifles home and pistols, I said I‟m going to get rid of those things. And I sure

�did, when I got home. I learned a big lesson out of the war. And that‟s what these war-mongers
and that, like today wars going on.
So you weren’t very happy when we invaded Iraq then? When we went in to Iraq and
places like that, you didn’t like that?
No.
War is nasty, war is bad and you saw it first hand. Now, were you able to, kind of go home
and pick up with your life where you left off? (52:21)
We did, we did I mean. It was memories I used to have, nightmares of the war and that, I‟d get
up screaming and that in bed and I thought „oh, I‟m just home, I‟m ok‟, scary as hell. Memories
that you‟ll never forget. That‟s how I feel about these boys going into war today, why, why, why
all this war. Why can‟t the world live in peace. War-mongers, that‟s what I call them, I mean.
Always someone trying to capture, and Hitler, he come pretty close.
But in the end you guys stopped him, alright; well it makes for a very good story so thank
you for taking the time to talk to me today.
Well, thank you, a pleasure.

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                <text>Black and white photograph of a group of people painting dockside along what appears to be the water of Lake Macatawa near Holland, Michigan. Plein air painting in Macatawa, Michigan was a tradition for students attending Ox-Bow "Summer School of Painting" in Saugatuck, Michigan. In the photograph, one woman can be seen painting while seated on the dock while another stands and paints on an easel. The other three individuals can be seen painting while seated along the shore on various rocks and driftwood, while parked cars and boats can be seen in the background. A handwritten note can be seen on the left hand side reading "Mae Naber Van Ark, In shorts and Hotter." Circa October 1958.</text>
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                <text>Michigan</text>
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                <text>Saugatuck (Mich.)</text>
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                <text>Allegan County (Mich.)</text>
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                <text>Kalamazoo River (Mich.)</text>
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                <text>Art school</text>
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                <text>Docks</text>
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                <text>Plein air painting</text>
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                <text>Digital file contributed by Mike Van Ark for the Stories of Summer Project.</text>
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                <text>Stories of Summer (project)</text>
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                <text>&lt;a href="http://rightsstatements.org/vocab/UND/1.0/"&gt;Copyright Undetermined&lt;/a&gt;</text>
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                <text>image/jpeg</text>
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                <text>Grand Valley State University. University Libraries. Lemmen Library and Archives</text>
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